2. The identity of Jacob doesn’t play a role in this season. He could be anybody or anything.

3. Alpert did not age. His speech and mannerisms are contemporary, even when he first met Ben. It’s hard to believe that he’s from the Black Rock, even harder to believe he’s a native of the island.

1. That cat is out of the bag, courtesy of Michael Emerson.

That’s what I was gonna say! Guess we all know:(

“2. Who, or what, is Jacob?”
-> It seems that Jacob was an “imaginary friend” of Ben created in his mind in his solitary and troubled youth… The voice, was himself, calling from help from bellow his insanity.

“3. Bad make-up job or Island time? One of the more interesting parts of this episode for me was that we now understand there is an additional level of history to the Island, via the Hostiles. How long has Richard Alpert been on the Island and how old is he?”
-> No mistake, sure.. The original Others (there are “other” Others, like Ben and Juliet, recruited from the outside) can never get old… Immortal? Survivors from the ancient civilization (Mu?) on the Island that left the Statue with 4 fingers (how many they have?…), the ruinned house on the fake Others city and the column temple where Ben hanged Cooper… Being very old, these “original Others” could be anti-tech, using supernatural powers and not recognizing the benefits of the technologu, the cause of the armagedeon of their world?

We all think that streaming TV on your cell phone is high tech. Way in the future you won’t need hardware to do this–it’ll all be done in your brain.

What I’m saying is that the natives could be a very advanced people who don’t use gadgets to create images. The island or something can create images of dead people. The natives might have thought the Dharmites were abusing the powers of the island which is why they wanted to knock heads with them.

Some have stated that Locke and Jacob look the same, are they? or since we don’t truly know Locke’s heritage, is it possible that Jacob is an ancestor of Locke?

By the way, I’m in the “it’s Locke in a different timeline” camp.

As for the Albert’s aging, have we gotten about Joop, the orangutan, which was a byproduct of Hanso’s life-extension project we learned about from the online Lost Experience game? Either Dharma developed this technology or it’s one of the mysteries of the island.

I am still trying to figure out how Cindy, the flight attendant, got involved with the others. She was on flight 815 as other survivors confirmed. But Cindy was in fact “the others”. So does it mean that they knew that Cindy would survive the crash, or Cindy became “the others” after she arrived the island??? Or is she like Richard who can travel back and forth between the island and outside world?

The producers (CC?) said that there was no such thing as “time travel” on Lost… So, my gess is that she is a “converted” like Ben, Juliet (in a way), some others (like Mikail, which is on the Island only by 11 years) and Alex and hers boyfriend… captured as children and now members of the Others.

1. That cat is out of the bag, courtesy of Michael Emerson.

2. The identity of Jacob doesn’t play a role in this season. He could be anybody or anything.

3. Alpert did not age. His speech and mannerisms are contemporary, even when he first met Ben. It’s hard to believe that he’s from the Black Rock, even harder to believe he’s a native of the island.

Yeah it was cool when Ben asked Richard “You do remember Birthdays don’t you Richard.”

Bizzy wrote:

1. That cat is out of the bag, courtesy of Michael Emerson.

2. The identity of Jacob doesn’t play a role in this season. He could be anybody or anything.

3. Alpert did not age. His speech and mannerisms are contemporary, even when he first met Ben. It’s hard to believe that he’s from the Black Rock, even harder to believe he’s a native of the island.

Yeah it was cool when Ben asked Richard “You do remember Birthdays don’t you Richard.”

Exactly. That was a clear clue about the how old are the “real Others”… Probably contemporaries of the Statue…

Who or What is Jacob? Jacob did not appear in the chair until after Locke heard him and then the entire “had your fun” sequence seemed very dream-like, similar to the sweat lodge footage. (I expected the whole house to go up in flames when the lantern crashed to the floor and I still wonder why it did not.) Jacob appeared to look very much like John Locke wearing Richard Alpert’s pre-purge hair and clothing but with Ben’s nose! Sticking with my Jacob is the island mantra, it appears he is one of many personifications of the island and that includes Smokey. It means Yemi was actually Jacob, as was Ben’s mother and Kate’s horse. Perhaps the reason he looked like several people (Locke, Alpert and Ben) is because Ben has disabled him in some manner and he cannot manifest properly. That could explain the circle of ash or salt (or ground sage???) outside.

Bad make-up? Not a chance, it was way too obvious and Roger the janitor clearly aged (and not too well either). I believe the Hostiles age very, very slowly because they are natives and therefore part of the island. (Ben wants to be a native so bad he can taste it!) It appears the natives have the ability to cross different time dimenisons too. I am guessing a native woman has no problem with her pregnancy and the island ages visitors (non-natives)more quickly.

We paid little attention to the beach crowd this time but when Jack and Juliet returned to face the angry mob, the right side uf Jules’ face appeared as if she had been in a fight.

Great comments all!

Is Locke dead? I don’t think so but he wants Ben to believe that he is or at least that he is dying. (Funny that Ben threatened to shoot him again to find out what Jacob said - maybe Ben does not want him to die because he knows that will change Jacob’s power.) After coming out of Jacob’s house Ben looked very shook up and perhaps was not thinking about Locke’s missing kidney. Then again if he wanted him dead wouldn’t he shoot him in the head like the other corpse? He knows John heals is he simply making a power play? Would Jacob kill Ben if he killed Locke?

Who or What is Jacob? Jacob did not appear in the chair until after Locke heard him and then the entire “had your fun” sequence seemed very dream-like, similar to the sweat lodge footage. (I expected the whole house to go up in flames when the lantern crashed to the floor and I still wonder why it did not.) Jacob appeared to look very much like John Locke wearing Richard Alpert’s pre-purge hair and clothing but with Ben’s nose! Sticking with my Jacob is the island mantra, it appears he is one of many personifications of the island and that includes Smokey. It means Yemi was actually Jacob, as was Ben’s mother and Kate’s horse. Perhaps the reason he looked like several people (Locke, Alpert and Ben) is because Ben has disabled him in some manner and he cannot manifest properly. That could explain the circle of ash or salt (or ground sage???) outside.

Bad make-up? Not a chance, it was way too obvious and Roger the janitor clearly aged (and not too well either). I believe the Hostiles age very, very slowly because they are natives and therefore part of the island. (Ben wants to be a native so bad he can taste it!) It appears the natives have the ability to cross different time dimenisons too. I am guessing a native woman has no problem with her pregnancy and the island ages visitors (non-natives)more quickly.

We paid little attention to the beach crowd this time but when Jack and Juliet returned to face the angry mob, the right side uf Jules’ face appeared as if she had been in a fight.

Great comments all!

-> That I didn´t think! Could Jacob be really… The Monster? Is Ben and all the Others taking orders from “Smokey”? That will explain Ben´s afraid from Jacob (he seems very sure of himself normaly), and also why Richard listen Ben (as a young) so carefully when he told him the vision of his mother (the Monster, certainly).

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Another idea is that ‘LOST’ refers to one of the lost tribes of Israel(Jacob), who possibly took with them the magical ‘Box’-the Ark of the Covenant. Also ’smokey’ could be the presense of the ‘Angel of Death’ that went thoughtout Egypt killing the first born children, as shown in the bibles book of Exodus.
“The phrase Ten LOST Tribes of Israel(Jacob) refers to the ancient Tribes of Israel that disappeared from the Biblical account after the Kingdom of Israel was totally destroyed, enslaved and exiled by ancient Assyria. Many groups of Jews have doctrines concerning the continued hidden existence or future public return of these tribes.”

“go to Jeremiah 31. This chapter is about those Lost Tribes, The “isles(Islands) afar off”-is where it makes reference that they went too.

Also the soon to be erupting volcano theme, ties in with God’s revealed presense on top of Mount Zion, his appearance resembled an erupting volcano, with all the ground rumblings and flashes of lightening, as also shown in the bibles book of Exodus.

There are so many people that blog that can type down their thoughts better than I can, please be kind:)

If Locke can liberate Jacob, Ben is definitely toast.

I wonder if Ben tested Walt, to see if he could hear or see Jacob. Maybe that’s why he was sent away from the island.

If Ben could lie about being born on the island, why can’t Rousseau lie about her story? I bet she knows about Ben and hates him for what he did in the purge. Patchy has a good deal. The island gives him power to be healed and to heal (Naomi). Rousseau cut him off when he was about to tell Locke that the Locke he knew was para….

My explanation for the scene with Jacob is as follows; the way I see it - there are 3 possible explanations that seem reasonable for me:

1. Jacob Exists. The figure we saw briefly in the chair seems to demonstrate that. The shaking and the noise and people getting thrown around - well - none of that persuaded me that anything other than the island just being the island was in effect - but actually SEEING Jacob for a second indicates he MIGHT be real.

2. Jacob is a ‘tangible’ fiction created by Ben, and given presence by Ben’s ability to channel some of the island’s power.

3. Jacob is a ‘tangible’ fiction created UNCONSCIOUSLY by Ben who basically has multiple personality disorder, and has, WITHOUT BEING AWARE OF IT - created the Jacob character and provides it with presence and kinesis by channeling some of the islands power.

Now - as for Theory #1:

Nope. I don’t think so. If this were true, if Ben absolutely and totally believed that Jacob were real, and KNEW IT beyond doubt. I suspect he would have MADE SURE that Locke was dead. He would not have shot him that rather non–lethal shot in the gut. Locke would indeed be DEAD. He isn’t, of this I have no doubt.

AND…

It’s not theory No.2 either. If Ben had consciously created the Jacob fiction, he would NOT have been desperate to find out what, if anything, Jacob had said to Locke. It would have been a non-issue. However, I believe his rather desperate curiosity was real. Therefore - Ben does NOT consciously know he has created the Jacob character.

HOWEVER - He suspects that that COULD be the case. Which leads me to conclude that theory #3 in this case is the one to bet on. Ben does NOT have direct awareness of the Jacob character he has created, and really does perceive him to be an external presence - however, he KNOWS that he might not quite be 100% sane, and suspects that he may have another personality, and is therefore QUITE eager to know what this personality might have told Locke. This is the only theory that both explains the apparition, Ben’s ignorance of what it told Locke, AND the fact that he did NOT make sure Locke was lethally wounded.

who or what is jacob: idk, i’ve heard lots of good theory’s but not one that’s convinced me to side with them yet. but if jacob is real, i think walt got sent away cuz he could hear/see jacob. jacob could be one elaborate hoax just like the wizard of oz. who thought the first time they watched The Wizard of Oz that the wizard was just gonna turn out to be a con?

bad makeup job or island time: island time. richard doesn’t age, there’s something about him that makes him not age. hopefully he’s not an alien.

mel: interesting idea about ben! maybe jacob was brought to the island dead, but became alive again (don’t know how else to say that), and is now the Jacob we see today! possibly what happened/what will happen to Christian. Ben did look spaced out after cumin from the cabin. i thought he was just shocked or still scared, but your idea is a LOT better!

CLEARLY OBVIOUS AINT IT????

ALSO, WALT GREW SO MUCH DIDNT HE IN A COUPLE WEEKS. SO MAYBE THE ISLAND DOESNT MAKE YOU AGE, HENCE WHY MUM’S CANY GIVE BIRTH CAUSE THE KID COULD BE DEFORMED FROM AGEING

Now when Locke comes stolling back into the Others’ camp, it’s going to be quite a sight. They’re going to realize he has more power than Ben. I don’t see Locke going back to the Losties, he doesn’t want to leave the island.

If Locke can liberate Jacob, Ben is definitely toast.

I wonder if Ben tested Walt, to see if he could hear or see Jacob. Maybe that’s why he was sent away from the island.

If Ben could lie about being born on the island, why can’t Rousseau lie about her story? I bet she knows about Ben and hates him for what he did in the purge. Patchy has a good deal. The island gives him power to be healed and to heal (Naomi). Rousseau cut him off when he was about to tell Locke that the Locke he knew was para….

I LIKE THE ROUSSEAU CUT HIM OFF BIT. I THINK DANIELLE IS AN OTHER, OR WAS AN OTHER N THEY KICKED HER OUT AND KEPT ALEX. THATS WHY THEY KEPT ALEX AS HER NAME, AND ROUSEAU WAS HAVING SECRET MEETINGS WITH ALEX AFTER BEING KICKED OUT TELLING HER THE OTHERS ARE BAD, THEN BEN TOLD ALEX THEY KKLLED ROUSSEAU

That fact that Ben can see dead people is really no big deal. The Losties do it all the time. Why is Ben considered so special?

And why are the Dharma kids allowed to eat all the Apollo bars they want? Does it contain a vaccine?

And why does a science teacher say that mixing water and bicarb causes a reaction? You need an acid like vinegar. Sorry for flying so OT, but I just watched the episode again.

Where did all the animals go?

If the non-aging is not deliberate, TPTB would have explained all out about it in their Podcast :P

Why do the Others trust Ben that Jacob exists if they’ve never seen or heard Jacob? What miracles were performed? The only one I can think of is Patchy surviving the sonic fence.

Mikail had said to Ben that he survived because the fence was in a “non lethal mode”. If spoken true (the producers said in a podcast that we can trust everything that Mikail says except his dharma membership), someone has place the sonic fence in that mode in order to him to survive, and that was not a miracle at all.

Patchy had told the Losties that Ben was not the real leader, but was someone who was great. So he must be convinced about Jacob. But how?

Rui: So then the question still stands. What is the basis of Ben’s power over the Others. How does he stand up against Isabel?

Patchy had told the Losties that Ben was not the real leader, but was someone who was great. So he must be convinced about Jacob. But how?

The Others seem not aware of the nature of the Monsters (accordingly to Juliet statements). Ben knows him… He had seen his mothers (a Monster impersonation) and the activity on Jacob´s house could be a monster manifestation… Perhaps Ben has some degree of control over Smokey and that - just that - could explain his ascendent over the Others group.

Bizzy wrote:

1. That cat is out of the bag, courtesy of Michael Emerson.

That’s what I was gonna say! Guess we all know:(

i know the spoiler rule, so could u tell me where i can find this info?

I know it’s been beaten to death and denied by the producers, but it’s hard for me to shake the Christianity angle–the image of and matter of which Locke carried his dead fathers body ala Jesus carrying his cross, now dying at the hands of a somewhat-ruler ala Pontius Pilate, being left for dead in a tomb/hole, it’s just too blatant for me to let go of. Of course, the actions don’t exactly follow the chronological order of the religion story, but it still seems to be there. I hope it’s not.

i hope not too, b/c it will upset many fans who do not beleive in those “stories”

also, it wouldn’t really make it a good mystery, if the whole series is about this, not a new story, you know?

Island time man, island time. Jacob is really Locke from the future. Thats why he is so important and knows the island so well and knows that the island is special…..TIME WARP MAN.

If it is Locke from the future why has he got hair?

Don’t watch unless you want to be spoiled!

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Don’t watch unless you want to be spoiled!

thanks bizzy!!

katesFriend: http://tinyurl.com/yrhjsw

Don’t watch unless you want to be spoiled!

that video was cool, interviewer was dumb tho, weird how emerson’s real life wife was his mom on show!

i dont think this is a spoiler, but if it is, sorry, u can delete it!!

One of the skulls in the pit had a bullet hole in it.

The red jars help trap Jacob.

What do you think?

Maybe the island has trapped Magnus because of his dirty deeds. No wonder he’s Ben buddy.

Maybe when he’s not smokie, he makes strawberry jam.

do you think Ben shot Locke only once to test Jacob, ie will Jacob save Locke. If so why has he focused in on Locke and not any of the other Losties?

Do you think Rousseau is Ben’s girlfriend who made the doll, that he warned her of the purge and thats why she is hiding out?

Also if the natives have purged the others then when is the fence still operational, especially if they don’t like technology?

I love this show.

The Lost island is mankind’s last hope for suvival on plantet Terra, according to the Valenzetti equation.

The island natives knew this, and they didn’t want the Dharmites dicking with their good thing, ultimately the survival of man.

Mankind is being reinvented on this island, but not according to Ben. I think you’ll eventually see Locke taking over the leadership, and Jack and Juliet doing the research.

The psychic who put Clair on the flight knew what role her son would play in creating a new population.

Ben is only a temporary solution–he got rid of the Dharmites. People like Desmond and Locke are the prophets.

This is like Earth 2.0, and all the traditions of the past are gone, including the religions. The new faith is based on organic technology.

i like mel’s idea - think it was mel’s :)- that jacob entered ben’s body & jacob killed locke, not ben.

my crazy theory on jacob: Since Jacob may not be real at all & the name of the ep is Wizard of Oz related, I thought I’d throw this one out here. I don’t think it has been discussed yet.
The title of the show was “Man Behind The Curtain”. Ben & Locke were only in 1 room. There appeared to be other rooms. Was there a man (Richard maybe?) in another room creating the voice, shot we see of Jacob (through like a hologram or something crazy like that), & shaking house? Ben wouldn’t let Locke take the flashlight in there were no lights on, cuz then all the props would be revieled. Jacob has been a hoax for many years & Richard told Ben & they together are Jacob. There once again is no Great & Powerful Oz, he’s just a hoax. L oh and this means he had a flyin monkey w/ him too!

Tasha wrote:

Bizzy wrote:

1. That cat is out of the bag, courtesy of Michael Emerson.

That’s what I was gonna say! Guess we all know:(

i know the spoiler rule, so could u tell me where i can find this info?

I was actually going to refer to Carlton. Anyhow…don’t click on this link unless you want to be spoiled!!!! It may not be a spoiler either, but nobody HAS to click on it. If it is I understand if it is deleted….

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Obviously, Locke is too integral a character for him to die so shittily. Aside from that I am intrigued to ponder whose side he’ll end up on in the “final” battle between the Others & the Losties. I wonder if he will in fact choose no side because he continues to follow his own path. It appears though, that the path he follows is leading him to a major show down with Ben over the leadership of the island’s communities.

Locke’s Not Dead (Yet):

Obviously, Locke is too integral a character for him to die so shittily. Aside from that I am intrigued to ponder whose side he’ll end up on in the “final” battle between the Others & the Losties. I wonder if he will in fact choose no side because he continues to follow his own path. It appears though, that the path he follows is leading him to a major show down with Ben over the leadership of the island’s communities.

well i think Locke will come out of the jungle to fight jack and ben, so he can choose who to be a leader for, the others or losty’s. thats after killing jack n bewn

He’s more or less a spiritual leader like a priest. This brings up the question, did Ben invent his own religion? When Karl was being brainwashed in Room 23 he was subjected to a voice which said something like God loves you like he loved Jacob. Notice the past tense of the verb.

Is the Jacob story phoney baloney or what? I would believe that Jack would think so.

I wonder if Jacob is an invention of the Hostiles, or a member of their merry band (assuming he was real at some point). Maybe that is how Ben was introduced to the idea of the whatever cultish religion they’re currently following. If Jacob is an invention of the Hostiles, it would explain why the Dharma purge was necessary. I imagine Ben, at some point highjacked their belief system, manipulating it for his own benefit, perhaps never really believing it himself only to discover that there were people on the island who really could experience whatever force Jacob is/represents. This is why he killed them, to protect himself and his power position among the camp. He is a disenchanted prophet who lost his ability to prophesy.

Two epi’s ago Lockes father bit him. Then last week we see him taking off the rag from around his hand and there is no wound.

Clearly Locke has the powers of the island looking after him. Also on the Podcast C. Cruz seemed to lead us in the direction of “Lockes not dead”

locke is not dead. he was shot on the left side of his abdomen. the fact that he has no left kidney will somehow save his life…the question is, ben knows john is “special” and he knows about the kidney, if he wanted him dead, he would have shot him multiple times or in the heart or head….and so why didn’t he???

I think Ben shooting Locke is his way of forcing Locke to action. No way, with everything that Ben knows about Locke, that Ben would expect Locke to be killed by that shot. Ben’s a liar yes, but he isn’t stupid. I’ll quote myself from the episode blog thread: It’s all still going according to Ben’s plan.

Rui Martin post #19: That says it all for the island time issue. There isn’t any reason for Ben to say that to Richard unles Richard no longer has birthdays. I think we need to consider if Ben said it sarcastically or not. Sort of a “haha - I still have birthdays and you don’t.” Living forever or aging really slowly might not necessarily be a good thing. The natives may think it more a curse than a blessing. Perhaps Locke is the one who can end it.

Richard’s ability to come and go from the island may explain his modernism despite the fact that he could be quite old.

Lost King post #30: Maybe Alex is the only child conceived on island and survive? I am not in the whole Annie is Danielle camp and still don’t think I am, but I am becoming more and more distrusting of Danielle’s story. Can’t wait to see what she’s going to blow up!

Roses12 post #44: so far, Ben only alludes to Jacob’s dislike of technology. Richard and the other natives at the camp don’t seem to have a problem with it.

One thing that bothers me about the episode is that it seems Ben gives in too easy to Locke’s request to be taken to Jacob: Locke asks, Ben say no, Locke says I’ll get somebody else to take me, Ben says he’ll do it. Was Ben afraid of some one else taking Locke to Jacob?

pandakim wrote:

One thing that bothers me about the episode is that it seems Ben gives in too easy to Locke’s request to be taken to Jacob: Locke asks, Ben say no, Locke says I’ll get somebody else to take me, Ben says he’ll do it. Was Ben afraid of some one else taking Locke to Jacob?

Maybe it is because there really is no tanglible Jacob that anyone else has ever seen so no one besides Ben could possibly take Locke there. If it is some kind of testing mechanism to see who Jacob will manifest too, then it explains why Alex gave Locke the gun. Others had been taken in the past and didn’t come back, not because Jacob killed them, but because Ben did.

#2.
I’m in 3 minds about jacob. 1)Christain Shepard
2) Island & smoke monster entity
Or as someone somwehere mentioned in a post…3)Jacob is Kelvin Des’s button pushing buddy. Plus he was making that map on the blast door. Interesting. I know everyone thinks he is dead from his & Des’s fight on the rocks but you know the healing properties are different so he could well be alive.
#3.
Alpert shown as a hostile is Richard Alpert’s dad. Way too many daddy issues on this rock so I think the aging thing is because he is not the same Alpert.

“Other stuff” (excuse the pun)
*I think Claire is going to be very interesting in the 4th Season. Christain’s Daughter, Jack’s Half Sister, Contact with psychics. as did Jack in Thailand..plus i’m still hung up on why Claire’s aunt (in the hospital room) hated Christain SO much. Got away from her cult leader eh?
* In room 23, the words on the screen say “God loves you as he loves Jacob” I think from memory but it’s the whispering backwards voice that has something to say. I would post what it says here but I saw that on a Youtube link so it could be considered a spoiler.
*Did anyone ever find out if the Mittelos Bioscience site was conneted to the show or just something a fan put together…just wondering.
*Did anyone notice that Samantha Mathis was the teacher in the volcano experiment scene plus she was the lady in the car when Roger rushed out of the bushes with Ben’s dying mum? Also, the bushes they rushed out of was nicely opposite a road sign that said “Portland”

I watched the episode for the third time after reading this post and was forced to pause during the scene after the purge. Ben returns to find his dharma colleagues dead, including Horace Godspeed. To me, it seemed that this dead Horace was definitely NOT 15 years older than the time we saw him greeting Ben and Roger to the island. He has changed slightly, but certainly no more than Richard did during this time. My questions: What was Horace’s involvement with Dharma?? Does the fact that he coincidentally met Roger at Ben’s birth relate to the psychic persuading Claire to board the plane?? And DOES THE FACT THAT HORACE DOESN’T AGE CONNECT THE DHARMA SCIENTISTS TO RICHARD’S TRIBE OF HOSTILES??

Wasn’t one of Dharma’s missions was to conduct experimentation on the extention of human life? What if the “natives” are really test subjects of the Dharma initiative who have had their lives artifically extended to the point that they seem to not age preceptably in 15-20 years? Maybe Goodspeed is his own test subject. And the reason that the other Others are hostile is that they have come to realize that “immortality” is immoral/impossible to cope with on a human scale. Isn’t that always the big plight of ficitonal vampires everywhere? Living forever sucks?

Incidentally, from a medical perspective, getting shot in an area a missing kidney is not a ticket to life. You’ve got a whole lot of intestines there, and your abdominal cavity really reacts badly to fecal contaminants. Locke will have to be rescued, I think. Perhaps Rousseau?

pandakim wrote:

One thing that bothers me about the episode is that it seems Ben gives in too easy to Locke’s request to be taken to Jacob: Locke asks, Ben say no, Locke says I’ll get somebody else to take me, Ben says he’ll do it. Was Ben afraid of some one else taking Locke to Jacob?

Ben didn’t give in ‘easily’ at all. He was outmaneuvered by Locke, and that gave me one hell of a good laugh. He did this by announcing in front of everybody that him and Ben were going to see Jacob. He guessed, obviously correctly, that the others are sick of Ben being the only one who gets to see Jacob, and that Ben seeming to ‘go back’ on a promise to see Jacob would cast more doubt on his position and weaken it.

He just played the exact right card at the exact right time. The Others suspect Ben is leading them down a false path, and are sick of the ‘unique’ relationship he claims to have with Jacob, and were more than happy to see somebody taking steps to resolve this. Especially when this ’somebody’ is Locke who they had been ‘waiting for’ and who had fulfilled his ‘task’ regarding Cooper.

Ben was completely check-mated. Which is why I got such a good laugh. If he had simply said “But Locke, I never agreed for us to go see Jacob” - it would’ve been the final straw for his now reluctant followers. He did his best to wriggle out of it, by claiming he had to deal with Mikhail first, but well, we all know how Locke dealt with THAT prospect of a delay…

Back near the beginning of these posts someone said Sawyer is going to die. Don’t say things like that!!! If you’ve heard it somewhere, it’s a spoiler and you shouldn’t refer to it. And if you’re just speculating, I don’t want to hear it! I loooove Sawyer. I can’t stand the idea of him dying. He, too, is integral to the show.

That has nothing to do with this thread. Though I appreciate the sentiment.

Sawyer is now a Lostie leader with a strong suspicion about Juliet. I don’t what annoys me worse, Juliet’s smirk or Kate’s rabbit teeth or Alpert’s eyeliner or Desmond’s panic attacks or veiny Jack face. I didn’t make this up, you can find this on LostPedia.