There’s No Place Like Home, Part 1
1 year, 10 months ago by WillRead more: Lost Episodes, season 4
Lost’s two part, three hour season finale begins tonight, and if last week was any indication, then the final 3 hours of Lost this season are going to be incredible. We get one hour tonight, followed by a two week break, then we get the remaining two hours of the finale. It is still difficult, at this point, to determine why only the six get off the Island – and further, why just those six. We will definitely start to get a clearer picture of that tonight.
Spoiler Warning
The showdown between the survivors and the freighter people begins.
A relatively vague (imagine that!) show description, but based on what I know the general flow of tonight’s episode and the finale will be about how the Oceanic Six get off the Island, along with flash forwards detailing their homecoming of sorts.
Episode Previews
Sneak Peeks: Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3 | Sneak Peek 4
Comment 1, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
The countdown begins! seven hours, nine minutes and fourteen seconds.
Tick
tick
tick
: ) P
Comment 2, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Instead of speculating & spoiling (no previews for me), I’ll just start with my finale wish:
1) I want to see the Others that went to the Temple get back in to the mix somehow.
2) I want more Orchid clues/insight.
3) I want Sawyer & Miles to do something brilliant together (soon).
4) I want Ben to pull off of his super-duper, aha, you all fell for it, plans.
5) I want a few more ideas about The Four-Toed Statue.
Comment 3, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
i DON’T want to wait 2 more weeks. bummer, i thought it was only 1
Comment 4, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I DON’T want to wait 2 more weeks; bummer I thought there was only 1 week in between…
Comment 5, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I DON’T want wait 2 more weeks-bummer I thought there was only 1 in between…
Comment 6, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I wonder if tonight’s episode will have the island be the present or the past….watch for those “whoosh” sounds.
Also, how long has it been since we have heard “PREVIOUSLY ON LOST”, I can’t remember, if not this week surely in 2 weeks.
Comment 7, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
There is only one week off. May 15- part 1
May 22- no show May 29-part 2 and 3
Comment 8, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
thank god:)
Comment 9, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
One Thursday “off” between the two parts of the episode, which means two weeks between episodes.
: ) P
Comment 10, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh how I wish we could have the whole 3 hours tonight, and that it would really be THREE COMMERCIAL FREE HOURS.
Comment 11, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
So, do you think we will FINALLY find out who is in that damn coffin tonight??? Yes, yes, i said the C word…i have this funny feeling that it’s going to be Locke. Not quite sure why or how,just a feeling I got today.
I’m also looking forward to finding out how the 6 actually get off the island and back home.
Will we see the Orchid tonight…find out where it is and see the inside?
And I’m with you DocH on fiding out where the Temple and the Others are.
Comment 12, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
i can’t wait for tonight’s episode.
this season has been really good so far and hopefully this episode will be just as great, with a little less comercials.
Comment 13, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I am interested to hear the top few items on everyone’s “Wish List” for the 3 season finale episodes. Stuff that will tide you over until Jan 2009… not the big stuff you want for the series finale – 37 episodes from now, but the smaller stuff.
Comment 14, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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OK, here’s mine:
1. What is the 4 toed stature?
2. What is the temple?
3. What happens to the people who stay on the island?
4. What are the back-stories for
a. Danielle
b. Any freighter tots
c. Richard Alpert
If we could find this out, I would be content for a (very) little while.
Comment 15, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
Good one. I’ll add this one to my list too. Seems like we got them tossed in our supper dish really early in the season, and we got all excited at the interesting new ‘kibble-n-bits’ they added to the show, but production really hasn’t returned/FB’d to any of them, except when we see Dan with FB Des in “The Constant’.
Comment 16, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
4) where are the children from flight 815?
8) what is the four-toed statue?
15) why does Alpert not age?
16) why does he wear so much eye-liner?
23) IS Charlie alive (you knew I would put that!)
42) why THESE numbers?
: ) P
Comment 17, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I am guessing they will keep us hooked on the “Numbers” for at least 35 more episodes.
As for the eye-liner, who knows? He may not have to wear it anymore… once he learns Tom is dead. (sorry… bad joke.)
Comment 18, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Bad, yes. But still funny!
: ) P
Comment 19, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Do we find out if Claire is dead?
What happens to Rose?
Comment 20, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
jaime brought up “the coffin” and i think that is a reference to the flash forward where jack went to a funeral home. i too have wondered who is in the coffin and i would assume(probably wrongly) that is one of the “oceanic six”. does any one else have any guesses or theories?
Comment 21, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
1.anything sawyer
2.sayid kicking ass
3 desmond surviving
Comment 22, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I wonder if Alpert has a murse???? ;P
Comment 23, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
1. How did Ben end up in The Sahara Desert in Oct 2005?
2. Who are “they” that Ben referred to when Hurley asked about the purge?
3. Is Hurley still rich?
4. Is DUI Jin REALLY dead?
5. Charlie’s corpse displayed for PJ :)
6. Anything “WAAAALT”, (except Michael screaming it of course)
My coffin guess is Desmond. I too wish for freighter backstories ( damn writer’s strike). They said in a podcast they got cut this year but were planning for next year.
Comment 24, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
firefly knight wrote:
The casket has been on everyones mind for a year… they may be bringing it back for finale time too. Hope they don’t tho. It’s been OA6 this year and we heard that two others survived the flight, but did not survive until rescue. That’s two we have to figure out plus the casket. Three bodies to account for???
I could see where Claire might show-up as MIA from the OA8.
Des and Michael are freighter-bound. I think you could rationalize that one of those two are in the casket, now that things are going poorly where they are. The casket scene is about three years into the future. Maybe the freighter is stuck in time that long, before it is recovered. Michael is known to the OA6 as a traitor… Des as a trusted friend. Why would no one go to Des’ memorial service? Unless he really messes things up on the freighter.
Comment 25, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I though they stated that we would know who is in the coffin by season’s end. Maybe not tonight though. Season 5 …. how does this person end up in the coffin.
Comment 26, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
In a podcast (the “Mother’s Day” one if I remember correctly), I believe D&C said that we WOULD have an answer to who is in the casket by the end of this season.
: ) P
Comment 27, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I will be REALLY disappointed if the vision of Claire and the baby getting on the helicopter does not come true because then Charlie died for absolutely nothing….of course we never saw the vision so maybe Desmond lied because HE wanted off the island!
Regardless I already am 99% sure she isn’t getting on no helicopter…so they better find a way to bring MY Charlie back!!
Comment 28, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
I thought we decided “Kevin Johnson” was in the coffin ???
Comment 29, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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I think it’s Michael for two reasons: 1) no one really cares for him because he left his friends with the scary others bound and with guns to their heads(which is why Kate said, “why would I go to HIS funeral?”) and 2) it’s in an African American neighborhood and he’s African American.
Comment 30, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I have to go by my memory because there are so many posts, but I’m pretty sure we discussed the newspaper clipping about the death that Jack had in the Season 3 finale and it had a “Jo” which some of us speculated was John Locke, but later learned of Michael’s new identity as Kevin Johnson, which Jack and Kate are privy to (somehow). The newspaper death announcement said he committed suicide (though it must have been a murder because we know Michael cannot commit suicide)…
Comment 31, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
1. I hate to really backtrack but I really want to know Libby’s story and why we saw her interact with several losties.
2. I also would like the tots back stories, especially Charlotte’s and Miles.
3. Of course, the coffin (I think it’s Michael/Kevin).
Comment 32, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I looked it up…
“The newspaper clipping is an obituary that Jack ripped out of the Los Angeles Times. The article is about a man from New York who was found dead in Los Angeles. He first notices it on a flight from Sydney to Los Angeles. The man in the article seems to be someone both Kate and Jack know as Kate does not want to go to the funeral. However, the producers have said (despite what some people have deciphered from the article) that it would be re-written.
Comment 33, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
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Well, at least he COULDN’T, but if the island is done with you, then who knows? But Michael has a mom and a son, so why wouldn’t ANYONE come to his funeral? I had thought too that it would be Michael, but now I really don’t know.
Comment 34, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
Because after the island “Michael goes to his mother’s house, who is caring for Walt. Michael’s mom doesn’t understand why they showed up at her house two months after the plane crash, and why she can’t tell anyone or call them by their real names. She also does not know why Walt is so distraught and having nightmares” (from Lostpedia).
Comment 35, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay, since we are talking about the coffing… I think it is Michael. I think he was finally able to do himself in. Whatever hold the island had may no longer be in effect, as Rita stated. No Walt or Mom? Maybe they didn’t know about it or maybe he has alienated (sp???) himself and they don’t want to go. My money is on Michael. RIP Michael!
Comment 36, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Ugh… coffin…. no coffing.
Comment 37, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Coffin. Not Coffing. Grrr! However, too much “coffing” can take you to the coffin. Yes?
Comment 38, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
It feels like they’re throwing us curveballs to take our minds off the 95 mph heater coming down the middle. You can bet the Kansas City Shuffle is coming and when it does we’ll all be caught off guard.
Comment 39, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
and the obit said the person was from new york, survived by a teenage son (walt)-the “moving of the island” might have ended the effect the island has on michael’s hurting himself…however that that takes place roughly 2-2 &1/2 yrs from now depending on hold you think aaron is when shown after the trial
Comment 40, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Could someone explain to me what the Orchid is? I haven’t heard anything about it until reading this and would like to know before tonights episode. Thanks!
Comment 41, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Easy:
1. Who are the Whisperers?
2. Who is doing the whispering?
3. Who whispers on the island?
:)
Comment 42, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
Re: New York… “Michael’s Oceanic plane tickets that he receives from Brian Porter are tickets for flights from Sydney to New York. He is the only character we know of that was on the plane but was not going to Los Angeles”.
My wish for tonight is no more curve balls. Just one hour of answers.
Comment 43, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
My wish for tonight is NO COMMERCIALS!!!
Comment 44, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Here’s my wish list:
I want Jack to find out Claire is his sister
I want to see Kate and Juliet to have a cat fight in the mud
I want Locke’s actions to be validated.
I want the Red Wings to win the cup!
Comment 45, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
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Well, maybe (if it is Michael) his mom doesn’t know he is dead. I can’t imagine her NOT coming if she were able to do so. She might have to say it is a family member, or make up a story, but she would be there, and Walt with her. Most likely she doesn’t know the name he has been using, and was not notified of the death. Even a confused and distraught mom is still a mom.
Comment 46, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
CAG wrote:
i don’t want to see kate and juliet have another cat fight in the mud (3rd season dude.) Boys…(rolls eyes) :)
Comment 47, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lostislife wrote:
During comic con, they released an new orientation video for the station called the Orchid. In quick terms, the Asian looking Doc is talking and holding a rabbit with the no. 15 painted on it. While he’s talking somthing happens and suddenly there is another rabbit with no. 15 on it. There is some yelling about who screwed up and not to let the rabbits near each other. People are assuming that the expirementing going on was time travel and someone messed up and overlapped times creating the same rabbit from two times appearing at the same time…….
Comment 48, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
KillerR wrote:
Yep, seems rather obvious that it’s Michael…but I’m hoping it’s the curve.
Comment 49, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lostislife wrote:
Here, you can see it for yourself:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tam391FwqHI&feature=related
It is also somewhere on the ABC website, but I don’t have time to look for it. THREE MINUTES!
: ) P
Comment 50, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
CAG wrote:
Oh, I want to copy off CAG…and add the Pistons. Deeeeeetroit baaaaskett baaaaaaall!!
Comment 51, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay, that’s the second time Dan used his trusty notebook to “learn” something about what’s going on….dude’s been here before…and by here I mean place and time.
Comment 52, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
WOWZER! The O6 on a plane! Whoo hoo!
: ) P
Comment 53, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay my anticipation to this new ep is *Killing* me… but alas…
I think the body in the coffin may be some one we have not yet met that maybe only Jack know (like some one on the freighter, Others at the temple, kids on the flight) that Kate never particularly feels close on island so doesn’t feel obliged to go to the funeral or something along those lines.
Comment 54, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
sayid is gonna save the day!!!!!
Comment 55, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Fantastic!
Comment 56, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
IT is 10:22 and we already have SO many answers!
: ) P
Comment 57, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Ok….CHARLIE died for NOTHING!!!!
Comment 58, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Kathy wrote:
I meant….
“…only Jack knows…”
“…and Kate never particularly feels close too while on-island…”
Comment 59, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
The cracker scene is almost as good as the candy bar scene.
Comment 60, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
thats what im talking about, Sun!!!!
Comment 61, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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yeah.
Comment 62, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
GO SUN! Kick some Daddy tooshie!
LOL
: ) P
ps – Hammer, I agree with the cracker thought *G*
Comment 63, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Damn it…teasing me with the whispers.
Comment 64, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Too many COMMERCIALS!
P
Comment 65, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
“son of a bitch”!!!
Comment 66, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Fantastic!!!
Comment 67, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
claire!!!
Comment 68, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay, if Jin = dead and Jin + extras = boat, and Keamy has a pulse monitor then Keamy dying = boat explosion. No?
How does Sun get off the freighter?
Comment 69, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Not so quick!
Comment 70, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow so Claire’s mom has no idea that is her grandson….that’s pretty sad. She was in a coma then lost her daughter…she has a right to know!!!!
Comment 71, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I’m sure Jack thinks that as well. Hard struggle there.
Comment 72, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow! Intense! I thought there were going to be whispers Hammer, sorry it didn’t turn out to be the right kind! Looks like the next ep in 2 weeks will be a cliff hanger for sure!
Too bad we didn’t get any tot FBs, but we DID get to see (sort of ) the orchid station (also the temple??).
Comment 73, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
LOL Hammer… you were being thought of during the “whisper” scene!!!
Great episode!!! I want more!!!
Comment 74, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
We’re still a long way from all six of the O6 being in one place at the same time. Sayid and Kate are captives of Mr. Eyeliner. Jack is with Sawyer somewhere else. Sun is on the freighter with Aaron. Hurley is outside the Orchid Station.
When I saw Jin on the Zodiac, I figured that Daniel would freak out and not want to take it back to the island again and that Jin would step in and do it and that is how he would end up separated from Sun. But obviously everything is still up for grabs.
: ) P
Comment 75, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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And there is your possible curve. Good ole KJ is on the boat when it blows?…..So who’s in the coffin?
Comment 76, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh my LORD! Flash back, flash forwards, and the present… MAN! I can’t wait until the 2 hour. I am glad Jack found out about Clair being is sister… So she isn’t dead? She is with Jack’s dad? Or IS she dead and that is why she is with her dad?
Maybe they move the island, the freighter finds it and Sun gets off right before the explosion which moves the island again.
I don’t like the Oceanic 6 Lie!
Comment 77, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
If Jin dies it would seem that Des dies too!! I hope that doesn’t happen without a Des/Penny reunion. I am trying to figure out how Sun is gonna get off that boat as well. Maybe she decides to use a tube or something and the helicopter flies over and sees her. Still I don’t think it’s actually gonna blow cause like I said….what happens to Desmond?
Comment 78, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
That episode was amazing. After Part II do we have to wait until January for the show to start again!? I don’t know if I can do that…
Wow. What an ending!
Comment 79, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Snaisy wrote:
Yeah I am hoping that gets answered. Why do they all lie anyway? I would want to find my husband unless I know he is dead….I just don’t understand why they lie or if they are told to do so, unless they are protecting the island and people on it.
Comment 80, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Future Sun is a bad ass
So is Ben kinda for walkin in the Orchid like that.
Seams like Jin actually dies tho kinda sad.
And if they have that HUGE army led by ageless emo eyeliner guy, why were they in hiding in the first place? i mean they outnumber Keamy’s guys like 15 to 1
Comment 81, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Much needs to unfold….but IMO Keamy will die and the boat will blow.
Comment 82, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That’s it! I was wondering what that thing on Keamy’s arm was
Comment 83, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I cheered again this week when I saw Alpert. Strange how this time it seemed like the Others are the cavalry riding to the rescue, whereas all the other times their appearance struck a chord of fear and dread.
I liked how they showed the O6 arriving in Hawaii, meeting their families, the press, etc, so they got those obligatory scenes out of the way. I prefer that to having that scene at the end of Part II.
I have to go back and rewatch the scene where the Oceanic rep explains how they “survived” and were found.
Comment 84, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
the orchid orientation film was on the season 3 boxed set. It is on the special features disc, which is hidden.
Also, all the explosives are wired to Keamy. His death would equal the explosion of the boat.
I was thinking that the finale for this season would be 06 getting off the island, looks like we will have something more shocking in store. I love and hate the season finales!
Comment 85, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Andrew wrote:
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The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big!
Comment 86, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
LOL I’ll still be interested in finding out what they were saying. I was expecting to see Charlie in that scene.
Comment 87, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
CAG wrote:
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Thats why he new the captain would not shot him. So Kemmy dies, The boat and everyone on it go.
Comment 88, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Here’s a thought…Do you think whenever they move the island…the four toed statue will move with it? Technically there are two islands to move, and the statue was not actually ON the island. If course everything inside the bubble would move not just the island right?
Also Ben tells Locke to go down the elevator and just walks off. He never told Locke what he was supposed to do when he got there. Or maybe he knows what he is supposed to do already from Jacob/Christian.
Comment 89, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Andrew: you’re funny! I agree though, the emo hippy kids dressed in brown come-out of nowhere. Where were they before? I need answers.
And why would the Oceanic 6 lie? I hope the people back on the island do not die. Hopefully they warp to a different time on the island. Since the island can move and all maybe the island can also allow alternate ‘island’ time zone where all the lost peeps (who we think are dead) can still live and come back to inform the LOST folks who are still alive in the messed up ‘time warp island’ and save the day. Maybe that is where the emo hippy others live on a regular basis.
Comment 90, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
HA Ha. I was looking for Charlie too! When I saw the coconut I was thinking of the time that he said…“Hey, man. You gonna put the lime in the coconut, drink ‘em both up?
Comment 91, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Can’t find a good anagram from Manukangga…anyone?
Comment 92, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
RD wrote:
That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.
Comment 93, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Andrew wrote:
They were at the “Temple” that is only for “us” according to Ben. Temple has to be a place or time that they can hide.
Comment 94, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree with you RD, the settlement would not be enough to buy into a major Korean company
Comment 95, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Funniest line in the episode:
Hurley’s Mom: “Jesus is not a weapon!”
Comment 96, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I loved the fact that Hurley asked Ben a million questions, and Ben actually answered most of them, albeit somewhat ambiguously at times.
I didn’t like the fact that Kate, Hurley and Sayid got a front row seat at Christian’s memorial service. Not very realistic – other family members or friends of Christian would have been in front of them. (yes I’m being nitpicky, but it just struck me as too “Hollywood-ish”)
Comment 97, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Great scene with Hurley and the restored car. Wasn’t that the car he was driving at the convenience store when he first flipped out when he saw Charley? Remember the earlier flash forward? If I am right, he must have changed his mind about the car.
Comment 98, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.
Comment 99, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost-on-mars wrote:
Yes, but if you can get five banks to back your bid….
Comment 100, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
The closest thing I came up with was something GUNMAN.
Comment 101, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I am sorry. I fell asleep. What did I miss? Did anyone get anything on their ‘Wish List’ answered?
Comment 102, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Most interesting line of the epi: “Jesus Christ is not a weapon.”
Comment 103, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Maybe.
It would be interesting to know more what the full story was of the discussion Sun interupted. Her dad and the two assistants where talking about some bank problem. May be a sign of further financial troubles for Sun’s dad.
Comment 104, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I don’t believe that for one second.
Comment 105, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Thanks for the response, Hammer. That makes sense. But still, wouldn’t he have to approve the amount of shares people are buying? Even if he has an agent acting on his behalf in the selling of the shares, wouldn’t that agent know enough to ensure that no one entity has more shares than Mr. Paik?
Comment 106, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
you’re joking right? that has to be a joke bcuz it’s impossible to fall asleep during lost!
(Others rock! I want to be an other! Why can’t I be an other?!?)
Comment 107, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
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That is what Paik was so angry about, no one was monitoring it….”How could this happen?”
Comment 108, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Speaking of Jesus Christ… I thought that statue looked like a gold painted version of the drug-filled statues that Charlie found from the plane. Anyone know where to see a screenshot?
: ) P
Comment 109, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
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They are looking better all the time! And we thought they were the bad guys!
Comment 110, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
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She might have already had a good amount of share being his daughter.
Comment 111, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
BTW, people buy shares all the time without the controlling member approving each sale. Look up hostile takeovers….
Comment 112, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Fine. I am at my Arizona house and the show starts… NOW.
Comment 113, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Yeah – that makes sense too – thanks again.
Comment 114, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
In the press conference, they blew off the question about what did they eat for four months. I agree, Hurley did not lose any weight!
Also, Sun said her husband died before getting to the island. That might actually be true if the freighter blows up.
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DocH wrote:
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Ouch, some of us only have one. :)
Comment 116, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Sawyer fan alert: Josh Holloway will be on Kimmel tonight.
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Hammer wrote:
all of this depends on whether the Paik industries is a closely held or publicly traded corp
and voting pools/trusts mean that different amounts of stock = control of the company in each situation
if it was a publicly traded corp, no one could control who bought/sold shares and sun may be able to gain effective control with not that many stocks
(sorry, know its kind of irrelevant but couldn’t help sharing all the wonderful info i picked up this semester in corp law :)
Comment 118, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I’m pretty sure the drug filled statues on the island were of the Virgin Mary and I think they were painted in bright cheesy colors.
Comment 119, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I thought I missed it but I have 15 more minutes. I flew to the tv to change the channel!
Comment 120, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Since I can’t tell if you are being truthful. Here’s a spoiler, you got 1, 4 and 5 from you list. :)
Comment 121, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
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Not irrelevant at all, folks wanted to know how it COULD happen….and that’s how.
Comment 122, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Can’t Get Enough wrote:
Yes, I know. I said that they looked like GOLD PAINTED VERSIONS of the statue. I am not disputing that the cheesy colored ones were supposed to be the Virgin Mary, either. I just didn’t think the gold statue looked much like Jesus.
: ) P
Comment 123, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Geez, they got everyone spread out again all over and off the damn island. This is definitely going to leave to many unanswered questions for next season and beyond…
What I want to find out in the finale….
1. What happens to Locke, Sawyer and Jin.
2.Who has made them all agree to go along with this lie.
3. A hint at what Whitmore’s role is in all this..although we may know something, I’d like to know more…which is a constant thing with this show.
4. Why they want Ben.
5. What is Ben up to with Locke and Hurley? I have come to believe that Ben is always lying. Remember how good he was at being Henry Gale? He’s so good, it’s scary.
I was shouting at Claire’s mom while she was leading up to the big reveal, I couldn’t take it. Watching a Lost secret get revealed is a mental rush.
Also I cried a bit when Nadiya met Sayid–of the love stories, I like this one the best. Second would be Sawyer and his baby-momma–I think that they’ll end up together someday again with lil Clementine in tow..
Comment 124, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Bed time for Bonzo.
Don’t worry, I have one for you to ponder. ;)
No mention of out of sync island/freighter time lines….look out in two weeks!
Comment 125, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Thanks for clarifying! (I grew up Catholic so for some insane reason I seem to remember those kind of details – I just got all excited that I actually had an answer to a question!)
Comment 126, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay, I had a gripe about Widmore’s accent NOT being very British in the scene when he’s in bed talking to Ben. (And yes, I know know that the reason it was a bad British accent is because he is from New Zealand.)
Accents really must be a pet peeve of mine, because Claire’s mom had a HORRIBLE Australian accent. There is NO WAY that woman is really Australian! Get the woman a dialogue coach. Or hire an ACTUAL Australian!
But I am glad that we know now how and when Jack found out about Claire.
: ) P
Comment 127, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I think Charlie might be in the last episode… I think that Jacob/Smokey (I really do think they are one and the same) will assume his form and Claire will be a part of something big.
Or at least I’m hoping… one of the biggest surprises of the SERIES (to me) was seeing her in Jacob’s cabin. And now I’m really anxious to know what happens.
And I’m REALLY anxious for what happens with who’s on that boat right now… and how Sun escapes to be one of “The Oceanic 6″.
This is probably the most pumped I’ve actually ever been in the entirely of Lost… wow.
Poor Ben, he gets beaten up so often.
I have a feeling someone’s dead in the finale.
Ack, I have so many things to say, every sentence is a new idea!
Comment 128, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Some thoughts on the show and comments:
DocH: looks like you had at least 2 of your 5 wishes come true thus far with a very possible 3rd with Ben’s plan (pretty sure its gonna work out)
Tasha, and anyone who thinks Charlie died for nothing: if it weren’t for charlie shutting down the looking glass blocking communication, then they would had no chance with getting off until then…that was the opening that they needed to get off the island, albeit contacting Keamy and crew, but it got those 6 off the island, so Charlie still is a martyr
Hammer: right on with many points per usual, but one especially i agree with, most interesting line: Jesus is not a weapon…as soon as she said it, it definitely made me think
- Poor Hurley, always seeing those awful numbers
- On the 108th day the survivors were found, another pretty interesting tie in to the 108 mins and the sum of the Numbers
- Claire cannot be one of the other 2 that survived but then died according to the lie, Claire’s mother would find out that Jack knew, Aaron’s identity would surely come up and Aaron would be taken by the grandmother…this doesn’t happen because we know Kate has Aaron down the line
- As for Sun buying out her father’s company, this is very feasible with the money she probably received…she was compensated for herself, but also probably Jin as well…plus it was in dollars which is probably stronger than korean currency
That’s all for now, more to come once things settle
Comment 129, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I think that, in the end, the last move Charlie made will play a huuuuuuge roll. We still have two more seasons, after all.
Comment 130, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow, just finished watching (stupid West Coast behind everyone else!)…that was quite the cliffhanger! Totally can’t wait to see what happens with Alpert and crew, and I’ll be sad if Des dies. I’m wondering if Dan makes it back in the raft before the island “moves”. Whew, ok, time for bed, but will definitely be watching that one again!!
Comment 131, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Lins wrote:
being sad if des dies is an understatement! I would be DEVASTATED if des dies!!! the writers have given us every reason to want des to make it back and finally be able to love penny and if they kill him before this happens i will be pissed!!
Comment 132, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Well for every1 saying how Sun can buy a controlling share into her dads compnay and if the settlement was enough?…Thats easy, if you know any thing about finance, then you would know that with 5 investment banks that underwrite Paik automotive stock, it is very easy to buy up all the shares in the market on open orders without alerting Mr. Paik himself,… but since we dont know how much the settlement was we have to assume it was alot, and most likly Sun probably already controlled a percentage since she was his daughter…Most likly she bought the stock on margin and leverage, so being his daughter and using 5 different banks, thats alot of buying power. Which means that by buying on margin you get 2/1 or 4/1 or all the way up to 100/1 and more, so we dont know what the deal was with the banks, but im assuming she probably got 80/20 on the stock…which means with 20 million u can buy 100 million. Plus remember hugo is worth 150 million and he was in korea visting her baby, he might be her buisness partner…
Comment 133, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
So “the story” is that Jin and Claire did not survive the crash. It didn’t look like Jack was too happy about Sun’s reply at the press conference. But when Sayid denied the possibility of other survivors being discovered, Jack had this funny smirk on his face like “told you”.
1. Who is the other person Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death? and boy do I feel sorry for him/her.
2. Faraday and Charlotte definitely have or had something between them.
3. Claire’s mother is alive. Didn’t CS tell Claire to pull the plug when he traveled to Australia? I wonder if the island had anything to do with her recovery and visit to Jack to inform him he has a sister.
Comment 134, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Sun takes the baby and runs right off the open end of that freighter deck as the old rust bucket goes up in a big ball of fire. That’s all for Michael, Jin and Desmond.
Speaking of balls, Ben rocks. He’s going to take out Keamy, and that’s when the freighter goes.
The numbers on the dash instruments of the Camaro. Nice touch.
Comment 135, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
The best one I could find. Can’t really get a good look at it but I watched the scene again and it does look like “Jesus Christ”.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0HL6l9kWI/AAAAAAAABUo/_C8IXPE3u-c/s1600-h/pict+2008-05-15+10-26-4310.jpg
Comment 136, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I agree, definitely Hollywood. I think they did that to show that Sun did not attend the funeral and Nadia did. The timeline…before Nadia’s death and possibly a month after Ji Yeon’s birth.
I also thought it odd that the wake was 10 months after the crash? Seems like an awful longtime assuming they have been rescued for about 6 months.
Comment 137, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
I was thinking that too. But she did this before having the baby, so Hurley would have had to given her money before that visit. Which is plausible. He doesn’t want “anything to do with the money”, knowing this, and how close Hurley became with Jin, Sun could have approached him about it.
Comment 138, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
ok, one thing that really bothered me: do any of the people involved in planning the cover story really think people are going to believe aaron was only 5 weeks old during the press conference?
I mean come on…. i know they had to make stuff up to make their ruse believable, but trying to convince anyone that aaron was that young there was ridiculous!!
Comment 139, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
First time poster, long time reader. just had a few observations:
1. Why does Faraday know about the secondary protocol but it didn’t seem that the captain knew? I now completely believe that Daniel is one of the good guys, but that makes me curious.
2. I believe that Sun has contempt towards her father not only because of how he treated Jin, but because she learns of the paik industries- Charles Widmore connection. I think she either considers Widmore or herself the other person.
3. The moment when Sawyer decides to go with Jack to the chopper was friggin’ great
4. Does anyone know what the name that Nadia gave as her name when she met Sayid was? Was is what she wrote on the pack of the picture she gave him?
5. All of the 6 make sense except for Sun and Aaron. The rest of them are near the chopper
6. Probably useless observation, but there was a kid at Hurley’s party was wearing a 42 shirt.
Comment 140, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Evan wrote:
We KNOW that in the O6 lie, Claire is not among the 8 who initially survived, because Kate is claiming that she was pregnant and had Aaron on the island. When Jack found out that Claire was his sister, he couldn’t say that he knew her.
I also was wondering about who is the other person that Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death. When she tells her father that he is one of two, I immediately thought that Jack might be the other one she blames, for making her tell the lie.
SO nice to see Sawyer, Kate, and Jack together again, if only briefly. We’ve been talking about favorite Hurley lines for weeks. Okay writers! How about some great Sawyer lines, as in the past! Though we did get one… “Cut yourself shaving?” to Jack when he saw the blood at appendix site.
RE: the raft the Sayid brings to the island…
#1 – totally a false moment that Sayid would decide to go after Jack and Kate in the woods instead of doing what he’d come back to do — taking people off the island.
#2 – The survivors have been on the island for 3 months. You don’t think there would be some argument about who would be allowed to get in the raft? Like what happened a few seasons ago when they managed to build a boat?
I was disappointed that all of the teasers seemed to indicate that we finally would find out how the O6 got off the island. But that’s still a huge mystery. Guess we’ll have to wait and see in 2 weeks, at the finale. Can’t wait!
Comment 141, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Des wasn’t on the plane, so if he gets off the island, he would not fall under the “Oceanic 6″ umbrella.
Hammer wrote:
Gang Auk Man
A Mag An Gunk
A Nag Ma Gunk
A Nag Am Gunk
Comment 142, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Settlements take years… no?
Comment 143, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
mocklost wrote:
Dan is known to have studied the concious time travel and has a big note book of island related stuff…as I said earlier, he’s been “here” before. Time and place, IMO.
Comment 144, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
Totally re: Hugo, although it may not be the lotto winnings, it may be Hugo’s settlement that is invested in Paik as Sun’s partner. Awesome call.
Comment 145, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Why in the world was Christian going to Australia to visit Claire? They didn’t even have a relationship.
I still think it’s Kevin Johnson in the coffin. See my earlier posts #s 30 & 32.
Comment 146, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Exactly – his advisors stated that “five banks were used”
Clearly, Sun got backing from 5 banks with her cheque from Oceanic to quietly buy shares in Paik Ind.
By buying as if it was 5 different buyers, she didn’t alert her fathers people to the buyout
Comment 147, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I have an idea I would like to submit.
It seems like Ben knew all along that there would be this potentially disastrous “War” from Widmore if the location of the island were to become known. He had the opportunity to keep this from happening by allowing the Losties to leave the island (with all the travel off the island by Michael, Tom, Ben himself, etc. he could have gotten the Losties off the island), he would have kept them from freeing up the radio signals that ultimately led to Keamy and the mercs attacking the island. Why wouldn’t he have said to the Losties, “Here’s what’s going to happen. If you stay on the island everyone will die. But if you go back to the mainland and keep your mouths shut, everything will be ok.” Obviously there would be a bit more to it than that, but looking back it seems like a better alternative than what Ben and the others are facing at this time. Right?
Comment 148, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I was thinking the same thing as Hammer. I thought that there was going to be an explosion, but wouldn’t that mean Des and Micheal would die too? But PJ’s exactly correct. There’s still more to come to bring them together. I was just holding my breath through that whole time.
Comment 149, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Comment 150, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
@ #138- Aaron is huge!! Everytime I see him I think that.
Also, I actually felt sorry for Juliet. Jack played her. That scene when she was telling him not to go was the first time I felt any kind of real sympathy for her, that I can remember anyways. I know she desperatly wanted off the island before but I never knew if I could trust her. First it was when Jack picked Kate to go with him to find the chopper and then when she stormed away from him.
Comment 151, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone else, upon hearing the wistful music at the end, expect the freighter to blow up as Sun was looking back at the door? I know *I* did.
Another observation, now that I have had some rest *G*… I am wholly disappointed with the Nadia reunion. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVED that it happened, but sheesh, a little BUILD UP would have made it SO much better. Remind us how long Sayid has PINED for her, or something! LOL
: ) P
Comment 152, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I don’t see the freighter blowing up. Too many characters on the freighter at this time; Sun, Des, Jin, Michael. I haven’t seen this question posed yet: How do the O6 get on that cargo plane?? Have any ideas been brought up yet? Where would that plane have taken off from? How did the O6 get to the place where the plane took off from? The only idea I have would be that they took the little raft (it holds 6.) from the freighter to a nearby place, meaning the freighter probably had to move closer to the mainland. My guess then is that the freighter (still controlled by Keamy) headed back towards the island.
Comment 153, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Thanks to all the business experts and their knowledge about how Sun could have possibly bought a controlling interest in the company.
Their “story” is that they used a survival raft and came ashore on the island of Sumba. The Zodiac that Daniel used is not a survival raft. If there are any aviatars out there, I am curious to know if helos, like the one Lapidas has, would be equipped with a survivor raft?
Comment 154, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
I think whoever’s orchestrating the whole O6 lie got them somewhere where they could get on the plane. There’s so much more that has to happen. AND we probably won’t find out til next season, lol and grrr!!
Comment 155, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I thought the same thing. Maybe they were hinting at that being the last time Sun sees Jin?
Comment 156, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
Comment 157, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
I agree that Aaron did NOT look five weeks old. At first, I figured it was more about CASTING a baby, than their lie, but I suspect it is partly both.
They crashed on September 22, 2004. 108 days later, when they were “rescued” would be about January 8, 2005. Claire gave birth to Aaron around November 1st. That would make Aaron about nine weeks old. That baby looked older than nine weeks!
But if according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Kate was “five months pregnant” at the time of the crash, that would put her as “full term” sometime in January. If, according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Aaron was five weeks old, he would have been born December 4, so Aaron would have been at least a month premature, and therefore should have been especially SMALL for five weeks!
I think that the press is being asked to accept this story and are willing to wait to get details and confirmation. In reality, we’ve seen an entire country suspend belief in the truth because someone official asked them to, so why not the media at that press conference?
We also have the time shift thing that has not been mentioned. How will THAT play into the rescue story?
: ) P
Comment 158, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I find it interesting that Kate is claiming Aaron is only a little over 5 weeks old when they get off the island. The reporter said to Kate that that would have made her six months pregnant when the U.S. Marshall captured her in Australia. When the plane crashed Claire was a little over eight months pregnant. They’ve been on the island over 100 days, so Aaron, in reality, would be 2-3 months old. And wouldn’t the marshall have mentioned something after capturing Kate that she was pregnant? I’m surprised that people off the island are buying into that. Maybe in future episodes people might realize that Aaron is not hers.
Comment 159, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
Settlements in a law suit can take years, yes. But I would expect that the pay-out was in conjunction to the creation of the Oceanic Conspiracy, and therefore already paid in full before that press conference.
: ) P
Comment 160, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Comment 161, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
The reporter said 6 months.
Comment 162, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
Comment 163, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
“There’s no place like home” is a direct Wizard of Oz reference (this is what Dorothy says when tapping her heels). Add that to Charlotte’s name (CS Lewis) I think this is an important connection.
Comment 164, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Bailey Loves Lost wrote:
First of all, I’m new to this blog, but I’ve really been enjoying what everyone’s written so far – please allow me to join the fray….
One thing that intrigues me is that the O6 have been very secretive/untruthful about what actually happened to the other survivors. Although I have no idea why that is, it is interesting that Claire’s mother suspects that something is up (the way she knowingly gazed at Aaron) and that Jack now understands his relationship to Aaron/Claire. Ultimately, I think this “wrench in the works” will help us understand why the O6 are lying about what happened on the island…
Comment 165, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Bailey Loves Lost wrote:
She could have been 6 months pregnant and not have told anyone so the Marshall may not have know.
Comment 166, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
KillerR wrote:
P.O.D.
O’ Henry, it’ll be Newhart’s Dream all over again. Guest spot by Haley Joel Osment as The Wizard.
Comment 167, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
We also know now that when they first get off the island for awhile Jack is able to look at Aaron. Him finding out about Claire must be the reason he doesn’t want anything to do with him for awhile. Hope nobody wrote that already. I didn’t see it.
Comment 168, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I like Jack also. Blaming the man who sent him ( dad ) and the man who didn’t rescue him. Poor Jack, he carries a lot of weight, especially now that he knows his sister was Claire. That was a great scene when he turned around, after talking with Mrs. Littleton, just STARING at Aaron. Maybe that’s why he has to eventually “go back” to the island. To save his sister?
Comment 169, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Another thing I notice now is that in the picture of them coming off the raft being rescued….It looks like Kate’s arms are up which would mean she isn’t carrying the baby. Also I do not see Sun and the baby either. Anyone else have any input?
Comment 170, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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I def. think you are correct. Somehow she and Aaron get off the freigter just before the big bang.
Comment 171, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think anyone has raised this point yet, but if Locke succeeds in moving the island in TIME as opposed to LOCATION (as I, and many of you, it seems, are convinced) then wouldn’t that mean Widmore could still find it? Moving it in time might affect who’s on the island and what’s happening on it, but it should still physically be there right?? or perhaps moving it in time screws up the bearing one needs to follow to navigate to it…any thoughts?
Comment 172, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0ArKl9jxI/AAAAAAAABQA/jU7cxZzSXL0/s1600-h/4×12-00014.jpg
Comment 173, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Unless you mean something else…it was my weekly bed time ponder from last night….
“Bed time for Bonzo.
Don’t worry, I have one for you to ponder. ;)
No mention of out of sync island/freighter time lines….look out in two weeks!”
Comment 174, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
I am just trying to figure out if that is some kind of clue…you think they would make sure all of the O6 would be in the pic. I guess she could still be in the raft, but I don’t see all of them (Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid) just walking off without helping a pregnant lady and a baby off of it.
Comment 175, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I read it, Hammer! But no one seemed to take your bait, so I cast my line out next to yours to stir up a frenzy in the water! *g* (Sorry, I think I may have taken that metaphor one step too far!)
: ) P
Comment 176, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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If you look closely you can see someone on the other side of Kate. Too many legs there.
Comment 177, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Awesome! I didn’t even look at the legs! Well hopefully that is her!!!
Comment 178, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Cool daddio…or mommio…?
Comment 179, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
The freighter scene at the end with Sun just showed her in her new state…not intentionally she was leaving her old life behind with jin and it was showing how her new life would be with a child…it brought closure to their relationship i feel and it shows what Sun has ahead of her
Comment 180, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
If you count the feet, someone is on other side of Kate, and almost looks like whoever it is is holding baby, cuz something is sticking out in front of Sayid’s shoulder.
Comment 181, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
LostGrrl wrote:
Comment 182, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
135- Lost4ever mentioned the memorial service was way after rescue, but that can’t be true, Aaron looks exactly same as he did at press conference.
Aaron is huge, like some of you said. But he always has been. They have always used a baby ‘actor’ way older than his age right from beginning.
Comment 183, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Jin on short time, too bad, he’ll be missed.
Ben sure did switch gears after he manipulated Hurley to find the cabin and Locke to go into it. He really plays Locke for a rube – no way John is a future island leader. He lacks the big game skills. “…I ALWAYS have a plan (you fool).”
More questions than answers, which is par.
Michael can’t blow up on the boat if he is in the coffin.
I think we might be looking at a couple of deaths next ep:
1) Jin
2) ??
(Red Shirts don’t count)
Comment 184, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I have a different question. When Ben was signaling with the mirror, he received a coded response back. At that time Kearny and crew couldn’t have taken physical control of orchid. Doesn’t it seem strange that Kearny did not have a lookout posted to see Ben before Ben spotted Kearny’s team? I would think Kearny would have been more cautious.
Comment 185, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Finally, done reading all the posts…here are my thoughts
I still think the coffin is michael (kevin johnson) which is why no one was there! Although, even if his mom and walt knew his new name was Kevin…perhaps neither wanted to fly to LA, I mean after the crash and all. Jamiegirl said Michael cannot commit suicide, but I think he just couldn’t do it until the island “LET HIM”, because he had to help the island first.
moving the island makes sense, because penny was trying to find it, it probably has moved in the past perhaps this is why they cannot get back to the island….it is missing
awful lot of rabbit’s feet tonight!
I think Mr. Eyeliner (love the name) sets up the whole O6 escaping island. I don’t think they will be taking Kate and Sayid as hostages, I think they want to help them off island.
Comment 186, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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I could see this as a possibility. But I’d expect a more obvious final “good-bye” scene between Jin and Sun, to maximize the drama. Maybe the explosives go off, and Jin stumbles towards Sun and utters a final “I love you” before dying in Sun’s arms.
Comment 187, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobbi wrote:
Here’s what Jack says at the wake.
JACK: About ten months ago, I wrote what I wanted to say at my father’s funeral on the back of a cocktail napkin at the Sydney airport. I don’t remember what I wrote, but whatever it was… he would’ve hated it.
Comment 188, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Part two of my thoughts…
OK, what if….Des and Penny DO reunite, and they are on the island somewhere. Ben goes to Widmore and threatens to kill Penny, so that Widmore will lead him to island (perhaps Ben can’t find it, but Widmore knows where it is). Just a thought.
I also think this is why Sun bought Daddy’s company, so she can USE the power to help find the island. Sun’s dad would NOT have to approve of someone buying stocks, thats why its freetrade. He could try to prevent it,
which is why he is so upset with his men that someone did it sneaky, through five different banks. Settlement money probably isn’t enough to gain control of company, so perhaps Ben is also teamed up with her.
I think the other person she holds responsible is Widmore, and that is why she is teamed with Ben. They said the money came from several different banks, I think Ben is having the O6 help him. Ben says to Sayid at some point, something about protecting his friends. Perhaps he means the ones still livin on missing island. Afterall, by eliminating Widmore’s people, Sayid can assure that Widmore not find the island again and harm his ‘friends’.
Tasha said Ben didn’t actually tell Locke what to do at bottom of elevator, but that’s because he plans to catch up to him, which is why he asked Locke to hold his wand.
I am very interested to see how ‘long’ it takes for the second round of islandees to return to ship. If it took ages for the helicopter…hmmm.
Comment 189, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
docjock wrote:
You assume Michael is in the coffin. I do not.
Comment 190, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
2 Quotes of the night:
1. Ben: “I told you John! I always have a plan.”
2. Sayid: “Interesting choice in theme.”
Comment 191, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Morbidly guessing at two major player deaths for our season finale.
Possible to die:
Jin (mark it – he’s falling on a grenade)
Juliet (maybe, not much drama though)
Claire (seems likely, sure would like to find out what is happening with the off-camera rumors)
Sawyer (was thinking this was likely for high drama, but Claire/Emilie may have fallen on her sword, saving Sawyer/Josh)
Locke (doubt it, they’re not done with him)
Desmond (not until they play out the Penny thread)
Michael (not if we are convinced he is in the coffin = later)
Anyone else?
Comment 192, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Clearly, part of the point of the lie is to keep anyone from even looking for other survivors. Sayid answered so emphatically “absolutely not”, when asked if it were possible that others also survived. Everyone seemed so uncomfortable with the lie, except for Jack. Did HE come up with it?
Comment 193, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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That was my original feeling, Jack made up the “story”, or at least told them what the story was by whomever made it up. He also tells Kate “you did great”. It certainly did not seem like they were on all on the same page.
Comment 194, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Jack usually seems to be the source of direction so I’m guessing the lying was a stance heavily advocated by him.
But for him to do that he must have a very good reason. After all, he “promised to get all those people off the island”. Plus, he’s usually the guy who jumps head first at any chance to be the hero, no matter the possible consequences. I think Jack comes to believe that the welfare of everyone who’s still on the island depends on nobody finding the island. As to how he comes to this enlightenment remains to be seen (Richard/Captain Eyeliner?)
Comment 195, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
If Sun and Aaron are in that picture, where is their shadow?
I don’t see their shadow when I freeze the picture.
Comment 196, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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BenLazy wrote:
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katesFriend wrote:
i agree
Comment 199, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Ok. Right away, I got the impression that if one person had NO business being rescued it was Jack. Not sure why entirely, but he should have stayed and let someone else go. Sun is definately PISSED at Jack. And man, that whole first scene with them all on the rescue plane was hard to swallow man. I feel alot of hardship for Jack right now… even though I also kind of think he’s a donkey at the moment.
He def makes a costly descision at some point very soon…
I am very glad all of that stuff was dealt with on the show last night, and nicely split up with some good island scenes, because the Oceanic 6 stuff really made me miss the island.
Plus…holy love triangle last night. Talk about the tensest love triangle moment yet. I cant really gather too much more yet, except that Jack is gonna have to deal with being a a total jack-ass for a while. HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED!
Comment 200, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Long time reader/first time poster.
I can totally understand why the O6 are lying and created a story. Here’s my thinking:
a) They want to protect the island and/or any people who may be still be on it. (Sawyer-I hope!)
b) It would be an unbelievable story – unidentified island with crazy people,weird black smoke, paranormal behavior-not to mention that it may have moved!
c) Protect themselves from Widmore-who will do anything to get the island.
This is why I think they don’t acknowledge the island, other survivors or anything that happens. Jin probably dies on the freighter(which is tied to the island and Widmore so it’s not acknowledged). Not sure about what’s happening with Michael or Desmond.
My big question is why they claim 8 people survived. Who are the other 2 (or 3 depending on Aaron)? I’m wondering what happens that they have to acknowledge that they died sometime after the crash-is there a body that washes up or something? Otherwise, why not just say it was just the 5 (or 6). I really hope that part gets cleared up in this seasons finale.
Comment 201, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
OK, here’s my theory:
The ship DOES blow, and Sun jumps into the water. Very dramatic, lots of music, Sun screaming for Jin. She THINKS Jin and the rest are dead (we won’t see any bodies though, of course). The second raft-load (who never make it to the ship before it blows) picks up Sun in the water and heads back to the island (no where else to go). There will eventually be a Jin/Sun reunion (at the last season?).
Also, the O6 get out THROUGH THE ORCHID/”TIME MACHINE THINGEE”. Sun is now back on the island, and the rest of the beach people head for the Orchid station (Daniel knows where it is). That’s how Sun joins the other 06ers. Then, the machine only can take so many at once, and they choose who to go (in a hurry of course, lots of drama). They end up at a place near the fake crash site, and stage a “rescue”. They are tramatized by the teleportation, etc., and agree to never tell ANYONE what happened. As someone else suggested, they will believe that in so doing, they can keep the rest safe. Just my idea. Any thoughts?
Comment 202, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
yeah, i don’t get this 10 months ago? if christian died 10 months ago and they were on the island 108 days, that leaves 7 months that they were on or getting to the island of Sumba?? don’t get it
Comment 203, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
bpl wrote:
I have a guess. I think that the ACTUAL rescue will be tense and couple of the “extras” from the beach are somehow taking up space that prevents a couple of “stars” from getting rescued. The two extras get killed in the maylee, but end up off the island when it moves…?
Comment 204, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
JMO, but now that we know that the time lines are all buggered up. Trying to figure out why Aaron is big and how long the O6 were actually missing is too hard. I am waiting to get an answer on island/real time ratios or delays??
Comment 205, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Michael last saw Walt before he left for the freighter and if memory serves, Walt was a lot older than he was on the island (and they were only there for a relatively short time). I’m not sure if this has anything to do with the time distortions or if it’s just the fact that the child actor had aged between shoots…
Comment 206, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
sorry-what’s JMO?
Comment 207, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Yes, maybe they don’t survive the teleportation from the Orchid (see my post #201).
Comment 208, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I still think the island moves before Dan can get back from the freighter
I don’t think the boat blows because I don’t think Michael can die
I think the same is true for Ben, I think that’s why he walks so willingly into tough situations, he knows he can’t be killed
I can’t wait to see how all the O6 are reunited, they’re so scattered all over the island right now, those last two hours are going to be intense!!
I’m still not sure that Jin dies…I think Sun possibly buys a controlling interest in Paik Automotive so that she can work to find the island again…or protect it
The whole O6 story is just so unbelieveable to me…can’t wait to see who comes up with it and why
I think the coffin will be a complete surprise to all of us, and I think there’s a whole lot more to Dan and Charlotte than any of us have thought of yet
I want to see what happens to Frank, if he is the one that ferrys them off the island in the chopper, what happens to him?
Still need to re-watch, but loved all the white rabbit feet!!
Comment 209, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I think Hurley teams up with Sun to by daddys company. Remember a couple of weeks ago he was in Hong Kong with her at Jins grave
Comment 210, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
A big warning for people who want to avoid this stuff:
Apparently some major spoilers about the remainder of the finale are out there on the internet. So be careful as you surf the web for these next two weeks. And if you do hear any of the spoiler info, please don’t post it here!
Comment 211, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JMO = just me opinion
Comment 212, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Yeah, I just don’t think the Orchid is how the surviors get home. I think they get home the same way the freighter got to the island As I stated before, I think the Orchid is how they move the island.
Comment 213, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
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I can’t help but feel the rabbits feet are a nod to the hard core fans…no?
Comment 215, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
LOL…..I was wondering if that was another #15.
Comment 216, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Im not sure why the off-island timeline would be difficult to understand. They were rescued by fishermen on the isalnd of Sumba January 7 (Real-world time). Christian’s wake was around 10 month’s after Jack was in the bar with Ana Lucia, the day of the crash. sometime in July 2005. That’s all real wrold time. Facts that the real world would have to understand, especially those nosey reporters.
Comment 217, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.
Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.
I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…
Comment 218, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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1. More of the island’s history – Four toed statue, the Black Rock, Adam and Eve, etc.
2. Is Clair dead or alive? And why did the actress who played her look like she’d gained 20 pounds in one week?
3. The Smokey/Jacob thing — how are they connected, and who is Jacob?
4. More on the significance of the numbers and the Valenzetti Code.
Comment 219, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
He wouldn’t know because he just glanced at it?
Comment 220, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I agree. The second protocol was developed by Dharma around 15 years ago. Maybe after the “incident” or when Danielle’s team reached the island. Good point, wouldn’t Keamy know the entrance ways and have them monitored.
Comment 221, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
I guess I wasn’t clear. I meant in relation to island time. Folks are trying to tie the size of Aaron to when things happened. I think once we find out exactly what is going on with island time, it will be easier to nit pick this stuff…..just an observation….I’m not trying to stop being from trying to solve it.
Comment 222, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
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It’s a thought, but I don’t think a merc like Keamy would just glance at it, he’s hard core.
Comment 223, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
For crying out loud…..I’m not trying to stop ANYONE from trying to solve it……I need to slow down. :)
Comment 224, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Ben told Locke how to get to the elevator, involving something about looking under a plant, etc. Possibly Keamy doesn’t know ALL THAT about the Orchid, just where and what it is. He had to wait for Ben. My guess is that they wanted to follow Ben to the “real” Orchid, but Ben came out with his hands up, so they had no choice but to intercept him there, on Ben’s own terms. Lets Locke sneak in to the elevator. Interesting that Keamy was entrusted with the mission, but not with everything: He wasn’t suppose to look at the “SP” unless it got desperate, and even then, only with the captain (with the second key). Hmmmmmmmm
Comment 225, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
thought they crashed septemberish 2004
Comment 226, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
But she can’t find out. If Kate admits that Aaron is not hers and that he is Claire’s, the whole 06 lie will start to unreveal. I think that is why Jack ends up not wanting to see Aaron- just too much guilt. I’m also not sure that he ever tells Kate that he is Aarons uncle.
Comment 227, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Kate would be up front because she is Jack’s significant other at that time.
Comment 228, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
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Comment 229, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
It was, lost4ever meant the memorial is July ‘05ish.
Comment 230, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Babies have to be AT LEAST three months old before they can be used in movies. Kids below that age are not allowed per film industry rules, so no matter what, Aaron would have looked older. Though they could have used a smaller baby.
Comment 231, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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I suppose, I would think that the SP written by DHARMA would be more specific if it is for a desperate measure….no? Why would desperate folks holding a SP have to guess where the real Orchid is?
Comment 232, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
First off, probably the best Ep of the season, my jaw was on the floor the entire time.
Im not really sure about all the confusion about the O6 lying about the rescue. They really have no choice….the world has already been told and shown that flight 815 crashed and there were no survivors. If any of the O6 come forward and say they were stranded on an island and there are more survivors, then whoever staged the crash has some serious explaining to do, it now turns into a worldwide conspiracy, not only that but you then have rescue teams searching for an island that cannot be found….im pretty sure that widmore has something to do with the O6 getting there settlement money since he is most likely the one who staged the crash.
As far as the O6 getting off the island, here is my theory…i think jack, sawyer and the pilot (his name escapes me now!) make it to hugo and locke, an argument ensues and somehow hurly still ends up going with Locke (i think this situation is why hugo apologized to jack about not going with him when he was in the mental inst.) Jack and Sawyer follow, eventually meet up with the others along with kate and sayid, a war starts between the others and keamy’s team and Jack Sawyer, Kate, Hugo, sayid and the pilot make a run for the chopper, but sawyer stays behind to look for Claire. Once on the chopper they make there way to the frieghter where something has gone wrong with the C4 and its a matter of minutes before the ship explodes, Jin, being the honorable man he is makes sure that Sun is on that chopper and makes the ultimate sacrifice by staying on the boat with Michael, Des and the other people…..We now have our O6
Comment 233, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
SUN_LOVER wrote:
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This would make a lot of sense (well to me at least!) Hurley does have $150 million from the lottery. He came to see Sun after the baby was born. In last night’s episode, Sun told her father that they would talk about “our business” after the baby is born. If Hurley helped Sun by her share of the company, then he might be going with Sun to talk to her father. Also, remember how Hurley said to Sun when he went to see Ji-Yeon that they should go see him. Maybe that HIM wasn’t Jin, but he was referring to Sun’s father.
Comment 234, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Could anyone please help me understand what happened on the freighter when Des ran into onto the ship’s bridge and I think he was trying to turn the freighter towards the island but the instruments were not responding. Has the freighter drifted too close to the island? or is all that C2 creating some intereference? is this realization prior to the discovery of the C2 even significant?
btw- Sawyer and Des are my favs and I’ll be crushed if they don’t make it!
Thx-helen
Comment 235, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I’m pretty sure that the initial press conference story is going to be on constant guard. There was a lot of heffenreffer being tossed around, and the reporters did not seem satisfied. I think I was too hard on Jack in my last post, calling him a jack ass and all. But I do think some of the lie is to cover up some slip of his, which he constantly seems to be trying to make right of in this episode, but we dont know what that is yet. The lie seems to have become more complicated than it was supposed to be, because they all (jack too) seem like they hate it.
and I still think Jack was not rightly supposed to leave the island. He is convinced that he did the right thing by doing so, but I’m looking back to the episode when him and Kate were talking about how Sawyer “made his decision to stay…” and I think the rest of the 06 have serious doubts about what he did. (whatever that is)
Last night my favorites were Sawyer and Ben. If anyone on this show has been selected for a greater purpose, I think it has to be Sawyer.. his whole attitude has completely changed in just the last few weeks… Jack as I said, has a lot more hardship to go through.
Ben. I like the fact that Ben went from being such a creep in last season, to just being probably the smartest guy around. When you find yourself rooting for the bad guy, then he’s got you!
Ben cant die…Keemey was ripped when that gun of his clicked (yet again) awesome!
Comment 236, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
wally p wrote:
Keamy didnt try to shoot Ben, he just gun butted him to knock him out…
Comment 237, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
GuttahMan wrote:
I’d say it was more of a pistol whip.
Comment 238, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
GuttahMan wrote:
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But what do the O6 care about starting a ‘worldwide conspiracy’? the only reason I think they would be motivated to lie is either a) because doing so somehow helps ensure the other survivors’ safety or b) they are being coerced to lie by someone like Widmore (in who’s best interest it is to keep the island a secret)
Comment 239, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
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I don’t think she was at that point. According to Eggtown, it seems that Jack and Kate don’t get together until after Kate’s trial, at which point Aaron appeared to be 2 or 3 years old. At the service for Christian, Aaron was still a baby (maybe 6 or 7 months old).
Comment 240, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JCK wrote:
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I agree, they aren’t lying because THEY don’t want the world to know about the island…THEY are being manipulated. At one time, when we only knew about Jack and Kate off the island, it would have been to protect Kate from the law. Now that we know she didn’t hide from the law, I think we know that someone else is forcing the lies.
Comment 241, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Adding: This is likely why some think Sayid is a double agent. Keeping the island secret, yet helping Ben go after Widmore(well after the O6 lie).
Comment 242, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Right, and even further making the point: I think that Jack’s first reaction would be to do whatever possible to get those people off the island, unless he had a REALLY good reason not to. He has no affinity for the island. That’s Locke’s department. In fact, it seems that the island no longer (if it ever did at all) has an affinity for Jack, judging by his recent bout with appendicitis. Jack (the) Shepard is always about leading the people.
Comment 243, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
With all of the talk of the O6 getting off the Island, there doesn’t seem to be any discussion on how they decided WHO got to leave? Maybe it wasn’t the Lostie’s decision as to who got to leave. Maybe Ben decided who left; he sent people he could trust would not give away any info on the island. We know Sayid is working for him so he would definitely sent him. The more I write this the more I am convincing myself that they were picked by Ben. As was mentioned earlier, Jack would NOT want to leave people behind and go home himself so possibly he was forced to leave the island.
Comment 244, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JCK wrote:
I mentioned in last week’s thread that I think that the appendicitis was as much about moving the plot along as it was the island being displeased with Jack. I think that it is in Jack’s character to make sure EVERYONE got off the island before he did. I think that it is because of his recent surgery that other people insist that he go first.
Ben choosing the O6 may be right, but he does he give two hoots about Kate or Sun? I think he would rather Hurley stayed on the island.
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Comment 245, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
What’s the deal with Christian’s funeral? They knew he was dead before Jack even left for Australia, it’s not like Jack, where he there is a posibility he’s still alive. Christians was DEAD. Wouldn’t they have had the funeral months earlier, why wait until the return of Jack?
Comment 246, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
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I disagree. They have been getting closer and Jack talks to her like they are a couple. Plus, at Hurley’s party Kate says that Jack is running late, but he’ll be there. That sounds like something one would say about one’s partner.
Comment 247, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
I don’t think any of them were allowed to leave. It seems to me that the O6 more or less “escaped”. Sayid didn’t work for Ben until after his wife gets killed. I don’t think Ben “sent” anyone off the island. Again, I think they are off the island when it gets “moved” and ended up being rescued. Hence the big lie. Now the story turns to how and why the O6 have to go back and find the island.
Comment 248, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
It is an actual place- I don’t think there is an anagram.
Comment 249, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
Ok just a note that the age of Aaron, JMO, is being over analyzed. On Gossip Girls, those girls look 25, not 17. It’s TV people !
Comment 250, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
That would explain it!
Comment 251, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
I agree, Jack would be the type to vote for “Women and Children First”. As for the settlement, maybe it’s $3.2mm (laugh, I just remember Miles saying that to Ben and that conversation never being revisited or resolved – typical LOST, but keeps us all on our toes, and all blogging on company time) TGIF !
Comment 252, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
OK I’ll admit it’s a possibility. So if they are “together” in the few months after the rescue, leading up to the service for Christian, the revelation to Jack that Claire was his sister creates a rift between him and Kate, so that they are not together at the time of Kate’s trial, but then they get back together at some point after the trial.
I still lean towards them not being together at the time of Christian’s service. I think it’s possible Kate and Jack are still just friends at the time of Hurley’s party. Kate knows noone else in California, so it makes sense that she’d remain close friends with him, Hurley and Sayid, and she would know when Jack would be arriving at the party.
But here’s another thought – at what point does Kate go to jail? At the time of her trial, she is being kept in jail, and that’s a couple years after their rescue. Why wouldn’t she be put in jail immediately after the rescue? She’s already proven to be a flight risk.
Comment 253, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I have been wondering how they picked the 06 too. Here are my thoughts:
1. Aaron – because he is a baby.
2. Kate – to take care of “her baby”.
3. Sun – because she is pregnant.
4. Hurley – because he is having some serious mental health issues and can’t take the pressure any longer.
5. Jack – had a bad time with his appendix surgery and may need medical attention.
6. Sayid – to ensure the lie continues on. (Okay, I admit that I don’t have a good reason for him).
A couple more thoughts about last night’s episode.
Sawyer was preciuos when he came out of the jungle with Aaron. Who couldn’t love him at that moment and feel for him??? He has always had a tender side that was close to the surface and he really showed it last night.
Sad, sad, sad that nobody was there to meet Kate when the families were reunited. Broke my heart! I would hope that even if my mom and I were at odds with each other, she would put on her happy face and meet me when she found out I was indeed still alive!!!!
I don’t think Jin dies. Sun didn’t act like he died, IMO, she acted like he was still there and she was sad that he couldn’t be part of the 06.
Comment 254, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I am sure this has been brought up a gazillion times but could LOST stand for “Land Of Shifting Time”?
Comment 255, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Manukangga, Indonesia
Comment 256, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Maybe she worked out some kind of deal at first. She is a “celebrity” with an infant son. Or maybe she is wearing one of those ankle bracelets for now. LOL
Comment 257, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
The time line just isn’t making sense to me. Jack was bring his father’s body home on the plane when it crashed. Therefore, Jack must have found out that his father died not long before that. If 108 days has past and Kate and Aaron are at Christian Shephard funeral, it can’t be that long after they got off the island. But Jack said that he wrote the (eulogy?) 10 months ago when he was sitting at a bar. How could ten months have past? Why would they have waited 7 or 8 months after being rescued to have his funeral? (Plus, Aaron would have been a lot older.)
It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?
And Keamy reminds me of a pigeon that way he gets that weird expression on his face and tilts his head before he hit Ben. I just want to throw a rock at him or something!
Comment 258, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
helen wrote:
The thing tied to Keamy’s arm is transmitting with the radio room on the boat. The the transmittor on his arm is connected to the C4 in the radio room. The radio room was getting interference and preventing the ship driver from believing he would stay on the 305 bearing.
Comment 259, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Im not saying the O6 are making up the lie, there being forced to lie by either widmore or oceanic, i just made the point cuz alot of people here are asking why are they keeping up the lie. Im sure they gave the O6 an ultimatum, lie for us and be rich, or dont lie for us, be poor, watch Kate get sent to Prison, Aaron get put in a foster home, etc, etc. Either way the island is at some risk and has an intricate part in the lie.
Comment 260, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Bailey Loves Lost wrote:
As far as the Christian Shepard funeral, IMHO, they have the funeral WITH Jack present because Jack seems like a “finish what I started” type of guy. Therefore, sometime after they are rescued, he says to mom, “hey how was Dad’s funeral?” His mother, recognizing he needs closure, she did send him after CS anyway, decides to have a “proper” funeral eulogy, whatever. Much smaller crowd, probably geared toward the folks who know and were just as close to Jack as Christian, and most importantly…IT’s TV!
Comment 261, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Bailey Loves Lost wrote:
We can start with Charlie coming to see Hugo. Hugo won’t take his meds so Jack thinks he might squak. Then Jack sees his dad, he turns to drugs and alchol….it’s the island….they are changing fate…Aaron is either with the wrong folks or at the wrong place or both…it’s the island splitting them up….
Comment 262, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Sun was did not attend the funeral
Comment 263, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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’cause he is the other one she holds responsible for Jin?
Comment 264, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I mentioned in last week’s thread that I think that the appendicitis was as much about moving the plot along as it was the island being displeased with Jack. I think that it is in Jack’s character to make sure EVERYONE got off the island before he did…
He was ready to take the submarine himself and send an expedition back.
Comment 265, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
or because she is in Korea?
Comment 266, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Or because she lives in Korea and has no interest in hopping in an airplane anytime soon?
Comment 267, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
No, because she lives in Korea !
Comment 268, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Who knows? Maybe because she is a rich beotch. She didn’t attend Hurley’s party either. Maybe it was about the same time of Ji Yeon.
Comment 269, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Well, it seems like Hurley took off from his birthday party after seeing the speedometer in the car with his father – I’m guessing that was the impetus for him landing in the psychiatric facility.
Actually, it seems strange to me how everyone was so complacent after being rescued. Obviously, they are hiding the truth, but there doesn’t seem to be any urgency with respect to the island – at least not until weird things start happening (Jack seeing his father, etc.) At Hurley’s party everyone just seemed to be happy with moving on and treating the island adventure as a done deal….
Comment 270, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
GuttahMan wrote:
are you sure he didn’t pull the trigger first? At first I thought he didn’t, but then I thought that might have been funny if he had pulled the trigger and the gun didn’t go off again, which would be like the third time it happened, and he doesn’t get why. But this time he just says whatever and knocks Ben out.
Comment 271, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree with the thought that Sun blames Jack for Jin’s death. Her confidence in Jack had eroded and was going to go to New Otherton until Juliette flapped her lips. I don’t think Jin dies on the freightor, or Michael, because I think Mike’s in that C.
I think not knowing what happened to Claire and realizing it’s his sister messes with him, as part of that whole island mojo.
I love seeing Hurley trying to book off…like when he bolted from the car…hilarious.
So probably when Locke goes down into the Orchid station, he will watch the Orchid Orientation video (was that extra footage, or will it be involved with the show?)
Comment 272, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I stated the same opinions as you somewhere on this blog about Jack/Sun and Jack/Claire. What if when Locke goes down to the Orchid, Marvin Candle or Hallowax is actually there? or has he been confirmed dead?
Comment 273, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
We have seen numerous references to the Wizard of Oz. (i.e. Henry Gale, the balloon, etc.). The episode was titled “There’s No Place Like Home”. How does this sound?…
Kate – Dorothy
Aaron – Toto
Jack – Scarecrow
Hurley – Cowardly Lion
Sayid – Tin Man
Sun – Glenda The Good Witch?
Comment 274, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JCK wrote:
But Hurley goes to Korea, and when he’s there the first thing he does is make sure he was the only one… whats up with that?
I think that they are just trying to be normal at Hurleys party. How else do you act at a party? but It’s different for everyone. Even in the FF from last season, Kate seemed perfectly happy to stay in California, and never think about going back to the island again. I think because she has been convinced of her purpose.
Whos to say this whole 06 thing isn’t just some vivid glimpse of the future, that could be, say, part right, and part not right. (claire gets on helicopter…)
Comment 275, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JCK wrote:
Unless I’m mistaken, Hugo settles down from the numbers long enough to drive the car to the store…seeing Charlie and the cop telling him he can go the looney bin ring a bell?
Comment 276, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
wally p wrote:
The infamous “whoosh” sounds implied the island was the FB last night and off the island was present time i believe.
Comment 277, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Let’s assume the device on Keamy’s arm is a pulse monitor that will blow up the C4 on the ship if he dies. Consider the time differential between real world time and island time. There was a 34(?) minute time difference. So if Keamy was killed, would the freighter blow up 34 minutes before he dies? Or would it blow up 34 minutes after he dies, giving them time to contact the freighter tots (I still love that one) and tell them to get off fast?
Comment 278, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Because they would already know. They may not have needed to be as specific in the manual as “look under the plant…..” because they all worked there, and would already know.
Comment 279, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay, I hear you all about Sun being in Korea…but remember me when she’s pissed at Jack.
Comment 280, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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“The Beginning of the END”
Comment 281, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
But why would Sun want to hold a controlling interest in Paik if her dad and Jack were responsible for Jin’s death…her dad I can understand, but in that context, Jack doesn’t make sense to me.
Comment 282, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Are there different whoosh sounds? I gotta pay attention to things like that. FB whoosh’s are like a Whooo-ooossh and back to real time is more of a shorter one tone whoosh. I always hear some sound, either going in or out. But, I was just saying for sake anyway… I’m pretty stuck to the 06 events being real events.
Comment 283, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
I guess it’s up for interpretation who “already nows”. Not all DHARMA folks worked in every station. In fact, I would say that only the Orchid workers even knew that it wasn’t a botanical reseach center. So a book about SP should be specific so that the person using it would know exactly how to save the island.
Comment 284, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Keys wrote:
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I believe the freighter would blow up 34 minutes AFTER Keamy’s pulse stopped. Because the doctor washed up on shore BEFORE he was actually killed.
Comment 285, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
I dont think everyone in the DI would have known. Only the highest level members would have had the very specifics if an event unfolded where they had to go to the SP. The lower level members would have looked to the few with the details for answers on what to do.
Comment 286, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
The bit about Jin buying a controlling stake in her father’s business needs explaining. I am nor satisfied with this. It just can’t be done unless this is a much smaller company we imagined.
In practice, you can’t take control of a company without the majority owner knowing about it. Otherwise ownership and strategic directions at companies would switch back and forth according to who takes a whim of owning it.
(Whether the settlement was paid in dollars or Korean currency – as someone mentionned – is irrelevant.)
To take control of a company, you need to pay a lot, hire bankers, lawyers, you need to let the SEC (or its Korean equivalent) know, you need to get your people elected on the board.
POSSIBLE EXPLANATION:
1. It is a smaller company than we thought
2. the explanation resides in the two underlings meeting with her father. Maybe that is all the creators intend to give us for an explanation: an “error” was made. After all this is somewhat secondary to the storyline.
3. Jin now has access to “powers” that she did not have before, she can now control money flows, time, people in a similar way as Ben was doing
Comment 287, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
Comment 288, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Sorry Bruno. Im done with the whole Sun money controversy. A number of people explained yesterday different theories on how Sun could have done it and I am satisfied with that as I know nothing about corporate takeovers. There comments can be found above between 75 and 132.
Comment 289, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Plus add the possibility of Hurley’s 150 million and who knows…
Comment 290, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree that the analyzing of the baby playing Aaron is overdone.
Are you going to have 10 different babies playing Aaron when he is a newborn, when he is 2 weeks old, when he is 2 months old, when he is 5 months old, when he is 10 months old etc.?
And they all have to look alike or you guys will jump all over it.
Comment 291, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Bailey Loves Lost wrote:
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The thinking more on that, time differential may go back and forth. Cause Sayid showed up long after the doctor washed ashore, but left the boat before he was killed. And he had a motorboat to get him to the island. The doctor just had the tide.
Then again, the conversations between boat and island happen in “real time”. So maybe electronic signals go instantly. This does make it easier for the writers to manipulate event timings to their advantage and explain away mistakes in the timeline.
Comment 292, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Lins wrote:
Jack keeps making mistakes in his obsession with trying to save everyone. Add to that what seemed like obvious tension between Jack and Sun at the press conf. The camera kept showing Jack and Sun, Jack checking her demeanor, Sun shoot looks at Jack and in his direction…..I think something is going to happen that she blames Jack for….gut feeling.
Comment 293, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Bruno wrote:
4. It’s TV and drama is needed.
Comment 294, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I think it is just that he is seen as the leader and the instructions were to not answer if they were stumped as to what to answer.
She wasn’t sure how to answer but eventually answered correctly.
Comment 295, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
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I just don’t see how holding a controlling interest in her father’s company would hurt Jack…unless she has some evil plan for him too :)
Comment 296, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Well, the people who would know what to do with the protocol, how to operate whatever needs to be operated, would already know. Not lower level people, but the ones who would be needed to perform whatever task lies ahead.
Comment 297, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Lins wrote:
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Me neither, I’m not sure why you have tied the “other” person that she holds responsible to the take over. She only said that so we would know that she is going to be looking for revenge on two people. The take over was to get back at dear old dad only IMO.
Comment 298, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
Maybe….it’s just my take on the scene.
Comment 299, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
But most importantly, has the actress who plays Sun had a boob job or is it just a magic bra??
Comment 300, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Didn’t Jack say Sawyer made a choice and he chose to stay? He also told Kate “I saved you”. It’s gonna be very interesting to see how the rescue plays out.
Comment 301, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Since the horse is just about dead, I will only say one more thing about SP then you can have the last word. The SP is to save the island therefore the SP SHOULD be written in detail to ensure that the island is saved.
Thanks for a spirited debate!
Comment 302, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
She’s pregnant.
Comment 303, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Also, I’m out of points on Sun holding Jack accountable too. So last word is yours.
Again, thanks for the spirited debate.
Comment 304, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
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True, but in that case, there was no one else to take with him… he had ONCE chance to go on the sub and wasn’t going to risk that by negotiating to get more people on it.
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Comment 305, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Yes, there are several characters that made it clear they don’t want to leave the island. So, I don’t think they were “chosen” per se. Circumstances are what chose them IMO.
Comment 306, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Sooner or later, the “big lie” will start to unravel. Some doctor will examine Kate and notice that she has never had a baby. Or blood tests will reveal that Aaron is no relation to her. Jack will have to explain how he got an emergency appendectomy on the deserted island. Things will be noticed and questions will be asked. That’s when and why they will have to go back. They won’t be able to stay away even if they want to.
Comment 307, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Well put.
Come on Hammer, we can top MEET KEBIN JOHNSON at this pace by Monday. 1000 comments at my last check.
Comment 308, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay, gotta go my boy’s ballgame. Check in later. Today was fun, and we got some good input from some newbies!
Comment 309, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I believe in a podcast, D&C said that the Orchid video would come into play, but I don’t remember if it is during this season. If if is, we don’t have much longer to find out!
: ) P
Comment 310, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay don’t we have to say that the (O6) is saved by Whitmore. At the press conference there is an elaborate story with what happened with the survivors. I don’t see Tubs, I mean Sayid, and Jack sitting there with a map saying will go to this island and then this one. I think were going to see Jake make a terrible deal with Whitmore after Whitmore kills off two regulars like, Jin, or Sawyer. That’s why the rest of the survivors are sort of pissed at Jake and not his best bud anymore. I can see a gun to Sawyers head, and Sawyer tells Kate to do that little thing for him that pisses Jake off in the future. This could also be the point where Hurley and Jack officially stop there jock/fat kid friendship. Whitmore is the only person who has tried to hide the island with the fake plane crash; so it would stand to reason he wouldn’t want any loose lips about the fact it exists. Also really quick Blackrock / four toe statue theory. Has the island moved before? When the island moves again will we see the other half of this statue? Maybe the island moved and the Black Rock ended up underneath it?
Comment 311, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
Excellent points. I guess that knocks Ben out of the equation of being the one behind it. As smart as Ben is, he surely would have tied up the loose ends. UNLESS, he eventually needed the lie to fall apart. No telling with him. On the surface it sounds more like a Locke and Jack lie. Locke wouldn’t do anything unless the island told him. And Jack just wants to get off the island. Details shmetails.
Comment 312, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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I think they also stated that we will have another purple sky event and something about the four-toed statue.
Comment 313, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
So I have been wondering if we are going to get Aaron flash forwards. To me it seems like they elevated his character by making him one of the Oceanic 6.
Comment 314, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow, amazing episode. I soooooo do not like Kate raising Aaron…it’s weird and he belongs with his mother…that is what the psychic told her!!! Here are my observations:
1. I think it’s weird the O6 socialize so much…funerals, barbecues, etc. It’s odd and almost unnatural. You can see the guilt in all of them when they are together.
2. That reporter did not believe Kate gave birth to Aaron…he knew something was up. That baby looks way older than 5 weeks!!!
3. I want to know who coached them in the lie of their crash and survival. Someone fed them a story.
4. What does Jack’s Dad have to do with Jacob? What is the connection?
5. I am so glad Claire’s mother came forward and told Jack about Claire…it kills me that that is her grandson but she didn’t even know Claire was pregnant!!!
6. Good to see the Others…about time they came around.
7. I love that the numbers came back to haunt Hurley…brings us back to Seasons 1 and 2…the good ol’ days of the hatch!
8. Who put the C4 all over the radio? It’s like there is always someone who does not want anyone near that island.
9. Who gave orders for the second protocol to “torch” the island?
So many questions! Such a BRILLIANT show!!!!!!
Comment 315, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
My comment on the Seconday Protocol debate. IMO, though Keamy et al., call it the secondary protocol, that does NOT mean that is what Dharma thought of that book as, or whoever wrote the manual that Keamy is reading.
The book/file Keamy was reading/glancing over, simply had the Orchid logo on it. That book could have all kinds of stuff written in it about The Orchid, and a general note of its importance. In that sense, Keamy understands that it is a place where Ben would go.
Comment 316, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
“I don’t think Jin dies. Sun didn’t act like he died, IMO, she acted like he was still there and she was sad that he couldn’t be part of the 06.
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First time posting but i love reading you guys…please tell me if i’m wrong but don’t we know that Jin is alive…in the episode where Sun is having her baby, isn’t he running around trying to buy a panda bear for some other expectant mother? for some reason they are split up and mybe she actually does think he’s dead but i thought it was obvious that he gets off the island…unless they were doing a flash forward AND a flash backward at the same time…?
Comment 317, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
ESB wrote:
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First time posting but i love reading you guys…please tell me if i’m wrong but don’t we know that Jin is alive…in the episode where Sun is having her baby, isn’t he running around trying to buy a panda bear for some other expectant mother? for some reason they are split up and mybe she actually does think he’s dead but i thought it was obvious that he gets off the island…unless they were doing a flash forward AND a flash backward at the same time…?
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i think it was a FF and FB at the same time – a nice trick, by the way
Comment 318, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JCK wrote:
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i think it was a FF and FB at the same time – a nice trick, by the way
have they ever done that before? if not, seems a little strange…but then again that episode was pretty strange period…;)
Comment 319, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
ESB wrote:
have they ever done that before? if not, seems a little strange…but then again that episode was pretty strange period…;)
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I think that was the point, to keep us on our toes by doing something unexpected.
Comment 320, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Pretty sure Franks is gonna save the day and be the driving force who gets them rescued. Whatever puts the Oceanic 6 in so much shock is something totally bizarro, like seeing the island totally disappear for instance, and they have nothing to be able to say about it. If they told every one what the hell really went on there they couldn’t prove it (they would sound like crazies too), no island. If it is some how a “decision” that lets people off the island by Ben or Jacob or whoever, I think the Oceanic 6 are told some sort of lie, like they can go back or be in touch with or some how see again whoever decides to stay on the island which they later find out the truth about once they leave so they tell the lies they are telling because they think whoever is still on-island might as well be dead.
Des effed up buy not pushing the button all that time ago now…
Comment 321, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
ESB wrote:
There was a pretty good debate here when the episode first aired. At the top of the screen there is a section called “ARCHIVES”. Click on that and you can read any posts from previous episodes.
Comment 322, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Kathy wrote:
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I agree with that, but part of me is thinking that he ends up having to be killed or dying somehow because he realizes that Widmore really was behind the whole fake plane thing and he doesn’t agree with the lie about there being only 6 survivors. Funny though how cool he’s turned out to be since the first time we saw him Naomi was complaining about him being a drunk!
Comment 323, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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I think that was the point, to keep us on our toes by doing something unexpected.
yeah, the ABC Lost site says it was a FF and FB at the same time in the episode re-cap so i guess that answers my question…but thanks for the replies…CANNOT WAIT for the season finale…and then I CANNOT WAIT until it comes out for sale on dvd and i can watch it all again…;)
peace!
Comment 324, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
“EPISODES” also.
Comment 325, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
i think i was seeing conspiracy weirdness in that episode when maybe there wasn’t any…i was thinking at the time that Jin gets off the island but isn’t considered one of the O6 for some reason and has had to start (or pretend) to start a new/different life for some reason…reading it now, it doesn’t make much sense…
anyways, as for the current episode, i would say there is good reason to believe that based on the way it was shot and the way Sun looks back that that will be the last time they see each other (for a while at least)…
Comment 326, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
No one has mentioned the telescoping baton yet.
Comment 327, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Kathy wrote:
Jack said two weeks ago that Sawyer “chose” to stay. Implying that Sawyer, alone, made that decision. I am not entirely sure if Ben or Widmore had a say in it.
Comment 328, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I think that was the point, to keep us on our toes by doing something unexpected.
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Now is that all five toes or just four? ;)
Comment 329, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Lins wrote:
ROFLOL. Good one, Lins!
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Comment 330, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Lins wrote:
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Now is that all five toes or just four?
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my vote is for four…;) that is one of the main things i would like explained before the show is over…too weird…;)
Comment 331, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Off the wall theory with minimal evidence: Jacob is Locke, that’s why Jacob has to have Christian speak for him, if future Locke and past locke come in contact with each other … BLAMMO! (like rabbit #15)
Yes ANON, I noticed the silly baton too, what’s up with that?
Comment 332, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Sun not being at Hurley’s b-day party: She lives in Korea and is pregnant. Many airlines will not allow women to fly in their last trimester. Also, if her pregnancy had some complications, her doctor would not let her fly. So her absence is not really a big mistery.
Jack and Kate: Another reason why I think they were in a relationship right after getting back, at Hurley’s party, all the way to when Jack found out Aaron was his nephew,… is that during the trial Jack was asked about his previous romantic relationship with Kate. I believe this was in refence to their relationship AFTER they got back, because if it was in reference to their relationship on the island they could have a. denied it b. it would mean they were talking about what had happened on the island (unlikely) c. someone else had spilled the beans to the National Inquirer.
Comment 333, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
ANON2 wrote:
We didn’t see him use it as a telescope. I believe it is the same weapon that he used in the desert. It looked like he had it behind his back. Here are the 2 screencaps. Note the wardrobe change. Shirt with a collar. Shirt without.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0hbal9llI/AAAAAAAABeg/iLtgwXvfuXc/s1600-h/pict+2008-05-15+11-27-0611.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0hbal9llI/AAAAAAAABeg/iLtgwXvfuXc/s1600-h/pict+2008-05-15+11-27-0611.jpg
Comment 334, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Ahhh, Friday afternoon and 300 posts to read. Man, this ginger ale and rum is good….
That’s some party they got going on at the boat now. I’m guessin’ Mike feels like someone who brought a butter knife to gun fight. So how come no one here has translated what Jin said to Sun?
Comment 335, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
MiraKS wrote:
I agree with you that her not being there is not a big deal, but I disagree about her not being able to fly, at least in the mythology of the show.
Claire.
Comment 336, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Can’t you see Ben and Martin in a throw down to the death? Ben charges Martin with a blood-shot, bugged-out, glazed look in his eye, attacking with his teeth like some rabid pit bull. All while in slow motion… Both yelling “aaaarggggghhhhh”,and “noooooooooooo”.
Ok I guess I’ll assign myself to Dan note deciphering duty. I’ll try to get back within a couple of weeks with my findings.
Comment 337, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
ANON2 wrote:
CAG wrote:
If his FF Ben had the baton in Tunisia to beat up the two horsemen and at Widmore’s apartment when he talked his way past the doorman. He was wearing Dr. Halliwax’s parka, when he showed-up in Tunisia, not knowing which D/M/Y it was. He handed the baton to Locke as he was going to confront Keamy. I assume he ‘travelled’ thru the Orchid, after a fight with whoever, maybe Team Keamy. At some point, Locke has to get the baton back to Ben before he departs. It was ODD that they made such a point of Ben handing the weapon to Locke, when we have not seen it before on the island, and now, just yards from the Orchid.
Comment 338, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
He said “I’m sure glad they called the other Asain-looking guy Donger and Ghengis.”
Comment 339, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
OK. Great episode by the way. Cant wait for the other 2 hours. Here is my take on the Jack and Sun issue. I think she is definatly gonna blame one of the returning six as the other half of Jin death. Here how it will go down. Keamy is gonna have someone Jack cares about as a hostage so Jack is gonna have to make the decision to kill Keamy and destroy the freighter or let the person he cares about die by Keamy’s hands. I think he will also already have the info about the C4 on the freaighter and thats why Sun will get off the freighter before it blows up becasue she has seen the explosives. so he is gonna make an educated decision when he kills Keamy. It MAY not be Jack that has to make this decision but as I see it he is the most likely candidate right now. Any thoughts?
Comment 340, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
OK. Just a couple of thoughts after FINALLY catching up with all the comments.
1. Someone had mentioned that they were told to lie…well a lot of someones. Why would they go along with it? To help their fellow islanders? What difference would that make if the island gets moved? I doubt they are going to go on some world wide mission to find it considering all the crazy stuff they saw there. It’s like…what if I saw a UFO right now? Nobody would believe me anyway. Even if Whidmore were to find it, he already knows its SOMEWHERE and it moved. He would just keep looking for it.
2. Maybe they are fearing their own lives. Could this be why Nadia was killed? Did she know something she wasn’t supposed to?
3. I also do not believe Sun acted like a new pregnant widow. I would be crying my eyes out on that plane. Even during the conference..you would think she would still be crying or start crying when they asked her about her husband.
4. I do not think she is mad at jack about anything. I am pretty sure she is angry at whoever caused his death whether it’s Keamie’s explosive or Whidmore for wanting to torch the island. I even thought she was mad at herself.
5. Where is everyone getting the idea that Hurley would use his lottery money to help Sun? Do you think he has some problem with HER? He thinks his money is evil and wants nothing to do with it…IMO. Maybe everyone who says that is right, but I get the impression he wants nothing to do with that money.
6. I think Jack and Kate were dating and that he found out about Aaron…couldn’t look at him anymore, and then “changes his mind.”
7. Lastly, I tried so hard to figure this out. The fact the baby looks older doesn’t bother me because that baby has looked way older for a long time now. What bothers me is why they are lying about his age. Maybe because if she was too far along, it would have been noticed she wasn’t prego with the Marshal and she couldn’t get away with lying. I am not sure why the trial for her was postponed for so long unless she posted bail and wasn’t allowed to leave the county. I also had thought that if the baby was 5 weeks old and she claimed she was breastfeeding him then maybe it had something to do with weaning. I tried to find info on California laws on women being convicted or going to trial with a newborn…didn’t find anything…so guess that can’t be it. Maybe dealing with island time?
I think that’s it. I swear I couldn’t keep up with the comments…I have been catching up for hours!
Comment 341, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Comment 342, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
There is a really good timeline of Pre-Crash, Post-Crash and Post-Island on Wikipedia. We could all use the refresher http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline
Comment 343, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Ouch…my sides…my cheeks….can’t stop laughing….
Comment 344, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
a magna gunk? a munk gang?
Comment 345, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
I look at that alot although it is not “canon”, it is still good source. I also get the episode transcripts from there and, of course, the whisper transcripts.
Comment 346, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Dub8er_e wrote:
she didn’t seem mad at him on the coast guard flight… i thought it would more likely be michael, widmore or ben
Comment 347, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Jaru wrote:
Awesome Jaru. TY. Do you speak Korean?
Comment 348, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Speaking of whispers, after I peeled my ears of the tv speakers in excitment trying to hear the whispers that Hugo heard, I realized how funny he was. Walking towards the whispers, “I can’t believe I’m doing this.” He was going to attack the island whisperers with Jesus…LOL.
Comment 349, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Jaru wrote:
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Tasha wrote:
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Well, if you said you saw a UFO, I wouldn’t likely believe you, but if you and FIVE OTHER PEOPLE who were SUPPOSE TO BE DEAD AND THEN WEREN’T all said you were on an island with mysterious powers, (but don’t look for it because it moved), I might actually think twice about it.
As for Sun: What you said got me thinking. She didn’t act like a new pregnant widow (even though she technically is/might be) because she is suppose to be several months out from Jin’s death. That actually explains some of what I see as conflict in her at the press conference. To her, Jin JUST DIED (presumably), but she is SUPPOSE to act like he died several months ago and she has had survival on her mind, and has had some time to process and deal with her grief. Pretty hard to pull off, I would imagine.
Comment 351, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
RGS brought up a good point before that maybe it is Juliet. Sun was already packed to go meet up with Locke, until Juliet told Jin what an AWFUL wife she was. IMO, Sun was not a good person pre-island. She had the nanny fired, as a kid, and I think she might have killed her lover. So maybe Sun feels that if she would have went to find Locke, Jin would still be alive.
SIDENOTE – I like “bones” Hammer, I visit the DAWG POUND every Sunday from Sept. – Dec. Cav’s vs. CREAMPUFFS Sunday 3:30. (Sorry Toeknee) Make sure you call Ray Allen and tell him there’s a game.
Comment 352, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
LOL…I wonder how far JORGE actually jogged. Hurley was right, he is one of the craziest ( to the Real World ). He asked the sanest questions to Ben though, ones that some or most of us were thinking.
Comment 353, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I believe some sort of “course correcting” or input/output rule is why there are only 6 in the Ocean 6. Some sort of discussion/debate/lottery must happen and six people get to leave, so naturally it’s the most popular six on the island. I’m sure Sawyer does some sort of “I’m chosing to stay on the island” routine based on FF’s of Jack Kate convo’s. And there are probably some other self eliminators like Locke, I think Juliet dies on island and her story ends (freakin’ hope so anyways) so she isn’t even considered. They would probably give her some sort of meaningful death type scenario though.
What is really making me spin is wondering what happens to Des.
Comment 354, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
2 good points Rita. Jin is dead, right (bone)? If his death happened not so long ago, wouldn’t she have expressed more EMOTION? Especially to her mother. But, then again I am not familiar with the Korean culture. Maybe showing EMOTION in public is a no-no. I’m pretty sure that disobeying your father is. She really just ignored her father. I believe Jin to be dead though. I would like to see the story though, as we saw Charlie’s. Sorry PJ.
Comment 355, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Kathy wrote:
Penny shows up and rescues him and him ALONE.
Then he becomes the ECONOMIST. I dont see how it could possibly happen but, that would be nice. Who doesn’t like Des?
Comment 356, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Aside form everything else, I want to know how Hurley gets on the plane home. Plus – and this is speculative – do we think he’s the one in the coffin (seen, I believe, at the end of 3rd season (Jack with big beard and aviators)). WOAH what a good half of the finale. Tears to eyes.
Comment 357, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
Two theories on ‘the temple’:
Theory 1)Call me crazy, but I could swear that Jack and Kate stumble upon a ‘temple’ of sorts near the caves in season 1. I need to go back and watch that.
Theory 2)What if the temple is INSIDE the 4 toed statue?
Theory on ‘Adam and Eve’:
Desmond and Penny?
I think Penny might just give up her off-island life to accompany Des on the island after she finds it and realizes he can’t leave.
Can’t wait for the rest of the season finale!
Comment 358, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
i just watched the episode again. Did anyone notice that the co-pilot of the plane was holding a rabbits tail and said “we’ll need this for good luck with the folks we have on the plane” and, Hugo’s dad also had a rabbit’s tail on the key chain for the car he showed him. Any significance to that and the Rabbit video from the Orchid (15)?
Comment 359, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think the frieghter will explode. The guy on the boat said something was broadcasting from it. Probably a connection between the thing on Keamy’s arm and the explosives. If you stop the connection between the explosives and the device on Keamy’s arm, it won’t matter if Keamy dies. No connection, no explosion. Said is like McGuyver. Just give him a toothpick and a paperclip and he can fix anything.
Comment 360, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
I guess I am just going to have to be the soul optimist left among us, because I also think Jin, Desmond, Sawyer and Juliet are all still alive – just “stuck” on the island. Two weeks ago, I might have counted Claire among them. Now, I am not so sure.
: ) P
Comment 361, posted 1 year, 10 months ago - Quote and reply
lost-on-mars wrote:
Just for the record, those were feet, not tails. I think it is just a clue or nod that the Orchid will be coming into play soon.
Comment 362, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Maybe I’m missing something, but everyone keeps talking about Jin being dead and remember we saw him in a flash forward, he was visiting another baby in the hospital while Sun was giving birth to hers. How could he die?
Comment 363, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Totally what I was thinking too Hammer.
Comment 364, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Confused wrote:
That was NOT a flashforward. It was a flashback to when he and Sun were first married and he was still a grunt for Mr. Paik. It was a simultaneous flashforward for Sun and flashback for Jin, meant to totally throw us off. At the end of the episode, Sun is at Jin’s graveside, and the date on the marker was 9-22-2004, the date of the crash. So the world at large has been led to believe he died IN THE CRASH, which we know he did not.
This is not just a guess on our part, by the way. D&C confirmed the FB/FF in a podcast.
: ) P
Comment 365, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Who is D&C? :)
Comment 366, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
The shows producers and writers and creators: Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof.
Comment 367, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
They film little tidbits from time to time (podcasts) to help clear up misinterpretations of the show.
Comment 368, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Confused wrote:
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Damon and Carlton, the producers and head writers.
Comment 369, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
helen wrote:
Comment 370, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
helen wrote:
The guy driving the boat told Desmond there was a signal transmitting from the boat, and that is what they couldnt turn, he went searching for what was transmitting and aparently it was the C4 (problably transmitting to the metronome on Keameys arm)
Comment 371, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
The guy driving the boat told des that there was a signal transmitting from the boat, and that this signal was interfering with something. He went to find what was transmitting and found the C4, probably transmitting to keamy.s arm
Comment 372, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
All caught up on the comments here and elsewhere. Some disbelief that the “LITTLE” inflatable outboard was making a few runs from ship-to-shore as the freighter is 40NM off-shore. Obviously it is not. The freighter used to be at 80NM (nautical miles), recently Frank and Dan used 40NM as the distance. MY belief is that the freighter is probably closer to 5 NM by now. That is the only way such a small shuttle (not a real Zodiac) could go back and forth so quickly… and… without refueling its’ tiny 5 gallon tank. If seas were any rougher than what we have seen, that tiny dingy would easily flip. My point… the freighter, and the phenomena protecting the island, are collapsing toward the island. Time differentials are starting to get very close.
Comment 373, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
That didn’t work to well. But take a look at these 2.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SBF2Q0i_tuI/AAAAAAAAAw8/L-BYEwLYG5c/s1600-h/4×09-00048.jpg
That is from Ben in the desert. Take a close look at the baton. Now take a look at this screencap from the PILOT episode.
http://bp2.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SC7TCGk2aNI/AAAAAAAAYrY/rW0ovakV45E/s1600-h/Pilot_a.jpg
Is that it? It’s hard for me to tell. The opening scene of Ben’s FF did remind me of Jack in the pilot episode, although Jack didn’t puke like Ben.
Comment 374, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
It is hard to tell. If I were made to guess, I would say they are not the same. The black object next to Jack seems to be shiny and somewhat larger than the one Ben is holding.
I don’t understand what you are saying about the shirt and collar, please explain? He is clearly wearing different outfits, is that what you mean?
I don’t want to BUY the DVD’s until the series is over and they sell a complete series version (learned my lesson on that one). But I do think I will have to rent and watch them all in order!
: ) P (who is going to go add LOST to my Blockbuster Online Queue!)
Comment 375, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Yes, yes….I’m still diggin’ your theory.
Comment 376, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Props to everyone who thought Jack knew he was related to Aaron in SNBH! I’ll admit I was wrong about that one.
Comment 377, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Can someone explain to me why Desmond left on a boat and was brought right back to the island….and now when you leave on a boat….you can go back to the real world?(sorry…I call it the real world.) Does that have something to do with the blowing of the swan station?
Comment 378, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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It seems that you have to leave the island on a specific heading. Otherwise, you don’t escape it. Michael left on the specific heading that Ben gave him and was able to leave even before the hatch blow. They are using the heading now, back and forth, and are able to get through to the “real world”.
Comment 379, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Wonder what it is that gets Hugo into the Camaro later when he goes nuts. I always thought those were the ugliest Camaros…I actually worked in a place in the early 70s and two guys both bought those ugly orange Z28s!
The ones a few years before are very cool and now collectors items.
Hugo musta spent all that money because if he still had it why in the hell would he be such a cheap ass Asylum instead of a real nice one with lots of nice attendants and good facilities.
Yeah; Hugo’s Mom is pretty clueless.
Comment 380, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think Des gets off the island, though clearly not as one of the Oceanic 6, as he was not on the flight. I am curious as to how he would explain resurfacing (in “Castaway” Tom Hanks was on a deserted island for 4 years). His story was that he was alone.
Sun/Paik Industries/Hurley:
Paik Heavy Industries, aka Paik Motors, Paik Automotive. Sun’s father “Paik” runs the company, hires his son in law Jin who he hates. Sun & Jin had an unstable marriage (she had an affair, he was supposedly her father’s hit man). Paik staffed Jin on a mission to deliver Rolex watches from Sydney to LA. Jin invited Sun along. Sun planned to dessert Jin at the Sydney airport. Her father probably knew this, as Sun confided in her decorator who probably worked for Paik too (I am guessing the part about the decorator to support my theory). Mr. Paik, of Paik Heavy Industries, aka Paik Motors, Paik Automotive (I am mentioning the full name again for a reason). I am thinking that Paik manufactured either (1) the fake Oceanic Plane or (2) The freighter, and that Paik was hired by Widemore. Obvioulsy Mr. Paik did not know Sun would be on Oceanic flight 815 (she was supposed to leave Jin at the airport), but he knew, and didn’t mind that Jin would be on the flight. This now makes me think that a select few knew that Oceanic 815 was doomed, Mr. Paik being one of them. Not only do I think Widemore and Paik are well connected, but both of them hated their daughter’s boyfriends/husbands enough to plot their dissappearance to the island. Further, I think Sun figures it out – somehow (and I welcome comments) and uses her settlement to buy the majority stake of Paik for (1) revenge / spite against her father for sending Jin and unknowingly Sun, on a ill fated flight and (2) to prevent Paik from doing more business with Widemore, thus preventing Paik from finding or disrupting the island. It is clear to me, in my opinion, that the Oceanic 6 share a common goal in protecting the island. As for Hurley, he did mention in this week’s episode, not wanting anything to do with his lotto millions. However, I’m sure he received a settlement from Oceanic Airlines and contributed to the Paik buyout because he wants to help Sun.
Comment 381, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I want to think so too- the only thing is that Jack is all about keeping his promise and making sure everyone gets off the island.. i don’t see how he can be so ok with being off the island if he left anyone behind that didn’t want to be left behind (like he says of sawyer choosing to stay). I just don’t understand what could’ve happened to juliet to make the future jack not as concerned about her anymore. and what could have happened to her that she wouldn’t be a part of sun’s baby’s delivery is she did make it off the island.
Comment 382, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
cindy wrote:
i mean, IF she did make it off the island..
Comment 383, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Why did the altimeter on the Coast Guard plane show zero?
I haven’t seen that question posted. I don’t think it’s a production error because it was just too prominent.
Comment 384, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
One more note, I am still trying to define “Doomed”.
Comment 385, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I was hoping that we would see, this season, how Ben ended up in the Sahara desert in Oct. 2005. I thought once he went to the Orchid there might be some way he transports himself to the desert.
Comment 386, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Confused wrote:
I think it was a flashback within a flashfoward. After he delivered the panda, a nurse asked him about being a father and he said not to rush him that he’s only been married a year.
I’m confused about this; If Jin dies on the freighter in an explosion, there’s no body to bury and hence, there wouldn’t be a gravesite but Hurley and Sun visited the grave. Sun said at the press conference that Jin didn’t survive the crash, didn’t make it off the plane. How would they explain finding Jin’s body and burying him?
Sorry if this has already been addressed. I’m a new reader and poster.
Comment 387, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobola wrote:
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Yeah, but Hugo’s Dad is Cheech!!
Maybe there is some hidden meaning there?
Comment 388, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
btr wrote:
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There does not need to be a body to have a gravestone. It is common when the body is not found to still have a gravestone.
Comment 389, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
RD wrote:
There were some jokes on a podcast about “smokey” and Cheech being on the same side. I wish I remembered the wording, because it was a good chuckle.
: ) P
Comment 390, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Once again, avoid the ABC commercial promos. Clue for the “big kiss” and what’s down the elevator.
Comment 391, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That’s gonna be tough for me today. What’s happening to those Wings?
Comment 392, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
cindy wrote:
Comment 393, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
I’d like to say officiating, but the officials have been horrible for both teams. Dallas came in tired and the Wings were able to take advantage. Now Dallas has their legs and Detroit hasn’t matched the intensity. I figured Wings in 7 anyway. If Franzan can play…Wings in 6.
Comment 394, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
Comment 395, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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JamieGirl wrote:
I also think Des gets off the island then eventually ends up in the coffin after Ben get’s his revenge on Widmore. ( Penny )
JamieGirl wrote:
Funny, Ben also hated his daughter’s boyfriend too. I think you summed up the connection between Widmore and Paik pretty well. I remember reading something similar about their connection in the Ji Yeon thread. Very well thought out.
Comment 397, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Sounds like a plausible theory to me. The choice of words Jack used in SNBH was very odd though when referring to Sawyer and his whereabouts.
JACK: But he’s not here, is he? No. No, he made his choice. He chose to stay. I’m the one who came back. I’m the one who’s here. I’m the one who saved you.
“He chose to stay”. That makes it sound like Sawyer COULD have left if he wanted to. JMO.
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If Sawyer “chose” to stay that makes it sound like anyone could have chose to stay on the island or return to the real world; but that doesn’t sit right with me because there were many Losties that certainly would have liked to return to ther real world: Bernard and Rose, Jin, maybe a few of the extras, etc… So I find it hard to wrap my mind around what Jack said about Sawyer “choosing” to stay…
Comment 398, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Deangoodes wrote:
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If Sawyer “chose” to stay that makes it sound like anyone could have chose to stay on the island or return to the real world; but that doesn’t sit right with me because there were many Losties that certainly would have liked to return to ther real world: Bernard and Rose, Jin, maybe a few of the extras, etc… So I find it hard to wrap my mind around what Jack said about Sawyer “choosing” to stay…
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Right, some choose, some don’t have the opportunitysome(island moves)and some are dead (comment 395).
Comment 399, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
My memory is fuzzy and I’m having a hard time finding it. But I thought there was a scene were Sawyer tells Kate he’s not interested in going home because he has nothing to go back to?
Comment 400, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Found it:
[KATE moves the curtain aside and looks out the window, then turns and walks towards SAWYER.]
KATE: So what, I’m your prisoner?
SAWYER: If that sorta thing turns you on.
[KATE sits on the bed. Getting no reaction from KATE, SAWYER looks remorseful. KATE looks at SAWYER, angry.]
KATE: What are you doing here with Locke?
SAWYER: (mystified) I’m not with him.
KATE: Yeah, you are, James.
SAWYER: Then what are you doing with Jack?
KATE: I went with Jack because I believe he can get us off this island.
[SAWYER shakes his head and approaches KATE.]
SAWYER: I guess that’s the difference between us.
[SAWYER sits next to KATE.]
SAWYER: (continues) I ain’t lookin to leave.
KATE: Why not?
SAWYER: (considers) Cause, I ain’t got nothin’ back there for me.
KATE: (flabbergasted) What’s here that’s so much better?
SAWYER: Why do you want to go back, Kate? Seem to recall you being shuttled off to jail before we landed here. So if you think there’s anything waiting for you back home other than handcuffs, you really don’t know how the world works. Look around us, Freckles. We’ve got roofs over our heads. Electricity, showers, beds.
KATE: Yeah, how long, Sawyer? How long can do you think we can play house?
SAWYER: (lowers voice) Why don’t we find out? (lowers his head earnestly)
Proves to me they are clueing us in that several folks choose to stay.
Comment 401, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Locke, Bernard, Rose don’t want to leave the island, Rose and Locke have been cured by the island.
Comment 402, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Deangoodes wrote:
Me too. But Kate didn’t really argue the point.
Comment 403, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
There is also a scene where Ben tells him about who is on the island, and what kind of person he would be off it.
Comment 404, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
BEN: Why’d you leave Kate behind?
SAWYER: Wasting your time, Yoda.
BEN: I know its not pleasant but, let’s face it, you really don’t stand a chance now…
SAWYER: Chance of what?
BEN: James. Look at yourself. Yes, on this Island you’re brave, daring, handsome, you’re someone, but if you left with them, back in the real-world a low-life scam artist like you could never compete with a first class surgeon. I think Kate was really upset when you made your choice to come with us. Thank god she has Jack there to comfort…
Ben is helping him with his choice.
Comment 405, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Should be a little easier to wrap you head around Sawyer’s “choice”.
Comment 406, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
LOL…When I typed the comment 402…I thought I hit submit. Jumped in the shower, came back and I never hit it. Hit it, then I read the other comments and said “DOH” (like Homer). Sometimes you just need to talk with others and rationalize.
Comment 407, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
That is funny. I’ve done it myself. There are so many clues written in advance that it gets hard to remember them all.
Comment 408, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Yep, even in the last episode when Sawyer runs into Jack and Kate and they argue, Sawyer drops the, “what’s with you and gettin off this island anyway.” Couple that with Jack’s comments to Kate, plus the points you guys reference, I can see Sawyer opting to stay.
Rose and therefore Bernard. I think some of the extras will all of a sudden want to stay, maybe because of something Alpert and his folks say or do. Jin either dies, or is thought to be dead by all of the O6, and definitely Sun.
Since we think that future Jack is trying to get the O6 folks to go back, maybe he convinces Sun that Jin may be alive and therefore that gets her to want to go back.
Comment 409, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Well those who say that Sawyer’s “choice” to stay on the island was his not having anything to go home to may be right, but I think there might be more to it.
I think Sawyer “chose” to stay behind and look for Claire. I think that the island finally turned him into the man who cared for others before himself. There may or may not have been romantic feelings for Claire, he did look at her very lovingly – but, it may have been a more big brother, than lover look – and was VERY protective of her, Aaron AND Hurley.
I think that Jack’s SAYING that Sawyer CHOSE to stay (in not particularly KIND way, IMO) was more about Jack’s pointing out that Sawyer chose NOT to be with Kate. That Sawyer chose Claire over Kate.
Did Jack tell Kate that Sawyer chose to stay on the island before or after Jack found out that Claire was his sister? If it was after, it may also be that Jack is grappling with the fact that Sawyer stayed on the island to look for Jack’s own sister and that this marks the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral, because JACK now feels even MORE responsible for Claire’s fate.
: ) P
Comment 410, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I like it. You tied the pieces together nicely. I posted something similar, although not as in depth, in comment 168.
Lebron 40 points, 12 rebounds, 12 assists. Go CAVS. I’m out.
Comment 411, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
There is… I think it’s the same scene where she assures him she is not pregnant.
Comment 412, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Replying to myself…
I looked it up.
We saw in TNPLH pt1 that Jack finds out that Claire is his sister after his father’s memorial service. Aaron at that time is little, but must be about eight months old.
AFTER the trial, when Jack and Kate are together, and Aaron is a toddler:
KATE: (Sighs) I was doing something for him.
JACK: For who?
KATE: For Sawyer. I made him a promise. It… (sighs)
JACK: (sighs) What?
KATE: It doesn’t matter. It has nothing to do with us.
JACK: Then why won’t you tell me?
KATE: Because–because he wouldn’t want me to.
***JACK: But he’s not here, is he? No. No, he made his choice. He chose to stay. I’m the one who came back. I’m the one who’s here. I’m the one who saved you.
KATE: Jack. (Sniffles) You can’t–you can’t do this. If you have problems, you need to figure them out. All right? ‘Cause I can’t have you like this around my son.
JACK: Your son? You’re not even related to him!
So Jack DID know that he was Aaron’s uncle. And the timeline is right for him to have been feeling even more guilty about his sister’s fate and Sawyer’s staying behind to look for Claire.
: ) P
Comment 413, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Sure, why not? Still remains that some folks chose to stay behind and IMO he will be one of them regardless of actual reason(s).
Comment 414, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
If in fact some of the Losties do “choose” to stay on the island, it must appear safer to them at that point than it does where we are in the storyline now; what with Keamy and his men storming the joint. So I CAN see some of them wanting to stay if the danger has passed (due to the island moving or Keamy being eliminated).
But looking at the big picture, if Kate goes back to the real world, WHY does Sawyer want to stay?? At best his friends will be Ben and Locke, I don’t see any chance of a love interest, Dharma supplies and island fruit can’t be that delicious….Maybe the reason will be revealed soon.
Comment 415, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Deangoodes wrote:
Sawyer’s reason would likely be very different than Locke’s and Rose’s, but I don’t think either of them think the real world is better for them regardless of Keamy. Locke doesn’t want his old life wheel chair or not. Rose has a death sentence if she leaves….so nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Comment 416, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer, Thanks for all the counterpoints when I am thinking out loud on the blog. If I had that much Lost in my head I wouldn’t have room in there for anything else. So I bounce ideas off you or whoever else might be able to help. Thanks again.
Comment 417, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Deangoodes wrote:
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Very likely, Sawyer chooses to stay in a very selfless act, sort of “women and children first”, and “real men” let the weaker among them go first, etc. Jack has already decided to go, and of course feels really guilty once he understands why Sawyer is staying. He feels like a wimp. He has to rationalize his position and fight for it, more to convince himself than Kate. Then he finds out that Claire is his sister, and feels even worse for his selfish choice to leave the island and leave others behind while he gets on with his tidy and predictable life as a surgeon.
Comment 418, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
A couple of things I noticed…
Why was Nadia waiting outside with a police car?
Interesting that Jin and Sun were really the only “main characters” that went to the freighter on the first trip…makes me wonder if she does go back when the raft returns…gets back to the island and then it “moves”, the raft can’t get back to the freighter so she has no choice but to get on the helicopter to return to the normal world?
Comment 419, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Lins wrote:
interesting thought- any ideas on whether michael finally dies on the freighter? we keep talking about des and jin but michael is like invincible.
Comment 420, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
remember how hurley said to jack that he should’ve gone with him instead of Locke? he said that in a flashforward at the mental institution when jack visited him. after watching the episode again jack and sawyer were about to take the helicopter and stopped only because hurley was with locke and ben and they had to go back to get him. maybe he said that to jack because if they had just left then, maybe more people could’ve been saved.
Comment 421, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
cindy wrote:
Interesting idea. I think it is very plausible. Hurley does seem quite sad most of the times that we see him post-island. He is so tormented!
Comment 422, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
cindy wrote:
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Hold down the ctrl key and the f key at the same time. A small screen will pop up. Type in Michael, and you will be able to jump to all the posts regarding Michael that are on this thread. Since you are interested, I think you will enjoy the posts already here about Michael.
Comment 423, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Who was the woman getting in the raft to the Freighter wearing the pink shirt? I don’t remember ever seeing her. Ms. Anonymous?
Maybe they just needed some filler bodies to get to the Freighter so they would have a few extra people to blow up later along with Jin and…maybe Michael?
And if Michael still cannot die maybe he will get blown up and get all scarred up with terrible burns but still live. I’d like that! He did have some Keamy wounds showing when Sun and Jin talked to him on the deck.
Maybe it’s Hugo that screws things up so that Jin can’t get rescued…and maybe why he gives Sun some bucks later (if that’s the case).
Fav lines by Ben; How many times to I HAVE to tell you John? I always have a plan!
That’s the good old Ben I love to hate.
Could anyone ever make a more scary face than Keamy just before he smacks Ben? I hope that little baton gets used at some point by widdle old Ben on the group crowd of Mercenaries. Seems Benny knows his share of moves after how he dealt with the Arabs in the desert.
(“Oh, you DO speak English.”)
I want more Charlotte…what a babe, but maybe an evil babe.
And it seems the Airline Co. is somehow complicit in the coverup the way they are so emphatic in their story at the Press Conference. The spokeslady sure did play a prissy corporate bitch well.
I don’t care how bad the Aussie accents get as long as I never hear Charlie sing again. All Aussie accents sound bad to me…like nails on a chalkboard.
Someone mentioned that headstones ARE placed even if there is no body. Yes, indeed. My Uncle was lost in WW2 at sea in his fighter plane. When I photographed his “grave” a light showed up on the film going from the sky to the headstone! And the sun was behind me.
Comment 424, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Deangoodes wrote:
Quite welcome, I do the same thing. Plenty of thinkers around here to help out.
Comment 425, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Thoughts:
1. Yeah! Do I now get to find out the story of Christian Shepherd and Claire’s mom?
2. Michael is with Jin when he dies on the frieghter and Sun gives Michael his watch as some sort of thank you or keepsake.
3. What the heck is stinkin’ Miles up to???? No good I bet! Can’t stand him and his shifty eyes. Is he in this whole thing for himself and rebelling against Widmore???? He is going to be a key to something. He just seems to be his own sneaky little entity. What does he know?
4. What about the 3.2 mil?
5. Somebody please make Faraday spill all he knows and explain his notebook!!!!
6. Speaking of notebooks, whatever happened with that big pile of composition notebooks near the Swan Station from S1????
7. Um…sorry I know they do like each other, but I don’t see any chemistry at all between Faraday and CSLewis.
8. Sun knows more than the other losties post-rescue. Whao, totally off the wall crazy thought—okay, Sun is not at CS’s funeral and Jack says “10 months ago…blah, blah…,”… She confronts daddy and he asks how the pregnancy is going…Hurley visits her and he is glad no one else came…She wasn’t at Hurley’s party…Hmmmm……What’s going on with Sun and Hurley???? Could Sun be preggers a second time with Hurley, Jr.?????
9. Maybe Rose and Bernard are the two “dead” of the ‘08.
Comment 426, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Claire’s mom in this episode is not the same gal that played Mrs. Littleton in the episode where Goth Claire crashed the car. The previous was a former “Mrs. Hawaii”. This one is an actress known for performing in England and the U.S.
Comment 427, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
There’s no place like home…..means the island!
Comment 428, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
There’s no place like home definitely means….the island!
Comment 429, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobola wrote:
Finally someone commented on the airline personnel. Was that woman on the rescue flight a bitch or what? Generally in situations like these, there are therapists present, not skeptical bitches.
Comment 430, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
intolost wrote:
re:Miles – que? I know he started-off a little unlikeable (LIKE SAWYER), but I am starting to like him a lot. I agree that when we get his big ‘reveal’, it will be huge, and will be the key to something important. Sawyer has grown from my least fave – to most fave – in one season. I hope Miles becomes more interesting re: the story… if not, then at least keep him for comic relief, now that Hugo is getting all future creepy. Miles may also make his “rainbow connection” with the island, and want to stay – LOST.
re: Sun knows more… I don’t think that she ‘knows’ more… I think she is more willing to act on what she knows, compared to the other OA6. She may be very angry at dad, having learned some of his secrets, and at her life in his shadow, growing-up. She is just getting her adult confidence, now that she has money and doesn’t need dad. Time for payback! She reminds me of the Terminator – “I’ll be back” – no she is.
re: Rose & Bernard = dead OA8. I hope not anytime soon. I see them (potentially) as the Adam & Eve corpses… hopefully after the island goes thru a few more time cycles.
Comment 431, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
intolost wrote:
I think the notebook is Faraday’s constant.
Comment 432, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
You’re not, by any chance, a Skater, are you, Rita?
LOL
: ) P
Comment 433, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
I thought Rose decided to leave the island in last years season ender, am I remembering wrong? As I recall, Bernard was very surprised.
Comment 434, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay, I’ll give Miles a chance. It just seemed like he came slithering out of the jungle like a snake.
Sawyer, yes, stays to be there for/with Claire, Juliette, Locke, Rose, and Bernard. Sawyer rocks!
I think Alpert will save Ben’s butt.
I really want to know what happened to Dr. Candle!!
Here’s a Star Trek TNG analogy just for giggles:
Locke–Picard
Jack–Riker
Kate–Deanna Troi
Juliette–Bev Crusher
Sayid/Sawyer–Worf
Hurley–Data
Michael–Geordi la Forge
Comment 435, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Matrix connection…Neo and the white rabbit
What is the Matrix? What is the island?
Comment 436, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
btw…Were those whisperings Hurley heard coming from is party attendees or were they actually island Whisperers? Anyone?
Comment 437, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Ha ha! It sure sounded like it didn’t it?!! I guess I am with DocH and Sawyer is becoming one of my favorite characters. He is becoming nobel and human.
Comment 438, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
intolost wrote:
Comment 439, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
GuttahMan wrote:
The O6 must have a good reason to support the consipracy that the 815’s have all died. I dont buy that a large payout would be justification enough for them to go along with it. Particularly Hurley. There is no way Hugo would want that bad karma. I’m at a loss as to why they would support Widmore and abandon their friends. Cann’t wait to find out.
like your 06 rescue theory.
Comment 440, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think as long as Michael is on the freighter it will not blow up. Just as guns will not fire on him. Why would his work all of a sudden be done between now and when Keamy tried to shoot him? Unless fixing the engine was the end of his “work”. If I was Des, I would believe Michael’s story that the island won’t let him die, because I would know how crazy it is for anyone to believe that my conscience has been time traveling… As soon as I saw all the C-4, I would immediately want Michael to stand right in front of it. “Michael, I need you here, now!”
Comment 441, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Funny! Not a bad idea! Except we have no way to know when the island is done with you, or when it wants to use you at all. Other people have died (Tom, etc).
The O6 have been interesting to watch as they cope with their lies.
Sun: Lots of experience lying. No problems. Even seems to thrive.
Hurley: Hates the lies and doesn’t cope well. Ends up back in the hospital (OK, not just over the lies, but it contributes to his state of mind).
Kate: Also doesn’t seem to have a problem with it either. Just ambivilent, just one more lie.
Jack: At first no problems, just another challenge, then eventually falls apart.
Sayid: Reverts back to his military training. Becomes Ben’s assasin. Guilt? Default setting so he doesn’t have to think too much?
Aaron: The only one who didn’t lie. Good for him! :)
Comment 442, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
well thats attention to detail then :)
Comment 443, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Ha ha! It sure sounded like it didn’t it?!! I guess I am with DocH and Sawyer is becoming one of my favorite characters. He is becoming nobel and human.
NO, I don’t think he will be up for the Nobel Prize any time soon. HA.
Comment 444, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
CAG wrote:
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That did happen, in the first episode of this season. Locke announces his intention to stay on the island, several Losties go with him, but Rose says, “I’m not going anywhere with that man.” However, when the time actually comes to leave the island, she may change her mind.
Comment 445, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
ghostrider wrote:
Good question, but I’d guess that it was a production error. Either the plane wasn’t actually running, or the filming occurred in a studio on the ground.
Comment 446, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
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I can’t remember, did Rose actually say she wanted to leave the island — or just that she didn’t want to go with John? Not wanting to go with John doesn’t necessarily mean she wants to leave the island.
Comment 447, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
CAG wrote:
I’ll have to research, but I thought she decided to go to the beach with the folks trying to get rescued because she didn’t want to be with Locke. I don’t think she said she wanted to leave?
Comment 448, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
She never did specifically say she wanted to leave the island. The way that scene in S4E1 played out, it seemed to imply that people who went with Jack wanted to be rescued, and people who went with Locke wanted to stay. But perhaps Rose never had any intention of leaving the island, despite going with Jack.
Comment 449, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Here it is…one MIGHT interpret her remark as she wants to leave…but I don’t. She just doesn’t want to be with Locke ’cause she thinks he’s wrong and a killer.
Comment 450, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Oops….here it is:
LOCKE: Anyone else. There isn’t much time.
[Claire joins them, as do a number of others]
BEN: Jack with your permission, I’d like to go with John.
JACK: He’s all yours.
[Ben and Rousseau join Locke, as does Alex and Karl]
BERNARD: (To Rose) You said you’d never leave the Island, if you wanna go with Locke, I’ll be right behind ya.
ROSE: I’m not going anywhere with that man.
Comment 451, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
lost4ever wrote:
My condolences, lost4ever. Great performance by Lebron. Pierce made up for another Ray Allen no-show. Bring on the Pistons! (actually I’m dreading that series – I think Detroit will win it)
Comment 452, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
TY. I can’t believe I now have to root for the Pistons.
Comment 453, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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He is becoming more Jack-like.
Comment 454, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
intolost wrote:
This has been bothering me. It probably doesn’t matter to the overall rescue but isn’t the “Ocaenic 6 Story” that 8 people survived the intial crash? THEN Aaron was born after the crash ( 5 weeks ago ). I am not sure why they said 5 weeks.
Wouldn’t that make 9?
Comment 455, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
So Rose told Bernard she would never leave the island and that she didn’t want to go anywhere with that man. Sounds to me like Bernard has his hands full.
Comment 456, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hi All… I’m back, and refreshed from watching all the new epps…
I just finished reading something on Dark UFO that was interesting…
That black wand thingy that Ben used to whip the guys butts in the desert seems to be the same thing that he gave to Locke. But the interesting part is that they have a screen cap of Episode 1 when Jack wakes up, there’s something that resembles that black wand thingy lying right next to Jack… I wonder if it plays a part in time travel….
Comment 457, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
skweez wrote:
Not sure about the actual “time travel” aspect, but as to discussion of the black wand “thingy”, see comments 333, 373 and 374.
: ) P
Comment 458, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jemmy wrote:
Comment 459, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Hey!!! What wrong with that?!! It should be a great series.
Comment 460, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
wally p wrote:
Have you watched any of Season 2 or 3 yet?
Comment 461, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Sheed and Mr. Ed ( You call him Mr. big shot). Cant stand em.
Comment 462, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
wally p wrote:
Some people might disagree with you on this point. I think it is believed that the future is written, maybe not completely but certain aspects are. I think that ties into the whole course-correcting explained by Ms. Hawking in Season 3 “Flashes before yours eyes.” If you have not seen the episode there is a great recap on LOSTPEDIA.com. It is a good website to use as reference for some questions.
Comment 463, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
LOL. Mr. Ed. I can see why folks don’t like Sheed, I didn’t like him ’til he came to the D. Prince looks like a praying mantis, Rip looks like a billy goat….but at least none of them look like Sideshow Bob. :)
Comment 464, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Basically started watching at the end of 2. Missed a couple here and there.But its easy to miss and forget things anyway!
Comment 465, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
wally p wrote:
I agree. There is a ton of potential in this plotline. Everything (timelines) starts to sync-up BUT, things that were thrown WAY out-of-sync as they occurred in their individual timeline, find it hard to re-align. Perhaps Jack & Hurley show it best in their flashforwards – their mental health is failing. They are so far removed from where they need to be for ‘re-alignment’ to take place (island?/Orchid?) that they suffer terribly in future world. Maybe they even had a close encounter or two with an alternate version of themselves. Rabbit #15 could not be in the same room with its alternate self, as very bad things would happen. Jack & Hugo may have gotten too close to Jack #15 & Hurley #15… and bad things happened.
I can just imagine future Sayid on a mission for Ben, with Ben outside in a surveillance van. Ben calls him on the walkie-talkie. “Sayid, I thought you said you were in position.” “I am Benjamin, why do you ask?” “Ummm… because I just saw you walk in the front door of the building.” “I did not. I am in the stairwell as planned.” Ben, realizing he has an alternate Sayid on his hands directs… “Abort the mission now, get out of there any way you can… just don’t use the front entrance!”
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[ later that day, Ben treats Sayid to a "#1" tattoo on the hand, for identification purposes. ]
[:^)
Comment 466, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I want to modify my wish list.
1. My Whisperers theory answered.
2. DocH’s Timeline collision theory answered.
Comment 467, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Has there been any discussion on why the rabbit is rabbit #15? Did the first 14 rabbits die from testing of time travel? Have they sent the other rabbits into different times or different places? I don’t know if it will ever come up on the show but it seems worth discussing.
Comment 468, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
intolost wrote:
My guess is that it was a tease, the party goers were whispering…..but one can hope!
Comment 469, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I have another wish, but this one is for the final DVD set. I would like to see the ENTIRE series played out IN CHRONOLOGICAL order from the earliest flashback, to the last flashforward / present time scene.
I know it isn’t going to happen “officially” because it would require re-editing the entire series, but I bet there is an uber-fan out there just… er… ‘clever’ enough to do it.
: ) P
Comment 470, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
Yeah, I’m guessing that they want us to know that this isn’t the 1st expiremental rabbit.
Comment 471, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
But since the future is not yet written…. Especially when/if the past, present and future all overlap each other.
I agree. There is a ton of potential in this plotline. Everything (timelines) starts to sync-up BUT, things that were thrown WAY out-of-sync as they occurred in their individual timeline, find it hard to re-align. Perhaps Jack & Hurley show it best in their flashforwards – their mental health is failing. They are so far removed from where they need to be for ‘re-alignment’ to take place (island?/Orchid?) that they suffer terribly in future world. Maybe they even had a close encounter or two with an alternate version of themselves. Rabbit #15 could not be in the same room with its alternate self, as very bad things would happen. Jack & Hugo may have gotten too close to Jack #15 & Hurley #15… and bad things happened.
I can just imagine future Sayid on a mission for Ben, with Ben outside in a surveillance van. Ben calls him on the walkie-talkie. “Sayid, I thought you said you were in position.” “I am Benjamin, why do you ask?” “Ummm… because I just saw you walk in the front door of the building.” “I did not. I am in the stairwell as planned.” Ben, realizing he has an alternate Sayid on his hands directs… “Abort the mission now, get out of there any way you can… just don’t use the front entrance!”
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[ later that day, Ben treats Sayid to a “#1″ tattoo on the hand, for identification purposes.
That is another thing that kind of refers to Back to the Future 2 when Jennifer see’s herself. Also some stuff about the future is written…..have you guys seen Donnie Darko!!!
Comment 472, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
@469:
I would buy that DVD set but I would want to be able to watch an “enhanced” version, a commentary by cast version, a commentary by writers, and flashbacks to the Black Rock arrival, at least.
Better yet… back to the 4-toed Statue construction. Where the chief architect gets to the construction site for the first time and gets into a fight with the general contractor.
CA: “No, No man! Step back here with me, a little farther… just what is wrong with this picture?”
GC: “uh.. I’m not seeing it… OH!. Oops… sorry.”
Comment 473, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Do mean cracks in the concrete? JK. :)
Comment 474, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
These are some interesteing thought on teh movie Donnie Darko that can relate to Lost a little bit.
-”If a Tangent Universe occurs, it will be highly unstable, sustaining itself for no longer than several weeks.” In Donnies world, this is the 28 days to the end of the world.
Next you have WATER and METAL. The book states:
“Water is the barrier element for the construction of Time Portals used as gateways between Universes at the Tangent Vortex.
Metal is the transitional element for the construction of Artifact Vessels.”
-Next is the meaning of the engine falling into Donnie’s room. Note the following, also from the book: “When a Tangent Universe occurs, those living nearest to the Vortex will find themselves at the epicenter of a dangerous new world. Artifacts provide the first sign that a Tangent Universe has occured.”
The engine is the sign that the tangent universe began. It is a metal artifact. Book says, “their appearance on Earth seems to defy logical explanation.”
-Next is the receiver…which is DONNIE. The book says all of the following: “The Living Receiver is chosen to guide the Artifact into position for its journey back to the Primary Universe.
No one knows how or why a Receiver will be chosen.
The Living Receiver is often blessed with Fourth Dimensional Powers. These include increased strength, telekinesis, mind control, and the ability to conjure fire and water.”
-Book goes on to say, “The Living Receiver is often tormented by terrifying dreams, visions and auditory hallucinations during his time within the Tangent Universe.”
“The Manipulated Dead are more powerful than the Living Receiver. If a person dies within the Tangent Dimension, they are able to contact the Living Receiver through the Fourth Dimensional Construct.
Pretty intresting stuff taht might relate to the creators in some way.
Comment 475, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
JCdigsClaire wrote:
Whisperers?
Good stuff.
Comment 476, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
The only thing I see cracks in… are the Wings defense. NK :)
Comment 477, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
This is more Donnie Darko stuff I found from 2005. Interesting stuff again!!
This theory is based on the motion picture Donnie Darko (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0246578).
When I started watching Lost, I noticed it has plenty of parallels to this movie.
For example:
The books Sawyer is reading: Watership Down and A Wrinkle in Time. In D.D., Watership Down is read, viewed as a film and discussed in class. The movie also features a bunch of rabbit references. Basically, D.D. is about time travel, hence A Wrinkle in Time.
The term Deus Ex Machina. Donnie Darko learns of this expression through his teacher in a Watership Down-discussion. When attacked at Grandma Death’s house, he also whispers it.
Airplanes suddenly falling from the sky. Donnie is killed by a jet engine from the future flight of his mother and little sister.
Controlling ones destiny. Fate.
Manipulating people to make the right choices, and in that way save the universe (in Lost-perspective; solving the great mysteries of the island).
Donnie Darko sees Frank, the giant bunny rabbit, which in fact is a real person he has killed in the future (a Manipulated Dead). In Lost, Jack sees his father which is supposed to be dead.
Numbers. Donnie writes 28:06:42:12 on his arm (time left until the world will end). 4 8 15 16 23 42 is written on the side of the hatch-entrance.
Grandma Death (Roberta Sparrow) whispers to Donnie: “Every single creature on this earth dies alone.”
Jack says to the rest of the group: “… But if we can’t live together, we’re going to die alone.”
The focus on eyes. Almost every episode of Lost opens with a closeup of someones eye. Same thing happens when Donnie wakes up at night. He also stabs Frank in the eye. Locke said he had seen into the eye of the island.
At the end of a song featured in the D.D.-soundtrack, Tears for Fears – Head Over Heals, they mention the mind’s eye.
This is what Locke is explaining to Walt when he teaches him how to throw knives.
I would say that John Locke is the Donnie Darko type character of Lost (the Living Receiver), the one with great innsight, curiosity and wisdom. D.D. is based on a fictive book entitled The Philosophy of Time Travel (http://www.tangent-universe.org/dump/time_travel.html).
It states the following:
“The Living Receiver is often blessed with Fourth Dimensional Powers. These include increased strength, telekinesis, mind control, and the ability to conjure fire and water.”
It almost seems that Locke can control the rain (water), Locke knew it was Walt who burned the fleet up (fire), he is skilled at convincing people (mind control), he can suddenly walk (increased strength), and he in some way communicated with the “monster” (telekinesis).
Donnie Darko being the Living Receiver means that he is somehow controlled by something in the future called Deus Ex Machina, and his mission is to stop the universe from imploding and the world to end. …As most of you know, the next episode goes by the name Deus Ex Machina, and is about Locke…
Comment 478, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Hmmmmm….trash talking before the game is over….death(early summer)sentence.
Comment 479, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay, let’s all go out on a limb…we are supposed to find out who’s in the coffin next week. Let’s go with nly one solid guess and one alternate….
I got Ben since we know he’s off the island and just to stay away from the obvious (Michael), and I’ll go with Locke as an alternate.
Comment 480, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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No! He steps on his toe, thus he only has four left! Funny!
Comment 481, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Funny!! He left off a toe!
Comment 482, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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So it’s hung up in court because the CA stopped paying conche shells for materials and GC sent all the workers back to Portland? Oh wait…Not in Portland….hmmmm.
Comment 483, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Sun is behind Kate and Sayid, otherwise they have too many legs.
Comment 484, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I changed my mind. I want Ben and Michael (the obvious choice). Originally I thought Locke might be off the island since he’s going to the Orchid with Ben and maybe leaves the island with him….but I think Ben stays and “mans” the island.
Comment 485, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
Keep reading a couple of more posts below that one.
Comment 486, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think it’s got to be Ben or Locke in the coffin. Anyone else (even Michael) and I have to believe there would have been other people paying their respects.
I think given that neither of them has family or friends helps, but I also think that when we see Jack at the funeral home, he is obsessed with getting back to the island…Ben and Locke were obviously most in tune with the island yet they generally weren’t well-liked by the other survivors and I think that’s why Jack would go to the funeral while nobody else would.
Comment 487, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Who knows though, they could show Keamy in the coffin and I don’t think I’d be totally shocked…
( really don’t think it’s him, I’m just saying….)
Comment 488, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Although part of me thinks it’s still too obvious, I’m going to go with Michael as my pick with Ben as a back up. Although I just don’t think Ben dies…my other choice might be Desmond. I just don’t think that we will feel a sense of relief once we know who is in the coffin, like…whew, that mystery is solved now…I still think it will be a surprise that will lead us to ask…how on earth did he/she end up dead in NY and why does no one else care and why does it affect Jack so much? At least I hope that’s what happens, much more interesting and just think of the debates we can have for the next 7 months :(
Comment 489, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
JCK wrote:
I can’t quote it exactly, but I seem to remember D&C saying in a podcast that when we first saw the casket (S3 finale), we had already encountered that character in the show. This would then rule out all the freighter tots, Abaddon, and probably a few other people I can’t think of.
: ) P
Comment 490, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
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I thought the funeral home was in LA. If it’s NY, then Michael seems really obvious.
Although, I agree that whoever is in the coffin it will be a surprise and I doubt we’ll even find out how they got there. We’ll undoubtedly spend half a year trying to figure that out before the next season starts.
Comment 491, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I had not heard that. Good to know. I’ll load that one into my hard-drive (brain). Without doing the research, I also seem to remember them saying it was supposed to be Locke in the casket, when they originally outlined the storyies for those episodes, but then they reconsidered.
DocH wrote:
Comment 492, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
thank you for the clarification! (clearly an explosives novice!)
Comment 493, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
JCK wrote:
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It is LA, not NY. Also, we learned in “Who is Kevin Johnson” that the obvious person is sometimes the right pick (it really WAS Michael on the boat). We can’t rule anyone out just because they would be obvious. Michael seems likely, but at this point it could be anyone, even someone really UNlikely – then we would be shocked, and spend all of our time trying to figure out how that person ended up alone and friendless in LA.
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Rita wrote:
You always make me think… which is hard to do. If we aren’t ruling out folks, how about dead doctor with the slit throat, or dead captain, blasted for continued defiance of Keamy, and resisting secondary protocol.
(and still, who passed the note about trusting the captain?)
Comment 495, posted 1 year, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Sorry…my mind thought LA and my hands typed NY…can it please be time to go home from work now!!
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