The Lost Watchmen Theory
3 years, 11 months ago by AndreasRead more: Alvar Hanso, Dharma, Lost Experience, Lost Theories, The Hanso Foundation
This article reveals parts of Alan Moore’s “The Watchmen”
Since Lost co-creator and showrunner Damon Lindelof has said “The Watchmen is the greatest piece of popular fiction ever produced”, I decided to take a closer look at Alan Moore’s masterpiece, The Watchmen, and I found many similarities between the popular graphic novel and Lost.
In particular, I found many similarities with the recently released Hanso Exposed video featuring non other than Alvar Hanso.
The story of the Dharma Initiative
As we learn in the Hanso Exposed video, the story behind Dharma starts like this:
The United States and The Soviet Union had almost fulfilled the promise of mutual assured destruction through nuclear war, but after the Cuban missile crisis, both nations decided to find a solution.
The solution was the Valenzetti Equation which predicted the exact number of years and months until humanity would extinguish itself. Enzo Valenzetti gave numerical values to the core environmental and human factors in his equation. Those numerical values where 4 8 15 16 23 42.
In The Watchmen, a character named Adrian Veidt forms a theory that war and environmental damage will lead to humanity’s destruction in the mid-1990s. This is how he describes the situation:
Both sides realized the suicidal implications of nuclear conflict, yet couldn’t stop racing towards it lest their opponents should overtake them. Afraid of their weapons, afraid of losing them, afraid to blink or turn their backs…
Meanwhile, expensive arsenals meant less cash to spend on their old, their sick and homeless; on their children’s educations. As stockpiles grew, as computers reduced human involvement, the spectre of accidental apocalypse staled ever closer.
Simply given the mathematics of the situation, sooner or later conflict would be inevitable!
The one true way
It appears that The United States and The Soviet Union decided to ignore the Valenzetti Equation and the possible end of the world it prophesied. This is where Alvar Hanso came into the picture.
Believing in the Valenzetti Equation, Hanso took it upon himself to save the world before it was too late and used his massive fortune to create DHARMA, the Department of Heuristics and Research on Material Applications. Dharma also stands for “the one true way” and is an indication of Alvar Hanso’s belief and commitment to the Dharma Initiative.
The mission of the Dharma Initiative was to change one or more of the Valenzetti Equation’s numerical values to prove that the equation was wrong and that the end of the world could be prevented if one of the human or environmental factors was changed. As Alvar Hanso puts it “the fate of the human race is in your hands”. As we know, the island where the Dharma scientists try to fulfill their mission is the same island that flight 815 crashed on in Lost.
However, at least in the eyes of Mittelwerk (the scientist at the end of the Hanso Exposed video), who has taken over after Hanso, the Dharma Initiative failed. They where not able to change any of the numbers and now Mittelwerk has decided to “take radical action” by creating a virus which will kill 30% of the world’s population.
According to their calculations, unleashing a virus which kills 30% of the world’s total population and keeps on killing 30% of all new born humans would stop overpopulation, famine, war and poverty. They are doing this to save humanity. They are “the good ones”.
Just like Alvar Hanso, Adrien Veidt in The Watchmen bought an island where he kept scientists and artists who where working on creating a solution to save humanity from destruction. He also demonstrated similar ideas to those of Mittelwerk, still talking about the nuclear crisis as in the quote above:
Without a practical solution at hand, what use was it to suddenly notice the perils of the situation?
Similarly, a solution would be equally useless… unless one possessed the muscle to back it up; the brute power to see one’s will implemented.
The muscle Veidt was talking about was his elaborate plan to fool The United States and The Soviet Union into stop fighting each other by making them join forces against a fake alien invasion.
To reach this goal, the scientists on Veidt’s secret island cloned the brain of a murdered psychic and used it to create a large psyonic creature which Veidt teleports to New York, where it explodes due to the teleportation. When exploding, the creature releases a psychic shockwave with images so violent that half the population of New York dies and many survivors become insane.
In The Watchmen it is a genetically engineered creature, in Lost it is a virus, or possibly electromagnetic radiation.
The Theory
I believe that the virus has been released worldwide or on the island. At least several of the Lost characters believe so. This could be supported by the fact that both Desmond and Kelvin where injecting themselves with RX1 vaccine, just like the Others where injecting Aaron with it.
My guess is that while Mittelwerk and the Dharma people decided that it was a good decision to kill 30% of the world’s population, they didn’t want to die themselves so they designed a vaccine which all Dharma scientists got, to prevent being infected by “the sickness”. This could also possibly be linked to the “sickness” which Rousseau said drove her team-mates insane and forced her to kill them.
However, the tricky question is, if the virus kills everyone, why did Kelvin remove his yellow protective suit when exiting the hatch? Either Kelvin was vaccinated and knew that he was safe but still wanted Desmond to believe it was dangerous outside the hatch, or, the virus is an elaborate hoax created by Mittelwerk to threaten the world leaders into stop fighting, much like what Veidt does in The Watchmen.
Who are the good ones?
Both Veidt and Mittelwerk feel that they are doing a good deed when killing thousands to save humanity as a whole. Are Mittelwerk and his Dharma associates good people? I am sure that they believe so. However, there are signs that in the world of Lost, there are many groups of “good people”.
Henry Gale has on several occasions said that the group he belongs to are “good people” or “the good ones”. This points to Henry believing that there are “bad people”. I am convinced that the Others are, or have been Dharma scientists. The question is, are they subscribing to Mittelwerk’s plan or are they the original scientists who still believe in Alvar Hanso’s attempt to save the world without violence? My bet is that they still believe in Hanso’s ideas and are trying to change the Valenzetti Equation before it is too late.
Where is the island?
“God can’t see this island better than anyone else in the world” – Henry
Where is the island? What was the bright white light in “Live Together, Die Alone”? What where the Portuguese-speaking men looking for?
My interpretation of Henry’s words is that the island can’t be seen by the outside world. But how do you make an entire island disappear? As I’ve said in the comments of previous posts, I believe that the island could be protected by some form of electromagnetic hemisphere surrounding the entire island. It has even been hinted that the island might be located in a “snowglobe”.
“We are stuck in a bloody snowglobe” “There’s no outside world, there’s no escape” – Desmond
Note how relevant Desmond’s words seem when we keep the plot of Watchmen in mind. Is there no outside world anymore? Even the snowglobe Desmond is talking about might be a reference to The Watchmen, as Adrien Veidt has a secret hideout in the form of a glass sphere in Antarctica. Inside the glass sphere there is a tropical climate with beautiful flowers and trees, outside the sphere there is nothing but snow and ice.
I don’t believe that the Lost island is located on Antarctica, but the idea might be similar. What if the island is hidden by a gigantic electromagnetic dome or a Tesla Shield produced by the electromagnetic generator in the Swan station?
I am by no means an expert, but if I understood how a Tesla Shield would work, not only would such a shield make the island disappear from radar but also make it invisible to the human eye. If a plane would try to fly through it, the shield would both destroy the electronics and set the fuel on fire. Could this have been what crashed flight 815? I would say that it is a possibility.
Other connections between Lost and The Watchmen
Rachel Blake is the name of the girl who uncovers the secret plans of the Dharma Initiative and is later captured and possibly killed. In The Watchmen, the story starts with the murder of a man named Edward Blake. It is later revealed that he was killed by Adrien Veidt after finding out about his secret island.
Adrien Veidt’s name as a masked adventurer was Ozymandias, the greek name for Ramses II. The following poem about Ozymandias will probably remind you of a certain four-toed statue we saw in the final Lost season 2 episode. It should be noted that only half the poem is quoted.
In Egypt’s sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows: –
“I am great OZYMANDIAS,” saith the stone,
“The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
“The wonders of my hand.” – The City’s gone, –
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.- Horace Smith.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
To conclude this analysis, I would like to thank you for reading the entire article. I hope it was interesting.
I believe that The Watchmen has influenced the Lost writers, but the graphic novel doesn’t hold all the answers. Neither do I agree with those who would say that Lost is a copy of The Watchmen. The differences are many many more than the similarities and Lost is influenced by many different books, movies and stories, just like every other book, movie and story has been influenced by the things their authors where interested in.
The main ideas presented in Watchmen about moral and good versus evil is just as valid today as when the books where published. And the question remains – Who watches the watchmen?
Andreas
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Comment 1, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Bravo, Andi, great piece of research and info on a literary reference! Adding it to the list at lostpedia of references.
A fascinating theory! The correlation to the “great leg” on the show and with the plan to limit world population by intentionally releasing a virus gave me chills. You are definitely on to something.
BTW, I just noticed that just today, EW came out with an article on The Watchmen, did you see it? http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1120854_1_0_,00.html
Comment 2, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
I like your theory, it is sort of like mine.
I’m 99.99% sure that the white flash had something to do with the island being exposed to the outside world. Now, without the shield, it is only a matter of time before someone else wanders into the island area.
Is it just a coincidence that 108 is the sum of the environmental factors (4 8 15 16 23 42)? I don’t think so.
If the Tesla Shield downed Flight 815, then we must ask ourselves what happened to allow a) Rosseau’s ship, b) Henry Gale’s balloon, c) Desmond’s ship, d) the supply planes (which may possible have taken off from the island… maybe), and possibly e) Kelvin’s transportion (provided that he was being sarcastic when he said he “signed up” for DHARMA).
Anyway, those are the things I am working on now. Good theory!
Comment 3, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Haha, talk about coincidence! I didn’t see the EW article but a re-colored version of the graphic novel sounds great. I’ll try to read the article later today.
Comment 4, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Is it 30% of the world….or that tribe. Mittlewerk sounded very strict on cantaining the virus. Saying things like “bring the dead bodies back here”
Comment 5, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Hugo Reyes wrote:
The 30% of the world thing is just how I interpret it. If they want to stop famine, war and poverty, I’d say they have to deal with the entire world and not just two tribes.
Comment 6, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Andreas wrote:
No prob…just trying to clarify :D
Comment 7, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Don’t we already know that the reason the flight crashed was because Desmond didn’t push the button? Otherwise, great theory.
Comment 8, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
I must admit i’ve been out of touch with lost for a while since the end of S2… this article totally got me back in. It’s BRILLIANT! I really like how the stor of a single plane crash, has evolved to the end of the world lol.
To reply to Alex. We only know that Desmond thinks he crashed the plane, and that there is a corrolation between his ‘system failure’ and the plane crash.
Personally, I don’t think he did crash the plane. But that’s another story. :)
Comment 9, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Season 2 on DVD and another KILLER analysis by you Andreas! It just does not get any better. Thanks for the great research and a running start to Season 3. For those of us who work too much and did not get to play regularly during the summer….doesn’t it feel good to be back? Thanks to Cecelia as well who clearly helped me to stay in the loop during the summer.
Comment 10, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Very good article – the Watchmen – LOST connection is a lot to think about. Regarding Inman and his protective suit – We do know that he wanted to keep Desmond in the hatch so that he could fix Desmond’s boat in secret and leave Desmond behind to ‘save the world.’
I just saw the whole Hanso Exposed video. I laughed when I saw the standard YouTube script at the end with the button that says ‘Watch again.’
Comment 11, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Dude. Whoa. To quote Hurley.
Comment 12, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Thanks Andreas, great analysis!
Another little proof of the influence of “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” to lost writers from season 1.
In episode 107 “Raised by another”, Hurley is doing his census (that will lead us to the actual identity of Ethan) and questions Locke about his name, place of birth, etc. Locke reacts oddly and seems to be aware of that issue.
HURLEY
It’s John, right? John Locke?
LOCKE
This about your census?
HURLEY
Yeah, thought it’d be a good idea to, y’know, find out who everybody is. Get their names, places of residence –
LOCKE
And who’s checking to see who you are?
Hurley’s slightly taken aback at that
HURLEY
M-me?
LOCKE
It was a joke.
Comment 13, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Thank you all for the nice comments, I’m glad that you enjoyed the analysis!
Comment 14, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
VERY good article.
And yes, I have noticed the Watchmen connection as well. There was also the sub story of the pirate ship in Watchemen, and then we have the ‘Black Rock’ on the island.
I did -not- make the foot connection to Ozymandias, however. I immediately thought of the Colossus of Rhodes. The ’4 toes’ thing still confuses the hell out of me, however.
They pointed it out, so you can bet that is significant.
I think Desmond DID crash the plane. I think the EM Generator creates a ‘snow globe’ on radar. However the island would still be visible if you get close enough. The pulse Desmond created would have knocked out the ship. And Desmond hit the failsafe before a second pulse was created (hence Michaels boat still worked). And yes, I think the island is exposed to the world to find now.
Comment 15, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
I think I’m starting to agree with Mole and Castaway03 regarding the “snowglobe”. It doesn’t make sense for it to be a Tesla Shield since such a shield would have burned the original Henry’s balloon and the pirate ship.
I still believe that there is/was a shield which hides the island though.
Comment 16, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Well, you guys have gone and done it! :) I’m going to Barnes and Noble’s and pick Watchmen up… and while I’m at it, get one of those jigsaw puzzles, too.
Back on the foot now, it was one fo the most mysterious elements of the finale, one that left us all open-mouthed gaping and saying “Huh?”. This is one more reference to be added to the list… but I think they left it deliberately ambiguous. It could be the Colossus of Rhodes, Atlantis/Lemuria, etc. too. And I think this was mentioned in the Finale article comments, but maybe buried after the several hundred comments we got there… but there’s an excerpt from a Thomas Peacock story called “Headlong Hall” which reads:
Cecilia wrote:
Anyway, I still like this allusion, too, and the nice thing about Watchmen is that we have an actual quote from Lindelof saying “best piece of popular fiction ever produced”… now that is a strong statement that says a lot. We don’t have to guess as to whether the influence is there.
Comment 17, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Oh, and Andreas, I added a page on Lostpedia about Watchmen based on your statements, with a link back here. Since you read it and I didn’t, please let me know if there should be any corrections.
Comment 18, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Cecilia wrote:
The Lostpedia page looks nice. I edited the part regarding the psychic a bit, other than that, the info should be correct.
Comment 19, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
I’m really diggin’ this theory Angreas. I still think that the turning of the “key” allows the “shield” to be opened and that the “button” kept the magnet at bay. I feel this is true because Desmond had failed to push the button before (plane crashed), but the Portuguese guys didn’t get a reading until Desmond turned the key (assuming he accomplished this task). We’ll have to see if the key gets turned back to “rehide” the island…but I haven’t figured out the implication of the hatch with the button being destroyed.
Comment 20, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Another comic connection to remember…
Jeph Loeb is a producer for the show.
He is also a comic book writer of some pretty major skill.
Cecilia, I would love to hear what you think of Watchmen after you have read it.
It is, in my opinion, one of the finest examples of the craft of writing that I have ever seen. The way the story unfolds and the clues are given…it’s amazing. Also, the artwork is every bit as important as the text. Fine use of the full value of the medium. You will see visual elements that are mimiced in the next scene w/ other elements. But if you notice, the writing does the exact same thing.
Sorry, didn’t mean to go ‘bloggy’ on you!
Back to LOST…
I can’t wait to see if the hatch is still there, but destroyed. Or it was catapulted off the island by the sudden reversal of polarity of the failsafe switch.
Either way, I doubt they can simply turn the key back to ‘reset’ it. One way or the other, I think the hatch is finished.
I’m just concerned that Mr. Eko & Locke may be ‘finished’ as well!
I think that Michael will be back. I think that Fake Henry’s comment about ‘you won’t be able to return’ was based on the radar ‘snow globe’ being in place. He didn’t know the curtain had been dropped already. Michael’s betrayal may ultimately be what gets them all saved. Ironic, yes?
Comment 21, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Mole´ wrote:
Javier Grillo-Marxuach is also a comic book writer, and Damon is working on a Hulk comic I think, so several of the writers are big on comics.
Comment 22, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
There is also a connection to comics in the show. It’s when Sawyer shoots the polar-bear. Only minutes before Walt sees a polar-bear in a spanish comic-book (I don’t remember which episode it was).
I also believe that the electro-magnetic shielding hides the island from the rest of the world and pretty sure is somewhere in/near anarctica. What other reason would the two scientist have to look for electomagnetic disturbances there? Maybe the polar-bear from above got there on a floe. So this would fit your theory.
I think I will buy the book to complete my LOST-experience ;) great theory
Comment 23, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Yeah, I don’t know if it was a Watchmen reference, but the comic book is probably a lot more important than what we’ve been ‘told’.
Comment 24, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Indeed. They made the scene look too unimportant to really be that. Walt’s feelings/thoughts affect the world around him. The impression from the comicbook seemed to spawn the bear.
Comment 25, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Isnt a reason that the scientist that were on antartica is because they we’re near one of the magnetic poles?
When the island elektromagnetic point blew up, it could have created an irregularity at the southern pole? Just a thought.
Btw, anyone noticed that Hurley originally read the comicbook in one of his flashback i believe, and he never came back on it, even though Walt had it.
Comment 26, posted 3 years, 11 months ago -
Great theory Andreas! This really get my hopes up for se03. I was getting kinda “lost” so to speak. But now I have to read the book and se the episodes you and all others refered to. Thank you very much. Great job
Comment 27, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
Nice, interesting analysis. I wonder if the Lost creators know where Lost is going? Or are they giving us conflicting theories they’ll figure out later how to unify?
Comment 28, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
A few ideas:
I have a different take on the statue (four toed foot). I don’t think the number of toes is as interesting as the statue itself. It shows someone had a high opinion of themselves. I’m coming to the conclusion that the Others really are the good guys, and fought off another group for control of the island and its power, which they guard or have destroyed. The statue may represent in future episodes the past leader of the island (Hanso?) who let his power go to his head, greating a dictatorship which the Others fought and won, then worked to hide from anyone else or are simply staying put because they cannot leave the island. I think its the latter and likely due to the disease that is mentioned every now and then. Also, note that when the Others saw the plane breaking apart they snapped into almost military dicipline with Ben giving the orders and people taking those orders including prepared plans such as ordering Gibson to “become one of them”. These people definitely have lived through a military like organization but as we saw at the beginning of this season they were all living pretty boring suburban lives without a care in the world. I believe they had won their battle long ago and were living out their remaining days. Note there are no children belonging to the Others. I believe they are doomed in some way, having saved the world in the past.
As for the polar bear, maybe walt had something to do with its appearance, but there are bear cages that Sawyer and Freckles are being held in. Remember that Sawyer took longer than the “bears” to figure out how to get the food? And the food is “fish cakes”. That’s not a typical bear food except maybe grizzlies, but it sure fits polar bears. Anyway the zoo’s animals are gone. Maybe all dead, or escaped and living on the island, like the polar bear. And when Sawyer shot it is bled and died, it didn’t disappear as an apparition would.
The magnetism clues are everywhere. The guys at the pole who detected the island when Desmond hit the failsafe, Eko’s brother’s plane, which, based on where we think the island is, was on the exact other side of the earth in Africa. And if you assume the “numbers” are the coordinates of the island, which makes sense since its in the south pacific, and then determine the antipole to it, you end up near a town called Bangui in the Central African Republic which has the Bangui Magnetic Anomoly, thought to be caused by a buried meteorite, and has a strong magnetic field. Maybe it had something to do with Eko’s brother’s twin engine plane ending up on the other side of the earth. I don’t think the magnetism is shielding the island but instead is used to move from place to place on the earth using some power of the magnetism, with satellites maintaining contact with all magnetic locations and thus the need to hit the button to contact the satallite, which in typical earth orbit would circle every 108 minutes. Also, note that when the pulse occured the Others were not that concerned. If its shielding the island or has some other importance, the Other’s themselves would have been pushing that button, so Jack was right, there was no real need to push the button. Now how did he know that?
Comment 29, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
A couple of thoughts Sully.
-Walt’s “powers” aren’t apparitions. Like in “Carrie” they make stuff happen for real.
-I think the guys looking for island were not tipped off by the turning of key, but by failing to push the button. They made a comment about “missing” the last “one”. I think they meant when Desmond failed to push the button on the day of the crash. They didn’t “miss” a turning of the key because nobody turned the key before Desmond did when the hatch was destroyed.
You might be onto something with the satelites, you should have put that in the Theory Contest.
Comment 30, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
Hi,
Another few links with Watchmen:
1) The balloon that the real Henry crashed onto the island with had a smiley face on a red background, much like Watchmen opens with a blood spattered smiley face
2) The discovery that the Hatch is being watched by a station with multiple monitors, echoes how the Veidt character in Watchmen monitors the world through a series of cameras
3) Both stories use the stylistic device of replaying an event from the perspectives of multiple characters.
4) Both works have as a strong theme the notion of the mystery of Fate and the complex interconnections that structure reality; that seven degrees of separation idea.
Apologies if I’m reading too much into this, I’ve just finished a weekend where I watched the complete second season. Hope I make sense.
Comment 31, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
I didn’t even think about the connection with the smiley faced ballon, haha.
Great observations Steven!
Comment 32, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
I still question the theory that says the hatch was protecting the island. If that is true, then why did Ben/henry break lockes will to push the button? Wouldnt he have wanted to keep the island hidden? Also the side effect from not pushing the button has knocked out the “others” communcation to the outside world. Ben/Henry couldnt have wanted that or more importantly didnt know that would happen. That all leads to the fact that the “others” did not realize the significance of this hatch? When deasmond didnt push the button, and the ground shook and the plane crashed, none of the others said ” oh my god, the swan hatch!” I dont believe they knew right away what caused it.
I do believe the “others” somehow gained control of the island, in my opionion to stop the spread of the virus. After the “incident”, the new powers of powers Dharma decided to take drastic action, that led to the “Others” rebellion. Hence, they are the good guys and the keeper of the island and stopped the spread of the virus. They take blood to ensure its not come back, or no one new is infected.
I think somehow the others are protecting the island from the bad people that want to re-initate the drastic action “virus”.
Thanks for reading, im going out on a limb I know.. :0)
Comment 33, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
I like the ideas slomski. The big question is how the timeline of Lost and the Lost experience connect to each other. If Mittelwerk’s team created the virus, wouldn’t it be created after the losties crashed on the island?
Comment 34, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
Ahh, as we dive deeper into the abyss.. thanks for humoring me!
I dont think Mittelwerks team created our Island Virus. The timeline is the hardest thing to figure out as there have not been many clues.. ( I keep watching the last episode of our portugal friends to see if I can find a date)
Were assuming that we know the losties crashed in 2004 and the Sri Lanka video was made in 2006. The shows creators have said time is different on the island. So does that mean theyve been there for two months and two years have passed in real time?
In the Sri Lanka video – we know the Hanso video is old, from the originial Dharma project, we know that Mittelwerk is talking in 2006. We have to assume that two infected villages are not on our island, this is the key to the theory our island “others” are trying to keep the original virus locked on the island.
So if the original virus on the island led to the incident and caused the revolution on the island then you have to believe that Mittelwerk is doing nothing more than caring on work outside the island and he does not have the original virus.
Rumors say he stole “a” virus after he took over the Hanso company and then ran. I believe he was never trusted with the location of the island. Mittelwerk may be the leak to Pen, knowing she had the resources “money” to find the island if mittlewerk planted the seed of where desmond might be.
Sorry for loosing track of time, the timeline still works because mittlewerk or the SriLanka video is years after the losties crash, or is it? In either event I havent found a link that mittlewerk actually has “the virus” in his contorl. So I the purpose of the Sri Lanka video is to show Mittlewerk is still trying to find the value to change the equation.
Its on our island.
Comment 35, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
I really like the idea of Mittelwerk telling Penny that Desmond is on the island to get her to find out where the island is located!
Regarding time being different on the island, I just got a pretty cool idea. I’m going to do some research and probably write a post about it. Keep your eyes open.
Comment 36, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
I just had a thought got to get it down ..
Im still tring to figure out what Ben wanted by the destruction of the Swan and the breaking of Lockes will to push the button..
What if the sawn wasnt doing just research on magnetics, and wasnt the Field Generator as some claim ( too many star wars movies)
What if it was containmnet? Built by Dharma after the incident (the smoke) and designed to contain the properties of the island. THats why it had been seeled off. Ive got to watch the overirde key piece again with kelvin…
This explains Kelvin and why he wasnt part of Bens others, he was put there by Dharma? to push that button and make sure, ex cia, killer, assasain, etc he would make sure that button got pushed, until after years he found an out with desomond..
So if the swan was a containment, Ben didnt know that, and that means the other hatches are containments too, and what happens when locke and the losties distrub the lock,, and open the doors?
Smokey is active again, very much so after the swans destruction.
Ben and Juliette are in cohoots, also think Kate is in it with them. Kates job or mission is to turn Swayer.
stilll lots of ?s but i think im getting a picture, ill add these to the white board this weekend when im home and try to lay it all out..
Where is that freakin stewardess?
Comment 37, posted 3 years, 10 months ago -
I don’t think the entire hatch was built for containment but it is pretty clear that part of it was covered in concrete. My guess as to why this was done is that they had to block of the electromagnetic radiation coming from the electromagnetic anomaly (like Chernobyl).
Comment 38, posted 3 years, 9 months ago -
Maybe the “virus” is what happened to the guy at the hospital where Hurley was. The one who kept repeating the #’s. Maybe he was someone who did get off the island. Do we have a name on this guy?
Comment 39, posted 3 years, 9 months ago -
BB, the guy at the Santa Rosa Mental Hospital is Leonard Sims, or “Lenny”. He and Sam Toomey heard the numbers while being stationed at a naval listening post. Sam Toomey used the numbers to win a competition at a local fair and then killed himself. Lenny became insane thinking about the numbers.
Comment 40, posted 3 years, 7 months ago -
Hi,
I’ve also found two direct quotes (or references) of Watchmen in Lost:
Walt reading a comic book on the beach = the Black teenager reading a comic book near the newsstand.
The hot air balloon shows a yellow smiley on a red background = Watchmen cover.
Comment 41, posted 3 years, 7 months ago -
Another image / idea that appears in both Lost and Watchmen; in “Every Man for Himself” (Season 3, Episode 4) Sawyer plans to give an electric shock to the next person to come outside his cell when they stand in a pool of water he made. This reminded me of when Rorschach electrocutes someone who comes into his jail cell during the prison riot (Watchmen Chapter VIII, Old Ghosts) by breaking the toilet in his cell.
Comment 42, posted 3 years, 7 months ago -
Nice finds guys.
Comment 43, posted 3 years, 3 months ago -
It is a good article. My addition to that theory is how did the Dharma people on the island have the “killing gas” that Ben used on the Dharma people and his father? This gas isn’t something that you would normally keep in your supplies. I hope they explain that mystery, however my theory is that this “gas” is the virus that this guy discusses in his article to kill 30%. My other theory is that they are going to be “unleashing a virus which kills 30% of the world’s total population and keeps on killing 30% of all new born humans would stop overpopulation, famine, war and poverty.” They might not be able to control how it kills off 30% of the newborns and it kills all newborns, which is why they brought Julia to the island. That “vaccine” that Julia injects the mothers to help them live longer is probably part of the vaccine that the Dharma people used on themselves.
Comment 44, posted 2 years, 7 months ago -
Interesting theory, but wouldn’t it amount to a massive amount of creative plagiarism? And what about smokey the monster?
Comment 45, posted 2 years, 5 months ago -
wow, i absolutley agree. this is great analysis. lost always has fantastic literary references!
Comment 46, posted 2 years, 3 months ago -
I guess you guys have probably already noted these connections, but here are some more:
1. The deaths at the end of Watchmen are reported by the news media in the world of Watchmen as being caused by a fourth dimensional creature being teleported into the Institute for Extra Spatial studies. Both anomalies involve a flash of white light which engulfs all the people. I wonder if the island is a kind of fourth dimensional creature or entity that has somehow intersected with this world?? I think Alan Moore (the author of Watchmen) at the end of From Hell, his take on Jack the Ripper, poetically described the Ripper as a fourth dimensional entity that linked across time periods. Maybe this is what has happened with Jacob and the island.
2. The scientists on the secret island in Watchmen are killed by an explosion on a freighter, that looks alot like the freighter we have seen in Season 4, one that is also lined with explosives.
3. The Dr. Manhattan character and Desmond are both unstuck in time in a similar way, although there are important differences too.
Comment 47, posted 2 years, 1 month ago -
I reflect similarities between Walt and the little black kid who read the comic book throughout Watchmen. Once I saw that in the show, I thought it looked familiar. I recently read ‘Watchmen’ again in preparation for the movie and there was my missing puzzle piece.
Also within the plot, of course are the similarities between Hanso and Veidt, the Antartic “island” and so forth and so on. I always respected Lindelof and his choice of great literacy as a backdrop for telling great stories, and none so great as to adapt ‘Watchmen’ in the series.
Comment 48, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Skeeter, I totally agree. Also, it’s worth noting that the news-stand guy’s name is “Bernard” and he serves the narrative as a kind of “man-on-the-street” reaction to the weirdness surrounding him, which is similar to the role of Lost’s Bernard.
Comment 49, posted 3 months, 1 week ago -
To me vincent and Jack is like :
When Jack protected the island until it ended/ died, Vincent did the same for Jack.
Comment 50, posted 3 months ago -
Off the grid energy is such a awesome alternative when used properly.
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