The Shape of Things to Come
3 months ago by WillRead more: Ben, Lost Episodes, season 4
Lost is back in a major way tonight – death, destruction and mayhem have all been rumored and predicted. The title itself gives reference to a book by H.G. Wells that speculates on future events and the nature of war.
Spoiler Warning
ABC’s Official Show Description
“Locke’s camp comes under attack, and Jack tries to discover the identity of a body that has washed ashore.”
The episode will be Ben-centric, including what is supposed to be an awesome flash forward. I am interested to see if we find out what happened to Rousseau and obviously, who washes ashore. There are a ton of other questions to be answered since the last EP (like always), so hopefully these last 6 weeks will deliver!
Episode Preview
Some sneak peeks: Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3 | Sneak Peek 4
Comment 1, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow i’m the first yeah.
Can’t wait till tonight
Comment 2, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Woo-who! I have my sushi and mango mai tais ready to go!
Comment 3, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
I know one thing, if Sawyer yells at you to “get back inside”…it’s bad luck (3 for 3). :)
Comment 4, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
I cant wait for tonight! I hope Claire doesnt die tonight…and I wonder who exactly is going to do the attacking???
Comment 5, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Get back inside!!
Just testing.
Comment 6, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Hello everyone… Just wanted to say that I won’t be blogging/chatting with you until the end of the season. I’ve waited this long for Lost to come back, so I’m gonna try to see if I can hold out until 5/29 to watch all of the final 5 hours, oops, 6 hours of programming. If you see me back here before then, then you know I would have failed and will readily sign up for the next LAA meeting……….
Comment 7, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
“Jack trying to I.D. a body that washed ashore”…
One thing has bugged me since Season One. In S1E5 White Rabbit - A passenger drowns - “Joanna Miller”. Charlie can’t help her. Boone fails. Jack swims to help her and saves Boone instead, having to let Joanna drown.
We never heard anything after that about Joanna, except when they creamated her photo in the bonfire (I think). I wonder if its’ her that finally washes ashore tonight. She’d have been in the water about three months by now, but she was blonde and pretty (like Jack likes) when she went in.
Otherwise, we have Greta and Bonnie from the Looking Glass, and Regina from the freighter, still to be accounted for after their adventures in Davy Jones’ locker. (aarrggh).
All speculation on my part - as I remain Spoiler Free and a Preview Virgin. The Joanna drowning just happens to be way up on my LOST list of per peeves.
Comment 8, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
All speculation on my part - as I remain Spoiler Free and a Preview Virgin. The Joanna drowning just happens to be way up on my LOST list of per peeves.
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Those are a few people that I was thinking it could be also Doc. Can’t wait for tonight. One question: Is a ‘per peeve’ a feline relative of a ‘pet peeve’? Sorry, couldn’t help myself. ; )
Comment 9, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
The Shape of Things to Come just makes me think of Refused’s excellent album The Shape of Punk to Come.
Comment 10, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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Maybe it’s Charlie, or Patchy, or maybe Jack is pulling himself out of the water! Wouldn’t that be wild?!? I’m just kidding. I’m so slap happy over three hours of fresh TV. I don’t even know what I’m saying.
PS - Think they tell us who’s in the coffin? HAHA - totally kidding!
Comment 11, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Sawyer’s Evil Twin wrote:
No… that’s a typo. I have a big fat band-aid on the end of my left middle finger where they stitched the tip back on a few weeks ago.
(I like the the Purr Peeve idea - my dog, Vincent, decidely does not.)
Comment 12, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
The title is very intriguing. Not only is it a song by the greatest song writer ever, IMO, Chris Cornell; more importantly, it was a book written by HG wells back in the 30’s.
In this book he foreshadowed what was gonna happen in WWII. Cities being detroyed from airstrikes. He beleived that the war would last into the 1960’s, being ended by a plague that almost destorys civilization. He also beleived that the solution to mankinds problems was a “world state”, being run by a dictatorship. This dictatorship promotes science, enforces basic English as a global language, and gets rid of religion. When this dictatorship needs to get rid of political opponents, it gives them a chance to take a poison tablet in the envronment of their choice.
Comment 13, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Something bad is gonna happen for everyone and its gonna be claires fault. If you believe the one black aone white eye Locke!
Has Jack ever seen Patchy, right?
Comment 14, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
I like the Joanna theory, but after 3 months in the water she would have to be pretty raw by now and almost unrecognizable (DHARMA shark food). I also like maybe Charlie. I think Regina sunk like a stone with all the chains she had on.
But what about Christian? His body was not in the coffin.
Comment 15, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Intuitively I think that they have never met, but, great point about Jack NEVER seeing Mikhail. I can’t think when, if ever, they have crossed paths, but, I will research that. I think I excluded Mikhail because someone still in Camp Jack has seen Mikhail before (Jin?), and would be able to tell us if the washed-up carcass was the Mad Russian. Missing one hand, may = Mikhail.
The island seems to always return what doesn’t make it out on the correct “heading”. Maybe the washed ashore body never caught the correct current. Maybe Dharma Sharks are kosher, or corn-fed. If it doesn’t have a Dharma label (or blessed by Jacob), they avoid consuming it. [;^)
[sorry if I offended, that last joke may have been out-of-line.]
Des has seen Greta & Bonnie before, but is on the freighter now. The girls were still inside the Looking Glass when Des escaped, so they are likely still there. Regina jumped ship outside of the island ‘bubble’ not too long ago (40 miles away) and probably could not drift to the island so quickly, even if she rotted away from her chains, and made it through the bubble.
That’s why I went for my “pet peeve” Joanna Miller. Her whole sequence seemed disjointed. I have always hoped that we’d get an endstory/backstory on her. It seemed out of place, but I just discounted it over the years as a “Charlie doesn’t swim well - Boone is ineffective - Jack can’t save everybody” lesson learned.
Comment 16, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
What about Inman? Whatever happened to him? Is he still baking om the island rock where Des hit him on the day of the crash?
Comment 17, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Are ya ready kids? Aye Aye Captain! I can’t hear yoooouuuu. Aye Aye Captain!!!
Wouldn’t Regina’s chains be drawn to the magnetic island?
Comment 18, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
I checked. I can not find any transcript where Jack and Mikhail are in visual/verbal range of one another, and we all know how NO ONE tells anyone else what is going on, on the island.
Juliet, along w/ Jin, could ID Mikhail, at Camp Jack. Hurley, Des, John, Kate, Ben are at the Barracks, and not with Jack. Bea, Tom, Bonnie, Greta, Naomi and Charlie are dead and can’t ID Mikhail. Des and Sayid are off-island, Karl & Danielle are indisposed, Alex is ‘busy’ and Alpert is heading for the Temple - so they can’t ID Mikhail.
I’m sticking w/ Joanna Miller (for now).
Comment 19, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
It could be someone from the freighter, Brandon or Minkowski. What did they do on the freighter with their bodies? Maybe Regina, Sector 7, the island drawing the chains toward it. Or what if someone else on the freighter is discovered to be working for Ben and they throw him overboard.
Comment 20, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Normally, chains like we saw on Regina are not magnetic. If they are they are not very magnetic at all… AND… not all magnetics attract - half the time they repel. She could be pushed away too. Personally, I think this (dead body) will be the least discussed topic 24 hours from now here at LostBlog. That’s why I brought it up so early.
Comment 21, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
So the body…..I don’t think its Charlie or Patchy because I don’t think their bodies are still…..out there because of the explosion. I don’t think its Regina because I think her body is in the bottom of the ocean. I think it has to be someone who died recently…maybe out at sea??? I think its gonna be someone from the freighter but not Des and obviously not Sayid
Comment 22, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
what if it’s collen (is that right?). she’s the one who they put out to sea and all the others were wearing white bcuz jack couldn’t save her. i’ve had this wierd feeling tho it’s gonna be sarah (jack’s ex wife).
Comment 23, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
hey what up losties, im back after many weeks… Lost is Back Tonight and im ready, got all the guns loaded, and the doors barricated… GET BACK INSIDE….
Comment 24, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
man if claire dies tonight, ill give her a job in a heartbeat…she so sweet n sexy…
Comment 25, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Sawyer’s Evil Twin wrote:
Are you okay? LOL
Comment 26, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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Gotta ask. Knife wound or attack?
Comment 27, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
It’s not Regina IMO(in the preview, the dead person is wearing white, Regina was in a dark clothes when she jumped), but THIS magnet does attract per the key around Jack’s neck and all the crap that flew at the wall when the hatch blew.
Comment 28, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
Welcom back…if you haven’t been shot. :)
Comment 29, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
What ever happened to Locke’s dad’s body? I remember him carrying it to him to Ben’s traveling camp, but not sure what happened after it. Could his body be the one washed ashore? Hope Nikki & Paulo’s remains stayed buried and don’t return….
Comment 30, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
Oohhhh who lives in a pineapple under the sea?
DHARMA shark square pants.
We haven’t seen him in a while.
Comment 31, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
i’dgetloswithsawyer wrote:
He was wrapped in a dark cloth. Washed up body wearing white.
Comment 32, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
I just watched all 4 of the “Sneak Peeks” and I can’t wait to watch the show in a half hour to tie it all together! My guess for the body that washes ashore is Charlie. Wouldn’t that be ultra dramatic???
As Hurley would say, “Wo Dude!”
Comment 33, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Phew, only 32 posts so far. I was figuring I’d login and see 300 posts and only have 1/2 hr to catch up. Looking fwd to tonight!
Comment 34, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
skweez wrote:
Meetings are one hour before air time (eastern)…see you there. :)
Comment 35, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
i can not wait until 15 minutes from now. i just want to jump out of my skin. lost always makes me happy until the last half hour before it comes on and then i start to go crazy.
Comment 36, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
The body was wearing white…the only thing I could think of is the doctor on the freighter. Everytime I saw him, he was wearing a white coat
Comment 37, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Angel wrote:
That my guess…wink, wink.
Comment 38, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Again - preview virgin here - never saw the wearing white thing…
game time in three minutes!
Comment 39, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Again - preview virgin here - never saw the wearing white thing…
game time in three minutes!
That’s cool, but you are chatting on the preview thread. :)
Finger a doctor injury or Purple Heart getter?
Comment 40, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Siberia…nice touch. Australia is the KEY TO THE GAME?
Comment 41, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Why is Ben wearing Halowax’s jacket?
Comment 42, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Too many FREEKIN commercials!!!!
Comment 43, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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OMG to many already!
Comment 44, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
HO-LY…Sh&%!!!!
Manipulator met his match.
Comment 45, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
OMG! Im in utter shock Im actually shaking
Comment 46, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
So Ben controls Smokey!!!
Comment 47, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
too much coming in too fast. It will take days to analyse the consequence of what we are seeing
Comment 48, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
lol was anyone else cheering on smokey?!?!?!?!
Comment 49, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
too
much
information
information
overload
brain
frying
ACK!
Comment 50, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben went into the tunnel.
Comment 51, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Bruno wrote:
I know, this so great. Ben gets humanized, do we dare believe he is on the good side now?
Did Ben go get Smokey/Whisperers to protect the island?
Comment 52, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben going after Penny. Desmond wont like that.
Comment 53, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Stupid episode
Comment 54, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
There were WAY too many commercials, but on a positive note, NONE of them were for Eli Stone!
: ) P
Comment 55, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I know, this so great. Ben gets humanized, do we dare believe he is on the good side now?
Did Ben go get Smokey/Whisperers to protect the island?
It still looks like Ben is on the bad guys side to me. Yes this stuff will take days to go over. I will return later.
Comment 56, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay, brainstorming session in order:
Why can’t Charles be killed? Native of the island? Is he 4 toed and somehow got off the island but can’t find his way back?
Comment 57, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
There was a depression in the ground where Ben was laying in the desert like he was dropped.
Comment 58, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
It appears that the title LOST has been redefined. No longer does it mean the LOST castaways, or the LOST way, but now its what has been LOST and the struggle to get it back.
Comment 59, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Ben can not kill Widmore. Because the island wont let him or because you can change the past/present/future.
Comment 60, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
jorge wrote:
Don’t even start. :(
Comment 61, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Michael wrote:
He seems to have teleported there.
Comment 62, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh, and “the island” is the key to the game.
Comment 63, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
He seems to have teleported there.
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Yeah,But when? WHen he went into the tunnel?
Comment 64, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Oohhhh who lives in a pineapple under the sea?
DHARMA shark square pants.
We haven’t seen him in a while.
LOL
Comment 65, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
very twisted. i lost it when smokey came and saved the day. that was tooooo much. not real.stupid, really
Comment 66, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
matt wrote:
deep…
Comment 67, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Smokey really is a security system
Comment 68, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Obvious teleportation. He was cold and wearing a jacket. Wasn’t that ice on his sleeve?
Will Ben send Sayid to kill Penny?
Comment 69, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
a security system that you can see through yet strong enough to pick up a gunman and wisk him …. where? remember mr. eko
Comment 70, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Last time I checked it was the show thread (not preview thread) meaning “No spoilers or discussion of episode previews.”
jorge wrote:
Shock and Awe - Like Ben said.
Translation for small minds… BEST LOST Episode ever.
Comment 71, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
when smokey “saved the day” i just started laughing. there’s nothing better then watching a cloud of smoke drag people across the ground and beat them to death. suffocating them to death wouldn’t be as funny, but really who comes up with that kind of an idea??
So sayid gets off the island, gets nadia (aww, love), she dies supposedly by the dude, ben gets sayid to kill him and cons him to working for him. And now ben’s going after penny & taking des’s love away! Not fair!!!!
ok episode…
Comment 72, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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WHere would he be teleporting from that would be cold. He looked like he got shot. and he was in one of those jackets.
& yes he will be sending sayid
Comment 73, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
My money is the FF at the animal hospital, when Ben says he has another name for Sayid…Penny.
Comment 74, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
guess it’s pretty obvious now that Ben can move through time and space. I got the impression that Ben travelled to Tunisia, Iraq and London when he went into the cave, but he didn’t have any bruises etc. Any suggestions?
Comment 75, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
pjsander i liked eli stone…OK WTF IS GOING ON…. so ben is a internatinal spy and this show proves it, i told yall long time ago he knows EXACTLY what he is doing…his daughter dies, so ben is gonna kill widmores daughter penny.. So is widmore and ben both buisness partners and some deal (the island) went bad and they wanna buy each other out, or maybe ben was like ENOUGH, get these flight 815 survivors off my island, and widmore was the only one with cash and resources to do it??…
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT BLACK SMOKE, and claire lives for now, but we know she gonna die or kate just adds kidnapping to her criminal history….and my dog keeps looking at me, i think he lost, or maybe he wanna be famous like vincent..
Comment 76, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
OK, the long wait is over and new food for thought.
So Ben is in Iraq in OCT 2005 and goes to London (either before or after that) to visit Charles Widmore to tell him he is going to kill Penelope (which we’ll assume he can accomplish at some point).
It seemed like Widmore had control of the Island way back in the Dharma era (or before?), when he told Ben it had always been “his Island”. If so, how did he lose the location of it? Could the Island have been teleported to another location off of Widmore’s “radar” ?
I knew Daniel was lying about the morse code and glad Bernard “busted” him. What’s his agenda, (or more likely) what is he going along with in deceiving Jack’s group ?
And to close for now while I lay awake thinking, Sad to see Alex meet her demise. I didn’t think they would do that and I’m sure many of us will miss her.
Comment 77, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
yeah, what did widimore mean when he said “it’s ALWAYS been MY island?”????? is he dharma or something???? i don’t think dharma considered the island to be the “hostile’s.”
Comment 78, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Shooter wrote:
My take is that he was summoning Smokey. The traveling will happen after meeting with Jacob.
Comment 79, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Shooter wrote:
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The bruises were the first thing i was looking for. Thats the only thing that makes me think he didn’t travell through the tunnel at that time.
Sayids reactions when he first see him was that Ben should still be on the Isalnd.
Comment 80, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
My take is that he was summoning Smokey. The traveling will happen after meeting with Jacob.
i think you’re right that he was summoning smokey
Comment 81, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
widmore probably funded the dharma inituative back in the day, cause he is a billionaire, and it was a research facilty, and he got the money to do it, so in words it might have been his island…..That was bens flash foward… lost chicka u a sucka for any1 falling in love.})
Comment 82, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Michael wrote:
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The bruises were the first thing i was looking for. Thats the only thing that makes me think he didn’t travell through the tunnel at that time.
Sayids reactions when he first see him was that Ben should still be on the Isalnd.
true forgot about that.
Has anyone tried to put together a timeline of all the flashforwards, especially now that we know they aren’t being shown in order?
Comment 83, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Great episode
how did Keamy survive Smokey?
and i wonder where penny is that would make her hard to find
Comment 84, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Shooter wrote:
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The bruises were the first thing i was looking for. Thats the only thing that makes me think he didn’t travell through the tunnel at that time.
Sayids reactions when he first see him was that Ben should still be on the Isalnd.
true forgot about that.
Has anyone tried to put together a timeline of all the flashforwards, especially now that we know they aren’t being shown in order?
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I would say they showed it in order just by his appearance and how it change. it became more groomed over time.
Comment 85, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
yeah ben says widimore will never find the island (so what happened to his people that found the island?). and widimore says ben will never find penny - so where’s she at??? w/ jacob? :P
Comment 86, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
And what’s Jack coming down with ?
We know it can’t be too serious ‘cuz he ends up back home, but it looks like his little illness might be important.
Comment 87, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Michael wrote:
The FFs in an episode are always in order per character. I think he was asking about ALL the FFs, not just tonight’s.
Comment 88, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
My favorite part of tonight’s episode was how Sawyer was so protective of Hurley, Claire and the baby. I’ve been re-watching the show from season 1 and he has really come a long way.
And I loved watching Hurley hold that baby while he played RISK.
It’s hard to believe that Ben left his daughter out to dry like that. I mean, what kind of guy does that? He is not a good guy.
The show has evolved so much from the beginning.
Looks like Farraday is a big fat liar. So, is the doctor on the boat not dead yet on the boat but because of the “time delay/warp thing-y” he will be dead soon so that is why he is dead on the island? Hmmm…ouch my brain hurts.
Comment 89, posted 3 months ago - Quote and reply
Michael wrote: