There’s No Place Like Home, Part 1
1 year, 1 month ago by WillRead more: Lost Episodes, season 4
Lost’s two part, three hour season finale begins tonight, and if last week was any indication, then the final 3 hours of Lost this season are going to be incredible. We get one hour tonight, followed by a two week break, then we get the remaining two hours of the finale. It is still difficult, at this point, to determine why only the six get off the Island – and further, why just those six. We will definitely start to get a clearer picture of that tonight.
Spoiler Warning
The showdown between the survivors and the freighter people begins.
A relatively vague (imagine that!) show description, but based on what I know the general flow of tonight’s episode and the finale will be about how the Oceanic Six get off the Island, along with flash forwards detailing their homecoming of sorts.
Episode Previews
Sneak Peeks: Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3 | Sneak Peek 4
Comment 1, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
The countdown begins! seven hours, nine minutes and fourteen seconds.
Tick
tick
tick
: ) P
Comment 2, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Instead of speculating & spoiling (no previews for me), I’ll just start with my finale wish:
1) I want to see the Others that went to the Temple get back in to the mix somehow.
2) I want more Orchid clues/insight.
3) I want Sawyer & Miles to do something brilliant together (soon).
4) I want Ben to pull off of his super-duper, aha, you all fell for it, plans.
5) I want a few more ideas about The Four-Toed Statue.
Comment 3, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
i DON’T want to wait 2 more weeks. bummer, i thought it was only 1
Comment 4, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I DON’T want to wait 2 more weeks; bummer I thought there was only 1 week in between…
Comment 5, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I DON’T want wait 2 more weeks-bummer I thought there was only 1 in between…
Comment 6, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I wonder if tonight’s episode will have the island be the present or the past….watch for those “whoosh” sounds.
Also, how long has it been since we have heard “PREVIOUSLY ON LOST”, I can’t remember, if not this week surely in 2 weeks.
Comment 7, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
There is only one week off. May 15- part 1
May 22- no show May 29-part 2 and 3
Comment 8, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
There is only one week off. May 15- part 1
May 22- no show May 29-part 2 and 3
thank god:)
Comment 9, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
One Thursday “off” between the two parts of the episode, which means two weeks between episodes.
: ) P
Comment 10, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Oh how I wish we could have the whole 3 hours tonight, and that it would really be THREE COMMERCIAL FREE HOURS.
Comment 11, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
So, do you think we will FINALLY find out who is in that damn coffin tonight??? Yes, yes, i said the C word…i have this funny feeling that it’s going to be Locke. Not quite sure why or how,just a feeling I got today.
I’m also looking forward to finding out how the 6 actually get off the island and back home.
Will we see the Orchid tonight…find out where it is and see the inside?
And I’m with you DocH on fiding out where the Temple and the Others are.
Comment 12, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
i can’t wait for tonight’s episode.
this season has been really good so far and hopefully this episode will be just as great, with a little less comercials.
Comment 13, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I am interested to hear the top few items on everyone’s “Wish List” for the 3 season finale episodes. Stuff that will tide you over until Jan 2009… not the big stuff you want for the series finale - 37 episodes from now, but the smaller stuff.
Comment 14, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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OK, here’s mine:
1. What is the 4 toed stature?
2. What is the temple?
3. What happens to the people who stay on the island?
4. What are the back-stories for
a. Danielle
b. Any freighter tots
c. Richard Alpert
If we could find this out, I would be content for a (very) little while.
Comment 15, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
Good one. I’ll add this one to my list too. Seems like we got them tossed in our supper dish really early in the season, and we got all excited at the interesting new ‘kibble-n-bits’ they added to the show, but production really hasn’t returned/FB’d to any of them, except when we see Dan with FB Des in “The Constant’.
Comment 16, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
4) where are the children from flight 815?
8) what is the four-toed statue?
15) why does Alpert not age?
16) why does he wear so much eye-liner?
23) IS Charlie alive (you knew I would put that!)
42) why THESE numbers?
: ) P
Comment 17, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I am guessing they will keep us hooked on the “Numbers” for at least 35 more episodes.
As for the eye-liner, who knows? He may not have to wear it anymore… once he learns Tom is dead. (sorry… bad joke.)
Comment 18, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Bad, yes. But still funny!
: ) P
Comment 19, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Do we find out if Claire is dead?
What happens to Rose?
Comment 20, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
jaime brought up “the coffin” and i think that is a reference to the flash forward where jack went to a funeral home. i too have wondered who is in the coffin and i would assume(probably wrongly) that is one of the “oceanic six”. does any one else have any guesses or theories?
Comment 21, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
1.anything sawyer
2.sayid kicking ass
3 desmond surviving
Comment 22, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Bad, yes. But still funny!
: ) P
I wonder if Alpert has a murse???? ;P
Comment 23, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
1. How did Ben end up in The Sahara Desert in Oct 2005?
2. Who are “they” that Ben referred to when Hurley asked about the purge?
3. Is Hurley still rich?
4. Is DUI Jin REALLY dead?
5. Charlie’s corpse displayed for PJ :)
6. Anything “WAAAALT”, (except Michael screaming it of course)
My coffin guess is Desmond. I too wish for freighter backstories ( damn writer’s strike). They said in a podcast they got cut this year but were planning for next year.
Comment 24, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
firefly knight wrote:
The casket has been on everyones mind for a year… they may be bringing it back for finale time too. Hope they don’t tho. It’s been OA6 this year and we heard that two others survived the flight, but did not survive until rescue. That’s two we have to figure out plus the casket. Three bodies to account for???
I could see where Claire might show-up as MIA from the OA8.
Des and Michael are freighter-bound. I think you could rationalize that one of those two are in the casket, now that things are going poorly where they are. The casket scene is about three years into the future. Maybe the freighter is stuck in time that long, before it is recovered. Michael is known to the OA6 as a traitor… Des as a trusted friend. Why would no one go to Des’ memorial service? Unless he really messes things up on the freighter.
Comment 25, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I though they stated that we would know who is in the coffin by season’s end. Maybe not tonight though. Season 5 …. how does this person end up in the coffin.
Comment 26, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
In a podcast (the “Mother’s Day” one if I remember correctly), I believe D&C said that we WOULD have an answer to who is in the casket by the end of this season.
: ) P
Comment 27, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I will be REALLY disappointed if the vision of Claire and the baby getting on the helicopter does not come true because then Charlie died for absolutely nothing….of course we never saw the vision so maybe Desmond lied because HE wanted off the island!
Regardless I already am 99% sure she isn’t getting on no helicopter…so they better find a way to bring MY Charlie back!!
Comment 28, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
I thought we decided “Kevin Johnson” was in the coffin ???
Comment 29, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
The casket has been on everyones mind for a year… they may be bringing it back for finale time too. Hope they don’t tho. It’s been OA6 this year and we heard that two others survived the flight, but did not survive until rescue. That’s two we have to figure out plus the casket. Three bodies to account for???
I could see where Claire might show-up as MIA from the OA8.
Des and Michael are freighter-bound. I think you could rationalize that one of those two are in the casket, now that things are going poorly where they are. The casket scene is about three years into the future. Maybe the freighter is stuck in time that long, before it is recovered. Michael is known to the OA6 as a traitor… Des as a trusted friend. Why would no one go to Des’ memorial service? Unless he really messes things up on the freighter.
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I think it’s Michael for two reasons: 1) no one really cares for him because he left his friends with the scary others bound and with guns to their heads(which is why Kate said, “why would I go to HIS funeral?”) and 2) it’s in an African American neighborhood and he’s African American.
Comment 30, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I have to go by my memory because there are so many posts, but I’m pretty sure we discussed the newspaper clipping about the death that Jack had in the Season 3 finale and it had a “Jo” which some of us speculated was John Locke, but later learned of Michael’s new identity as Kevin Johnson, which Jack and Kate are privy to (somehow). The newspaper death announcement said he committed suicide (though it must have been a murder because we know Michael cannot commit suicide)…
Comment 31, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
1. I hate to really backtrack but I really want to know Libby’s story and why we saw her interact with several losties.
2. I also would like the tots back stories, especially Charlotte’s and Miles.
3. Of course, the coffin (I think it’s Michael/Kevin).
Comment 32, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I looked it up…
“The newspaper clipping is an obituary that Jack ripped out of the Los Angeles Times. The article is about a man from New York who was found dead in Los Angeles. He first notices it on a flight from Sydney to Los Angeles. The man in the article seems to be someone both Kate and Jack know as Kate does not want to go to the funeral. However, the producers have said (despite what some people have deciphered from the article) that it would be re-written.
Comment 33, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
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Well, at least he COULDN’T, but if the island is done with you, then who knows? But Michael has a mom and a son, so why wouldn’t ANYONE come to his funeral? I had thought too that it would be Michael, but now I really don’t know.
Comment 34, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Well, at least he COULDN’T, but if the island is done with you, then who knows? But Michael has a mom and a son, so why wouldn’t ANYONE come to his funeral? I had thought too that it would be Michael, but now I really don’t know.
Because after the island “Michael goes to his mother’s house, who is caring for Walt. Michael’s mom doesn’t understand why they showed up at her house two months after the plane crash, and why she can’t tell anyone or call them by their real names. She also does not know why Walt is so distraught and having nightmares” (from Lostpedia).
Comment 35, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Okay, since we are talking about the coffing… I think it is Michael. I think he was finally able to do himself in. Whatever hold the island had may no longer be in effect, as Rita stated. No Walt or Mom? Maybe they didn’t know about it or maybe he has alienated (sp???) himself and they don’t want to go. My money is on Michael. RIP Michael!
Comment 36, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Ugh… coffin…. no coffing.
Comment 37, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Coffin. Not Coffing. Grrr! However, too much “coffing” can take you to the coffin. Yes?
Comment 38, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
It feels like they’re throwing us curveballs to take our minds off the 95 mph heater coming down the middle. You can bet the Kansas City Shuffle is coming and when it does we’ll all be caught off guard.
Comment 39, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
and the obit said the person was from new york, survived by a teenage son (walt)-the “moving of the island” might have ended the effect the island has on michael’s hurting himself…however that that takes place roughly 2-2 &1/2 yrs from now depending on hold you think aaron is when shown after the trial
Comment 40, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Could someone explain to me what the Orchid is? I haven’t heard anything about it until reading this and would like to know before tonights episode. Thanks!
Comment 41, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Easy:
1. Who are the Whisperers?
2. Who is doing the whispering?
3. Who whispers on the island?
:)
Comment 42, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
and the obit said the person was from new york, survived by a teenage son (walt)-the “moving of the island” might have ended the effect the island has on michael’s hurting himself…however that that takes place roughly 2-2 &1/2 yrs from now depending on hold you think aaron is when shown after the trial
Re: New York… “Michael’s Oceanic plane tickets that he receives from Brian Porter are tickets for flights from Sydney to New York. He is the only character we know of that was on the plane but was not going to Los Angeles”.
My wish for tonight is no more curve balls. Just one hour of answers.
Comment 43, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
My wish for tonight is NO COMMERCIALS!!!
Comment 44, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Here’s my wish list:
I want Jack to find out Claire is his sister
I want to see Kate and Juliet to have a cat fight in the mud
I want Locke’s actions to be validated.
I want the Red Wings to win the cup!
Comment 45, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
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Well, at least he COULDN’T, but if the island is done with you, then who knows? But Michael has a mom and a son, so why wouldn’t ANYONE come to his funeral? I had thought too that it would be Michael, but now I really don’t know.
Because after the island “Michael goes to his mother’s house, who is caring for Walt. Michael’s mom doesn’t understand why they showed up at her house two months after the plane crash, and why she can’t tell anyone or call them by their real names. She also does not know why Walt is so distraught and having nightmares” (from Lostpedia).
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Well, maybe (if it is Michael) his mom doesn’t know he is dead. I can’t imagine her NOT coming if she were able to do so. She might have to say it is a family member, or make up a story, but she would be there, and Walt with her. Most likely she doesn’t know the name he has been using, and was not notified of the death. Even a confused and distraught mom is still a mom.
Comment 46, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
CAG wrote:
i don’t want to see kate and juliet have another cat fight in the mud (3rd season dude.) Boys…(rolls eyes) :)
Comment 47, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lostislife wrote:
During comic con, they released an new orientation video for the station called the Orchid. In quick terms, the Asian looking Doc is talking and holding a rabbit with the no. 15 painted on it. While he’s talking somthing happens and suddenly there is another rabbit with no. 15 on it. There is some yelling about who screwed up and not to let the rabbits near each other. People are assuming that the expirementing going on was time travel and someone messed up and overlapped times creating the same rabbit from two times appearing at the same time…….
Comment 48, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
KillerR wrote:
Yep, seems rather obvious that it’s Michael…but I’m hoping it’s the curve.
Comment 49, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lostislife wrote:
Here, you can see it for yourself:
youtube.com/watch?v=tam391FwqH...
It is also somewhere on the ABC website, but I don’t have time to look for it. THREE MINUTES!
: ) P
Comment 50, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
CAG wrote:
Oh, I want to copy off CAG…and add the Pistons. Deeeeeetroit baaaaskett baaaaaaall!!
Comment 51, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Okay, that’s the second time Dan used his trusty notebook to “learn” something about what’s going on….dude’s been here before…and by here I mean place and time.
Comment 52, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
WOWZER! The O6 on a plane! Whoo hoo!
: ) P
Comment 53, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Okay my anticipation to this new ep is *Killing* me… but alas…
I think the body in the coffin may be some one we have not yet met that maybe only Jack know (like some one on the freighter, Others at the temple, kids on the flight) that Kate never particularly feels close on island so doesn’t feel obliged to go to the funeral or something along those lines.
Comment 54, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
sayid is gonna save the day!!!!!
Comment 55, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Fantastic!
Comment 56, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
IT is 10:22 and we already have SO many answers!
: ) P
Comment 57, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Ok….CHARLIE died for NOTHING!!!!
Comment 58, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Kathy wrote:
I meant….
“…only Jack knows…”
“…and Kate never particularly feels close too while on-island…”
Comment 59, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
The cracker scene is almost as good as the candy bar scene.
Comment 60, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
thats what im talking about, Sun!!!!
Comment 61, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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yeah.
Comment 62, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
GO SUN! Kick some Daddy tooshie!
LOL
: ) P
ps - Hammer, I agree with the cracker thought *G*
Comment 63, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Damn it…teasing me with the whispers.
Comment 64, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Too many COMMERCIALS!
P
Comment 65, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
“son of a bitch”!!!
Comment 66, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Fantastic!!!
Comment 67, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
claire!!!
Comment 68, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Okay, if Jin = dead and Jin + extras = boat, and Keamy has a pulse monitor then Keamy dying = boat explosion. No?
How does Sun get off the freighter?
Comment 69, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Not so quick!
Comment 70, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Wow so Claire’s mom has no idea that is her grandson….that’s pretty sad. She was in a coma then lost her daughter…she has a right to know!!!!
Comment 71, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I’m sure Jack thinks that as well. Hard struggle there.
Comment 72, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Wow! Intense! I thought there were going to be whispers Hammer, sorry it didn’t turn out to be the right kind! Looks like the next ep in 2 weeks will be a cliff hanger for sure!
Too bad we didn’t get any tot FBs, but we DID get to see (sort of ) the orchid station (also the temple??).
Comment 73, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
LOL Hammer… you were being thought of during the “whisper” scene!!!
Great episode!!! I want more!!!
Comment 74, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
We’re still a long way from all six of the O6 being in one place at the same time. Sayid and Kate are captives of Mr. Eyeliner. Jack is with Sawyer somewhere else. Sun is on the freighter with Aaron. Hurley is outside the Orchid Station.
When I saw Jin on the Zodiac, I figured that Daniel would freak out and not want to take it back to the island again and that Jin would step in and do it and that is how he would end up separated from Sun. But obviously everything is still up for grabs.
: ) P
Comment 75, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Yep, seems rather obvious that it’s Michael…but I’m hoping it’s the curve.
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And there is your possible curve. Good ole KJ is on the boat when it blows?…..So who’s in the coffin?
Comment 76, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Oh my LORD! Flash back, flash forwards, and the present… MAN! I can’t wait until the 2 hour. I am glad Jack found out about Clair being is sister… So she isn’t dead? She is with Jack’s dad? Or IS she dead and that is why she is with her dad?
Maybe they move the island, the freighter finds it and Sun gets off right before the explosion which moves the island again.
I don’t like the Oceanic 6 Lie!
Comment 77, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
If Jin dies it would seem that Des dies too!! I hope that doesn’t happen without a Des/Penny reunion. I am trying to figure out how Sun is gonna get off that boat as well. Maybe she decides to use a tube or something and the helicopter flies over and sees her. Still I don’t think it’s actually gonna blow cause like I said….what happens to Desmond?
Comment 78, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
That episode was amazing. After Part II do we have to wait until January for the show to start again!? I don’t know if I can do that…
Wow. What an ending!
Comment 79, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Snaisy wrote:
Yeah I am hoping that gets answered. Why do they all lie anyway? I would want to find my husband unless I know he is dead….I just don’t understand why they lie or if they are told to do so, unless they are protecting the island and people on it.
Comment 80, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Future Sun is a bad ass
So is Ben kinda for walkin in the Orchid like that.
Seams like Jin actually dies tho kinda sad.
And if they have that HUGE army led by ageless emo eyeliner guy, why were they in hiding in the first place? i mean they outnumber Keamy’s guys like 15 to 1
Comment 81, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Much needs to unfold….but IMO Keamy will die and the boat will blow.
Comment 82, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That’s it! I was wondering what that thing on Keamy’s arm was
Comment 83, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I cheered again this week when I saw Alpert. Strange how this time it seemed like the Others are the cavalry riding to the rescue, whereas all the other times their appearance struck a chord of fear and dread.
I liked how they showed the O6 arriving in Hawaii, meeting their families, the press, etc, so they got those obligatory scenes out of the way. I prefer that to having that scene at the end of Part II.
I have to go back and rewatch the scene where the Oceanic rep explains how they “survived” and were found.
Comment 84, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
the orchid orientation film was on the season 3 boxed set. It is on the special features disc, which is hidden.
Also, all the explosives are wired to Keamy. His death would equal the explosion of the boat.
I was thinking that the finale for this season would be 06 getting off the island, looks like we will have something more shocking in store. I love and hate the season finales!
Comment 85, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Andrew wrote:
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The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big!
Comment 86, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
LOL I’ll still be interested in finding out what they were saying. I was expecting to see Charlie in that scene.
Comment 87, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
CAG wrote:
That’s it! I was wondering what that thing on Keamy’s arm was
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Thats why he new the captain would not shot him. So Kemmy dies, The boat and everyone on it go.
Comment 88, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Here’s a thought…Do you think whenever they move the island…the four toed statue will move with it? Technically there are two islands to move, and the statue was not actually ON the island. If course everything inside the bubble would move not just the island right?
Also Ben tells Locke to go down the elevator and just walks off. He never told Locke what he was supposed to do when he got there. Or maybe he knows what he is supposed to do already from Jacob/Christian.
Comment 89, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Andrew: you’re funny! I agree though, the emo hippy kids dressed in brown come-out of nowhere. Where were they before? I need answers.
And why would the Oceanic 6 lie? I hope the people back on the island do not die. Hopefully they warp to a different time on the island. Since the island can move and all maybe the island can also allow alternate ‘island’ time zone where all the lost peeps (who we think are dead) can still live and come back to inform the LOST folks who are still alive in the messed up ‘time warp island’ and save the day. Maybe that is where the emo hippy others live on a regular basis.
Comment 90, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
LOL I’ll still be interested in finding out what they were saying. I was expecting to see Charlie in that scene.
HA Ha. I was looking for Charlie too! When I saw the coconut I was thinking of the time that he said…“Hey, man. You gonna put the lime in the coconut, drink ‘em both up?
Comment 91, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Can’t find a good anagram from Manukangga…anyone?
Comment 92, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
RD wrote:
That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.
Comment 93, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Andrew wrote:
They were at the “Temple” that is only for “us” according to Ben. Temple has to be a place or time that they can hide.
Comment 94, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I agree with you RD, the settlement would not be enough to buy into a major Korean company
Comment 95, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Funniest line in the episode:
Hurley’s Mom: “Jesus is not a weapon!”
Comment 96, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I loved the fact that Hurley asked Ben a million questions, and Ben actually answered most of them, albeit somewhat ambiguously at times.
I didn’t like the fact that Kate, Hurley and Sayid got a front row seat at Christian’s memorial service. Not very realistic - other family members or friends of Christian would have been in front of them. (yes I’m being nitpicky, but it just struck me as too “Hollywood-ish”)
Comment 97, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Great scene with Hurley and the restored car. Wasn’t that the car he was driving at the convenience store when he first flipped out when he saw Charley? Remember the earlier flash forward? If I am right, he must have changed his mind about the car.
Comment 98, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.
Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.
Comment 99, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost-on-mars wrote:
Yes, but if you can get five banks to back your bid….
Comment 100, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
The closest thing I came up with was something GUNMAN.
Comment 101, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I am sorry. I fell asleep. What did I miss? Did anyone get anything on their ‘Wish List’ answered?
Comment 102, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Most interesting line of the epi: “Jesus Christ is not a weapon.”
Comment 103, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.
Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.
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Maybe.
It would be interesting to know more what the full story was of the discussion Sun interupted. Her dad and the two assistants where talking about some bank problem. May be a sign of further financial troubles for Sun’s dad.
Comment 104, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I don’t believe that for one second.
Comment 105, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.
Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.
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Thanks for the response, Hammer. That makes sense. But still, wouldn’t he have to approve the amount of shares people are buying? Even if he has an agent acting on his behalf in the selling of the shares, wouldn’t that agent know enough to ensure that no one entity has more shares than Mr. Paik?
Comment 106, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
you’re joking right? that has to be a joke bcuz it’s impossible to fall asleep during lost!
(Others rock! I want to be an other! Why can’t I be an other?!?)
Comment 107, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.
Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.
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Thanks for the response, Hammer. That makes sense. But still, wouldn’t he have to approve the amount of shares people are buying? Even if he has an agent acting on his behalf in the selling of the shares, wouldn’t that agent know enough to ensure that no one entity has more shares than Mr. Paik?
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That is what Paik was so angry about, no one was monitoring it….”How could this happen?”
Comment 108, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Speaking of Jesus Christ… I thought that statue looked like a gold painted version of the drug-filled statues that Charlie found from the plane. Anyone know where to see a screenshot?
: ) P
Comment 109, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
you’re joking right? that has to be a joke bcuz it’s impossible to fall asleep during lost!
(Others rock! I want to be an other! Why can’t I be an other?!?)
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They are looking better all the time! And we thought they were the bad guys!
Comment 110, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.
Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.
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Thanks for the response, Hammer. That makes sense. But still, wouldn’t he have to approve the amount of shares people are buying? Even if he has an agent acting on his behalf in the selling of the shares, wouldn’t that agent know enough to ensure that no one entity has more shares than Mr. Paik?
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She might have already had a good amount of share being his daughter.
Comment 111, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
BTW, people buy shares all the time without the controlling member approving each sale. Look up hostile takeovers….
Comment 112, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Fine. I am at my Arizona house and the show starts… NOW.
Comment 113, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Yeah - that makes sense too - thanks again.
Comment 114, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
In the press conference, they blew off the question about what did they eat for four months. I agree, Hurley did not lose any weight!
Also, Sun said her husband died before getting to the island. That might actually be true if the freighter blows up.
Comment 115, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Fine. I am at my Arizona house and the show starts… NOW.
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Ouch, some of us only have one. :)
Comment 116, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Sawyer fan alert: Josh Holloway will be on Kimmel tonight.
Comment 117, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
all of this depends on whether the Paik industries is a closely held or publicly traded corp
and voting pools/trusts mean that different amounts of stock = control of the company in each situation
if it was a publicly traded corp, no one could control who bought/sold shares and sun may be able to gain effective control with not that many stocks
(sorry, know its kind of irrelevant but couldn’t help sharing all the wonderful info i picked up this semester in corp law :)
Comment 118, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I’m pretty sure the drug filled statues on the island were of the Virgin Mary and I think they were painted in bright cheesy colors.
Comment 119, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I thought I missed it but I have 15 more minutes. I flew to the tv to change the channel!
Comment 120, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Since I can’t tell if you are being truthful. Here’s a spoiler, you got 1, 4 and 5 from you list. :)
Comment 121, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
all of this depends on whether the Paik industries is a closely held or publicly traded corp
and voting pools/trusts mean that different amounts of stock = control of the company in each situation
if it was a publicly traded corp, no one could control who bought/sold shares and sun may be able to gain effective control with not that many stocks
(sorry, know its kind of irrelevant but couldn’t help sharing all the wonderful info i picked up this semester in corp law :)
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Not irrelevant at all, folks wanted to know how it COULD happen….and that’s how.
Comment 122, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Can’t Get Enough wrote:
Yes, I know. I said that they looked like GOLD PAINTED VERSIONS of the statue. I am not disputing that the cheesy colored ones were supposed to be the Virgin Mary, either. I just didn’t think the gold statue looked much like Jesus.
: ) P
Comment 123, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Geez, they got everyone spread out again all over and off the damn island. This is definitely going to leave to many unanswered questions for next season and beyond…
What I want to find out in the finale….
1. What happens to Locke, Sawyer and Jin.
2.Who has made them all agree to go along with this lie.
3. A hint at what Whitmore’s role is in all this..although we may know something, I’d like to know more…which is a constant thing with this show.
4. Why they want Ben.
5. What is Ben up to with Locke and Hurley? I have come to believe that Ben is always lying. Remember how good he was at being Henry Gale? He’s so good, it’s scary.
I was shouting at Claire’s mom while she was leading up to the big reveal, I couldn’t take it. Watching a Lost secret get revealed is a mental rush.
Also I cried a bit when Nadiya met Sayid–of the love stories, I like this one the best. Second would be Sawyer and his baby-momma–I think that they’ll end up together someday again with lil Clementine in tow..
Comment 124, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Bed time for Bonzo.
Don’t worry, I have one for you to ponder. ;)
No mention of out of sync island/freighter time lines….look out in two weeks!
Comment 125, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Yes, I know. I said that they looked like GOLD PAINTED VERSIONS of the statue. I am not disputing that the cheesy colored ones were supposed to be the Virgin Mary, either. I just didn’t think the gold statue looked much like Jesus.
: ) P
Thanks for clarifying! (I grew up Catholic so for some insane reason I seem to remember those kind of details - I just got all excited that I actually had an answer to a question!)
Comment 126, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Okay, I had a gripe about Widmore’s accent NOT being very British in the scene when he’s in bed talking to Ben. (And yes, I know know that the reason it was a bad British accent is because he is from New Zealand.)
Accents really must be a pet peeve of mine, because Claire’s mom had a HORRIBLE Australian accent. There is NO WAY that woman is really Australian! Get the woman a dialogue coach. Or hire an ACTUAL Australian!
But I am glad that we know now how and when Jack found out about Claire.
: ) P
Comment 127, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I think Charlie might be in the last episode… I think that Jacob/Smokey (I really do think they are one and the same) will assume his form and Claire will be a part of something big.
Or at least I’m hoping… one of the biggest surprises of the SERIES (to me) was seeing her in Jacob’s cabin. And now I’m really anxious to know what happens.
And I’m REALLY anxious for what happens with who’s on that boat right now… and how Sun escapes to be one of “The Oceanic 6″.
This is probably the most pumped I’ve actually ever been in the entirely of Lost… wow.
Poor Ben, he gets beaten up so often.
I have a feeling someone’s dead in the finale.
Ack, I have so many things to say, every sentence is a new idea!
Comment 128, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Some thoughts on the show and comments:
DocH: looks like you had at least 2 of your 5 wishes come true thus far with a very possible 3rd with Ben’s plan (pretty sure its gonna work out)
Tasha, and anyone who thinks Charlie died for nothing: if it weren’t for charlie shutting down the looking glass blocking communication, then they would had no chance with getting off until then…that was the opening that they needed to get off the island, albeit contacting Keamy and crew, but it got those 6 off the island, so Charlie still is a martyr
Hammer: right on with many points per usual, but one especially i agree with, most interesting line: Jesus is not a weapon…as soon as she said it, it definitely made me think
- Poor Hurley, always seeing those awful numbers
- On the 108th day the survivors were found, another pretty interesting tie in to the 108 mins and the sum of the Numbers
- Claire cannot be one of the other 2 that survived but then died according to the lie, Claire’s mother would find out that Jack knew, Aaron’s identity would surely come up and Aaron would be taken by the grandmother…this doesn’t happen because we know Kate has Aaron down the line
- As for Sun buying out her father’s company, this is very feasible with the money she probably received…she was compensated for herself, but also probably Jin as well…plus it was in dollars which is probably stronger than korean currency
That’s all for now, more to come once things settle
Comment 129, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I think that, in the end, the last move Charlie made will play a huuuuuuge roll. We still have two more seasons, after all.
Comment 130, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Wow, just finished watching (stupid West Coast behind everyone else!)…that was quite the cliffhanger! Totally can’t wait to see what happens with Alpert and crew, and I’ll be sad if Des dies. I’m wondering if Dan makes it back in the raft before the island “moves”. Whew, ok, time for bed, but will definitely be watching that one again!!
Comment 131, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Lins wrote:
being sad if des dies is an understatement! I would be DEVASTATED if des dies!!! the writers have given us every reason to want des to make it back and finally be able to love penny and if they kill him before this happens i will be pissed!!
Comment 132, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Well for every1 saying how Sun can buy a controlling share into her dads compnay and if the settlement was enough?…Thats easy, if you know any thing about finance, then you would know that with 5 investment banks that underwrite Paik automotive stock, it is very easy to buy up all the shares in the market on open orders without alerting Mr. Paik himself,… but since we dont know how much the settlement was we have to assume it was alot, and most likly Sun probably already controlled a percentage since she was his daughter…Most likly she bought the stock on margin and leverage, so being his daughter and using 5 different banks, thats alot of buying power. Which means that by buying on margin you get 2/1 or 4/1 or all the way up to 100/1 and more, so we dont know what the deal was with the banks, but im assuming she probably got 80/20 on the stock…which means with 20 million u can buy 100 million. Plus remember hugo is worth 150 million and he was in korea visting her baby, he might be her buisness partner…
Comment 133, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
So “the story” is that Jin and Claire did not survive the crash. It didn’t look like Jack was too happy about Sun’s reply at the press conference. But when Sayid denied the possibility of other survivors being discovered, Jack had this funny smirk on his face like “told you”.
1. Who is the other person Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death? and boy do I feel sorry for him/her.
2. Faraday and Charlotte definitely have or had something between them.
3. Claire’s mother is alive. Didn’t CS tell Claire to pull the plug when he traveled to Australia? I wonder if the island had anything to do with her recovery and visit to Jack to inform him he has a sister.
Comment 134, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Sun takes the baby and runs right off the open end of that freighter deck as the old rust bucket goes up in a big ball of fire. That’s all for Michael, Jin and Desmond.
Speaking of balls, Ben rocks. He’s going to take out Keamy, and that’s when the freighter goes.
The numbers on the dash instruments of the Camaro. Nice touch.
Comment 135, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
The best one I could find. Can’t really get a good look at it but I watched the scene again and it does look like “Jesus Christ”.
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Comment 136, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I agree, definitely Hollywood. I think they did that to show that Sun did not attend the funeral and Nadia did. The timeline…before Nadia’s death and possibly a month after Ji Yeon’s birth.
I also thought it odd that the wake was 10 months after the crash? Seems like an awful longtime assuming they have been rescued for about 6 months.
Comment 137, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
I was thinking that too. But she did this before having the baby, so Hurley would have had to given her money before that visit. Which is plausible. He doesn’t want “anything to do with the money”, knowing this, and how close Hurley became with Jin, Sun could have approached him about it.
Comment 138, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
ok, one thing that really bothered me: do any of the people involved in planning the cover story really think people are going to believe aaron was only 5 weeks old during the press conference?
I mean come on…. i know they had to make stuff up to make their ruse believable, but trying to convince anyone that aaron was that young there was ridiculous!!
Comment 139, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
First time poster, long time reader. just had a few observations:
1. Why does Faraday know about the secondary protocol but it didn’t seem that the captain knew? I now completely believe that Daniel is one of the good guys, but that makes me curious.
2. I believe that Sun has contempt towards her father not only because of how he treated Jin, but because she learns of the paik industries- Charles Widmore connection. I think she either considers Widmore or herself the other person.
3. The moment when Sawyer decides to go with Jack to the chopper was friggin’ great
4. Does anyone know what the name that Nadia gave as her name when she met Sayid was? Was is what she wrote on the pack of the picture she gave him?
5. All of the 6 make sense except for Sun and Aaron. The rest of them are near the chopper
6. Probably useless observation, but there was a kid at Hurley’s party was wearing a 42 shirt.
Comment 140, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Evan wrote:
We KNOW that in the O6 lie, Claire is not among the 8 who initially survived, because Kate is claiming that she was pregnant and had Aaron on the island. When Jack found out that Claire was his sister, he couldn’t say that he knew her.
I also was wondering about who is the other person that Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death. When she tells her father that he is one of two, I immediately thought that Jack might be the other one she blames, for making her tell the lie.
SO nice to see Sawyer, Kate, and Jack together again, if only briefly. We’ve been talking about favorite Hurley lines for weeks. Okay writers! How about some great Sawyer lines, as in the past! Though we did get one… “Cut yourself shaving?” to Jack when he saw the blood at appendix site.
RE: the raft the Sayid brings to the island…
#1 - totally a false moment that Sayid would decide to go after Jack and Kate in the woods instead of doing what he’d come back to do — taking people off the island.
#2 - The survivors have been on the island for 3 months. You don’t think there would be some argument about who would be allowed to get in the raft? Like what happened a few seasons ago when they managed to build a boat?
I was disappointed that all of the teasers seemed to indicate that we finally would find out how the O6 got off the island. But that’s still a huge mystery. Guess we’ll have to wait and see in 2 weeks, at the finale. Can’t wait!
Comment 141, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Des wasn’t on the plane, so if he gets off the island, he would not fall under the “Oceanic 6″ umbrella.
Hammer wrote:
Gang Auk Man
A Mag An Gunk
A Nag Ma Gunk
A Nag Am Gunk
Comment 142, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.
Settlements take years… no?
Comment 143, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
mocklost wrote:
Dan is known to have studied the concious time travel and has a big note book of island related stuff…as I said earlier, he’s been “here” before. Time and place, IMO.
Comment 144, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
Totally re: Hugo, although it may not be the lotto winnings, it may be Hugo’s settlement that is invested in Paik as Sun’s partner. Awesome call.
Comment 145, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Why in the world was Christian going to Australia to visit Claire? They didn’t even have a relationship.
I still think it’s Kevin Johnson in the coffin. See my earlier posts #s 30 & 32.
Comment 146, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.
Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.
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Thanks for the response, Hammer. That makes sense. But still, wouldn’t he have to approve the amount of shares people are buying? Even if he has an agent acting on his behalf in the selling of the shares, wouldn’t that agent know enough to ensure that no one entity has more shares than Mr. Paik?
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That is what Paik was so angry about, no one was monitoring it….”How could this happen?”
Exactly - his advisors stated that “five banks were used”
Clearly, Sun got backing from 5 banks with her cheque from Oceanic to quietly buy shares in Paik Ind.
By buying as if it was 5 different buyers, she didn’t alert her fathers people to the buyout
Comment 147, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I have an idea I would like to submit.
It seems like Ben knew all along that there would be this potentially disastrous “War” from Widmore if the location of the island were to become known. He had the opportunity to keep this from happening by allowing the Losties to leave the island (with all the travel off the island by Michael, Tom, Ben himself, etc. he could have gotten the Losties off the island), he would have kept them from freeing up the radio signals that ultimately led to Keamy and the mercs attacking the island. Why wouldn’t he have said to the Losties, “Here’s what’s going to happen. If you stay on the island everyone will die. But if you go back to the mainland and keep your mouths shut, everything will be ok.” Obviously there would be a bit more to it than that, but looking back it seems like a better alternative than what Ben and the others are facing at this time. Right?
Comment 148, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
We’re still a long way from all six of the O6 being in one place at the same time. Sayid and Kate are captives of Mr. Eyeliner. Jack is with Sawyer somewhere else. Sun is on the freighter with Aaron. Hurley is outside the Orchid Station.
When I saw Jin on the Zodiac, I figured that Daniel would freak out and not want to take it back to the island again and that Jin would step in and do it and that is how he would end up separated from Sun. But obviously everything is still up for grabs.
: ) P
I was thinking the same thing as Hammer. I thought that there was going to be an explosion, but wouldn’t that mean Des and Micheal would die too? But PJ’s exactly correct. There’s still more to come to bring them together. I was just holding my breath through that whole time.
Comment 149, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Comment 150, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
@ #138- Aaron is huge!! Everytime I see him I think that.
Also, I actually felt sorry for Juliet. Jack played her. That scene when she was telling him not to go was the first time I felt any kind of real sympathy for her, that I can remember anyways. I know she desperatly wanted off the island before but I never knew if I could trust her. First it was when Jack picked Kate to go with him to find the chopper and then when she stormed away from him.
Comment 151, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone else, upon hearing the wistful music at the end, expect the freighter to blow up as Sun was looking back at the door? I know *I* did.
Another observation, now that I have had some rest *G*… I am wholly disappointed with the Nadia reunion. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVED that it happened, but sheesh, a little BUILD UP would have made it SO much better. Remind us how long Sayid has PINED for her, or something! LOL
: ) P
Comment 152, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I don’t see the freighter blowing up. Too many characters on the freighter at this time; Sun, Des, Jin, Michael. I haven’t seen this question posed yet: How do the O6 get on that cargo plane?? Have any ideas been brought up yet? Where would that plane have taken off from? How did the O6 get to the place where the plane took off from? The only idea I have would be that they took the little raft (it holds 6.) from the freighter to a nearby place, meaning the freighter probably had to move closer to the mainland. My guess then is that the freighter (still controlled by Keamy) headed back towards the island.
Comment 153, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Thanks to all the business experts and their knowledge about how Sun could have possibly bought a controlling interest in the company.
Their “story” is that they used a survival raft and came ashore on the island of Sumba. The Zodiac that Daniel used is not a survival raft. If there are any aviatars out there, I am curious to know if helos, like the one Lapidas has, would be equipped with a survivor raft?
Comment 154, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
I think whoever’s orchestrating the whole O6 lie got them somewhere where they could get on the plane. There’s so much more that has to happen. AND we probably won’t find out til next season, lol and grrr!!
Comment 155, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I thought the same thing. Maybe they were hinting at that being the last time Sun sees Jin?
Comment 156, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
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I’m gonna guess Jack. She is holding her indirectly responsible because he sent Jin to Austrailia. I think she gets mad at Jack for being wrong about the “rescue” will indirectly blame him too.
Comment 157, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
I agree that Aaron did NOT look five weeks old. At first, I figured it was more about CASTING a baby, than their lie, but I suspect it is partly both.
They crashed on September 22, 2004. 108 days later, when they were “rescued” would be about January 8, 2005. Claire gave birth to Aaron around November 1st. That would make Aaron about nine weeks old. That baby looked older than nine weeks!
But if according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Kate was “five months pregnant” at the time of the crash, that would put her as “full term” sometime in January. If, according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Aaron was five weeks old, he would have been born December 4, so Aaron would have been at least a month premature, and therefore should have been especially SMALL for five weeks!
I think that the press is being asked to accept this story and are willing to wait to get details and confirmation. In reality, we’ve seen an entire country suspend belief in the truth because someone official asked them to, so why not the media at that press conference?
We also have the time shift thing that has not been mentioned. How will THAT play into the rescue story?
: ) P
Comment 158, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I find it interesting that Kate is claiming Aaron is only a little over 5 weeks old when they get off the island. The reporter said to Kate that that would have made her six months pregnant when the U.S. Marshall captured her in Australia. When the plane crashed Claire was a little over eight months pregnant. They’ve been on the island over 100 days, so Aaron, in reality, would be 2-3 months old. And wouldn’t the marshall have mentioned something after capturing Kate that she was pregnant? I’m surprised that people off the island are buying into that. Maybe in future episodes people might realize that Aaron is not hers.
Comment 159, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
Settlements in a law suit can take years, yes. But I would expect that the pay-out was in conjunction to the creation of the Oceanic Conspiracy, and therefore already paid in full before that press conference.
: ) P
Comment 160, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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I’m gonna guess Jack. She is holding her indirectly responsible because he sent Jin to Austrailia. I think she gets mad at Jack for being wrong about the “rescue” will indirectly blame him too.
No way is it Jack. It’s Michael. Def. And she probably has him, as “Kevin Johnson” killed, and that’s him in the coffin. That’s my guess.
Comment 161, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
The reporter said 6 months.
Comment 162, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
JamieGirl wrote:
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I’m gonna guess Jack. She is holding her indirectly responsible because he sent Jin to Austrailia. I think she gets mad at Jack for being wrong about the “rescue” will indirectly blame him too.
No way is it Jack. It’s Michael. Def. And she probably has him, as “Kevin Johnson” killed, and that’s him in the coffin. That’s my guess.
**** I’m thinking it’s Widmore that she holds responsible. Widmore sent Keamy and co. to the island and they could have killed Jin?
Comment 163, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
“There’s no place like home” is a direct Wizard of Oz reference (this is what Dorothy says when tapping her heels). Add that to Charlotte’s name (CS Lewis) I think this is an important connection.
Comment 164, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Bailey Loves Lost wrote:
First of all, I’m new to this blog, but I’ve really been enjoying what everyone’s written so far - please allow me to join the fray….
One thing that intrigues me is that the O6 have been very secretive/untruthful about what actually happened to the other survivors. Although I have no idea why that is, it is interesting that Claire’s mother suspects that something is up (the way she knowingly gazed at Aaron) and that Jack now understands his relationship to Aaron/Claire. Ultimately, I think this “wrench in the works” will help us understand why the O6 are lying about what happened on the island…
Comment 165, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Bailey Loves Lost wrote:
She could have been 6 months pregnant and not have told anyone so the Marshall may not have know.
Comment 166, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
KillerR wrote:
P.O.D.
O’ Henry, it’ll be Newhart’s Dream all over again. Guest spot by Haley Joel Osment as The Wizard.
Comment 167, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
We also know now that when they first get off the island for awhile Jack is able to look at Aaron. Him finding out about Claire must be the reason he doesn’t want anything to do with him for awhile. Hope nobody wrote that already. I didn’t see it.
Comment 168, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I like Jack also. Blaming the man who sent him ( dad ) and the man who didn’t rescue him. Poor Jack, he carries a lot of weight, especially now that he knows his sister was Claire. That was a great scene when he turned around, after talking with Mrs. Littleton, just STARING at Aaron. Maybe that’s why he has to eventually “go back” to the island. To save his sister?
Comment 169, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Another thing I notice now is that in the picture of them coming off the raft being rescued….It looks like Kate’s arms are up which would mean she isn’t carrying the baby. Also I do not see Sun and the baby either. Anyone else have any input?
Comment 170, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
I thought the same thing. Maybe they were hinting at that being the last time Sun sees Jin?
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I def. think you are correct. Somehow she and Aaron get off the freigter just before the big bang.
Comment 171, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think anyone has raised this point yet, but if Locke succeeds in moving the island in TIME as opposed to LOCATION (as I, and many of you, it seems, are convinced) then wouldn’t that mean Widmore could still find it? Moving it in time might affect who’s on the island and what’s happening on it, but it should still physically be there right?? or perhaps moving it in time screws up the bearing one needs to follow to navigate to it…any thoughts?
Comment 172, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.
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Comment 173, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Unless you mean something else…it was my weekly bed time ponder from last night….
“Bed time for Bonzo.
Don’t worry, I have one for you to ponder. ;)
No mention of out of sync island/freighter time lines….look out in two weeks!”
Comment 174, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.
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I am just trying to figure out if that is some kind of clue…you think they would make sure all of the O6 would be in the pic. I guess she could still be in the raft, but I don’t see all of them (Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid) just walking off without helping a pregnant lady and a baby off of it.
Comment 175, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I read it, Hammer! But no one seemed to take your bait, so I cast my line out next to yours to stir up a frenzy in the water! *g* (Sorry, I think I may have taken that metaphor one step too far!)
: ) P
Comment 176, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.
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I am just trying to figure out if that is some kind of clue…you think they would make sure all of the O6 would be in the pic. I guess she could still be in the raft, but I don’t see all of them (Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid) just walking off without helping a pregnant lady and a baby off of it.
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If you look closely you can see someone on the other side of Kate. Too many legs there.
Comment 177, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.
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I am just trying to figure out if that is some kind of clue…you think they would make sure all of the O6 would be in the pic. I guess she could still be in the raft, but I don’t see all of them (Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid) just walking off without helping a pregnant lady and a baby off of it.
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If you look closely you can see someone on the other side of Kate. Too many legs there.
Awesome! I didn’t even look at the legs! Well hopefully that is her!!!
Comment 178, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I read it, Hammer! But no one seemed to take your bait, so I cast my line out next to yours to stir up a frenzy in the water! *g* (Sorry, I think I may have taken that metaphor one step too far!)
: ) P
Cool daddio…or mommio…?
Comment 179, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
The freighter scene at the end with Sun just showed her in her new state…not intentionally she was leaving her old life behind with jin and it was showing how her new life would be with a child…it brought closure to their relationship i feel and it shows what Sun has ahead of her
Comment 180, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.
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If you count the feet, someone is on other side of Kate, and almost looks like whoever it is is holding baby, cuz something is sticking out in front of Sayid’s shoulder.
Comment 181, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
LostGrrl wrote:
We KNOW that in the O6 lie, Claire is not among the 8 who initially survived, because Kate is claiming that she was pregnant and had Aaron on the island. When Jack found out that Claire was his sister, he couldn’t say that he knew her.
Yes we KNOW, but the reason I brought it up was because some people were hinting at the fact Claire may be one of the 8, which I was trying to say cannot happen
Comment 182, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
135- Lost4ever mentioned the memorial service was way after rescue, but that can’t be true, Aaron looks exactly same as he did at press conference.
Aaron is huge, like some of you said. But he always has been. They have always used a baby ‘actor’ way older than his age right from beginning.
Comment 183, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Jin on short time, too bad, he’ll be missed.
Ben sure did switch gears after he manipulated Hurley to find the cabin and Locke to go into it. He really plays Locke for a rube - no way John is a future island leader. He lacks the big game skills. “…I ALWAYS have a plan (you fool).”
More questions than answers, which is par.
Michael can’t blow up on the boat if he is in the coffin.
I think we might be looking at a couple of deaths next ep:
1) Jin
2) ??
(Red Shirts don’t count)
Comment 184, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I have a different question. When Ben was signaling with the mirror, he received a coded response back. At that time Kearny and crew couldn’t have taken physical control of orchid. Doesn’t it seem strange that Kearny did not have a lookout posted to see Ben before Ben spotted Kearny’s team? I would think Kearny would have been more cautious.
Comment 185, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Finally, done reading all the posts…here are my thoughts
I still think the coffin is michael (kevin johnson) which is why no one was there! Although, even if his mom and walt knew his new name was Kevin…perhaps neither wanted to fly to LA, I mean after the crash and all. Jamiegirl said Michael cannot commit suicide, but I think he just couldn’t do it until the island “LET HIM”, because he had to help the island first.
moving the island makes sense, because penny was trying to find it, it probably has moved in the past perhaps this is why they cannot get back to the island….it is missing
awful lot of rabbit’s feet tonight!
I think Mr. Eyeliner (love the name) sets up the whole O6 escaping island. I don’t think they will be taking Kate and Sayid as hostages, I think they want to help them off island.
Comment 186, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I thought the same thing. Maybe they were hinting at that being the last time Sun sees Jin?
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I def. think you are correct. Somehow she and Aaron get off the freigter just before the big bang.
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I could see this as a possibility. But I’d expect a more obvious final “good-bye” scene between Jin and Sun, to maximize the drama. Maybe the explosives go off, and Jin stumbles towards Sun and utters a final “I love you” before dying in Sun’s arms.
Comment 187, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Bobbi wrote:
Here’s what Jack says at the wake.
JACK: About ten months ago, I wrote what I wanted to say at my father’s funeral on the back of a cocktail napkin at the Sydney airport. I don’t remember what I wrote, but whatever it was… he would’ve hated it.
Comment 188, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Part two of my thoughts…
OK, what if….Des and Penny DO reunite, and they are on the island somewhere. Ben goes to Widmore and threatens to kill Penny, so that Widmore will lead him to island (perhaps Ben can’t find it, but Widmore knows where it is). Just a thought.
I also think this is why Sun bought Daddy’s company, so she can USE the power to help find the island. Sun’s dad would NOT have to approve of someone buying stocks, thats why its freetrade. He could try to prevent it,
which is why he is so upset with his men that someone did it sneaky, through five different banks. Settlement money probably isn’t enough to gain control of company, so perhaps Ben is also teamed up with her.
I think the other person she holds responsible is Widmore, and that is why she is teamed with Ben. They said the money came from several different banks, I think Ben is having the O6 help him. Ben says to Sayid at some point, something about protecting his friends. Perhaps he means the ones still livin on missing island. Afterall, by eliminating Widmore’s people, Sayid can assure that Widmore not find the island again and harm his ‘friends’.
Tasha said Ben didn’t actually tell Locke what to do at bottom of elevator, but that’s because he plans to catch up to him, which is why he asked Locke to hold his wand.
I am very interested to see how ‘long’ it takes for the second round of islandees to return to ship. If it took ages for the helicopter…hmmm.
Comment 189, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
docjock wrote:
You assume Michael is in the coffin. I do not.
Comment 190, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
2 Quotes of the night:
1. Ben: “I told you John! I always have a plan.”
2. Sayid: “Interesting choice in theme.”
Comment 191, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Morbidly guessing at two major player deaths for our season finale.
Possible to die:
Jin (mark it - he’s falling on a grenade)
Juliet (maybe, not much drama though)
Claire (seems likely, sure would like to find out what is happening with the off-camera rumors)
Sawyer (was thinking this was likely for high drama, but Claire/Emilie may have fallen on her sword, saving Sawyer/Josh)
Locke (doubt it, they’re not done with him)
Desmond (not until they play out the Penny thread)
Michael (not if we are convinced he is in the coffin = later)
Anyone else?
Comment 192, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Clearly, part of the point of the lie is to keep anyone from even looking for other survivors. Sayid answered so emphatically “absolutely not”, when asked if it were possible that others also survived. Everyone seemed so uncomfortable with the lie, except for Jack. Did HE come up with it?
Comment 193, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Clearly, part of the point of the lie is to keep anyone from even looking for other survivors. Sayid answered so emphatically “absolutely not”, when asked if it were possible that others also survived. Everyone seemed so uncomfortable with the lie, except for Jack. Did HE come up with it?
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That was my original feeling, Jack made up the “story”, or at least told them what the story was by whomever made it up. He also tells Kate “you did great”. It certainly did not seem like they were on all on the same page.
Comment 194, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Clearly, part of the point of the lie is to keep anyone from even looking for other survivors. Sayid answered so emphatically “absolutely not”, when asked if it were possible that others also survived. Everyone seemed so uncomfortable with the lie, except for Jack. Did HE come up with it?
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Jack usually seems to be the source of direction so I’m guessing the lying was a stance heavily advocated by him.
But for him to do that he must have a very good reason. After all, he “promised to get all those people off the island”. Plus, he’s usually the guy who jumps head first at any chance to be the hero, no matter the possible consequences. I think Jack comes to believe that the welfare of everyone who’s still on the island depends on nobody finding the island. As to how he comes to this enlightenment remains to be seen (Richard/Captain Eyeliner?)
Comment 195, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
If Sun and Aaron are in that picture, where is their shadow?
I don’t see their shadow when I freeze the picture.
Comment 196, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Comment 197, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
BenLazy wrote:
Shows how much I know ’cause I thought it was a bad accent too.
Comment 198, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
i agree
Comment 199, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Ok. Right away, I got the impression that if one person had NO business being rescued it was Jack. Not sure why entirely, but he should have stayed and let someone else go. Sun is definately PISSED at Jack. And man, that whole first scene with them all on the rescue plane was hard to swallow man. I feel alot of hardship for Jack right now… even though I also kind of think he’s a donkey at the moment.
He def makes a costly descision at some point very soon…
I am very glad all of that stuff was dealt with on the show last night, and nicely split up with some good island scenes, because the Oceanic 6 stuff really made me miss the island.
Plus…holy love triangle last night. Talk about the tensest love triangle moment yet. I cant really gather too much more yet, except that Jack is gonna have to deal with being a a total jack-ass for a while. HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED!
Comment 200, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Long time reader/first time poster.
I can totally understand why the O6 are lying and created a story. Here’s my thinking:
a) They want to protect the island and/or any people who may be still be on it. (Sawyer-I hope!)
b) It would be an unbelievable story - unidentified island with crazy people,weird black smoke, paranormal behavior-not to mention that it may have moved!
c) Protect themselves from Widmore-who will do anything to get the island.
This is why I think they don’t acknowledge the island, other survivors or anything that happens. Jin probably dies on the freighter(which is tied to the island and Widmore so it’s not acknowledged). Not sure about what’s happening with Michael or Desmond.
My big question is why they claim 8 people survived. Who are the other 2 (or 3 depending on Aaron)? I’m wondering what happens that they have to acknowledge that they died sometime after the crash-is there a body that washes up or something? Otherwise, why not just say it was just the 5 (or 6). I really hope that part gets cleared up in this seasons finale.
Comment 201, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
OK, here’s my theory:
The ship DOES blow, and Sun jumps into the water. Very dramatic, lots of music, Sun screaming for Jin. She THINKS Jin and the rest are dead (we won’t see any bodies though, of course). The second raft-load (who never make it to the ship before it blows) picks up Sun in the water and heads back to the island (no where else to go). There will eventually be a Jin/Sun reunion (at the last season?).
Also, the O6 get out THROUGH THE ORCHID/”TIME MACHINE THINGEE”. Sun is now back on the island, and the rest of the beach people head for the Orchid station (Daniel knows where it is). That’s how Sun joins the other 06ers. Then, the machine only can take so many at once, and they choose who to go (in a hurry of course, lots of drama). They end up at a place near the fake crash site, and stage a “rescue”. They are tramatized by the teleportation, etc., and agree to never tell ANYONE what happened. As someone else suggested, they will believe that in so doing, they can keep the rest safe. Just my idea. Any thoughts?
Comment 202, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Here’s what Jack says at the wake.
JACK: About ten months ago, I wrote what I wanted to say at my father’s funeral on the back of a cocktail napkin at the Sydney airport. I don’t remember what I wrote, but whatever it was… he would’ve hated it.
yeah, i don’t get this 10 months ago? if christian died 10 months ago and they were on the island 108 days, that leaves 7 months that they were on or getting to the island of Sumba?? don’t get it
Comment 203, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
bpl wrote:
I have a guess. I think that the ACTUAL rescue will be tense and couple of the “extras” from the beach are somehow taking up space that prevents a couple of “stars” from getting rescued. The two extras get killed in the maylee, but end up off the island when it moves…?
Comment 204, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
Here’s what Jack says at the wake.
JACK: About ten months ago, I wrote what I wanted to say at my father’s funeral on the back of a cocktail napkin at the Sydney airport. I don’t remember what I wrote, but whatever it was… he would’ve hated it.
yeah, i don’t get this 10 months ago? if christian died 10 months ago and they were on the island 108 days, that leaves 7 months that they were on or getting to the island of Sumba?? don’t get it
JMO, but now that we know that the time lines are all buggered up. Trying to figure out why Aaron is big and how long the O6 were actually missing is too hard. I am waiting to get an answer on island/real time ratios or delays??
Comment 205, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Michael last saw Walt before he left for the freighter and if memory serves, Walt was a lot older than he was on the island (and they were only there for a relatively short time). I’m not sure if this has anything to do with the time distortions or if it’s just the fact that the child actor had aged between shoots…
Comment 206, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Here’s what Jack says at the wake.
JACK: About ten months ago, I wrote what I wanted to say at my father’s funeral on the back of a cocktail napkin at the Sydney airport. I don’t remember what I wrote, but whatever it was… he would’ve hated it.
yeah, i don’t get this 10 months ago? if christian died 10 months ago and they were on the island 108 days, that leaves 7 months that they were on or getting to the island of Sumba?? don’t get it
JMO, but now that we know that the time lines are all buggered up. Trying to figure out why Aaron is big and how long the O6 were actually missing is too hard. I am waiting to get an answer on island/real time ratios or delays??
sorry-what’s JMO?
Comment 207, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I have a guess. I think that the ACTUAL rescue will be tense and couple of the “extras” from the beach are somehow taking up space that prevents a couple of “stars” from getting rescued. The two extras get killed in the maylee, but end up off the island when it moves…?
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Yes, maybe they don’t survive the teleportation from the Orchid (see my post #201).
Comment 208, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I still think the island moves before Dan can get back from the freighter
I don’t think the boat blows because I don’t think Michael can die
I think the same is true for Ben, I think that’s why he walks so willingly into tough situations, he knows he can’t be killed
I can’t wait to see how all the O6 are reunited, they’re so scattered all over the island right now, those last two hours are going to be intense!!
I’m still not sure that Jin dies…I think Sun possibly buys a controlling interest in Paik Automotive so that she can work to find the island again…or protect it
The whole O6 story is just so unbelieveable to me…can’t wait to see who comes up with it and why
I think the coffin will be a complete surprise to all of us, and I think there’s a whole lot more to Dan and Charlotte than any of us have thought of yet
I want to see what happens to Frank, if he is the one that ferrys them off the island in the chopper, what happens to him?
Still need to re-watch, but loved all the white rabbit feet!!
Comment 209, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I think Hurley teams up with Sun to by daddys company. Remember a couple of weeks ago he was in Hong Kong with her at Jins grave
Comment 210, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
A big warning for people who want to avoid this stuff:
Apparently some major spoilers about the remainder of the finale are out there on the internet. So be careful as you surf the web for these next two weeks. And if you do hear any of the spoiler info, please don’t post it here!
Comment 211, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
JMO = just me opinion
Comment 212, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
I have a guess. I think that the ACTUAL rescue will be tense and couple of the “extras” from the beach are somehow taking up space that prevents a couple of “stars” from getting rescued. The two extras get killed in the maylee, but end up off the island when it moves…?
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Yes, maybe they don’t survive the teleportation from the Orchid (see my post #201).
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Yeah, I just don’t think the Orchid is how the surviors get home. I think they get home the same way the freighter got to the island As I stated before, I think the Orchid is how they move the island.
Comment 213, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
Shows how much I know ’cause I thought it was a bad accent too.
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I looked her up on imdb - she’s a Brit.
I’m from all over - with a British mum and an non-existent father. I went to a kind of international school, had friends who were Aussie’s, South African, Saudi, German, Czech, Russian, Swedish, Dutch, etc. So I expect that is why my ear is so finicky.
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Comment 214, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I can’t help but feel the rabbits feet are a nod to the hard core fans…no?
Comment 215, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
LOL…..I was wondering if that was another #15.
Comment 216, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Im not sure why the off-island timeline would be difficult to understand. They were rescued by fishermen on the isalnd of Sumba January 7 (Real-world time). Christian’s wake was around 10 month’s after Jack was in the bar with Ana Lucia, the day of the crash. sometime in July 2005. That’s all real wrold time. Facts that the real world would have to understand, especially those nosey reporters.
Comment 217, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.
Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.
I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…
Comment 218, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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1. More of the island’s history - Four toed statue, the Black Rock, Adam and Eve, etc.
2. Is Clair dead or alive? And why did the actress who played her look like she’d gained 20 pounds in one week?
3. The Smokey/Jacob thing — how are they connected, and who is Jacob?
4. More on the significance of the numbers and the Valenzetti Code.
Comment 219, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
He wouldn’t know because he just glanced at it?
Comment 220, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I agree. The second protocol was developed by Dharma around 15 years ago. Maybe after the “incident” or when Danielle’s team reached the island. Good point, wouldn’t Keamy know the entrance ways and have them monitored.
Comment 221, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
I guess I wasn’t clear. I meant in relation to island time. Folks are trying to tie the size of Aaron to when things happened. I think once we find out exactly what is going on with island time, it will be easier to nit pick this stuff…..just an observation….I’m not trying to stop being from trying to solve it.
Comment 222, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
He wouldn’t know because he just glanced at it?
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It’s a thought, but I don’t think a merc like Keamy would just glance at it, he’s hard core.
Comment 223, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I guess I wasn’t clear. I meant in relation to island time. Folks are trying to tie the size of Aaron to when things happened. I think once we find out exactly what is going on with island time, it will be easier to nit pick this stuff…..just an observation….I’m not trying to stop being from trying to solve it.
For crying out loud…..I’m not trying to stop ANYONE from trying to solve it……I need to slow down. :)
Comment 224, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
I agree. The second protocol was developed by Dharma around 15 years ago. Maybe after the “incident” or when Danielle’s team reached the island. Good point, wouldn’t Keamy know the entrance ways and have them monitored.
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Ben told Locke how to get to the elevator, involving something about looking under a plant, etc. Possibly Keamy doesn’t know ALL THAT about the Orchid, just where and what it is. He had to wait for Ben. My guess is that they wanted to follow Ben to the “real” Orchid, but Ben came out with his hands up, so they had no choice but to intercept him there, on Ben’s own terms. Lets Locke sneak in to the elevator. Interesting that Keamy was entrusted with the mission, but not with everything: He wasn’t suppose to look at the “SP” unless it got desperate, and even then, only with the captain (with the second key). Hmmmmmmmm
Comment 225, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
thought they crashed septemberish 2004
Comment 226, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
But she can’t find out. If Kate admits that Aaron is not hers and that he is Claire’s, the whole 06 lie will start to unreveal. I think that is why Jack ends up not wanting to see Aaron- just too much guilt. I’m also not sure that he ever tells Kate that he is Aarons uncle.
Comment 227, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Kate would be up front because she is Jack’s significant other at that time.
Comment 228, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
thought they crashed septemberish 2004
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September 22, 2004
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Comment 229, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lola wrote:
thought they crashed septemberish 2004
It was, lost4ever meant the memorial is July ‘05ish.
Comment 230, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I agree that Aaron did NOT look five weeks old. At first, I figured it was more about CASTING a baby, than their lie, but I suspect it is partly both.
They crashed on September 22, 2004. 108 days later, when they were “rescued” would be about January 8, 2005. Claire gave birth to Aaron around November 1st. That would make Aaron about nine weeks old. That baby looked older than nine weeks!
But if according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Kate was “five months pregnant” at the time of the crash, that would put her as “full term” sometime in January. If, according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Aaron was five weeks old, he would have been born December 4, so Aaron would have been at least a month premature, and therefore should have been especially SMALL for five weeks!
I think that the press is being asked to accept this story and are willing to wait to get details and confirmation. In reality, we’ve seen an entire country suspend belief in the truth because someone official asked them to, so why not the media at that press conference?
We also have the time shift thing that has not been mentioned. How will THAT play into the rescue story?
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Babies have to be AT LEAST three months old before they can be used in movies. Kids below that age are not allowed per film industry rules, so no matter what, Aaron would have looked older. Though they could have used a smaller baby.
Comment 231, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
I agree. The second protocol was developed by Dharma around 15 years ago. Maybe after the “incident” or when Danielle’s team reached the island. Good point, wouldn’t Keamy know the entrance ways and have them monitored.
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Ben told Locke how to get to the elevator, involving something about looking under a plant, etc. Possibly Keamy doesn’t know ALL THAT about the Orchid, just where and what it is. He had to wait for Ben. My guess is that they wanted to follow Ben to the “real” Orchid, but Ben came out with his hands up, so they had no choice but to intercept him there, on Ben’s own terms. Lets Locke sneak in to the elevator. Interesting that Keamy was entrusted with the mission, but not with everything: He wasn’t suppose to look at the “SP” unless it got desperate, and even then, only with the captain (with the second key). Hmmmmmmmm
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I suppose, I would think that the SP written by DHARMA would be more specific if it is for a desperate measure….no? Why would desperate folks holding a SP have to guess where the real Orchid is?
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First off, probably the best Ep of the season, my jaw was on the floor the entire time.
Im not really sure about all the confusion about the O6 lying about the rescue. They really have no choice….the world has already been told and shown that flight 815 crashed and there were no survivors. If any of the O6 come forward and say they were stranded on an island and there are more survivors, then whoever staged the crash has some serious explaining to do, it now turns into a worldwide conspiracy, not only that but you then have rescue teams searching for an island that cannot be found….im pretty sure that widmore has something to do with the O6 getting there settlement money since he is most likely the one who staged the crash.
As far as the O6 getting off the island, here is my theory…i think jack, sawyer and the pilot (his name escapes me now!) make it to hugo and locke, an argument ensues and somehow hurly still ends up going with Locke (i think this situation is why hugo apologized to jack about not going with him when he was in the mental inst.) Jack and Sawyer follow, eventually meet up with the others along with kate and sayid, a war starts between the others and keamy’s team and Jack Sawyer, Kate, Hugo, sayid and the pilot make a run for the chopper, but sawyer stays behind to look for Claire. Once on the chopper they make there way to the frieghter where something has gone wrong with the C4 and its a matter of minutes before the ship explodes, Jin, being the honorable man he is makes sure that Sun is on that chopper and makes the ultimate sacrifice by staying on the boat with Michael, Des and the other people…..We now have our O6
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SUN_LOVER wrote:
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This would make a lot of sense (well to me at least!) Hurley does have $150 million from the lottery. He came to see Sun after the baby was born. In last night’s episode, Sun told her father that they would talk about “our business” after the baby is born. If Hurley helped Sun by her share of the company, then he might be going with Sun to talk to her father. Also, remember how Hurley said to Sun when he went to see Ji-Yeon that they should go see him. Maybe that HIM wasn’t Jin, but he was referring to Sun’s father.
Comment 234, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Could anyone please help me understand what happened on the freighter when Des ran into onto the ship’s bridge and I think he was trying to turn the freighter towards the island but the instruments were not responding. Has the freighter drifted too close to the island? or is all that C2 creating some intereference? is this realization prior to the discovery of the C2 even significant?
btw- Sawyer and Des are my favs and I’ll be crushed if they don’t make it!
Thx-helen
Comment 235, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I’m pretty sure that the initial press conference story is going to be on constant guard. There was a lot of heffenreffer being tossed around, and the reporters did not seem satisfied. I think I was too hard on Jack in my last post, calling him a jack ass and all. But I do think some of the lie is to cover up some slip of his, which he constantly seems to be trying to make right of in this episode, but we dont know what that is yet. The lie seems to have become more complicated than it was supposed to be, because they all (jack too) seem like they hate it.
and I still think Jack was not rightly supposed to leave the island. He is convinced that he did the right thing by doing so, but I’m looking back to the episode when him and Kate were talking about how Sawyer “made his decision to stay…” and I think the rest of the 06 have serious doubts about what he did. (whatever that is)
Last night my favorites were Sawyer and Ben. If anyone on this show has been selected for a greater purpose, I think it has to be Sawyer.. his whole attitude has completely changed in just the last few weeks… Jack as I said, has a lot more hardship to go through.
Ben. I like the fact that Ben went from being such a creep in last season, to just being probably the smartest guy around. When you find yourself rooting for the bad guy, then he’s got you!
Ben cant die…Keemey was ripped when that gun of his clicked (yet again) awesome!
Comment 236, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
wally p wrote:
Keamy didnt try to shoot Ben, he just gun butted him to knock him out…
Comment 237, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
GuttahMan wrote:
Keamy didnt try to shoot Ben, he just gun butted him to knock him out…
I’d say it was more of a pistol whip.
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But what do the O6 care about starting a ‘worldwide conspiracy’? the only reason I think they would be motivated to lie is either a) because doing so somehow helps ensure the other survivors’ safety or b) they are being coerced to lie by someone like Widmore (in who’s best interest it is to keep the island a secret)
Comment 239, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
Kate would be up front because she is Jack’s significant other at that time.
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I don’t think she was at that point. According to Eggtown, it seems that Jack and Kate don’t get together until after Kate’s trial, at which point Aaron appeared to be 2 or 3 years old. At the service for Christian, Aaron was still a baby (maybe 6 or 7 months old).
Comment 240, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
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But what do the O6 care about starting a ‘worldwide conspiracy’? the only reason I think they would be motivated to lie is either a) because doing so somehow helps ensure the other survivors’ safety or b) they are being coerced to lie by someone like Widmore (in who’s best interest it is to keep the island a secret)
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I agree, they aren’t lying because THEY don’t want the world to know about the island…THEY are being manipulated. At one time, when we only knew about Jack and Kate off the island, it would have been to protect Kate from the law. Now that we know she didn’t hide from the law, I think we know that someone else is forcing the lies.
Comment 241, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Adding: This is likely why some think Sayid is a double agent. Keeping the island secret, yet helping Ben go after Widmore(well after the O6 lie).
Comment 242, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Right, and even further making the point: I think that Jack’s first reaction would be to do whatever possible to get those people off the island, unless he had a REALLY good reason not to. He has no affinity for the island. That’s Locke’s department. In fact, it seems that the island no longer (if it ever did at all) has an affinity for Jack, judging by his recent bout with appendicitis. Jack (the) Shepard is always about leading the people.
Comment 243, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
With all of the talk of the O6 getting off the Island, there doesn’t seem to be any discussion on how they decided WHO got to leave? Maybe it wasn’t the Lostie’s decision as to who got to leave. Maybe Ben decided who left; he sent people he could trust would not give away any info on the island. We know Sayid is working for him so he would definitely sent him. The more I write this the more I am convincing myself that they were picked by Ben. As was mentioned earlier, Jack would NOT want to leave people behind and go home himself so possibly he was forced to leave the island.
Comment 244, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
JCK wrote:
I mentioned in last week’s thread that I think that the appendicitis was as much about moving the plot along as it was the island being displeased with Jack. I think that it is in Jack’s character to make sure EVERYONE got off the island before he did. I think that it is because of his recent surgery that other people insist that he go first.
Ben choosing the O6 may be right, but he does he give two hoots about Kate or Sun? I think he would rather Hurley stayed on the island.
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Comment 245, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
What’s the deal with Christian’s funeral? They knew he was dead before Jack even left for Australia, it’s not like Jack, where he there is a posibility he’s still alive. Christians was DEAD. Wouldn’t they have had the funeral months earlier, why wait until the return of Jack?
Comment 246, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Kate would be up front because she is Jack’s significant other at that time.
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I don’t think she was at that point. According to Eggtown, it seems that Jack and Kate don’t get together until after Kate’s trial, at which point Aaron appeared to be 2 or 3 years old. At the service for Christian, Aaron was still a baby (maybe 6 or 7 months old).
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I disagree. They have been getting closer and Jack talks to her like they are a couple. Plus, at Hurley’s party Kate says that Jack is running late, but he’ll be there. That sounds like something one would say about one’s partner.
Comment 247, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
I don’t think any of them were allowed to leave. It seems to me that the O6 more or less “escaped”. Sayid didn’t work for Ben until after his wife gets killed. I don’t think Ben “sent” anyone off the island. Again, I think they are off the island when it gets “moved” and ended up being rescued. Hence the big lie. Now the story turns to how and why the O6 have to go back and find the island.
Comment 248, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
It is an actual place- I don’t think there is an anagram.
Comment 249, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
I agree that Aaron did NOT look five weeks old. At first, I figured it was more about CASTING a baby, than their lie, but I suspect it is partly both.
They crashed on September 22, 2004. 108 days later, when they were “rescued” would be about January 8, 2005. Claire gave birth to Aaron around November 1st. That would make Aaron about nine weeks old. That baby looked older than nine weeks!
But if according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Kate was “five months pregnant” at the time of the crash, that would put her as “full term” sometime in January. If, according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Aaron was five weeks old, he would have been born December 4, so Aaron would have been at least a month premature, and therefore should have been especially SMALL for five weeks!
I think that the press is being asked to accept this story and are willing to wait to get details and confirmation. In reality, we’ve seen an entire country suspend belief in the truth because someone official asked them to, so why not the media at that press conference?
We also have the time shift thing that has not been mentioned. How will THAT play into the rescue story?
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Babies have to be AT LEAST three months old before they can be used in movies. Kids below that age are not allowed per film industry rules, so no matter what, Aaron would have looked older. Though they could have used a smaller baby.
Ok just a note that the age of Aaron, JMO, is being over analyzed. On Gossip Girls, those girls look 25, not 17. It’s TV people !
Comment 250, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
It is an actual place- I don’t think there is an anagram.
That would explain it!
Comment 251, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
I agree, Jack would be the type to vote for “Women and Children First”. As for the settlement, maybe it’s $3.2mm (laugh, I just remember Miles saying that to Ben and that conversation never being revisited or resolved - typical LOST, but keeps us all on our toes, and all blogging on company time) TGIF !
Comment 252, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
OK I’ll admit it’s a possibility. So if they are “together” in the few months after the rescue, lea