Whatever Happened, Happened
11 months, 2 weeks ago by WillRead more: Kate, Lost Episodes
What a cliffhanger from last week – show of hands from everyone who thinks Ben is dead or is going to die (no hands, crickets chirping, etc.)? There are two lines of thought here – one that Sayid did manage to kill Ben as a child and therefore this spins off into an alternate timeline (far-fetched IMO) and then those that think somehow little Ben survives this mishap and goes on to become the evil genius we have grown to know and love. Ultimately, I fall into the camp that subscribes to the latter of those two scenarios, and further believe that these events have already taken place in Ben’s life, but are now just being realized in the life of the survivors of Flight 815 – hence last week’s episode where big Ben cryptically called Sayid a killer, and then ultimately Sayid delivered that line to little Ben when he shot him.
ABC’s Official Show Description
Spoiler Alert
“Kate goes to extreme measures to save Ben’s life when Jack refuses to help. Meanwhile, Kate begins to tell the truth about the lie in order to protect Aaron”
So, based on the show description this looks to be an episode focused around Kate and she is instrumental in saving Ben’s life. Hopefully we’ll find out what she did with Aaron prior to jumping on Flight 316 and quite possibly what Sawyer whispered to her at the end of Season 5 before he jumped out of the helicopter. This should prove to be quite an intense episode with little Ben’s life hanging in the balance!
Episode preview for Whatever Happened, Happened
Speak Peeks
Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3
Comment 1, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
So, I actually watched the sneak peeks. I am so excited about tonite! It’s crazy. I am still sticking with, this has all happened already:) Ben is going to live. He just has to. I think…..
Comment 2, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Morning Tasha, I watched the sneak peaks too. Now I will be twice as distracted all day.
Comment 3, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
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Yeah I am alreaady on youtube watching the same promo over and over LOL. Anyone here have a Lost myspace page?
Comment 4, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Ladies,
Unfortunately, I can’t see the video here at work, but I’ll assume from your enthusiasm that it’s a good one. 11 and a half hours! Not that I’m counting…
Comment 5, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
From my entry on another blog:
“(Wimpy) Ben is dead; long live the new (cunning) Ben!”
Wimpy and cunning, of course, are not antonyms, but…?
8) Jim
Comment 6, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I am hopeful that more pieces of the puzzle will start to fall into place.
I imagine it is a coincidence (if there is such a thing on LOST!) that the lightbulb hanging behind Kate in the promo photo looks like the head of the man on the cover of the book that BenBoy gave Sayid, but still…
Eleven hours!
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PJSander wrote:
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Don’t mistake coincidence with fate lol.
Comment 8, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
!!!!Give Kate the sugar cube!!!!
Thought lots about the Carlos Castaneda book. I’ve read some of his stuff (its trippy) but not the book that was in last weeks show. He has a lot of stuff related to “finding ones purpose” Cant believe its already lost night-
and no offense Sayid, but I’m glad I can have Kates mug on my screen at work this week. Been looking at Sayid, Ben, Sawyer…too long.
Comment 9, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Why is Kate standing like that in the promo pic? It looks very unnatural!
Can’t wait for tonight! Yay Wednesdays!
Comment 10, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Not really on topic with tonight’s episode, but I am trying to remember what Walt said to Locke when he met him outside his school. Did Walt mention that he had a dream about Locke on the island wearing a suit? And didn’t he mention something about the people around him on the island not liking him? I wonder if Walt still has a big part to play in all of this. The other were clearly afraid of him or at least very concerned when they were keeping him in room #23. I just think that somehow Walt fits back into the storyline somewhere.
Comment 11, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Judging by the title, I guess those who thought they were always apart of Dharma were correct, WHH. Good job.:)
It appears to be a Kate episode and hopefully another FB, the good story-telling, IMO. I too hope we will see what Sawyer “whispered” to her on the chopper and what she did with Aaron.
Comment 12, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Yeah, if they follow the same FB line as they did Sayid, we hopefully will see what happened from the time Kate left the dock til she ended up at Jack’s. My theory is that Aaron is back on the island somehow. Maybe because I am sticking with, I think it was Claire in that scene with Sun and to me it looked like she was holding a baby, so not sure how the baby would fit in but I think it’s a clue! lol. It may just be me seeing that anyway. It’s like when you look at clouds and you see something different than the person standing next to you.
Comment 13, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I happen to like Kate (unlike many others, apparently) and am looking forward to some ANSWERS!
Why did she decide to leave Aaron?
With whom did she leave him?
What was Sawyer’s secret, and did she complete it?
Now that she’s in the DI, is she looking to start off with Sawyer where they left off (in the future!)
9 hours!
Comment 14, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I’m with you, Will. I think Ben has to survive.
If he were to die, then too much of what has happened in Seasons 1-5 would be negated (i.e., would never have happened because adult Ben would never have existed). The show would be even more psychedelic and complicated. For one thing, I think Sayid would no longer know why he even shot Ben.
You never know, though. I’m thinking that underground wheel needs to get turned again eventually, which could turn everything upside down again even if Ben dies.
Comment 15, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
Oh my goodness, I watched them too and I can’t wait for tonight!! I hope we do find out what happened with Aaron, she seemed upset about leaving him…and I hope we find out what she was doing for Sawyer.
It will be interesting to see what happens to little Ben, I mean, if the losties were really there all along as a part of Dharma, then it makes sense that Jack would step in and save him, as some have suggested, because that’s what he did all along…but I guess we’ll find out…
Comment 16, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
In a Darlton podcast, they promised Kate flashbacks this week….get excited, we should be getting some great insights tonight!
Comment 17, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
i am sticking with the idea that Ben had something to do with the disappearance of Aaron and the reason why kate got on the plane. I think Kate might have something to do with saving young Ben…needs him alive if she is ever going to see Aaron again…I agree with many others who said this is possibly a “rebirth” for Ben and why he says he was born on the island when we all know he was not.
-miss
Comment 18, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Matt wrote:
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I agree with everyone on this one. The only other thing I can think of with this and the time loop is if the Losties die or are killed. Reincarnation occurs. Umm…I have more thoughts on this but don’t know how to explain them at the moment.
Comment 19, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Miss lost wrote:
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I really like this Miss lost. I’m really looking forward to getting some answers regarding Aaron, Kate and hopefully finding out what Sawyer whispered. See if it did have something to do with Cassidy and Clementine. It would be cool to have some more FB’s to clear these Q’s up.
Comment 20, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Re: Sawyer’s whisper to Kate. Maybe it has to do with Sawyer’s daughter. I forget, did Sawyer even know that he had a daughter with the woman he conned? Didn’t she and Kate hang around together for a while?
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K.C. wrote:
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Sawyer knows about his daughter Clementine. Kate and Cassidy shared a few scenes together but i don’t think Kate knew who she was.
Comment 22, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Since the fb would actually be something that happened in the future, would we call them ffs instead? :)
Since I have been thinking that all the TT to the past episodes should be seen as fb (if WHH), it really gets complicated – thinking in terms of a linear time line, events are either in the past, present, or future, but if you look at any ONE person’s individual time line, an event from the future may be in THEIR past. Anyway, just saying that the terms “flash forward” and “flash back” may now be moot.
Comment 23, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
(Occasional reader, first time poster. I’ve actually been away from the blog since the blast door map was posted — Long time, eh?)
Ben MUST survive. The show has gone out of its way to show time and time again that you can’t **** with the timeline (unless your name is Daniel Faraday, but I have my own theories about that).
I agree with the speculators from last week’s episode who said that Ben will live and the gunshot wound would be the impetus for the tumor Jack will remove in 2004. In this universe, time does course-correct. We’ve seen it happen before.
Comment 24, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Zarggg wrote:
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So if little Ben doesn’t die with he eventually because the island will want course correction?
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wallyp wrote:
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You should read it. It´s probably the best book of the series.
Comment 26, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
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Sawyer saw a picture of his baby daughter while in jail…he denied it was his…but later when he got the reward money for disclosing the location of the stolen money he had the money set up in an account for his daughter.
-miss
Comment 27, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
Not sure if I understood your wording correctly. Boy!Ben cannot die, because he still has to cause the Purge and all the other things we’ve seen Adult!Ben do.
Comment 28, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
wallyp wrote:
I’m neutral when it comes to Kate, though I used to be more of a fan. Anyway, the way they have her posing, and how she seems to be pokin’ out her bum, makes it look like she has a bright future behind her. ;p
Comment 29, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Zarggg wrote:
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Regarding your earlier quote from above “In this universe, time does course-correct. We’ve seen it happen before” My Q was.. if he doesn’t die now do you think he will eventually because of course correction
Comment 30, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I’m guessing she gave Aaron to Claire’s mom. And wants to save Bens life because he knows or she thinks he knows what happened or where Claire is on the Island. And perhaps she promised to get Claire and Aaron reunited again. I don’t think Aaron is on the island because back in some episode where Kate had a dream and she saw Claire standing over Aaron and she said “Don’t you bring him back Kate, don’t you ever bring him back to the island.” And I don’t think Kate would ever do anything intentionally to put Aaron in harms way (like the island)
I wonder what Sawyer told her? Perhaps yes about his daughter. Some last errand he wanted her to do before he told her to stay with Jack because he knew ultimately she loves Jack. (One can hope right?)
Comment 31, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
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Well, eventually, sure! Like all of us. :) But I think in this case, if WHH, then we know he doesn’t die at least until AFTER the time in which we see him alive in the future. JMO.
Comment 32, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Ha, pushed the “submit” too fast. Your question was about course correction, and what I meant to say was that, in Ben’s case, LIVING would be the course correction, to make sure he makes it to the adult Ben we know and “love”. Again, JMO.
Comment 33, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
At this point I still interpret WHH as ‘things’ are supposed to happen. Not that they ALWAYS happened before….I think. :)
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Zarggg wrote:
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Ben claimed to Hurley the Purge wasn’t his decision.
Comment 35, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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Heidi that reminds me: whatever happened to Desmond’s vision of Claire and Aaron boarding the chopper, that he told Charlie about? Was he lying, or is that yet to come? And if yet to come, could it be Aaron he saw – who would now be a child of at least 3 or 4years old? If Aaron is not YET on the island, I think he MUST still be coming. Remember, he’s “special”!
Comment 36, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Oh…and…WHH also mean that you can’t change major things, like killing someone so that their offspring don’t exist, etc. IMO
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lost4ever wrote:
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He’s a liar!! :)
Comment 38, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Right, that’s what i meant…AFTER, eventually. Not from old age. I guess if he were to die though there would’ve been other instances where he almost did and was “saved”
Comment 39, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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I keep talking about that vision over and over. I wasn’t thinking about it when I said I thought Claire(or whoever it was) was holding a baby. Now it makes more sense to me:) Still, I don’t see why Charlie had to die but I guess it started the beginning of the end lol.
Comment 40, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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He’s a liar!! :)
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He IS. But in that case I don’t think he was, but who knows. I am believing he told Hurley the truth on that matter.
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lost4ever wrote:
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He IS. But in that case I don’t think he was, but who knows. I am believing he told Hurley the truth on that matter.
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Cool.
Comment 42, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Damn, I totally just got an April Fools joke pulled on me at work and I fell for it. Someone came into my office and took my car keys and then moved it to the opposite side of the building. I almost started crying about my car being stolen so they let me in on it while everyone laughed….not cool. ha ha :) Its got me thinking. Do you think they might try to pull one on us during the episode tonight? Not sure what they would be able to do though. I’m going to keep my eyes open for something.
Comment 43, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Rumor has it that tonight’s episode will only have 10 minutes of commercial air time!!!! Yay! Limited commercials!
Comment 44, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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April Fools, right? LOL! Sounds great though!!
Comment 45, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
Rita, you just made me think of something. So, I have always been a subscriber to the Social Construction of reality epistemology (as opposed to the Cartesian version of knowledge acquisition) and have always tried to put LOST into my thoughts.
Your comment above about ff/fb being relative to each character really got me thinking. I haven’t fully developed this yet, but perhaps what we the viewer sees is different each week based on each character’s socially constructed reality.
I know this sounds kind of off topic, but I think the final LOST explanation will depend on whether the producers/writers believe in an objective reality.
Thoughts??
Comment 46, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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So what do you think is supposed to happen tonight? Maybe it works both ways. I read this moning that a guy wrote this novel or poem or something called , A Vision. His view is that reincarnation does not occur within a framework of linear time. Rather, all of a person’s past and future lives are happening at once, in an eternal now moment; and the decisions made in any of these lifetimes influence all of the other lives (and are influenced by them).
I copied and paste that last little bit, hee hee. Point is, I wonder if it’s not just about time travel. The bigger question to me is WHY these people?
Comment 47, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
I don’t remember Desmond having a vision about that? Hmmmm.. When was that? And I don’t recall Aaron being “special” just Walt. Not saying what you said isn’t true I just don’t recall any of it.
Comment 48, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Can you tell me about the vision Des had? Like I said I am totally lost (no pun intended) when it comes to that. And usually I recall things about this show
Comment 49, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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His vision is what made Charlie decide to commit suicide. LOL. ANyway he told Charlie in the episode Greatest Hits that he saw a vision of Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter but the only way that would happen is if Charlie went and flipped a switch and died.
Comment 50, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Oh and I am not sure if that was the episode name but it is close to the end of season 3:)
Comment 51, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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When Des attempted to save Charlie all those times he told him that he had a vision about seeing Claire and Arron get on a helicopter. Now whether he did that as a ruse to get Charlie to sacrificed himself to save everyone (looking glass) else I’m not sure.
Comment 52, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi this is taken from Lostpedia (non cannon)
Desmond has yet another ‘flash.’ In it, he saw Charlie inside a facility of some kind containing a yellow blinking light and a switch, followed by Charlie flipping the switch, turning the light off, and then drowning. This action, according to the flash, resulted in Claire and Aaron boarding a rescue helicopter. At first, Desmond hesitated to tell Charlie this, but later laid it out for him, explaining that Charlie must die if the group hopes to be rescued. (Greatest Hits)
Comment 53, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hmmm. Thanks. Was there more on this? Or did he tell Charlie this and that was it? Did Charlie as questions?
I really enjoyed Lost in the first 2 seasons because I felt it was believe-able. That is why I first starting watching it. But now, its so not. Although I am still addicted to it, I am rather disappointed. I know many friends and family that have stopped because it is getting so unrealistic and complicated. I wonder if I missed something about this, Des telling Charlie this when I was watching it as a hit and a miss when I had my daughter last year. Thanks again
Comment 54, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Not really on topic with tonight’s episode, but I am trying to remember what Walt said to Locke when he met him outside his school. Did Walt mention that he had a dream about Locke on the island wearing a suit? And didn’t he mention something about the people around him on the island not liking him? I wonder if Walt still has a big part to play in all of this. The other were clearly afraid of him or at least very concerned when they were keeping him in room #23. I just think that somehow Walt fits back into the storyline somewhere.
Comment 55, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Jason wrote:
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You’re right, Walt told Locke that he had been having dreams about him. He had one of Locke where he was wearing a suit on the island and was surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him. For sure there is something special about Walt. How they are going to incorporate him back into the show though I’m not sure.
Comment 56, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
Here is the transcript:
CHARLIE: So, you ready to tell me what you saw this morning?
DESMOND: Aye.
CHARLIE: Right. So how’s it happen this time?
[Pause]
CHARLIE: Come on, Des. You can tell me. I can take it.
[Pause]
DESMOND: What I saw, Charlie, was Claire and her baby getting into a helicopter. A helicopter that lifts off–leaves this Island.
CHARLIE: Are you sure?
DESMOND: Aye.
CHARLIE: A rescue helicopter on this beach?
[Desmond nods]
CHARLIE: This Island–that’s what you saw?
[Desmond nods again]
CHARLIE: We’re getting bloody rescued! I thought you were gonna tell me I was gonna die again!
DESMOND: You are, Charlie.
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Desmond did NOT specify Aaron – just “her baby.” When Claire didn’t get on the helicopter with the rest of the O6, Desmond’s “flash” being wrong didn’t bother me TOO much because he’d been wrong before.
After some more thinking, though, I wonder if Desmond’s flash was RIGHT but with the wrong baby? What if Kate or Juliet has a baby, or Claire has another. Maybe Desmond’s FLASH is of what will ultimately be the LAST episode? The helicopter rescue in the final scene?
: ) P
Comment 57, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Jason wrote:
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Wow. Did I already read this? Um, YES I believe that is what Walt said and yes I hope he fits in the storyline somehow. Even if he isn’t what they were looking for, we will hopefully find out what the Others were doing with him. I hope.
Comment 58, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Or maybe Desmond’s flash is what happens the next time around…if things are moving in a loop, if the losties end up back on the island again in 2004 and are somehow rescued, maybe things change and Claire and Aaron really do get off the island? Maybe Des really did see Claire and a baby Aaron leaving?
Comment 59, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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PJSander wrote:
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Jason wrote:
Deja vu. Is there an echo in here? Walt is obviously Special, that was the title of his first FB in Season 1. Regarding the convo, you can either find the episode thread on this blog under “ARCHIVES” at the top or try this link. It is filled with transcripts from the show.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
IMO, the actor that plays Walt seemed to be lacking one major characteristic the last time we saw him, acting ability. I agree he has a part to play but I think his on-screen time will be very limited.
Comment 62, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Agreed. MDK was a CUTE kid and not much was required of him other than to just kind be a kid. To pull off what *Walt* would need to be might take more acting chops than MDK has at this point.
katesFriend wrote:
I didn’t mind seeing Naveen Andrews at the top of the page last week, but I am among those who agree that seeing Evie Lilly is more appealing. I agree that she is standing unnaturally. Kind of looks like she’s got Ben’s baton stuck somewhere it ought not be. LOL.
: ) P
Comment 63, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Agreed, but I think that nevertheless, Walt will be a part of our story yet.
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PJSander wrote:
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Nice, PJ. Aaron is the baby: That’s in our comfort zone. We hear what want to hear.
8) Jim
Comment 65, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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I think Desmond used this “vision” to convince Charlie to carry out the mission of the looking glass station. I do not believe that he actually had the vision that claire and aaron were leaving on a helicopter. The bigger question, to me anyway, pertains to Desmond’s visions. Has he, in fact, had more visions than the ones about Charlie’s death or was him obtaining that ability for the sole purpose of getting Charlie to complete his mission? I lean towards him not having any further visions but am wondering what others think.
Comment 66, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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Duke, I’m not so sure that Desmond was merely manipulating Charlie. He hasn’t shown that much guile to date. He was staight with him about everything else, so unless he had a vision specifically about him seeing Penny – which required Charlie’s sacrifice, then I don’t see it, AND if there was a vision about Penny, we didn’t see it.
If he has had further visions, they haven’t shown us that either, but I am inclined to believe he has not.
Comment 67, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
LINS wrote:
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Duke wrote:
We saw some of Desmond’s visions or flashes, but not all. I believe that not long after the fail-safe key/purple sky event, Desmond tells Hurley about something that Locke said in his speech, when Locke had not yet made that speech. Not sure it that would be considered one of his visions.
In addition to that, there was also his vision of the parachutist – of which I think we saw a snippet. One vision we did NOT see was Claire with a baby in a helicopter. I wonder if that is significant.
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Comment 69, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
LMAO! I did a spit-take on that!
Comment 70, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
The first airing in the US begins in fifteen minutes, so if you want to stay spoiler free, you haven’t much longer! How long until you see it, adapa1?
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Comment 71, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
She was a model before she got into acting. She looks like she is posing for the camera. Her acting resume isn’t really that long.
Comment 72, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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To be honest Tasha, I don’t know what to think. I do wonder if the ‘reincarnation’ van was just a hint that Locke was coming back to life, or if reincarnation is supposed to be part of the story in addition to TT.
Comment 73, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Oh wow I am ready. Just to waste the last couple of minutes here I thought I would type that I am watching the Green Mile right now and just realized that little punk A$$ Percy is Horace! It’s funny when I watch other movies and shows I notice people from LOST and my mind starts getting preoccupied. Which led me to post this. LOL
Comment 74, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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That entire series of photos can, at best, be dwescribed as totally irrelevant to the story. Poor Charlotte, she never did get a chance to put on that party dress!
8) Jim
Comment 75, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
so jealous that so many of you get to watch LOST now…west coaster here…so not for three more hours…but most go dark as not to be tempted to read comments about what was just viewed…hope it is good…sure it will be!
-miss
Comment 76, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Thanks PJSander!!!!! It’s only 6pm over here!!!!! I’m out!!!
Comment 77, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Well it’s good to know that Miles can’t explain WHH any better than we can!
Comment 78, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
LOL. Waiting to disappear cause they don’t exist. That’s what I keep saying lol.
Comment 79, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I don’t know about you guys…but Miles didn’t help me. LOL
Comment 80, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Maybe Ben DOES remember!!!!
Comment 81, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I’m glad they are trying to explain it…but Miles? How the heck does he know?
Comment 82, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Kudos to all those that said Sawyer whispered something about his daughter before jumping out of the chopper.
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Tasha wrote:
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That’s exactly what I think…it’s one of the reasons he always has a plan.
Comment 84, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Me too, I think he has ALWAYS remembered.
Comment 85, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Can someone tell me what the lady who was holding Aaron’s hand walking out of the store said to Kate? My sound cut out during that part for some reason…! I started yelling at the TV and my husband started laughing at me because he says I am too obsessed :) LOL
Comment 86, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Larla wrote:
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Just that she found him LOST and was about to make an announcement – I think her significance was that she looked, hair and build, like Claire.
Comment 87, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Funniest line….Miles….”Hey ask him questions on TT.” ROTFLOL.
Comment 88, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
I thought it was Claire’s Mom at first.
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Rita wrote:
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Thanks Rita!!
Comment 90, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
FREAKING COMMERCIALS!! What happened to limited commercials tonight?? Oh that’s right. I made it up!
Comment 91, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Me too, thought for sure she was ’stealing’ him.
Comment 92, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Kudos to those who thought Mrs. Littleton got Aaron.
Comment 93, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I caught the Charles part, but who was the other person Richard doesn’t answer to, Ellie?
Comment 94, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Okay, so Ben doesn’t remember the past. Which means my theory that Whisperers tell him what’s going on is how he always has a plan in still alive for now.
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lost4ever wrote:
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I thought I heard “Nealy” or something like that.
Comment 96, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Sure is. But he might remember events that happen after Richard takes him into the temple, at least I think it was the temple.
Comment 97, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
It did look like the temple, or at least the part that we saw when Smokey took Montand underneath. I believe D&C referred to it as a part of the temple, an outer wall or something like that.
: ) P
Comment 98, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
So they go and save Ben’s life and the consequence is that he becomes the monster they know.
Comment 99, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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I am not getting this at all. What exactly will he NOT remember? When he comes back around, won’t he still see Sawyer and them again? So he would still know who they are. Hmmm. I am confused. Someone please explain.
Comment 100, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Good point…I think it’s the Temple too. Temple = place of enlightenment.
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Tasha wrote:
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Well, he won’t remember being shot. The LOSTies will likely leave the 70’s before Ben ‘comes back’ to Dharmaville, therefore not remembering them because he will not have met them…again…after his ‘change’. IMO
Comment 102, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
If he really does forget all of this, then Juliet is not the “her” that Harper was referring to.
Comment 103, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Not sure about that. Won’t they have to return to the barrack’s with Lil Ben? Or else how are they going to explain where he is if they return without him? Unless they don’t return.
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katesFriend wrote:
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Good point.
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katesFriend wrote:
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Not sure about that. I think it’s kind of like Men in Black or the Hatian on HEROES. They take his memory, maybe just that incident or everything that preceded that incident. I think he will head back to Dharma with the LOSTies still and remember them but not Sayid. His list from Season 2 is coming together.
Comment 106, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
“Duty Assignments(?):”
High Priest(?): Richard Alpert
Leaders: Charles Widmore and Eloise “Ellie” Hawking
“I don’t answer to them.” – Richard
The Temple isn’t all that close to DHARMAville; how did Richard get there so quickly? Not in terms of the episode period, but in terms of having a bleeding kid in his arms.
8) Jim
Comment 107, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Yes, I heard Richard say Elli and Charles as well.
I hope Horace dies B4 the purge. I cant stand his attitude, or face :)
I also wonder if Terry Oquinn (Locke) is getting paid the same per episode as when he had more than 2-3 lines per week. I wish he had more. he’s getting 2 B as mysterious as Christian.
Comment 108, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Okay, all the new posters are silent again. So I am going to do my Bed Time For Bonzo post now and lurk for a while:
I think that we just saw the entrance for the Temple and Temple is where one becomes enlightened and lose their innocence. The Temple is only for the enlightened ones (Ben said something about the Temple only being for ‘us’.)
I think Ben losing his innocence is enlightenment and ‘knowing the meaning of life’ in a way. He now know the ‘rules’ of fate and destiny. He now knows he has to do certain things and when they will happen and just have to take it.
And he always does just take it…until Keamy killed Alex…then he tried to break the rules. He turned the wheel when it wasn’t his turn, it was Locke’s turn. He changed Miles et al’s time line order. And I think he’s either killed Penny or has at least made an effort to which would be a rule breaker according to his conversation with Widmore.
Comment 109, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
About Richard’s comment re: Ben’s innocence -
This kind of reminds me of various stories where someone sells their soul to the devil for something. Or how if a vampire bites you, you are then always a vampire.
So the question is, what exactly is Ben giving up in exchange for his life? And why do Kate and Sawyer of all people get to make this decision for him? Or will Alpert somehow put Ben to a choice? hmmmm
Comment 110, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
Curiously accurate predictions
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Larla wrote:
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Rita is correct, but at the very end, before she walked away, her mouth moved but no words came out. The closed captioning said “(mouths word)”. I’ll have to go back to see if I can read her lips. I wonder if there is some significance to what she “mouthed”
Comment 112, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I figured it’s based on what Faraday told him.
Comment 113, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
Unless he only forgets things that happened BEFORE Alpert did “whatever” to him? Then he might remember Juliet, who clearly feels some kind of devotion to him at this point. The only nurturing woman in the poor kid’s life – he’s bound to feel something toward her. Perhaps that’s why he recruits her in 2001 – whether or not he knows it *is* her.
: ) P
Comment 114, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Of course Ben thinks he was born on the island. Alpert explains that. We know more about young Ben then old Ben does.
The smoke monster is going to be a huge link here. Going to the temple will make Ben like Roussou’s friends.
Comment 115, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Wow, a bit of a tear jerker tonight, at least the scenes with Kate and Aaron, I wonder if that is really why she came back, to find Claire?
I liked Miles’ explanation to Hurley about TT, it did sound a bit like a lurker reading all our posts, made me laugh! It made sense, however, especially the part about how their timeline is different from little Ben’s, it’s his past but their present.
I am hoping they explain what happens in regards to the Dharma-losties and the purge, and since Widmore and Hawking are still on the island, I hope we see why they left…maybe Alpert saving little Ben has something to do with that.
I’ll have to watch it again, but IMO, it was a great episode!
Comment 116, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Rita wrote:
I thought I heard “Healey” but Ellie makes more sense.
So whatever Richard does to heal Ben will erase his memory of being shot, which was the one hole in Miles’ time travel theory.
BTW, I was loving that conversation between Miles and Hurley. I kept on saying, “This is exactly what we’ve been talking about on the blogs!”
Comment 118, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Jim in Georgia wrote:
Leaders ( plural ), I like it. Although it is not confirmed, I thought so from what Ben told Hurley about the Purge.
So if Ellie is on the island still in 1977, IMO, there are 2 options. Either she is not Faraday’s mother or Faraday was born on the island. I am leaning toward the latter because I think they pretty much told us that she was his mother.
Comment 119, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
So, little Ben freed Sayid so that Sayid could take him to the Others so that he could be with them. Sayid essentially did just that unknowingly didn’t he? (Whether that was the result he wanted or not.)
I don’t really have anything else to add to that, just commenting really.
Comment 120, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Rumblestilskin wrote:
We saw Horace die in the Purge, so he won’t be dying before it. But I agree that he’s annoying.
And I agree Locke is mysterious right now, which reminds me of how he was mysterious in season 1, which I really liked about that character. He became much less interesting in seasons 2 and 3, IMHO, but more interesting again last season as he became more mysterious.
Comment 121, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
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Looked to me like she mouthed…’sure’(after Kate thanked her)…then ? .
The scene was odd and seemed to me like Ben set it up so that Kate would make the ultimate choice to get her butt on the plane.
Comment 122, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
But they had to leave to travel back in time right? I am starting to agree with the theory, WHH. Now if that came from Faraday instead of Miles I would have been sold, because Miles seemed unsure of it.
Comment 123, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hey – what’s with Ben having no eyebrows when he wakes up to find John hovering over him?
Comment 124, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
In the past few weeks people have been wondering, why exactly did they have to go back to the island? Last week we got the answer for Sayid (however ambiguous it was), and this week we got the answer for Kate. But this week we also got a set up for a future explanation for Jack’s reason to go back (“I haven’t figured it out yet”)
I also thought it was interesting that they showed more evidence that Jack has become a man of faith. (even though Kate doesn’t like the new him, or the old him)
When Sawyer showed up to help Kate take Ben to the Others, I thought it was a pretty low blow for him to say “I’m doing it for her”, referring to Juliet.
Comment 125, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Well, presumably, if the O6 didn’t leave the island, they would have experienced all the same flashes Sawyer, Juliet, etc experienced after Ben turned FDW, and the O6 would have wound up in 1974 along with Sawyer, Juliet, etc when Locke turned FDW. I think.
Comment 126, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
I think that Miles DOESN’T really get it. I think that he’s regurgitating what Daniel told him. Plus, he probably picked up a few things from the db’s here and there! *g*
: ) P
Comment 127, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Why? I think it was a message to Kate that she can’t just breeze back into his life and start up where they left off. Not fair to Juliet. Or Sawyer.
I thought this was a great ep for Kate. The goodbye scene with Aaron was heartbreaking. At first I thought she would leave him with Clementine’s mother, since they were friends and she knew everything anyway.
But we still don’t know why Kate changed her mind, decided to give up the ruse, and try to go back and find Claire? What caused that decision?
Comment 128, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Ben wrote:
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So minus one of Ben’s lies so far. LOL. (If that is how it plays out.)
Comment 129, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
LostGrrl wrote:
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And that little “huh” that both of them said at the end of the convo. That’s what I say out loud whenever someone throws a theory out there that is different than mine. I am like “huh. Didn’t think about that.” Then the wheels start turning again lol.
Comment 130, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
ManchesterBloke wrote:
yeah… but not so hard when you read Doctor Jeff Jensens’ interview with E. Lillie from earlier this week.. doh!
Comment 131, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Comment 132, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Sawyer is Sawyer and I thought Cassidy explained that fairly well. He abandoned his child not once but twice, IMO.
Comment 133, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
LostGrrl wrote:
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Well I agree that it’s wrong for Kate to try to do that. But I just thought the way Sawyer threw it out there, “I’m doing it for her” was a little harsh, given how obvious it is the Kate’s a bit jealous of the situation. He could have broken it to her more gently. But then again, this is Sawyer we’re talking about.
Comment 134, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Sawyer is Sawyer and I thought Cassidy explained that fairly well. He abandoned his child not once but twice, IMO.
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Good point. So 316 is a course-correction? For them to return to the place they were never supposed to leave.
Comment 135, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I have a question similar to Lost4ever’s last one. Other than the assertions from Ben and Locke, do we know why the O6 were not supposed to leave the island in the first place? One of the things I’m having the most trouble with is the premise that they have to go back to do (fill in the blank) because they were never supposed to leave. Well what was so wrong with them leaving? Why would that throw the timeline off if it was done in “present” time? Apologies if this is canon-esque at this point and I’ve just missed it — i’m new to the site. :)
Comment 136, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Roadtrip wrote:
No need to apologize – this hasn’t been answered yet. Hopefully it will be answered this season, and hopefully there will be a good explanation to it all.
Comment 138, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Think it was a great episode. Finally see Kate in fine form, and her motivation. Actually teared up myself when she was leaving Aaron. But,..now what’s left for her? Not Jack, not Sawyer, not Aaron..?
Comment 139, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Theory check please…
Danielle didn’t seem to remember Jin. Possible that she ended up in the Temple mind eraser? It still bugs me that she was able to live on the island so long without having trouble with the Others. She always seemed to know when to avoid trouble (enlightened?) until the rule breakers (Team Keamy) killed her and Alex.
Maybe we will see how it is that Ben gets Alex. Maybe she ends up in the Temple and she gets a deal that allows her to live, but in ‘exile’. Maybe for killing her group…give up the kid and we’ll let you live…and stay the hell away from us.
Comment 140, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
LostGrrl wrote:
I thought she explained that to Cassidy. I am not sure if I believe she was going back to find Claire. She may now be on that path because Sawyer just set her straight ( sorry Skater’s ), but I think she was going back for Sawyer, originally. I think she just told Grandma Claire that she was going back for Claire to justify leaving Aaron with her.
“Hey I’m leaving this kid with you that I lied to the world about to go find your daughter” sounds better than “Hey I’m leaving this kid with you to chase the man I THINK I am in love with”.
Comment 141, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Kate off island…when was all that taking place? I mean I figure the Clementine scene was shortly after they got back because Aaron was still a baby, but it seemed like she visited Claire’s mom during the day? Gotta rewatch that…timing seems off.
Anyway, I think they were supposed to leave, in order to come back and have the effect that they’ve had and will have in Dharam. None of them knew that they would have this effect, but it is what has always happened.
To me, we are watching how this whole series plays out in a disjointed fashion, which is great for entertainment but we will ultimately not witness any “game changing” events, rather, “oh, that’s why he/she does this or that.”
So I’m now thinking Widmore wanted to exploit the island, and that’s why he got banned, which unfortunately is a blow to Team Widmore. Probably, neither Ben or Widmore is on the “right” side, bcuz Ben got corrupted with his power as well. I’m still holding out hope for Widmore though.
Comment 142, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Not sure about the timing.
It seemed to me that Kate stopped at the grocery store on the way ‘home’ from the docks. This should have been the same time that Sun, Jack, Desmond and Ben arrived at the church and first went in to see Mrs. Hawking.
But she goes to see Cassidy during the DAYTIME, so it had to be the next day and then later she checks into the same motel as Carole and drops Aaron off.
Btw, it does NOT sit well with me that she left Aaron sleeping alone in the motel room, even if it was two doors down. After nearly losing him at the grocery store, she wouldn’t have wanted to let him out of her sight – especially if she knew she was “giving him away” shortly. I realize it was probably a kid-actor-time-limit thing, but that kind of thing really BUGS me!
: ) P
Comment 143, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Whenhe said her, I thought he was talking about his daughter. Didn’t someone say that the viewer’s may have their own interpretations sometimes? LOL. I feel dumb!
Comment 144, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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When he said her, I thought he was talking about his daughter. Didn’t someone say that the viewer’s may have their own interpretations sometimes? LOL. I feel dumb!
Comment 145, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Haha, Tasha that was my initial thought as well.
Comment 146, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
That’s my thought as well. Miles doesn’t have the whole story. Only Faraday does (at least, according to my theory, which probably isn’t right :P).
Comment 147, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Conceded. :)
Comment 148, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Off topic, perhaps, but –
After the purge, why does Dharma headquarters keep sending food? Do they not know the purge happened?
Are we to believe that the food shipments were so completely automated that they would just continue forever and ever? Unlikely.
Whoever is sending the food, has to have a pendulum thingy, since the island is always moving.
Anyway. I can put it all in the suspension of reality category, but I haven’t.
Comment 150, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
(I meant to respond to this as well; sorry about the double-post.)
RGS wrote:
Correct. I originally thought this group going back to 1977 was course-correction, but then I remembered the Photograph showing the gang in the 1977 DHARMA photo.
RGS wrote:
It’s actually been quite easy for me to keep the flash-backs/-forwards straight; I just look at the show as having four time periods: 2004, 2007, “Timef***kery” ;), and now 1977.
Comment 151, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
watching now>>>>>
I fucking HATE this episode!!!! and am happy to explain why in about ten minutes
Comment 152, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I think the purpose was to use the same line Jack used when he told Kate “I did it for you” when she asked hime why he saved “older” Ben. This would keep the love quadrilateral going. Something I hope they do not spend too much time on.
Comment 153, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Right. That’s why, even though the episode was called WHH, and Miles and Hurley finally added some humor to the season with their dialogue, I am still not sure if EVERYTHING always happened. I mean if it did always happen I think it would make the show unLOSTlike, like you said.
Comment 154, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I was referring to the scene between Cassidy and Kate in the beginning.
Comment 155, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
Can you do it without the vulgarity? :)
Comment 156, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Miles stated if they were to die in the past it wouldn’t matter and they would still be alive in the future. However, if you were to die in the present you would then be dead for good. Wouldn’t this contradict Locke now being alive? He died in present time and came back to life. Help??
Comment 157, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
First of all, I just want to say that Miles is hilarious and he needs more air time and the look on Ben’s face when he saw Locke sitting their alive was priceless.
On to business; I think what Miles explained is pretty much where the writers are going with time travel but he just doesnt know everything about it, only Faraday does. The WHH theory makes perfect sense to me but is still hard to explain; the only way i can is that they are expieriencing this for the first time but every choice they make they have always made because that is what always happened.
Also, I thought it was cool to see Richard take charge and basically say screw the leaders they do not control me…which is always true really because Ben never really had control of him which makes him more of a mystery.
P.S. Great epidsode and next week is going to be even better!
Comment 158, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
ok…
#1. You classy bloggers are being far too kind about this………. This episode sucked and you all know it!! in fact….it was sooooo Bad I had a hard time paying attention because was trying to ignore my disgust and nausea long enough to make through the episode without posting on here lol!! I mean where else can I vent and assume all hte listeners are(at the bare minimun)just as smart as me…. Shit we lost all of the mentally challenged fans at the seasons premier!! ;-) Yet…I know from reading your posts that your patience as a collectitive. Is tronger than my own
Comment 159, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
why do u think it sucked so bad
Comment 160, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
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I actually loved the episode, minus the commercials. What exactly are you upset about?
Comment 161, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Passenger 8 wrote:
He was very confusing…we need Faraday.:) I think he meant if they died in 1977, which is THE past but also THEIR present. It would not affect them in the future growing up off the island.
Let’s look at Miles. He has one timeline. The OLDEST point in his life is when we saw him today, in 1977 on the island, which is also his present living in the past. Now I’m confused again.:)
Comment 162, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
excellent episode
I can’t believe this is Kate’s first real acting role so good in the Aaron scenes.
Does anybody else think that Richard and Sawyer have some sort of deal going on between them. I mean Sawyer did not hesitate in taking ben to him etc…
Comment 163, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Right! You see my issues now? I know what I want to say and while I am trying to type I forget what it is I am thinking or something. Doesn’t it seem like time is going backwards for some and forward for others? LOL
Comment 164, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Detective Skywalker wrote:
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Well RIchard knows Sawyer knows the ULMIGHTY LEADER….John Locke!
Comment 165, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
ALMIGHTY!
Comment 166, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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At first I thought the Miles attempted explaination was to help the viewers understand TT. Now I am starting to believe the writers are having some fun and tyring to confuse us even more.
Comment 167, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
(Lost4ever, please excuse my curse words, I know the stigma. But I’m actually a writer and nothing has the power of a four letter words. So i respectfully apoligise to you and everyone who cares. I curse to my mom and my boss…just in an enthusiastic and respectable way. Like ” I just fucking LOVE reading you posts Lost4ever!!!)
……partly because you have the patience to still care about Grammer and spelling and other skills that waste our time just as much as this crap episode.
what ever happened happened because Writers fucked up and let it!!
I call FILLER!!!!
almost as bad as the double death by spider poison we all want to pretend never happened. ;-)
#2 I just don’t care about Kate at all anymore. Actually I couldn’t care less about aaron and jack either. Why when I still have the incident,jacob, john, and the series finale to think about so I can tell you all ‘i told you so’ and then take your money you shouldn’t have bet.
#3. All this filler did was make Future episodes extremly predictable now.
Comment 168, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Why didn’t Kate and Sawyer take Ben and head back to the Dharmas when Alpert said all he did–ie…Ben is going to become THE Ben they all know after we heal him. They didn’t even take any time to think about it. Hmmm, let’s see..lose his innocence, always be one of us….
Comment 169, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
oh, and btw u may also know me as “gmta leah”
Comment 170, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
- Can someone tell me how many more episodes left in this season,thx.
- last 2 episodes were more filler than substance IMO.
- “Ellie” when young is the cute blonde chick with alpert during the “jughead” episode and obviously has a romance with young widmore to produce dan faraday on island,thoughts?
Comment 171, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
TT is very simple. Miles was clear.
It is relative. Everyone is traveling within his/her own internal time frame of reference. Within that frame YOU only move in one direction – forward.
Despite this your forward-moving travel can go to different places with the time-space continuum, but you still travel forward. (Even as you move to places perhaps earlier in time.
The simple way to think of it is: You travel on a one dimensional path (a line) that is allowed to curve all over a two-dimensional time space (a plane — not that kind of plane).
So you can do what WE do all the time, which is just go straight, or your path can curve around on that flat plane, and take you to other times, but in your internal reference, your own time (your watch) will continue to move forward.
So, you CAN die, wherever you are because that is the NOW, CURRENT you — your future hasn’t happened yet, so no paradox for you dying. Your death in 1977 happens AFTER your getting on an airplane in 2008 (as far as you frame of reference is concerned). The 1977 people you meet CAN’T die (if they are still alive later) because the 1977 them is relativistically earlier.
This is all very clear to me, but I think I lack the vocabulary to say it simpler. A blackboard would help.
I can go on and on but I feel like I am going in circles, and nobody reads my posts anyway. (extrapolating from my n of 2)
Comment 172, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
slug dog
I think the others kept dropping the food for desmond bcuz they knew that button needed to be pushed by someone and they didn’t want to do it themselves
Comment 173, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I too am confused about why Jack and company had to come back to the island? I thought that the bad thing that happened upon the O6 leaving was all the time flashes. I thought that John was supposed to leave and bring them back in order to fix everything (I thought that to mean that it would stop the time flashes). Sawyer told his group that they would wait for the O6 to come back for as long as it took. Jin has been combing the island for the past three years looking for them to show up, and when they do return, it seems to be for nothing. Juliet tells Jack tonight that they didn’t need to be saved. Sawyer acts like they are all a nuisance and getting in the way of the good life he has built himself with Dharma. It just doesn’t make sense to me. What was all that stuff about “we were never supposed to leave”? “We have to go back”? Why was Sawyer willing to wait for as long as it took for them to come back, when he seems to not care now that they’re back? What has the return of the O6 fixed? Please, can someone help me?
Comment 174, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
exactly shawdow.exactly.
its like the “where did jack get his tatoo” angle,a massive waste of time.Like the Brazilian diamond thieves,its what you do when u jumped the shark long ago when the show had no fixed end date,filler.
Comment 175, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Hammer, Re: Post 139, has an outstanding point. Rousseau should remember Jin and she probably doesn’t because her mind’s been wiped out in the same way that Alpert describes is about to happen to Ben. I like that theory.
Re: Detective Skywalker’s post (#162), remember when Sawyer first gets to Dharmaville and Alpert shows up because the Truce was violated (when Amy’s husband died)? Sawyer goes out and talks to him and calms the situation down–they pretty much reached an understanding.
Re: Poopy Pants in Post #170, I think Ellie is Widmore’s sister rather than lover, and I say that because when we saw them in “Jughead”, he treats her the way an older sibling would, as opposed to a love interest. Although I suppose it’s possible he could’ve just treated her like that to hide feelings for her, you know, like teenagers that can’t face their feelings and instead actually spew insults rather than words of affection. But I’m going for the siblings theory.
Comment 177, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I think albert will heal ben by using the TT device in the temple. His warning about The omen kid never being the same I think is the evidence of that. But I have a feeling we won’t see exactly how ben is saved in the temple til the season finale(they might flash that with the incident), or next season. even though I feel the show’s theme is now cleary related to purgatory ( meaning free will, sins, judgement, right and wrong, and the cell one is forced to discover the parameters and reason for being in.
Last week I had a new theory on john having jacobs consciousness….that was sent to the future either by will or accident. I now think that theory does have real merit by alpert words tonight. OH! and after the dropped the book famous about experinments with consciousnes makes it even more probable. I ‘m pretty sure all of the other books where gathered around the same slaughterhouse theme, and this last book just doesn’t fit in. I mean lets not forget that Richard Alpert (the real Person) is the most import figure in american culture about LSD. More importanly He wrote the greatest book to ever pick up if you Were having a mind altering experience at that very time…the book was litterally made for you…and for that. No coicidence is the nod to him by the character who doesn’t age with he same name. Shit he was Timothy leary’s best friend…. and in no way as popular.
Apert takes him to the temple and uses the tt device to ‘unstick’ the omen kids conscouness form time and body, and stick it into another?
adult ben possibly? That would make my fellow lost fanatics clone theory true ( she’s been mumbling this forever) This explains why Ben is like jesus and has a blank life story until he’s an adult. maybe when unsticking the mind you see a glimspe of the future(sense your out of time) Ben sees the end game result of the numbers and is never the same afterwards. He becomes the asshole we’ve come to hate by trying to stop it. A collective effort by ben,alpert,eloise,widmore to change the future. eloise and widmore school faraday as a phycist to help…but have a disagreement on what should be done, or what can be done to change the timeline/endgame.
Anyone ever heard of Remote Viewing? It was basically an astral traveling program our shady governmant funded at Stanford in the 70’s. Teaching student to control their consciousnes enough to leave the body, retrieve information, and be able to retain that info on reintering the body. If the writers know about the philadephia experiment(surely they do), and the dahli lama reincarnation test, enough to use as well as they have; i don’t think using remote viewing for a method of TT is so crazy.
It happend to desmond more than once
Comment 178, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Poopy Pant, Shadow, and lostjunkie:
I couldn’t agree more!!!!
and I was lucky enough to have forgotten about that retarded waste of time/filler we watched explaining his tatto. I guess i count three 100% pure filler episodes now. i can only come up with the dual death by spider poison, and this ‘please pay attention to kate again crap’
It’s bad enough love googles are so blurred i choose to over look the fucking extra survivors they always use when they need a scene to waste our time but can’t can’t give that csi dialogue to a character we actually give a shit about. which is THE main point all the lost ex-fans share. Remember? that’s when Heroes first started and they all defected to that show. i feel I was attracted to this show in a fatal way. It’s like i see the filler…and i know the probable ending well. But i’ll still watch it…we all will. Tv always recycle the good stuff to use to hide all the crappy ones. and Lost Is the king of reclycling ALL of the best ideas. When the sex is that good ladies and gentlemen, I can’t help but think of Basic Instinct and how I’ll get stabbed in the end
Comment 179, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
whomever chose to use my name for this quote is an asshole, but a funny one. hahahahaha
i get it…and you can poke fun at me all you want. But using my handle to as point the finger at me WHILE throwing stones at GMTa Leah is just wrong in any timeline. ANd EXTREMELY disrespectfull. We don’t need anymore drama on this site. So PLEASE!!! Continue to your shit talking to me always…I can take it! I like a challege/lets keep it fair though.
Comment 180, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
slugdoc wrote:
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maybe the dharma food drops actually stopped but didn’t seem that way becaus of the button and the 108 second time loop controlling it at that time? I mean it sounds good.
and again I’d like to bow and give every one on here an apology for my crappy spelling(ADHD will do that) and vulgar language. the thought of us using this site next year to explain how lame we all feel wasting ALL these
hours for a show that took advantage of intelligence level and inner geekdom. I had my own flash tonight and didn’t like what i saw. It was a giant spider!!!!! the same fromthe movie ‘IT’ !!!! lol
Comment 181, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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I love you both for this. sounds like the truth to me. Could that be why the episode dragged on like that? Just take make sure ALL the viewers grasp the only point important in this episode. have the character developed the least explain the most important aspect on TT. kinda like showing a movie trailer a whole year before it comes out. something doesn’t suck as much if one is prepared for it.
So our lesson this evening is WHH LITTERALLY.
not a clue showing us all the books with similar themes. NO….the had MIles Completely break it down for us so there’s no room for error when they explain how Ben is ‘good’ and was being tested. They are going to do a lot of this so we won’t be pissed in the end.
IF WHH is a tt fact, then the only solution i see to stop end game is to create that 108 second loop to never reach it. The 815 crash is the course correcting AND the end of the loop. Maybe the phrase ‘they should’ve never left’ is refering to them leaving the island right AFTER the purge and in the 108 loop and then coming back again in 815.
Maybe if you die in the past your consciousness goes the day when you where born and reboots? Maybe you can only die if your future self is already dead too? your thoughts?
Because right now…. we have enough to guess the sentence…..but they need us to keep buy vowels
Comment 182, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
When Alpert appeared, Sawyer asked where did you come from. Alpert said “You asked my people to get me so here I am”. But how did he really know they needed him? I don’t think any of the crew that were with Kate and Sawyer actually went ahead withouth them, otherwise Sawyer would have put 2 + 2 together. Something fishy – time travel? Whisperers letting Alpert know?
Comment 183, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That’s a great thought right there and very possible, in my opinion.
Comment 184, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
slugdoc wrote:
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I do.
Comment 185, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
slugdoc wrote:
Actually, Miles wasn’t nearly as clear as you were! Thank you. It goes back to something we discussed a few weeks ago. Time for *us* is linear. Our own personal “time” goes forward chronologically to *us* no matter where in the “world’s time” we are.
Daniel explained it to Miles who explained it to Hurley (while we over heard and then you explained it [better] to me). I’m good with TT until someone else asks a question that hasn’t been addressed within these confines! LOL
: ) P
Comment 186, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1… I think you’ve used up enough space in this week’s blog. Save up your bile for next week or you’ll run out.
Or should I say… you’ll fucking run out.
Comment 187, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Kinda sounds like some of the reincarnation views I read up on. I read your posts. Don’t feel bad, I feel the same way sometimes.
Comment 188, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Detective Skywalker wrote:
I thought the exact thing when watching the goodbye scene. Evangeline is a good cryer, especially for such a new actress.
And yes, I think Richard and Sawyer established a trust when Richard came through the sonic fence and visited Dharma and Sawyer confronted him. Sawyer knows Richard would take care of Ben.
Comment 189, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I’ve been thinking about Jack, who is one of the charachers who has done a 180. For most of the series he’s been the man of reason. The hero — swooping in to save the day… find the water… get the survivors to the cave… get off the island… get back to the island to save his friends.
Now that he’s trying out the man of faith idea, he seems like a dead fish, waiting for something to happen instead of making it happen. Perhaps he will have a crisis of conscience when he re-thinks the idea not to operate on Little Ben? It’s something the (old) Sawyer would have done.
Comment 190, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
LostGrrl wrote:
I think you’re on to something here… Perhaps Jack decided to accept all Locke’s destiny/island/faith talk since his science/mainland/reason wasn’t working for him. But like some people of faith, he’s waiting to be told what to do rather than just trying to be the best he can be until the island gives him a sign.
I also feel like Jack is a broken man in another way. Before the island, he wasn’t in a good place, drunk dad died, broken marriage, his career was all he had. On the island, as you say, he was the hero OVER and OVER, even when he didn’t want to be – that was his PURPOSE in life. He returns to the real world and has no purpose, starts the drugs and downward spiral. Returning to the island was his chance to return to a PURPOSE. Only now, Sawyer’s the defacto hero and he thinks he has to wait to learn his new purpose.
: ) P
Comment 191, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
As we saw what happened to Aaron in the episode, makes me wonder why did Kate go running off to Jack later that night? And sleep with him? Was it because she needed some sort of comfort at the time, regardless if it was from Jack. Meaning did she really want it to be Sawyer? Does she still care for Jack? Do you think she wanted to deliberately get pregnant because she was so upset about Aaron?
I saw in a Jimmy Kimmell interview where he talked to Evangeline Lilly directly about the part where she goes to Jack and if she is pregnant.
Comment 192, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I like the new Jack. Looks like Jack. Talks like John.
I posted my thought a few weeks ago regarding what is the point for Jack now that his friends don’t need saving. I see the point coming now. I think Jack will save his friends from a situation that has not presented itself yet. So just be patient.
I like the new Sawyer. He is growing up.
Comment 193, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
LostGrrl wrote:
After Kate talked to Cassidy, she started to feel guilty about taking Aaron. She realized she did it out of selfishness. She needs to reunite Aaron with Claire to make up for this.
Comment 194, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
slugdoc wrote:
Widmore or Hawking for reasons as of yet unknown.
Comment 195, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
So this comes from my son who is innocent and who hears things differently than I do. Instead of looking deep into what Miles said, maybe what he said is just strait forward and there is nothing to figure out. The past cannot be changed. But this isn’t the past. This is the NOW. The past has already happened for everyone including Ben. Time has now changed. This might not necessarily been the way it was the first time around in 1977. But it is now. It’s not that they are changing anything that happened in 1977, it’s that they are reliving 1977. Doesn’t necessarily mean this is the exact way it happened before but it is the way it is happeneing now. The episode should be named. “Whatever happens, happens.”
Ok, after reading that, maybe not. I know I amke no sense but don’t know how to put it:( I am going to hit submit anyway lol.
Comment 196, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
slugdoc wrote:
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I agree.
About the TT explaination… Not about no one reading your posts :)
Comment 197, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
I am not quite sure how you can call this episode “filler content”. Did we not want to know what Sawyer said to Kate on the chopper? Did we not want to know what Kate did with Aaron? Did we not want to know why Kate went back? Sure, the answers to these questions weren’t the most exciting, but they were answers that we would have been upset had they not been addressed. Therefore, I am in disagreement that this is filler content. To me, filler content is that which we could easily get by without knowing, and last night’s episode was NOT that. Oh yeah, and did we not want to know how Ben was saved and ended up as an Other? No matter how well your ‘Grammer’ be, I don’t understand your hyperactive rants. I think you’re jealous.
Comment 198, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Before reading the comments I want to explain why I think this episode exemplified how great LOST has always been. This episode filled in so many blanks it was ridiculous. What happened to Aaron answered. What did Sawyer ask Kate to do answered. Althought these two items were fairly predictable it was still exciting to get the confirmation on these two highly debated questions. The greatest thing, to me, because I already thought the Aaron and Sawyer questions were predictable, was Hurley and Miles. Hurley was essentially playing the role of us. The LOST fans. He asked every question that we all had been pondering from the beginning of this season and Miles answered most of them. When it came down to the BIG question Hurley asked about the time travelling paradox we get the always mysterious Richard to sum it up very nicely. He stated that he would help poor little Ben but that Ben would not remember it. Great stuff.
While watching the Hurley/Miles back and forth I literally laughed out loud as visions went passing through my brain. I imagined Hurley being all the LOST fans and Hammer playing the role of Miles getting upset because no one could understand the what happened happened scenerio and then finally being stumped and sorta throwing his hands in the air and stomping away when he had no explanation. Funny stuff, very funny stuff.
Comment 199, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Shadow wrote:
Patience, young one. I think we are building up to something that will be revealed. Sawyer did buy into what John had been telling him. Sawyer followed John and believed him when he said he would bring them back. He even got confirmation, (in a way) from his first talk with ‘74 Richard, that John either is or will be the leader of the Others. Sawyer feels responsible for the rest of the group that stayed, and is dealing with new situations as best as he can. Plus — he’s gotta think about all of this stuff for a while — read a book and figure out how to make everything right tomorrow.
Comment 200, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
Comment 201, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Let me also explain the greatest moment for me in this episode. The scene where Richard takes young Ben and the other mentions Ellie and Charles not being too happy about what he is doing. This was the most interesting because I have yet to buy into Ellie being Daniel’s mother. Let me explain. Daniel’s history in the show has dated back to 1996 when Desmond met him as a professor at Oxford. If Ellie is on the island in 1977 and based on the others mention of her I assume that she was actively involved at that time, then Daniel had to have been born before that time. There is NO WAY that he is only 19 years old at Oxford in 1996. If he was born on the island then he would have presumably started having nosebleeds before Charlotte and Miles which if my memory is correct he never got or got them way after both of these characters got theirs. Granted we do not know if the others had a way off the island at this point in time which, I have to believe, to support my theory. If anyone has knowledge of them being able to leave the island in the 1970’s or before then you can feel free to blow my theory out of the water. Maybe I am wrong and I am open to be proven that way but up to this point the only Knowledge we have that Eloise is Daniel’s mother was from the crawl at the bottom of the screen in the enhanced version of the episodes. Also on the podcast Darlton said something about Ellie being 16-17 years of age in the 1954 episode. which would make her about 40 years old in 1977. The math just doesn’t add up to me.
Comment 202, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
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Dude — disrespectful is continuing with the cursing after you’ve been asked kindly to stop. If you can’t help it, don’t blog!
Comment 203, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Jason wrote:
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I’m not buying this one. I think if Danielle had been enlightened she would not continue to refer to her group as getting “sick”. This chick kept to herself in a big way, figuritively and literally — for 16 years. She may or may not have remembered Jin, but either way it would have been extremely out of character for her to go, “Oh my god! I know you! My team found you floating in the water, I saw you disappear, then I tried to shoot you!”. Just think of all the stange crap she had seen during her island tour. Seeing Jin in 2004 was just par for the course from her perspective.
Comment 204, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
Well, we did see Richard visit Locke in 1956, so why wouldn’t Ellie or Widmore be able to leave?
And regarding that whole convo, who is to say either of them were currently on the island.
Comment 205, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Widmore didn’t want to exploit the island. He and Eloise (Ellie) Hawking were married, Ellie got pregnant with twins (Penny and Daniel F.), the island wasn’t letting children be born, and so Widmore and Eloise try to defy the island by leaving it to have their children–all this taken from the Dan Brown playbook. :)
Comment 206, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
Although I do agree that a little patience is warranted, I really did have an issue with Juliette acting like she did. “We didn’t need saving?” Yeah, you did as far as anyone outside that island would know…you were skipping through time and having nose bleeds, dropping like flies, and Locke said in order to save you he’d have to bring back the other folks…that was the last transmission you got as he lowered himself into the belly of the beast. Why would she assume that they would know they were ok?
Comment 207, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
First time commenter.
What I really liked was the idea that Jack wouldn’t help Ben, which makes it appear that Ben is goner. But in reality, Jack’s refusal to help is what necessitates Kate taking him to Richard and setting up his alliance with the Others. What if Jack had stepped in to save Ben? I suppose there would have to have been a course correction to ultimately get Ben to the Others anyway.
Comment 208, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Ok maybe Ben won’t remember after Richard gets done with him. Roger will though as should the other Dharma folk. Roger seemed geniunely concerned about Ben and regretful about his treatment of him. Sometimes it takes a life altering event for someone to change, say like your kid almost dying from a gunshot wound, perhaps. This at first viewing seemed to be a catalyst for Roger to change how he treated young Benjamin but we already know that he continues being an asshole to him. What gives? Also, nobody ever mentions to Ben that when he was say 14 he was shot in the chest by a hostile? Most of this doesn’t make sense. That is just like LOST. GIve me a better understanding of something (time travel) and also at the same time screw with my mind about something else.
One last thing for know and to my surprise nobody has commented about the gunshot wound. In all the screen caps from last weeks episode it appearred that the hole in his chest was on his left side either directly in his heart area or somewhere close but this week it appears that the wound is on the right side of poor little Benjamin’s chest. Someone please correct me because it would be a major disappointment if the would had been moved to help explain his survival.
Comment 209, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Why would they be mentioned as not being happy about richard’s actions if they weren’t on the island. Widmore did say he was leader for thirty years and 1977 would have been 23 from the 1954 date. Presumably the leader needs to be on the island to lead. Yes we did see Richard visit Locke in 1956 but I take this as him being somewhat special given the fact that he hasn’t aged in fifty some odd years. We have no evidence of anyone leaving the island except for Richard then. There you happy now?
Comment 210, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Dude it doesn’t say anything in the “rules” about using curse words. It is disrespectful to me for you to tell someone to stop blogging if they can’t help not cussing. Some people use curse words to help explain their anger/frustrations/joy/excitement it is somewhat commen amongst various groups in today’s society. I am sure you watch movies or listen to music with curse words in them. Do not be a hypocrite because you do not agree. It is my understanding that this blog is here to give people a chance to discuss and argue about their views of the greates television series of all-time give the guy a break for not expressing him/herself the way you would prefer. The write to free speech still applys or did Obama do away with that as well. ROTFLMAO.
Comment 211, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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When did he say he had been the leader for 30 years? I think I would have remembered that. I might be wrong though.
Comment 212, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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Must be more about maturity. It’s more on the lines of self control. Would you go into a church and start talking like that? It’s one thing to say it here and there but to do it continuisly after knowing it is offending some people IS disrespectful. But whatever…..
Comment 213, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I have found this LA times blog to be very helpful in my LOST experience. Here’s a small excerpt and the link I hope y’all find it helpful/interesting…
“Luckily, we have a major deus ex machina — and I’m beginning to suspect he’s a real deus, if you know what I mean — in Richard Alpert. So we learned that Richard was able to use his mumbo jumbo to save Ben’s life but simultaneously cause him to forget Sayid and become the scheming weasel we all know and love today. Genius! Thanks, Richard!
Yes, it seems convenient, and a little too much of the dialogue in “What Happened, Happened” felt like it was being explained right at us instead of existing in the make-believe world we’ve grown obsessed with, but no matter. Nestor Carbonell, who plays Alpert, is a damn compelling actor and the lighting, sinister music and his intense stare sold the moment. Who would ever have guessed that Hurley and Kate were the two who helped make Ben who he is now.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/lost/
Comment 214, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
As much as I agree this was a filler ep, I will take as much Kate filler as they are willing to dish out.
Comment 215, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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He said it to John when he arrived in Tunisia with the doctor to set John’s broken leg.
Comment 216, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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So you are mature if you do not cuss? I did not realize that we are here to pray at the LOST church. I do not really have a dog in this fight. I just get upset when some try to stiffle other peoples ways of expressing themselves. I try not to use the old curse words very ofetn because I try not to offend others but some people do not have that filter and I do not judge them harsley for it as some people on here do. I was not trying to “take” sides just giving the other side of the argument.
Comment 217, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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I don’t think he did…I take that back…I KNOW he didn’t.
Comment 218, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Two more things……..for now. Who goes to a big grocery store to get their kid some milk for the car ride home? Do they not have convenient stores in the neighborhood?
Also not previously mentioned but the song Kate was singing to Aaron. Was it the song Claire asked the potential adoptive parents to sing to him if they were granted the adoption? I think that maybe it was but am sure someone will know for sure. If it was it is just another example of why this show is sooooooooooo freakin great.
Comment 219, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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Clam down guy. Just because I watch movies with cursing and then ask for someone not to curse after being asked not to on this blog does not make me a hypocrite. Using a curse word in an appropriate context is generally considered acceptable. However, gratuitous use of curse words only shows a lack of grammatical skill in expressing oneself. It’s sad to see someone who is so unintelligent they must use curse words to communicate in every post. Furthermore, when politely asked to keep it to an appropriate context and to not respond politely is inconsiderate, selfish, and rude. Grow up and learn to play nice. You’re not in kindergarten anymore.
Comment 220, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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He most certainly did say it. In fact he said he was their leader for OVER 30 years. Look it up then apologize for being wrong. You could probably find the fucking info on lostpedia and search charles widmore.
Comment 221, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
She was on the “run” from home because of the lawyer Ben sent to scare her, so I am not sure how “far” from home she was. But FTR, there aren’t really neighborhood convenience stores in Los Angeles, the way there are in other places.
Duke wrote:
Yes, it was that song. I said that same thing out loud when I heard Kate singing it to Aaron!
: ) P
Comment 222, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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How bout you look it up and prove it to me.
Comment 223, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
I agree–great episode! I don’t really get the few critical responses on here of the episode. I felt it was really well crafted to do as much as possible. The only thing I would have like to see is some hint that the characters are concerned or thinking about where Faraday and Rose and Bernard are. I don’t need to know where they are–but it feels sloppy not having the characters say something about it.
I like how Jack’s story is still open-ended. I think it will somehow involve him meeting/reconnecting with his [ghost?] father.
I wonder if Richard had ever been visiting the past or future when we have seen him throughout the series.
Comment 224, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Grow up? You are the one getting bent out of shape over a few well placed curse words. The dude was just trying to express his anger/hatred of this episode. Cussing seems to get the point across that he/she HATED this episode. Let people be who they are and express themselves however they see fit. We aren’t here to pass judgement on people. because we do not agree with them.
Comment 225, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke,
He may have said it but he didn’t say it at that time for sure. So I want the proof. I would be showing it to you! Your the one that said it happened. I have no proof to find.
Comment 226, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
code wrote:
I agree. It all goes back to the LOSTies never TALKING about anything – what is that freaky sound in the jungle? why polar bears? why 108 minutes? what is the black smoke? how did the black rock get there? I mean, if I were STUCK on an island for even ten hours, I think I would be sitting in a circle with other people just looking around at all the weird stuff and TALKING about it.
But NOW, I think it goes past not quite “right” and edges on really “wrong” that they aren’t asking questions. I can ALMOST buy that they’re not talking about the weird STUFF, but not talking about people they came to know, and even care about? SURELY one of the four characters “new” to 1977 would have asked if ANYONE else survived and where they were. Sawyer threw off a comment about Daniel, shouldn’t SOMEONE have asked more? Those are the kinds of things that bug me.
: ) P
Comment 227, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Oh ok. I found it. Three decades. SO SORRY! Duke. (kissing feet.) I don’t understand how that tells us that he is definately on the island in 1977. Also it says they protected the island for 3 decades. So,…who knows. (Still kissing feet.)
Comment 228, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Cause I do not need to prove anything to anybody especially YOU. I am right and do not feel it necessary to waste my time to look up something that I KNOW WAS SAID. You are the dumbass that doesn’t believe so waste your own time to prove to yourself that I am right. You do not believe me, I do not care. I do not care because I KNOW THAT WIDMORE SAID IT. You are the one doubting it so go ahead waste some more of your time and prove me right. Or just check back later and there will be several more post backing me up. I have given you the tools needed to debunk your theory so go and do it.
Comment 229, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke and Tasha,
Don’t get caught up in the musings of an angry poster (adapa1). And don’t give him/her more attention that he/she is obviously craving.
Comment 230, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha,
Sorry for the anger but when I know something happened I do not feel the need to find the proof. I leave that to the person that doesn’t believe.
Comment 231, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Lostee wrote:
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Not getting caught up just want people to be able to express themselves however they see fit whether I agree with their methods or not.
Comment 232, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha, Duke, here’s the line from TLADOJB. Carry on.
WIDMORE: They’re not the “Others” to me. They’re my people. We protected the Island peacefully for more than three decades. But then I was exiled… by him… just as you were.
Comment 233, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
So funny. I have been right many times and looked the proof up. You need to STFU. I already said SORRY! Next time someone up here is wrong and acts like they know for a FACT, I’ll be sure to curse them out the way you do!Yes I will waste my time. The same as you are right now. I wouldn’t have gotten so crappy if you hadn’t gotten so crappy about the cursing. I won’t stoop to your level and start cursing up here because I have a little self control.
Thx for trying though, don’t get your panties all wadded up!
Comment 234, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Oops! Forgot this part too
WIDMORE: Well, that’s the exit. I was afraid Benjamin might fool you into leaving the Island, as he did with me. I was their leader.
Comment 235, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Its nice to know that Alpert doesn’t answer to Charles.
Comment 236, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
BY FAR the best episode of the season minus the part where Richard says, “he will never remember this nor will he ever be innocent again”. Through it was a little cheezy/hollywood. Still, this episode seemed to have the most continuity and actually reminded me of the older seasons.
Faraday haaaas to be an other. He couldn’t have died because he exists in the future much like Ben.
Comment 237, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Hammer, it is of great mystical significance that your BTFB post ended up as number 108…; okay, it’s not significant at all. (grin)
Anyway, going into the temple takes away one’s innocence. Except for what was in his/her short term memory, an Other knows everything. What a terrible burden….
8) Jim
Comment 238, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
I am sorry too. I was WRONG. Which sucks because I already read thru it and watched 3 times before I posted that I knew. In all of that I was looking and listening for 30 years and did not see or hear the 3 decade thing.
It’s all my fault but I guess I was angry about the cursing thing and have kept my mouth shut about it but IMHO I don’t see the need for it. It really SHOULD be a rule up here. Like I said an occasional curse word here and there is one thing. Everybody curses. I have the worst potty mouth in the world, believe me. In my line of work, I don’t include it.
Anyway, I am not usually like this. It must be in the air or something and I truly am sorry. I hope you can forgive me. It is from lack of sleep I am sure:( Please please please don’t hate me! I am really a sweet little innocent girl at heart!
Comment 239, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I think it is interesting that Richard seemed to just appear! Whisperers could be a good theory…it would also seem that Widmore and Ellie are NOT on the island at this time or I think they would be there as well (or maybe no one else possesses the same “abilities” as Richard does…he seems to be the only person who does not age…why is this?)Sawyer is not affraid b/c Richard when they met earlier in 1977 and Sawyer mentioned Jacob Richard knows he has a purpose for being there (imo). Richard is willing to take young Ben BUT explains this will not be without consequences! Someone mentioned it in an earlier post that the scene felt like “selling your soul to the devil.” It felt that way to me too, (but still hope this is not about purgatory)to much of an optimist for that! So i think this is Ben’s rebirth and it also seemed to coincide with the “awakening” of old Ben…
-miss
Comment 240, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
“It is better to keep one’s mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and resolve all doubt.” ~Abraham Lincoln
“Speak when you are angry and you will make the best speech you will ever regret.” ~Ambrose Bierce
“Never miss a good chance to shut up.” ~Will Rogers
Comment 241, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
BTW, a new video podcast is up on abc.com. Not much to it, but amusing at least. No audio podcast, which I prefer, but I suppose it still may be posted.
: ) P
Comment 242, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Jim in Georgia wrote:
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Do you think maybe you have to be invited into the temple or escorted by someone who is an other? The group with Rousseau was not invited and they went crazy according to Rousseau. Or maybe this is a bit out there..but you know how when people have near death experiences their life literally “flashes” before their eyes? maybe in the temple you have “flashes” of things yet to come…could be tough to have faith in things to come if they are not good and could drive a person crazy?!?
The temple could possess healing properties but at a cost…the cost of knowing more than one person should know…
-miss
Comment 243, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
The Wrz said in Comment 214,
As much as I agree this was a filler ep, I will take as much Kate filler as they are willing to dish out.
I’d like 2 second that, and add that I woulnt mind some more Sun in a bikini filler too.
P.S: Cursing in inappropriate settings serves only to exibit a lack of self-control, vocabulary, and class. :)
Comment 244, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
The new episode was terrible.
I’ve really had it with things that happen where a character acts so out of synch with how we would really expect them to act.
Example; when Sayid shoots Ben he doesn’t even bother to put another bullet in him or even check to see if he’s dead. He also leaves behind the walkie talkie which he could have used to monitor the people who will be hunting for him. These are NOT the actions of someone with Sayid’s smarts and training.
And why would Sawyer and Kate even care what happens to little Ben? I’m with the Doc on this one…let him croak.
But it was a nice touch to try and make Ben’s father seem a little more human.
I’m really wanting to find out more about the Others and now Alpert has appeared again…and takes Ben to heal him.
It was quite weird for Alpert to say Ben would lose his innocence. What the hell? He’s gonna get well then they take him to a whore house? Odd choice of words.
Comment 245, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
For years we’ve been wondering why Richard Alpert doesn’t age. Where’s the ep on HIS backstory? (Or frontstory, as the case may be!) Might need two eps to cover it all!
Comment 246, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Maybe the baby is Kate’s baby and after all she would be the baby’s Aunt.
Comment 247, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke, don’t sweat it. Tasha is probably mad you brought up Obama.
I vote for freedom of speech
Comment 248, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Bobola wrote:
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I think the writers WANT them to be out of sync as time as they know it is out of sync! Everything they know is being tested to the core…tough to know what one is suppose to do.
I think Jack is trying to have faith for once and just believe in the unbelievable. Maybe even faith in himself…even if that is saying No to helping young Ben. Jack is that person that has to have proof and need to be able to solve the equation, and sometimes in life there are not tangible answers…it is just because. Kate still baffles me a little. She has genuine love for Aaron and was quite conflicted about leaving. Maybe it is finally that she loves someone more than herself and needs to try to make things right for Aaron’s sake (maybe that means finding his mom).
And the new internal motherly instincts in Kate could not allow a young boy to die…even if it was Ben!
-miss
Comment 249, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Detective Skywalker wrote:
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Tasha wrote:
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I did not start the bs about the cursing. Using initials that represent curse words is the same offense, in my mind, that you got so upset about in the first place. If we know that you are cursing by using the first letters in each word then you might as well spell the words out. And the fact remains that you were wrong about Widmore so just admit it and move on. Just for the record I do not wear panties it is commando only bitches!
Comment 251, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I always get so anxious reading through all the posts before i get to post my own thoughts
Hammer wrote:
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Does Smokie have anything to do with this enlightenment in your eyes? That’s the first thing i thought of when i saw the Temple…where’s Smokie?
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Do we really know that they (Ellie/Charles)were on the island in 77′? I guess that’s why you said IF
LostGrrl wrote:
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When did this happen?
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I love this Hammer
My laugh out loud moment of the night…..Hurley’s facial expression when he stumped Miles w/ his Ben TT question.
Comment 252, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Amber wrote:
Comment 253, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I think miss lost is really on to something with comment 239 when she refers to Ben waking up at the end of the episode.
Regarding the TT, if they all are traveling on their own linear path, then Sayid and the other survivors truly do change the world for the 1977ers. Regardless of “whatever happened, happened,” I think that the last scene of this episode might hint at this possibility of the survivors tweaking with previous realities.
For this reason, I think that the Ben who wakes up with Locke at the end of WHH is a newer version of our Ben… a Ben that has the experiences with the survivors in 1977. I don’t ascribe to a theory that they had been there (1977) before now. I think that they are all there for the first time. The reason I think that this could be true is because the writers wouldn’t juxtapose that ending scene with this episode for no reason. Even though the scene was short, I think it might hold the key to that episode and also to the true impact of the survivors on the “1977 now.”
Additionally, I think further evidence of this might be the ongoing discussion between Hurley and Miles. I don’t remember the exact words of Hurley when he finally trumped Miles (and don’t have DVR to replay them). I do think that Hurley sometimes plays the part of the “wise fool” and that his conversation with Miles was much more than comic relief (perhaps this connects to one of Duke’s earlier comments on this convo).
Anyway, those are my thoughts for now. I’ve been reading this blog for 3 seasons. This is my first post, and I am still processing these thoughts myself. I was as clear as I could be for now.
Comment 254, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I do not get bent out of shape about anything anybody rights on this blog. No harm done on my part. I only hope you feel the same in return. It is very fun to get all worked though isn’t it? I love it!!!!!!!!!!
Comment 255, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
is this ridiculous internet fight over yet? if not, please exchange email addresses and take it offline. there are enough inteligent posts to sort through here without being sidetracked by this crap. sorry for adding to the negativity, but I always appreciated this site for the general sense of respect between the posters, without all the usual internet pettiness
Comment 256, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Enough! How many posts are you guys going to waste? Rules of this blog… stay on topic… be constructive… be kind and helpful.
Get back to talking about Lost.
Comment 257, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
When Miles was explaining TT to Hurley he said “Ben turned the wheel” How does Miles know about the wheel? Faraday? Locke didn’t mention it to him, Juliet, and Sawyer when he went down the well.
Comment 258, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I am about to read all the posts but I wanted to say now that I loved this epi. I also did a search for keywords to make sure this wasn’t covered yet.
I think the guy in Dharmaville with the beard is the same guy who was outside the courthouse yelling at Kates trial. Agree? Disagree? Ideas? Hopefully some input by the time I am done reading.
Comment 259, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Ok DUKE! Not to bring this up again, but the reason I was wrong is because I was watching the enhanced episode over and over. I am good at remembering and dont usually go to LOSTPEDIA unless I really need to. I always go back and watch. So you are telling me when he said it, and I am sitting here watching it and he doesn’t at all in the enhanced version. I pulled up the other version and he does. Has the enhanced episodes always been like that? Crazy. No wonder why it seems like some of us are watching different shows LOL. So in a way we are both right because we are watching different shows? Like I said crazy. I still agree you are right and all but still, it upsets me. It probably seemed like I was lying to you when I say he didn’t say it even though i was watching it.
Comment 260, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
Ok, here’s a question. If Ben really doesn’t remember things BEFORE being shot, which it seems like because he says he was “born” on the island, how would he know that Roger was his dad? Did the others tell him this? He clearly was aware who his father was because he gassed him in the Dharma van.
Comment 261, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Shadow wrote:
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Sorry, quoted incorrectly to shadow’s post-
I think the Jin and Sawyer, et al have actually been looking for Rose and Bernard’s group for the past 3 years not the O6s that left, in one of the episodes it’s referred to as to why they don’t want to get on the sub right away to have time to “look for their people” IMO. Been reading the blog for about 3 seasons but first post…
Comment 263, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
OKay this is driving me nuts, can SOMEONE please just answer me with what you or anyone thinks.
Do you think Kate ever really loved Jack? She seemed to in “Something Nice Back Home” but now I am thrown for a loop with all this Sawyer stuff and her ‘needing Aaron’ to cure her heart break over Sawyer. Sense when does Kate “need’ anyone? Isn’t that what her character is all about? I know there is a love triangle between Sawyer Jack and Kate, but now I wonder if Kate was just using Jack subconsciously to get over Sawyer?!????
Please some insight???? Much thanks!
Comment 264, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Miss lost wrote:
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I agree that you have to be escorted; invited might not be good enough because the initial exposure to the — for lack of a better term — the wonders (flashes?) may be too much. The French challenged the sanctity of the Temple by walking too close. The flashes take away your short term memory (Ben remembers the DHARMA people, including Roger, Annie and, vaguely, Juliet). He was (re-)born on the Island.
8) Jim
Comment 265, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
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Interesting theory….can we get screen caps of all three. Who out there is a good screen cap detective?
Comment 266, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Roadtrip wrote:
I believe they have to go back so that all of things that happened to the dharama initiative will actually happen. They caused or played a part in the demise of dharma and by them leaving changed that which is why they had to go back. confused yet?
Comment 267, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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I think she really loves Sawyer. I think she cares alot for Jack, but I don’t think IMO she acts like she loves him. I am not really sure.
Comment 268, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
Hmmm… And did Hurley say, “What wheel?” How would Hurley know what the “wheel” was?
Comment 269, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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This is one of things where some people want an absolute declaration of fact; the wan Ms. Hawking to hold her hand up and say, “I am Daniel’s mother.” Don’t hold your breath.
Daniel was in his late-twenties/early-thirties at Oxford in 1996. So call his birth year late-sixties/early-seventies.
If Ellie is Ms. Hawking and is on the Island in ‘77 then little Danny is there; Daniel didn’t get nosebleeds but neither does Theresa.
8) Jim
Comment 270, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Was that Patsy Cline’s She’s Got You playing in Kate’s car when she first went to see Cassidy to deliver Sawyers message and money? I seem to remember that song on another episode. Anyone know what ep this might be?
Comment 271, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I loved the look of satisfaction on Hurley’s face. “I won an argument!”
8) Jim
Comment 272, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Comment 273, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I almost crapped a $1.35 in nickels when I heard Ben whisper, “Help me.” Freaking awesome.
Comment 274, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Hmmmmm…that is disconcerting. But I can imagine they do make some edits for the enhanced episodes. Frequently, the first-run episodes run for 1:02 or so including commercials. The enhanced episodes run for exactly 1:00 including commercials. So I can imagine they would have to chop 2 minutes out of those episodes, because they certainly aren’t going to cut down on commercials.
Comment 275, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
poopy pants wrote:
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I am still of the opinion that Ellie and Widmore are brother and sister. Tonight I thought possibly twins.
Comment 276, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Bobola wrote:
Agreed. Sayid’s taking Ilana “home” with him and then being bested by her weren’t in his character either. I think we’re meant to see how much the characters have been changed by their three years.
: ) P
Comment 277, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
And how are Sawyer and Kate going to explain to the Dharmaites what they just did???
Comment 278, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
ok i just have a hard time understanding what miles was saying. when he says it all happened before i just dont get it. Happened before when? how were they ever in the 70’s before now? I mean we saw all of there flash backs so they had a whole life before the island….so how were they there before! is it just this part of there life that is on a loop? Do they get to a certian point and then it starts over with them crashing and starting over again and ending up in the 70’s again? and if so why dont they remember? can someone help me out
Comment 279, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Bobola wrote:
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I’m with you and adapa1.
This episode not only sucked, but it wasted precious minutes if the few hours we have left in the series. Did we really have to watch 30 minutes of tape to see what Kate did with Aaron? Are we really to believe that Sayid and Jack are the only ones with enough sense to let Ben die?
It seems to me that once the powers that be went with the TT road, they screwed up big time. I’ve heard many times from Damon and Carlton that this place is not purgatory. But now it seems that the remaining 25 hours or so will not live up to how great the show could have been. At this point, purgatory may have been the way to go.
I respect everyones thoughts/opinions/theories but I must say that this is no way was a GREAT epsiode. OK at best, but then again, maybe getting answers like Sawyer telling Kate to take care of Clementine is the equivalent of what’s the deal with Guyliner or the Smokemonster or Jacob. Maybe it’s all relative and most of our questions will be answered, just not in the fashion we would prefer. I honestly thought about waiting to the remainder of this season and next season was available on Netflix. But then i thought about how I wouldn’t be able to stop myself from lurking on this blog, so I might as well grind it out.
Comment 280, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Isn’t it a bit of a leap to assume that Richard appears out of nowhere, or that he is somehow anticipating that he is needed? Sawyer and Kate were surrounded by perhaps a dozen Others, couldn’t one of them have run ahead and let Richard know what was up?
I state that because although Richard is mysterious, there are things that he doesn’t seem to understand or have yet to be revealed to him, I even have doubts that he is a TT. In fact I’m almost positive he isn’t otherwise it is an extremely sloppy depiction of his character, because if he is able to TT, surely he would have done so to get a handle on all the strangeness that surrounds the Losties. From Locke disappearing in front of his eyes, to Sawyer’s knowledge of the H-bomb and now the delivering of a child shot by Dharma folks (as far as he would be concerned).
Any take on that would be appreciated.
Comment 281, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Amber wrote:
I understand how you feel. I didn’t really see it as new information, but more as Hurley acting as the Greek Chorus, asking the questions that viewers have and Miles clarifying it. In the end, I was just thrilled that SOMEONE was asking QUESTIONS about all the STUFF that is going on!
: ) P
Comment 282, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Very surprised this hasn’t been talked about. Was the man in the grocery store that Kate asked if he saw Aron one of the people from 316? He was stocking shelves Garcia maybe, I forget his name.
Comment 283, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Amber wrote:
Read slugdog’s post 171. It is well explained there.
: ) P
Comment 284, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Thanks Tasha, its nice to get input on what others think too
Comment 285, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
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He may not have tt (but i think he can somehow)BUT when the group that remained on the island were flashing thru time Richard made a point to tell Locke that he was going to die and gave him the compass…he has to know something…and when he was talking to Locke he told him they had to hurry b/c they didn’t have much time before the next flash…Richard is special, just not sure why…
Comment 286, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
IMO many different time-lines are running parallel. “Old” Ben was hurt a few eps back when John went to see him and we had no idea why…he was relatively OK after the plan crashed. Could it have been because he was shot in 77′? In that same time-line, Kate and Jim LaFleur handed Ben over to Richard. After they enter the temple, the “Old” Ben (different timeline) woke up to John Locke at his side. The different time-lines are happening at the same time and they are jumping from one to the other. Plausible?
Comment 287, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
IMO many different time-lines are running parallel. “Old” Ben was hurt a few eps back when John went to see him and we had no idea why…he was relatively OK after the plane crashed. Could it have been because he was shot in 77′? In that same time-line, Kate and Jim LaFleur handed Ben over to Richard. After they enter the temple, the “Old” Ben (different time-line) woke up to John Locke at his side. The different time-lines are happening at the same time and they are jumping from one to the other. Plausible?
Comment 288, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
My take: Kate WANTED to love Jack because he was the *right* guy – nice job, kind, cares for people, a hero. She was DRAWN to Sawyer – chemisty, biology, whatever.
On the island, especially in the early days, Sawyer wasn’t just rough, he was kind of mean. Kate, who’d been roughed up a bit in her life, liked how nice Jack was. He was the cutest boy at summer camp, so good, they got together.
Sawyer changes a bit and she can’t resist the attraction.
Off island, Jack and Kate have a shared life-experience that few can understand. It is natural for them to be drawn to each other. Was Kate using Jack to get over Sawyer? Probably so, even if not consciously. She must feel a lot of guilt about what he did to save her, them all. Had Sawyer made it off-island, who knows.
That’s my psych-eval on Kate. Sorry you asked? LOL
: ) P
Comment 289, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I’m wondering, since Ben will apparently not remember anything from his past, aka, the Losties that are currently living in Dharmaville, when he returns to Dharmaville – because he has to return, we saw him there as a workman and he kills his father in the purge – perhaps the Losties leaving and Widmore/Ellie leaving happen for the same reason, at the same time? Perhaps when/if Widmore and Ellie turn the wheel and leave, the Losties are transported to current time, 2007/2008? Maybe that’s how they end up with Sun and Frank and Locke and all that?
Comment 290, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Toeknee wrote:
Exactly. He states to Locke ( what island leader doesn’t lie to Locke ), that he was their leader, which I have no doubt he was, for a period of time. It is not stated he was their leader for 30 years. He helped “protect” the island for more than 3 decade., IMO, that doesn’t mean he was the leader the WHOLE time, he was there, that’s all.
Comment 291, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
So why can’t they get the doctor from the Looking Glass? Any ideas?
Comment 292, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
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And who could it be? Might we say…dun dun dun Christian Shepherd. Possible?
Comment 293, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
You asked, so I replied. You may think Widmore was the leader of the island for 30 years, I do not, as I reasoned in comment 290. I do agree that you would think the leader would be on the island. Why did they ask about Ellie first though and not Widmore?
Comment 294, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
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Could be a similar situation as Horace and the DeGroots. They are supposedly in Ann Arbor.
Comment 296, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Comment 297, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I saw the Duke noticed the same thing about little Ben’s gun shot that I did. The hole was Clearly placed about 1″ above the sternum just to the left of the centerline. (Next to the zipper)in He’s Our You, and in an entirely different region on the right side in WHH. Hard to explain.
Comment 298, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I too don’t think he is a time-traveler. In fact, I am not sure if he was aware of the possibility until he met John Locke in 1954.
Comment 299, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Tasha
I think that they had to cut about 5-7 minutes from the enhanced version because that episode ran long and they couldn’t run it long the second time around. Again no big deal I love getting fired up and enjoy the back and forth with people who can take it like youhave demonstrated you are able to do. You are now in my fave five. LOL
Comment 300, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Jim in Georgia wrote:
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Theresa did not time travel like the losties. Her subconcious travelled which has put her in the condition that she is in like Daniel’s rat. If you believe the almighty Daniel he related the nosebleeds to time spent on the island therefore if he was born on th eisland and spent time their by his own logic he would have experienced the same symptoms as Charlotte and Miles because they had spent time on the island before. YOu cannot use Theresa as an example because her case was different. If you want to use Daniel’s logic and him being the end all be all then use it all the time not just when it suits your purpose.
Comment 301, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Also to add to my last post there is no way that Daniel in 2007 when he is on the freighter is about 41 years of age. I guess he could be if he had some extensive work done botox and a face lift perhaps.
Comment 302, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Also no one is questioning Juliet being a doctor now. One day she is working on some sweet vans the next she is delivering babies and trying to save innocent little Ben from a gun shot. Give me a break.
Comment 303, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
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I LOVE IT!!! That would explain a few things.
I hope you turn out to be right.
Comment 304, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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I was actually wondering about this too. What was Sawyer going to say about Jack the janitor, whose aptitude tests placed him there, now performing major surgery?
Comment 305, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
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Where was everyone when Juliet and Kate loaded Ben in the van? A child had been shot, you would think other people would be a little concerned. Usually the place is swarming with people everywhere. Or did I miss something?
Comment 306, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I guess they were all at their “battle stations” or whatever they would call them – they had just been “attacked from within” (the burning bus) and were out looking for Sayid and the Hostiles.
Comment 307, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Richard is the SmokeMonster/The SmokeMonster is Richard IMO,thoughts?
Comment 308, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hey everyone, I would like to ask us all to use the quote and reply more sparingly or to delete from the reply anything in the quote that isn’t needed. Some of these posts with quotes are getting to be pages long.
Thanks to all who are willing.
Comment 309, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Mr. $tuart wrote:
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Just like Jacob said to Lock in the cabin.
Comment 310, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Duke wrote:
The freighter was in 2004.
Comment 312, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I would like to know how Juliette knew the Other’s could save Ben? Does she know about the islands healing power? A few weeks ago it was discussed that she knows more than she lets on, myabe this confirms that.
Comment 313, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Herkey wrote:
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Well, Juliet spent three years living as an Other – she IS an Other, so she knows what they are and can do.
Comment 314, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Herkey wrote:
Good point. Of course, Juliet and Sawyer (et al) have had three years since Sawyer and Alpert’s private tete-a-tete after Paul’s death. Who knows how many times they’ve worked together during that three years?
: ) P
Comment 315, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
True, but wasn’t she a Ben Other versus an Alpert Other? What I mean is that there were two kinds of Others… those that lived in the DHARMA barracks and had a “mainstream” society working in the DHARMA stations, with book club, and therapists, runway building, and science and medical experiments (though they were NOT DHARMA). The other Others were the former “hostiles” that were seemingly nomadic and followed Alpert (possible Whisperers). Ben floated between the two groups, but I saw them as definitively TWO groups.
: ) P
Comment 316, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I agree. Two sperate goups. New Others vs. Old Others. Still seems strange to me.
Comment 317, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Herkey wrote:
Also she has said in the past that Ben doesn’t tell her everything.
Comment 318, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Hear, hear!
This episode actually had a lot of people saying stuff that they couldn’t possibly know.
Like, I found Cassie’s opinionating on Sawyer’s true motives very annoying. Kate was there with him, when it happened, but she’ll believe Cassie, who clearly has a strong anti-Sawyer bias, when she says, “Well, Sawyer was going to go back to mainland with you, but when he saw the helicopter was going to crash, he must have thought to himself, ‘Do I want to live with this women for the rest of my life? Here’s a perfect opportunity for me to escape that life! I will kill myself and look like a hero in the process!”
Come on.
Even if Sawyer was wanting to leave Kate, he’d go back to the mainland and then leave her, not jump off the helicopter just for the sake of it.
Sawyer had no idea the helicopter was going to leak fuel, he was on it planning to get off the island.
So I think Cassie was just being pissy.
Comment 319, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
SMC wrote:
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I agree, course correction. Sayid changed something by acting and Jack’s inaction corrected it.
Comment 320, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I think they have those conversations during all that “black hole” time that they don’t show us.
When they are also hunting boar, gathering fruits and water, pooping, etc…
Handy, that “black hole” time.
Comment 321, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Re: two groups of Others
Hypothesis:
Group I – Ben’s group took over dharmaville, and lives there looking and acting just like the DI did. (But w/o the jumpsuits, and he, why is all the dharma food still coming to them after their not-bloodless coup?)
Group II – Alpert’s group, hanging out in the forest.
Inconsistency – Alpert was the one going to the mainland, recruiting people (Juliette) to Ben’s group.
I think there was just one group, but Alpert does his own thing.
Comment 322, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
slugdoc wrote:
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I am in the mind set of one group with different categories: Recruited Others and Island Natives…cohabitating.
Comment 323, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
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Great point…don’t know if means anything, but I bet it does.
BTW, the crapping nickels comment…haaalarious….where did you come up with that number? 27 nickels? LOL.
Comment 324, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Anyone want to respond to #260? Just curious as to what people think. I very rarely post on here. I guess no one probably reads mine anyway when I do. It’s no big deal. I really enjoy reading what other have to say. I’m actually rewatching season 3. Getting ready to watch an episode now.
Comment 325, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Jason wrote:
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I read your posts.
Didn’t he say that Ben wouldn’t remember any of ‘this’…not that he wouldn’t remember ‘anything’?
IMO, Since we know that he doesn’t do the purge until he is an adult, he is sent back to live in DHARMAVILLE. Dad is still a drunk and says horrible things and treats Ben poorly.
I still think that Ben doesn’t think he was literally born on the island. The new Ben was on the island ‘all his (new)life’.
Comment 326, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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the 1 question hurley didn’t ask miles, that i’d still like to know, is why did miles come to the island?
Comment 327, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Thanks, that makes sense.
Comment 328, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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the 1 question hurley didn’t ask miles, that i’d still like to know, is why did miles come to the island?
Comment 329, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
Duke wrote:
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the 1 question hurley didn’t ask miles, that i’d still like to know, is why did miles come to the island?!?!
Comment 330, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
not sure what happened there
Comment 331, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I must formally apoligize to anyone I might have offened last night with my vulgarity. Offense is never my objective. I was just really pissed off at WHH!!! It will never happen again.
Tasha+ Duke= Classy!!! I’ve learned NEVER arguing with either of you!!! ;-)
Skweez, Bobola, and Slugdoc….You share my pain and I completely agree with you.
Now…. does anyone have any additional info on the Omen childs traveling gunshot wound? I’m begging for some kind of logic behind this. To think that was accidental is an insult all us viewers. If we noticed the redhead on the set when we weren’t even supposed to, how can we possibly overlook the traveling gunshot wound
Comment 332, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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we know he was on island in the 1950’s and i’m guessing left before or right after purge(when it appears Ben became leader)in the 80’s hence 3 decades. One question tho-where are some getting the idea that Faraday and Penny are twins? Was this ever even hinted at???????
Comment 333, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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i totally see where u are coming from, i think kate probably thought she SHOULD be in love w/ Jack, but was so hot for Sawyer that it didn’t matter. People need to stop hating on Kate BTW. Sorry that Juliet is so upset now that they’re back, but once upon a time she supposedly wanted nothing more than to get the hell off the island
Comment 334, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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i totally see where u are coming from, i think kate probably thought she SHOULD be in love w/ Jack, but was so hot for Sawyer that it didn’t matter. People need to stop hating on Kate BTW. Sorry that Juliet is so upset now that they’re back, but once upon a time she supposedly wanted nothing more than to get the hell off the island
Comment 335, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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i totally see where u are coming from, i think kate probably thought she SHOULD be in love w/ Jack, but was so hot for Sawyer that it didn’t matter. People need to stop hating on Kate BTW. Sorry that Juliet is so upset now that they’re back, but once upon a time she supposedly wanted nothing more than to get the hell off the island
Comment 336, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
sorry-dont know why i’m multiple posting.
only thing i thought was lame was lack of conversation b/w cassidy and kate. I mean the last time they saw each other she helped kate see her mom…now it’s “sawyer sent me”???????? i mean talk about a small world! i just think that scene could have been written better.
Comment 337, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
sorry-dont know why i’m multiple posting.
only thing i thought was lame was lack of conversation b/w cassidy and kate. I mean the last time they saw each other she helped kate see her mom…now it’s “sawyer sent me”???????? i mean talk about a small world! i just think that scene could have been written better.
Comment 338, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
Your hitting the submit button more than once.
Comment 339, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lola how come you keep posting everything 3 times?
Comment 340, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
slugdoc wrote:
I had a thought about that a few weeks ago, and forgot to mention it – thanks for reminding me.
There was talk about the original O815′ers possibly “flashing” in time when the plane crashed (or as it passed through the snow globe). Possibly EVERYONE who passes through that snow globe travels in time somehow.
Maybe the *island* was on 1980’s or early 90’s time, even though the *people* came from, and to *them* were living in 2001 (Juliet/Desmond) through 2004 (O815ers).
I am having a difficult time figuring out how to explain what I mean. Basically I am suggesting the food drops are happening in the 80’s even though the people on the island are from twenty years later.
: ) P
Comment 341, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Amber wrote:
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not doing it on purpose
Comment 342, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Of course Ben remembers his childhood:
1) He knew what day was his birthday (the day of the purge when he killed his father)
2) He knew his father and everything he did to him
3) Juliet “reminds him of her” ie. he remembers her saving his life
4) He knew & told Sayid that Sayid was a killer and liked killing bc he was told it by Sayid himself when he was a kid before he was shot.
5) Ben just didnt tell people he knew them before, he lies people! also inside knowledge helps him, he doesnt ever disclose info to anyone until it is a last resort.
There might be a scene to come when someone tells him he must not mention anything to the future versions of themselves, or Ben is smart enough not to.
Good catch on the blogger who at the beginning of this blog wrote something like “lost of innocence=knowledge”
To those of you who are complaining about the fillers and writing,… dont watch LOST if it bothers you so much and stop wasting our time reading your bitching! LOST is not a show, it is a business, they need to make money and have a set time to end it all. IMO LOST is better than ever
Comment 343, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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I’ve always had the opinion that the realtime drops came to a tragic end with the purge. Yet the continued on only becuase of the 108 time loop. I guess that theories kinda got a hole in it….otherwise there would have been a drop every 108. Yay….nay?
I have a question. Pertaining to the theory i’m about to post(in theories section)
How often really seen the black smoke after the swan blew and the loop eneded
Comment 344, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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I love that! Like they don’t even know the year is different cause they are secluded on an island? But then, how about the Red Sox, and Julliet’s sis, and stuff. Or am I missing a part? That would still be awesome and I get what you are saying!
Comment 345, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Comment 343:
Pretty often. Why?
Comment 346, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
At what point do women start having trouble with births since Ethan was born fine? What exactly causes the issue with giving birth on the island?
Comment 347, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I have a favor to ask. Please don’t post curse words in your writing. It’s so unnecessary and unpleasant.
The LOST writers manage to make a thoughtful and intelligent script without using swearing words in every scene. Please try to do the same on this blog.
Maybe Richard Albert is a vampire and he took Ben into the temple for a bite! That would make them immortal, right? Okay…maybe I’ve been reading too much of the Twilight series.
Comment 348, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
funride wrote:
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I don’t think we know the answer to that yet but apparantly I have been watching episodes with lots of important stuff cut out, so I may be wrong. From what I know though, none of that has been answered although there are many theories. Hopefully we will find out this season!
Comment 349, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
Meth much?
Comment 350, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I think Roger and Freckles might be gettin’ cozy soon!
That line “lose his innocence” totally creeps me out. I need to put in a call to Chris Hansen at Dateline.
I agree that Freckles is truly in love w/ Sawyer. And I believe that Juliet is truly in love w/ Jack. She couldn’t wait to catch him in the shower!
Comment 351, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Mateo!!! Calm down brother! We all have our extremes, You love LOST in such a way that ever hour wednesday night is just bliss.
My love is only conditional. And those conditions can change at any time. I mean if you woke up tomorrow and noticed there was no sun…surley you’d be disenchanted and in the dark. Wondering why the sun isn’t working up to par all of a sudden.
I love LOst so much that I just can’t accept to see it tarnish. Now it’s clear that you loved WHH…. but it’s more than evident that that episode was meant clear up the rules of TT for everyone that didn’t learn em from star trek the first time. ;-0
Detective skywalker qouted the la times in an earlier comment:
“Yes, it seems convenient, and a little too much of the dialogue in “What Happened, Happened” felt like it was being explained right at us instead of existing in the make-believe world we’ve grown obsessed with, but no matter. Nestor Carbonell, who plays Alpert, is a damn compelling actor and the lighting, sinister music and his intense stare sold the moment. Who would ever have guessed that Hurley and Kate were the two who helped make Ben who he is now.”
latimesblogs.latimes.com/showt…”
Lost is a business… I understand this.
Yet everyone has a duty that must be done. In the end….after all the checks are signed and every leaves the set…only one thing really matters. ” did we keep/satisy the fans who made this show so famous by obbsessing on it before there even was a hatch..and before DC even knew what to do with it. We are those fans!!! But abc+greed= Lost enhanced episodes!!! The primtime hour before the best show ever, is used SOLEY to get new fans! It’s a blatant and entertaining lure. Now I’m assuming most of us here have no reason to watch this because we’ve seen every episode atleast three times already. Yet it still airs every wed night before the show. that’s a lot of money to waste attempting to explain this show to the newbies, when the oldest fans still can’t seem explain it. It’s was old fashioned neglect to me. like Pop stars who get too famous and alienate the fans who put all that money in you pockets, and supported you when you sucked lol.
You claim LOST a bussines
I say that business is bigger than that.
So strong are we LOST, we’ve been blogging for Five seasons now. WOW! That a lot of unpaid dectective work, speculation, and physics homework.
So yes….random survivors on the island…..was acceptable then but not in the ninth inning.
so yes…..foolish actions by characters….was acceptable then, before they were developed enough for us to care. But here we are the bottom of the fifth season and we have Sawyer AND kate(both with a least one murder) deciding to do the ‘right thing’ which is saving a kid who then grows up to manipulate, and attempt to kill them all. Then, we had this newbie dialogue that told us all the golden TT rule ‘what ever happened happened’
what happened is that we all just happpened to notice a gun shot wound relocated because thats what happens in the twilight zone. You get your intelligence insulted and never notice because there’s soooo much pretty Filler hahaha
Comment 352, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
SORRY… MY QUESTION WAS: how often have we seen the black smoke AFTER the swam exploded.
I keep thinking of when ben summoned the kill the mercenaries. But every other instance i can come up with is in or before the 108 loop
Comment 353, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Scooter…..huh? I was soo pissed..i still kinda am. I take it you enjoyed WHH?
Comment 354, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
no problem with babies until they created the time loop after the incident. So Ethan may have been the last one before aaron. The timeloooptheory really explains this well. The fetus ages while the mother doesn’t.. or something along those lines
Comment 355, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
just analzing the course correcting theory of the smoke. If it is true then I think there would be Zero black smoke until 815 crashed and the loop ended.
Comment 356, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha & funride: This theory has tons of answers for you.
Goodnight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLTTfhXhO50
Comment 357, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Re: post 268, wasn’t Hurley there when Locke and Ben go to Jacob’s Cabin, and wasn’t he there when Locke says that Jacob told him to move to the Island? So he could have an idea of a wheel from that.
I’m with Circus Mom, Ellie and Widmore are related, not lovers/married, in my opinion.
Comment 358, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Sorry, I meant to say in the above post “move the island”, not “move TO the island”, my mistake.
Comment 359, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
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That’s just people speculating. Widmore is Penny’s father, Ellie (Ms. Hawking) is Faraday’s mother. Widmore and Ellie have been on the island together for 20 years or so. Perhaps they hooked up, and are Penny’s and Faraday’s parents.
Comment 360, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Well the idea is that the “outside world” is still existing in “real time” so that while it is the 1980’s on the island, it is still 2001 (or whatever) on the mainland. My thought is that the island is receiving drops that were, in essence, delivered 20 years earlier.
: ) P
Comment 361, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
Another two minutes of my life I won’t get back.
*sigh*
: ) P
Comment 362, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
We haven’t been told just WHEN the problem with pregnancy started. And I am not sure we can even say that “they created the time loop after the incident” either. I believe this is speculation.
I think it is just as likely that the pregnancy issues coincide with the purge. Perhaps whatever gas Ben used still has an effect on woman. Because Ben orchestrated the purge, he feels compelled to figure out how to fix it.
I believe women having uteri that have aged far more than they have would prevent them from becoming pregnant, not make them die during childbirth.
One thing that Juliet once said is that the women’s immune systems were rejecting the fetuses. That might be more closely related to the island’s HEALING powers than anything else. There are instances IRL of a woman’s body rejecting the fetus because it is viewed as a foreign body (literally) and therefore as an infection. However, the IRL reaction is that the woman miscarries (usually), not that she dies. Still, this is LOST, so the rules are different.
: ) P
Comment 363, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Herkey wrote:
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AND YET… Juliet herself refers to herself as an Other. She said that the 1954 Others spoke Latin, as she did, because they all learned it in “Others 101″ – a joke of course, but not entirely. She is a true Other. After the purge, the remaining Dharmites became Others. Just as they had assimilated the army camp, they assimilated Dharmaville. There is ONE group not two. Alpert helping to recruit Juliet clinches the deal for me. One group made up of old and new Others.
Comment 364, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Just chiming in @ the island preg. issue.
I think it’s still possible that the problem lies with Ben and the circumstances of his birth (his first ‘birth’). Might be punishment to the folks that helped him carry it out purge.
Comment 365, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I think someone brought this up in a previous thread, so here is my thought on it.
Maybe the purge wasn’t supposed to happen and we are in the midst of a course correction to stop it? Maybe some of the whisperers are the DHARMA folks that were killed in the purge looking for help:
From Outlaws:
“Maybe we should just talk to him”
“No if he see us it will ruin everything”
“What did he see”
“They could help us”
From Abandoned:
“It’s the brothers that help us”
From the Other 48 Days:
“Shannon”
“Your life and time is up”
“Help me”
“Fire Lucia”
“The brothers that help us”
From The Other Woman:
“If she won’t save us then who is?”
Comment 366, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Just a few thoughts
Is it possible that is only one set of Others? They simply occupy the bodies, or image of the bodies, of those that they come across. it seems that Charles Widnmore, in 1954, was wearing the uniform of a U.S. Army soldier named “Jones”. We have seen Others in rag tag clothing like clothing that would have been worn aboard a 19th century slave /mining ship. Could this also be a good reason why RA wanted Paul’s dead body to bring back to “His People”, and possible why Ben left Alex’s Body out in the open, and did not attempt to take it along for burial. Could Ben have thaught that smokey might take her body back to the temple? the whole possession theory might also providean explanation for Dannielle saying that her crew was infected and killed them all including Robert. If Dannielle could somehow detect the presence of “Otherness” in her crew, perhaps the reason that she never sees them is that they are avoiding her out of fear.
I also wondered why Juliet would allow Kate to take Ben without the oxygen tank. If he went into convulsions once from a lack of oxygen, is it reasonable to assume it could happen again?
And I still can’t figure out how Ben’s wound moved from a fatal location to potentially fatal one.
Comments… Help…
Comment 367, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
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I agree that the problem is either the purge or maybe the incident. does it have something to do also with the destruction of the statue? It was destroyed and maybe that destroyed the woman’s protection. Although the interesting thing is that the women do not have trouble getting pregnant…they have old uteruses which you would think would make it impossible to carry a baby…maybe the old uteruses have something to do with TT? Could it effect the body in a bad way? But why is it that it is not the baby that dies…usually when the body rejects the fetus it happens at an earlier stage and miscarriage occurs (usually 1st trimester)but here the mom dies…and why bring Juliette who is a fertility doc? Wouldn’t she have more to do with getting pregnant? I liked earlier threads saying Juliette (fertility doc = statue (fertility god?) maybe somewhere along the line she does solve this problem…
(ok, sorry if that seemed to ramble, it makes sense in your head and then you start typing…ha it makes you feel LOST!
-miss
Comment 368, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
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1. It could simply be a continuity error, it wouldnt be the first time and it wont be the last time there are mistakes.
2. The bullet could have entered and ricocheted around and then of some ribs and came out through the right side (I know far fetched)Juliet did say that she could not find the exact point of the bleeding
Comment 369, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
It sure looks like that might be the case with the whispers you posted but that depends on the WHH theory. I tend to lean toward it NOT being every single incident. For instance, maybe Sayid did not shoot Ben the “first time around” and Jack not willing to operate was the course correction. Ben is still on the same path. Maybe being shot and taken to Alpert just sped his path up 15 years, or not?
Comment 370, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Response to comment #285- Richard also gave Locke the compass when he fixed his gunshot wound> Richard told him that he needed the compass because the next they saw each other Richard would not recognize him. This obviously meant that Richard knew Locke would travel back in time to a year that Richard would not recognize who he was. He gave it to him so Locke could prove that he knew Richard.
Response to comment 311- You missed the whole point of my argument. Daniel used the early nosebleeders as sign that they had spent time on the island before the events that we were watching. My guess by the others comment about Ellie and Widmore not being pleased with Richard for helping Ben meant to me that they were currently on the island when Ben got shot. Therefore, the premise that Ellie is Faraday’s mother would lead me to believe that he too was on the island at that time. So for those that want to see Faraday as the all knowing time travelling wizard they would have to believe that Faraday would have also gotten nosebleeds because he had been on the island before. I AM NOT convinced that Ellie is Faraday’s mother. The only proof we have is the enhanced version of the episodes which Darlton have stated are not entirely accurate. I just wish we knew Faraday’s birthdate so the math could be little more accurate. Also wish we knew if the Hostiles, the original ones with Ellie and Widmore, had ways of getting off the island. At this point in time the only Hostile seen off island pre-Dharma was Richard visiting Locke at his birth and as a boy but he is obviously special in some way so his off island adventures can be explained.
Comment 371, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
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Taken from an article about gunshot wounds:
The nature and severity of a bullet wound depend on the characteristics of the bullet and of the tissues through which it travels. In addition to the mass and velocity of the bullet, its orientation and whether it fragments affect the nature of the wound.
Comment 372, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
Good point Rita and I think I am starting to agree with you. Richard said to Sawyer and Kate, who for some dumb reason didn’t even hesitate turning him over, that Ben “will ALWAYS be One Of Us”. Coincidentally enough, Juliet’s second FB was entitled “One of Us”. Maybe once you’re in, you’re in, regardless of how you arrived there.
Comment 373, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
If you believe that there is such a thing as “course correction” then you don’t believe in WHH. Correct?
Because in the “whatever happened happened” theory, Sayid ALWAYS shot Ben and Jack ALWAYS refused to operate. The purge ALWAYS happened. Can’t be corrected.
(To my mind, only Desmond can potentially course correct. Though when he tried it with Charlie, it didn’t work.)
Comment 374, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke, I agree with you…i might not have been clear in post #285, but I also thought Richard giving the compass was proof that he knows about TT. It doesn’t mean he himself can TT, but he KNEW they would meet again. It is also interesting that he KNEW he would not know who Locke was. How did he know he would TT to the past? Has he been meeting people throughout time? Does Richard know that when people travel to the past it is not their past (ie not Locke’s past) but the islands past?
-miss
Comment 375, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
No I didn’t, just correcting your fact that the freighter was in 2004, not 2007.
Duke wrote:
Agreed. But in the convo with Desmond she never denied not being Faraday’s mom. I guess it is like assuming Widmore was the island leader for 30 years when he NEVER actually said that. I guess you can have it both ways though.
Comment 376, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That may be, that the end result of the Losties TT to 1970’s is that they prevent the purge. Perhaps that is why D&C have been so adamant about “you can’t change things”, somewhat to mislead us, but also because that is what Lost was always intended to be about, getting Dharma back in business on the island?
A couple aspects of it that I’m not sure about – one is that Widmore told Locke he had to go back to the island to make sure the right side wins the upcoming war. But Locke seems to be on the island in the 2000’s, which is after the purge. Will Locke somehow go back to the 1970’s? Or is Widmore talking about something else?
The other aspect is that there’s a lot of time between the most recent episode (1977) and the purge (1992), so how would they deal with that on the show. More time travelling? Or just skip ahead 15 years in the storytelling?
Comment 377, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
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Great thought lost4ever
Comment 378, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Miss lost wrote:
Maybe this is not directly related to what’s been discussed, but we know that Alpert in 2004 knows about time travel, because of the scene with Locke that you referred to. However, we don’t know exactly when he learned about this. From Jughead, it seemed he didn’t know about TT in 1954, unless he was faking it when Locke appeared. Even in 1974, when Sawyer had that conversation with Alpert about turning over Paul’s body, Alpert didn’t seem to know about TT. So maybe the ability to TT wasn’t developed until later in the 70’s or 80’s, perhaps as a result of what Dharma was doing.
Comment 379, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
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Starting to agree…good point! Would this be why there are so many people in the “real” world who are still willing to help Ben? They are still others?
-miss
-miss
Comment 380, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
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I like this thought…it makes sense to me. TT was/is a result of Dharma! Could Faraday have a hand in it?
Comment 381, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
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I don’t know. Alpert (1954) saw Locke vanish into thin air. Alpert (1974) asked Sawyer where he came from. Sawyer said “you know that guy that walked into your camp 20 years ago and then disappeared right in front of your eyes? I’m with him”
It could have planted a seed about the possibilities of TT.
Comment 382, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
hahah sorry to waste that two minutes buddy. I should have spared you. I’m only sold on ONE aspect in that theory which is the 108 minute time loop. Why do you think no one ever comes to relieve desmond of his position and they still think the dharma are still alive…..
Ok..I think I just cracked and atom over here. IF the 108 lop theory is in fact true, Then I finally know why Desmond is special and the rules don’t apply to him.
Because he is the ONLY person to ever arrive on the island DURING that 108 loop who we know wasn’t there before( well up to this point)
Comment 383, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
As much as I have never wanted to believe in it, I’m giving thought to Richard as an alien.
I’ll get back to that though…
Now Ben cant remember what happens to him before the reincarnation. To me that obviously ties in to him beig able to have dreams, and flash memories of his past, and also to him seeing this past while he has been passed out. He is at his judgement day, parralel to the time of his reincarnation. Would explain him being obsessed with Juliet. Face he saw once in a dream. Like that he is tied briefly to Kate and Sawyer. Maybe thats why he wanted them together in the cages. (cuz he’s a Kate and Sawyer fan.)
Maybe this is when the losties flash to their proper place, once Alpert carries him into the temple… the flash starts coming. It’d be interesting if some flash into different places.
-I give it up to the Widmore/Hawking joint leadership theory. Would explain their sibling vibe… and ALSO the Locke/Ben sibling vibe. Maybe this is what it takes to finally bring these two together. Black and white stones.
I would dig seeing young ben get back together with dad. New relationship now. Dad has already realized what a dick he is. Plus now he may even be a little bit scared of the “new” Ben.
Now Richard. Still dont know where exactly to stand on him. He’s completely unique though. Maybe he cant time travel and so does not completely buy into the idea of it. He has a different perspective but could still be slightly mislead. The way he sees things is somewhat different but he is always truthful. He knows his purpose and he is a leader, but he needs human people to help him carry out his cause (in “whatever??” form, havent got that far yet)
Comment 384, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
steve wrote:
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He probably DID need the O2 tank, BUT he had just had a transfusion of Kate’s blood, so presumably he now has enough hemoglobin (which carries oxygen in the blood) to ward off a seizure from hypoxia.
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adapa1 wrote:
Didn’t the flight 815 survivors all come to the island during the 108 loop?
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adapa1 wrote:
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The Swan explosion happened Season 2 somewhere between Days 44-67.
(Days 71-82) After Swan Explosion
Smokie manifested as Yemi
Smokie versus Eko resulting in Eko’s death
Kat and Juliet’s interaction w/ Smokie
Smokie repelled by sonic fence
2007 or 2008
Frank and Sun heard Smokie while on the dock but never saw him.
Comment 387, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Miss lost wrote:
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Could it be that maybe Richard doesn’t know THAT much about time travel but knows that Locke does it all the time and knew he needed that compass because he is used to Locke flashing in and out of time whenever the sky lights up? I could be wrong and don’t have anything past that. But just a thought.
Comment 388, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
steve wrote:
Yeah… Desmond was the seed.
Comment 389, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
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steve wrote:
****** nope that’s when desmond didn’t enter the code in on time and the loop stopped and the loop stopped and caused it to crash.
Comment 391, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Thanks Jaime!!
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This is one of things where some people want an absolute declaration of fact; the wan Ms. Hawking to hold her hand up and say, “I am Daniel’s mother.” Don’t hold your breath.
Daniel was in his late-twenties/early-thirties at Oxford in 1996. So call his birth year late-sixties/early-seventies.
If Ellie is Ms. Hawking and is on the Island in ‘77 then little Danny is there; Daniel didn’t get nosebleeds but neither does Theresa.
8) Jim
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First time poster.. please be kind!
I think Daniel does not get nosebleeds because he has a constant in Desmond. All the others who DO get nosebleeds due to extended exposure to the island do not appear to have constants.
This could then imply that little Faraday is there on the island in 1977 with Ellie, but then so is older physicist Faraday. So is he the one “lost” in a paradox?
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LostGrrl wrote:
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Actually I think whatever happened happened is different than…whatever happened ALWAYS happened. In other words incidental things changed but the important things didn’t. I think this is the first time the losties are in the 70’s as their 2000’s selves. I don’t think its a time loop because I don’t think they keep coming back to the 70’s after going home, living their live till they get on 815, go thru hell, skip thru time, end up in the 70’s, go back home, get on 815,…….
IMO, course correcting is fixing an event that was supposed to happen but didn’t. Desmond wasn’t course correcting for Charlie, fate kept coming at Charlie until he died because he was supposed to and Desmond was stopping fate NOT course correcting.
Therefore, my theory is that IF they stop the purge…it is a course correction because the purge wasn’t supposed to happen.
Comment 394, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
adapa1 wrote:
I get it. Now it makes more sense.
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Saba wrote:
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I’ll be kind.
I have said in the past that is why Dan never got a nosebleed….constant.
Comment 396, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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I don’t really get it about Des and CHarlie. I think Charlie flipping that switch is what needs to be course corrected. He was already supposed to die and if Des had let him, then he would have never done saved them all. They might be back in time now to be enlightened on why it was so important for them to never leave in the first place. I don’t know. I am confusing myself again. I am just still not convinced that it’s the purge that they are supposed to stop. Maybe it’s because deep inside, I believe Albert is a good guy and we may find out that Dharma was up to something pretty bad that needed to be stopped. JMO.
Comment 397, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Saba wrote:
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Could be Saba, and welcome!
Comment 399, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I think that is what Hurley said his dog “did” after eating a bunch of coins (while he and Sun were waiting to see if Vincent ate Sun’s ring).
: ) P
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Tasha wrote:
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PJSander wrote:
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Oh yeah…remember that now. LOL.
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adapa1 wrote:
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How about Juliet, Danielle, or Inman?
Comment 403, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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wally p wrote:
Good post wallyp. I am not sure if Ben can’t remember EVERYTHING that happens before this or just the incident with Sayid. That remains to be seen.
Comment 405, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
LOL, Tasha. Agreed any TT is out of control. Lucky for us geeks that we now know that a frozen donkey wheel knocked of its axis is bad ju-ju. :)
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Saba wrote:
Welcome and good point. Faraday interacted with his constant while skipping through time, so does that “reset” his nosebleed problem?
Comment 407, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Hawking also NEVER CONFIRMED that she was Faraday’s mother either. Whether or not Widmore was the leader is beside the point. He did state that he helped protect the island for 30 years. He could not have been much older than 17-18 in 1954 which in my mind would be the age that someone could actively help protect the island. Sorta like being in the army fighting for your island/country once you are 18.
Comment 408, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Saba wrote:
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The constant argument has played out on this blog forever. The only explination about someone needing a constant was form Faraday. It pertained to the concious mind travelling through time not the actual body/person. People have been confusing the time travelling that Desmond did when on the helicopter (also Faraday’s rat time travel maze adventure) and the time travelling that the island and the people on it were doing. To me they are two different types of time travelling. Which doesn’t explain Daniel’s lack of time travelling nosebleeds.
Comment 409, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
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…perhapss? (wait which one is Inman?…) there was a similar misstep in the button pushing then too. SO this would let a couple of people outside the loop (Danielle, and the 815′rs—not JUliet, she was brought in a different way) Desmond only stopped the loop temporarily…and allowed the plane in, then the loop started again, but now with the 815rs.
Comment 411, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
Agreed on all points. IMO, helping protect the island is not the same as being the leader.
Comment 412, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
Which is exactly why I said:
“Constants were needed when the concious TT was out of control, so I associate the same syptom to the out of control physical TT.”
By out of control physical TT, I mean the skipping FDW.
Comment 413, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Hammer please read comment 408 and explain to me why you would relate the two different time travels? One was actual people travelling through time and the other, Desmond, the rat, Theresa, the many freighter folks who’s only form of time travel was there concious minds which is where the need for constants was brought up. Daniel clearly stated in an episode this year that he believed that the nosebleeds were a result of previous time spent on the island. He mentioned nothing during this time about the need for constants to help stop the dangers associated with temporal displacement. Why would he not mention it or say something about him not having nosebleeds because of his past experience with Desmond. The constantthing has been blow out of porpotion. It was only mentioned during Desmonds MIND travelling to 1996 to meet with Daniel and no other time. People just want to associate it with the other form of time travel to just simply explain things away but it seems way more important than that. Once again, Daniel would/should have explained the need for constants if he thought it would help stop what was happening.
Comment 414, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
Personally, I think that *if* the two kinds of nosebleeds were NOT related, the writers would have used some OTHER way to show temporal displacement in ONE of the instances. For example, Desmond and Minkowski could have lost hair or turned green through consciousness travel temporal displacement.
Because the writers show that TD in consciousness travel AND with time travel BOTH incur nosebleeds, I think it is important. The fact that Daniel didn’t get nosebleeds might be because he was never on the island before (he said himself that it might have to do with how long you’ve been on the island – which in LIKELIHOOD was meant to throw us off), or it might be because he was the only person who HAD been on the island to have contact with his (pre-determined) constant.
JMO
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Comment 415, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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wally p wrote:
There was? I know there was an “incident” but that was why the button pushing was first introduced.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Incident
Inman was the one who pushed the button b4 Des arrived.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Inman
Comment 417, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
wally p wrote:
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A little more on Charle’s statement and sorry if this was brought up during that episodes thread, but JMO reading about it here…..
Do you think that “they protected the island for 30 years,” would have ended when Dharma people decided to move in? So they only protected it for 30 years before Dharma.
Also let’s say he was a leader for 30 years, he could have been a born leader. Depending how they look at their so called leaders, I don’t think it has to be like the military. Princes are born to be kings and can become a king from a very young age. Probably born in 1942, he would leave the island in around 72.
Then again, for all we know, Charles was NEVER the leader, but was SUPPOSED to be and he just keeps saying that cause he sees himself as the leader and Ben took over and he is mad.
Point is it’s all specualation and we don’t really know for sure what Charles meant by his statement. Him saying they protected the island for 30 years could be that the “Others” protected it and he was part of that for a little bit of time. If what he is saying is true, then who protected it before them?
Who is Hanso and when are we gonna meet him?
Comment 419, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke, you also have no proof that they are not related….it’s a theory and you can’t change my mind…only the show can.
Comment 420, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
Except, as PJ stated, for the nosebleeds. Which I agree with. Good point PJ.
Comment 421, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Also the fact that just before Charlotte died, she began concious TT too.
Comment 422, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
My take on Richard’s knowledge about Locke TT and thus needing to give him the compass, is that a conversation takes place (which we have yet to see, or may never see the actual conversation and it will be left for us to assume and debate) between Locke and him sometime post 2007. Something like:
Locke: So the amazing thing was that right before Ethan was going to finish me off, I flashed and was laid in the clearing and in those few minutes laid there, YOU showed up, bandaged me up, and told me to give you that compass.
Richard: I showed up? How did I know you were there?
Locke: That’s not important, the important thing is you MUST give me this compass so that I can give it to you, when I flash back to 1954, to prove that I already know who you are, and that I’m sent from Jacob.
(And thus a chicken and egg paradox is again created).
Comment 423, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Ok, thats who I thought he was. I agree about the incident. I’m saying that when the 815 crashed Desmond came close to not pressing the button, but he still pushed it. Maybe something similar happened when Danielle arrived there (Radzinsky missed it), and Kelvin, and maybe even Desmond. (although Kelvin could have been associated with Dharma and brought in by sub like Juliet- think it was ‘91, and who knows with Desmond.)
Comment 424, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Not trying to change the almighty Hammer’s mind. I guess I just need more proof in some things that people just take for granted. Like the TT affecting people the same way, the need for people who time travel physically needing a constant, and Hawking being Faraday’s mother. Sorry if I am not so easily swayed by the all knowing, all mighty Hammer’s OPINIONS. :P
I do not recall Desmond, the rat Eloise, Theresa, or any of the affected freighter folks having nosebleeds which I may be wrong about but the lack of nosebleeds would lead me to believe that the TT’s are somewhat different in how they affect someone.
Comment 425, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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That is your opinion that Charlotte concious TT as she began to die. I think it was more simply a memories that she was recalling you because Faraday has said that what happens happens so her memory that a crazy man told her never to come back had already happened. The problem with this blog is everyone bows down at the almighty Hammer’s four toed feet and worships everything the kid says. Hmm…kinda like some losties do with the almighty Faraday. :P
Comment 426, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I too am sorry that I am not swayed by the almight Duke’s opinions and his greater ability to resist believing what is been put in front of him.
Comment 427, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I think we are pretty much assured another wheel turn, and thus time skip. 1) I think Jin and Sun have to reunite, 2) I don’t think the Losties die in the purge, 3) Widmore is supposedly tricked into leaving the island, and I’m guessing that trick has something to do with turning the wheel.
Comment 428, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Time–it’s like a street, all right? We can move forward on that street, we can move in reverse, but we cannot ever create a new street. If we try to do anything different, we will fail every time. Whatever happened, happened.
I just read that. Thought I would refresh minds LOL.
Comment 429, posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
FWIW, Tasha, that “street” has also been called a “string” and a “stream” depending on whose transcript you look at. Personally, I like the string analogy, because you can move a string more easily than a street or a stream *g*.
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