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Just my 2 cents

I really like your theory, but here’s some hole pokin’: Living on the island doesn’t make everyone immortal or unchanged. Obviously Ben, his father and friend got older, and MANY people have died. Even the island’s Adam and Eve are dead. The question is WHO(Alpert?) is immortal and why. Also, WHO is unable to reproduce on the island? Are ALL of the others from the real world or are they “Alperesque”. We still don’t know where they came from.

Going even deeper, Eko was “directed” onto the plane, Claire was too, you’ll remember pretty much all the main character were “directed” onto the plane. Are all these outsiders keepers of fate?

About the first point… Adam and Eve were actually able to procreate while living in the Garden. The bird process was painless and natural. Only when the lost the grace they would conceive children with labor pains. It is correct they would live forever, but is ALSO correct EVE could bear children.

Just my 2 cents

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Not certain of this, but I’m pretty sure that there isn’t any report of Adam and Eve conceiving pre-fall or animals procreating either. It was only after the fall that they were commanded be fruitfull and multiply, but bear with them the pains of childbearing and labor, both of the body and the earth as punishment for theirs sins against God. It wouldn’t surprise me if they existed in a static immortality as you suggested of the islanders.

Not certain, just trying to pry 4 years of Christian college out of the recesses of my brain.

Also could explain why Jacob said “Help me.” Maybe he isn’t trapped in the cabin by Ben, but is literally asking Locke to help him in his cause. Though I am still intrigued by why they showed us the painting of a dog in Jacob’s cabin. An easter egg I just can’t figure out.

i don’t like the theory at all. sorry. the only part i like is that jacob wants people with daddy issues. do we know anything about juliet’s dad or mother? i’m trying to remember & i can’t think of anytimes she talked about them…

But, with a group of precogs…

- They already knew the plane was going to crash
- They already knew who was going to be on it
- Thus, they had plenty of time to do background checks and have the dossiers completed prior to the crash
- Jacob had already chosen whom he wanted to abduct
- And the purpose of collecting the names was merely to see which potential abductees had survived (but wouldn’t the precogs already know who was to survive??)

Hammer,

I agree. There’s a couple of big holes in my hypothesis. I meant to include a list of qualifiers.

The garden is on the island - in other words, the garden is not the entire island. The features of the garden - stasis - are felt to a lesser extent throughout the island. Only within the garden are they absolute. And outside the garden they are inconsistent. I think Ben may be immune to the island’s influence for a number of reasons. He got a tumour. He obviously has the advice of precogs, but is unable to divine the consequences of his own actions, so he has never benefited from immersion. I think - outside the garden - you would probably enjoy a unnaturally protracted life-span, but this doesn’t make you immune to ‘acts of god’ (no pun intended). A severe injury will kill you.
(2) It is possible that the inhabitant of the garden is exerting his powers selectively to further his own agenda - re Locke’s mysterious powers of recovery.

Absolutely. I didn’t notice the dog, but it sounds like an interesting clue.

Hammer,

I’m not sure we’re in disagreement here. From what you say, Locke and Ben are careful to use the art of persuasion rather then coercion – i.e. they are careful not to interfere with an individual’s right to choose a particular course of action. The characters still have free will.
In any event, I was thinking specifically about precogs. But you got me thinking. Maybe there should be one key restriction on precogs.

Precogs can only influence events in such a way as to provide an individual with an additional choice. This choice must be crucial, life-altering decision.

Simply put, you could say that precogs can only ensure a character fulfils a destiny greater than the one originally ordained for them. ‘Greater’ can mean a greater opportunity to commit evil as well as good.

Thus Charlie chooses a worthwhile death over a pointless one. Ironically, Des ends up a character in the very narrative he is trying to influence. While Des the Precog tries to influence Charlie’s fate. Des the man reveals Charlie’s fate to him and so events move forward.

Ummm, these aren’t “Christian myths.” I guarantee if you’d refer to Islam as myth, there’d by an uproar.

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I don’t think his reference the these stories as “myths” was meant in a derogatory fashion, but rather in the anthropological sense of religious “myths”, i.e. the stories that varying religions tell. Don’t pick a fight where there doesn’t need to be one.

Locke isn’t the only one they want on the island. They wanted Jack (to do surgery on ben), Kate & Sawyer (to make a baby), Claire (cuz she was preggers), & Alex (for ben).

I think you’re wrong about dharma. They weren’t doing experiments to see if electro magnets would make u precog & then see if u could change the world. They were doing some other type of experiments.

I do think that Jacob’s “help me” was because he wanted locke to help him & join his cause. And it would make sense if Jacob wanted people with daddy issues since they all have em.

On the basis of the points raised by Hammer and others, can I make a revision to the theory?

THE ISLAND.
The island is the origin of all possible realities – as it is the origin of man and woman. It is also the location of the ‘Garden of Eden’

THE GARDEN.
The ‘garden’ is located somewhere on the island. Any living creature within it exists in a state of stasis, immortal and unchanging, but equally unable to reproduce. Adam and Eve only procreated after leaving the garden. Even outside the garden, its peculiar laws affect the inhabitants of the island to varying degrees. e.g. women can conceive, but will die before they give birth and some characters exhibit unusual longevity, recuperative powers etc.

The garden is inhabited by a being who had a crucial role in the evolution of the human species, intentionally or otherwise. The actual nature of this ‘garden’ has become shrouded in myth. It might not be a ‘garden’ as such, anymore than it might contain a literal ‘tree of knowledge’ – but it does contain something worth having.

Earlier you asked about the dog in Jacob’s cabin. I just checked this out. It’s an additional clue in a theory which I considered including but discarded– mainly because it conflicts with some aspects of my original theory, but also because it raises so many questions. I guess the dog picture tips the balance in its favour, so here it goes. I really hate this theory and there are so many loose ends, I’d prefer if you didn’t include it in the original theory. More biblical stuff, I’m afraid…

THE STORY OF ESAU AND JACOB.

This is a long, convoluted story, so I’m only going to cite the relevant information.

(1) Esau and Jacob were twins. To keep things simple, Easau was a hairy hunter (Esau in means ‘hairy’ in hebrew) whereas Jacob was a hairless hermit. Jacob was the younger and smarter of the two.
(2) Jacob impersonated Esau in order to gain his birthright. Basically Jacob’s dad was blind and Jacob got his blessing (and presumably the family fortune in the process) by impersonating his older brother, using some goatskins to cover his arms – ie. to suggest they were hairier than they actually were.

THE ‘ECKO STORYLINE’ – An easter-egg?

The story of Ekco mimics or (har har) ‘echoes’ the story of Jacob and Esau with one crucial difference – the roles are reversed. Thus Ecko, the warrior and the outdoor type ends up impersonating his younger, holier brother and acquires his ‘birthright’ – his vocation - in the procss. Which brings us to Jacob and Locke….

JACOB & LOCKE: DATA & LORE (?)

The Ecko storyline is an easter egg, prefiguring the relationship between Jacob and Locke – i.e. that they’re brothers. It refers back to the story of Jacob and Esau, but it also establishes that some features of the Locke-Jacob storyline will be the other way round. So now we have a hairless hunter type and (on the basis of that one glimpse) a hairy recluse. And – unbeknownst to him - one brother is impersonating another….

Oh yeah. And Esau had a dog. I’m not a talmudic scholar and I can’t find out a damn thing about it - just antiquated phrases like ‘How hairy was Esau’s dog?’ - and that the dog got sacrificed for some reason or other and that – being a hunter – Esau probably loved it.

So on the basis of all this stuff, we’re meant to assume that Locke was originally from the island – explaining his ‘special’ relationship with it. He’s coming home. Maybe Jacob got rid of him somehow and took his place. Only now he’s back. And now the two brothers are going to fight one another – one attacking the garden (and his father) the other defending them.

“To further the free will point. Locke has often not interfered with Losties….’

Hammer,

I’m not sure we’re in disagreement here. From what you say, Locke and Ben are careful to use the art of persuasion rather then coercion – i.e. they are careful not to interfere with an individual’s right to choose a particular course of action. The characters still have free will.
In any event, I was thinking specifically about precogs. But you got me thinking. Maybe there should be one key restriction on precogs.

Precogs can only influence events in such a way as to provide an individual with an additional choice. This choice must be crucial, life-altering decision.

Simply put, you could say that precogs can only ensure a character fulfils a destiny greater than the one originally ordained for them. ‘Greater’ can mean a greater opportunity to commit evil as well as good.

Thus Charlie chooses a worthwhile death over a pointless one. Ironically, Des ends up a character in the very narrative he is trying to influence. While Des the Precog tries to influence Charlie’s fate. Des the man reveals Charlie’s fate to him and so events move forward.

No disagreement…I was trying to further your point.

So, based on this theory, is God himself (herself/itself) a player in all this? If we follow the Garden story through, it ends in Revelation, where God destroys the world and builds a new one. If we throw in what we know from the Lost Experience, DHARMA was attempting to manipulate the Valenzetti equation to produce different results, and, in effect, prevent the destruction of the world.

BUT, if God is a player, and it is his will that the world be destroyed as described in Revelation, then are Ben and his people really the good guys after all and DHARMA the agents of evil? IF DHARMA had figured it out, the world (and the evil in it) would continue on.

On a personal level, I would still have trouble reconciling Ben as one of the “good guys”, but from a biblical perspective, the great Judaic kings were all also military commanders, responsible for death in God’s name.

Or maybe they’re all in that snowglobe.

The second part of your theory is even more interesting! And it could be true even if we find out that the first part is not.
In Lost the names mean something, we know so well, but in this case is amazing. Damon Lindelof is Jewish, so he could actually have though something like that.

aonghus fallon wrote:

So now we have a hairless hunter type and (on the basis of that one glimpse) a hairy recluse. And – unbeknownst to him - one brother is impersonating another….

That is a very fascinating point… but - from what I have understood - if Jacob was actually impersonating Esau/Locke he should be known as ‘Esau’ and not as his real name….

aonghus fallon wrote:

So on the basis of all this stuff, we’re meant to assume that Locke was originally from the island – explaining his ‘special’ relationship with it. He’s coming home. Maybe Jacob got rid of him somehow and took his place. Only now he’s back. And now the two brothers are going to fight one another – one attacking the garden (and his father) the other defending them.

I think that the most important thing that you discovered is the possible relationship between the two. Maybe even Jacob is not from the Island and he found out he was supposed to go there to find his own meaning, just like Locke.

Fair enough, but if we all think it through, maybe we could come up with an explanation that doesn’t conflict with the existing theory. There are a lot of problems re the time-line (although this depends on when Locke left the garden) Locke’s apparent amnesia and Ben’s inability to notice the eerie similarity between his boss and Locke. John’s (supposedly) biological father only compounds the issue.

Anyhoo, it’s your call.

Just to clarify - Esau is impersonating Jacob. John Locke (unbeknownst to him) is the true Jacob.

This fact has a lot of ramifications. Crucially, the ‘others’ may be acting from positive motives. They believe Jacob is destined to ensure the island/garden is protected and they will do whatever he says in order to further this agenda. However they are worshipping a false prophet. I presume at some later stage, the truth will out and the cult will split into two factions; those who support John Locke and a hardcore who choose to remain followers of the ‘false’ Jacob - e.g. Ben, if he’s still around.

I think I figured out the Esau storyline in a way that’s consistent with my original theory. I had no reservations about posting up my first theory as a lot of people were accusing the series of going nowhere (or rather, in too many directions) whereas I felt the writers were following a clear narrative arc. If anything, showing people that the story had a direction and a point (and an overall structure) might help ratings - which, mind you, don’t need that much help.

However, sometimes you can keep picking away at the threads of a story until there’s no story left. I like where they’re going with the Esau storyline and I think explaining my version of it in detail could be classified as a plot spoiler.

Also, I had never posted anything onto any site until a fortnight ago. I had no idea it was this addictive. I seem to spend half my time analysing the various plot-lines of ‘Lost’ and well, basically…. life is too short. That said, I really enjoyed the site, your comments and theories etc, and wish you well, especially Hammer, Will and Rejus. I’ll leave you with a couple of (not very cryptic) clues re the Esau plot-line.

(1) Lost boys.
(2) A kid who loved his dog.
(3) His dad was pretty furious. What was Esau hunting?
(4) Who was that kidney really for?

Sorry to hear it…thanks for your contribution, I really enjoyed it.

The angel with which Jacob wrestled is actually thought to have been God Himself, and Jacob actually receives a blessing from God because of it(Gen. XXXII: 22-30).

Not sure how these two things influence your theory, but it seems to me that the role of Jacob in the show may need some revision. Nonetheless, you have made some *excellent* points. I particularly like the parallel between the cherub in Genesis and the smoke monster. Of course, in Genesis, it was plural - cherubim . . . I wonder if the smoke monster is actually a *series* of monsters. . . .

How is Jack’s father still alive?

Barring resurrection, it’s only possible if Jack made a mistake identifying his own father’s body.

Assuming it’s not resurrection, doesn’t this destroy all logic behind Jack being on the plane? No dead father means no trip to Australia?

I have been thinking and thinking about this but cannot seem to recall any significant information about Rose to even begin to understand her involvement. All I can recall is that she has/had cancer and that the island seems to have healed her.

Excellent question. Sadly, I have no idea. Unless, of course, there is something to the “parallel universes” theory that’s surfaced once or twice on various boards. Perhaps in the next three seasons, we’ll begin to see more of the “universe course-correction,” and ramifications of that. For example, if Desmond had not saved Charlie those numerous times, then Charlie would have never shut down the Looking Glass, and Jack would have never made the rescue call. So, perhaps, something happens that undoes everything else - including Christian Shepherd’s death. Purely speculation, of course, since we haven’t seen the last three seasons.

This is off topic, but since there seem to be so many enlightened folks on here I wanted to pose a question…

How is Jack’s father still alive?

Barring resurrection, it’s only possible if Jack made a mistake identifying his own father’s body.

Assuming it’s not resurrection, doesn’t this destroy all logic behind Jack being on the plane? No dead father means no trip to Australia?

It was a flash to the future, not a flashback.

Did you not see Jack meeting Kate and saying “I want to go back” etc..

Guys, this is going to be my last blog, for various reasons.

Ahh.. so hope to read some of your comments when next season begins! You did a very good job.

A friend of mine told me that the director or writers of Lost said that Rose has a crucial role in all of it and that they are amazed that the public has not figured it out yet.

I have been thinking and thinking about this but cannot seem to recall any significant information about Rose to even begin to understand her involvement. All I can recall is that she has/had cancer and that the island seems to have healed her.

Two things to consider: Rose mentioned that the sound of Smokey was very familiar to her. Rose has/had a daughter…Ms. Klugh?

This is off topic, but since there seem to be so many enlightened folks on here I wanted to pose a question…

How is Jack’s father still alive?

I think Jack’s father like Sun’s father was involved with the Darma initiative.

Likewise having knowledge of the island and things on the island like spiders that can make you seem dead when you are not. Jack’s father was given the same spider venom that paralyzed Nicki and Paoulo in order to fake his death lure Jack to Australia. Whether the crash was staged, predestined, planned, or an accident I do not claim to know.

I do not want to believe the writers threw in the Nicki and Paoulo episode only as filler. I think the spider venom plays a role somewhere in the story.

The reason Rose knew the sound is because the smoke monsters sound is the same sound that New York taxi cabs make when they give change or print a receipt or something(Damon and Carl said so in the last podcast) and Rose is from New York, which you hear her say in one of the first episodes when they are talking about the sound in the backround.

Why di the Polar Bear kill Limo Guy?
Because he was Bi-Polar.

But this is a flexible joke;

Why did the boy Polar Bear have sex with another boy Polar Bear?
Because he was Bi-Polar.

i tried to do some reading about jacob on wikipedia
it’s also amazing that jacob’s youngest and twelfth son is named benjamin… this could be something we could ponder on between the connection of jacob and benjamin.. :)

About the first point… Adam and Eve were actually able to procreate while living in the Garden. The bird process was painless and natural. Only when the lost the grace they would conceive children with labor pains. It is correct they would live forever, but is ALSO correct EVE could bear children.

Just my 2 cents

yeah i agree.. it was only mentioned in the bible that because of what she had done she will experience the pain of labor.. thus she is capable of giving birth.

i love this blog.. and i love seeing other lost addicts like myself.. you don’t need to rate what i wrote here.. i just thought i’d agree to what he said..

Vladimir Cezar wrote:

About the first point… Adam and Eve were actually able to procreate while living in the Garden. The bird process was painless and natural. Only when the lost the grace they would conceive children with labor pains. It is correct they would live forever, but is ALSO correct EVE could bear children.

Just my 2 cents

Errr. Just to correct you.
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Not certain of this, but I’m pretty sure that there isn’t any report of Adam and Eve conceiving pre-fall or animals procreating either. It was only after the fall that they were commanded be fruitfull and multiply, but bear with them the pains of childbearing and labor, both of the body and the earth as punishment for theirs sins against God. It wouldn’t surprise me if they existed in a static immortality as you suggested of the islanders.

Not certain, just trying to pry 4 years of Christian college out of the recesses of my brain.

In Genesis 1 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number;” They are evicted only on chapter 3…. So, to make my point. The humanity, as described in Genesis would find no death. Never.

Another 2 cents…

support for this theory
-the animals (maybe Dharma didn’t bring them but only studied them) the only reason for polar bears to be on a hot island is if they were created there, and according to the story of Eden all species of animals were created there.
Didn’t Danielle’s boat crash 16 years ago, and wasn’t it carrying animals?

-is Jacob the serpent?
Maiby Ben is the serpant?
-Adam and Eve found in the caves, were the names coincidental?
Hmmm!

As fallon points out, Esau is “hairy” in Hebrew. A German word for hair is Locke or Lokke. I don’t have my German dictionary at handy, but I know that Locken/Lokken means “tresses.”

I signed off originally because I felt divulging a character’s storyline was a very different thing from giving a broad description re what was going on. However, I guess there’s no harm in elaborating on the basic nature of the island a bit more, in view of what we’ve learnt from the current series.

A WHITE HOLE.

The island is sphere of extremely dense matter that has been ejected via a ‘white hole’ into our universe. It generates an anomalous magnetic field, complete with north and south poles. This field is strong enough to create the sort of gravitational time dilation more typical of black holes, and it resembles a black hole’s event horizon in many respects. The closer you come to the island (once within its magnetic field) the further you travel back into the past – probably the very distant past. In real terms, this means the island is hidden in the past, and invisible to anybody not within its magnetic field. Time on the island passes far more slowly than it would in the outside world. The ‘garden’ - probably located underground and close to the island’s core - exists in a state of stasis or near stasis. Travelling away from the island is effectively travelling into the future – a future you will never reach unless you know the correct route out of the island’s event horizon.
The island’s magnetic field is strongest at its north pole. Over time, ships, planes etc caught within its pull have been sucked, vortex-like, onto the island itself. Inversely, the island’s south pole ejects you back into ‘real time’, although not in the pacific, but off the coast of Svalbard. Formerly, this was the only means of leaving the island. In theory, no time at all should have elapsed during your absence, as the south pole projects you into the ‘future’ (relatively speaking) just as the north pole sucks you into the ‘past’, relatively speaking.
As the south pole is at the opposite axis of the north, we can assume it is underwater. It is much less used, unless you count Ben, who uses it as a sort of back door when he’s cornered.

SO WHAT’S UP?
Although the island’s density is a factor, the island’s magnetic field is artificially sustained, and over the last fifty years there has been a pronounced deterioration in its strength. Indeed, the island is beginning to demonstrate all the features of full-scale pole reversal. Characteristically, pole reversal begins with a deterioration in the strength of the two poles, even while the rest of the magnetic field remains stable. The north pole of the island has lost strength to such a degree that it is now possible to leave as well as reach the island by this route, something which enabled the Dharma Initiative to set up business in the first place. A similar process is also taking place re the island’s south pole.
More worringly, the island’s north pole is beginning to demonstrate the characteristics of the island’s south pole. Normally a ship pulled by its magnetic influence onto the island would arrive several days before its first encounter with that self-same influence – but Faraday’s payload is delayed some thirty minutes after he asks for it, something which he might have expected if the delivery were being made via the south pole conduit, but not the north. Faraday probably hoped the north pole was at a point in its transition where it was operating close to ‘real time’, something which it has been doing (more or less) for the previous few decades. However this was not the case. If anything the process of pole reversal seems to have suddenly accelerated, probably partially due to the shutdown.

The poles are also shifting in relation to the world outside the island. The south pole was originally located at Svalbard. It has now shifted southwards, towards Tunisia.
The consequences for the island (if the process is not reversed) are catastrophic. Crucially the island, a sacred place, will no longer be hidden. It will exist in ‘real time’.

HOW DOES THIS FIT IN WITH MY PREVIOUS THEORY?

Well, the ‘origin of all possible realities’ was probably laying it on a bit thick. And it now seems that Jacob, like Locke, was reared away from the island until he proved himself a suitable candidate as its saviour. So the fallen Lucifer he ain’t. But I think he’ll turn out to be the ‘Prince of Lies’ just like Ben, his most devoted acolyte. Other than that, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

EXAMPLE.
Widmore’s land team can contact the crew in approximate real time (the time delay would be minute) as long as the ship is anchored along the north pole’s co-ordinates. However the doctor’s body was carried by ocean currents away from the ship and into the island’s event horizon. Thus the islanders find his body several days before he is due to be killed.

A correction, a clarification and a few qualifications.

(1) The island’s time-line. I said in my previous entry that time ‘passed more slowly’ on the island. I hadn’t seen ‘There’s no place like home’ yet – in which we learned that time on the island was consistent with the outside world. However, there may be an explanation. If time on the island follows its magnetic current, then being on the island means inhabiting a temporal loop, an idea suggested before. In which case, two questions need to be asked – firstly, just how long is this ‘loop? We already have a rough idea – i.e. not long enough for a woman to conceive and bring a child to term, but long enough for the Oceanic Six to be unaffected by it during their stay on the island. Secondly, what is its exact nature? More specifically, does anybody remember what happened last time round? Or is it like a moebius strip, ever-repeating yet infinite? Maybe just people’s biological clocks are put back, while they still retain their memories, to the extent that they’re not even aware there is a ‘loop’.

I think getting the Oceanic Six off the island was really about answering these questions. It was never about what happens to them after they’ve left the island – it’s what they find when they get back which will be interesting, as they’ve been literally ‘outside the loop’ while the rest of the cast stayed on the island.

(2) Jacob’s cabin. If you assume the existence of a temporal loop, then Jacob’s cabin – properly speaking, Horaces’s cabin, since he built it – exists outside the loop. Jacob (possibly with the help of others) is trying to influence the course of events within the loop to produce a desired result. Bringing new people onto the island changes the variables and gives him a fresh chance of getting it right. Even so, he keeps screwing up. As the cabin can manifest itslf in both time-lines, it is the only place from which you can directly intervene in events within the loop, albeit without leaving the cabin itself. The cabin only appears to ‘moving’. Its location in Jacob’s time-line is fixed, but as the island rotates and the loop’s time-line and Jacob’s timeline aren’t synchronous, to those within the loop the house seems to follow an approximate orbit, always at the same altitude.
To intevene in events, you have to wait until the cabin’s orbit and your constant intersect. Hurley sees the cabin because he is the constant of the person in the cabin at that particular time. I like the idea that this person might be Hurley himself – Future Hurley – but I’m not sure if you can be your own constant. In any event, Ben knows Hurley’s significant other is in the cabin, and that Hurley is therefore crucial to the successful appearance of the cabin.

(3) The whisperers, theory 1. The loop is like a very old, scratched tape over which various, faintly similar recordings have been made again and again. The central characters are hearing echoes of arguments which they’ve had at certain crucial junctures during earlier (or future?) incarnations of the loop.

(4) The whisperers, theory II. The events taking place within the loop are being watched by an unseen audience. This consists of those outside the loop – amongst them former players who’ve died – all urging the characters to follow this or that course of action.

(5) Jacob’s identity. I sincerely hope I’m wrong, but that damn rabbit is highly significant. Older brother, me arse.

(6) Some qualifications. The Dharma Initiative deliberately capped the north pole, probably so they could enter and leave the island by the same conduit. So the weakness of this pole is not entirely due to pole reversal. Secondly, I implied the polar bears swam in via the south pole exit (both poles being in neutral at the time) then remained on the island long enough for the poles to shift (a not unreasonable assumption if you take the temporal loop into consideration) so that when one tried to swim home he ended up in Tunisia – this, incidentally, is how Widmore’s team were able to locate the island. Discovering the skeleton enabled them to pinpoint the southpole conduit, which in turn let them extrapolate the location of the more accessible north pole conduit.
However pole reversal could occur on a regular basis – the sun reverses poles every eleven years. That bear could have been ejected by the same conduit which first sucked him in.

(4) The whisperers, theory II. The events taking place within the loop are being watched by an unseen audience. This consists of those outside the loop – amongst them former players who’ve died – all urging the characters to follow this or that course of action.

I assume you’ve read my Whisperers Theory. I am all for your(my) theory II. ;)

Anyway, Christianity is probably the LEAST directly referenced religion on the show. And even in a Christian scope your theory hardly even makes logical sense. Even in your edits your just changing the show to match your theory instead of changing your theory to match the show. How so very Augustin of you!

This is such a far-fetched crock of crap. I strongly doubt the show is based on Christian mythology (The majority of Christian sects do actually consider the Adam and Eve story to be a myth, btw) Christians always need to try and Biblicize everything to such unneccessary degrees. Its pathetic.

Anyway, Christianity is probably the LEAST directly referenced religion on the show. And even in a Christian scope your theory hardly even makes logical sense. Even in your edits your just changing the show to match your theory instead of changing your theory to match the show. How so very Augustin of you!

Interviewer: You’ve always used books for inspiration. Would you recommend any literature relevant to LOST in the future?

Carlton Cuse: That is a really good question. Huh. I don’t know. Continue reading the Bible.

I said the two myths had a common ancestry. By this I simply meant the scriptwriters were hinting that certain myths were inspired by the island in the same way that Atlantis or the Siege of Troy were probably inspired by real locations and events. Nothing more. I think the third series contained far more biblical allusions than the fourth, so at the time I thought they might be heading in this direction. The fourth focused on the ‘science’ aspect of the island and it’s now pretty obvious that we’re dealing with a science fiction series with biblical overtones, rather than the other way round. Jacob aside, I still think the island inspired the myth of Eden – or rather, that this is what the writers want us to believe – and that there will be other biblical references down along the line, mostly Old Testament.
‘Christians always need to Biblicise everything..’ ?? I wouldn’t know, having been a devout atheist all my life.

I discounted one aspect of my original theory when I updated it – i.e. the notion that Jacob was the fallen Lucifer. That all depends. I think he may well be, on a purely symbolic level, and there’s quite a number of funny little clues to suggest that this is how we are meant to see him. To make this idea work, you just have to substitute ‘the garden’ for ‘the loop’.
Thanks to Ryan for inspiring me and belated credit to Circus Mom who suggested Ben might be the serpent. Of course he is – on purely symbolic terms, that is.