TMBTC Review – Episode 3-20
1 year, 8 months ago by NickRead more: Ben, Episode Thoughts, jacob, Locke
This is going to be our first attempt at providing an episodic review based on the commentary associated with The Man Behind The Curtain post (it’s not quite as easy as it would seem, summarizing 600 posts). We will take some direct reader commentary and then incorporate our own opinions, but this will definitely be a collaborative effort.
- Is Locke Dead? My opinion… no way! Locke is too important to the show in general and let us not forget that he was previously a paraplegic. I don’t think a single bullet will stop our fast-healing friend and neither do most of you, which is summarized by reader Bryce: “I seriously doubt that Locke is dead. First, why would the writers kill off a very popular character just one episode before the finale if they truly want him dead? Wouldn’t it make much more sense to build up the suspense with teasers saying that a fan favorite would die in the finale? Second, far too many issues with Locke and the Island are still up in the air; for being a fairly essential plot line, this is too quick of a way of tying off this story line. Third, and as with most of what I have to say this is just my opinion, I think the writers were in an odd position with Locke in these last couple of episodes. Obviously they want a major confrontation between the Others and the Losties, but whose side would Locke be on?”
- Who, or what, is Jacob? At this point we have seen the image of Jacob (which I think is too ambiguous to speculate the identity of the person in the photo), which would seemingly imply that he/it has some human form. From reader Mardacara “I think that Ben has entrapped Jacob, whatever he might actually be - a person caught in a parallel dimension or ghost or whatever - Jacob is clearly a power unto himself. I think that he is the link with the Island or that he knows how to manifest the Island’s powers. Ben is threatened because Locke, by being able to hear Jacob, could potentially communicate with Jacob and together they could collude to strip Ben from his place of power…”
I would tend to agree with this initial summarization of what Jacob might be, if we were 100% sure that the show in the cabin was not manufactured by Ben. I believe it is still possible that Jacob does not exist at all and that Ben uses the threat of Jacob to manipulate the people around him for his own nefarious reasons. Also, the initial concern from the Others/Hostiles, as well as Alex providing the gun to Locke prior to the journey, could lead one to believe that Ben has perhaps taken others to see Jacob before, and they did not return either. After all, there were a lot of corpses in that hole.
- Bad make-up job or Island time? One of the more interesting parts of this episode for me was that we now understand there is an additional level of history to the Island, via the Hostiles. How long has Richard Alpert been on the Island and how old is he? I do not think the lack of Alpert’s aging was a mistake by the producers. This would lead us to believe that the Island, or the medical research completed on the Island, has lead to the anti-aging characteristics that Alpert’s appearance would suggest. To take this one step further and I know this is minor, but Ben’s comment to Locke about Jacob not appreciating technology was peculiar to me as well. Flashlights were invented back in the 1890’s and are not something I think any of us would consider to be technologically advanced circa 2004. This could also be an implication of how long the hostiles/Jacob have been on the Island too.
Let’s keep the discussion within this post focused upon the three questions referenced above.
Comment 1, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Yeah…Locke’s not dead but I am not saying why or it may be considered a spoiler:( Or I am pretty sure he is not!
Comment 2, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
alpert’s non-aging is deliberate and NOT a makeup mistake. think about it - when alpert meet him, ben is a child. in current island time, ben is clearly older than alpert. if they wanted to show that alpert had aged, they would have cast a child to play his younger self.
Comment 3, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
1. That cat is out of the bag, courtesy of Michael Emerson.
2. The identity of Jacob doesn’t play a role in this season. He could be anybody or anything.
3. Alpert did not age. His speech and mannerisms are contemporary, even when he first met Ben. It’s hard to believe that he’s from the Black Rock, even harder to believe he’s a native of the island.
Comment 4, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Bizzy wrote:
That’s what I was gonna say! Guess we all know:(
Comment 5, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
“1. Is Locke Dead?”
-> He can´r be, I agree… Sawyer will dye in season 4, it was said… Jack will be dead before the end of the show, also… They can´t “kill” all the main characters without introducing new ones. And the flop that was Nikki and Paulo shows that the producers can´t compensate old-well-known characters with new… Locke must survive (he had previously recovered abnormaly fast from a wound in the leg), Sawyer recovered before very fast… The “island properties” studied by the Dharma?
“2. Who, or what, is Jacob?”
-> It seems that Jacob was an “imaginary friend” of Ben created in his mind in his solitary and troubled youth… The voice, was himself, calling from help from bellow his insanity.
“3. Bad make-up job or Island time? One of the more interesting parts of this episode for me was that we now understand there is an additional level of history to the Island, via the Hostiles. How long has Richard Alpert been on the Island and how old is he?”
-> No mistake, sure.. The original Others (there are “other” Others, like Ben and Juliet, recruited from the outside) can never get old… Immortal? Survivors from the ancient civilization (Mu?) on the Island that left the Statue with 4 fingers (how many they have?…), the ruinned house on the fake Others city and the column temple where Ben hanged Cooper… Being very old, these “original Others” could be anti-tech, using supernatural powers and not recognizing the benefits of the technologu, the cause of the armagedeon of their world?
Comment 6, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Regarding the benefits of technology.
We all think that streaming TV on your cell phone is high tech. Way in the future you won’t need hardware to do this–it’ll all be done in your brain.
What I’m saying is that the natives could be a very advanced people who don’t use gadgets to create images. The island or something can create images of dead people. The natives might have thought the Dharmites were abusing the powers of the island which is why they wanted to knock heads with them.
Comment 7, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
locke is not dead. he was shot on the left side of his abdomen. the fact that he has no left kidney will somehow save his life…the question is, ben knows john is “special” and he knows about the kidney, if he wanted him dead, he would have shot him multiple times or in the heart or head….and so why didn’t he???
Comment 8, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Like all of you i am pretty sure that Locke is not dead and i really hope he is not ;) But did you guys notice how Ben react after he shot locke when he learned that Jacob asked Locke to help him . I think Ben regretted shooting Locke afterwards
Comment 9, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Notice that before they enter Jacob’s cabin Ben says something to the effect of “Jacob feels the same way about technology as you do”.
Some have stated that Locke and Jacob look the same, are they? or since we don’t truly know Locke’s heritage, is it possible that Jacob is an ancestor of Locke?
Comment 10, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
On the topic of Jacob’s identity, I just gotta say KUDOS to the director/editor/cinematographer etc. Not only did they make it very clear that there was someone in the chair, but they also managed to make it unclear who it was, while still having Jacob look an awful lot like Locke, Christian Shepard, and maybe even Horace Goodspeed. And not quite right for any of them either. I figured the legions of photoshop-wielding, high definition-subscribing, obsessive-compulsive fans out there would have cracked the identity of Jacob in fifteen minutes. The fact that it’s still ambiguous is really impressive to me.
By the way, I’m in the “it’s Locke in a different timeline” camp.
Comment 11, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Island time man, island time. Jacob is really Locke from the future. Thats why he is so important and knows the island so well and knows that the island is special…..TIME WARP MAN.
Comment 12, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Great overview Nick. The same goes to those who provided insightful and sound comments.
As for the Albert’s aging, have we gotten about Joop, the orangutan, which was a byproduct of Hanso’s life-extension project we learned about from the online Lost Experience game? Either Dharma developed this technology or it’s one of the mysteries of the island.
Comment 13, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
I know it’s been beaten to death and denied by the producers, but it’s hard for me to shake the Christianity angle–the image of and matter of which Locke carried his dead fathers body ala Jesus carrying his cross, now dying at the hands of a somewhat-ruler ala Pontius Pilate, being left for dead in a tomb/hole, it’s just too blatant for me to let go of. Of course, the actions don’t exactly follow the chronological order of the religion story, but it still seems to be there. I hope it’s not.
Comment 14, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
I am still trying to figure out how Cindy, the flight attendant, got involved with the others. She was on flight 815 as other survivors confirmed. But Cindy was in fact “the others”. So does it mean that they knew that Cindy would survive the crash, or Cindy became “the others” after she arrived the island??? Or is she like Richard who can travel back and forth between the island and outside world?
Comment 15, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Mimi wrote:
The producers (CC?) said that there was no such thing as “time travel” on Lost… So, my gess is that she is a “converted” like Ben, Juliet (in a way), some others (like Mikail, which is on the Island only by 11 years) and Alex and hers boyfriend… captured as children and now members of the Others.
Comment 16, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
What about this informations on wikipedia…?”Benjamin was, according to the Book of Genesis, a son of Jacob, and the second (and final) son of Rachel, and the founder of the Israelite Tribe of Benjamin […].The Torah argues that Benjamin’s name arose when Jacob deliberately corrupted the name Benoni, the original name of Benjamin, since Benoni was an allusion to Rachel dying just after she had given birth, as it means son of my pain!!!”
Maybe the key of Lost is hidden into the Bible! For those of you that are expert in religion please tell us the truth!!! ciao
Comment 17, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Hey Will and Co. the new lost podcast is out. Just letting you know.
Comment 18, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Bizzy wrote:
Yeah it was cool when Ben asked Richard “You do remember Birthdays don’t you Richard.”
Comment 19, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
patience wrote:
Yeah it was cool when Ben asked Richard “You do remember Birthdays don’t you Richard.”
Exactly. That was a clear clue about the how old are the “real Others”… Probably contemporaries of the Statue…
Comment 20, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Is Locke dead? I don’t think so but he wants Ben to believe that he is or at least that he is dying. (Funny that Ben threatened to shoot him again to find out what Jacob said - maybe Ben does not want him to die because he knows that will change Jacob’s power.) After coming out of Jacob’s house Ben looked very shook up and perhaps was not thinking about Locke’s missing kidney. Then again if he wanted him dead wouldn’t he shoot him in the head like the other corpse? He knows John heals is he simply making a power play? Would Jacob kill Ben if he killed Locke?
Who or What is Jacob? Jacob did not appear in the chair until after Locke heard him and then the entire “had your fun” sequence seemed very dream-like, similar to the sweat lodge footage. (I expected the whole house to go up in flames when the lantern crashed to the floor and I still wonder why it did not.) Jacob appeared to look very much like John Locke wearing Richard Alpert’s pre-purge hair and clothing but with Ben’s nose! Sticking with my Jacob is the island mantra, it appears he is one of many personifications of the island and that includes Smokey. It means Yemi was actually Jacob, as was Ben’s mother and Kate’s horse. Perhaps the reason he looked like several people (Locke, Alpert and Ben) is because Ben has disabled him in some manner and he cannot manifest properly. That could explain the circle of ash or salt (or ground sage???) outside.
Bad make-up? Not a chance, it was way too obvious and Roger the janitor clearly aged (and not too well either). I believe the Hostiles age very, very slowly because they are natives and therefore part of the island. (Ben wants to be a native so bad he can taste it!) It appears the natives have the ability to cross different time dimenisons too. I am guessing a native woman has no problem with her pregnancy and the island ages visitors (non-natives)more quickly.
We paid little attention to the beach crowd this time but when Jack and Juliet returned to face the angry mob, the right side uf Jules’ face appeared as if she had been in a fight.
Great comments all!
Comment 21, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Lesley wrote:
-> That I didn´t think! Could Jacob be really… The Monster? Is Ben and all the Others taking orders from “Smokey”? That will explain Ben´s afraid from Jacob (he seems very sure of himself normaly), and also why Richard listen Ben (as a young) so carefully when he told him the vision of his mother (the Monster, certainly).
Comment 22, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
The whole premise for ‘Lost’, could be that the plane survivors are in an artificial reality type computer program(John Locke’s & Jacob’s dislike of modern technology may be leading them to the truth of exiting the artificial reality mind program that everyone is experiencing on the island). This could explain why visions of dead people and whispering voices are heard at different times in the jungle. These are the voices & appearances of those in the real world overseeing the plane crash survivor participants artificial reality game/experiment/escape from reality, that they all are either voluntarily or involuntarily partaking in. Remember the movies ‘eXistenZ’, and ‘Total Recall’, in the first movie the virtual reality participants had completely new identities and past lives created, and in the second Arnold Schwarzenegger’s character chose what type of adventure he wanted to have. Also a few episodes of the English comedy ‘Red Dwarf’ deal with the programs characters waking up from their Red Dwarf artificial reality game to discover they were supposedly different people to who they believed they were. Another episode of Red Dwarf deals with the characters knowingly entering an virtual reality game together; Where upon all their wishes are realized, however what was different from a Star Trek holodeck experience, they discovered that all of their secret, dark desires of failure and self loathing, came true in their experience in the artificial game.
One thing that could point toward this is the requirement by the ‘others’ when Juliet first entered the submarine to get to the island location, to be drug injected, and sleep to get to the ‘Wizard of Oz’-fantasy Island-’The plane, the plane, I see the plane arriving-Mr. Roarke(Ben)-the mysterious host of the Island, making all your wildest fantasies come true, which you only realise has happened when you reach the climatic end of the Island game. Also at the end of the ‘Wizard of Oz’, all the characters only realized at the end of their journey, they had achieved through their own hard exeriences what they all wished for the most.
Also when Locke accompanied Kate, Sayid and Rousseau on a mission to find and rescue Jack. The group came across a DHARMA Initiative station called the Flame, and a man inside with an eye patch. The man identified himself as Mikhail Bakunin, and claimed to be the last living member of the DHARMA Initiative, but he was soon discovered to be one of the Others. When the gunfight ensued, the ‘Other’ black lady demanded that eye patch Mikhail shoot and kill her. Why did this other lady demand eye patch man to do this and not be overly worried about her own death? No doubt she was fully aware that they are ‘all’ participants in a virtual reality type computer game, and at that point she wanted out of the game, and the only quick and easy way to exit the game is to be physically killed within the game. This would also explain why eye-patch man Mikhail was obviously definitely kill when Locke pushed him between two barrier pylons and he was subsequently killed by a sonic weapon. Then low and behold patch-man soon after is found running through the forest and stumbling onto some of the plane survivors, eye-patch man obviously decided he wanted to re-enter the virtual reality game, or maybe he was allowed to re-enter the game because Locke was breaking the rules of the game somehow. The question is, is their only ‘one’ winner to this ‘LOST’ game, and he who discovers all of the secrets, or the one big main secret, wins all of the 1 million dollar prize.
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Another idea is that ‘LOST’ refers to one of the lost tribes of Israel(Jacob), who possibly took with them the magical ‘Box’-the Ark of the Covenant. Also ’smokey’ could be the presense of the ‘Angel of Death’ that went thoughtout Egypt killing the first born children, as shown in the bibles book of Exodus.
“The phrase Ten LOST Tribes of Israel(Jacob) refers to the ancient Tribes of Israel that disappeared from the Biblical account after the Kingdom of Israel was totally destroyed, enslaved and exiled by ancient Assyria. Many groups of Jews have doctrines concerning the continued hidden existence or future public return of these tribes.”
“go to Jeremiah 31. This chapter is about those Lost Tribes, The “isles(Islands) afar off”-is where it makes reference that they went too.
Also the soon to be erupting volcano theme, ties in with God’s revealed presense on top of Mount Zion, his appearance resembled an erupting volcano, with all the ground rumblings and flashes of lightening, as also shown in the bibles book of Exodus.
Comment 23, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
what’s with all the people who post the same EXACT comments (as in, cut-and-pasted) on multiple blogs? I read like 3 or 4 blogs, and the comment above me, as well as someone else’s comment about “From Wikipedia, about the Tribes of Benjamin” comment, have showed up on all of them!
Comment 24, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
I want to know if anyone has any thoughts on what would happen if a dead body came to the island? (Jacks dad) Just wondering if any one has any comments of that. The voice sounds sooo much like Christian. Also, when I went back and paused where the person was sitting in the chair(creepy) right before that when Ben was thrown up against the wall it sounded like a gun shot. I thought that was a strange sound to be used given what later happened. Is it possible for Jacob to enter into someones body given the right person come along? I think Ben looked very strang when he come out of there. Also the lantern that started the fire he was holding it and I would like it would be rather hot.
There are so many people that blog that can type down their thoughts better than I can, please be kind:)
Comment 25, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Now when Locke comes stolling back into the Others’ camp, it’s going to be quite a sight. They’re going to realize he has more power than Ben. I don’t see Locke going back to the Losties, he doesn’t want to leave the island.
If Locke can liberate Jacob, Ben is definitely toast.
I wonder if Ben tested Walt, to see if he could hear or see Jacob. Maybe that’s why he was sent away from the island.
If Ben could lie about being born on the island, why can’t Rousseau lie about her story? I bet she knows about Ben and hates him for what he did in the purge. Patchy has a good deal. The island gives him power to be healed and to heal (Naomi). Rousseau cut him off when he was about to tell Locke that the Locke he knew was para….
Comment 26, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Republishing my thoughts regarding Jacob from the previous blog post, since it seems to fulfill the criteria of being focused on the 2nd question here, so here it goes:
My explanation for the scene with Jacob is as follows; the way I see it - there are 3 possible explanations that seem reasonable for me:
1. Jacob Exists. The figure we saw briefly in the chair seems to demonstrate that. The shaking and the noise and people getting thrown around - well - none of that persuaded me that anything other than the island just being the island was in effect - but actually SEEING Jacob for a second indicates he MIGHT be real.
2. Jacob is a ‘tangible’ fiction created by Ben, and given presence by Ben’s ability to channel some of the island’s power.
3. Jacob is a ‘tangible’ fiction created UNCONSCIOUSLY by Ben who basically has multiple personality disorder, and has, WITHOUT BEING AWARE OF IT - created the Jacob character and provides it with presence and kinesis by channeling some of the islands power.
Now - as for Theory #1:
Nope. I don’t think so. If this were true, if Ben absolutely and totally believed that Jacob were real, and KNEW IT beyond doubt. I suspect he would have MADE SURE that Locke was dead. He would not have shot him that rather non–lethal shot in the gut. Locke would indeed be DEAD. He isn’t, of this I have no doubt.
AND…
It’s not theory No.2 either. If Ben had consciously created the Jacob fiction, he would NOT have been desperate to find out what, if anything, Jacob had said to Locke. It would have been a non-issue. However, I believe his rather desperate curiosity was real. Therefore - Ben does NOT consciously know he has created the Jacob character.
HOWEVER - He suspects that that COULD be the case. Which leads me to conclude that theory #3 in this case is the one to bet on. Ben does NOT have direct awareness of the Jacob character he has created, and really does perceive him to be an external presence - however, he KNOWS that he might not quite be 100% sane, and suspects that he may have another personality, and is therefore QUITE eager to know what this personality might have told Locke. This is the only theory that both explains the apparition, Ben’s ignorance of what it told Locke, AND the fact that he did NOT make sure Locke was lethally wounded.
Comment 27, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
is locke dead: not ready to take a side.
who or what is jacob: idk, i’ve heard lots of good theory’s but not one that’s convinced me to side with them yet. but if jacob is real, i think walt got sent away cuz he could hear/see jacob. jacob could be one elaborate hoax just like the wizard of oz. who thought the first time they watched The Wizard of Oz that the wizard was just gonna turn out to be a con?
bad makeup job or island time: island time. richard doesn’t age, there’s something about him that makes him not age. hopefully he’s not an alien.
mel: interesting idea about ben! maybe jacob was brought to the island dead, but became alive again (don’t know how else to say that), and is now the Jacob we see today! possibly what happened/what will happen to Christian. Ben did look spaced out after cumin from the cabin. i thought he was just shocked or still scared, but your idea is a LOT better!
Comment 28, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
guys, LOCKE WAS SHOT WHERE HE HAS NO KIDNEY. SO THE ISLAND WILL HEAL HIS SKIN WOUND, AND HE WILL CLIMB OUT AND RUN AROUND THE JUNGLE.
CLEARLY OBVIOUS AINT IT????
Comment 29, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
+ WHAT IF WHEN THE LIGHT HIT JACOB EVERYONE WHO’S NOT SPECIAL CAN SEE HIM???
ALSO, WALT GREW SO MUCH DIDNT HE IN A COUPLE WEEKS. SO MAYBE THE ISLAND DOESNT MAKE YOU AGE, HENCE WHY MUM’S CANY GIVE BIRTH CAUSE THE KID COULD BE DEFORMED FROM AGEING
Comment 30, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Bizzy wrote:
I LIKE THE ROUSSEAU CUT HIM OFF BIT. I THINK DANIELLE IS AN OTHER, OR WAS AN OTHER N THEY KICKED HER OUT AND KEPT ALEX. THATS WHY THEY KEPT ALEX AS HER NAME, AND ROUSEAU WAS HAVING SECRET MEETINGS WITH ALEX AFTER BEING KICKED OUT TELLING HER THE OTHERS ARE BAD, THEN BEN TOLD ALEX THEY KKLLED ROUSSEAU
Comment 31, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Why do the Others trust Ben that Jacob exists if they’ve never seen or heard Jacob? What miracles were performed? The only one I can think of is Patchy surviving the sonic fence. Why is Ben the leader?
That fact that Ben can see dead people is really no big deal. The Losties do it all the time. Why is Ben considered so special?
And why are the Dharma kids allowed to eat all the Apollo bars they want? Does it contain a vaccine?
And why does a science teacher say that mixing water and bicarb causes a reaction? You need an acid like vinegar. Sorry for flying so OT, but I just watched the episode again.
Where did all the animals go?
Comment 32, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
>>Bad make-up job or Island time?
If the non-aging is not deliberate, TPTB would have explained all out about it in their Podcast :P
Comment 33, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Bizzy wrote:
Mikail had said to Ben that he survived because the fence was in a “non lethal mode”. If spoken true (the producers said in a podcast that we can trust everything that Mikail says except his dharma membership), someone has place the sonic fence in that mode in order to him to survive, and that was not a miracle at all.
Comment 34, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Rui: So then the question still stands. What is the basis of Ben’s power over the Others. How does he stand up against Isabel?
Patchy had told the Losties that Ben was not the real leader, but was someone who was great. So he must be convinced about Jacob. But how?
Comment 35, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Bizzy wrote:
The Others seem not aware of the nature of the Monsters (accordingly to Juliet statements). Ben knows him… He had seen his mothers (a Monster impersonation) and the activity on Jacob´s house could be a monster manifestation… Perhaps Ben has some degree of control over Smokey and that - just that - could explain his ascendent over the Others group.
Comment 36, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
That’s what I was gonna say! Guess we all know:(
i know the spoiler rule, so could u tell me where i can find this info?
Comment 37, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Zach wrote:
i hope not too, b/c it will upset many fans who do not beleive in those “stories”
also, it wouldn’t really make it a good mystery, if the whole series is about this, not a new story, you know?
Comment 38, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
cazzie wrote:
If it is Locke from the future why has he got hair?
Comment 39, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend: http://tinyurl.com/yrhjsw
Don’t watch unless you want to be spoiled!
Comment 40, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Bizzy wrote:
thanks bizzy!!
Comment 41, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Bizzy wrote:
that video was cool, interviewer was dumb tho, weird how emerson’s real life wife was his mom on show!
i dont think this is a spoiler, but if it is, sorry, u can delete it!!
Comment 42, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
It looks to me like Jacb is a pirate, possibly from the Black Rock…check out his shirt, kinda look slike a pirate shirt.
One of the skulls in the pit had a bullet hole in it.
The red jars help trap Jacob.
What do you think?
Comment 43, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Sal: I don’t know if the Black Rock was a pirate ship. I know it was a slave ship with Magnus Hanso as the captain. Maybe Alpert was on that ship, although he doesn’t talk like someone from the 19th century.
Maybe the island has trapped Magnus because of his dirty deeds. No wonder he’s Ben buddy.
Maybe when he’s not smokie, he makes strawberry jam.
Comment 44, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
The idea that Jacob takes the form of Locke and reveals the future to Locke (gun shot, help me) is interesting.
do you think Ben shot Locke only once to test Jacob, ie will Jacob save Locke. If so why has he focused in on Locke and not any of the other Losties?
Do you think Rousseau is Ben’s girlfriend who made the doll, that he warned her of the purge and thats why she is hiding out?
Also if the natives have purged the others then when is the fence still operational, especially if they don’t like technology?
I love this show.
Comment 45, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
I think that it’s standard that sci-fi stories are always very ambitious. It’s always about saving the earth and/or mankind. It’s never about reducing your monthly cell phone bill.
The Lost island is mankind’s last hope for suvival on plantet Terra, according to the Valenzetti equation.
The island natives knew this, and they didn’t want the Dharmites dicking with their good thing, ultimately the survival of man.
Mankind is being reinvented on this island, but not according to Ben. I think you’ll eventually see Locke taking over the leadership, and Jack and Juliet doing the research.
The psychic who put Clair on the flight knew what role her son would play in creating a new population.
Ben is only a temporary solution–he got rid of the Dharmites. People like Desmond and Locke are the prophets.
This is like Earth 2.0, and all the traditions of the past are gone, including the religions. The new faith is based on organic technology.
Comment 46, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
I think something with Locke and Jacob will come up andf I think Jacob will save his life and tell some more origins but i dont think that will show up till Season 4
Comment 47, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Someone brought up Clair and the psychic, I wanted to bring this up before, so here it goes…. I’m pretty sure the psychic told her not to let others raise her child. At the time I just thought he meant don’t let anyone adopt the baby, raise it yourself. I heard before that people have thought that the psychic was in on it, but it might be that he was warning her, why would the others warn her about themselves? Just something that has been bugging me and I hope someone can shed a little light (and not from a flashlight please!)
Comment 48, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Off topic, but does anyone know about the whispers in the jungle that young Ben heard right before he meets Richard? Has anyone anaylzed them? I’d be curious to read a transcript of those whispers.
Comment 49, posted 1 year, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
claire’s phsycic: i agree with charlie on that one. he knew. he knew that if claire was on the plane, even tho she would be in a plane crash & stuck on the island forever she would be forced to raise the baby herself. there was no couple in LA he just wanted her to raise the baby.
i like mel’s idea - think it was mel’s :)- that jacob entered ben’s body & jacob killed locke, not ben.
my crazy theory on jacob: Since Jacob may not be real at all & the name of the ep is Wizard of Oz related, I thought I’d throw this one out here. I don’t think it has been discussed yet.
The title of the show was “Man Behind The Curtain”. Ben & Locke were only in 1 room. There appeared to be other rooms. Was there a man (Richard maybe?) in another room creating the voice, shot we see of Jacob (through like a hologram or something crazy like that), & shaking house? Ben wouldn’t let Locke take the flashlight in there were no lights on, cuz then all the props would be revieled. Jacob has been a hoax for many years & Richard told Ben & they together are Jacob. There once again is no Great & Powerful Oz, he’s just a hoax. L oh and this means he had a flyin monkey w/ him too!
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katesFriend wrote:
That’s what I was gonna say! Guess we all know:(
i know the spoiler rule, so could u tell me where i can find this info?
I was actually going to refer to Carlton. Anyhow…don’t click on this link unless you want to be spoiled!!!! It may not be a spoiler either, but nobody HAS to click on it. If it is I understand if it is deleted….
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I watched the episode for the third time after reading this post and was forced to pause during the scene after the purge. Ben returns to find his dharma colleagues dead, including Horace Godspeed. To me, it seemed that this dead Horace was definitely NOT 15 years older than the time we saw him greeting Ben and Roger to the island. He has changed slightly, but certainly no more than Richard did during this time. My questions: What was Horace’s involvement with Dharma?? Does the fact that he coincidentally met Roger at Ben’s birth relate to the psychic persuading Claire to board the plane?? And DOES THE FACT THAT HORACE DOESN’T AGE CONNECT THE DHARMA SCIENTISTS TO RICHARD’S TRIBE OF HOSTILES??
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This might have been mentioned so apologies if so but I take it Ban cant hear (or maybe even see) Jacob otherwise he would have heard what he said to Locke!
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Locke’s Not Dead (Yet):
Obviously, Locke is too integral a character for him to die so shittily. Aside from that I am intrigued to ponder whose side he’ll end up on in the “final” battle between the Others & the Losties. I wonder if he will in fact choose no side because he continues to follow his own path. It appears though, that the path he follows is leading him to a major show down with Ben over the leadership of the island’s communities.
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Tina wrote:
well i think Locke will come out of the jungle to fight jack and ben, so he can choose who to be a leader for, the others or losty’s. thats after killing jack n bewn
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I don’t Locke’s personality makes him a good leader. He’s been too easily mislead by a number of people including Ben.
He’s more or less a spiritual leader like a priest. This brings up the question, did Ben invent his own religion? When Karl was being brainwashed in Room 23 he was subjected to a voice which said something like God loves you like he loved Jacob. Notice the past tense of the verb.
Is the Jacob story phoney baloney or what? I would believe that Jack would think so.
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