The Man Behind The Curtain
2 years, 9 months ago by WillRead more: Ben, Jack, Juliet, Locke, Lost Episodes
Another Lost wednesday is here and we’re all ready for tonight’s Lost episode “The Man Behind The Curtain.” A ton happening in tonight’s episode:
Spoiler Warning
- Will we really find out anything tangible about Jacob?
- What exactly will Ben expose to Locke about the Island?
- How will Jack explain Juliet’s recording to the Losties? Can he restore their faith in him?
Given this is a Ben-centric episode; we should obviously get some answers about his true origins, what his role was in the DHARMA Initiative, and more importantly where the relationship stands between the Others and DHARMA. I believe there is a legitimate rift between Alpert and Ben and that Locke is the mechanism they will both attempt to use to gain the upper-hand in whatever internal struggle that is happening.
Official Description:
The Man Behind the Curtain, Wednesday, May 9 at 10/9c on ABC. Ben begrudgingly begins to introduce Locke to the secrets of the island, beginning with the mysterious Jacob.
Preview
You can also see a sneak peak of The Man Behind The Curtain.
As always, read through all of the comments before posting. Be mindful of others and do not post any pre-show spoilers, they will be removed. Have fun.
Comment 1, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
It certainly seems like the writers have put a lot of effort in to making the last 4 or 5 episodes climactic, rather than just the season finale.
Based on the end of The Brig, and on the trailer for The Man Behind The Curtain, it’s clear that Jack knows more than we’re aware of, and certainly knows more than he’s let on so far. With Sawyer playing the tape, it seems to me that Jack has got some ’splainin’ to do!
Comment 2, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I worry most about the Jack/Juliet issue tonight. With all of this “Star Wars” banter going around… Jack=Luke and Jack strays toward the “Dark Side” of the Force (Others)… meaning he ventures out from the core values/objectives he shares with the beach camp Losties. Jack goes! Who follows? Who stays? Who follows the antiJack path?
Comment 3, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I really don’t think Jack is “with” the others, I think he’s playing along and Jules is actually the one that is betraying her group, she knows that Ben will never let her go, so she needs a power shift. Goes along with my theory (and the hints being dropped) that Alpert and the others close to Ben are tired of his crap and are hoping to use Locke to overthrow Ben.
Comment 4, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Im hoping for a little more insight on Ben. I hope they dont keep us hanging too much. Jack knows plenty and hes going to use it for his benefit.
Comment 5, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
PS… my first posting and glad to be here!
Comment 6, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hello guys,
do you think that all members of flight 815 are already dead and are in hell now, I don’t think so, I think this is another way to manipulate the group at the beach and this is just another plan of Ben, who is always manipulating.
And how did Penelope know the coordinates of the island ? She was searching with scientists for magnetic spots or magnetic events. What does Penelope know about all ?
Comment 7, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i believe that the island is a testing ground hidden from sattelites. the dharma iniative has developed methods of using electromagnetism to change events, to alter the minds of those on the island and block signals disabling contact with the outside world. they have discovered how the mind works and know how to manipulate it. they may also know how to ressurect the dead (not certain).the monster is an advanced technological developement which can alter thoughts and clearly kill people. the dharma iniative plan to save the human race and the island has its own magnetic field. many fathers of the losties were previous members of the dharman initiative. one sure thing the island is no hell, it is the future of civilisation.
Comment 8, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
plejaaden wrote:
C&C have all but completely ruled out “hell”. They’ve definitely ruled out purgatory, so it follows that they’d likely rule out hell as well. Especially seeing as Cooper’s references to it last week were just too obvious for it to be true.
Hammer, I’m beginning to think along your train of thought, that Alpert et al are tired of Ben’s shenanigans. I also think that there is enough evidence to suggest that Juliet, while not trustworthy at this point, is also not necessarily completely on board with whatever The Others are up to. If anyone is to defect anywhere, I think it’ll be Juliet renouncing any and all allegiances to The Others and joining the quest of the Losties to get back home.
Comment 9, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hello Everybody!
well jack is with the others & u can’t change my mind since i’m more stubborn about my opinions than a mule. jack is only there for himself now. he realizes tht there ain’t no gettin off the island & if u can’t beat em, join em. there ain’t no beatin ben or jacob so jack is joinin there group. (oh and if we’re doin star wars, jack is anakin not luke)
very happy we finally get a Ben flashback after the bastard has been on the show for 2 long seasons. i luv how evil & twisted the man is & michael emerson is an amazing actor. he’s very convincing.
Penny may not be who we think she is. Not quite sure yet, but she would make a great other/dharma. I think (am begginning to anyways) that she’s with dharma/others & was only with desmond because he has flashes.
Comment 10, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree with Hammer and JSEG. Juliet has filled Jack in and together they are planning to make a move against Ben (keeping the camp in the dark in a effort to avoid a potential leak back to the Others). But Ben, being the grand manipulater, is one step ahead sending the tape back to the beach. Perhaps Ben has some help with his manipulting tactics via a computer of some sort. Maybe that computer goes by the name of Jacob! Maybe the only person who has ever SEEN Jacob is Ben (think HAL in 2001).
Comment 11, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Although i mostly agree with you right now about Jack, I still think it’s a possibility he is still a Lostie. And if we are doin the star wars thing, Swayer=Han Solo(personality wise)
anyone else have any star wars connections?
Comment 12, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lostchicka:
i’m with you on Penny, she’d make a fantastic covert Dharma operative…
so stoked for tonight.
Comment 13, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
We didn’t start it here, but one of the producers started the Star Wars references for tonight… @
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038267,00.html
Comment 14, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone think that someone else in the lostie group is a spy for the others or maybe is an other? Maybe there is someone like an Ethan, that ran out of the jungle and we just dont know it yet . . .
Comment 15, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
scuba – Hugo accounted for everyone on the list except Ethan, so it would have to be someone from the tail section. Who’s left from the tail that could be an other? Spies are a def. possibilty though…people do things to get what they want/need.
Comment 16, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Comment 17, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
can somebody plz explain this to me…how come lost is telecast at 10pm and then have a repeat in PRIMETIME??
Comment 18, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
primetime i mean at 9pm
Comment 19, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
maize – You most likely already know that the originals are aired at 10 so as not to lose viewers to Idol. The reruns at 9 are for the us crazed Lost fans that don’t watch Idol.
Comment 20, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Regarding Star Wars – The island could be the death star in disguise? Jack could find out about Claire? Locke could be Ben’s father? Okay I had better stop.
Comment 21, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
makes sense now..thanks hammer..i thought becos ‘lost’ lost ratings..hehe
Comment 22, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
So iwent to lostspoylers to reade the rest. thye’re saying nothin abaout the mtg with jacolb, ya gotta wtch they say,
werez andreus?
Comment 23, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Guys, even though I love the Star Wars theories (big fan), I think because the producers are also big fans they are incorporating references just to pay homage. I don’t think the story is based on SW. It would actually be cool if Alpert is Jacob and disquised as a servant like the princess, but IMO this story will stand on it’s own.
Comment 24, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bonghitz – Andreas moved on but Will and his entourage are running the blog.
Comment 25, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tanks, wesley.
Comment 26, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i didn’t know i’d offend so many people by 1 little itty bitty comment. sorry, didn’t know it counted as a spoiler.
Comment 27, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’ve said it before & I’ll say it again…
Vincent is Jacob. You know it’s true!
Can’t wait to chat about the ep with you all soon!
Comment 28, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Oooh ooooh plus i meant to say that I really hope Jack & Claire find out that they are Brother & Sister tonight but sadly I just don’t think it will happen ever on the show – I think it’s just one of those priviledged information things that only us “watchers” get to know :( I’d love to see some nice bonding moments between them on finding out the news – remember Jack was 1st to help Claire after the crash. Totally because he’s a doc & she was pregs at the time though. Ahh sigh. Plus a full shirtless hour of Sawyer wouldn’t go astray ;0)
Or KateLucyMonica for that matter! haha. Enjoy guys, meet you back here to discuss…syncronise your watches!
Kate (nz)
Comment 29, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
That episode was incredible. Just wanted to be the first to post on this. The scene with Jacob, can someone tell me that I’m not crazy? I swear, when Ben was at the rocking chair and told “Jacob” that he’s had his fun, and Ben was thrown against the wall, the camera panned back to the chair and I am sure I saw someone sitting in it! It was for only a second. Can someone confirm!?!
Comment 30, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
It’s a boy, Roger!
Comment 31, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Nimbustay, Mr Goodwrench!
Comment 32, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Itz not time yet, benjy man.
Isntt anyone watchign this show?
Comment 33, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Wooooooo Hooooooooo!!! Frickin’ goose bumps man! I still think that Ben’s higher ups want him out…didn’t count on Alex helping Lock…but are they in for a surprise ay?
Comment 34, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i cant believe they killed locke, so many questions………………..
Comment 35, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh my God! They killed Locke! You bastards!
Comment 36, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Matt wrote:
yeah there is a man in the chair for a brief sec. I watched it in slow mo
Comment 37, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i dont know if i can watch this show if john locke isnt on it… im literally crying. is that pathetic? probably.
Comment 38, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i swear to god if Locke dies im gonna stop watching the show
Comment 39, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jacob is Desmond!!!
Comment 40, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! OH MY FRIGGIN GOD!!!!!!! LOCKE IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!! LOCKE IS FRIGGIN DEAD!!!!!!!!! BEN KILLED LOCKE!!!!!!!! BEN SHOT LOCKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY HEAD IS STILL SPINNING!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment 41, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
btw… what happened to Annie? did ben sacrifice her too? he sure seems to miss her.
Comment 42, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
oh….my…..god. Greatest Show in the history of TV. Greatest episode of the series. PERIOD.
Comment 43, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I was actually expecting Locke to kill Ben…
Comment 44, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Oops, I meant to say Jacob is Kelvin
Comment 45, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Was that just a bad make-up job, or has richard alpert not aged in 30 or so years….
Comment 46, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’m done with LOST. Locke is dead. I can’t friggin believe it. This is the worst ending to the one of the best shows I’ve ever watched. What a disappointment.
Comment 47, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay. I know this is a repeat comment, but how could this happen??? I am soooo mad! Locke CAN’T be dead!!!! Ben should be dead! GRRRRRRRR
Comment 48, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
omfg
I swear if Locke is dead…I mean…. I mean, we all knew he was probably going to die at some point in the series…but not this soon…
Although, I have more than a feeling that this isn’t the end of Locke, somehow…it can’t be…
Comment 49, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think he’s dead!
Comment 50, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
a few things:
first, ben’s dad is uncle rico.
second…for all of you who once laughed at my “wizard of L’OZ’T theory”…This episode definitely confirmed its validity and even though there was the “help me” bit, I still think it is worth consideration. I’ll look it up and repost it!
third…best episode to date!
Comment 51, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
ekco was right, locke was next.
i see they’re setting up the next season to show the natives.
Comment 52, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’m gonna com straight out & post my theory on Jacob & Ben.
- Ben can see dead people (his mom. is that y richard wanted to talk to him?)
- Jacob is dead.
- Richard really cared when Ben said that he could see his mom who’s dead.
- Dead People aka Ghosts can move things around & not be seen.
- Ben is the only one who can see jacob since ben is the only one who can see dead people.
tell me what u think. have i watched Ghost Whisper 1 to many times?
Comment 53, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
we dont know for sure if locke is dead or not and judging by the connection with him and the island there is a real possibility that he will be saved and there def was someone in the chair but i dont know who it was…this episode was crazy
Comment 54, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jacob will save Locke. This show rocks
Comment 55, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Locke isn’t really dead.. He’s only badly injured. I’m POSITIIVE the island will heal him in a day or two!! You can count on that!
Comment 56, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
They CANNOT have killed Locke! Can the island heal or save him now?!
And Nick D. I caught the no-aging thing too!
Comment 57, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
BongHitz4Sawyer wrote:
the others are the natives! well, some of em anyways (ex. RICHARD).
Comment 58, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Nick D. wrote:
This is exactly what i was noticing. Lost doesn’t make mistakes like “bad make-up.” Alpert definitely didn’t age…something weird with time!
Comment 59, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
yea the others killed all of the dharma intiative crew…they are all messed up this show is out of control now
Comment 60, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Nick – not a bad make up job, island time…
Why did Alpert let John do his thing? Looks like Ben’s agenda is overriding Jacob’s. Why does Jacob need help? Jacob is not Smokey.
More Daddy issues too.
Comment 61, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
What an awesome episode. I also thought that I saw a man in the chair for a split second.
I will say, although some of you are freaking out, we didn’t actually see Locke die.
Comment 62, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
wow… what a show, locke is not dead please, someone will come for him, who is jacob, what’s up with the dead mom, why did jacob need help, who are the hostiles, that russian dude was running for a hell of a long time, desmond is he dharma, hostile, lostie, what the hell is he, ben is ruthless we know that, we also know he lies, man i hate this show……just kidding
Comment 63, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
1) Richard hasn’t aged a day since 30 years ago.
2) Locke is…*gulp* DEAD? OMG! OMFG!!!!!
3) Ben has some serious birthday issues. Apparently his idea of a birhtday party is murdering a new person. (mama, daddy, locke).
Comment 64, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think that Ben should be considered special for seeing his mom…Haven’t lots of the Losties seen dead people from their past, people they had unresolved issues with?
Comment 65, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Locke is dead, just face it. The writers had to prove how tough they were by killing the patriarch. So predictable in this day and age. What a disappointment.
Comment 66, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I thought this show was supposed to have a scientific explanation for everything. Now, ghosts?
It’ll be totally lame if they let Locke live. I odn’t think it will happen.
Comment 67, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
god i luv this show! i thougt jacob was freaky untill locke died (i’m just gonna say he’s dead for now.). My mouth was open for 5 minutes straight! OMG! So many twists & turns! Best one yet!!!
PS: BEN SEES DEAD PEOPLE!
Comment 68, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka – oh, you’re onto something…Ben shot Locke because Locke could hear Jacob…you haven’t seen the end of Locke, there has to be a battle for Jacob between Locke and Ben now.
Comment 69, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Joe wrote:
Locke is 100% NOT dead. Trust me.
Comment 70, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i dont want to sound dumb but who is alpert?
Comment 71, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
BongHitz4Sawyer wrote:
Lmao. I love hwo everyone is saying “GHOSTS!”. We don’t know what is up with jacob…but I’m pretty sure hes not a damned ghost.
Comment 72, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
island time… why so slow?
Alpert should have been much older- LEP and Joop at work i guess!? I was hoping we might see the monkey. maybe ben’s next flashback episode…
i guess if walt ever comes back to the island, DL&CC wont get their panties in a bunch with a 18 year old playing a 10 year old boy… just excuse it with “island time” theories…
Comment 73, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
that dude who did not age, i think he aged really, well, he knows the secrets of the island, he prob. knows how to look good.
Comment 74, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Great episode!
Some points:
- Yes, Richard is 30+ years old and hasn’t aged a day. Is he one of the islands original inhabitance? How many toes does he have?!
- This adds more fuel to my theory I’ve said many times before: There is another set of “others”, more primative and unkempt, than what we see with the Ben group. Perhaps the Richard group that helpd Ben kill the Dharma people is a splint group from the main Others?
- This proves one thing: The Russian wasn’t lying when he told Syaid that he was the last of the Dharma survivors.
- I always thought the whsipers in the jungle were ghosts. Pretty boring however if it turns out to be an island of ghosts and angry spirits. Very lame. This could be the “jump the shark” episode if that’s what it turns out to be.
Comment 75, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Serious question about the “natives” or “hostiles”.
It appears quite apparent that their biological aging is inhuman, they made a point in this episode to show that Alpert hadn’t aged a day in 30 years, implying some sort of immortaility property here.
But if thats the case…where are the rest of the natives now? Ben said theres little to none of them left, that they had to recruit new people from teh outside, so what happened to all the other natives we witnessed at the end of the purge?
Comment 76, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Help me out here:
If Ben was the outsider, the only non-native, why the hell would they let him be the leader? That doesn’t make any sense unless:
1. Ben has some special powers because of the island.
OR
2. Ben is merely a ‘pinocchio’ where Jacob is the puppetmaster.
OR
3. Ben has discovered a way to kill/affect natives at will in such a way that they are genuinely afraid of him and take direction from him. (This would make some sense of the ‘help me’ comment by Jacob).
What do you all think?
Comment 77, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
1) as much as i luv locke, he has to stay dead. mikhail was a big enough shocker. i can’t handle 2.
2) ben killed his father & betrayed dharma to get in with the hostiles. i think that is more proof that u hav 2 kill in order 2 b accepted.
3) i think we should all sing the happy birthday song to ben so mayb he’ll calm down & quit killin people every year on his birthday.
Comment 78, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh, and uhh, if these natives had no contact with the outside world prior to DHARMA, how the hell are they so civilized and technologically sophisticated? Where’d they get the gas and masks employed in executing the purge?
Methinks Season 4 will be about natives…
Comment 79, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
I’ll be nice…Alpert is Richard Alpert, the guy who recruited Juliet and retrieved TMFT.
Comment 80, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
Go rent Smokin Aces and you’ll see Nestor and Matt Fox.
He recruited Juliet in not in portland episode. He loves wearing mascara. He gave locke the Sawyer file.
Comment 81, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
o yea now that u said i remember thanks hammer
Comment 82, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
1) Richard’s timeless. Yes.
2) Locke’s hurt…dramatically. Yes.
3) The Others (Hostiles) didn’t murder the Dharma people. This ep was clearly setup to make us sympathize with them, but how could people w/o access to technology develop a bioweapon like that? It probably CAME from Dharma. And if they couldn’t live peacefully on the island, then perhaps there was a state of war there and they needed to be repelled.
4) Ben’s not the only one on the island who sees dead people. I know no one likes him anymore, but remember Jack?
Comment 83, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
alpert is richard (richard alpert). he’s the dude who last week gave locke sawyer’s file & had the long hair in this episode durin one of ben’s flashbacks. (i think that hostiles/natives age differently then non-natives. that is y they r willing to risk women dyin to hav a baby)
Comment 84, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone else find it odd that Richard looked the same in the flash back of young (12yr or so) Ben as he does now; 25 to 30 years later??? And on top of that, when Locke heard Jacob say “Help me,” am I just crazy, or did the voice sound like Christian Shephard’s ( Jack’s dad) ??? Great episode!
Comment 85, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i for 1 still luv ben. i know, how could i pick that lyin, twisted, manipulatin other over locke. but cum on people, who’s more intrugin ben or locke? i think ben. this ep proved it.
Comment 86, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
how did desmond get on the island, do we know?
Comment 87, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Locke is dead. This sucks.
Comment 88, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka – Locke still being alive is NOTHING like Patchy. All we have seen is that he was gut shot…and he was still alive when the camera left him…
Comment 89, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
ok… I see someone beat me to the Alpert question…. :-)
Comment 90, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree Laura – lots of the other lostie have seen things that shouldn’t be there eg jack ’saw’ his dad, Kate ’saw’ the black horse, blonde girl whose name has just gone out of my head…boones sister, ’saw’ Walt and probably lots more.
I think the most intersting part of this episode was that Richard was a hostile while the Dharma initiative was running and that he didnt’ seem to age – was about 20yrs older than young-Ben and in present time hes about 10 or so yrs younger than Ben.
The Jacob part…..no comment yet!
(I’m going to go seriously off topic for a second….I’m not liking the masses of posts that just dont’ have any relavence, eg ones talking about past episodes and most annoying are the posts that just say ‘crap episode’ / ‘loved it’ – its boring and childish and pointless…..much like the last part of my post but I just HAd to say something as its been annoying me and keeping me away for a few weeks now)
Comment 91, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
1) i thought jacob’s voice was inaudible. i listened close but couldn’t make anything out. i also didn’t see any person sittin in the chair.
2) how did alex know that locke would need a gun? her dad always kills on his birthday? Ben’s tooken Alex to see jacob before & tried to kill her too? she was there when he killed somebody else who heard jacob?
Comment 92, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i cant wait for the episode for ben to die…and i was thinking about it and i remember when this show first started and i thought the polar bear was weird…that has nothing on the stuff happening now lol
Comment 93, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Spin – It’s very possible Ben gave the same nerve gas to the Others as he used on his father. They had gas masks too which he probably gave them.
Ben is the leader probably because it was his idea to kill the Dharma people.
I’ve often thought that Dharm first used a bio-weapon on the island’s natives that killed most but not all. Could be that Alper and pals is all that is left of the original natives.
Comment 94, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Terry wrote:
race around the world. he crashed on the island in libby’s husband’s boat.
Comment 95, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I seriously doubt that Locke is dead. Firstly, why would the writers kill off a very popular character just one episode before the finale if they truely want him dead? Wouldn’t it make much more sense to build up the suspense with teasers saying that a fan favorite would die in the finale? Secondly, far too many issues with Locke and the Island are still up in the air; for being a fairly essential plot line, this is too quick of a way of tying off this story line. Thirdly, and as with most of what I have to say this is just my opinion, I think the writers were in an odd position with Locke in these last couple of episodes. Obviously they want a major confrontation between the Others and the Losties, but whose side would Locke be on? If Locke is still around after visiting Jacob with Ben, then he would have to pick a side and tick off one or the other of the groups. By “killing” him, the writers are able to stir up the fans, keep Locke in his new lone wolf role, and have a surprise to throw out in season four. Lastly, Locke is the man! I mean come on; he survived a fall out of an eight story apartment, so how is a little gun shot wound going to kill him?
Comment 96, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Anyone catch the white rabbit/Alice in wonderland reference?
Comment 97, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
I was about to post about her knowing to give Locke a gun. Maybe this situation has happened before?
Also, thinking back to past episodes, in what we saw tonight….what exactly was the “incident” that happened? Was THAT the incident or did they just skip over that part?
How long ago was all of dharma killed? I am so confused!
Comment 98, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Terry wrote:
Terry – Desmond set off on sail boat race to prove to Pen’s Dad that he was worthy of his daughter…then ended up on the island as a button pusher.
Comment 99, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Yeah loved the polar bear painting LOL. They are sooo f***in with us! Whoever said earlier about Jacob needing Locke’s help, I think that’s right. Ben’s been KEEPING Jacob under wraps or control somehow, and Jacob wants free. Perhaps sees Locke as a means of escape. So Locke has to live (via the island’s healing properties…not divine intervention) in order for any of that to make sense. No more worries people!!! xoxox
Comment 100, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i choose locke dyin over ben anyday. i like bad@$$es. i don’t care if they’re over 40 or not. bug eyed or deep brown eyed. i just love bad@$$es! locke is to easy to manipulate. & besides i thought locke quit breathin when the camera turned off.
Comment 101, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
When Richard told Ben as a child to “be patient” to become a part of the hostiles…he meant it! 20 years later!
Comment 102, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
o yea the island does have healing powers…i forgot about that locke is prob running around right now already healed…god him and hugo make this show
Comment 103, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone else catch the salt around Jacob’s house in a circle? Isn’t that what psychos use in order to keep spirits from crossing a line during a seance or something like that?
Comment 104, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bryce wrote:
Bryce you hit it on the head with that one! Pleeeeeez people…he’s not dead. Great drama though! =]
Comment 105, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
OMFG!!!!! I sat there for 5 minutes just pondering the possibilities – with my mouth open! What an outrageous ep. Some of us called Locke’s fate but I did not expect it so soon. Yikes!!! Gullible to the last, if it is the last. If they have balls he’s gone if not Jacob will help him. However, it sounds like Jacob needs some help right about now himself. Ben the boy I felt sorry for. But he turned into Ben the ruthless and look out. So, the natives do not age but the outsiders do. Perhaps only the natives can reproduce, then. WOuln’t yu know just when we thought we had some solid theories they nailed us…again! I just love it. Cannot get enough!
Comment 106, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sry, not sure if anyone has said this yet. but i read that someone asked why was jacob wasking for lockes help. i just wanted to point out..remember locke noticeing something strange about the soil that seemed to encricle where jacob was…he even picked it up and smelled it. to me those looked like ashes. whats if ben is keepin this ‘whatever it is’ jacob there from leaving by surrounding him by these ashes or whatever they were and therefore controlling him and making ben the #1 most powerful guy on the island?? any thoughts
Comment 107, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Prologomena wrote:
I thought it was gun powder….
Comment 108, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
For us Old Farts: Does DALLAS and “Who Shot JR” Ring a bell. Locke was shot and the end…made to appear that he is dying…It never showed him dead.
LOCKE is Alive!, He’s Alive!! Get a Grip everyone!
Comment 109, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jacob – If he is a ghost or an entity that represents all the spirits of the dead Dharma people then maybe he’s going to take over or posssess Locke at the moment of his death?
Remember the line of ash around the house where Jacob was? Could be a magical/mystical tailisman(sp) to keep the spirit there!
Comment 110, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
And in those many years of being “patient,” I wonder what happened with Ben becoming an adult…while he was being patient…
Comment 111, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
maybe the salt around Jacob’s place was Ben’s way of keeping Jacob in…that’s why he asked Locke for help.
Comment 112, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
And the ashes having something to do with the volcanic activity?!??
Comment 113, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think once Charlie gets it, that will be it for major characters dying this season.
It looks like this series is taking a turn toward the supernatural, besides all the abnormal psychology.
Locke is dead. What would happen if he made it out alive? He’d have to tell Jack and the other losties what he knew. But didn’t he tell Sawyer that he was on his own now?
Alex knew about daddy’s birthday plans, but Locke gets conned again, this time for good.
Comment 114, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha – good question…was the purge and the incident the same day as what happened to Danielle’s group?
Comment 115, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hi everyone,
First post. A lot of good comments! A few thoughts from me:
(1) I don’t think we need to appeal to ghosts to explain Jacob. I think Jacob’s quasi-presence is in line with Desmond “seeing” more than one timeline at a time. That goes with a running theory I have about Lost’s fictional metaphysics . . . it’s more about “finding the right possible world” . . . the one your dharma is in line with. You can trick this out scientifically, if you want, with quantum mechanics providing bridges between possible worlds blah blah.
(2) I’ll be shocked if Locke is dead. I assume Jacob will help him . . . although I’m sure interested in seeing what help Jacob himself needs.
(3) I was dead wrong about one thing: I would’ve bet money that Locke’s “Dad” was actually the black smoke monster, just as Eko’s brother was. And not really dead. But I guess not, since they seem to have dropped that. Locke’s Dad is just dead.
Comment 116, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
- no opinion on wether locke is dead or not. i’m gonna wait for that one. but i guess i’ll probably have a lot of posts that say he is dead just cuz it’s easier to write than “locke who is possibly dead on account of ben shootin him.”
- so what was that stuff around the house in the dirt? ashes (what i originally thought), gunpowder or…?
Comment 117, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
What was in those jars on the shelf in Jacob’s house? It looked to contain something red – blood?
Comment 118, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jake (#99) good catch on the white rabbit.
Didn’t Ben remind you of Norman Bates at the Bates Hotel, “Mother, Mother…”
He is pure evil.How did the “Hostiles” get there? Are they a offshoot of the Dharma Initiative who left the cause because they saw the futileness?
Locke is dead. Sawyer, Charlie and Austin are next. (my prediction)
Comment 119, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Well if there WAS an incident, does that mean some of Dharma survived? What I don’t get is there would have been people in the stations, were they killed too?
Comment 120, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
maybe jacob=locke and if you believe in christianity as it seems the producer does then make a parallel betweeen the two jacob=god locke=jesus black smoke=holy ghost…..just an idea
Comment 121, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
BongHitz4Sawyer wrote:
His eyes are just naturally beautiful! He doesn’t need mascara. I love Richard Albert/Nestor Carbonell!
Comment 122, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Since Ben killed his father that’s why he was so insistant that Locke kill his father too.
Comment 123, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
my theory on Jacob & Ben (already posted it, but heck nobody‘s commented).
- Ben can see dead people (his mom. is that y richard wanted to talk to him?)
- Jacob is dead.
- Richard really cared when Ben said that he could see his mom who’s dead.
- Dead People aka Ghosts can move things around & not be seen.
- Ben is the only one who can see jacob since ben is the only one who can see dead people.
tell me what u think. have i watched Ghost Whisper 1 to many times?
Comment 124, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I really hope it’s not ghosts. That would be too much like a bad Ghost Hunters episode. :-(
Comment 125, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Think about plot…they set us up for a battle for Jacob. If Locke is dead, who’s gonna be Ben’s enemy in the fight. Locke is not dead.
Comment 126, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
that’s ok~ no one’s responded to me either about what happened since ben was a child and was “patient” for all those years…or about the volcano and ashes…
Comment 127, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Also, didn’t Ben seem suprised when Locke couldn’t see Jacob. I think it’s(Locke can’t see Jacob) because he didn’t acutally kill his father.
Comment 128, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
on a totally separate note, and i know this opens up a world of diversions…. people seem to come back from dead. Does anyone think there is a chance that the couple who were paralyzed by the spiders will re-appear? Apologies in advance for the diversion. All I am saying is the end rarely seems the end and I would not be surprised to see them back in the game as well.
Comment 129, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
U hav 2 kill 2 b an other:
ben killing his daddy to get into the hostile’s club.
julliette killed pickett to get in with the others.
jack will kill??????
Comment 130, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Could Jacob be Ben’s Dad? An interesting parallel in the Old Testament Bible, Rachel named her son “Ben-oni,” meaning “Son of my sorrow,” before she died during the childbirth, but Jacob called him Benjamin…
Could the writers be giving us a clue with the childbirth-death-naming sequence at the beginning of the episode???
Comment 131, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jacob’s house looked like a lab experiment went horribly wrong ala Dr.Jekyll/Mr. Hyde. It did look like vials of blood, syringes hanging down.
Are the “Hostiles” native to the island or also imported like the Dharma guys?
Comment 132, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
For the love of god people!
Read all comments before commenting. If something has already been said, there is no need to say it again.
Stay on topic. If your comment is about last week’s episode it belongs in that comment thread. Search and find the right post.
Be constructive, don’t complain about Lost unless you want to discuss your complaint.
No spoilers or discussion of episode previews!
Be kind and helpful.
Comment 133, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jake wrote:
Good point. And Locke not seeing Jacob raised Ben’s suspicions about if Locke really killed his father.
Comment 134, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think they see “ghosts”. I think they’re seeing people and hearing voices from other “dimensions.” Other dimensions which are blending with the current dimension.
Comment 135, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i’ve gotten back into lost big time during this last season…and although i’ve heard the directors shoot it down, and i’ve seen on this blog that the idea is definitely out…here is my question…
How do we know that this is not pergatory or some form of a “halfway house” to another life, and that all of the stuff we see is not just thoughts becoming real?
any advice would help me dismiss the thought entirely.
thanks
Comment 136, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
there is no way jacob is ben’s dad because a couple episodes ago hugo found that van and they saw bens dad in there and the uniform said roger workman on it unless roger really is not his dad?
Comment 137, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Lostchicka: you say ben can see ‘dead’ people but lots of other people have sene things they shouldn’t do logically: jack saw his dad, kate saw a horse, shannon saw walt talking with water runnign out of his mouth and probably lots more I’m forgetting, so Ben wasn’t the first.
Comment 138, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben questioning if Locke could see him sounded more like Ben was taunting Locke – see I have more understanding of the Island and you don’t. He was stripping away Locke’s confidence. Locke was so sure of himself as he was leaving the camp with Ben. But as the were getting closer to Jacob’s Ben kept taunting and tearing away Locke’s confidence, causing him to doubt truth. He is evil
Comment 139, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think Locke is coming back. The russian resurrection was explained by the fence not being at a lethal setting. Lame yes, but explained by a ‘realistic’ scenario.
But Locke’s already been miraculously healed by the island once… I’m sure this bullet is not going to be the final chapter of Locke’s life.
Comment 140, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’m happy that my thoughts about Alpert being a time traveler – and maybe THE ONLY time traveler – seem to be panning out.
The black powder may have been gunpowder, but I’m more convinced that it’s Smokey in a dormant state.
I don’t have anything constructive to say, so I’ll follow the rules and not be redundant…and I’ll scan through the posts looking for anything with more than one sentence, or anything that doesn’t contain an “OMG” or the word “dead.”
Comment 141, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
1) at first i thought the ashes (that’s what i’m goin with right now. the stuff around jacob’s cabbin) was from dead bodies. now i think it’s from the volcano mayb.
2) jacob…no words to describe the great man. i guess this ep sorta crosed out richard or anyother person bein jacob. :) my god, that was the freakiest 3 minutes of my life!
3) i think ur dead on about locke not bein able to see jacob cuz he didn’t kill his daddy. also i think that jacob entering locke’s body would be friggin awesome! if locke dyin wasn’t a big enough game changer, jacob entering locke’s body would be!
4) i guess this episode crosses out the idea that naomi is an other. i’m still holdin on to the Raid Monitor anagram (thank u tina).
Comment 142, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think the gunpowder around Jacob’s house was put there by Rousseau. But then again, Ben didn’t seem surprised by it at all. Ben’s dad was “Roger Work Man”, the dead skeleton Hurley and them found in the VW Bus. And he is so totally “Uncle Rico” from Napoleon Dynamite. I pegged that one during the show while my family was saying, “Now, where have I seen that actor before…”
Comment 143, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Some important things not yet broached….
1 – Locke isn’t dead yet, he was still breathing at the end of the episode.
2 – There was a comment in the classroom early on I wanted to point out. They were showing how to make a volcano and one of the kids mentioned “like the one on this island” (or something like that).
3 – I know and realize he looks like Alpert. But with no recording available at this time, please let me know. Was the “Alpert” in the flashbacks at any time called by a name? Ben aged, Ben’s dad aged, but “Alpert” didn’t. Maybe this was Alpert’s dad? Don’t know, just wondering if he was actually called Richard or Alpert during the flashbacks.
4 – Why didn’t Tom or Alpert stop Locke from beating up Mikail?
5 – Lost Chicka – great catch on the “stay away from Ben on his birthday”.
6 – Locke was looking at his watch w/dad in the VW, obviously he knew the purge was coming. Did the others do something to all of the air on the island at that specific time? All the Dharma’s were killed out in the open. Seren gas like with Sayid in Iraq?
Great job everybody!
Comment 144, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
well, lots of people see dead people and other various things on the island. Almost everyone has seen something.
I’m not ready to believe that Jacob is dead
Locke at least heard Jacob.
Wait… Ben did not hear Jacob when he said “Help Me” I’m not sure how to explain. It was if only Locke could hear those words. Ben heard everything else that we and Locke didn’t. But, for some reason Jacob directed the “help me” only to Locke. I know because Ben asked Locke what Jacob said after he shot Locke and Locke said “Help Me.” But, Ben thought that Locke was asking for help(from Ben). LOCKE HAD TO REPEAT THE PHRASE “HELP ME” FOR BEN TO GET IT.
BEN DID NOT HEAR IT FROM JACOB.
Comment 145, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
It ALWAYS looks like they’re taking a turn toward the supernatural but then, at the last moment, they pull back. They may do it, but not yet. Still too many easy ways to explain what’s going on…question is…which is the right one?
Freeze framed the Jacob scene, and there is definitely someone in that chair. Check lostpedia.com for a screen grab later…you’ll see him. I’m too tired to do the work, man. Hahahahaha!!! On a more somber note, R.I.P. to the other Workman.
Comment 146, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jake wrote:
That’s very good!
He kind of killed his father so he at least gets to hear him. :)
Comment 147, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
bryan wrote:
Because kids can’t go to purgatory, is the biggest reason for me.
Comment 148, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FM – Do think Dez can be a time traveler or just see different times.
Awesome idea on Smokey being dormant…does Smokey need “something” to get him going, is he dormant because Jacob needs help?
Comment 149, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben rushed Locke from the circle of ash or salt surrounding the little house. There are Wiccan and native ritals that involve calling spirits into circles so it appears that Ben has Jacob trapped inside the circle. Will Locke’s disturbance be enough to allow Jacob his freedom? I can see how the Hostiles would look up to Ben for coming up with a way to eliminate Dharma but I am not sure why those seemingly immortal folks would put him in charge.
Comment 150, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
When Ben is in the van with Roger and he looks at his watch, it displays the time 4:00:15-4:00:16. 4 15 16 is part of the numbers..i think they are going to make a comeback
Comment 151, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
pillarstone wrote:
it was just an idea. i luv ghost whisper & that’s what came to my mind when they were in there & stuff started moving. at first i thought it was absolutely ridiculous. there’s no jacob, laughing hysterically then stuff starts moving, my laughing stopped & turned into huge eyes with mouth opened. ghost whisper just made sense. they showed us that ben’s mom was dead & he saw her. ben’s the only one who can see jacob. it just makes sense to me. u don’t hav to like it.
i think that kate’s horse was from patchy’s farm. jack saw christian cuz he was mourning, ptsd, & exausted. walt has super powers (remember?).
Comment 152, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
Correction on #6 “Ben”, not “Locke”
Comment 153, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree with FMSteveGreen on Time Travel. There are several episodes this season that continues to drive us toward a parallel universe / wormhole. This epi confirmed that Albert/Richard does or appears not to age. This would go along with a time traveler. Also the Magnetic properties of the Island are needed for travling through the wormhole.\
On a side note the VOICE “Help Me” Freaky don’t you think. Maybe Ben is Possessed or a Psycho Nut Job.
Comment 154, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Have we considered the possibility that Ben could not really hear Jacob at all? What if he was merely pretending for Locke’s sake to try to scare him? Then the poop hit the fan and as John was about to leave, he heard Jacob while Ben never did…
Ben is jealous of Locke’s powers to heal/walk etc. Perhaps Ben was trying to unlock Jacob’s secret so he could undermine him and finally get out from under his leadership? I don’t know.
Comment 155, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
It has been revealed in The Lost Experience that these six numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42) are the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of humanity. The purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the factors leading to humanity’s demise, which will be indicated by an alteration in at least one of these numbers.
Comment 156, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I don’t think Desmond actually travels through time so much as he lives a life, and then is reborn and lives the same life over again. So we get the perception of time travel, but he’s actually just recalling past memories.
I wonder if Smokey might be a physical incarnation of Jacob. He “sheds his skin” – aka the smoke/powder – when he doesn’t need to be seen…and leaves it in a pile outside the house.
This could explain why 1) Smokey didn’t kill Locke and 2) Jacob spoke only to Locke in the house. Jacob/Smokey knows Locke is special and so it is both trying to harness his power and keep him safe.
Comment 157, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hurley’s Dad, on your #4 post 148. I theorized that they are tired of Ben and believe in Locke and helped him get to Jacob. I will add now…they believe in Jacob, but can’t see him, they have been waiting for another “special” person to arrive because Ben has is evil and in control. Which leads me to wonder how long has Jacob been in need of help? Is this recent?
Comment 158, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreenSteve wrote:
I also meant to say:
That is why Desmond’s catch phrase is: “See you in another life, brother.”
Comment 159, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I said “AT ALL”, meaning the perhaps Ben NEVER heard Jacob, not as you suggest that he initially heard, then didn’t.
Comment 160, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Prologomena wrote:
idk…pretty convinceing conversation…i think ben really could…..mayb jacob can have a conversation with one person that nobody else can hear & then turn around & say something that only one person can hear.
Comment 161, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreenSteve on ur comment #165 about his catchphrase…that makes a lot of sense but if kept being reborn wouldnt all of the losties have to be to?
Comment 162, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
No one has mentioned anything about the significance of Ben’s little Dharma-girlfriend. We never saw her body after the purge, so we don’t have any idea if she is dead or not, but she is most certainly significant to him because Ben saved her birthday present for all these years.
Comment 163, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Yeah, except Ben is known to be a great liar/actor. Remember when he convinced almost the entire lot that he was not an other, but a baloon pilot (among many other huge lies like the biggie that we found out about today…not born on the island and orchestrated genocide of his own people/buried them in a secret grave).
Comment 164, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
jacob is smokey……..interestin idea. not a lot of sense, but i like it. :) Who needs common sense to watch lost?
Comment 165, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
There is no reason why everyone would have to experience the same continuous rebirth.
Comment 166, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
but how could he keep seeing them and keep seeing these ways charlie is dying if all of the losties have not been alive more than once too if he is really just seeing things from his past life
Comment 167, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
idk…..mayb ben was pretendin 2 b able 2 talk 2 jacob. i’m not sure at all about jacob. 3 hr.s ago i thought i had him figured out, but now? god, y does this show hav 2 b so damn confusin? :)
Comment 168, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
thats why everyone hates to love the show because just when u have it figured out everything changes
Comment 169, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreenSteve wrote:
I was just getting ready to. Are Ben and his girlfriend our Romeo and Juliet in the cave?
Comment 170, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I still don’t buy that the island raises the dead but some people have seen dead people. What if Locke were to die only to come back, still dead only more powerful (Obi Wan Kenobi for those of you that started the whole Star Wars thing) and helped to defeat the others in the showdown.
Comment 171, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben definitely can talk to dead people.
How can Ben continue to carry out projects? How does he have money to bring Juliet, etc. to the island? How was Dharma funded?
Comment 172, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
Like I said originally, he lives the *same* life over and over again. So he only had to experience this all once, in his “original” life, and then he subsequently re-lives that original life continually, or maybe even perpetually.
Comment 173, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreenSteve wrote:
Is Annie really Alex’s mother, making Ben her actual father? Is Rousseau (and us/the audience) wrong?
Comment 174, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreenSteve wrote:
Comment 175, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
How do they know about Sawyer’s murder in Sydney? This seems like an all knowing god-like force.
Also, is there significance in the name of Horus? I know the eye of Horus has to do with protection.
Comment 176, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
…Not unless you can explain how Ben is both dead and decomposed…and alive at the same time. =p
I don’t have any theories on “Adam and Eve,” but I don’t think it’s Ben + TBD-Eve.
Comment 177, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Off subject…Evie is on Kimmel right now.
Comment 178, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I looked closely at the frame of Jacob. The forehead looks pretty convincingly like Locke. What if Jacob is future-locke or something like that?
Comment 179, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
adam & eve = jacob & wife :P
Comment 180, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
yeah, and with blonde hair!
Comment 181, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
What is Jacob is Jack Shephard’s father, Dr. Christian Shephard.
Pic: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0411008/l.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Terry%2C%20John%20(I)&seq=2
Comment 182, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreenSteve wrote:
Problem is…creators said that couple in the cave will prove that this was all thought out in the beginning…how do you do that unless the couple in cave are people who are alive now? Lost time? Time travel?
Comment 183, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
so, am i the only one concerned about y/how alex knew that locke would need the gun?
Comment 184, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
- Uncle Rico,lol,the cameo’s keep getting better and better.
- Now when Locke was bolting out the door Jacob didnt say “Help me”,right? Thats what Locke told Ben Jacob said but thats not what I think I heard.I think Locke told him that to through him off,I dont know im gonna rewatch it later.
- liked Naomi’s line of “Dont you people WANT to be rescued!”
- You herd it here first … The little girl Ann(I think was her name),Ben’s childhood friend who carved a set of wooded dolls,well I’ll ben you it turns out that that girl is none other than Danielle Rousseau,and the other doll is with her where she lives.I bet she ranaway when she was young and gave the losties a fake name like Ben did(Henry Gale) way back when.Because if Alex is half Ben and half Rousseau,the only one he has a close relationship with is “Ann” and when him and Alpert complete that takeover he is fairly old so … unless hes off stalking down crash victims nobody else but him knows about,its got to be that little girl Ann is really Rousseau because why were that making such a big deal that she was somehow not around anymore,and he liked her so he didnt kill her so its Rousseau man,its Rousseau
- Locks not dead ok people,he was twitching moaning,eyelids going … hey,if they wanted you to think he was dead they would have done an Eko,Lucia,Libby,Arzt ect (never mind Patchy)
Comment 185, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreenSteve wrote:
I have read above
Comment 186, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
poopypants wrote:
There are so many reasons that is wrong, but I’ll give you the two most obvious:
Annie has red hair.
Annie has no accent.
Comment 187, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jacob:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob
Comment 188, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
artz died an amazing death. who wouldn’t wanna blow up while handlin unstable dynamite in the middle of the magic jungle?
Comment 189, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
poopypants wrote:
—
Uh, yeah, except that I posted 35 minutes before you…
Aaaaaaaaaaanyway…
Where the hell are Rose and Bernard. I never really cared, but now it’s starting to bother me, especially when they aren’t even in the background of the group scenes (aka, when Sayid/Sawyer are explaining to the Losties about Naomi).
Comment 190, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreenSteve wrote:
FMGreenSteve wrote:
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on point number 2 … Good point…You heard it here last i guess,lol,Strike theory form record lol
Comment 191, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
SAM and I watched the scene in the shack frame by frame on the DVR. We saw Jacob! He is visible after Ben is pushed back away from the chair!
Comment 192, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Where the hell are Rose and Bernard you ask?
- They are getting the water ski’s ready,Locke gonna jump the shark
Comment 193, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Will wrote:
Thank you, brotha! You have much support in that. =]
Comment 194, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
SpinPapi wrote:
+1
In fact, this very post could go bye-bye…
Comment 195, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Could Danielle be Anne and Alex is the daughter of she and Ben?
Comment 196, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i saw jacob! yah! thank u spinpapi! :)
Comment 197, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
the scene with locke in the grave shows a skull with what appears to be a bullet hole. these people were supposed to have been gassed. this body was added later! alex must know.
the weird thing no one has commented on is that ben’s mom died in childbirth and now all preggers ladies die. does his subconcious affect reality.
i agree that the ring is a form of prison. in the sandman comics by neil gaiman the entity representing dreams is captured and held in a ring of sand. i think ben didn’t want john f-ing around because jacob could bust loose. the sandman got out when someone broke the circle.
Comment 198, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Anyone else see a connection between Ben’s mothers death and the fertility experiments / obsession with pregnant women? Maybe Ben looking for answers
Comment 199, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
SO what does Jacob look like? I saw someone there too.
Comment 200, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone note the name of the man who recruited Ben’s Daddy? HORACE GOODSPEED? Seems like an anagram, not sure what for…can anyone help? Is my spelling correct?
Comment 201, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Re: Desmond; he is not reliving lives. The big bang from when he turned the key under the countdown station affected him on a quantum level. He is slightly out of phase with the fourth dimension. His primitive human mind is not capable of dealing with the probabilistic nature of reality at the quantum level, and as such he interprets his “flickering” back in forth around his current location in time as flashbacks/flashforwards.
Re: Jacob; in my tivo freezeframe whoever is playing Jacob looks like Kris Kristofferson. Also, he asked Locke for help. My interpretation is this: Ben has Jacob held prisoner within the circle. Jacob won’t willingly help him, as he is the guardian of the island’s secrets. However, Ben tortures information out of him from time to time, using it to control the Hostiles. The “conversation” he had with Jacob was totally one-sided, a performance for Locke’s benefit, both to test him (can Locke see/hear Jacob?) and to throw him off the trail by convincing him Ben is crazy.
When Locke uses the flashlight, that somehow gave Jacob enough power to perform a few poltergeist-like actions, briefly shift his image to Locke and to force Locke to hear his cry for help.
Comment 202, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
New here, but here’s my two cents…
1 – faith vs science is at play
2 – fathers and mothers are issues, i.e. all their bad fathers and some bad mothers, also the volcano as a womb
3 – the smoke tied in with the volcano?
4 – I did hear “help me”, does he need help to escape or want help to succeed where Ben has failed. I prefer the being trapped behind the ash – volcano idea.
5 – Rousseau will definitely be a big part next season
6 – Interesting about the numbers and the Valenzetti equation.
7 – This all makes me wonder of a “Heroes” kind of group. lmao. to save the world. We have a time traveller, a dr., a guy who can’t die, A vigilante woman loner, a soldier…
8 – Maybe they needed these so called heroes along with faith and science and mother earth, to save the world. Save the mother, save teh world.
9 – Finally, why do they keep getting rid of the African descended people? I.E. the lady in the early episodes that knew her husband was alive, Walt and his dad, Ecko, one of the other’s has disappeared…can anyone say race conspiracy? Sorry, kinda curious though..
If any of these thoughts or questions are repeats, sorry. I am new here.
Comment 203, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I posted this at the end of The Brig thread, didn’t realize you all were over here before TMBTC started. In response to the question of where are Rose, Bernard, etc. …This is my one complaint about LOST. Despite all of the wonderfulness, it struggles to rise above the network demographic marketing crap. Main characters are white-ish and 30-ish. Real airplanes doing international flights are full of many kinds of people and have plenty of 40, 50, 60+ year olds. It sometimes seems only the men can be archetypal heroes and the women are for sex and babies. On a positive note, Rousseau could be a heroine, Rose has healing powers somewhat like Locke’s…
Now for my post TMBTC comment – I was sure Annie was Danielle. But the questions about hair color and accent are good ones. How about this. Annie could have gotten pregnant, left the island on the submarine, lived in France where she delivered her baby Alex, then returned to the island with Alex and her accent. Maybe her red hair of childhood shifted to auburn in adulthood.
I stand by my smokey theory – he/it is collected darkness/emotional turmoil that takes on the form needed by the person looking (sort of like your dream images). A horse, a polar bear, your daddy, your mommy, your brother (Eko). These are only seen in the jungle where Smokey lives. Smokey was boxed, then released when Hurley used the numbers and “opened the box.” The only question is why did Sawyer also see Kate’s horse? But remember Sawyer also spoke in the voice of Kate’s dead father. And what is the connection between Smokey, the volcano, and Jacob? Did Smokey (and Alpert/hostiles/natives) get out when child Ben left the electric fence down? Did the Dharma people fence them in? Why?
Locke will return. Otherwise every major character fits the market demographic and I can’t believe our producers will sink that low. This show is way better than Friends.
Comment 204, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
What an awesome episode – I was really looking forward to specifically this episode because it was Ben-centric.
1) Naomi is not with the Others. It was more or less confirmed, as Mikhail ran back and told about it.
2) Ben carried a >>white rabbit
Comment 205, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
1- Anyone else notice when BabyBen was born, Dad hiked out to the highway… the sign said “Portland – 32 (miles)”. Not in Portland Easter Egg?
2- The screencap of Jacob is located at http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=283
guess what – Jacob is Magnus Hanso from 160 years ago.
(good to see all of the drama queens here are silent for now)
Comment 206, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
One more thought – maybe Michael and Walt know how to return to the island but need to know that they must do so. Maybe Walt will grow up and have the heroism to return. The producers and writers have great characters to work with who are not white and not 30. If they want the kind of market that the Sopranos has (way bigger than the white kids who loved Friends and the Seinfeld crowd who believed in an all-white NYC neighborhood) they need to work with the full potential of this story. I think they will.
Comment 207, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
As the comment guidelines state…
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*Be constructive, don’t complain about Lost unless you want to discuss your complaint.
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So, what specifically is it about Lost that you no longer care for?
Comment 208, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Just a theory here–
Maybe Jacob is the smoke monster. Everyone’s saying “ghost,” but think about it–the smoke monster manifests itself to different people as people from their past (a la Eko-Yemi), and when Ben saw his mother, he wasn’t seeing a ghost, he was seeing the smoke monster using his own thoughts about his mother to project an image of her. Maybe Jacob is another such projection of Smokey, but not visible to everyone.
I think this makes sense from what we’ve seen–since Jacob can apparently cause an entire house to shake and stuff. Wouldn’t this indicate to you that Jacob isn’t just a “person,” but actually a manifestation of something larger?
Unless he’s really a ghost, in which case, I’m having a little trouble willingly suspending my disbelief.
Comment 209, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
MasterPo wrote:
I don’t completely agree with this. Ben is a “Dharma survivor” also, no? If Mikhail was part of Dharma (which may not be the case), then presumably he was at the Flame station during the purge. The question is, how did Mikhail end up joining the Others?
MasterPo wrote:
I hate the JTS expression, but I’d have to agree it would be quite lame if everything is controlled by ghosts.
Comment 210, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Just to remember. Luke and Leia didn´t know they were brother and sister. Just like Jack and Claire.
Comment 211, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Juliette was already with the Others when she killed Pickett. She almost got kicked out of the Others (i.e., executed) for killing him.
Comment 212, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Cog, I agree, as you can read in my previous comments #142 (http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/the-man-behind-the-curtain#comment-57071) and #159 (http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/the-man-behind-the-curtain#comment-57090) …
Also, when you consider the way Smokey chased Juliet and Kate, and “scanned” Juliet, it makes sense that “he” was actively trying to harm Juliet, possibly as a result of the marking she was given after her trial.
There is still no explanation as to why Ben would “mark” Juliet, yet then use her as the mole – it gives the impression that the marking isn’t some sort of out-casting.
Comment 213, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Laura G wrote:
Deceased Poor Hog
Reached Good Pose
Escaped Good Hero
Gore Does Poached
Cheaper Does Good
Roaches Peed Good
Dogeared Cop Shoe
Comment 214, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
Hahahahaha. Anagram generators are so fun!
Comment 215, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
For some reason it ruined my post…
Ben carries a white rabbit through the fence when he sees his dead mother. The episode where Jack sees his dad is named “The White Rabbit.”
Comment 216, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Desmond once found a letter from Penelope inside a book from Charles Dickens (Our Mutual Friend). There is another book from Charles Dickens called “Christmas Carol” with a character called Jacob Marley´s Ghost.
Comment 217, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
It’s been several days, island time, since Locke pushed Mikhail into the fence. Ben seemed surprised to see him alive. Where has Mikhail been all this time, and what has he been doing?
On a recent podcast, D&C completely gave away the explanation for Mikhail’s survival, saying that the fence wasn’t turned up high enough. They even went sofar as to say Mikhail would throw out a line to explain how he survived. Not that this was a huge spoiler, but in hindsight it seems like some pretty detailed information for them to give away.
Comment 218, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Didn’t see this but I may be wrong.
Anyone see pic of the dog??
Cerberus anyone?
Jacob=Smokey=Pic of Dog in cabin=Cerberus
Comment 219, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Who says Locke is dead? Only shot, in the chest i know, but still talking. This is the island you know! People’s wounds heal miraculously. Locke is not dead! These guys are not dumb! Patchy survived didn’t he? Locke will be around for a long time
Comment 220, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Gorga wrote:
Comment 221, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Did this ep “Jump The Shark”? – NO. The “Man Behind The Curtain” landed well short of the shark, tripped/spilled over the shark, fell into the water and was immediately devoured by the shark. It would have been a fine filler episode early in season 3, but as a “get ready for the big finale” plotline, the deliver did not satisfy the hype that was heaped upon us. The writing was poor, the acting was poor, each question that was (supposedly) answered only raised three new questions in its’ place… three more seasons of 16 stories each. I say they bring back LOST in a 3×2-hour mini-series in the fall (Nov Sweeps), answer every question with no new questions, and call it quits there! (aka Stop the Insanity, ala the Fonz).
Comment 222, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
These are the problems with this series:
If you’re a white male over 40, you’re a drunk, abusive, deceitful, and deserve to be killed by a member of the younger generation. The exceptions: Charlie who joined this club at an early age, and Locke who is just gullible and stupid.
Which is probably better than being a member of a minority group or a person of color because then you just either don’t exist or will soon disapper.
This is first time I’ve followed a story where the vast majority of characters are psychologically disturbed and have murdered and will murder people. It’s as if they’re trying to outdo the Sopranos, but without the charm.
This is not a pleasant or very enlightening world to visit on a weekly basis. I think that over the 6-month break people will lose interest in the story, and then the producers will come back with even more gruesome plots just to attract attention again, just like the Sopranos are doing now.
The story is inscrutable. If they showed a coconut turning into a house cat you’ll see a hundred people coming up with theories on how this can happen. The show has no discernible boundaries. Forget about trying to guess what will happen next because there is no logic and anything goes, eg, Paulikki and the poison spiders. How many people thought that Jacob was a real person? Wrong, he’s an apparition. Harry Potter makes more sense.
You need an IQ of less than 50 to be intrigued by this show. That’s the writers target audience. There’s no scientific credibility at all. Oh yeah, the island can heal people, not all, just some.
The plot is so convoluted that no one can follow, or should follow, the entire arch of the story which is now littered with filler episodes with worthless plot elements.
Characters just come and go on the island. Now you see’um, then you don’t. The ones who stay either kill or get killed.
Convenient plot reversals. Patchy wasn’t killed because the fence was set on the mouth-foaming, blood outta-the-ears level, not deadly though. Locke believes in the number-punching routine, then he doesn’t. Ecko is a stick-wielding maniac, then he decides he has to build a church.
Comment 223, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree with those who said Locke will probably recover from the gunshot. He has been the biggest beneficiary from the island’s healing powers.
But…..if he were to die, it would be an interesting twist on the speculation that was going on last week after “The Brig”. Many people thought that Sawyer would die soon because he resolved his pre-crash issue of finding and killing the real Sawyer. But perhaps it is Locke who dies, because he resolved his issues with his father?
Again, I don’t think Locke will die – as others here have stated, I think he’s too important to the future direction of the show to be killed off.
But, you would think Ben would be aware of the island’s effect on Locke, and would realize that a single gunshot wouldn’t kill him. If he really wanted to kill Locke, it seems like he would have made certain of it, pumping him with a few more bullets, tossing his body in the water, or burying it, etc. Perhaps knowing this, Ben’s reason for shooting Locke was simply to get Locke to tell Ben what Jacob said.
Comment 224, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
pillarstone wrote:
actually, ben was the first in chronological order.
Comment 225, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Ok- I agree with everything you wrote about the Jacob? The Theory; however, this is my take….
What was written in Jacob? The Theory True…
Alpert doesn’t age. He manipulated Ben when he was a child and now as an adult. He told Ben he was the one with power and now Locke came along…
But
1) I think they are dead the LOSTIES….or they somehow found a blackhole in the universe that scientist can somehow visit and see the dead and study them.
2) I think this is all insane. And surprised no one has mentioned the episode with Hurley in the nut house. The flash to the scene where Hurley’s girl is in the nuthouse with him. I think this is a great story that only an insane person would come up with. At the end of this series we are going to find that Hurley imagined all of this and this plane crashed never occured…THese are stories the crazies are coming up with.
Whatever the case maybe. This show is an onion. You keep pulling the layers thinking you know something but you end up knowing nothing. I LOVE LOST!!
Comment 226, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Randall wrote:
Noone has ever come back from the dead on this show. D&C have stated that once a character dies, that character stays dead.
Comment 227, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
ToeKnee-I agree that if he wanted to kill Locke he would have finished him off. Not sure why he wouldn’t just do it though…..
Comment 228, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Anyone wondering how kid Ben got the passcode for the fence, and whether the numbers (54439) have any significance?
Comment 229, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
More:
ABC hypes each episode, and then doesn’t really reveal much at all. And stop with the podcasts, interviews with D&C, clues from TV Guide, etc. I don’t care anymore, just finish the story. And don’t have the people on the local news program talk about Lost because they think they’re hip or maybe they’re just told to do this.
There’s good Sci Fi, Fantasy, Horror, psychological drama, but this series doesn’t do any genre well. This long meandering epic is just borrowing from anything and everything, eg, Wizard of Oz, Lost Horizon, Eastern philosophy, Steven Hawking, Jules Verne, the Bible, Cheech & Chong. Then the loyal fan base thinks it’s onto something when they pick up these references. So what? Did you see the photo on the monk’s desk? As Rosie would say, “Eat me.”
Character churn is stepping up. You’ll see more main characters being killed than ever now that the season is ending. Get ready for another boatload of misfits to hit the island or maybe the natives will emerge from their underground lair.
Comment 230, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’ve enjoyed reading the posts for a few weeks now. A quick thought:
I don’t think Ben & hostiles killed all of the Dharma folks with the purge. Seems the folks in the hatches would have been saved. When Desmond crashes on the island he is taken in by someone from Dharma to live in the hatch. My assumption is Desmond crashes after the purge. I too think Mikhail is an original Dharma who lived because he was in one of the hatches at the time of the gasing. Perhaps there were others who survived too.
Comment 231, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone know who the other people who “chose the right side” were/are?
How many people are the un-aging hostiles or is it just Richard (and I agree that it’s not eyeliner – those are just his eyelashes)?
Also, am I the only one who isn’t convinced that “Jacob” exists? I read through the posts but I’m sure I missed some. Locke’s back was turned to Ben when he heard the voice. And I think it was volcanic ash. The house was on the side of the volcano?
Comment 232, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
BongHitz – I’m sorry you’re not happy with the show. Try writing a letter to ABC; whining here isn’t going to change anything. The podcasts, etc… aren’t for you only, they are for the world to enjoy. If you don’t like them, stop listening to them, stop reading articles, stop reading this blog, stop watching the show, etc…
Obviously you still care about the show, otherwise you wouldn’t be here right now.
Hope – Good comment. That’s a good explanation for how some of the Dharma’s survived.
Comment 233, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I haven’t commented in awhile. The blog is getting a little out of control so I stayed away for awhile. Hopefully, we can get back to throwing out ideas and observations and cease with the “I said it first I said it first!”.
Just a few thoughts on my part:
Not only did they show a flash of Jacob sitting in the chair – I’m looking at my screen capture of a sillouette of a man with longe hair – the next flash was a close up of an eye and it is not Locke’s or Ben’s. Someone said he looks like Kris Kristofferson – yes he does, even the small nose. I’d love to see if he plays him.
The voice was very clear to me and it was not Desmond as someone proposed. No lovely accent.
The skeleton they showed a close-up of in the pit had a bullet hole in the skull and no name embroidered on the jumpsuit. Is Ben still lying about what went down or was this body added later?
Richard certainly isn’t aging. Strange that a “native” would have a gun and holster way before the takeover. He was also very interested & pleased that Ben could see his mother. Is that why the hostiles are letting him lead and is that why they are looking for others who can see – because they can’t? Are children more sensitive?
Was the flashlight that prompted Jacob’s tantrum or was he trying to stop John from telling Ben what he said?
Comment 234, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I wrote in the “ORIGINAL #221″.
By: SnappyPappy
Today, May 10, 2007, 1 hour ago | SnappyPappy
Did this ep “Jump The Shark”? – NO. The “Man Behind The Curtain” landed well short of the shark, tripped/spilled over the shark, fell into the water and was immediately devoured by the shark. It would have been a fine filler episode early in season 3, but as a “get ready for the big finale” plotline, the deliver did not satisfy the hype that was heaped upon us. The writing was poor, the acting was poor, each question that was (supposedly) answered only raised three new questions in its’ place… three more seasons of 16 stories each. I say they bring back LOST in a 3×2-hour mini-series in the fall (Nov Sweeps), answer every question with no new questions, and call it quits there! (aka Stop the Insanity, ala the Fonz).
I followed the rule – Be constructive, don’t complain about Lost unless you want to discuss your complaint.
I want to discuss my complaint.
ps: I am thee last one to defend BongHitz, but it seems like BH4S might want want to discuss the shortfall of ‘TMBTC’ too.
Comment 235, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
LostNewbie wrote:
When he and his father were registering, the video playing explained the fence and told them they would get a code to disarm it. A new code each day. I don’t think it was a secret amond the Dharmites. His day was a “work man” running errands all around the island so he probably got it off his dad.
Comment 236, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
birdwatcher wrote:
It’s possible there is no Jacob. Perhaps Ben used telekinesis caused all of the things to get thrown around the room, windows to break, etc. And perhaps this is related to his dislike of the book Carrie?
Comment 237, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Sorry about all my little typos above. I think you get what I was saying though.
Comment 238, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Possibly and good point, but who was in the chair? What exactly is sensitive to light? Not vampires right? LOL
Comment 239, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
SnappyPappy wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree with BH4S and SP’s criticisms of the show, but as long as they are presenting their thoughts in a somewhat civil manner I see no reason why they should be prohibited from making such posts. And I think they are both willing to discuss their complaints, as the rule says.
Comment 240, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Watching on TV last night, I thought the same thing – that Ben somehow threw all that around. It is still possible that it was him and not Jacob but, there is the visual of a man sitting in the chair. I did not catch the man in the chair until I rewatched this morning on my computer.
Comment 241, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Those are good points too. And, if Ben orchestrated that whole thing in the shack, why was he so determined to find out what Jacob said to Locke? That’s the problem with so many of the theories we come up with, you can poke holes in just about all of them. Then again, that’s what makes the show so intriguing, IMHO.
Comment 242, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Sorry Tasha, I didn’t see your last sentence there. I basically repeated exactly what you said.
Comment 243, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
So many topics/questions, aaah. I couldn’t sleep afterwards.
Too many comments to remember, so
Ben & Locke-OMG, Ben was so screwed up. However, he was very threatened by Locke and I believe that he shot Locke out of jealously and the fact that Locke might be more powerful than him and surpass him. I don’t think Ben could hear Jacob at all, and remember we didn’t see the poltergeist-like activity til Locke used the flashlight. My hunch is that Ben maybe can see Jacob but Jacob chooses not to talk to Ben, and when Ben realized that Jacob spoke to Locke, that enraged him and he planned to add Locke to the body pile. Locke, I don’t think he is for sure dead, and if he is, the writers will make sure there are ghostly Locke connections to the other chars. As far as Ben’s birthplace, I saw the sign too that said Portland, only one I know is Oregon? (The area was woodsy)
Powder- At first I thought the powder was gunpowder and made the connection to Danielle, but since Ben wasn’t phased by it, it could be the magical volcanic ash of the island to keep Jacob under wraps.
Naomi-darn, my theory was shot to heck. But now we know she is indeed not an Other, but someone there to save Des/them.
Jack/Juliette-”I guess we have some catching up to do.” Seems like they aren’t on board with the others either, or at least Jack wasn’t.
I love this show and the great comments on here.
Annie- I think we might see her later or a ghost of her, ha J/K
Comment 244, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
anita wrote:
Portland Maine too, semi-woodsy in Maine and very coastal.
Comment 245, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I wonder if Horace Goodspeed dosn’t need to Anagramed to get the meaning:
Horace: derivative of Latin meaning “Keeper of the Hours” also perhaps a reference to the Egyptian God, Horus
Goodspeed: perhaps meant to refer to “godspeed” what people would say to each other for traveling mercy and protection.
So maybe part of his job was to protect the secrets of time shifts on the island?
Comment 246, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
Good work Tina.
Comment 247, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I have watched every single episode, most more than once. I’ve read Evil Twin and tried to correlate it with LostPedia. I’ve viewed the completed video produced by the Lost Experience about Rachel Blake.
I posted these comments to hear what others, not Others, think.
If D&C or their assistants read the blogs, they’ll get the message. They did cut short the Paulikki storyline based on viewers’ opinion of them.
This is how the Web is supposed to provide feedback on the mainstream media which traditionally ignored viewers’ feelings unless there was an overwhelming letter writing campaign. I can’t remember when I last wrote a letter, BTW.
Plus, I would think if this blog gets recognized as providing insightful criticism, the producers of Lost will look at it more often.
That’s why I think it’s not too useful to try to guess what’s going to happen on episodes that are already written and filmed. For instance, I didn’t see how you could guess who Jacob was, based on anything that has happened already, and it turned out to be a surprise that no one anticipated. Maybe the writers are doing this on purpose, but I don’t see how this serves the overall story.
There were a lot of shocking surprises in the first two seasons that eventually didn’t matter at all: Ana Lucia, Libby, Michael, Walt, but the worst being the Paulikki fiasco of this season.
It’s gotten to the point where even the blogs that post the spoilers can’t figure out what’s happening.
Comment 248, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
bryan wrote:
I feel that if it were purgatory, how would people come and go off island? You wouldn’t be able to come an go from purgatory.
Comment 249, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
In regards to the whereabouts of Rose and Bernard; with all the talk of time travel and alternate universes, could it be that they are living back at the cave in current “Lost time” and will turn out to be the couple whose skeletons are found there in Season 1? Could be a bit of a sretch but wanted to throw it out there.
Comment 250, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hey…just a thought, remember last season when we saw “manifestations of Walt” he was always wet, soaking wet… Well… Did anyone notice Ben’s mom, she seemed “Wet” When she turns around her hair seemed very wet. Any thoughts on That? I definately see a “Smokey connection, however how do you explain Ben seeing his mom at Dharma Camp. The “Security” Barrier is suppose to keep “wildlife” out, Juliette said so too in DOC. So hum… Any thoughts anyone??? My brain hurts… :)
Comment 251, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bong -
It may not be useful to try to guess and puzzle out things but we enjoy it.
There is nothing wrong with posting your views and feedback to the writers but maybe Will can create another thread for that. The threads for the episodes are getting too crowded with off topic opinions and catfighting about who said what when and what’s a spoiler etc etc.
Comment 252, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Steven wrote:
Hi Everyone, who is Kelvin?
Comment 253, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bong -
It may not be useful to try to guess and puzzle out things but we enjoy it.
There is nothing wrong with posting your views and feedback to the writers but maybe Will can create another thread for that. The threads for the episodes are getting too crowded with off topic opinions and bickering back & forth.
Comment 254, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Sorry that got posted twice but my first try was blocked saying I had already said that – that is why I edited and reposted.
Comment 255, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Cari wrote:
Kelvin was the man in the station with the button. He took Desmond in when he landed on the island and got him to continue pressing the button while he tried to fix and sail off with Desmond’s sailboat. Desmond killed him. He was also in a flashback as military personnel (I think one of Sayid’s flashbacks).
Comment 256, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
BTW Desmond killed him accidentally.
Comment 257, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Cari wrote:
Kelvin is the man who was pushing the button when Dez arrived. Look him up on Lostpedia.com for more info.
Comment 258, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
No one else commenting on the fact that Alex gave Locke a gun. It seems to me that the only possible explanation of this would be that someone in the past has gone to see Jacob and has been killed. Then the question would be whether it was Ben who actually killed the previous people to visit Jacob or it was actually Jacob who has killed people in the past – Ben must tell the Others that Jacob is the one who killed whoever it was that went to see Jacob.
Or, less likely, Alex knew Ben would try to kill Locke (presumably before they got to Jacob’s abode, maybe Alex knew this because it was Ben’s birthday (she said happy birthday to him).
Comment 259, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
samsandrasan wrote:
OK, D&C said that in this episode you’d get to see who Jacob is. Well, who is he?
Comment 260, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I googled the numbers and letters on the label that was on the can of stuff that Ben released in the van with his Dad and what came up was an article about “Cretaceous carbonaceous rocks from the Norfolk Ridge system,
Southwest Pacific: implications for regional petroleum potential”. The article was published out of New Zealand. It is way scientific and since I was a political science major and not a geology major, I’m not going ot attempt to decipher it.
Just more info.
Comment 261, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17-
I posted about that earlier….Glad you brought it up again because I didn’t get a response. Another person in the Dharma pit had a bullet hole. Maybe Ben HAS done this before. Either way, Alex knew Locke needed a gun.
Was the gun Ben used Locke’s? Did he get that during the episode at the cabin? Was Locke pulling out a knife or did someone point that out already?
Comment 262, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17 wrote:
Has anyone thought that she actually brought the gun for Ben? He did end up getting it after all. Maybe the “Happy Birthday Dad” wasn’t just sarcasm. Maybe Ben isn’t the only one who can be sneaky. She may not like her dad but what would happen to her if Ben was no longer in charge or killed? I wouldn’t want to be left alone with the natives.
Comment 263, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think Jacob is Alvar Hanso. Here’s why: Way back in the Season 2 episode, “The Hunting Party,” Mr. Friendly (when drawing the line that was not to be crossed) told Jack and the 815′ers that “somebody a whole lot smarter than anybody here”, said that “from the dawn of our species man’s been blessed with curiosity.” This “somebody” must be Jacob, and we know for certain from the Lost Experience that these words were spoken by Alvar Hanso to the U.N. Security Council in 1967.
The photo even looks like him. I’ll admit, there is a Lock resemblance too, but Alvar Hanso has got the chin beard perfectly. See http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso
Plus, that is not a wig, hood, or real hair on his head. It’s Joop. http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Joop
I’m not sure why Hanso would ask Locke to “help me” though. I’m not sure that there is a way we could possibly know yet.
Comment 264, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Two other Things I noticed:
1.The woman in the car with Horace when Ben was born was Olivia, the teacher in his classroom when he was older.
2. The freeze frame of “jacob” looks like an elderly man in period clothes with long hair and a beard, definitely blonde.
PS: Anyone think that Alex gave Locke the gun because she new her Dad would need it? A little conwoman in training?
Comment 265, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Something is seriously wrong with timing. I hope this is not an error by the writers. It was ben’s birthday on last night’s episode which means it was December 22.
When ben was born in woods, obviously it must’ve been December 22. But when ben’s parents come out of woods, there is a sign saying Portland. How could they be in summer weather in December in PORTLAND? Even the couple that stopped to help them were in a convertible!!!! What is going on?
Comment 266, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Locke definately pulled out a knife when Ben pulled the gun on him.
Comment 267, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone notice that Locke’s mom and Ben’s mom were both named Emily?
Maybe someone said that already. It’s getting crowded now.
Comment 268, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Kevin wrote:
Good point! I remember reading on Lostpedia that Alvar Hanso’s doctor wrote him a letter telling him that she found something seriously wrong with his blood work right before he disappeared. I wonder if his current state of expistence (temporal shifting, degenerative invisibility,etc) is what she was referring too. Maybe when he disappeared he went to the island and realized what had happened to his initiative, was captured by the Hostiles and Ben and forced into that little cabin for safe keeping. Maybe he powers the island or something like that. Maybe he’s being used as a human battery and that’s why he asked Locke for help because the Hostiles weren’t using what he was giving appropriately….
my brain hurts.
Comment 269, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobbi wrote:
There are other Portlands, at least in Tennessee, Michigan, and Texas, maybe more. Apparently Portland is Lost’s version of Springfield (a la the Simpsons).
Comment 270, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow trying to keep up with the posts…264+ only about 40% contributing to the site.
Here is my 2 cents contribution:
1) Ben knew Jacob would manifest if technology was around him thus when Lock used the flashlight *POOF* Jacob appears… Jacob is the human manifestation of Joop leader of the apes trying to run the Island using smokey and the whispers, but Ben has defected from Dharma to the hostiles (descendants of the Black Rock).(anyone else here the whispers last night?) *try and keep up with the mythology.
2) Locke is “dead” but on this island that really means he is crossing over to the underground subterranean island leaders. *Note= You will begin to hear Lockes voice in the whispers.
PS. For you wondering about Benard and Rose, they found some smooth stones 1 black and 1 white and they are taking a nap in a cave….shocker! Sorry to be the spoiler but the writings on the wall…just read it.
Comment 271, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Samsandrasan,
Are you sure Locke was pulling out a knife? When did Ben take Locke’s gun? I thought Locke was reaching for the gun he got from Alex but Ben had another gun.
Awesome possible idea about the skull in the pit with the bullet in its head. That could actually fit either theory mentioned by this board: either Ben has shot other people on his own in the past when going to visit Jacob (and blamed it on Jacob, hence Alex thinking Locke could use a gun”) OR (IMO less likely) maybe Alex has done this in the past (giving the person going with Ben a gun and then Ben uses it and Alex is in on it)
***This has been brought up on another board. They think it looks like Jacob has something on his shoulder, possibly a monkey!
Comment 272, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
LostDamery
Is that last PS. a spoiler? If it is, what the hell are you doing? If that is true it gives too much away IMO.
Comment 273, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
BongHitz4Sawyer wrote:
You are right that we still don’t know that who exactly Jacob is but atleast we got to see him and see that he is not just a figment of Ben’s imagination (unless Ben can project images of people).
On another note. Jacob’s clothes remind me of Richard’s when Ben first ran into him in the forest. I think he has more to do with the natives than with Ben.
And just to throw this out there: the picture of the blonde woman in Ben’s house was on the wall in his dad’s house – fair to assume it is of his mother. There was also a picture of a cabin deep in the forest in Ben’s house. I am assuming it is of Jacob’s cabin. Maybe not alot of significance but interesting.
Comment 274, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
More Q’s – We saw Ben gas his dad Roger Linus and we assume Alpert helped gas Horace Goodspeed in the barracks – Did we see Annie (Ben’s young girlfriend) or Olivia (Goodspeed?) dead after the purge? We saw some dead ladies, if we did not see Annie or Olivia, were they protected by/from the hostiles or maybe they died during pregnancies before the purge?
Comment 275, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Locke pulled out a knife and dropped it when he got shot.
For those who are still wondering if he pulled out a gun……
Comment 276, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
http://www.losteastereggs.blogspot.com has great screencaps of Jacob, as well as recordings of him saying “help me”.
Comment 277, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17 wrote:
Well to be honest it is my uninformed FANasized guess at what all the pieces are and mean up to what I have seen so far…sorry to be a spoiler spoiler…er
Comment 278, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
1 – Alex. To begin, Alex hates her ‘Daddy’s’ guts and has been mostly uncooperative towards him since Day 1. Why would she help him kill Locke? I think she was trying to protect Locke. She knows what Ben is capable of. Apparently he likes to kill on his birthday. And Rousseau must Alex’s mother, but Alex was stolen after birth like any other child on the island by Ben. And, hasn’t she been stranded on the island at least 15 years? If Alex truly believes that Ben is her dad, then the Dharma purge and Ben’s kidnapping must have happened around 15 years ago. That’s a long time!
2 – Jacob and Locke. That’s beside the point because I believe John is still alive, and this ‘near-death’ experience is going to bring him closer to the island (& Jacob). Ben is jealous because he has something Ben never had much of – real faith. I believe that at one time Jacob did speak to Ben, but Ben lost faith and therefore rejected Jacob – the idea of Jacob and the smoke monster being one and the same intrigues me. The monster has a definite sense of justice and a persona that is unusual yet very human, omniscient (all-seeing) and yet vulnerable. The sonic fence and other things (like perhaps volcanic ash) hinder him.
3 – Who’s In Control? I still think that genuine, friendly, age-defying Alpert is in control, not Ben. Ben is more than a few fries short of a happy meal if you ask me. I think he’s having the wool pulled over his eyes on many fronts with everyone he thought he could trust. Evidence? Juliet’s work with the Losties, everyone allowing Locke to pound on Mikail against Ben’s will, Jacob’s request to Locke and silence to Ben, Alex’s continued hostility and disobedience to him, and Alpert’s aiding Locke to kill his father. There is a rebellion going on within the Others, and I believe the book club meeting without Ben the day of the Oceanic Flight 815 crash confirms it. Sorry to got back there, but it’s true!
4 – Dead Dads. The whole thing about dads dying gets me going: Sawyer’s dad killed by Locke’s dad (who Locke and Sawyer conspire to kill and succeed), Jack’s dad dead in the coffin but Jack seeing him around, Kate kills her step-dad (why isn’t she wanted by the Others then?), Ben killing his dad; is there a theme here, or what? Either that, or the writers have some serious issues with their parents… with that being said, I think Alex is going to kill her dad (Ben) at some point in the story.
5 – The War. I want to know how long the two (Dharma and Hostiles) were on the island before the conflict began? The infrastructure Dharma created is impressive to say the least. And the guys that Desmond replaced when he arrived to push the button – they seemed to be original Dharma employees also who were abandoned after the purge.
Sorry to write so much. I’ve been reading for a while and just haven’t commented until now.
Comment 279, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17 wrote:
When he first pulls it out you can see the shape of the knife. I tried to do a screen cap but it is too fast. Yes, I am assuming a bit that it is Locke’s gun Ben has because I did not see him take it but I stick with that assumption. Alex wasn’t convincing to me even at the time she was giving Locke the gun – it seemed she was giving Ben a wink and a nod with the Happy Bday comment.
I don’t know where they are getting the monkey. The figure was back lit so all you see is some rim lighting on the man. Maybe it is his long hair flipping up in the back that makes them think there is something else there. Nothing on the lit right shoulder and his left shoulder is completely in the dark.
Also, the eye close-up I mentioned earlier is of a brown eye. Locke and Ben are blue-eyed.
Comment 280, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17 wrote:
oh yeah I have another cent for the pot:
I wonder if Jacob is a pirate from the black rock and is in an undead state, thus the monkey…?
Yeah or Nay?
Comment 281, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
LostDamery
Sorry, I did not recall that they found 1 white and 1 black stone in the cave. If so, that would make perfect sense.
But then that would mean there is DEFNITELY some sort of time traveling aspect to what is going on, wouldn’t it? Do you remember in which episode they find the stones?
Comment 282, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Good catch on the flashlight/tech. bit.
Seems like Ben was once again happy to see that Locke wasn’t as special as everyone thought until the flashlight came out.
Now Ben knows for sure that Locke is special because wasn’t able to hear Jacob talk to Ben. His insistence to find out what Jacob said is important because Ben has been losing his control of island. He wasn’t cured by the island and the others can see that Locke must be the replacement. The others (I think) are organizing a rebellion since Jacob/Ben are no longer doing “wonderful” things. Which has me wondering again, how long has Jacob needed help. Has Ben’s Daddy issues and special abilities turned him into a power hungry villan? Maybe Alpert originally thought Ben’s special abilities would be good for the island, but now Ben is ruining it.
Comment 283, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17 wrote:
season one Brutha… when they find the caves the first time away from the beach… catch up with your lost mythology!
Comment 284, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Just some other thoughts.
Ben could be on a mission to prove to himself once and for all that his presence doesn’t kill pregnant women (like he ‘killed’ his mom). Is that why the fertility and pregnancy experiments?
And what about the dark-skinned woman who was taking blood from Walt, Michael, and caring for the other kids and seemed in control of the other Other’s camp way back? Are the kids held by the hostiles, the natives, who can walk silently across the island unlike Ben’s crew? The volcano, the native hostiles, and a number of questions are making me want more, that’s for sure!
Comment 285, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Damery
I had the same idea as you (posted on another board) about the possibility that Jacob was some sort of pirate from the Black Rock ship.
Sam – they posted a screencap and it did almost look like there was something on his left shoulder.
Kevin- were you being serious about it possibly being Joop?
Comment 286, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I really don’t know if Locke’s dead or alive, so I’ll go ahead & give my reasons for both.
WHY HE”S DEAD:
1) he was shot in the chest
2) Ethan, Shannon, Ana Lucia, & Libby were all shot & remained dead.
3) He’s in a mass grave & usually once u’re in the grave u ain’t comin back.
4) It was time for him to go.
5) Sawyer & Sayid have been shot in the arms, not the chest. Not to mention they’re a little younger.
WHY HE”S STILL ALIVE:
1) He’s Locke!
2) I don’t want him to be dead.
3) He could’ve still been breathing.
4) It’s just a gun shot. Sawyer & Sayid have both been shot & lived.
5) IT”S LOCKE!
Comment 287, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
We don’t know for sure if she was actually gonna get killed for that. Ben could’ve told her she had to kill Picket to bcum an official other or something like that. In order to get sympathy from Jack they had to pretend that she was in trouble. I think it was a con – a con! The others would never do that! ;)
Ben was with the Others for 20 years or so before he was officially an Other. Julliette could’ve been with them for 3 years b4 she’s officially an Other. Doesn’t seem so far outa the picture now, does it?
During the 20 years that Ben was patient he was earnin the Hostiles trust. Juliet has been earning there trust for 3 years.
And would it make sense to u at all that after she has supposedly been “outcasted” that she would be chosen 2 b a mole?
Comment 288, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
It was already dark when Ben and Locke left Jacob’s place. The next time we see them they’re walking through the jungle to the mass Dharma grave. My questiion is this: Where did they spend the night? Did they sleep side by side? Hmm? Although not hand-cuffed, this reminds me of Kate and Juliet… just curious about that, maybe it was left out in editing. Any thoughts?
Comment 289, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
LostDamery wrote:
the jacob screen cap in the flashlight/cabin scene is a pic of magnus hanso – of black rock fame.
Comment 290, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
This episode was like eating an oversized piece of really rich chocolate cake. Too much.
Either a pivotal point with lot of fodder to work out plot points well, or we have Jumped the Shark as others have suspected.
Bothered me for awhile–the big season 1 hoopla over Walt. Then nothing tying up that storyline. Now I think Ben kidnapped Walt to get an upperhand over Jacob, the telepath. And maybe he did with Walt, and that’s why Jacob (whoever or whatever he is) needs help now, AND why he let Walt go. Why else would we have the whole Walt thing, and then no need for him? Ben used and discarded him.
Comment 291, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Question about the purge. Ben put on the gas mask and opened the canister in a confined space (the VW).
How did the hostiles kill all of Dharma out in the open? Everybody dropped dead…one guy was holding a hose that was still running.
This doesn’t make sense to me.
Comment 292, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Enik wrote:
I would bet it was left out in editing. They had so much to tell us in only one hour. That is likley how Ben got the gun.
Comment 293, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
One mystery I want solved – remember the volcano lab test. Olivia started the reaction, then the room shaked, then again, and again. We all thought, wow, what a coincidence that the real volcano started shaking right then (or they were just having a an earthquake). Teacher says get in your positions – we think, hey – standard duck & cover earthquake/atom bomb drill. The teacher has a rifle, a the Dharmites outside start running for the perimeter with their rifles. SO – not an earthquake! What on the island makes the ground shake so. (Polar Bears, smokie, T4TS?)
Comment 294, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Seemed to me like explosions, maybe dynamite or something. The effects seemed like battleground stuff to me.
Comment 295, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17 wrote:
I looked at their screenshot – it is much sharper than mine. Still, all I see are shadows and his hair catching the light. They cut off the right side so you don’t see the outline of his hair in back. I think their cropping leaves alot to the imagination – literally
Comment 296, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I agree. When watching it, I couldn’t help but think of Virginia Tech. I wonder if there were any second thoughts about guns in a classroom with chained doors.
Comment 297, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I have a question about Jacob being Magnus: Why would a man who ran slave ships be considered a “Great Man”?
Comment 298, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17 wrote:
I was serious about Joop. I think there is a facial outline in the “hair” just to the right of the shadowed face. Joop was the major breakthrough of the Hanso Foundation’s Life Extension Project — which raises a very interesting connection with all of the hints the episode dropped regarding Richard Alpert not aging. I’m not saying I have any idea where this is going if I’m right . . . but it seems like an avenue worth thinking about.
Comment 299, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
samsandrasan wrote:
Also, why wouldn’t he just call himself Magnus, why the name change?
Comment 300, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Comment 301, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Thank-you, Avalanche! I have been reading through all the posts to see if anyone mentioned this!!! Didn’t want to repeat something already said. I think Ben has made it happen… Like he’s punishing the women and babies for the guilt he was made to feel by his dad, maybe? Might be intentional, might not…
“the weird thing no one has commented on is that ben’s mom died in childbirth and now all preggers ladies die. does his subconcious affect reality.”
I love this show, but it makes me crazy! My husband says I was talking about it in my sleep half the night. I even said, “I am Dharma!”
Comment 302, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
More on Joop . . .
The following is from: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Joop
“Joop, who is also referred to as “experimental subject 626,” was originally “harvested by British explorers in the early 1900s.” On September 21, 2005, Joop celebrated his 105th birthday, which was called a milestone in the Life Extension Project by the Hanso Foundation.”
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“Harvested by British explorers”??? Such as, say, British explorers travelling on a certain 18th Century slave ship called the Black Rock, with a homeport of Portsmouth, England, which just happened to be captained by one Magnus Hanso?? I see a lot of connections here… perhaps Jacob is Magnus, not Alvar . . .
Comment 303, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Why doesn’t Richard age? The island didn’t keep the Dharmites from aging. Is he really human?
Comment 304, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
samsandrasan wrote:
I have always thought that both Richard Alpert and Ethan are NOT human. So far, they are the ONLY two people whom we have seen both on, and off, the island. If time does indeed move more slowly or quickly on the island than in the outside world, perhaps this is why only Ethan and Richard and come and go as the please- since they are resistant to the time shift.
Comment 305, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Laura G wrote:
definitely think you are onto something, trying to figure it out. Perhaps….
he cooper’s dad ego? LOL, just trying to make something out of it.
Comment 306, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I quite like the idea above that Annie is Rousseau. I didn’t think the little girl’s hair was red at all it was brown (and Rousseau’s clearly not seen a bottle of shampoo in a good while, so who knows), and how hard is it to fake an accent!?
The only thing that makes me doubt it is Rousseau trapping Ben in her net and handing him over to the Lost camp – she could’ve kicked his ass herself if she wanted to – so maybe it was a set up?
Comment 307, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Just a thought. The skull with the bullet hole could be Danielle’s husband/crew? She said she shot some of them when they got sick.
Comment 308, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Thank-you, Avalanche! I have read through nearly 200 posts to see if anyone mentioned this!!! (Didn’t want to repeat something already said.) I think Ben has made it happen… Like he’s punishing the women and babies for the guilt he was made to feel by his dad, maybe? Might be intentional, might not…
“the weird thing no one has commented on is that ben’s mom died in childbirth and now all preggers ladies die. does his subconcious affect reality.”
I love this show, but it makes me crazy! My husband says I was talking about it in my sleep half the night. I even said, “I am Dharma!”
Comment 309, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Not sure why my comment came up twice. The first time I tried to post it I got a server error, so I tried again. Sorry! Definitely don’t want to be redundant.
Comment 310, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
YO!!! I GOT SOMETHING BIGGGG!!!
everyone check this out. i took the screencap of JACOB from lostpedia…enhanced it…and then digitally got rid of his crazy hair.
[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4442/jacobenhancementnp9.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4442/jacobenhancementnp9.jpg
now……
tell me that doesn’t look like locke. the wrinkles on the forehead are exactly the same, the nose is locke’s nose and then there’s that same pronounced chin of his. the only real difference is that it appears that “JACOB” has a little more facial hair – but to me that doesn’t really mean anything at all.
now, i’m not saying this makes sense, and i know that there will be a TON of people who disagree – but entertain the thought for a second. what could the implications be? isn’t it an interesting thought for locke to be telling himself “help me”?
let’s formulate this a little bit…can anyone make sense of how locke and jacob could be the same person? or how jacob is an older, different version of locke?
and lastly, about the powder surrounding jacob’s little hut: i don’t believe that it was meant to keep jacob in. it’s interesting to think that he IS smokie, but why would he de-manifest himself as the smoke moster by leaving the particles in a circle or a line in front of his cabin. that doesn’t seem to make sense.
here are a few things the others have said about jacob in the past…let’s keep these in mind as well.
- He was first mentioned by name by Danny Pickett in “I Do”. According to Danny, Jack “wasn’t even on Jacob’s list.”
- In “Maternity Leave”, Tom said “You know what he’ll do when he finds out,” implying that “he” is above both Tom and Ethan Rom in the Others’ hierarchy.
- Ben states in “Dave”, “If I tell you about them, you don’t know what he’ll do!” and when threatened by Sayid, says “He’ll kill me!” to which Sayid responds, “I’ll kill you!”. Since Ben still doesn’t give an answer, it most likely means that he would rather die than disappoint “him”.
- Ben also says that “the man with the beard” is “no one”, implying that “he” is much higher in the Others’ hierarchy.
- In “Two for the Road”, he says that “he” is “a great man, a brilliant man, but not a forgiving man,” and would kill him for failing his mission.
- He was mentioned in “Par Avion” by Mikhail Bakunin, who said, “The man who brought me here, who brought all of my people here—He is a magnificent man.”
now….what about my screencap!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!
Comment 311, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Maybe the Black Rock was a ship was looking for or accidentaly stumbling upon Mu (the mythological island of the Aztecs and Mayas- kind of a South American Atlantis). According to mythology, there was a “magical” water spring that could grant one a long life. When Ben first ran into Alpert I thought he was dressed like a 19th century pirate. Maybe Jacob, Alpert and co. came from the Black Rock and conquered the original four-toed inhabitants. (Alpert could have been the cabin boy :-)).
As far as them following Ben- maybe it was Ben that taught them how to use modern technology, weapons, supplied them with gas masks, gas, gave them codes to take down the fense, etc. There was at least twenty years b/w his first encounter with Alpert and the attack on the Dharma people. That is more then enough time for Ben to become the Mole inside Dharma- the one to lead the Hostiles to victory.
Comment 312, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I think you answered your own question. You change your name because aren’t such a great man (you run a slave ship).
Plus, Jacob sounds more “religious” to those that happen onto the island in the dozen decades you’ve been there – since you discovered the “fountain of youth”.
Comment 313, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
BoingHitz4Sawyer… If you hate this show so much, what are you doing here? If you don’t have anything nice to say, go say it somewhere else, please.
Comment 314, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
LostNewbie wrote:
His dad must’ve needed the code since he had to drive around on the island, so he probably just stole it from him.
Comment 315, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
NATE wrote:
Comment 316, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Well one thing is for sure, we now know that Ben does not always tell the truth, which goes back to Juliet’s sister having cancer. Did she really get it again and Jacob cured her or was it a hoax? Did we really see her sister in live time or was it filmed beforehand? Now knowing Ben is a liar, it makes things more questionable. When Ben and his dad were brought to the
island, were they drugged too? I would think with the attitude his dad had, he would a been a little upset to have been drugged.
Also, Jacob is mentioned alot with the words,
“God loves you, like he loved Jacob.”
Does that mean God doesn’t love Jacob anymore? Did something happen?
Wow my mind is whirling now!
Comment 317, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
NATE wrote:
That’s great work. But, I have to tell you, I think Jacob’s nose is noticeably different than Locke’s. Locke’s is a bit longer and sort of pointed at the end. Also, Jacob’s nose seems to have a slight indentation just before the end of it, and Locke doesn’t have this. Sorry, dude.
Comment 318, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
And if that is Jacob’s eye, it isn’t Locke’s.
Comment 319, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
NATE wrote:
Nate, if you’re not going to give credit to where you copy/paste info, then it’s nothing but plagiarism.
For reference, the bulk of Nate’s comment is word-for-word from lostpedia:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob
Comment 320, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
nahhh….
i knew people would get hung up on the nose. i almost defended that in the first post but i didn’t hoping no one would bring it up.
i am a photographer, full time, and my wife and i own our own studio. light changes EVERYTHING when dealing with any type of capture – photo or video. i agree that the nose looks “different”. it’s because the light is different.
this type of lighting (from behind, above and to the left in this case) is done for the specific reason of being dramatic and especially in this case to distort features. i believe the nose IS the same. this is only my opinion of course, but it is educated.
it’s locke.
Comment 321, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I am new to this. Just caught up with the show via dvd’s. Maybe this is an old discussion. What is the significance of the blue eyed people having two different shades? Right eye dark blue, left eye pale blue? Ben, Claire, Jack, Juliet, Charlie.
Love the show, loved last night’s episode and love the blog
Comment 322, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’ll give you it could be Locke, but I’m not convinced. I also thought the nose was different.
If it is the case though, I’m going to guess that that wasn’t Locke, but rather Jacob being played by Terry O’Quinn. We could be having him play dual roles.
I’d also like to reitterate that we are jumping the gun by calling the guy young Ben met in the woods “Richard Alpert”. At no time was he called Richard or Alpert.
Patchy looked dead, but no one verified it.
Locke looks dead, but as of right now he’s “only” dying.
The hostile leader looks like Alpert, but no one has identified him yet.
These are the things we can’t jump to conclusions on.
Comment 323, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
So if Jacob is Locke, then Locke told Locke “help me”? Was there something in Ben’s conv. with Jacob that would make you think that Jacob was aknowledging that he was seeing himself?
Comment 324, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lol…dang mister awesome-dude-fm-stevey-homie-green man. chillax.
it’s my bad on not referencing lostpedia, i totally should have but i just forgot. it’s cool though…even though you flipped out on me i still forgive you, lol. dang.
anyway…that’s not plagiarism either. this conversation’s over because you’re wrong and i’m ignoring you now for being so awesomely freak-out-ish.
next time just mention it to me and i’ll concede. holster them guns, son! hahahaha…
the official lostblog-police officer. be nice or go home.
Comment 325, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
Agreed, but we also can’t identify that man as the “hostile leader.” There is no evidence to support that either. All we know is that he was a hostile.
Comment 326, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
I could have sworn (I watched it last night and was very tired, so I could be wrong) that he identified himself as Richard in the woods when he first met Ben
Comment 327, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I also believe that Ben is keeping Jacob trapped inside the magic ash/salt/whatever circle around the cabin. Jacob predicted a leader. The One who the Others have been waiting for. I believe Locke is him- despite Ben sayinf he wasn’t the one the have been waiting for. Ben knows this and like the Biblical Benjamin, he is trying to grab the power for himself. That is why he needs to keep Jacob inprisoned and is trying to get rid of Locke.
Comment 328, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
NATE wrote:
I still don’t think so. Compare with this photo:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1×04-walkabout/walkabout362.jpg
Comment 329, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Here is an off the wall thought. Jacob is actually Ben and Annies child. You notice how Ben speaks to him in the chair like he is scolding a child. This could also really reinforce the reason Ben is so obsessed with why women die at birth. Annie probably dies when Jacob is born, and I think it is probably before the purge, thus explaining her absence during the purge. I think she was already dead.
Maybe Alex came about at the same time, and Ben is telling everyone she is his child, and Jacob is this secret “supreme leader” that only talks to him.
He could be trapped in some sort of suspended anitamtion (ok a little too far fetched) and Ben is conducting experiments on him. See the vials? trying to find out why he survived, but all other children die in the womb.
Sorry for rambling, just wanted to get that though out there while I still had 10 minutes left of lunch.
Comment 330, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
No harm Nate, I believe you when you say you just forgot to reference the source, in your rush to post your theory that Locke is Jacob.
Though, I for one don’t buy that theory. I still believe Jacob is a new character, seperate from all the rest that we’ve met. He’s not Ben, not Alpert, not Locke, not Christian Shephard, etc…
Maybe Magnus Hanso though, as we haven’t met him yet.
Comment 331, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I also think Alex is now very suspicious of everything going on around her, and probably follwed Ben and Locke. She is going to pull him from the grave, and get him to help.
Comment 332, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
cool…fair enough.
Comment 333, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
My turn for something BIG! :)
Watching on abc.com, at the 24:50 mark young Ben is running through the jungle yelling for Mom. He hears WHISPERS, then “Alpert” manifests about five feet away.
FMGS – Didn’t know how else to put it….but agree we don’t know who the hostile leader is either. However, he was the one to talk with Ben, and he also was the one directing people at the Dharma Village as well as the first one to take off his mask, with the others (including young Ben) following him. I’ll call him “Alpert” from now on. :)
I also checked to see if “Alpert” identified himself in the woods with young Ben. He does not.
Comment 334, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Later that night young Ben hears his dad and Horace talking about an explosion and then hostile gunfire. The shaking was the explosion.
Comment 335, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
scottc13 wrote:
Or French chick will be around…..
Comment 336, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
scottc13 wrote:
We haven’t seen Karl since Sawyer let him go.
I wonder if he might be the one to save Locke…
Comment 337, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben said “i was one of the ones” when he spoke of surviving the purge….so who else did he ‘warn’ to wear a mask? HMMM
I found it interesting that when the purge took place Richard was wearing a nice watch. Where’d he get it, could he always come and go from island?
Also, we know that the Dharma folks aged, Ben, his dad, etc. But the natives didn’t. Richard didn’t seemed terribly surprised that Ben saw his mom, and when he said to be patient, i found it interesting that he meant 20 some years! So was this plan stewing for 20 years? And how is it that a kid, grows to
become the leader of the Others? We know it isn’t just ‘island time’ because the natives didn’t age, but Dharma did. Alpert should have been younger than Ben as a kid, yet he was an adult.
Also, I think it is something significant when Alpert asked young Ben…do you even know what that means (about the word Hostiles).
Comment 338, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I found some of these definitions for hostile…
1. Very unfriendly; “a hostile attitude.”
2. Very unfavorable to life or growth; “a hostile climate”; “a hostile soil”;
3. Marked by features that oppose constructive treatment or development; “not able to accomplish much in such a hostile environment.”
4. Impossible to bring into friendly accord; “hostile factions.”
I like number 2….
Comment 339, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Also, Ben says to Locke at the end….”let’s see if Jacob helps you now” So, are we to assume that Locke’s legs were healed by Jacob upon arrival at island? If so, that might also explain why Ben took longer to heal, perhaps Jacob was not as willing to heal Ben. Ben did say that Jacob could heal cancer to Juliet about her sister, yet he himself gets a tumor. Perhaps Jacob has some sort of witchcraft element (i would hate that)-but it would fit the circle around his cabin (salt?ash?) and the jars of unknown liquids on shelves, etc. Where was the mass grave-inside or outside the circle? (hallowed ground) AND-Ben said no one goes to see Jacob, they get ’summoned’, perhaps by Smokey? Jacob sends Smokey out to see INTO people’s minds/heart/souls etc. He perhaps saw inside
Rose and Locke and healed them. He didn’t heal Boone, or Shannon, or Nicki, Paolo,
AnnaLucia, etc. Also doesn’t bother to heal the Others pregnant women or Ben, because he
feels they trapped him, which is why he asked Locke for help. Locke was worthy of being healed when he arrived at island, but is he worthy now that he asked Sawyer to kill Cooper? Only thing is, if Ben has Jacob “trapped” why does he still fear him, and call him ’sir’?
Comment 340, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
I am not sold on the killing to be an Other theory. Locke didn’t kill his father Sawyer did. Ben said that the others require a gesture as proof of commitment to the Others. For Locke it was getting rid of his father. Juliette didn’t push her Ex in front of a bus, even though she did express a desire to see that happen to Richard, and there has been no mention of Cindy “the flight attendant” killing anyone. Both have nestled in quite nicely with the others. I don’t think that we can assume that killing someone is required for entry into the Others.
Comment 341, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
When Ben told Alpert it was his birthday that day he said something like: You remember what those are, dont’t you. Or something to that effect. I think it was a hint that Alpert had at some point aged normaly, but has somehow managed to stop aging.
Comment 342, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Ok, just a couple more thoughts…
Richard was excited to hear that Ben saw his mom, perhaps the way the island goes is that if you see someone you aren’t supposed to, you are worthy of repentance. Jack saw his dad, Locke saw Boone, Hurley saw his friend, etc. When Ben realized that Locke could NOT see Jacob, he figured he wasn’t worthy anymore. Ecko saw his brother, but he REFUSED to repent, so he died.
I’m still pondering why Ben didn’t hear Jacob say “help me”.
I think the still pic of Jacob in the chair looks kinda like Christian. Don’t know how
that would work, but it looks like him to me.
I guess we now know for sure that Adam & Eve are NOT ben’s parents. Roger’s body was in VW van.
Comment 343, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobbi wrote:
Comment 344, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
hi. Ive been reading these posts for a while but this is my first time posting. anyway I felt the need to share my thoughts on the relationship between dharma and the hostiles. I may have missed it but Ihavnt seen anyone talk about this directly.
I dont think the hostiles are actually natives. I think its probable that they were actually put there by dharma. it seems like in addition to whatever else they were studying on the island, there was alot of psychological experimentation going on, and probably alot of people didnt actually know what they were working on or what they thought they were doing wasnt actually what they were there for, like the people in the pearl. the conflict with the hostiles could have very likely been another one of these experiments. this experiment could also tie into the valenzeti equation thing. the equations porpouse was to determine the end of humanity as I understand it. so maybe this was a controled enviroment in order to observe a kind of war in a test tube. and then compare the results of the conflict with any predictions that could be made with the equation. it then seems the experiment got out of hand and resulted in most of the regular dharma population getting destroyed. or maybe that was the expected conclusion of the experiment.
anyway, thats my current guess on that subject.
Comment 345, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Like I said in one of my past posts, I knew that Locke was going to be involved in some traumatic physical event this season. Sticking with the pendulum style theory and time travel, I think that when Locke gets shot in this episode, he goes back to the scene in the hospital when he first wakes up after the fall and realizes he is paralyzed. If Locke does live through this shooting on the island, I but he will start having flashbacks like Desmond as he becomes increasingly aware of re-living events.
I also think that Jacob is a man who either traveled time too often or pendulumed through so many cycles that he exists in multiple planes/timelines at one time. Like the Michael Crichton book Timeline where sometimes parts of your cells get spliced or don’t travel with you (been a while since I read the book, but it was something like that). Maybe he is even a product of a Darma research proejct. I think Jacob was pleading with John for help. Because Locke is also penduluming, maybe Jacob thinks he can help free him?
Comment 346, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
MKS wrote:
I like that thought alot actually. Perhaps Alpert is not originally from the island afterall. (the watch he had on still bothers me)
Comment 347, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreen Steve wrote:
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Good call. I’ve been wondering where he wandered off to once he, Sawyer, and Kate got back to the island. Though I’d love to see Danielle step in just as Alex was trying to lift Locke out of the body pit, instant mother daughter reunion.
Comment 348, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
retaeluos wrote:
GREAT comment! The “test tube war” is a very logical and interesting way to look at the Dharma vs Hostiles situation.
Comment 349, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think Ben is just a figure head, Richard is the real leader. Perhaps, Richard is Jacob. He definitely doesn’t age and he was on the island long before Ben came along or so it seems.
Comment 350, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobbi wrote:
Remember how the “Others” dressed up in rags? I’m wondering if the “Hostiles” did the same thing back when Ben was young. Alpert had rags on in the forest when he ran into little Ben but a nice new shiny black leather holster at his waist.
Comment 351, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Does anyone have a screen capture of the license plate of the convertible to determine which state the plate is from?
Comment 352, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben doesn’t look 16 years younger (than he is now)at the time of the purge. Perhaps he had already kidnapped Alex by then, and that’s why Alex hates her dad because she actually saw the evil things/patricide/purge he was capable of?
Comment 353, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Francesco wrote:
No license plate on the truck that went by, couldn’t tell but didn’t look like there was one on another car that went by, and no license plate on the convertible.
Comment 354, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
I just looked, there is no plate on the front of the car.
Comment 355, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
oops sorry.
Comment 356, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
J-Man wrote:
I still doubt that Jacob=Richard, if they are the same and they want Locke’s help, they would just ask without the disguise. Locke would eventually know they are the same anyway.
Comment 357, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
samsandrasan wrote:
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Interesting point, however we don’t know what members of the current “others” are left oer dharma, imports, or hostiles. I thought Alpert’s pre-purge garb looked alot like pirate clothing or even Indian linen/cotton stuff, not really like rags. Did you notice if he was barefoot?
I wonder if within the current group of “Others” there remain factions, like the ones who are grubby and the ones who are cleaned up. Meaning, the grubby ones haven’t accepted the advances Ben tried to teach them and thus remain in whatever state they were in when he joined them postpurge and the clean one did and now live inside the barracks in a more “civilized” fashion.
Comment 358, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
MKS wrote:
RA: Whatcha got there?
BL: It’s a birthday present. Mine just happens to be today. You do remember birthdays, don’t you Richard?
VERY good catch.
Comment 359, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Monica wrote:
I thought that too. I just figured there’s only so much the make-up department could do with Michael Emerson. It’s easy to make someone look older, not so easy to make someone look younger.
Comment 360, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
One theory I havent seen: The Jacob scene was staged.
It wouldnt be the first time. They staged themselves looking like savages before. It wouldnt be too hard to stage that encounter. This would explain why no flashlight, nighttime, and the spooky environment.
The only problem I see is that it seems Ben really didnt know what Jacob said.
Comment 361, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
By any chance did Horace, Olivia, Emily, or Roger have any accents? I think it would be awful for them to have a non-specific Portland, like Simpson’s Springfield. They pay so much attention to details.
Comment 362, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
-Locke’s not dead. Perhaps he will be alive next season. He will heal. He’s healed every time he’s gotten hurt on Island.
-Kate’s being annoying and I bet she’s preggers
-Jack’s also annoying and never can decide what to do/slow to act.
-Sawyer & Sayid should be the leaders, they have clarity in their decisions
-I think the Hostles/natives came from the old ship/Brig. Jacob also did. If you go on Lostpedia and look him up, there’s a picture of him, he’s in old clothes that look like he’d be on a slave ship OR be an old explorer from a different time.
-Rousseau is going to do something with that dynamite soon, -what will she do? Is she going to go get/meet Alex?
-There’s some kind of fountain of youth on that Island. Alpert did not age. Perhaps he stopped aging when he 1st came to the Island and that’s a ’strange property’ of the island that affected him?
-What about Rose’s cancer being cured?
-Wouldn’t Ben want to keep Locke around if Locke made Ben get better and walk again? Ben was threatened by Locke because through that whole episode Locke kept publically embarrassing him in front of the others and he knew Locke was a threat when Locke brought his father back dead, Ben also killed his father (Locke didn’t kill him but did cause him to die) and became leader, was Ben afraid of being usurped?
-What’ happend to Annie? They didn’t show her dead? Ben kept looking at that doll, perhaps he misses her. He hasn’t had any love in his life, he’s lonely and sad. He was pondering something whenever he looked at that doll, what was it?
-Were those canons being fired during the classroom scene? If so, that would be more evidence of the Hostiles coming from the Brig because ships used canons to defend themselves.
Comment 363, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Also, at the end…
BL: What did Jacob say to you?
JL: Why did you do this?
BL: Because you heard him. {emphasis on heard} Now I need to know what he said.
JL: Help me.
BL: John….I’m not going to ask you again. What did he say to you?
JL: He said “Help me”.
{Ben acts flustered}
BL: Well I certainly hope he helps you John.{emphasis on you}
Find it interesting in how Ben phrases the last line. It was like he was saying, I hope he helps you because he didn’t help me.
Comment 364, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
BTW, it also seems that being stuck on the island isn’t a recent problem. In Roger’s guilt speech to young Ben, he mentions that “now I’m STUCK on this island with you”.
It’s the “Hotel California”, “…you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave..”. (credit The Eagles).
Comment 365, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Don’t know if it’s signicant, but I noticed that Ben made sure not to step on the ashes or whatever it was around the cabin.
Comment 366, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Just had a new thought.
I realize that Ben using the bunny could have been a reference to Alice in Wonderland.
But, did the bunny’s eyes look weird to anyone else? They looked red to me, and now that I think about it, it reminds me of that movie Donnie Darko – which had a very interesting viewpoint on time and dimensions, etc.. Did anyone else think the rabbit had red eyes? I just thought they focused the camera on it a bit much (kinda like when Juliet looked at the “gravesite” of Ethan).
Comment 367, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
So Jacob said Help Me but help me in what sense. does he need help? Perhaps the salt around his cabin keeps him in there and he wants to get out?
or he doesn’t need help in that sense but he wants Locke to help him do something, as in the ‘join me’ sense.
Perhaps it takes a little bit before Jacob can be seen from someone and eventually Locke would have seen him, he certainly heard him.
Locke did seem convinced that there’s no Jacob and that Ben’s just crazy. He think’s Ben said help me. Perhaps he realized when he was in the pit and shot that there really is a Jacob and Ben really didn’t say help me and there’s something that ben is lacking but locke has…..
Comment 368, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17 wrote:
Definitely red eyes, like a lab-rat. The “8″ bunny that Ben used to scare/torture Sawyer looked the same way.
Comment 369, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Maybe Locke was just pretending that he didn’t believe in Jacob. Maybe he really thought Ben was putting on a show, but THEN after hearing Jacob say “help me” he didnt want Ben to know he now believed there was a Jacob. Perhaps he accused Ben of faking it all-just as a ruse.
Comment 370, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Doesn’t a rabbit with red eyes mean it’s albino, which is thought of as ‘pure’.
Comment 371, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobbi wrote:
Good question, is Locke now tainted since he setup Sawyer to kill his dad, and can’t be healed by Jacob?
But then does that mean that it depends on their deeds on the island or off the island? Since Sawyer wasn’t so nice landside and Jin had to beat people up for a living? Are the deeds of all the Losties up for examination now? Exactly then where is the line drawn for “good” and “bad”?
This was an episode full of answers yet my questions still give me a headache.
Comment 372, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Ben stepping over not on the ashes/salt/gunpowder/as yet to be determined grey substance is significant if it is being used to keep Jacob locked up in that cabin. (Cirlce Casting) Some folks have hinted at it, but in Wikipedia we find this, “The main reason for casting a circle is to contain any energy raised by the ritual that follows. As more and more energy is raised from chanting and dancing the energy becomes more concentrated. After the circle has been cast it is believed that if forms a “cone of power”; which starts on the ground as the circle shape and extends upwards to make a point, thus creating a cone shape. When magic is done being performed, the energy is then released through this point to enter the universe and serve its purpose. The purpose of circle casting isn’t always for protection. The caster often uses it to meditate or host rituals or even pray. This circle is also believed to be an area which straddles two dimensions or realities. It becomes a sacred space between the mundane world and the otherside. Also known as the “veil between worlds”
Pay special note to the last part about stradling two dimensions!!
Comment 373, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobbi wrote:
Does anyone remember if the rabbit Ben had as a kid is the same (or looks exactly like)rabbit Ben as an adult used to con Sawyer?
Comment 374, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
anita wrote:
Sorry Green Steve didn’t see your comment. Must have been typing too slow.
Comment 375, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
On entering and leaving the circle “The barrier is fragile and sensitive to things passing through it. Leaving or passing through the circle often weakens or dispels the barrier. Most Wiccans agree that animals and small children do not disturb the circle and can pass freely through it, although dogs have been known to acknowledge the boundaries of the circle and will not enter it.
In order to leave a circle and keep it intact, Wiccans believe a door must be cut in the energy of the circle. Using the athame, an archway is “cut” in the circle, at which point anything may pass through without harming the circle.”
Also from Wiki
Comment 376, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
anita wrote:
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I don’t know that besides the “8″ mark on the con rabbit if there is any way for us to distinguish between them. Rabbits don’t live THAT long and I don’t know that the island’s properties have the same affect on wildlife that it does on people.
Comment 377, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
“Rags” is just my interpretation of the old clothes. My point was that perhaps the “Hostiles” were not natives who had not been off the island. Perhaps they were dressing that way to hide the fact that they were really modern people either from or atleast in contact with the outside world.
The ash circle and jars of red and gold liquid make me think of VooDoo. It did come from the west coast of Africa & into the West through slavery. Also, there was straw and dirt in the chair and straw under the jars. Something from the slaves on the ship?
Comment 378, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Messed that up. My comment starts at “Rags”
Comment 379, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Samsandrasan:
Voodoo! Yes good observation about the jugs and the straw and dirt. That ties in nicely to the stuff I found about circle casting on wiki. I know that circle casting is a voodoo practice as well as a wiccan/magicka practice. Could explain alot of the stuff in the cabin.
Comment 380, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
The rabbit was an albino. The red you see in the eyes is just the blood vessels in the retina.
Comment 381, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
This is super obscure. The painting in Jacob’s cabin is a dog (they made sure to pause so we could see it). The screen cap show Jacobs hair and what COULD be interpreted as a tuft of hair flopping off the side resembling a dog’s ear. The ARG last summer had some references to a letter written from a man that hinted at the author being Vincent or a dog.
Go ahead, tell me I’m nuts, but I’m putting this in one my pack pocket.
Comment 382, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Someone mentioned that the apparition of Ben’s mother looked wet as did Walt when he appeared to Shannon. I just rewatched that bit and what is interesting is that she is wet out by the fence but not wet when she shows at his window. Again, maybe these are two different types of manifestations. Also, she is wearing the same outfit she was wearing in the photo he looked at. If her image is being projected by someone or something – they got the specs from the picture.
Comment 383, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Dr. M’s island? Just kidding you ; >
Comment 384, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sam – lol, to go even nuttier than a squirrel turd, dogs only have four toes on the hind legs…dun dun duuuun.
Comment 385, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
You’re nuts! =p
Comment 386, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I was just wondering if anyone noticed the Biblical references in this episode?
Jacob from the Bible had 2 wives. His favorite wife had two children Jospeh and Benjamin. However, Rachel died giving birth to Benjamin.
It doesn’t say it directly in the Bible, but it seems rather obvious that Jacob probably resented Benjamin for causing his wife to die (he gave Jospeh a fancy new coat, but not to Benjamin).
I’m not saying Jacob is Benjamin’s father, because it’s obvious that Roger was. He does seem to directly, or indirectly, “adopt” Ben.
What do you all think?
Comment 387, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Um. I won’t say you’re nuts, but stretching perhaps?
Comment 388, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Thanks FM – This should get people thinking of why they put a painting of a dog on the wall. And seriously, we’ve seen some goofy hair styles in history, but what’s up with the dog ears on Jacob?
Comment 389, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina – of course it’s stretch, but at least I used some evidence. Have you seen some of the blind ideas posted today?
Comment 390, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Agreed.
Comment 391, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
No one mentioned this yet, but did anyone notice how Ben’s mother was dressed sort of like Alice from Alice in Wonderland on the other side of the sonic fence? She was wearing a blue dress and a blue headscarf. There are several references to Alice and Wonderland- even the white rabbit. Its probably going to tie into the overall mythology somehow.
Comment 392, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lostie wrote:
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Or some might just write off her clothing to the style of the day i.e. the 70s. She looked pretty much like she belonged in the 70s to me.
Comment 393, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think maybe we should campaign for a new rule to be added to the guidlines that includes that people must support their outrageous theories. I’d be more willing to read all this crap if people actually tried a little bit harder.
Comment 394, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimm 17 wrote:
All white rabbits have red eyes- like Huskies have blue eyes. Now if they had a white rabbit with a different color eyes, that would be special.
Comment 395, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
I’m with you. Brainstorming is needed here, but not the kind where you just blurt out crap. IMO wild ideas are okay if you can at least throw a couple facts at it.
Comment 396, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Thoughts on the mass grave:
Why didn’t they bury the people for real, as in cover them up with dirt? I think they new they’d have to keep killing people in the future. It doesn’t make sense not to cover a huge pit of dead bodies unless you’re going to need to chuck a couple of extra ones in sometime in the near future.
Comment 397, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
THEY ARE ALL LIVING UNDERGROUND IN A GIANT SNOWGLOBE! OMG.
=p
Comment 398, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
quote comment=”57406″]This is super obscure. The painting in Jacob’s cabin is a dog (they made sure to pause so we could see it). The screen cap show Jacobs hair and what COULD be interpreted as a tuft of hair flopping off the side resembling a dog’s ear. The ARG last summer had some references to a letter written from a man that hinted at the author being Vincent or a dog.
Go ahead, tell me I’m nuts, but I’m putting this in one my pack pocket.
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Jacob’s Vincent as a human! That’s y he’s been gone missing for so many episodes! He has to go whenever he needs to boss Ben around! That’s y they got more then they bargained for with Walt, since Vincent is his dog!
Comment 399, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Here’s an idea.
It seems that Alpert has somehow managed to stop aging. He also seems to be able to travel freely between the island and the real world. As far as I can tell, the only people we know off who can do that are him and Ethan (and maybe Jacob, if he somehow went and healed Rachel).
Given this, we can’t really say how old Alpert is. He could be fifty, or a hundred-and-fifty. As I noted above, he seems to have had Birthdays at some point in his life, but they stopped.
If he or Jacob can also time travel, or someone they know can, or they can somehow see the future, …. it seems that it would be really easy to finance whatever they are doing. All they need to do is play the stock-market (with a few large companies as their front). If you know what is going to happen ahead of time, you can make millions. And, if they promised the companies a large cut of a sure profit, there would be several (corrupt) co. joining. (Penny’s dad? Sun’s dad?)
Comment 400, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreen Steve wrote:
LOL – where’s your back up?
Comment 401, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sorry, i screwed up the quoting on my last comment.
Comment 402, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
…”Nothing stays buried on this island.”
Comment 403, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
i luv anagrams now! Horace Godspeed = Escaped Good Hero……hmmm. Does that mean (could that mean) that Horace didn’t REALLY die? He was put in the mass grave but didn’t actually die. He & a few others (maybe annie) didn’t actually die, they were only “badly injured” like mikhail or paulikki. He’s the Escaped Good Hero who’s the leader of the 2nd group of others???? (Sorry if it’s already been posted don‘t have time to read 200 comments right now. I‘ll catch up later.)
Comment 404, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreen Steve wrote:
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Might not stay buried but they sure stay decomposed! Yuck.
Comment 405, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Sorry if this has already been commented about, I didn’t hve time to read 387 posts…
I am sure we have all noticed that all of these people have really bad dads. Kates dad beat her mom, Sawyers dad killed his mom, lockes dad well that is obvious, jack’s dad opperates on people drunk, and so on. Well know we know that Ben had a terrible dad to. I wonder why there are so many bad dad’s in this show…
Comment 406, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Weird how only the Losties bury dead people. Now we know the others leave them exposed if they are not part of the group and send them off the dead on burning rafts if they are.
Except Henry Gale, wasn’t he buried under rocks?
Comment 407, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
This episode lent credibility to the idea that Alpert is in fact pulling the strings in some significant way. After all, either him or someone who looks just like him was apparently the ‘leader’ of the ‘hostiles’, the ‘original inhabitants of the island’.
More on my blog at http://blue.butler.edu/~jfmcgrat/blog/
Comment 408, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
bigfan wrote:
The dad issues list goes on and on…Sun’s dad, Jin dad, Claire’s dad, Hugo’s dad, Penny’s dad…
Comment 409, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
James wrote:
I’m guessing that Jacob not Alpert was the leader back then too. I think Alpert is in a tough position if in fact Ben has him captured and is secretly helping Locke overcome Ben for Jacob’s sake.
Comment 410, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
This episode shot down the naomi is an other theory. Dang! o well, I’m still holdin on to my naomi is with dharma theory tho. I will not admitt defeat till the last episode of the series! Dharma doesn’t know about the purge, well at least not till Locke blew up the flame & forced Des to turn the key, & the ones in the hatches (well, Kelvin & des anyways) are convinced that they’re still with dharma. The only purpose of that is cuz Dharma doesn’t know that the Hostiles have tooken over yet! 1 Hatch blew up & so did the Flame after confirming that there has been a purge so Dharma has sent somebody *naomi* to investigate. That’s why The Others are so concerned. That’s why they have to go early. I will NOT admit defeat!!!!!!!
I have a couple questions too.
1)was the fence meant to keep the hostiles in or wildlife/smokey out?
2) was it jacob or just an earthquake/the button not bein pushed in ben’s flashback when he was in school?
3) Were the numbers 54439 some numbers that Locke pushed in Enter 77?
Comment 411, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
The Jacob scene reminds me of the movie, “The Skeleton Key” with Kate Hudson. All about Black Magic and getting people to believe in their magic in order to lure them into the circle and steal their bodies for their spirits to inhabit. So maybe Jacob saying “Help me” to Locke was because he’s one of the bodies who have been stolen or something.
Comment 412, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
okay i think that the fence was made to keep the hostiles in. (i’m gonna answer my own question)
People (dharma) who take over new places (the island) always seem to think that the natives (hostiles) are the bad guys/barbarians and need to be removed or kept far away. It makes sense then that Dharma would keep the Hostiles/Natives inside the fence that kills people. No chance of worryin about em takin over the island that way.
Comment 413, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
After looking at the picture more on Lost Easter eggs…
http://bp2.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RkNXJJsh7FI/AAAAAAAAFW0/g8RoRELGoik/s1600-h/jacob2.jpg
I am starting to think it DOES sort of look like Locke. I haven’t read the book Bad Twin, but could this be somebody dealing with Locke?
What kind of dog is it in the pic? Is it a yellow lab like Vincent? Didn’t Locke’s sister come back as a yellow lab once???
Comment 414, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka – The fence was meant to keep out wildlife and ultimately keep the hostiles out. Everyone inside knew the code that changed daily.
IMO the ground shook because of an explosion during an attack from the hostiles.
Those are not the enter 77 numbers…77 are the numbers.
Comment 415, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Hammer! You hit the nail on the head!
pun intended
Comment 416, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
chicka – you seem confused about the fence, it surrounded the Dharma compound. It can’t keep the enemy inside fence, that would defeat the purpose. Now the hostiles use it to keep Smokey and intruders out of the compound they took over after the purge.
Comment 417, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
HOSTILES = he is lost
Comment 418, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
I think it looks a lot like Danny Pickett, but that would make no sense at all
Comment 419, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lostie wrote:
The outfit she had on was the same one she had on in the picture Ben picked up and looked at.
Comment 420, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
I wish I knew the breed, it’s a long haired, large breed. Def. not a lab.
Comment 421, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
If Alpert and co. had access to large amounts of money, they could have easily gotten Windermere and (Sun’s dad’s) company involved. We know Sun’s dad’s company was doing some illegal work (she hinted at it when she asked him for money), and I would not be surprised if Penny’s dad was involved in illegal dealings as well. Alpert and co. could be using these companies and the Dharma name as a cover for their dealings (kind of like a tax write-off or off shore money laundering deal). I think the real Dharma no longer exists and thus is not being fooled by the Others. The Others have become Dharma.
Comment 422, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
thanks hammer. i couldn’t figure out if ben was inside the fence or if richard was. if the fence is to keep smokey out, that would mean that smokey isn’t jacob right? or would that mean that ben wants power so bad, he won’t let anybody else know about jacob (i haven’t decided on what jacob is yet, so i ain’t crossin out any ideas yet)?
Comment 423, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay. I think I have read most of this thread.
When Ben first gets to the island and they are registering, there is a sign that I can’t quite make out but I believe it says,
“innoculations”
Can anyone verify that? It could be spelled wrong and say “inoculations.”
Inoculation is the act or an instance of inoculating, especially the introduction of an antigenic substance or vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.
But why would it be speeled wrong? Also, does that mean there was a disease on the island before they got there? They actually show them getting injections. All this time I was thinking the injections was from some disease dealing with the “purge” which we now know was not a disease.
I think the writers are confusing themselves!
Comment 424, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
BEN HAS KNOWN ABOUT THE PEARL STATION FOR YEARS.
-Roger Linis to Ben:”All we have to do today is drop off this stuff down at the pearl station and then we can go up the hill and have a few beers for your Birthday”
-So this raises all kinds of questions because now it is true that Ben knows about the Button,about Kelvin and Radzinski,about Desmond,about the 108 minutes,I would say this even raises the possibility of Naomi being sent by Ben because he would know about penny now because of the survailance of the station,Ben even knows now why “the sky turned purple” right,maybe thats what he wanted all along because he’s the one who tricked Locke into beliving it didnt do anything right.Im going to have to think on this one for a while,thoughs???
P.S. another example of Ben’s BS.
Comment 425, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
After reading through all these posts, here’s my two cents and my questions:
It seems odd that Jacob would freak out over a flashlight. His shack isn’t that primitive so as to be freaked by something so mundane.
Did Danielle’s crew getting “sick” correspond with the purge?
I thought I heard a reference to “prisoners” during the lockdown in the classroom. I will have to rewatch. I am also a little leary of Dharma referring to the natives as hostiles. That is a military/police term, not one that would be generally used by a scientific organization.
Dharma built the barrier to keep out what? Polar bears and boars? Not likely. Whatever they needed protection from was either already there when they arrived or came about a short time after.
Benjamin’s birth is told in Genesis 35:18. Born to Rachel from Jacob, she died giving birth and named him Benoni (son of my pain) with her dying breath. Jacob renamed him Benjamin. Is Locke John the Baptist, the one who prepares the way?
Is Jacob John’s subconscious (or even his conscious for that matter)? He’s saying to himself “Help me.”
Finally, the close up of the eye. Does Jack have brown eyes? Can any one tell if it is the same eye that is the opening shot of the first few seconds of the very first episode?
Comment 426, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Seajam. Lostpedia says the eye is unknown, but it shows many different occurences of “eye” shots from past episodes, and it looks ALOT like Desmond’s. Take a look and compare.
Comment 427, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
1) Alex went over to Ben & Locke in the woods and said “I hear you’re going to see Jacob. You’ll need this” (or something like that) and hands him the gun. She turns around after takin a couple steps and says “Happy Birthday Dad” (I’m not doin direct quotes here). At first I thought she was bein sarcastic & this was part of her whole I’m-not-my-daddy’s-little-girl-anymore phase but now reading back comments I’m beginning to think otherwise. Is Alex as twisted as Ben? She gave the gun to Locke, but did she mean for her dad to use it? Or did she really mean it for Locke?
She may not be a big fan of her dad but she’s 16 for cryin out loud, she’s gonna change her opinions every other day, she lives with a group of backstabbers & murders & manipulators (ex. Her DAD). She got her dad the bag tho in TMFT & y wouldn’t she help her dad kill Locke. It’s not like her & locke were buddies or anything (and Ben could’ve threatened to kill her or ground her or something).
2) Pirates of The Caribbean + Lost = Jacob (thank u jimm17 & damery)! Jacob has had a curse put on him to never die but instead of turning to bones at night he turns invisible & technology makes him visible again. The monkey on his back proves it! =P
3) Awesome episode! No such thing as to much cake & ice cream! Jacob is invisible (if not a ghost or a con) + Locke bein shot & possibly dead in 1 episode!!!!!! Tons of questions, head spinning, 2 jaw droppers, & llots of confusion!!!!! That’s what lost is all about!!!!
4) Ben didn’t want to read Carrie (which is a Stephen King book). Didn’t Locke give Ben a Stephen king book in the hatch to pass the time with?
Comment 428, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’d like to hear any theories about Michael and Walt.
If Naomi is who she says she is –> then the news/media truly has reported that Flight 815 was found with no survivors –> which means Michael and Walt did not make it back to civilization –> which means they are out there somewhere …
Anyone suspect they’ll be making an appearance before the end of the season??
Comment 429, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
is the “disease” dharma’s fighting against age? were they trying to see how long they could keep people young? richard was one of the first kids on the island & was injected with the drug to stop them from aging which worked one to many times? he, like Ben in a way, didn’t like how dharma treated the natives so he joined them (hostiles/natives)? just throwin it out there.
Comment 430, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I had this same thought the other day: The lyrics to Hotel California almost make sense (for once!) in the context of LOST.
Comment 431, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
About Walt/Michael comin back & Everybody on the island bein white:
Walt or Michael is comin back sometime (I think hammer has already said that on here so it‘s not my fault if it‘s a spoiler!). Besides with how fast Malcolm (think that’s walt’s real name) would be growing in the next few years, it would be impossible to keep him on the show still as a 10 year old unless they wanted to put a new kid on every season. Rose is workin on another show/movie so she’ll be back when she‘s done with that. The guy who played Ecko wanted off the show, so it’s not the writers fault.
Sayid is Iraqi. Sun & Jin are Korean. Hurley is Hispanic.
hate to bring the whole race thing up again, but heck if we mention walt the whole “everyobody on the island is white” argument again. please start ask will to start a new thread on here or start your own blog about the writers bein racist.
Comment 432, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
if u look at the chair right after ben hits the wall u can see someone who in my opinion looks alot like tom
Comment 433, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
The assumption is that Jacob is the “Man Behind the Curtain.” I don’t recall D&C saying that Jacob is that man. Locke called him the man behind the curtain earlier in this episode, but we have no evidence that the apparition was Jacob. I’m wondering if Jacob was the very tangible “eye guy,” who is potentially an additional person who was in that cabin with Ben, “Jacob,” and Locke. Or, the eye guy made the apparition appear somehow as he sat “behind the curtain” watching Ben and Locke and causing the house to shake, etc.
I agree, Seajam, the eye guy looks a lot like Desmond, but that brings in the quantum and time travel theories which I am having a hard time believing. The show seems more practical than that. They paint the characters out to be very real living in our day, by our laws of science. The wild things that happen on the island I think will ultimately be explained somehow by our laws of science. Just a theory.
Comment 434, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
I thought he gave him The Brothers Karamazov to read while he was being held captive.
Comment 435, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
janeth wrote:
is that a joke?
did anyone see the pic on the monk’s desk? ;)
Comment 436, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Josh wrote:
Locke actually called Ben the man behind the curtain, the Wizard of Oz, not Jacob. He actually said there was no Jacob that Ben made it all up.
Comment 437, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Poopypants wrote:
You’re sorta right. The Button is in the Swan station, not the Pearl. Nevertheless, having been part of the Dharma Initiative and given the fact that half or more of the food is labeled with the Swan logo, Ben should know about it. I suppose it is possible that they limited access to it, and he never saw it.
Comment 438, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobbi- You mentioned the Halfway house of thoughts…this is my take.. Possibilty?
Alpert doesn’t age. He manipulated Ben when he was a child and now as an adult. He told Ben he was the one with power and now Locke came along…
But
1) I think they are dead the LOSTIES….or they somehow found a blackhole in the universe that scientist can somehow visit and see the dead and study them.
2) I think this is all insane. And surprised no one has mentioned the episode with Hurley in the nut house. The flash to the scene where Hurley’s girl is in the nuthouse with him. I think this is a great story that only an insane person would come up with. At the end of this series we are going to find that Hurley imagined all of this and this plane crashed never occured…THese are stories the crazies are coming up with.
Comment 439, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sry Swan/pearl got mixed up a bit there
Comment 440, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
What it Danielle is Annie. I’ve heard of Danielle being shortened to Dannie – why not Annie? Am I nuts?
Comment 441, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
mr jones wrote:
ben’s fake hair was pretty bad makeup
Comment 442, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Is Annie Rousseau?
Comment 443, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
LCola wrote:
Just a few thoughts and a question:
1) It doesn’t seem like anyone else noticed, but my second thought on seeing Alpert 30 yrs ago was “Those clothes look really, really old, like pirate clothes.” Was Alpert on the Black Rock?? What does that mean about Island time? (I’m over the dead/purgatory/hell idea for now).
2) I’m sure that Locke is not dead and that he won’t be “revived” this season – but we’ll be seeing him in the next.
3) I’m sorry – I must have missed something. When did we find out that Eko’s brother was the black smoke monster? And if this is true – thus explaining Eko’s lack of fear/silent communion with the monster, is that why Locke also reacted the same way – with trust?
Comment 444, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
mardacara wrote:
Comment 445, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jacob is Alvar Hanso
Comment 446, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
2 cents.
Okay, here are my thoughts regarding Jacob, and I’ve pretty much gone through the posts to make sure I’m not repeating something, so here it goes…
My explanation for the scene with Jacob is as follows; the way I see it – there are 3 possible explanations that seem reasonable for me:
1. Jacob Exists. The figure we saw briefly in the chair seems to demonstrate that. The shaking and the noise and people getting thrown around – well – none of that persuaded me that anything other than the island just being the island was in effect – but actually SEEING Jacob for a second indicates he MIGHT be real.
2. Jacob is a ‘tangible’ fiction created by Ben, and given presence by Ben’s ability to channel some of the island’s power.
3. Jacob is a ‘tangible’ fiction created UNCONSCIOUSLY by Ben who basically has multiple personality disorder, and has, WITHOUT BEING AWARE OF IT – created the Jacob character and provides it with presence and kinesis by channeling some of the islands power.
Now – as for Theory #1:
Nope. I don’t think so. If this were true, if Ben absolutely and totally believed that Jacob were real, and KNEW IT beyond doubt. I suspect he would have MADE SURE that Locke was dead. He would not have shot him that rather non–lethal shot in the gut. Locke would indeed be DEAD. He isn’t, of this I have no doubt.
AND…
It’s not theory No.2 either. If Ben had consciously created the Jacob fiction, he would NOT have been desperate to find out what, if anything, Jacob had said to Locke. It would have been a non-issue. However, I believe his rather desperate curiosity was real. Therefore – Ben does NOT consciously know he has created the Jacob character.
HOWEVER – He suspects that that COULD be the case. Which leads me to conclude that theory #3 in this case is the one to bet on. Ben does NOT have direct awareness of the Jacob character he has created, and really does perceive him to be an external presence – however, he KNOWS that he might not quite be 100% sane, and suspects that he may have another personality, and is therefore QUITE eager to know what this personality might have told Locke. This is the only theory that both explains the apparition, Ben’s ignorance of what it told Locke, AND the fact that he did NOT make sure Locke was lethally wounded.
So yup.
That’s my 2 cents.
Comment 447, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think that the Ben/Jacob biblical references are obvious. As noted, Benjamin was born to Rachel, who named him as she died. Same thing happened last night.
It is worth noting that Jacob’s favorite son was Joseph. He of the amazing technocolored dreamcoat. Joseph was in high standing with the Egyptians due to his ability to see the future. He was also cast down into a hole by his brothers.
Desmond can see the future and was stuck in a hole for a very long time (with Kelvin). And what color was the shirt that Hurley gave him when he woke up naked?
Comment 448, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow, I can’t believe I read through most of these posts!
A couple of thoughts:
1. Could Alex have given Locke the gun cause Ben told her at some point that Jacob killed her mother? Maybe random but she doesn’t seem all that trusting of her “father,” if that’s who Ben really is.
2. In the Dharma training videos the narrator (who I believe goes by multiple names but always appears to be the same guy) mentions an “incident” ocurring and states that the computer in the hatch must only be used to enter the numbers and nothing else. Could the incident they are referring to be the purge? Not sure if this “incident” has been discussed in other posts or threads but when I saw that all of the camp residents had been gassed, I thought this could have been what they referred to in the video.
For the record, I really can’t see that Locke could be dead. Too much has been invested in his story and so much is still unresolved. Seems like one of many cliffhangers they’ll leave us to ponder til next season.
Comment 449, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay – so I finally made it through all these great thoughts on last night’s show and I have a few things that weren’t mentioned yet, like:
- Ben never following up on what happened to his tape recorder.
- Why did Ben shoot Locke? Did he shoot Locke because he knew that Locke must have taken it? Or did he shoot Locke because Locke said he was going to tell everyone that there is no Jacob.
- The look on Ben’s face when Makail tells about the parachick. He looked very surprised. Why such a shock?
- Locke beat the snot out of Makail and no one stopped him – Why didn’t someone tell him to lay off.
Don’t worry – I don’t think they can kill Locke yet. He’ll be healed!
Comment 450, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
avalanche wrote:
great post. i like the sandman reference. and also the bullethole explanation. only i don’t think ben has the power to affect reality that much anymore with the pregnant women. i tend to side with the time theory – that the children are coming earlier than they should be because of some bend in time thing (maybe ben’s mother was really from the island, we don’t know her story).
Comment 451, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
hmm. previous post begins at “great post.” i’m not sure how the quote & reply thing works.
Comment 452, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
A few quick observations and then a few very long ones:
1. Anyone else curious why Ben’s father and 7-months-pregnant mother were HIKING IN THE WOODS? (Ben’s father uses the word “hike” when telling him about the day he was born.) Seems odd to me.
2. Kate didn’t seem too surprised or concerned that she was mentioned on the audiotape as a potential kidnapee. Significant at all? She and Jack have both been a bit weird of late.
3. I think Ben totally manipulated Locke yet again in “Jacob”’s cabin. Why not wait ’til daylight to check it out (or to go back)? Locke went in, got spooked, and very shortly thereafter was laying in a mass grave. Story of his life.
4. After they’d literally exterminated the Dharma Initiative, the Hostiles didn’t seem the least bit conflicted by their act of mass murder. I wonder if they still have any more gas cannisters laying about for future conflicts.
Ben made a point to explain to Locke that Jacob is not the type of person you go to, but rather the type that “summons” you. Like most of Ben’s lines, it’s delivered in a way that makes you assume it’s significant even when it’s not, probably to disguise his lies. But I’ll bite anyway. In addition to the containment ash circle (if that’s what it is), the summoner is also an element of Wicca:
“The primary…function of the Summoner is to call other coven members to a meeting or ritual. The summoner is also responsible for all inter-coven communication and traditionally is the only member of a coven who will know where other covens reside. In many covens the Summoner is always male…”
(source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summoner_%28Wicca%29)
Just throwing that out there. Perhaps Jacob is the only one who knows “the grand scheme”, and is able to maintain contact with forces outside the island (or perhaps he communicates WITH the island?).
However, if the episode title is to be read into, and Ben is the man behind the curtain, doesn’t that then make Jacob the Wizard, a fiction of Ben’s to assert some authority over others? Bring on the flying monkeys!
The Summoner’s is also one of Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, and I’m really beginning to wonder about the significance of all of the literary references popping up in character names, episode titles, details like the white rabbit, etc. At first these references just seemed like fun embellishments, but they seem to be becoming more overt and prevalent. Mix with that the seeming manifestations of people’s imaginations (dead relatives, horses, polar bears), and it almost begins to feel like these people are trapped in some physical manifestation of fiction: literature and philosophy. As if the island, perhaps via the smoke monster, is intelligent and able to manifest what it learns from its inhabitants. On one extreme, the manifestation of the polar bear from a comic book panel, and on the other extreme an ability to heal people through observation of the scientists and doctors stationed there. And as the island grows more sentient, it begins to react and protect itself (again via the smoke monster, which Danielle calls the “security system”).
Another half-baked theory for the wacko file, probably, but at least I got it off my chest!
Comment 453, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
No way I’d remember the color of the shirt. As for the biblical references, Joseph’s brothers (Benjamin being one) were extremely jealous of Joseph because he was Jacob’s favorite. Sound familiar?
I’ve seen little reference to this so I’ll add it. It has bothered me all day: the tape recorder.
To paraphrase:
Richard: Do you want me to take the recorder to the med hatch for Juliet?
Ben: What? You mean it wasn’t already done!?! Where’s Tom?
That strikes me as a very ackward conversation. If Ben gave it to Tom and asked Tom to take care of it, then he just would have told Richard not to worry about it, Tom took care of it. But he didn’t say that; he freaked out! I don’t think we were shown how John came in possession of the recorder before he gave it to Sawyer. Did Tom give it to John or did Richard? We were about to get a possible answer as Ben exited the tent to talk with Tom but then… John shows up and it’s forgotten.
On a different note, I think Annie is Annie and Rousseau is Rousseau. There hasn’t been anything so far to make me doubt Rousseau’s story. Her sanity yes, but her story no.
Now you can all beat me up for saying this, but last night I felt a pang of sympathy for Ben. He holds the doll because of guilt. Annie died in the gas assault. His mother died after giving birth. Even though he never knew her, he “knows” her deep down. So , in essence, he has only ever been loved and cared about by two people; he was also directly involved in both of their deaths. I’m not making excuses for his other evil deeds, but now we know much more of the burden he carries.
Comment 454, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Desmond’s shirt was tie-dyed. Sort of technocolored. It was very symbolic looking when he was tossing rocks into the ocean wearing only that shirt.
I’ll admit. I felt sympathy for Ben, too. It is amazing that after all he’s done the writers were able to show a side of him that we can empathize with.
Comment 455, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Locke will most likely be healed. There is obviously something special about Locke; Locke’s legs were healed after the crash, Another episode (not sure when) Locke had an injury to his leg. He was healed shortly there after, finally Ben was healing slowly before becoming in contact with Locke but after Locke arrived Ben’s health quickly improved. The gunshot was also not as bad as it could have been. What I do not understand is if Ben wanted to kill Locke he would have shot him in the chest or head rather than the stomache.
Comment 456, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
- Ben never following up on what happened to his tape recorder.
I think that Locke coming back was far more important, so everyone forgot about it. Not to mention that it was irrelevant after Crazy-Russian-Guy came out and said they had to go tonight.
- Why did Ben shoot Locke? Did he shoot Locke because he knew that Locke must have taken it? Or did he shoot Locke because Locke said he was going to tell everyone that there is no Jacob.
I think that part of it was that he didn’t want Locke to tell the others. A bigger part, though, was that Jacob spoke to Locke. Jacob only speaks to Ben. So if he speaks to Locke then Ben is not special anymore. He never was special; his own dad forgot his birthday every year.
- Locke beat the snot out of Makail and no one stopped him – Why didn’t someone tell him to lay off.
Surprised? Wanted Locke to win? It’s no secret that th Others aren’t thrilled with Ben, save Tom and Makail.
Comment 457, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’m tryin to catch up on comments, I haven’t read past comment 350, so I have no idea if all of this has already been said if it’s past that comment.
1) was annie not at the purge cuz ben killed her cuz she found out about his plan? Just throwin it out there. Or was she “sick” & he killed her like ruso did? What was henry gail’s wife named? It was annie wasn’t it? O gosh, w/ every idea I get, I get 12 more.
Okay, I’m gonna be goin way back for these next few comments.
2) Nate (comment 310) I can see locke in that pic a bit, but…idk. It could just be cuz u made him bald & he only has a nose & part of his mouth. Not much to go by. But if it is true I know how it could be (well I think I know how it could be): a) different dimmension, b) different timeline, c) reincarnation, or d) his evil/good twin (still can’t figure out if locke is the good twin or the bad twin). But I think it’s Kris Kristofferson. Look at the other 2 shots. It’s Kris! There’s no denyin it looks JUST like Kristofferson!!!! Idk…
And now I need u or somebody else to answer my question. R u sayin it is locke or locke’s twin/somebody else played by terry O’Quinn?
3) MKS: very interesting idea about the Black Rock looking for Mu – the South American version of Atlantis.
4) Why do they keep bringing up the “god luvs u as he luved Jacob” if “god doesn’t even know we’re here”? ben said that when he was in the hatch, I think to locke. That line has always sorta stuck out to me since they have all these different biblical names & references, but god doesn‘t even know aout the island.
5) scott13 (comment 329): omg! That is the most outrageous theory I think I’ve heard yet! J yes, he did seem like he was scolding a child, but why did Jacob look like he was older than Ben? I like that idea a lot, just the way Jacob looks doesn’t make sense with it. But that’s the only way I don’t like it.
6) Hurley’s Dad (comment333): WHOA! Maybe ben does affect reality! So did he create Jacob then too? Maybe even annie?
7) bobbi (Comment 342): that would be a cool way for the island or Jacob to summon people/say they’re worthy of repentance. It actually makes a lot of sense. Would that mean that Sawyer is to, since he saw the black horse too?
8) retaeluos (comment 344): that is an AMAZING theory about who the hostiles actually are!!!!!! Who would’ve thought of that?! But then why would they think that they are natives to the island? Brainwashing? Idk. More I think about it, the less likely it seems, but I like it anyways. =) really original way to look at the hostiles vs. dharma war!
sorry, i know it’s a long post. =)
Comment 458, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
bigfan wrote:
Good point. This is an anti-dad show.
Comment 459, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Not to be mega-poster here, but I just ran the jacob cameo frame by frame. Several interesting things of note.
1. Jacob does not appear to move.
2. To Jacob’s right (our left) there is a very bright area on the screen.
3. The only part of Jacob that we can see is his right side and the top of his head.
4. On where the left side of Jacob’s face would be there is a very strange mark. If he were looking right at that light source it could be his ear, but it would be odd to see that when we can’t see the rest of his face. Could he be transparant?
Light source, transparent Jacob. Doesn’t move. Hmmm…
Comment 460, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
My head is spinning! I just watched the episode and honestly cannot get through 457 posts. This was an amazing episode and my heart rate was sky high when they were in that cabin with Jacob! Amazing writing, amazing acting, by far the best episode ever!!! That was freaky!!!!!
I’ll spare you all my observations because they’ve probably been picked over ad nauseam.
I do not think Locke is dead…he’s too important…he’ll come back, no worries!
Comment 461, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Not that it drives the story at all, but I just listened to HELP ME at http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/help-me-audio.html
Anybody think it sounds like Carlton Cuse? In their last podcast they are asked about any fake Hanso commercials this year. The response (from http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast_transcript/May_4%2C_2007) was:
Damon Lindelof: Lord I hope not. Alright…
Carlton Cuse: However you may hear my voice.
Damon then adds something that could be considered spoilerish, so I won’t add it. But maybe Carlton(’s voice) is Jacob?
Comment 462, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Go to http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/11-frames-of-jacob.html check out the frames with Jacob. Really looks like Desmond.
Comment 463, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
My heart also broke for the child Ben when his father blamed him for his mother’s death. Who takes their wife hiking with no one knowing where they are when she’s 7 months pregnant????
Comment 464, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Any word if there will be a LOST Experience 2 this offseason?
Comment 465, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
ok, i didnt read all comments so im sorry if im repeating, but i think that people born on the island are incapable of dying!! that would make sense with the richard not aging theory. I think thats also what ben is trying to accomplish and why he wants a baby to be born on the island. He wants to find the gene that the babies have that makes them imortal so that he can be immortal
Comment 466, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Brandon wrote:
wow, that is creepy. he looks more like Moses from the Ten Commandments…Charlton Heston…than Des, though
Comment 467, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Brandon wrote:
dude thats definitly not desmond thats the guy who got Roger the job on the island. which would support my theory of immortality, because even though he looked dead he could have been born on the island which would make him still alive! anyone know his name?
Comment 468, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
took me super long to read, here goes:
-there have been some posts about ben’s birthday in december and his birth in a warm time, parents hiking, etc
well, i think it is b/c flashbacks are from the person on the island’s point of view, so ben was “remembering” his birth
-this is kind of far out, but maybe jacob had on a high tech suit a la US military, that has cameras on the back and minitv screens on the front so the person is invisible, i know, its far out
-why do people think that kelvin was for sure really originally dharma, but i think it is likely that he was just like Mikhail
-finally, Josh, i might be biased b/c my personal theory of the island revolves around quantum physics explanations, but quantum physics ARE our current understanding of physics, so it really isn’t that far fetched
Comment 469, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
that theory of imortality was mostly a teacher at my schools just to give her credit
Comment 470, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobbi wrote:
There’s a Portland in Australia, which might explain the weather. (Isn’t it summer in Australia when it’s winter in the U.S.?) But if the sign said 32 “miles” instead of just a simple “32″ then the Australia thing probably doesn’t apply. (Doesn’t Australia follow the metric system?) And none of the people had Australian accents, although that could be explained away easily, I suppose.
I agree Portland is NOT Springfield. That’s rather dismissive.
Comment 471, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone know of any websites where I can watch the show. I tried to buy it on Itunes, but it wasn’t available yet.
thanks
Comment 472, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
samsandrasan wrote:
Good explanation. I would point to Yemi, and posit that smokey is copying the specs.
Comment 473, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone have any thoughts on why Ben would close the eyes of Horace Goodspeed after he aided in killing him?
He didn’t show such respect for any of the other bodies…just Horace.
Comment 474, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
The Portland sign says, “Portland 32″ with no reference to miles or km. Either it’s Australia, maybe Texas, or he wasn’t born on 12/22.
Comment 475, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
ok bear w/ me, this is kinda goin with comment 310, I think Jacob transforms into the smoke monster during daytime which would explain why the windows were boarded up, to keep out light if he didnt want to be smoky and “take a day off”
also, this would explain the “he doesn’t like technology” bit. I think It’s kindov like pavlovs dog (whenever pavlov rang his bell, the dog thought there was dinner, so pavlov could manipulate his dog into many false hopes). I say this because if smokey (jacob) gets hurt by the electrical fence (technology) he wouldn’t like technology in general, in fact he ould probably hate it.
Comment 476, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreenSteve wrote:
Perhaps he was aware that Horace had tried to save his mother?
Comment 477, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Josh wrote:
Assuming it was referring to Portland, Oregon, I wonder if Ben’s ma and pa were hiking at Beacon Rock, which is actually across the river in Washington. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be anything spooky about this particular park, although it is the site of an ancient volcano.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beacon_Rock
Another possibility is that it’s Portland, Maine, and yet another reference to Stephen King. His near-fatal car accident was about 50 miles outside of Portland.
Comment 478, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jet Black wrote:
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Comment 479, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
zeeter wrote:
Just a thought, but I think that Ben shot Locke because he DID hear Jacob. I think that Ben has entrapped Jacob, whatever he might actually be – a person caught in a parallel dimension or ghost or whatever – Jacob is clearly a power unto himself. I think that he is the link with the island itself or that he knows how to make manifest the island’s powers. Whatever. Ben is threatened because Locke, by being able to hear Jacob, could potentially communicate with Jacob and together they could collude to strip Ben from his place of power. Ben knows that the Others want him gone, like Juilet they all secretly loathe him, but obey him because he is a master manipulator (like many antisocial personalities) who makes promises they want more than anything if they comply while threatening them with horrible punishments if they resist.
I think Jacob is the thing that Ben holds over all the Others (eg: natives/hostiles) to be at the top and to have them act out his nefarious plots. I mean, why wouldn’t Richard be in charge? Ben was only a kid when he “signed on.” I think that Ben holds the Others hostage with fear of Jacob. Jacob he holds hostage with voodoo-like practices (the sand/salt/ash ring). We know he’s crazy – he’s a mass murderer, he kills people because they don’t remember his birthday. I imagine that Annie is dead and that too drives Ben’s psychosis.
And I think that no one helped Makail because They view him the same as Ben; he is original Dharma – he’s crazy, a loose cannon who kills his own people. They live in fear of him, thus he was stationed apart from the group.
And what do you think about Jacob being Kelvin? He has that wavy hair and bulbous nose…?
Comment 480, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Kathy wrote:
Why is it obvious that Roger was Ben’s father? Maybe Emily was pregnant before she met Roger.
Comment 481, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
the first thing i thought when ben returned to the dharma camp to find them all dead, was that some how by killing his father, he caused their deaths as well. as in, nestor knew of his power, planned to cultivate it over 20 yrs, and convinced ben to use it against his co-habitors. along the same lines as the afore mentioned “baby issues” being caused by something in his mind. the reference to his watch just meant he had planned it ahead of time.
i wonder if he will return to a camp full of dead others?
also
what if the sonic fence also acted as a gaurd against the age-defying aspects of the island? like the circle around the cabin, this “circle” could allow dharmites to age (and remain oblivious to that aspect of the island.)
and
i’ve looked at every screen cap linked on this thread, and i’m suprised noone has compared jacob to ethan! especially in the doctored one w/ no hair. we’ve seen ethan in a lot of strange places/times. thoughts?
lastly
does anyone think alvar hanzo looks like barry gibb?
Comment 482, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
the purge had to have been at least 16 years ago because at that point Ben did not have Alex. So it is 2004 and Alex would have been born in 1988 and 20 years passed so he would have been there as a kid in 1978. Was there a date anywhere in the episode?
Comment 483, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
actually, upon further consideration, if jacob is alvar hanzo, and alvar hanzo is really barry gibb, then his “help me” would’ve been several octaves higher.
however, he has been “stayin’ alive” for quite a while…
thoughts, reprimands?
Comment 484, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
from the screen captures, it really does look like a monkey on alvar, i mean, jacob’s shoulder, but it doesn’t look like joop, who’s supposed to be an orangutan.
Comment 485, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
okay – anyone after comment #400 that says I’ve been thru all of the posts (and posts a coherent thought) has my heartfelt condolences… much of the good stuff happens because of these thinkers/facilitators/analysts. secondly I (we) apologize for all of the poop that happens in the first 50-100 ‘pre-air’ postings.
thirdly – the cars driving 32 whatever outside of portland were on the right side of the road, not the left, so not in Aussie, NZ or Engle-land… not sure about the rest.
Comment 486, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
man, i wish there was an editing-your-own-comments function on this blog. i would like to add that 2004 was the year of the monkey. this has probably been pointed out in the past.
Comment 487, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
violet wrote:
I didn’t think about that. Maybe Ben was “immaculately” conceived as well. I still find it strange that Locke and Ben’s mom’s have the same name. I think there is some sort of connection between them.
Comment 488, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow, great ep but, 465 comments in less than 23 hrs after the show aired. Please follow up Will w/ ur “pledge” to delete spoilers and ridiculous posts (the first 28 were posted prior to air time).
It pretty much has ALL been said (much of it way too many times), so I’ll apologize for repeating FM # 402 . . . Nothing stays buried on this Island.
Comment 489, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh BTW, does anyone else think Richard is Smokey ? He did just magically appear to young Ben right after the jungle “whispers”.
Expect Ethan to show up again also, as he and Richard may not age (or die).
Comment 490, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Danielle = Annie Theory
I’m gonna throw this one out there for y’all to build on or knock down. Feel free to do either.
Like somebody already said Dannie is a nickname for Danielle so why wouldn’t Annie be? We were never told Annie’s last name were we?
Danielle being little Annie could explain her knowledge of the island & lots of little things like how she knew Ben’s an other.
Maybe she’s been goin by Danielle for only 16 years or so (when Ben & Hostiles killed all Dharma people!). Or she could’ve gotten off the island lived with the French & came to the island with her group of scientists (oh and dharma’s a group of scientists too!) . She has never seen an other as Danielle only as Annie. she is using one of those things where when u go by a different name, nothing u did before going by that name matters anymore.
Lots of people have changed their name. ex. james ford = sawyer, ben = henry gail, kate = lucy. I like the ben & kate examples best cuz everything they knew & did as ben & kate didn’t matter when they were henry gail or lucy.
Comment 491, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
That was not Portland, Australia. People were driving cars on the left hand side.
Probably been said, but “Jacob” looks like the dude that got Ben’s dad the job at the island. Ben closes his eyes after the purge, their must be a reason behind the scene
Another thing is, was Ben able to hear Jacob? No, right. Yet he was able to see him. What does that say about Ben and Locke and their “place” in the island that one can only see the guy and the other can only hear him?
Comment 492, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
violet wrote:
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In DOC they said dollars rather than Korean currency cuz that’s easier to understand & u don’t have to do the how much in america math stuff. So they could’ve just done the miles instead of killometers so we don’t do as much work. But i think the sign just said “Portland 32″ too.
Horace Godspeed (his anagram is Escaped Good Hero…hint,hint to what i think about him & the purge) was american & recruitin people for Dharma (and y didn’t anybody have an accent? only americans?) in australia maybe.
Thank u Violet for posting! I’m now convinced Emily & Roger were in Australia!
Comment 493, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
joeliskey wrote:
exactly my thougts! =P lol
Comment 494, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lindsey wrote:
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who’s to say he didn’t have alex? he could’ve made sure she would be safe & hired a babysitter. i’m sure they have babysitters on the island. he could’ve been just about to kidnap her if he didn’t get a babysitter.
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violet wrote:
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that’s a joke right? i know the show makes u question everything if u start thinking about it to hard but “is roger really ben’s father?”? well i think that it was to obvious when they told us who Jack’s dad was too. & when cooper told sawyer he was the real sawyer. & every other time they’ve given us an answer.
please do not wast energy posting questions like that. unless u think u know who ben’s real dad is, don’t ask if roger is really ben’s dad. i finally read through all 491 comments minus mine (yay!) & i think i now have the right to say when something is a junk post. little/short posts r fine but questioning everything is a junk post.
i’m trying to be as kind as possible but staying up till 10:57 at night to get through 493 comments with 1/4 of them being junk comments can put u in a bit of a cranky mood.
Comment 495, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Brandon wrote:
Actually, it looks like Terry O’Quinn (aka John Locke) with a wig on. If I had to bet, I would say that the man Locke saw was himself.
Comment 496, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
You know what, you’ve got a point there! I myself have been looking for Danielle in this episode like crazy! And thought maybe Jacob was her, before I saw his silhouette! Why I was looking for her? Because according to the producers Danielle was to appear in all last 4 episodes this season! Something they emphasised! And this was a bit strange since she wasn’t seemingly present in the man behind the curtain! So I though that there is a clue in producers’ comment, which we should search for! Like the way they said that we had seen the monster long before we saw Smokey without realising it, and by that they meant Walt talking backwards! So I’m with you on this one! Maybe that’s why he raises her daughter as well, who might actually very well be his own daughter after all!
Comment 497, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
You know what, I reckon Jacob looks a lot like Jacks dad!
Comment 498, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Ok, I knocked up a pic of Christian Shepherd (Jack’s dad) and Jacob side by side
http://www.postyourimage.com/view_image.php?img_id=88EH9dDQqyhaZ9n1178871238
Comment 499, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Good job! You are on to something there! dont they also show the “eye” of Jacob? Right after he throws Ben on the wall and Ben looks at Locke!
Comment 500, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’m new to the blog, hi everyone.
I have an observation that I haven’t seen posted yet. I’ve watched this episode 5or 6 times in slow motion and in the cabin right after John says “You don’t know anything” and then looks down at the chair, for a split second there is a brown/”tanish” color rope that comes into the frame from the bottom left/center as if it is being “flicked by a wrist”. However, John is not holding a rope and neither is Ben. This right before John heads for the door. Thoughts? Ponderings? A mishap on the set that didn’t get edited? A quip at being “roped in”? : ) It interests me because it happens right before events escalate.
Also,I have an idea that because Dharma was formulated to “save mankind” from extinction, that “Jacob”, because of superior genetics and the breakthrough in longevity (Joop) is the biological father (through sperm donation) of most of the characters exhibiting a “Bad Father” issue. (Not Jack though, and that’s why he’s “Not on Jacob’s list”.)
Possible supports for this theory:
1) Women/couples could have been approached to voluntarily become pregnant for a sum of money perhaps or for another valuable reason to the women/couple. (Claire’s mother, Locke’s mother, Ben’s mother, Juliette’s sister, Danielle, Kate’s mother, Sawyer’s mother, (Sawyer’s partner off the island who states she’s pregnant to Kate), Ana Lucia was pregnant at one point, Walt’s mother…
2) One of the companies off the island manufactures pregnancy tests.
3) Dharma’s idea was to create a master race who was supremely intelligent and lived longer in order to avoid making the pivotal mistakes the equation predicts, plus live long enough to infiltrate most areas of power in the outside world and therefore maintain control of key decisions in world power.
Comment 501, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Quick point (sorry if it’s been made before) about Richard not aging (looking the same when Ben was young).
When Ben tells him it’s his birthday he says something like “Do you even remember birthdays” perhaps suggesting Richard doesn’t have birthdays anymore as he doesn’t age…
Comment 502, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Doesn’t anyone else wonder the significance of the name Jacob? When I was watching, I was considering a reference to Jacob’s Ladder – The biblical Patriarch dreamed of a ladder or gateway that bridged earth to Heaven. This Island has to be something akin to this and the River Styx in Greek Mythology. It separates the living from the dead, and it is the only place where the two cross paths. It is near impossible for the living to find this river (like the island), and, if they do, it is difficult to find the way back. This is why babies can’t be born there if they were conceived on the island – death cannot make life. But babies that were conceived off the island can be born, because they died. Which is why children are such a hot commodity. They actually grow, unlike anyone else on the island. They never age because they are dead. The Dharma initiative was messing with this portal, this place where life and death meet.
Leading back into Jacob, these dead “natives” are following Ben because he can hear Jacob. They are trying to find a way to salvation, and they believe Jacob will show them the way. That’s why Locke is important. If he also has the ability to hear Jacob, then they don’t have to rely on Ben anymore to find the way. It also makes sense on why the Others allow some people into their group and banish the rest (Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, everyone). If the “Others” are trying to find a way to salvation, Heaven, whatever, then they don’t want these sinners to be a part of their group (and it is quite obvious that the people left on the beach have sinned or are flawed in some of the worst ways possible).
Does this make sense to anyone else, or does anyone have similar feelings? So it’s kind of purgatory, but kind of not.
“According to some versions, Styx had miraculous powers and could make someone immortal. Achilles may have been dipped in it in his childhood, acquiring invulnerability.”
“This river Styx served as a crossroads where the world of the living met the world of the dead, and the world of the mortal met the world of the immortal. Greek Mythology Gods, mortals, and great heroes and villains made their way across the river Styx. Some crossed the river many times, but for most, it was a one way trip.”
Comment 503, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
See my earlier entry – Annie is Danielle, who left the island to successfully deliver her baby in France and then returned with Alex. Lots of people have lighter, redder hair as children that darkens as they grow up.
And Jacob is Magnus Hanso, not Alvar.
But why didn’t more Dharma women get on that submarine to go have their babies safely? Or to bring back some birth control?
Comment 504, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
I have to disagree here. I thought it was a realistic idea. I for one have never believed that Cooper is really Locke’s father. I still don’t. He is the person that Locke thinks is his father. At the same time he might have been “immaculately” concieved. Just because Roger was there doesn’t mean that he was Ben’s father. She could have had an affair or her own secrets. I am noty going to get all into this because I had already answered this post. I just think that it could also be a possibility. It might explain why Roger was such an ass! Maybe HE knew he wasn’t Ben’s father. What kind of dad would blame their child like that? In a real world, he would have loved Ben because his Emily would have wanted him too. It’s not the first time a mother has died giving birth but how often do we see a father act like a total jackass?
Comment 505, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
joeliskey: agreed, there are gibb brothers on the island. ;)
tasha: i seriously doubt roger wasn’t ben’s father. granted, the show does force one to question EVERYTHING, but i find no reasonable evidence for believing that Roger and Ben are NOT blood related. I find it very plausible that a man so consumed by the love of his wife would become a drunk who took his sadness and anger out on the only thing he had connecting him to that horrible and tragic event-his son who was born and in doing so killed his mother.
ANNIE IS NOT DANIELLE! There are the already listed and obvious reasons that they aren’t the same person, ACCENT, PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION, AGE..etc. Aside from the fact that their NAMES ARE DIFFERENT and Danielle told a completely different story abot how she got to the island. We were given no indication whatsoever that the two people were in fact the same person. Gosh, I’m getting so tired of reading that again and again…
Comment 506, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Terry wrote:
DO YOU WATCH LOST?
Comment 507, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
what happened to the interacial couple??
Comment 508, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
MD wrote:
he was in a sailboat race and got ship wrecked.
Comment 509, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I am wondering if we know Alex’s birthday yet (fake or real). Perhaps she was told she had the same birthday (maybe Ben stole her as a gift for himself). Anyway, maybe he told Alex her mother died during birth. Now that she knows or at least was told by Sayid that her mother is ALIVE, perhaps she wants revenge, so gave Locke the gun.
I also wonder this…where do the Others think Alex came from-they must KNOW she was kidnapped and adopted by Ben, right? ALSO, why doesn’t Alex doubt Ben’s claim to be her father-she knows the mother’s die before fetus is viable. SO-maybe we are mistaken when we assume she was lied to-well partly. MAYBE, Ben always told her he adopted her when her mother died (Danielle). But now I’m confusing myself, did Alex have any pics of her ’supposed’ mother? Whoever Ben claimed was her mother?
Comment 510, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Couple of questions about this episode. 1. If all the dharma people were killed by the sarin gas, why then when locke fell into the pit of the dead people, one of the skulls looked like it had a bullet hole. 2. Has anyone noticed that the real name of a person, Jon Locke, was an actor in the TV show Land of the Lost and played the leader of the sleestacks who had the ability to mess with time. 3. I hear that some people think that smokey was comming out when locke shined the flashlight on the chair. I dont know about others but all my cheap flashlights have darkspot in the middle, that cast a black shadow in the eye of the beam.
As for all the bodies being found dead. Either that is their ultimate fate or its a messed up timeline on the island.
Comment 511, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Emily and Roger were NOT in Australia, the cars were driving on RIGHT side of road, not left.
Comment 512, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Interesting theory on the Greek mythology parallel (see comment # 502) although I’m not sure the Losties are actually dead. It’s possible to be mortal ON the Island, as Ben arrived as a young boy and has aged to middle age. It does fit nicely w/ the impossibility of LEAVING the Island unless of course, you are immortal (ex. Richard and Ethan). Therefore, if the pregnant mothers that conceived ON Island are unable to deliver, they must already be among the dead. BUT, they are searching for a pregnant mother who conceived ON Island AND is alive, which will be proven upon successful delivery (Sun perhaps).
Side thought: I wonder if Locke was born prematurely like Ben? And which Portland Ben was born near I don’t think matters, only that it was the same Portland to which Richard coerced Julliete (I’ll assume Oregon since they were all apparently within the US at the time AND the couple that helped Roger along the road was obviously a late 60’s early 70’s hippie w/ no distinctive accent).
Mardacara: Remember, Ben could NOT hear Jacob, otherwise he wouldn’t have been so adamant extracting what he said to Locke after he shot him. The producers made it very clear there was a shift of power from Ben to Locke from the scenes at the Others camp and I agree about Ben wanting to eliminate the threat. However, he should know that Locke may instantly heal and expose Ben’s attempted murder and unability to communicate completely w/ Jacob (perceived as a weakness).
So MANY issues to resolve – sorry for the long post.
Comment 513, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Everyone keeps saying Locke is the Man Behind the Curtain, especially since Locke called him that. But I feel like that is not true –Either Jacob is the REAL man behind the curtain, running things from the cabin and disguising himself as Smokey examine people -OR- Richard Alpert is the REAL man behind the
curtain!!! He is the same age, the only one who has remained the same age on island–at least so far that we’ve seen. He went and etched the people that were ‘recruited’ i.e. Juliet. He also was the one to motivate Locke to go get Sawyer to do his work.
Comment 514, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Steve Temple wrote:
omg! i didn’t think it looked lik christian B4 & thought y’all were crazy for think so but whoa! it does sorta!
Comment 515, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Kathy wrote:
yea so jacob is bens real dad and locke is “joeseph” bens brother, thats why ben and locke had to kill their fake fathers. and thats probly why their fathers were assholes because the kids werent really theirs. oo and the person that posted about it not being true is wrong, because they make too many references about god(like when alexes boyfriend said, “god loves you as he loved jacob”) and it follows the story almost perfectly.
Comment 516, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Alright, it’s time for a REALLLLLLLY LOOOOOOOONNNNNG comment!!!! Happy Reading :)
Ben, Ben, Ben:
Ben’s b-day issues – Y does the man have such a hostile (couldn‘t resist that one) attitude on his birthday? does Ben always kill on his birthday cuz he feels like it’s his fault his mother died & his dad never celebrated his b-day? I might be makin to big of a deal out of it, but if it weren’t such a big deal they wouldn’t mention it over & over again in TMBTC. And by the way, I don’t think that Roger (ben’s daddy dearest) forgot Ben’s birthday every year. To Roger it was more of the anniversary of his wife’s death. Roger remembered his son’s birthday but blamed Ben for Emily’s death. Ben was born 2 months early & Emily died. (I rewatched One Of Them today. Now I think that Benry’s face went soft when Sayid said he was lyin cuz if Benry had buried the woman he luved he would remember every minute of it Because Roger remembered every second of his wife’s last moments & obviously Ben got a lot of crap from that too. And possibly annie but I think she could be danielle)
Ben’s birthday present – Everybody asumed it was from annie, but could it be from Alex. U know, one of those little homemade presents little kids give to their parents for birthdays & holidays that are really just a piece of junk but moms & dads still love to display. Now that Alex is growin up & rebelling against him it means more to him then it did B4 & it’s his b-day so he’s goin thru old gifts he’s held onto.
Ben shooting locke in chest/gut – Ben didn’t shoot Locke in the chest or head cuz he wanted his answer before Locke died. Libby died when she was shot in the gut 2x too. Oh, and she was able to live through it for a couple more hours afterwords!!! I really don’t know if he’s dead or not. Sadly, I’m kinda leaning towards dead. But if there is gonna be a game changer at the season finale, I guess it would be us all thinking that Locke is dead since he doesn‘t show up for 1 ½ eps & then he shows up & kills ben!
Jacob, Jacob, Jacob:
- I was expecting a real person, at the very least a mouse that could talk. I thought Jacob would talk to Lock while Jacob was in the chair so that Locke couldn’t see him. But man was I wrong!
- Since Jacob may not be real at all & the name of the ep is Wizard of Oz related, I thought I’d throw this one out here. I don’t think it has been discussed yet.
The title of the show was “Man Behind The Curtain”. Ben & Locke were only in 1 room. There appeared to be other rooms. Was there a man (Richard maybe?) in another room creating the voice, shot we see of Jacob (through like a hologram or something crazy like that), & shaking house? Ben wouldn’t let Locke take the flashlight in there were no lights on, cuz then all the props would be revieled. Jacob has been a hoax for many years & Richard told Ben & they together are Jacob. There once again is no Great & Powerful Oz, he’s just a hoax. L oh and this means he had a flyin monkey w/ him too!
- who played Jacob? Anybody find that out or catch it? i really need to know!!!!!
- Is Ben really THAT crazy that he would make up Jacob? I can see power hungry Ben getting Richie (can I call Richard Alpert that? Or how bout Al? I like Al better. I’ll use that one next time.) to help him make “Jacob” the man who controls the island. I can see Al telling Ben all about this great & powerfull Jacob & then once Ben has proved himself (by killin his father) Al finally tells Ben the sad & awful truth: Jacob is a hoax they use to keep everybody in line.
- Jacob is a friend of Jack Sparrow! That’s my 2nd choice. Johnny Depp is gonna do a cameo on the show as a pirate or w/ someone who appears to be Jacob & there will be a monkey with them & they all turn into bones together at night & drink rum! They decided to search for Mu (south american version of atlantis) after getting the treasure! =P
Comment 517, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone notice that RICHARD has 4 fingers in one foot? EXACTLY the same as the statue that sayid,jin & sun saw on season 2 finale!
Comment 518, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
We saw Annie give young Ben the box that had the two figures in it on his birthday in the episode. There is no argument to be made that it “could be” from anyone else. She carved them, wrapped them and then gave them to Ben. Ben then took that box home with him which reminded his father that it was his birthday.
Alex did not give him the gift, she wasn’t even born yet. Rewatch the episode Lostchicka, you’ll catch it.
So far there hasn’t been any credit recognition given to the actor playing the Jacob. So, looks like we’re all going ot have to wait and find out later.
Comment 519, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FARSEER wrote:
Four fingers on one foot? What does that even mean?
Comment 520, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Remember the statue that sayid and sun/jin saw at season 2 finale? i didnt want to mean fingers, i dont know how to say it since my english sucks :P but somewhere i’ve read that jacob/richard (both,or one of them?) has four “dunno how to say” on the feet.
Comment 521, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
thanx. i was really tired during the show & i think i fell asleep for a couple minutes. now i know where. thanx!
Comment 522, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
FARSEER wrote:
the word is “toes” and really?! when did u catch that!?
Comment 523, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
took me super long to read, here goes:
-there have been some posts about ben’s birthday in december and his birth in a warm time, parents hiking, etc
well, i think it is b/c flashbacks are from the person on the island’s point of view, so ben was “remembering” his birth
-this is kind of far out, but maybe jacob had on a high tech suit a la US military, that has cameras on the back and minitv screens on the front so the person is invisible, i know, its far out
-why do people think that kelvin was for sure really originally dharma, but i think it is likely that he was just like Mikhail
-finally, Josh, i might be biased b/c my personal theory of the island revolves around quantum physics explanations, but quantum physics ARE our current understanding of physics, so it really isn’t that far fetched
Please Comment! esp on the ben’s birth theory
Comment 524, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
Tina, please don’t get your panties in a bunch. Where do YOU have evidence that Uncle Rico (Roger) is Ben’s biological father? What you say is a reasonable explanation, but the other side is equally as valid.
Lost is a show that reminds us to stay open-minded. Just because you believe an issue is closed, doesn’t mean it really is. How many times have you thought something was obvious when it turned out one of the characters lied or the obvious was an illusion?
The same with the Annie and Rousseau link. Rousseau’s shown us that she lied about killing her crew. At first she insisted they died from a “sickness.” How do we know she’s not insane and affected enough to put on an accent? (Her accent isn’t even really French.) Maybe someone can re-watch season 1 and make sure that Sayid never called Rousseau “Annie,” because I seem to remember he did.
Comment 525, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
My guess is it was an unintentional spelling error. Wouldn’t be the first time there was an error in the props, er, excuse me, “set dressing”. Actually, if you had asked me prior to your post, I would have thought the correct spelling was with two n’s.
Comment 526, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
How exactly do you remember your birth? This isn’t the Butterfly Effect is it? I mean seriously, are flashbacks what the characters are remembering or what we need to know about the characters???
Comment 527, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
was kelvin noticably older in the bunker than he was in sayid’s flashback? could the sickness be extended life and the innoculations some sort of slow poison? could it be that dharma or jacob/hanzo/gibb doesn’t want anyone to get wise so they promote alcoholism and book clubs?
someone feel free to expand on the cerberus theory. or post a link to a current thread that does. does the location of the old cabin match the blast door map’s label for cerberus?
seems like that kind of confirmation might clear up the ring around the cabin/smokey’s bungaloe connection.
futher consideration on my part concludes that jacob is definetly not played by tommy shaw.
Comment 528, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Maybe I should clarify comment 526. It’s one thing for Ben to have heard stories about his birth and have his own vivid imagination, but details like “Portland 32″ would not be something Ben remembered. He also would not have known the people that helped him. Did he know his teacher was in the car that day as well?
I mean seriously, now that I think about it, what exactly are the flashbacks??? Would these people really remember so much in detail? Or are flashbacks for us to see things we wouldn’t know otherwise.
Maybe this has been discussed before so go ahead and lay it on me…”where have you been??”
Comment 529, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
sorry, inoculations.
Comment 530, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
i don’t know, don’t think i have seen it discussed before
i just thought maybe ben had stared at the picture of his mom and what his crappy dad told him and made up the scene in his head
or, maybe like the old movie, Powder, he has special powers and can remember (this seems less likely to me)
the flashback point of view is just something to consider, b/c whose pov it is will determine the way things are seen, explained, colors, exact phrases, etc
Comment 531, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Hey everyone. For some interesting facts about the dog painting….go to the link below.
http://blog.lostpedia.com/2007/05/mystery-mutt-revealed.html
Comment 532, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
innocuous is spelled with 2 “n”s :)
Comment 533, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
violet wrote:
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What a strange laguage, huh? This is why I don’t think anyone ever has to say “Sorry my English isn’t very good” – it’s hard enough for native English speakers to learn all the rules, I can’t imagine learning it as a second (or 3rd, or….) language.
Sorry for the off-topic post, FMGSteve :)
Comment 534, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
I think the flash-backs are for the viewers- to see how things happened. I don’t thnk they are meant to be the characters memories per se.
I do think that Roger was Ben’s real dad. It was pretty clear that he did not care too much for Ben. If he wasn’t the father, why would he have kept the baby after his wife died?
Comment 535, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
XR15 wrote:
Not that we have to believe this, but according to Lostpedia’s summary of the March 20 podcast, Ben and the Others had little to no knowledge about the Swan station.
Comment 536, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
kara wrote:
I believe D&C have clearly stated that “Lost” is not taking place in the mind of a character.
Comment 537, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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flashbacks are both. obviously his birht has given him a lot of guilt, it’s his birthday & he has no tape or pictures of it just stories so he’s picutring it in his head. who doesn’t watch their old baby videos or look at pictures of them in the hospital on they’re birthday? maybe it’s just my family.
i stil think that it might’ve been in australia. despite the car thing which i think was just a continuity error. or maybe they do want it to be anywhere in the world.
Comment 538, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
mardacara wrote:
In the episode “The Cost of Living” from earlier this season, Yemi appeared to Eko on the island, and this apparently was a manifestation of the smoke monster.
Comment 539, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I am not sure where all these “Ben kills on his b-day” statements are coming from. All I can tell is that he did it once- with his dad and the Dharma people. It was a day that he knew he could get his dad to take him along, to spend time with him. But, I don’t remember him killing anyone else- unless you wanna be like his father and say that he was somehow responsible for his mother’s death.
Comment 540, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
According to this picture from Lostpedia, http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/1/1b/DSC_0003.JPG/800px-DSC_0003.JPG
Henry Gale’s wife’s name is Jennifer.
Comment 541, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
shirteesdotnet wrote:
D&C and others responsible have said there will NOT be another Lost Experience this offseason.
Comment 542, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Another thing. I’m pretty sure that Annie and Roussou are not the same person (probably will take a Roussou flashback to convince some people though). If Roussou was Annie (as has been said) then why the accent? why live the way she does? she would know a lot more about the island and it’s properties…
Alex being Ben’s biological daughter (either by Annie or by Roussou) – also not convinced. I think she is Roussou’s daughter (why else pick actresses with such physical resemblance) and was stolen when she was a baby. The fact that everyone calls her Ben’s daughter is simple- he raised her and most people who adopt kids don’t refer to them as “my adopted kids” but simply as “my kids”.
Also, if Ben was the father, then Alex would have been conceived and born on the island and it has been said over and over again in the show that that does NOT happen.
Comment 543, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I feel compelled to correct one of my earlier posts from way back in which I said I thought I heard one of the Dharma kids in the classroom mention “prisoners.” It was Annie and upon rewatching last night, she clearly said “hostiles”. Sorry – I hate when that kind of stuff that didn’t really happen gets thrown out there. I am still waiting for some verification of this four-toed Richard (another example).
That leads me to another frequently stated “observation” I’ve noticed: the idea that Ben can’t hear Jacob. Ben clearly can hear Jacob when he is in a three way conversation with John, Jacob and himself, before the **** hits the fan (oops – Jacob wouldn’t have a fan). If Ben can’t hear Jacob then either he is simply crazy or he is putting on a show. If Jacob is real, then he is capable of directing his thoughts to specific people, at the exclusion of others.
Comment 544, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree with everyone (most recently MKS) that there is plenty of evidence against Danielle being Annie, and virtually no evidence that Danielle is Annie.
However, I think there is some significance to the fact that Annie made two dolls. The writers very easily could have had Annie make the one doll of her and give that to Ben, “so he would always have her with him”, to paraphrase what she said. But they specifically had her make two dolls and have her keep one. My guess is that we will see the second doll sometime in a future episode, maybe in a flashback of Ben’s that shows what ultimately happened to Annie. I don’t really have a reasonable guess about what happened to her, it’s possible she’s still alive, more likely that she’s dead (being that we haven’t seen her among the Others, unless the writers are gonna spring her on us like they did Paolo and Nikki), but I don’t think she died during the purge. It seems like if she did die during the purge, they would have made a point of having at least a brief scene with Ben standing over her dead body and closing her eyes.
Comment 545, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Seajam wrote:
No need to apologize – that’s an honest mistake.
As far as 4-toed Richard – I don’t know if this is true, I couldn’t see his foot very clearly on the TV and I haven’t seen a screen cap on the internet yet.
Regarding Ben not hearing Jacob – the point was that Ben didn’t hear Jacob say “Help Me”, which happened to be the only thing that Locke heard Jacob say.
Comment 546, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
desmondo wrote:
I’ve posted for weeks that I think Locke = Jacob. Clearly the writers are fiction/horror fans (King is everywhere). Clive Barker is his contemporary, and Imajica, his opus, centers on a character who is a savior, a “great man” who had an “immaculate” birth. This man lived for centuries, doesn’t know it (through the first 500 pages of the book), travels between dimensions and has time/space “visions.”
Locke saw a reflection of himself in that chair. Nate (and others) have done a good job with the stills to demonstrate this is plausible. Locke is not only Jacob, but he, like Imajica’s savior, has lived many lives that he has for some reason forgotten. This makes him possibly Hanso too, and his return to the island in present day on flight 815 a homecoming of sorts.
The flashlight, when engaged, caused a small but significant electromagnetic surge, throwing the room into disarray.
Imajica, in the end, is about one word, Reconciliation. Isn’t that what Locke’s “path” is about? Desmonds? All others who are “Lost?”
Comment 547, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
does anyone think Alpert is perhaps some sort of bad angel that has trapped a good angel (Jacob) in that cabin with a circle around it? Alpert is ageless, everywhere, and seems to be the real person running the show. Jacob seems to be powerful, feared, has healing abilities (perhaps he is what gives the island all of its magic?) yet at the same time trapped in that cabin and asking for Locke’s help. Ben is just sort of a leader because he can communicate with Jacob (Alpert can’t go in there as he is whatever sort of thing Jacob is).
Comment 548, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Maybe Jacob is one of the original Islanders, the one’s who preceded Alpert, Dharma, Others (hostiles), Losties, and everyone else. He could be one of the original people who had a civilization, build the four-toes statues and had some kind of magical/ extraordinary powers. That could explain why he is so old (even if he ages slower than normal people).
Comment 549, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I’m pretty sure the shirt Hurley gave Desmond to wear was tie-dyed!
Comment 550, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I can’t believe that Locke is Jacob. Ben seemed to be having a live conversation with the man in the chair while Locke stood by watching.
Some interesting things about the 11 stills showing Jacob. He is definitely old. His clothing, for one, is at least from the 19th century. Also, The shadow on his face that some believed was Joop sitting on his shoulder kind of looks like a cat to me, or like a hole or some type of decomposing of his head – a flaw that would make anyone not want to be seen, right?! haha Or even more goofy – maybe he has a parrot on his shoulder? He could come from the Brig – a ratchety, cranky old slave-trader who despises technology but loves the immortality of the island.
Could LOST, in some future season, take us on a flashback to a 1700’s era slave trade where we meet Jacob?!!!
Comment 551, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Simon wrote:
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I’ll concede that there is within the realm of possibilities the slightest chance that Roger isn’t Ben’s biological father, though I find it farfetched at best.
as far as Rousseau goes:
1. Her accent is not french, agreed. Her accent is actually Serbian (as been discussed in a previous thread on this site) because the actress playing her, Mira Furlan is Serbian. However, I don’t think that Darlton went beyond their powers to find a French actress to play the role simply to maintain the continuity of the accents.
2. As far as her lies go: she said that her crew got infected by a sickness and because they were infected she had to kill them. I don’t find any continuity error/lie in that. I agree that she is nuts, but she hasn’t proven to be a liar so far in the series. When she captured Sayid initially she asked him what she wanted, believed his answers and then agreed to help the castaways throughout the series when it served her needs. Sayid, IMO the most trustworthy character on the show, trusts her and that’s enough for me. Sayid never in Season 1,2, or 3 called her “annie”. He calls her either “Danielle”, “Rousseau”, or on one or two occasions, “The French Woman”. Hurley refers to her as the “French Chick” and others refer to her by either he first or last name. So besides the time line being wrong, her hair color being wrong, her accent being wrong, and her story being wrong, exactly where is there a legitimate reason for thinking she might be Annie, shipped away from the island at an impressionable enough age to gain an accent and few years to come back pregnant, make up a story about being shipwrecked, and have her crewe sickened/killed, and her baby stolen?
My panties are perfectly fine, thank you.
Comment 552, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
WARNING LONG POST:
Okay well since everyone is bringing up Ben’s Bday….this kind of goes back to me and my theories from season 1 and 2 which have blown up in my face this season.
December 22 is his bday right?
December 22 is also what the Mayans predicted would be the end of the world. Okay so not the end of the world but the end of the Mayan calender. There are alot of theories out there about how there will be some sort of energy shift or a black hole opening on this date in the year 2012.
Here is one theory….
The Earth nexus is the point where the multidimensional multiverse has come to learn many lessons, including ones of free will/choice and how to transform and transmute poor choices into choices that serve the greatest and highest good of all.
It is also around the date of the galactic solstice which happens once every 64,000 years(something like that…not really sure but thousands of years!)
On this date the Sun would be in the ‘exact center of the Milky Way, the Galactic Equator. The Mayan thought this dark cleft of the Milky Way had mythical significance.
I have studied so much into this mayan calender end date BECAUSE of Lost. There are tons of info on the web and even youtube has some stuff. Point is this went along with my ancient time theories and seeing the Mayan calender in the orientation video.
Who knows just throwing the date out there!
Comment 553, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Amend my previous post. Mira Furlan is actually Yugoslavian and is referred to to as the French woman because she speaks French.
Comment 554, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Have any links? Sounds really interesting.
Comment 555, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Steve Temple wrote:
Thanks for doing that. I think it pretty well shows that Christian is not Jacob. Their noses and foreheads are noticeably different.
Comment 556, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I must have missed something- how do we know that it is December 22nd?
Comment 557, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
Have any links? Sounds interesting
(sorry Tina, just joking, I hope you’re not offended)
Comment 558, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Here are a few Tina
http://www.circlesoflight.com/reality-creation/world-end.html
http://survive2012.com/why_2012_maya.php
YOu really are going to have to google it yourself because there are different sites that are more legite than others…
Try
2012 end of world
Mayan calender 2012
In you tube type in
“2012″
some say it’s Dec.21 and some say Dec 22 but point is it’s around that time…I should have never brought this up…but my husband and I know the dates well. We believe the Mayans LOL.
Comment 559, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
MKS wrote:
I have no clue…I have been reading that in the comments LOL. I have no idea where everyone got the date from.
Comment 560, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Sorry this is the last other links! I don’t want to be yelled at for being off subject!
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/mayan-calendar.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6wI3Pbolbw&mode=related&search=
Comment 561, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Hey, I’m proud to rock my Barack Obama for President panties. ;)
Comment 562, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Bobbi first mentioned it in post #265. I’m not sure if it’s exactly correct, but it’s pretty close.
Comment 563, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
LOVED THIS EPISODE! CLEARLY THE BEST ONE OF THE SEASON!
QUESTION THOUGH:
SO WE KNOW THAT ALEX IS BEN AND ROUSSEAU’S DAUGHTER CORRECT? BUT DIDNT ROUSSEAU GET ON THE ISLAND BECUASE HER BOAT CRASHED? SO THAT MEANS ALEX WAS CONCEIVED HERE ON THE ISLAND…..DIDNT JULIET SAY THAT THE MOMS AND BABIES DIE IF THEY ARE CONCEIVED ON THE ISLAND???
Comment 564, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
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LOL works for me!
Comment 565, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
I think the 12/22 comes into play because of the way people are tracking the episodes in real time versus the date 815 crashed.
After some mathematical gymnastics, they’re coming up with that date.
Comment 566, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Lauren wrote:
We don’t know if Ben is the biological father of Alex. Danielle claimed she was shipwrecked pregnant and after she gave birth, her daughter Alex was stolen by the Others. The Alex we met is assumed to be this daughter and her parentage is in question.
Comment 567, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
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They really make them you know. Did you read the comment that responded to? I imagine so, I didn’t think that was very necessary. i didn’t tell him to get his jock strap out of a bunch.
Comment 568, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
ok so who is jacob? on youtube they had the part were it flashes someone in a chair and they slowed it down and it looked like jacks brother. and in another video they had all the times jacob was mentioned before. but who is he and why can ben hear him but locke heard help me and ben couldnt hear?
Comment 569, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
So I think that Omar Kemel (446) is onto something with Ben and multiple personality disorder. He certainly had enough trauma in his life for something like that to happen. And he is a manipulator and a lier–serious personality flaws and also linked to psychopathology. If there is some kind of ability for some to manifest things on the island and one of those people happens to be smart, resourceful AND mentally ill–they could potentially pull off something like what happened in “Jacob’s” cabin.
Also–did anyone else think it was strange that Juilette knew what would be on the other side of the tape? If the tape was recorded then was stolen by Locke and given to Sawyer, who played it just as J&J walked up–how did she know what Ben was going to say? Continuity error??
Comment 570, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Jason wrote:
That is the $64,000 question Jason! Check out DocH theory posted in thread right before this. He makes a good argument for Jacob being Alpert and other people think he might be Magnus Hanso, Alvar Hanso, Locke in the future or some guy we haven’t met yet. Who do you think he is?
Comment 571, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
I dont know. Someone a while ago made a reference to the bible. And i kinda beleive that because jacob had two sons benjamin and joseph. when his wife gave birth to benjamin she died and said name him benjamin. well i think joseph is john locke. thats why hes not in a wheel chair anymore because hes “special” and they want him to be an other. both of them had to kill their fathers too. because i think jacob is their father. but i dont know. What do you think?
Comment 572, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Annemoonstar wrote:
I believe she knew Ben was going to leave her a reply. He was asking about it in this episode- if someone had returned the taperecorder to the station where Juliette would pick it up. I also think that is where Jack and Juliette had gone. To see if there was a reply yet from Ben to the message she had left him.
Comment 573, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Annemoontar – I don’t think there is anything strange about Juliet knowing what would be on the other side of the tape. Her and Ben discussed the plan several episodes before, along with Claire’s sickness. It was the established way that Ben would communicate with Juliet.
I am coming around to share your and Omar’s (among others) opinion that Jacob is a manifestation created by Ben. When he was young and first met Richard, Richard took a great interest in Ben saying that he saw his dead mother. Ben (via the people we were calling The Others at the time) took a great interest in Walt, who also demonstrated some paranormal abilities. They took the Tailies’ kids very early but waited a long time before they snatched Walt. Then they started experimenting on him. Maybe Ben is not necessarily psycho but paranormaly-inclined.
Comment 574, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Nice, i too had the theory that Jack’s dad would turn out to be Jacob… however i just took the enhanced photo from the tail section:
http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-news/clearest-picture-of-jacob-yet.php
and did some overlay comparisons with the photo of Christian S. Unfortunately there are some major features that don’t even come close to matching. I think that blows our theory out of the water unfortunately :(
Comment 575, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
This scripture hasn’t been quoted yet:
It is taken from Jacob’s blessing to his son, Benjamin.
Genesis 49:27 “Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.”
Comment 576, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
A lot of people seem to be questioning if Annie is Danielle because we’ve been led to believe Danielle is Alex’s mother. Is it possible that Annie is actually Alex’s mother and Danielle and the Losties assumed incorrectly that Danielle is Alex’s mother. Annie and Ben would have been old enough at the time of the purge to have conceived a child. Ben might have made provisions to ensure Annie and/or Alex would have survived the gasing.
Comment 577, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
T-bird wrote:
Why then would the creators of the show cast an actress to play Alex who looks so much like Mira Furlan? Aside from the mothers and babies die who conceive on island problem, I find it implausible that Annie and Ben are Alex’s parents.
Maybe Ben and Annie conceived a child pre or post purge and she died from the complications and that’s what spawned Ben’s fertility experimentation and why he kidnapped Alex in the first place. I think that makes more sense.
Comment 578, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
T-bird wrote:
This go back to- there have been no women able to conceive on the island and give birth. This has been a major point. Roussou would have conceived Alex off the island- thus no problems with the birth. Annie would have conceived on the island and died during birth (which might have happened- something we might see in a future flashback, explaining why Annie wasn’t there when the place was gassed).
Comment 579, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina- seems like we had the same idea ;-)
Comment 580, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
MKS wrote:
Great minds and all that stuff..:)
Comment 581, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
Seajam wrote:
As for Ben hearing Jacob: Jacob’s “Help me” heard by Locke was quite loud and Ben really needed to know after he shot Locke. Ben looked like he could have been interpreting Jacob by his body language and paraphrasing what he thought Jacob was trying to tell him. He could see but NOT hear Jacob.
Comment 582, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
while it is a little out there, i like the idea that vincent is someone important
i understand why rose and bernard are not in most episodes, they have other things to do, but why not vincent?
it seems like it would be really easy to just put him in random scenes at the beach, but TPTB don’t
he is usu only in scenes wehre he is impt, like trying to show the losties paulikki were still alive
is there any book/movie/short story/poem/etc that has to do w/ a dog being the one in charge?
sorry if this has been discussed in previous seasons, i only started reading this blog this season :)
Comment 583, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
As for Locke=Jacob: Don’t think so, Jacob has presumably been “On Island” for quite a while and Locke has obviously been to Australia (at least in this lifetime).
Comment 584, posted 2 years, 9 months ago - Quote and reply
**Warning – long post**
Has anyone else caught this as well yet?
“ I have an observation that I haven’t seen posted yet. I’ve watched this episode 5or 6 times in slow motion and in the cabin right after John says “You don’t know anything” and then looks down at the chair, for a split second there is a brown/”tanish” color rope? that comes into the frame from the bottom left/center as if it is being “flicked by a wrist”. However, John is not holding a rope and neither is Ben. This is right before John heads for the door. Thoughts? Ponderings? A mishap on the set that didn’t get edited? A quip at being “roped in”? : ) It interests me because it happens right before events escalate.”
Some clarifications:
1) “God loves you the way he once loved Jacob” – I don’t believe this god is the same as the biblical God since the God of the bible never stopped loving Jacob. Jacob is also the patriarch of the 12 tribes of Israel.
2) Biblical Jacob loved biblical Benjamin. Biblical Benjamin was the brother of biblical Joseph who was sold into slavery by the rest of their half brothers. When Joseph was presumed dead by Jacob due to the lie perpetrated by the brothers, Jacob became incredibly protective of Benjamin because he was the only child he had left by Rachel.
3) Biblical twins (Jacob and Essau) Essau was not favored by God. Jacob and Essau became rivals due to Jacob tricking Essau out of his birthright as the first born son. Essau went against the family’s tradition in marrying a woman from a tribe that did not worship the God of Abraham.
*Opinion: biblical Jacob doesn’t have much to do with LOST Jacob but is ‘loosely’ based on the biblical Jacob in some ways. Why? Because the show pulls from many different religions and belief systems to be so one sided about Jacob.
4) Wizard of Oz – didn’t have monkeys. The witch had monkeys.
Observations & Opinions:
1) Someone commented that in the shot of “Jacob” it looks like a cat on his shoulder rather than a flip of hair. I agree. I believe it may be a cat and not a monkey.This could be the same cat Sayid has seen from his past and also at the place they find Mikail.
2) In my opinion Alex giving John the gun was because everyone heard that John and Ben were heading out together to find Jacob. I think she was trying to protect John because there is at least the suggestion that the Others are beginning to favor Locke. Now it’s dangerous for John because Ben and the Others in my opinion are testing John’s immortality and qualifications to fulfill a prophecy they’ve been waiting for. If John doesn’t “fit the bill” so to speak, Ben will kill him because he knows too much.
3) In my opinion, I’m beginning to question whether the ashes/powder we saw at the cabin is a gun powder or explosive substance set by Danielle as she loves to set traps. Ben may have just looked with contempt at “one of Danielle’s traps” and stepped over it and thought nothing more of it. (Still chewing on that one)
4) In my opinion, Ben shooting John was a test of John’s immortality.
5) Observation: When things got crazy in the cabin there were a lot