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Tonight’s episode will focus on Sayid, and for those of you who watched the promo at the end of last week I am sure you can put two and two together related to what this means… We should get more detail related to exactly what the Freighties (ers, tots, whatever you want to call them) want with Ben and it will be interesting to see how that plays out. From what I have read, there should be a few eye-poppers tonight and there will be no let down coming off the momentum from last week.
ABC’s official show description:
Spoiler Warning
“Sayid and Kate go in search of Locke to negotiate a peaceful deal when they discover that his hostage may be the key to getting off the Island.”
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There are a few sneak peeks available also: Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2
Comment 1, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Well, all I can say to that is….
WHAT THE F**k??!!!
Comment 2, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Double that….what the hell is going on…thats crazy, man this show is taking all kinds of new twist and turns..
Comment 3, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
omg that was amazing!!!!
- ok so sayid works for ben in the future!!!
- he said something about the list, jacob’s list i’m guessing (actually pretty damn sure).
- he always gets shot when he’s in love.
- what did naomi’s bracelet say (which what’s her name had one just like it too)
- was the girl sayid was with working for abaddon? i think so.
- time flew by in that episode
- i was SHOCKED when i realized that it was ben stitiching him up and i was waiting for vincent too.
- sayid looked good with his hair down (i know totally random)
- the play with hurley was awesome. i totally fell for it.
- i can’t believe hurley went along with that whole con!
- kate & sawyer together again.
that’s all for now. thanks for listening to my rambling!!!
Comment 4, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
what is sayid doing???
Comment 5, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I missed the 1st half I ‘m out of play tonight
Comment 6, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I can guess that the R.G. initials on the bracelet stands for “Republican Guard”
Comment 7, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So is sayid bad or is ben good or are they both bad?
and whats up with the time change
Comment 8, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Double that….what is going on, man this show got all kinds of twists and turns….what is sayid doing??
Comment 9, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
im agreeing what the f***?
maybe sayid is in the casket later (from the flashforward in the season finale)…nobody wants to go to his funeral because they found out hes working for ben and also he wasnt in america at all so nobody else would know him?? make any sense or am i wayyy out there
Comment 10, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Best episode of any tv show i have ever seen.
observations:
1) locke cant see the cabin because he has lost touch with the island
2) naomi and syiad’s german girl work for same man? both have the same bracelet?
3) Hurley apologized to Jack in past episode for entraping syiad, kate and miles on the island?
4) Ben told Syiad in vet, remember what happened last time you though with your heart and not your gun. What is he refering to? Possibly taking naomi back on the helicopter, leading to drama on the boat.
5) Who the hell is R.G. from Naomi’s braclet, possibly Penelope’s father?
Comment 11, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Did you notice that earlier in the episode Sayid told Locke that he will sell his soul before he trusts Ben…interesting turn of events at the end… is his soul sold?
Comment 12, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
omar: on island: i think he’s going to investigate ben’s claims and see what’s realy going on with the freighter tots. off island: he’s working for ben (and jacob?) as a head hunter.
Mike L: that would be so freaky. mouth dropper comment. (tho really somebody could put pudding on here right now and my mouth would drop. i’m on a bit of a lost high right now).
Andrew: sayid is doing what he’s always done: surviving and doing what he has to.
Is it jus me hearing things, or did ben tell sayid something about keeping his friends alive at the end?
Lostlaur: makes sense. and he could’ve gone back and forth to the island and off since he’s with ben. and that would be why jack thinks they’ve lost their last hope.
and what is that for sayid? like his third gunshot wound?
jn415: 4) i’m thinking naomi or a past mission.
Comment 13, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lost anoraks: omg, i forgot about that. he seems to have sold his soul in the flashforward, or in the process of selling it. but why?
Comment 14, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
who r the oceanic 6??
Of course we know Jack, Kate, hurley, Sayid
My theory on the other two.
Last scene in last season finale. Kate says to Jack, “I have to get back to him, you know how he gets.” SAWYER
flash-forward last finale, the funeral in an african-american neighborhood, Ben spy on the Boat (MICHAEL). My theory.
Comment 15, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
This site seems to be running very slowly so I’ll be back later. Maybe by then I’ll think of something useful to say. Right now I’m …… speechless. Scenes like that last one are why I watch this great show.
Comment 16, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Early clue. Sayid kills Mister (?) on the golf course. Part of his hit list. On assignment… going through the hits.
Middle clue. Ben has many nice travelling clothes. MANY passports - Ben has Ben doing business off-island for MANY years.
Warm fuzzy. There were a half dozen references to fan “hot button” topics and the were all nicely ’slipped-in”.
Later clue. Freighter tots NOT a big fan of Miles. That means he is VERY important.
Frank Lapidus. Frank = candid, direct, honest.
Lapidus = a type of granite, or in Hebrew - “Illumination”. Therefore - candid or direct illumination. I think he is going to be a neutral broker that speaks honestly about what is bogus and what is really happening.
Also - Daniel to Frank. Stay on the “heading” to get back to the ship. Two seasons ago we were told that 315 (or 325 by some accounts) degrees was the direction that would escape the island magnetics. A reciprocal would be 135 (or 145) degrees to get to the island. That puts the freighter NW of the island. The same direction that OA815 arrived from. (and why did Frank make a hard 90 degree right turn in the helo at the end of the show)?
Comment 17, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Nope…going nowhere fast. The show is now turning into a conspiracy theory, not good enough. Kate stays behind and Jack doesn’t shed a tear?
Jacob’s voice on the phone? morphing into Ben? WTF!
Desmond gets on the choper without a fight?
C’mon JJ, got to do need to do better than that.
Comment 18, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
sorry for that tripple comment back there. woops.
what is up with the site not putting comments up right away?
toeknee: agreed that was just all amazing final scene. mouth dropping, heart racing, constant gasping, last scene.
how many people actually know about ben’s off island buisness?
yeah, why wasn’t jack a bit more concerned with kate? i guess he must not care as much as we thought. oh well, i guess she’ll still have sawyer. looks like they get a bit cozy next week.
Comment 19, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Just a theory I have; looking for some feedback.
I agree that Micheal is the spy on the freighter. I think that he is doing this for Ben because he helped him get off the island.
Sayid is working for ben for the same reason. Somehow Ben becomes instrumental in helping the Oceanic 6 get off the island. Sayid then agrees to help Ben out of appreciation.
The “he” that Kate refers to is also Ben, not Sawyer. Perhaps she too is working for Ben. He not only helped her get off the island, but maybe had something to do with her not going to jail.
Jack is a good person, so he wouldn’t want to work for Ben. Maybe Ben let him take the credit for the escape (”A hero twice over”) and in return, Jack keeps his mouth shut. Hurley is not a problem because he is in the institution and nobody would believe him anyway.
Comment 20, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
At the end of the episode, Ben says to Sayid, “you want your friends to be safe, don’t you”…. so, this is the reason he is doing Ben’s dirty work. But alas, what dirty work does Ben have. How does a guy who has a terminal tumor on an “deserted” island have so much “business” off the island. And where are these so called “friends”, on the island or, is Ben referrening to the other 5 of the O6. As i have previously stated, I believe that more than 6 got off the island, but the “story” that was made up about the “plane crash” and subsequent survivors, there were only 6 who kept everything together and helped facilitate the rescue.
Comment 21, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I think the guy that visited hugo in the nut house is actually working for ben and ben is the one that is really trying to kill everyone because he wants to make a new island and sayid is just caught up in the middle, and desmond is the spy on the freighter and has always been the spy…..
Comment 22, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The O6 are Jack, kate, Sayid, Hurley, Jin and Sun. Don’t ask me where I got this but it’s the deal. My other theory: The Island is a time warp - different times on the two clocks help this theory. Other than that I gots nothing.
Comment 23, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
man you right micheal is the spy, man this show is just gettin so crazy…i need more like a vampire needs blood….
Comment 24, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Shooter @ Comment 21.
Good theories, I won’t completely endorse them, they have merit. But I definitely won’t dismiss them either. Big Question. What is so important, after the fact, that folks off-island have to be ASASSINATED? Revenge? To continue a decption? Money? Power? Greed? Love?
Lost Chicka - love the great shotgun thinking. u fired off quite a few (accurate) rounds for sure.
Comment 25, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
and what was that collar charlotte found in the desert on the dead polar bear…it ties to a station to the darma people….
Comment 26, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
WHOA DUDE!!!!!!!! UNBELIEVEABLE episode!!!! I am REELING!!!!!!!Here goes:
1. Sayid is Ben’s man on the freighter! Ben has had it all planned out. He’s got something on Sayid. He’s found Sayid’s weakness and is exploiting it as Ben says he loves to do. It has something to do with Nadia! We don’t know what else transpired between Ben and Sayid at the barracks.
2. Any potential connection between Daniel and Hurley since Daniel is dubbed a “nut case” by Naomi? They have not met up yet.
3. There will be some sort of an Abaddon vs. Ben thing coming up. Abaddon wants to know if Ben and Sayid are still alive. Maybe Kate and Jack, too. Ben is protecting them?
4. Bring back Charlie!
5. Where’s Alpert? What happened to him and the people that went with him to the “temple?”
6. Ben has been going back and forth to see Alpert.
7. The tots do know Penny. Why won’t they spill what they know about her to Des? Her dad found out about Penny’s rescue set up and got to them (tots) first to pay them off.
Comment 27, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
CS Lewis must know Darma, because she had a really big Cheshire cat grin when she saw the Dharma collar.
Comment 28, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The whole time delay on the rocket thing blew my mind. There’s a 30 minute time difference between the outside & the island?? I always thought it might have been DAYS, even WEEKS. There goes that theory!
DocH: I noticed the hard veer to the right too. What WAS that about?
Now I really think the island is being fought over by two corporations. Hence why Ben has to keep leaving the island for business. And why another group with a lot of resources is coming to the island not for the survivors but for Ben & to gain other information.
I’m still awestruck by this episode. That ending… Sayid always has the best episodes!
Comment 29, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
donkey wrote:
It doesn’t help the theory. It totally and completely sells the theory. We have all postulated the real world and the island were way out of sync. Now we have it. Daniel called in the rocket shot and expected it in short order. When it arrived it was 31 minutes out of sync. Now the question… is the island running faster OR slower than real time? A small rocket should only take about 3-4 minutes to travel from the freighter to the helo, from 80 or so miles offshore. 31 minutes on top of 3 minutes is about a 10-1 ratio. Therefore, island time takes 10 times longer than real-world time… they haven’t been on the island for 90+ days… they’ve been there for 900+ days in off-island time. (or 9+ days - not a math wizard here).
Comment 30, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Why sayid can hoop up with a white girl but i cant?? maybe i gotta move to europe… Who is alpert??
Comment 31, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Cool! That would explain Alpert not aging.
Comment 32, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow that was GREAT! Awesome on so many levels.
2 cents:
1) Somehow the O6 end up working for Ben and they are all kept off the island while the New group take over the island. Another great Switcheroo
2) Here is the kicker Desmond is the spy. He is going to the boat and no one noticed? He has been on the island how many times and he has a relationship that ben knows and understands. He just wants to see his Penny
Thats it I am still wondering about my underground ape colony…
Comment 33, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Huh. 30 minute delay. Biblical connection? There is a 30 minute silence halfway through the Tribulation. Book of Revelation.
Comment 34, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Well, speechless is an understatement. I have watched it twice and I am still reeling. Looks like timespace theories continue to be supported. Now is future Ben coercing Sayid or is Sayid on board? I am guessing Sayid is on board. He knew the freighties were bad news but are his friends on or off the island in future or both. Do they even know they are in trouble? Looks like Sawyer is staying, giving Kate the incentive to go back (not sure why she leaves in the first place). Did Locke use the volanic ash to trap the Jacob & cabin? Did Hurley somehow disturb it? Why am I not surprized tha Ben is a traveling man? So where is the portal? In the closet with the clothes? Absolutely fascinating!!!
Comment 35, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben got all these passports like he jason bourne…Ben working for the government as a covert operative and sayid has been recruited also, actually he is a double agent…
Comment 36, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Maybe Walt is some sort of spy. Does Ben actually leave the island OFTEN? There was all those passports and money as if he leaves every other day. Is there an airplane or something?
I think the bracelets mean they work for the same guy…Naomi and the blond chick that got shot at the end. The same guy might be Naomi’s boss and he is African American so can he end up being the one in the casket?
I think Sayid is now someone who is trying to keep someone from finding the island and maybe the “friends.”
That is all I can think of…..unless they are all living in some sort of alternate reality!
Comment 37, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
JN415 wrote:
My immediate thought was that he could not see the cabin because there were too many “non-believers” there, or that they had not crossed the ash/chalk perimeter to the cabin. Its’ important for sure - just no good guesses right now.
Comment 38, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
- Im not sure the clue was that the island is 31 minutes ahead or behind, but more that all the “numbers” appear again when both clocks are put together.
- If Ben is an international spy, who is Jacob, and why does the house disappear?
- They can’t all work for ben, ben told sayid “ure doing it to save your friends.”
- Where are the others?
Comment 39, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
man this blog has a 30 min delay…do yall think we could all be on the island right now???
Comment 40, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben having beaucoup passports….explains the polar bear in Tunisia?
Comment 41, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Sayid’s hitlist…Abaddon’s people, ie Naomi and the GG (German girl). The Ben vs. Abaddon thing coming up….
Comment 42, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
thats right ben when the clocks are put together the numbers appear again, i think those are actually the cordinates to the island on lattitude and longitude, thats why they pushed the button so outside people cant see the island on the grid map….
Comment 43, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
I wouldn’t think its Abbadon since he’s obviously got financial resources & wouldn’t need to be in that neighborhood. Plus we don’t know if the person is African- American, just living in a lower income neighborhood. I think the writers said that the person in the casket is someone we already knew & we hadn’t met Abbadon at that point.
But I DEFINITELY think the bracelets are a connection between the girls. Though Sayid seemed more surprised to see it on Naomi than he did the Berlin girl. Did anyone else feel like he recognized it?
I thought maybe it had something to do with his girlfriend. And any ideas as so R.G.? Regina?
Comment 44, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
If Ben really is some boss, corp. exec., or just crazy why did he get a tumor removed on the island. Obv with the money, passports, and clothes he could have gone anywhere. I like where the story is going, but am convinced they had no end plot to work with seasons 1-3. They were just making stuff up…
Comment 45, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Maybe Walt made it off-island. That’s why he has aged 2.5 yrs (900 days) and grown 6 inches in puberty. He is just “projected” back onto the island at critical times, like the “Island Whispers”.
This saga is always about redemption. Who redeemed themselves this episdode, and who failed or slipped in the redemption category?
Comment 46, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
It seems that Sayid is up to no good in the flash-forward. Yet in 3 seasons of watching LOST there is no character on the Island I would trust more than Sayid. None. So I am really wondering what the heck could’ve happened to get him to be doing Ben’s bidding.
One of the other LOST characters who always seems to be a good guy, someone we the viewer (and the other characters) can trust to try and do the decent thing is Hurley. Yet in this episode, he acts in an underhanded manner, tricking and deceiving his friends. That was distressing to me.
Comment 47, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
It doesn’t help the theory. It totally and completely sells the theory. We have all postulated the real world and the island were way out of sync. Now we have it. Daniel called in the rocket shot and expected it in short order. When it arrived it was 31 minutes out of sync. Now the question… is the island running faster OR slower than real time? A small rocket should only take about 3-4 minutes to travel from the freighter to the helo, from 80 or so miles offshore. 31 minutes on top of 3 minutes is about a 10-1 ratio. Therefore, island time takes 10 times longer than real-world time… they haven’t been on the island for 90+ days… they’ve been there for 900+ days in off-island time. (or 9+ days - not a math wizard here).
but daniel was talking to regina on the freighter in real time. im thinking if the rocket came 30 minutes later, the island is running slower. there was a great opportunity to see how far along the real world is really going, when Jack asked Frank about the world series, but Frank just dismissed it in disgust for the bosox. the island running slow theory can also be supported by alpert not aging, and juliet’s sister’s kid being what looks like to about 2-3 years of age already. oh wait, but julie said she was there 2-3 years…hm.
GOSH i love this show.
Comment 48, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Also- LOL @ Omar’s comments.
Maybe Hurley is replacing Locke as Jacob’s buddy & thats why Hurley says he shouldn’t have gone with Locke. He didn’t want to get involved with Jacob. That could be why he said something about, “He wants us to go back.” and gets so freaked out in the convenience store when he sees Charlie?
Thanks a lot Lost NOW I CAN’T FALL ASLEEP.
Comment 49, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Alpert is the Other that has known Ben since childhood and he hasn’t aged. He was involved in the Purge and also got Locke to convince Sawyer to kill his conman dad.
Comment 50, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
31 mins is exponential, the dude early hit the nail on the head 900 days or even more, check this…Island time moving much slower then real time. Desmond pressing the button slowed island time, now the island trying to regain is time equilbrium, present is catching up with past. We get to watch two periods correct themselves as the collide or pass eachother…woah.
Comment 51, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
saiyd is still finishing up island buisness, he cant go back to iraq, remember he is still searching for his true love, ben must know, or makes saiyd think he knows where she is, he must do these things to get back to her…
Comment 52, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Its like that movie where death will do anything to catch up with those that cheat it, I think that is the same principle here on this island as time balances it’s self…smoke monster is some how involved in this.
Comment 53, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Comment 54, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
However, Alpert was one of the two that helped recruit Juilette. He may not age on the island, but we know he has been off the island.
Comment 55, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
WOW…I love this show so much. Just had to say that before I read everyones comments…going back up now.
and Sayid looked amazing but I am shocked…okay going to read now…be back soon!!!
Comment 56, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
tc wrote:
LOVE this theory. LOVE.
Comment 57, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
myleee @ Comment 49
but daniel was talking to regina on the freighter in real time. im thinking if the rocket came 30 minutes later, the island is running slower. there was a great opportunity to see how far along the real world is really going, when Jack asked Frank about the world series, but Frank just dismissed it in disgust for the bosox. the island running slow theory can also be supported by alpert not aging…
I agree. Island slow. World fast. I totally forgot the BoSox reference, and laughed when you reminded me. THEN I REALIZED - Frank was probably shrugging off the remark because the Sox have just won the title again in three years - which Jack did not know. Hence the joke and a TIME DILATION clue.
Lets’ not forget the fertility issue and Juliet looking at xrays in Miami of 20-something women with 70-something uteruses (or vice-versa). There’s your time differential!
Comment 58, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
- some one asked who Alpert is: Dr. Alpert is the Other who never ages, wears a lot of eyeliner, and conspired with Ben to gas the Dharma Initiative
- Also, whoever said that Kate is working for Ben in the future is right on the money!! I hadn’t thought of that.
Comment 59, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Ok…New to this site but here is a couple theories based on what I have read…
Desmond is the spy. It explains his “visions”. He leaves the island for very short amount of times in island time, but can be 10 times that amount of time outside the island. So he sees that Charlie dies, and comes back to the island with his “visions”. He saves Charlie for reasons we don’t understand yet.
The time delay (about 10 times as long outside the island) explains why in the first episode of the season, the tv coverage talks about the “2004 crash of Oceanic flight 815″
We assume that we know 4 of the Oceanic 6, but don’t assume…The only ones we know for sure who have said they are members of the Oceanic 6 are Sawyer and Sayid…Jack must be also because he is back as a doctor at his old hospital…Never did Kate say she was a member of the Oceanic 6. She may have gotten off the island unknown to anyone else.
I also agree Michael is on the freighter, but I don’t agree he is Ben’s mole on the freighter…I think he is on there to come back and look for Walt…
Again I am new to this board but have always been a fan of Lost. Let me know what you think.
Comment 60, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
this is incredibly long:
shooter: good thoughts. maybe that’s why jack started crying when kate said that.
skweez: whew, so i wasn’t just making that up. what friends is he talking about tho? on island? off island? either way i think sayid would be willing to do it. or is it for nadia? but then why friendS?
omar: no way is desmond the spy on the freighter. i have no clue where you would even get that from. it’s michael, i’m convinced. ben doesn’t want to kill everyond or else he would’ve done that a long time ago. i don’t think abaddon (guy who visited hurley) is working for ben. if he was he wouldn’t have to ask hurley if the others were still alive. don’t worry, someday you’ll find love. lol. that would be so freaky if all of us lost addicts are on island time. that would explain why i was so late to everything today too. oooo….lol.
doc h: thank ya kindly.
intolost: 1) well maybe they played some pool while they were in there too. i don’t believe it’s possible for sayid to be ben’s man on the freighter. he’s been here the whole time, and he just now left. besides ben knew the info before. i think it’s michael on the boat
2) that would just be priceless.
4) no, he’s dead. let the dude rest in peace!
5) yeah where is alpert?
lesley: i have to disagree. i’m only now just started watching it for the second time, but i don’t think sayid is on board. i think once again he’s being forced to be the bad guy to save others (in iraq his family and with ben his friends). he’s not friends with the freiter tots, he’s going there to investigate (my thought anyways).
don’t you love just how freely jack gives the info on sayid away to frankie?
i think ben and abaddon are fighting over the island. i think in the big picture, ben wants the best for the island and abaddon wants to exploit it. i think abaddon has something to do with dharma, who wanted to use it for their own purposes, and ben with the hostiles, who wanted to keep the island safe.
and i am just as baffled as locke about jacob’s cabin missing.
Sayid Rocks My Socks Off!!! =]
Comment 61, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben wrote:
Maybe he could not trust anyone to do the surgery. And with good reason- people really ARE out to get him. Was the submarine already blown up at that point? I can’t really remember.
Why was he injecting sayid with something- is that normal bullet removal procedure?
I mean wasn’t it kind of weird that they met in a pound when it was closed? Does Ben work there? (I’m pretty sure he was wearing a lab coat) Did he break in to do emergency surgery? Does he just really like dogs??
SO MANY QUESTIONS.
Also in going with the mirror, faith/science, redemption theories… notice how once Sayid is off the island he is back into an intelligence gathering, murderous lifestyle similar to before the crash? I don’t think Ben is necessarily blackmailing him to work on this. I think Sayid is doing it for some of his own reasons but was shook up by falling in love for the German girl he just killed. He didn’t seem to mind his new job after he killed the golf man & calmly walked away.
Comment 62, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
i like where you guys are taking this time thing… ok, so, is it possible….
walt and michael in fact did make it off the island, time passes, and the live their lives off the island, and walt grew up in an altered time. imagining michael’s guilt leaving his friends behind, ben (or at least someone working for ben) coerces michael to be a spy on the freight, to do something good for his friends… the exact same way ben got sayid to work for him. just an idea.
so how much time has passed between the island and everything else? remember, jack asked if the sox actually won the world series, and frank responded like it had just happened yesterday. jack also said “i can’t believe it’s been 100 days since i’ve seen a game” — if time construct were largely different, i’m sure the number 100 would’ve struck frank as odd.
Comment 63, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
myleee @ Comment 49
but daniel was talking to regina on the freighter in real time. im thinking if the rocket came 30 minutes later
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also. radio comm travels @ ~186,000 miles per second vs. a mach 2 rocket @ 20 miles per minute. the radio call would still be almost instantaneous with a tenfold time delay, while the much slower rocket would go from a few minutes to half an hour.
Comment 64, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
it is possible that ben has a twin. ben is not a medical guy. why is he performing a medical procedure.
in fact - that guy could have been the REAL ben and its his twin that is on the island.
Comment 65, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Great episode:
-Michael could be the spy on freighter, but what about Walt,
-Walt is dead, Walt’s been dead sorry to say. No one shows up out of thin air only if there dead, i.e.-Jack’s father, Charlie, and Walt.
-Ben, now hear me out-is the Good Guy. Why? He warn everyone, and I mean EVERYONE about not getting off the Island and people on the freighter were not come to rescue them. Ben is chosen, by whom? Who knows, but his name in the bible means: the “son of the right hand”, that is, “of happy list of the sons of Jacob. Judah Ch.49
Comment 66, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
As for the oceanic 6….in season 3, Desmond tells Charlie that he has a vision of seeing Claire and the baby leaving the island on a helicopter. Leaves me wondering?!#@$
Comment 67, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
theories on desmond
he’s been pretty low key in terms of character importancefor the abilities that the producers/writers bestowed on him, especially this far into the storyline. he has visions, ones of the future and of the past, and has used them in present “island time” to help the oceanic815 batch get off the island. he has connections to Widmore, through Penny, which also helps the losties in getting off the island (somewhat). he came to island on a boat, by himself (actually, i cant really remember off the top of my head, but currently thats my guess). so why is ben not all that concerned with him, as much as Walt or Locke? Does Ben know he exists and know about his visions? Why wouldnt Ben use that to his advantage? Or does Ben know and is just using him as a test tube baby, to see from afar how else to harness the island’s powers? it just seems to me that desmond should be playing a more important role in the story than what he’s getting now.
wow, i really cant sleep, my mind is racing!
thanks for replying DocH!
Comment 68, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
why do my comments keep getting posted twice????
ben: i think because he would be on record then. idk tho, i’m not a genius. i just imitate one.
sjh: i think that’s why hurley feels bad about going with locke. he ends up becomeing a bad guy and is sorry for it. cuz good time hurley can’t handle stabbing his friends backs.
tc: ok, what? exponential? equilbrium? 2 periods correct themselves? again, i’m not a genius.
lostlaur: sleep? who needs sleep when you have lost??
i loved hurley’s mention of that break the guy’s neck with that break dance thing he did. i loved that. sayid is awesome. how many other guys out there can snap somebody’s neck with their legs?
alpert wears guyliner, not eyeliner.
Comment 69, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Ok. The bracelet. I think it meant something to Sayid when he saw it on Naomi. The other girl either had one too, or Sayid gave her the one he took from Naomi? I also think Sayind knows who Naomi is - I think he knew her from the past - they both have a military background - their paths might have crossed. He seemed touched by her death and wanted to make sure she had dignity by taking her back to the freighter rather than leaving her behind.
The bracelet definitely is a clue to someone or somehting.
Maybe Ben is playing both sides of the fence - maybe he was the girls boss and he was testing Sayids loyalty before he gives him a new mission - the real one.
He did mention at the end that Sayid was doing this to protect his friends and he also told him he had a new name for him - but of course we’ll have to wait until next week to find that out.
The hidden room with all the passports and clothes was definitely interesting and significant. Obviously Ben does leave the island and probably often.
Maybe he and Sayid are both good guys on a mission - sometimes good can be misinterpreted and innocent people become the “wanted” - just an idea….
I would be happy to see what anone thinks……
Comment 70, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone know if Sayid had flashbacks in Australia? Any scenes with him at the airport? I’m thinking maybe he was on the island before the crash. He knew the soldier from Iraq in the hatch?
Comment 71, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ben says of course she did when sayid says she wanteed to know about you. so that confirms she works for the same person who hired naomi along with the bracelets. which means she works for abaddon.
01001011: i don’t do the good twin/bad twin thing. KISS (keep it simple stupid - not saying you’re stupid…)
Comment 72, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
My thoughts on the meaning of RG on the bracelet…it stands for renormalization group which is related to theoretical physics, quantum theory, and maxwell. Any thoughts?
Comment 73, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Chrisbro wrote:
I tend to agree that you could be right - that is exactly what I came up with after last weeks episode and posted it somehwere. Jesus sets at the right hand of the father and since Ben means son of right hand - it could be a reference to him being a christ-like figure - remember Jesus was often mistaken for evil and was tortured - if we follow carefully and look for clues we may just find out that he really is the good guy?
Comment 74, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
teresa: never thought of that. but sayid did keep the bracelet, didn’t he? so i suppose it is plausible he could’ve had it and given it to her. i think sayid just has respect for the dead. it could be more tho. the bracelet is important. sayid is a good guy. when he was with the republican guard it was so they didn’t kill his family and now with ben so his friends are safe. ben i want to say is good, but…
olib: what soldier from iraq? the dude who taught him how to torture? sayid didn’t know that guy was on the island. and yeah, they have sayid’s flashbacks in australia. he was there to get his good ol college buddy essam to blow himself up so he could get nadia. and he stayed so essam could get a proper burial.
Comment 75, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Remember Sawyer was reading a mysterious book called “BAD TWIN” when the plane first crashed….I wonder if that’s a clue.
Comment 76, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
it is so clear now that there was no long-term plot written out during the previous seasons, must be hard trying to tie it all together
Comment 77, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Why did Miles specifically point out the children swings when he came upon The Other’s old community? Did he know that it’s impossible to have a baby on the island so he was surprised to see the swings.
Comment 78, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ok i got the golden ticket..Micheal is the spy on the boat, the four people on the helicopter did come for ben…not to kill him, but to rescue him..alpert already took the others to the temple which is the freighter, and those are bens people on the freighter…dont yall get it, ben has been beaten, almost killed and captured, he needs to get off the island more than anyone else in the show, but cant because alpert or abaddon is some kind of big boss, or there might be someone above them, but the real deal is that ben cant get off the island even tho he has passports and leaves often, is beacause he needs a replacement for his position….thats where john locke comes into play, cause he wants to stay and take over,…even jacob has lost faith in ben and wants locke to replace him….so the freighter is here to rescue and get ben off the island and thats it….oh and locke cant stay alone so he needs people thats why he split the camp in two…ben is the most intelligent man on the island and knows exactly, i mean exactly what he is doin…..he has been planning it for a long time now, ever since the plane crashed…that might have even been a set up..
Comment 79, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
have yall gone to the tailsection blog and read those theories on “vile Vortices”, which make alot of sense of jumping from one dimension to another…
Comment 80, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
haskins42 wrote:
I like your theory about Desmond, that would explain why we don’t see him for stretches at a time and if this time difference thing is about the island being on slower time, then that would explain his “visions” - how he knows things ahead of time - interesting - I hope you’re right about him, because he does seem to be a key player.
Also interesting theory about Kate not being one of the oceanic 6 - she would want to stay under the radar due to her “wanted” past. She could be referring to Sawyer, or if, as some have suggested she is working for Ben, that could be who she is referring too - which would still leave us three spots open for the oceanic 6 at this point - I think.
Ok - It’s late and I’m tired but this if fun trying figure everything out. We should all make a list of our predictions and then see how many of them are right! Oh wait, that is sort of what we are doing isn’t it :)
Comment 81, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh and I almost forgot - did anyone watch the repeat episode of last weeks show that gave pop-up explanations? When they were showing the tv coverage of the “found oceanic flight” there was a number at the bottom of their tv screen - -tonights pop-up said to call it for information about LOST. the number was 1.888.548.0034 - I called it - don’t waste your time - it is basically bogus - just gives a recording about the crash investigation and tells you there is nothing new! Oh, and if you are a family member of a victim of flight 815 they are sorry for your loss!
They do like to play mind games with us don’t they!
Comment 82, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I think the writers said that the person in the casket is someone we already knew & we hadn’t met Abbadon at that point.
The person in the casket is Rose. Hence, if the wormhole theory is correct- she was cancer free on the island, but once off of the island (as one of the 6?) she may have died of her cancer.
Comment 83, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
@Omar: I did a quick look at the Latitude and Longitude coordinates that you get from the 2 watches. 2.45.03N x 3.16.22W. The coordinates are definately out in the ocean… the only problem is wrong ocean. These coordinates are off the coast of Nigeria, Africa. See for yourself: mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?sear...
Now this is what mapquest spat out at me. I’m not 100% sure it’s right. Anyone else have any ideas?
Comment 84, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
First off…this was a great episode. Sayid is Hot with a capitol H!!!
They are doing a great job keeping me confused…everytime I think I have something figured out…the next episode pops a hole in my balloon! But here is my take on the episode.
My heart dropped when I realized that Hurley did set up Kate and Sayid. I think he did it for the right reasons though…he doesn’t want anyone else to be killed. He went with Locke to honor Charlie. I think Hurley feels Charlie was trying to tell them they would die if they leave the island when he died. Hurley is 100% good guy…just a little misguided at times. I was glad to find out it was a set up on one hand because I would have been very disappointed if Rose, Bernard, Claire, Sun and her husband had let Locke do that to Hurley.
Whoever said that Ben is like Jason Bourne was right on…I thought the very same thing! Explains how Kate was able to come back without any problems. Ben was able to give her a new identity. And Ben must have some kind of medical background..that is how he was able to recruit Juliet in the first place.
Sayid is working for Ben in order to protect his friends…Sayid has friends on both sides. Perhaps Sayid feels he is doing the noble thing by returning to the work (killing and torture) he hated to save the people he has come to care about.
As to why Jack wasn’t worried about Kate. Jack knows that Sawyer loves Kate and he will protect her.
I kind of think the island is like a Holy Grail and there are factions out to protect it at all costs and others want to destroy it and a 3rd. faction wants to exploit it. The people who survived the plane crash are just kind of caught in the middle. The Darhma Group wants to exploit it…I think Ben wants to protect it. He just goes about it in a funny way. The island doesn’t change a person..it just magnifies the faults and good qualities of the people on it. Locke was made almost superhuman and will do anything not to return to being paralyzed.
I still wonder why everyone seems to trust Desmond. I have been suspicious of him from the very first. Don’t like him…he is kind of swarmy if you know what I mean! And for supposedly being so in love with Penny it sure seemed like he was set to make a move on Claire last season.
Whatever happens I am in it for the long run. My heart broke when they killed Charlie..but I love Hurley and like I said…Sayid is HOT!
Comment 85, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
It appeared that Kate is a celebrity in the future from the previews for next week’s episode, so she must be one of the “6″.
I don’t buy Sayid giving the German Girl Naomi’s bracelet. Who in the world would want a bracelet with someone else’s inscription on it?
What was the deal with Locke and the sand where he thought the cabin was supposed to be?
Comment 86, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
you wanna know who the oceanic 6 is, it shows on the Lost season 4 promo poster, a light shines down on 6 people, ben,sayid,hurley,kate,jack and the last one is claire and so far 5 of those people weve seen
Comment 87, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
but then again ben wasn’t on the flight so it might one more person either than ben, which i think is locke or sawyer
Comment 88, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
great episode.
#21 i love your theory. that might just be.
#36 the portal in the hidden closet. that’s a good idea.
#52 that is insane (in a good way).
the person on the boat could be Micheal or walt, but it couldn.t be Desmond or Sayid because they haven’t left the island and Ben says that he has a man on the boat. this means that the person is on the boat right now (in lost world).
Comment 89, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
or desmond by some lucky chance…here is the poster…http://images.lostpedia.com/images/0/09/Lost_season_4_poster.jpg,
it also shows a pic of the skyline and and a number 6 in the water, im sure everyone already seen this tho
Comment 90, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
does anyone know the character who plays alpert is now on a show called cain?
Comment 91, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Omar–One of the most famous scenes of LOST is when Ben and the Others look up in the sky with amazement when the plane breaks into two and he sends people to join each half to find out what is going on. THERE IS NO WAY THEY EXPECTED THAT PLANE TO COME TO THE ISLAND AND CRASH!! A regular poster like yourself should remember that.
Comment 92, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Brilliant episode! :) wooohoooo!
- i don’t think Ben is the sole mastermind for everything, i think there is another leader (in addition to the mysterious Jacob, maybe Alpert?). Ben plays a key role in whatever the plan is and does a lot of dirty work while other leader(s) stay in the background not to compromise the island and whatever their mission is.
Chrisboro 68 - ‘Ben’s a good guy’, i actually think he really might be (in terms of having island’s interests in mind) and his tactics, despite their ruthlessness, might just get the job done.
Lost chika 62 - ‘Sayid is being forced to be the bed guy to save others’ and Teresa 72 Ben and Sayid are good guys ‘on the mission’ - i agree. i don’t think Sayid was necessarily forced, he just knows more and understand’s Ben’s mission (Sayid is not a guy to manipulate even by Ben).
i think the key is to understand why exactly Ben and others launched an attack on Dharma people in the beginning as obeviously they didn’t get rid of all of them so the fight continues and Ben and Sayid have to carry it out outside the island now (and perhaps they are most suitable for that even though there are other supporters and beneficiaries from what they do; they don’t do it just for themselves)
Omar 81 - Locke potentially replacing Ben on the island - very interesting… Maybe this is needed to enable Ben to take a more active role in protecting the island (or whatever Ben’s true motivation is) outside the island…
who knows!
Comment 93, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I had to talk to my “Lost Lovers” club this morning over breakfast to understand a lot of what happened last night! So many new directions to understand.
Did anyone else realize that Daniel Faraday was possibly a paraplegic in his flashback last week, and now he is walking around the island (do I hear John Locke?) He was seated in front of a TV, he had a caretaker, and when he was on the helicopter, the other folks said they had to push him out!
Did anyone think that the RG on the bracelet might stand for Regina? Was the guy on the golf course possibly the boss (the economist), and we saw Sayid kill him before we even knew about him?
As much as I follow this blog, I did not see the Hurley ploy coming. I was totally duped by that. I have to wonder, though, how/why he did it. I mean, was he threatened, bribed, or does he just not care about Sayid? He said “Sorry, dude”, but it just was unlike Hurley.
I am really confused by the absence of Jacob’s house/shack. I had thought that the ring of ash around it somehow kept Jacob hostage there so that Ben could sort of manipulate him (thus, “Help me!”).
Responses?
Comment 94, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
joel, that daniel thing is a very very very good observation
Comment 95, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
haskins42 wrote:
So we know Sawyer is one of the O6? How did I miss that? I’ve been so nervous that the end is near for him since it seems his story has resolved itself. But I love him and Kate together.
Comment 96, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
good point but i dont think he was cause i dont think naomi would have brought a quadro if she knew the mission could have been dangerous
Comment 97, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Still…something is up with Faraday that we are only beginning to see. Especially if he had a “caretaker”.
Comment 98, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Wild theory: Naomi is Nadia’s sister. The “Tell my sister I love her” was NOT (just) code for “I am in trouble.” That was Nadia’s bracelet that Sayid took. Nadia is alive and THAT is why Sayid wants to get to the freighter so badly.
The flash-forwards seems to be set in different time periods, so who knows where Sayid/Ben scene from last week’s episode fits in with the funeral parlor scene from the season 3 finale, but I still think it is Ben in that casket.
I always believed that Kate was not one of the O6, and then the trailer for next week made me question myself. However, now I think that perhaps Kate becomes famous for something else - she IS gorgeous, maybe she becomes a model!
The “ash” around the cabin… looks a lot like kitty litter.
Before we saw Ben’s face at the vet, I guessed it was him, but he sure SOUNDED like the “Jacob” voice that said “help me” to Locke. I don’t think Jacob exists - I think Ben set that whole thing up to “hook” Locke. I always suspected that, but now I am more confident in it. That’s why the cabin “disappeared” because Ben was finished with it.
I still think Evangeline Lily is MUCH prettier withOUT all that makeup from the season 3 finale.
: ) P
Comment 99, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Just a few observations and thoughts:
The name on Ben’s passport: “DEAN MOHIGHAN”, a character from Jack Kerouac’s “On the Road”
Naomi’s bracelet: The inscription was signed by the intials RG. The woman that the tots speak with is Regina and she sounds very similar to Naomi, could they be twins? When “Naomi” speaks to Abaddon about picking the four to go to the island, was that really Naomi or Regina?
Desmond and the picture of him and Penny that Naomi carried: The burning question, how does Naomi have this picture? Well, there is one character that everyone seems to forget, Desmond’s former hatchmate, remember the man who pushed the button for years before Desmond arrived on the island? The special forces commander from Iraq that has a link to Sayid? He’s connected to this in a very important way. Consider this: he’s not apart of the the others, he’s not a part of Dharma, he arrived on the island in someway like the freighter tots. Why? Well, Ben killed the Dharma initiative people you think he would have left one alive? He can’t be apart of the Others either because how could he have served in the military in Iraq? Could he have somehow sent a copy of Desmond’s picture off the island? In addition much like the tots when we first meet him, he is dressed in what? A chemical suit and a gas mask… just like the freighter tots brought with them. Although this guy only was in a few episodes and Desmond did kill him… it seems to be important to the story arc this year….
Sayid: The first man he kills is on a golf course in South Africa… The man did not recognize Sayid but the look of fear on his face after hearing Sayid’s name was unmistakable.
The island: Could the magnetic anomalies account for the slowing of time? If the magnetic field around the island is different compared to the rest of the earth would that slow time? Also the “magnetic expulsions”, ie when Desmond almost didn’t push the button in time which resulted in Oceanic 815 crashing and two seasons ago when the hatch exploded resulting in Penny’s antarctica team to “See” the island…. Do these magnetic expulsions result the island “jumping” into real time momentarily, thereby altering the space / time area around it? Think about it if the island is thirty minutes or three hours behind… does it exist in what one considers real time….?
Comment 100, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The woman that Sayid had to execute was familiar to him…she is the face on the Oceanic 815 golden ticket commercial…i can’t help believe that the passangers & the crash were all a set-up from the beginning also, about 80% of the main character names ARE biblical John, Jack, James are actually ALL derivitaves of Jacob and now Regina was the mother of Jacob in the bible. They sure pick clever names even if it’s only to keep us guessing!!!
Comment 101, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
WOW!! This show is out of control! OK where to begin? I think the bracelet Naomi was wearing had an N and a RG. Well it sure looked like the woman Sayid killed in France was wearing that bracelet as well. I think that the N is Nadia- Sayid’s lost love and the Rg is the Republican Guard. Remember when Sayid was in Paris in a flashback and was captured? Jack is not leaving that island without Kate. And what is up with the previews of Kate and Sawyer making out on the bed for next week. ATTENTION ALL JATERS!! WE HAVE A SITUATION ON OUR HANDS!! Can’t wait for next week.
Comment 102, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I haven’t read all the comments - yet - but want to get my question out there: did anyone notice the voice when sayid was getting stitched up in the vet’s office - at first sounded like Christian Shephard and then seemed to morph into Ben’s????
I think it’s obvious Sayid is doing Ben’s dirty work to keep those on the island safe.
Who was the Italian Sayid shot? He seemed to freak out when Sayid told him he was one of the Oceanic 6 - like he knew what was coming.
Comment 103, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The passport reads “Dean Moriarty”, not “Dean Moghigan”.
Comment 104, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Though the episode made for good entertainment, and was a great episode, Lost is officially a night-time soap opera. The twist of Sayid trusting and working with Ben was one tell tale sign, albeit minor. I will now watch it as such and the Pandora’s box of possibilities is officially open.
Hopefully, it is obvious that Sayid must help Ben in order to help the rest of the Oceanic survivors that aren’t part of the O6. Problem is that the people they are killing have to be somewhat aware that Ben or whoever is after them.
The guy on the golf course starts feeling uneasy when Sayid mentions he’s part of the O6. The part that gave me issues, was the ole fall in love with the enemy, but not really story line with Sayid and the German woman. I mean she shoots him and casually gets on the phone with her boss, knowing Sayid was there to kill him or her? Couple old guy’s uneasiness, with her knowledge of him being a killer, means she should be on her toes.
She would have to know he has some kind of killer instrument on him, and appeared to have pieced together his facade when talking on the phone. Not a good piece of writing given how dangerous/careful the powers that be seem to be with regard to all things island.
No way is Desmond on the boat as Ben’s spy. Doesn’t make any sense. He’s been on the island the whole time, no incentive to help Ben. Definitely, no way is Sayid Ben’s guy on the boat, are you folks watching the same show I was?
I don’t think Ben is a “good guy” at all, at the very best he can be an “anti-hero.” That would be a tough sell however at this point, given his past antics (namely being jealous that Locke could hear Jacob and shooting and killing him leaving him for dead).
Locke is a prime candidate for Anti-hero. He is someone we root for, even though he seems to lack traditional hero qualities. Lone wolf mentality sort of thing, plus he’s killing people (Naomi) w/o concrete evidence of her being evil.
Action/suspense/twist I give it a 8.5/10.
Writing I give it a 5/10.
Comment 105, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
renato: does anyone know the character who plays alpert is now on a show called cain?
Yes, he is on the show with Jimmy Smits,”Cane” and is is the brother, Frank, who is actually one of the main characters on the show. Interesting post on where the “Others” are, I think they will surface again for sure.
Comment 106, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
That “ash” around the cabin is sort of like a black magic thing. I believe its either ash, or gunpowder or some sort of powder, that repels evil spirits away from an area surrounded by that “powder”.
Comment 107, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Joel wrote:
No way was Daniel physically challenged prior to the island. Don’t you think the other four people would be looking at him in amazement? The four people don’t know each other like that, they were thrown together for some purpose. Somebody would have said something. He’s just a headcase.
Comment 108, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Joel wrote:
Pretty good episode. I think the reason the cabin was not visible, is because there were all the other folks there who are not “worthy” enough to see Jacob and the cabin. Remember Ben took Locke there to see if he could see Jacob. That is why the Others thought he was special. If you bring other people to the spot that are not worthy, they will not be able to see it. Just a thought.
Comment 109, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
There seems to be a time delay between the island and the freighter. Approx. 36 minutes according to Daniel’s experiment. I think that the helicopter is going to get stuck in a time delay next week. And yes, I believe that Naomi is Nadia’s sister.
Comment 110, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Bubbleburster–Phenomenal postings, I agree with you ALMOST completely with everything you said. First, did the other posters not hear when Ben said to Sayid on the Vet’s table that you need to keep doing what I tell you to or your friends will get hurt? So Sayid is definitely biding time until he can find a way to get back to the island and help those that were left behind by doing Ben’s dirty work.
Secondly, Sayid and Desmond are not on the boat, that is obvious but other posters are in their own world apparently.
And lastly, Daniel would not have been brought to the island to help capture/kill/confront Ben if he were paralyzed.
The only part I somewhat disagree with is when the German woman is on the phone: she is keeping a pretty close eye on Sayid and earlier he has said he understands no German so she probably feels comfortable talking to her boss without Sayid understanding. Then he breaks the mirror so she can’t see him reach for the gun and gives himself just enough time to shoot her.
One last note- Ben is bad. No ifs ands or buts about it. He has done too many deceptive and manipulative things to be anything but bad. From the beginning of the Others, he has a long list of criminal acts starting with the baby stealing and moving on to forcing Michael to kidnap (and ultimately kill) some of the Losties.
Comment 111, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Ok, here’s something that I was thinking during the show. Sayid was having a flashback, not a flashforward when he met the German woman. Now, when he killed the guy on the golf course, that was a flashforward. Something is given to him so he doesn’t remember Ben when the crash happens. He has been planted on the plane and now on the freighter. Ben controls him. The injection does this. I know this is wrong but I can’t figure out how Sayid knew about the bracelet on Naomi but acted like he had never seen it before after he shot his German lover. I’m extremely confused as you can tell. But this show answered a lot last night. We just don’t know all of what it answered yet. Ok, now make me understand why I’m so wrong about this. I really want to be wrong.
Comment 112, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Look up the element holmium (symbol HO) in the periodic table of the elements.
Comment 113, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Paul wrote:
The time travel/delay/continuum, is going to be hard to sell after this next episode, IF they don’t address it. If the island has slowed time for the occupants, while the real world operates on another time dimension, then when they get back to the freightor (if they get back) there would be all kinds of questions being asked. “hey you guys have been gone 2 weeks (or whatever) what the heck is going on?”
Moreover, when Daniel picks up the phone and talks to the freightor folks, they too would be asking questions like, “ok you guys have been gone 2 days (or whatever) what are you guys doing?”
If the mission is to get Ben, and they are some special operations group thrown together, the apparent leader of the freighters (I forget the name, but Miles asks to speak to him and is stonewalled, and the Pilot tells Daniel to hang up if he picks up) is pretty nonchalant about them being there. One would think he’d want updates as to what was going on, especially since one of his people (Naomi) gave the trouble signal or he knew was killed.
Comment 114, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Sawyer’s Evil Twin wrote:
Yep you are wrong. It appears that going forward, traditional characters will be flashing forward, while the new ones get flashbacks, only to give background information as to who they are or how they came to be.
Ben says to Sayid, “Remember what happened the last time you thought with your heart not your gun.” Though it is not a direct reference to island activity, it simply would not make sense for him to reference something “pre-island” that we as viewers would have no idea what he was talking about. Film is expensive, so they can’t start telling “irrelevant tales.”
Finally there has been no time for Sayid to get captured, memory loss planted in him, and then Ben stealing away to keep giving him memory loss injections. K.I.S.Silly. I won’t call it stupid because like another poster put up, the pandora’s box is open and it is a possibility, though I think it is weak.
We don’t know what Sayid was thinking when he looked at the German woman’s bracelet. He could have been reading the inscription. I don’t think he was acting like he knew what Naomi’s bracelet was, but if he did, maybe it is because it was a military thing. The inscription however seemed hardly military.
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OK, I’ve just started watching this show as off this season but here is what I’ve surmised.
Island time is 1/30 of real time (roughly). therefore 90 days really equals approx. 90 months.
That is why Charlotte says something to the effect of “Have you really been living on this island that long?” when she first talks to the Losties.
That would also explain why the one character comes back a lot bigger, he was actually a couple or few years older because he was off the island.
That would also explain other people aging much quicker than they should have in respect to the islands time.
Not sure how they can talk to others on the freighter in real time, but that might have something to do with the special phones/walkie talkies they are using.
Just a way out there theory, this island is similar to the lost continent of atlantis, in that it was super advanced, technology wise, thousands of years ago. This would explain the polar bear in the dessert with the Dharma collar. Dharma has been operating there for thousands of years in a relatively high tech way, experimenting with polar bears etc.
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How can Naomi be Nadia’s sister? Yes, she has tan skin but other than that she doesn’t really have any middle eastern features. Also she has a British (or something like it) accent, that is completely different than Nadia & Sayid’s. Unless she was the long lost sister who grew up in a British boarding school or something. But I’m pretty sure that would be a bit ridiculous.
I’m glad they’re bringing back some good old Lostie sex next week- all this batman lair in Ben’s house, secret agent Sayid & Hurley being bait was really starting to get me down.
I don’t agree that the writers are just making stuff up now. I’m pretty sure that shows have to start out with a pretty complete storyline in case they have to end it after 1 or 2 seasons. Since it was so popular from the beginning they may have had to tweak it a bit or find ways to expand it but I definitely don’t think it’s all freestyle.
It’s just that in the past seasons its been all about developing the characters & their stories. They couldn’t figure out how to get off the island on their own, so they sort of tinkered around and besides Michael didn’t really have a sense of urgency about it. They focused on surviving. Now that there are outside forces and a clear opportunity to get off the island, they have that motivation to be worried less on relationships & introspection and more about action. Plus some of them have a really important reason to get off the island- Sun and Jin for ex.
I think that even though Ben had all those passports & money, he hasn’t been off the island recently. If he did couldn’t he have figured out a way to keep the freighties away ahead of time? That didn’t involve him being turned into hamburger meat by Sawyer & Jack…
Things I am DYING to see in the next few episodes:
The temple
Jacob & his cabin
Jack’s dad
More flashBACKS from the freighties- especially Miles
More Sun, Jin and Hurley just cause I like them
Comment 117, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Another theory, if Ben leaves the island every week, island time, that would mean he is leaving the island once every 210 days (assuming one day on island equals 30 days outside island).
The girl Sayid kills says her boss only shows up about twice a year (every 210 days approx) so maybe Ben is her boss.
Comment 118, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
-Walt is dead, Walt’s been dead sorry to say. No one shows up out of thin air only if there dead, i.e.-Jack’s father, Charlie, and Walt.
** Could it be that Walt has always been ‘dead’ and that’s why his step-father was weirded out by him and sent him back to Michael?
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Hey Lost Bloggers–I’m afraid I’ve had to unsubscribe from your RSS feed because of this post. Sticking a big photo of Sayid on top and revealing he’s the subject of the episode in the first sentence, without warning, spoiled the ep for me.
Comment 120, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Sean T.-You’ll be greatly missed??!! Who the Bleep cares? And how does Sayid’s pic ruin an entire episode??
Comment 121, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur wrote:
My theory started from the fact that Sayid looked as if he KNEW that bracelet - perhaps he gave it to Nadia? I think Naomi has “middle eastern” features as much as Sayid did. And actually, I don’t really think Nadia had “middle eastern” features. If Naomi is an experienced operative, affecting an accent wouldn’t be too difficult. I don’t remember Nadia’s voice.
: ) P
Comment 122, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Nadia’s Iraqi
Naomi’s Australian - looks aboriginal. They are not related.
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Wow, wow wow! Great comments Shooter, tc909, lostchicka, Paul. Its funny how people get similar ideas.
First of all what’s up with Sayid being with white girls that are “no good for him”. Shannon was the one who lied in the airport that Sayid left a bag and got him in trouble and now German girl (I think her name was Elsa or Ilsa) who wants to bring him in to her boss. I also think the bracelet has a history with Sayid -prior to island. Sayid wouldn’t lift something off a dead woman and then give it to a new girl, especially after a week. (I would throw that crap back if it had someone else’s initials). Naomi must have gotten the bracelet from someone who had the bracelet after Sayid, like the American soldier who made Sayid a torturer. Plus Naomi also had a book in Portugues (researchers working with Penny) and Desmond’s picture (Penny). I guess she went to a garage sale of Losties’ related items :). N could stand for Nadia and RG for Republican Guard so Sayid’s identity would be protected. He must have gotten it either in Austraila or Europe otherwise it would have been written in Arabic, like Nadia wrote on her picture. Maybe he got Elsa’s bracelet at the same place….aah. I don’t think Nadia and Naomi are sisters though.
The list is probably one that leads to Abbadon (like Kill Bill) with the bad guys (either Dharma related or unknown evil people who want to exploit the island) and the other side that Sayid works for has Ben and then Jacob? at the top. Sayid understands ben’s mission now, preserve the island no matter what the cost.
Love Hurley’s reference to Miles…”Great, they sent us another Sawyer”. I was thinking same thing, just Sawyer in Asian guy form and not as hot. Sawyer and Kate hook up again in next episode and in Ben’s room, that’s a little gross. Maybe Ben helps Kate get a new identity since he’s good at it and also strikes a deal with Sawyer, another member of the O6.
Thanks you science people for breaking down the math and time differnce. I was trying to remember my physics class last night to see the difference but I didn’t know the average rate of a missle/rocket like that. With the time/space difference - ripple in time?, can’t think of the book I read in 6th grade trying to remember. Now it makes sense the women dying by being pregnant, the body is good at adapting, but we need 40 weeks gestation and if the timing is off, such as too fast/slow the body may not be able to handle it and ergo miscarriages/death.
The Red Sox comment was good since pilot guy didn’t mention exactly how long ago that was.
What was the golf course guy’s name, Sayid said it before he died and obviously this character had something to do with the crash or with the “rescue crew” and tried to avoid Sayid after he said he was one of the 06. Or maybe the bracelet was given to Naomi from one of the members from the List.
This season seems full of twists and turns. What about Smokey or where’s Patchy - on the freighter/dead and what’s up with his 9 lives. When are they going to show the Orchid or reveal more Jacob info.
Lovin LOST
Comment 124, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The guy Sayid killed on the golf course did seem confused/amazed/nervous after Sayid told him who he was, but he pulled himself together enough to hit a terrific golf shot; which anyone that plays golf knows would be very difficult if you were really that nervous. So that part confuses me, but it does seem like he knew he was in danger.
Comment 125, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
WELL, I REALLY LIKED LAST NIGHTS EP. WHAT GOT ME IS,1.THE 30 MIN TIME DIFFERENCE MIGHT MULTIPLY ITSELF LIKE RIPPLES IN A SPLASH MAKING IT 1 YEAR REALLY 20+ YEARS .OR 2.DANIEL KNOWS THE EXACT ANGLE TO PASS THRU A TIME WORMHOLE THATS WHY THERE IS A PLANE IN THE OCEAN IN ONE DIMENSION AND A PLANE ON THE ISLAND IN ANOTHER..PLUS THE HELICOPTER PILOT WHO SAID HE WAS SUPPOSE TO BE ON OCEANIC815 WAS ACTUALLY ON THE ONE IN THE PILOT EPISODE(HE’S THE ONE TO GET GRABBED BY THE MONSTER IN THE COCKPIT)
Comment 126, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
The problem I’m having with the time continuum references is that when the new folks get there, it really would be astonishing, and not in the sarcastic way that Miles gave, that the Losties had been on the island for 90 months, 2 years, or whatever we have calculated the “lost time” to be.
Thus when Sayid tells him, you’re not surprised, it would be hard to sell the, “gee your part of the Oceanic flight 815 that crashed 2 years ago…*wow*”.
Charlotte would also have been like, “you guys have been living on this island since the plane crashed, 2 years ago?”
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One other thing I thought was interesting last night. This settles some of the talk on this blog last ep. Sawyer called Kate ‘Freckles’ last night. He also called her Kate. I think sometimes we read too much into this show. See my post above as a perfect example.
Did Locke make that sand line in a previous ep when looking for the cabin? I guess we’re just supposed to know he left bread crumbs like that?
Comment 128, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
Well the powers that be, seem to be cool and calm, and so it is plausible that he could hit that shot even knowing the danger. Also he may not have known the exact danger, just that he doesn’t want to be too close to the O6 because he knows about the island.
If they felt the O6 were that dangerous, they in their mysterious ways, would seemingly be able to off them one by one, or simultaneously.
The List members don’t seem to know that Ben is still alive though, that’s why German woman’s boss wanted to ask Sayid questions. So they in theory may not have known they were in supreme danger, even after they start getting killed, since they may not keep in constant contact with each other.
Which bring me to how will Sayid be able to continue his hunt, if at least one List Member knows that he is a target, and seems powerful enough to counter his activity. It would also seem like Sayid’s actions may put the other O6 in jeopardy, as one of them all of a sudden is killing people?
Comment 129, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
There is definitely a time difference but it really doesn’t make sense because night and day are determined by the spin of the earth and if the island is on the earth, it should have the same day and night as the rest of the planet.
But that being said, it is science fiction and some people will let this slip in favour of a good story.
So the rocket took around 30+ minutes to travel 25 miles (40 Km) which means it is travelling at a little less that 60 miles/hour (1 mile/minute).
Does this mean only a couple minutes have passed in island time? How much time did Daniel perceive had passed?
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Sawyer’s Evil Twin wrote:
That sand line was there previously. Locke made a definite mental note of the sand line. While we surmised that it may be something to keep powers out/in, it may have just been a marker to let those in the know, know where the Cabin is, in case they are with folks who are not worthy enough to see the Cabin/Jacob.
Comment 131, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Has Ben aged more relative to the other others? That would seem to support his off-island travel (ages while he is away) as well as the need for him to be replaced.
Comment 132, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I didn’t see this mentioned yet - sorry if I missed it.
Since Naomi arrived on the island last season, there has been lots of speculation as to who hired her, and one of the theories (which I think is possible) is that it was Penny’s dad. In this episode, when Desmond asked Frank and Daniel why Naomi had the picture of him and Penny, he mentioned her full name (Penelope Widmore), and then Frank and Daniel sort of looked at each other as if that meant something to them. That makes me think even moreso that Penny’s dad is involved in this. How or why? I don’t know that…..
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Zoe Bell is listed as the actress playing Regina on lostpedia. I IMDBed her to double check that this was the same ZOE Bell from Grindhouse and it is. She doesn’t look anything like Naomi. I think that whole “tell my sister I love her thing” was definitely code for “i’m in trouble”.
I’m throwing my hat in with the Kate’s working for Ben in the future camp. Jack would understand how manipulative and evil he is given his interactions with him on the island. Likely Kate is employed similarly to Sayid as an assasin of sorts. The question we need to ask then is who is being targeted and for what reason?
Future Kate & Sayid don’t seem to care much about going BACK to the island, though Future Jack does. WHY?
Comment 134, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I wrote this in a different post but I think Naomi calling Daniel a “head case” may be a clue that he was in the same mental hospital with Hurley, Libby, and the numbers guy at some point.
The whole Sayid thing was mind blowing! It seems like Ben is manipulating him into assasinating the people on this list…Ben said something about you want to help your friends, right? I was so expecting to see Vincent in the vet’s.
I saw a screenshot of Naomi’s bracelet. It said “N, I’ll always be with you. R.G.” So I guess Elsa and Naomi worked for, were involved with, or at least knew the same person?
The time difference between the island and the world is intriguing and I’m sure part of the big picture.
I still am not sure who Ben’s man on the boat is. Was the fact that Sayid is doing his bidding in the future a clue that he is the man on the boat? Maybe when they were together in the game room they struck some kind of deal and Ben knew when he said that(last week)that he would be able to turn one of them to working with him.
Overall great episode! I adore Sayid and think that he is one of the few who’s mission has stayed consistent on the show…to help his friends no matter what, without his own agenda. He is a survivor and seriously hot!
Comment 135, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Here’s another sand theory: if the cabin jumps around, maybe the sand is made when it materializes somewhere, like it burns the grass there or something. Maybe part of what makes Ben special is he knows how to find the cabin. Maybe Hurley too.
Comment 136, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Joel wrote:
I agree. Notice that when he first landed he was VERY unsteady on his feet, not just from landing but possibly from a lack of balance and/or weak leg muscles.
Maybe they knew he would be able to walk when he landed?
Comment 137, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I’m sorry, but I don’t follow the remarks about “Abaddon” or “Alpert” who or what are these????
Comment 138, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Interesting anagrams for “Dean Moriarty”
A Dreamt Irony
Ordinary Mate
Idea Martyr No.
Comment 139, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I just looked at Dark UFO’s screen caps of the two bracelets and they really aren’t that similar. Elsa’s appears to have a silver wire wrap detail around the two ends and Naomi’s has oblong cut outs and engineered screws in hers. There are no visible cut-outs in Elsa’s bracelet, but rather what appears to be a linear indentation along the center.
I think we’re stretching connections between the bracelets. Check it out: bp3.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/R...
Comment 140, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Barb wrote:
Naomi looks nothing like an aboriginal. She’s a Briton of Indian descent.
Comment 141, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I stand by my theory from previous weeks that the reason Kate is not in jail is that Ben changed her past for her. I also still believe that Ben is the “he” she needs to get back to.
Here are some new thoughts. Ben IS the good guy. It takes different people longer to figure it out, but eventually they do. Ben is protecting the island and it’s capabilities from being exploited for evil (i.e. control/ distruction of the world). Sayid is on board because he comes to understand this. That is why he is killing the BAD guys and working with Ben.
Oh, at the end Ben injects Sayid NOT to do surgery on him, but to send him back to the island to be healed. (remember they had to inject Juliette before she traveled to the island?) Now that Sayid is a believer, he can Travel back and forth between the island and the real world, too. Eventually Jack will figure it out too and he will return to the island.
Comment 142, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
This is my first post on here but I’ve been reading everyones posts for the last 2 seasons. Y’all are so smart and catch things that go right over my head!
A few observations:
-Is the German Girl really in the Oceanic Golden Ticket Commercial? Does anyone have a link to that? And what is her name? Does it begin with an N also?
-I don’t think that the RG on the bracelet stands for Regina because why would you break a name apart to initial it? My name is Susan and I never have initialized it as SS…. ya know?
-As for Ben’s passport name “Dean Moriarty” - this s character from On The Road who he based on his crazy real life friend Neal Cassidy
-When Miles is doing the “Ghost Buster” job at the Woman’s house in the flashback - who is the child in the photo and what was the relationship there? Was it Michael as a child?
-Maybe Faraday was a cripple and they brought him with them to test the islands capabilities?
-I agree that Kate is not one of the O6 and who was she referring to as “him” when she met Jack in the season 3 finale? Jack seemed to be aware of who “he” was so if she meant Ben then it could be confirmed that they are all working for him in the future?
PS - love Syaid - I trust him more than anyone and given the chance to be protected by any one lost character on that island I would pick him…
Comment 143, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone know how long Kate’s jail term was supposed to be?
Comment 144, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Another thing I just remembered…I think Elsa was contacted by her boss on a pager. Sayid says something about there being better technology out there. That reminded me of Ben saying something to the effect last season, about Jacob not liking technology(to Locke I think).
Comment 145, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
spiralturtle wrote:
Naomi looks nothing like an aboriginal. She’s a Briton of Indian descent.
My point is they are not related - as was a theory a while back.
But no one’s commented yet on my question way up there - when Sayid comes into the vet’s office, we don’t see Ben, just hear his voice. It sounded strangely like Christian Shepherd, not ben, and then with each word seemed to morph into ben’s voice and then we Ben. Did anyone hear that too.
I also agree the cabin is beyond the ash but hidden because Locke brought all his followers, who are NOT supposed to see it.
Comment 146, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ANother question:
Why is it thought that the gal with Daniel (when he’s sitting in the chair watching the newscast of the 815 discovery) is his caretaker? Not a friends, sister, girlfriend, wife???
Comment 147, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Barb wrote:
Because when they replayed it yesterday the caption said she was a caretaker.
Comment 148, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Barb wrote:
The episode that airs before the new one with the pop ups indicates this. It gives a lot of good clues the week after it airs.
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Miraks wrote:
Excellent point!
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Teresa wrote:
I tend to agree that you could be right - that is exactly what I came up with after last weeks episode and posted it somehwere.
Jesus sets at the right hand of the father and since Ben means son of right hand - it could be a reference to him being a christ-like figure - remember Jesus was often mistaken for evil and was tortured - if we follow carefully and look for clues we may just find out that he really is the good guy?
could be but also revert back to “man of faith, man of science” if you play the Biblical reference Locke is by far the most “Christlike” and his discussions and encounters with Ben can be paralled with Jesus’ encounters with the devil
Comment 151, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The comment that one of the freighter people made about the swingsets reminded me… do we have any idea what happened to the children that the Others kidnapped?
Also, I have seen the freighter people referred to as “tots.” Please could someone explain that reference?
I like the idea that Kate has to get back to “him” means Ben. That would explain the mild contempt in her voice when she said it.
I remember hearing somewhere (the commentary on S1 DVD’s maybe?) that JJ/Lindeloff had the entire series mapped out before the pilot was shot. Given how many little hints for THIS season we saw in season one, I think this might really be true. If so, those guys are pure unadulterated geniuses!
: ) P
Comment 152, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
i am not going to pretend i understand relativity but it seems to be playing a large part in the show. it took the rocket 2hrs 45 mins and 3 secs to get to the island relative to the people on the island. it took 3 hrs 16 mins and 22 seconds according to “itself???” the clock in the rocket. it took thirty seconds relative to the people on the boat–remeber her counting down. so there is more to this than a 31 min delay.
i know there have been experiments that a plane flying further from the earth has a clock showing a slower elapsed time than one moving on earth.
so gravity and light affect time– but seriously i don’t know what could explain this–any physicists out there that can explain it? i’ve tried to read dumbed down laymen’s physics books but still don’t fully understand.
Comment 153, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The time dilation clue in last night’s episode was very, very interesting. I’ve been trying to reconcile how Benjamin Linus could have grown up on the island if the time difference is 10:1. Based on the van, decor and technology in the various hatches, it seems like he may have arrived on the island as a kid (maybe 11 years old) in say 1960. In real world terms, that is 48 years ago, but on the island time would slow to only 4.8 years during the same period. So, how could he have grown from an 11 year old to a adult man that appears to be about 45 years old in only 4.8 years? One theory is that he spent a significant amount of time off of the island. This could be supported by all the passports, money from various countries, etc. Still this leaves quite a bit of time in his life to be explained. The future Benjamin seemed to be pretty comfortable in the “real world” with Sayid. This would also support the theory that he is a frequent traveler to the real world.
I also never really understood why the “others” went to so much effort to keep the island a secret. Assuming the time discrepancy is true, it’s easy to believe that many people would be interested in living in a place that could slow aging by a factor of 10. Could you imagine being able to live 800 years instead of 80?
Comment 154, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Teresa wrote:
I like your theory about Desmond, that would explain why we don’t see him for stretches at a time and if this time difference thing is about the island being on slower time, then that would explain his “visions” - how he knows things ahead of time - interesting - I hope you’re right about him, because he does seem to be a key player.
Also interesting theory about Kate not being one of the oceanic 6 - she would want to stay under the radar due to her “wanted” past. She could be referring to Sawyer, or if, as some have suggested she is working for Ben, that could be who she is referring too - which would still leave us three spots open for the oceanic 6 at this point - I think.
Ok - It’s late and I’m tired but this if fun trying figure everything out. We should all make a list of our predictions and then see how many of them are right! Oh wait, that is sort of what we are doing isn’t it :)
Look at the preview for next weeks episode- It specifically shows Kate getting out of a limo wearing sunglasses and being photographed and they said something about her “being one of the most recognzied faces of the year” or something along those lines, so I would think that she is one of the O6- also i agree with the theory that Claire and Aaron are the other two that get off the island because Charlie is willing to sacrifice himself bc of Desmond’s vision of the two of them “leaving the island in a helicopter”. Also- what happened to Alpert and all the Others? Are they all just chilling at the Temple waiting for ben or what? you’d think some of them would have gone looking for him by now…also why all the safety equipment (biohazard saftery things, gasmasks etc) that were in the steel box dropped from the plane that Faraday claimed to know nothing about? another purge perhaps?
Comment 155, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
No one has mentioned Miles’ ghost buster exorcism in his flash back. It looks like he was using a dust buster!
Comment 156, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Susan wrote:
People have mentioned it, in the thread for that episode! Check out the Confirmed Dead Thread for that discussion.
Comment 157, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Desmond is NOT Ben’s man on the boat.
Nobody we see hanging out on the island can be. Notice how the freighties had to take a helicopter to get back? Means you can’t just do a doggy- paddle to get to wherever the boat is. And seeing as it took the ROCKET 30 minutes to get there- translate that to a canoe or something. It can’t be a high tech boat either because who would be able to slip away from the Losties with a boat without them noticing?
ALSO- it may be easy for Desmond to get away from the Losties without them noticing- he’s always been a loner, but don’t you think the people on the boat would be all, “Hey, Desmond sure has been in the bathroom for a long time…” He wouldn’t be able to slip back and forth between the two and still keep his affiliation with Ben a secret. The person on the freighter stays on the freighter.
Therefore, Ben’s man on the boat is either:
A. An other who can leave their camp without a lot of questions from his/her peers
B. Someone we don’t know & maybe don’t need to know beyond the fact that he’s feeding Ben info on the down-low -or-
C. someone the Losties don’t miss- whether it’s the Micheal theory or they think the person is dead
Comment 158, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I forgot to add
D. Something totally unexpected from the writers that will blow all of our minds as per usual…
: )
Comment 159, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
Also:
Marrano Deity
Marrano is spanish translated literally to “pigs”.
So Ben is god of the boars? J/K, I think we look for too much in these things sometime, or can see whatever we want if we look hard enough!
Comment 160, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Bill Bixby wrote:
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Lost Addict wrote:
Very good point. I thought I was the only one that noticed he arrived as a younger boy and is now much older, making you wonder that at least 30-40 years have passed, with Alpert not getting older. Also, has any one wondered if the young girl that young Ben was friends with and took a liking too when he was a boy was purged with Darma or if she will resurface somehow? Maybe not that important. Lastly, remind me again how the French woman came to be on the island (mother of the girl that Ben took as his daughter).
sorry for the dup posts
Comment 162, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
I can’t debate who the “he” is. However I will try the Ben is a “good” guy theory.
Ben tells Sayid, “you want to help your friends don’t you?” If Ben is good, he can’t be referring to the Oceanic survivors, he’d have to be referring to some other group of people. Why you ask?
The show is about the Oceanic survivors. We as viewers then hope that the survivors make it back to civilization. Now other hopes may have come up, but the main idea is to get them back. Locke is part of the Oceanic survivors.
Is Locke a “good” guy? I would say yes. His actions are consistent with doing good. Helping a druggie stay off drugs, trying to save Oceanic survivors from the impending doom, etc.
Ben shoots Locke leaving him for dead. End of Ben being good in my book. There is a laundry list of deeds done by Ben that, even under the guise of “protecting the island” still come off as fanatical. Kiinda like how terrorists apparently view their actions to be “good”, even though the world over believes them to be bad.
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tc909 wrote:
Fair enough. I just like anagrams ;)
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Some observations -
Kate is obviously one of the O6 based on the preview for next week, but that doesn’t mean she can’t work for Ben. Obviously we know Sayid is an O6, but he is helping Ben, why not Kate?
I don’t think we know Ben’s man on the boat, that would be too easy.
It was suspiscious how the heli pilot told Daniel to hang up on Minkowski and the weird look that those two gave each other when Des pressed them about Penny, something’s up there?
It will be interesting to see how Kate ends up being rescued and Hurley too…
I think Locke was really confused about not being able to see the cabin, couldn’t tell from Ben’s expression what he was thinking, but it was probably because so many people were around, not sure what he thought everyone would be able to see the cabin, that would lead to a lot of questions from the rest of the group.
Sayid didn’t look like he recognized the bracelet from Naomi, but he did seem interested in it, I think it will play a part later
I really thought it was Christian Shepherd in the vet at the end, the voice did seem to morph into Ben’s…and on the phone earlier in the ep it sounded more like Jacob
I love LOST!
Comment 165, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Here are my thoughts:
Scientists (probably Dharma) working on the islend, discovered how to do two things: time travel, and teleportation. Either they invented machinery to do these things, or have discovered a naturally-occurring time/space warp near the island, and figured out how to exploit it successfully.
The time travel possibilities have been well explored on this forum. Examples include: the presence of the both the “Black Rock” and 4-toed statue, the big-band music heard on the radio, the whole Desmond thing, the rocket, the old lady in the antique shop, etc.
As for teleportation, I believe this would explain a few things. First, how a polar bear was found in the Tunisian desert with a Dharma tag. Second, how Ben is able to leave the island to make use of his business suits, passports, and currency. Third, how Jacob’s hut is there one minute, gone the next, and has seemingly been in two different places. Fourth, how Locke’s dad was brought to the island. Fifth, how the Black Rock actually ended up in the interior of the island. I bet if I thought about it, I could think of other examples.
In any case, Ben understands that if these capabilites were to fall into the wrong hands, human civilation could be utterly destroyed. In fact, with time travel, paradoxes could be created that could potentially destroy the world/universe/etc. Really bad things, to be sure.
I believe Ben is honestly acting in the best interests of humanity, by trying to keeping these capabilities out of the hands of evil people who would exploit it. He has done horrible things along the way, certainly. But I suspect he was acting out of a larger, nobler purpose.
Again, I believe Dharma discovered or created these technologies. Ben and Alpert surmised that they would be used for evil, and decided to purge the Dharma people and “hide” the island. However, there are off-island Dharma people too, especially its financiers (perhaps including Mr. Widmore & Mr. Paek), and they are now determined to find Ben. Both to kill him for what he’s done, and also to regain access to the island and its time/space warp capabilities. They will do whatever is necessary to obtain it, and Ben knows it, so he responds in kind to thwart these “evil” people.
The “evil” people arranged for 815 to crash on the island, starting by substituting their own pilot. Their aim was to somehow get Ben and the island out of hiding, so they can gain control of it. Kelvin was part of this conspiracy, choosing carefully the time in which to leave the hatch, and knowing Desmond would follow and fail to press the button - thus causing the crash. I am 100% convinced the plane crash was arranged. Not too much a stretch at this point, because we’ve seen evidence that it is now being covered up (”Confirmed Dead”).
So that’s it for now. I have more theories, details, and supporting evidence, but I thought I’d start by tossing these out there for consideration.
Comment 166, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I can’t debate who the “he” is. However I will try the Ben is a “good” guy theory.
Ben tells Sayid, “you want to help your friends don’t you?” If Ben is good, he can’t be referring to the Oceanic survivors, he’d have to be referring to some other group of people. Why you ask?
The show is about the Oceanic survivors. We as viewers then hope that the survivors make it back to civilization. Now other hopes may have come up, but the main idea is to get them back. Locke is part of the Oceanic survivors.
Is Locke a “good” guy? I would say yes. His actions are consistent with doing good. Helping a druggie stay off drugs, trying to save Oceanic survivors from the impending doom, etc.
Ben shoots Locke leaving him for dead. End of Ben being good in my book. There is a laundry list of deeds done by Ben that, even under the guise of “protecting the island” still come off as fanatical. Kiinda like how terrorists apparently view their actions to be “good”, even though the world over believes them to be bad.
It would seem to me that only “The Others” go through the not aging process, or at a maximum only Richard. Ben’s father also aged quite a bit while on the Island, which would be inconsistent with the theory that aging is slowed.
Comment 167, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
FYI - Richard Alpert (the “other” who doesn’t age) is also the name of Ram Dass, author or Be Here Now, and conductor of LSD tests with Timothy Leary at Harvard in the 60s: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_Dass
Comment 168, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Just wondering if anyone noticed that the Season 4 poster shows a break in the clouds and subtle light shining down on the left 6. Could it be the Oceanic 6? Holds true so far. Can’t tell who the guy on the far left is though.
Comment 169, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
But, Locke kills Naomi, Jack pulls the trigger on Locke, … Overall, the 815 survivors have still killed more people than the Others.
Comment 170, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Jacob’s cabin is not moving! The island is moving through space and time and the cabin is at the center of the universe.
Locke hasn’t completely lost touch with the island, rather it is the island that’s in a state of flux and needs to protect itself. The cabin and the island were not in the same time when Locke’s group approached the sought-after location. Faraday’s experiment exposed an anomaly, not merely a specific time differential.
Comment 171, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Agent68, your comments make great points and I totally agree with you. Putting my mind at ease until next week. This show is getting better every week!
Comment 172, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
knowlost wrote:
the funeral director asked “freinds or FAMILY” though?
Comment 173, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
My guess since Sayid is so interested in the bracelets, the initials R.G. stands for “Republican Guard”.
The 31 minute delay indicates things on the island move slower or time is slower on the island than the outside world. It explains why Walt appears taller because he’s grown up in the real world already.
Jack says he hasn’t watched baseball in a year. I was expecting Frank to say something in the lines of “A year? It’s been 2 years” but then that would have spoiled everything and made it too easy.
Comment 174, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The eye of Jacob… some say Christian Shepherd, some say Locke, some say Ben… but look at these two images:
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Maybe the same eye?
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Comment 175, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Mars wrote:
Maybe I heard this wrong, but I thought the man asked Sayid how he liked the Seychelles? I got the impression that’s where they were. The Seychelles are a group of islands in the Indian Ocean, northeast of Madagascar.
Comment 176, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Also- for all of you who are familiar with the chronicles of narnia- TONS Of references to CS Lewis besides Charlotte (staples lewis) name. when sayid finds ben’s secret room- very similiar to the children’s first encounter with the Wardrobe- in Narnia the childrens age is different from their real age during WW2. THis does explain why ben has aged (he leaves the island frequently) and why ALpert hasnt (he never leaves). And of course why Walt has indeed grown up (he does leave the island and comes back). Plus all the Biblical references of the struggles of Good vs. evil in both Lost and Narnia- oh and the Ash was already there (forgot who mentioned it) Locke didn’t leave it as a “bread crumble trail”. The other’s couldnt see Jacob’s cabin bc they aren’t “true Believers”.
Comment 177, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Agent68 wrote:
This is a pretty well thought out theory, and I can buy parts of it, and ultimately I can’t refute any of it, I will however play Benjamin Linus’ Advocate (devil’s advocate because he is evil…oh yes, he is evil).
Time travel, teleportation. I won’t go into the specifics of this idea because the nuances can be changed. However, if we fully accept and go down this path, there is nothing that could refute the notion that the Others are actually aliens taking human form and the island itself is a space ship here to observe.
No I don’t believe that, but I do believe it is within the realm of the pandora’s box of possibilities. Rather than go down that path because I don’t have enough support I will try to address the Ben is good theory. (That’s going to be my calling card for today).
So your idea is that Ben is sort of like a Jack Bauer agent. Where the end justifies the means. One of my issues with that is we have not seen any redeeming qualities in Ben. I can’t say that the writer’s won’t all of a sudden start painting Ben as a good guy, stranger things have happened, but to me, for sanity’s sake, one must continue to view Ben as bad.
If he needs to protect the island, why would Jacob say to Locke, “Help Me?”
If he needs to protect the island, why is systematically going down the list of survivors and kidnapping them, as opposed to just killing them for the greater good?
If he needs to protect the island why does he kidnap children?
If he needs to protect the island, why is he brainwashing people as opposed to just putting them out in the world knowing they can’t be found, and no one would believe a crazy person?
If he needs to protect the island why does he need any of the survivors at all, aside from a surgeon.
Comment 178, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Maybe I heard this wrong, but I thought the man asked Sayid how he liked the Seychelles? I got the impression that’s where they were. The Seychelles are a group of islands in the Indian Ocean, northeast of Madagascar.
They were in Seychelles island, you are right.
Comment 179, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
But, Locke kills Naomi, Jack pulls the trigger on Locke, … Overall, the 815 survivors have still killed more people than the Others.
While that has happened, we as viewers at least know where Locke is coming from, as well as Jack. There is nothing that has been given to us to suggest that Ben is good, he is constantly at odds with the Oceanic survivors.
Comment 180, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Sayid is from Iraq and Naveen Andrews is British of Indian descent so actors can portray other ethnicities. We knew Naomi was knowledgable about Manchester in England and her accent is British but other than that we don’t know her background.
Susan- As far as Faraday being a “cripple” - (so not PC) the caretaker could have been for social/psychological help since we have seen he’s very intelligent yet his communication skills are somewhat awkward with the Losties or he could be hindered by his thinking processes and has a disability.
Comment 181, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I heard Seychelles as well.
Comment 182, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Agent68 wrote:
i don’t have the answers, but:
Jacob could ask Locke for help knowing that the threat to the island is increasing and that Ben will need help (maybe so that Locke can lead on the island since our losties trust him and Ben can concentrate on protecting it from the outside world -i assume by killing of remaining Dharma people?)
Ben didn’t just kill losties because he knew that some of them could be used for the ‘island good’ (maybe he even shot Locke to see if he is really jacob’s chosen one, which he is since he survived the shot)
I don’t know why exactly Ben needs losties (even if to help protect the island then from who?), but it is very possible that he does need some of them and the crash was no coincidence…
Comment 183, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
spiralturtle wrote:
Naomi looks nothing like an aboriginal. She’s a Briton of Indian descent.
Marsha Thomason’s profile on Wikipedia says she was born to a British father and a Jamaican mother.
Comment 184, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Desi wrote:
Alpert was off the island recruiting Juliet.
Another topic, when Jack says “We have to go BACK”, could be another time reference.
Comment 185, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
nakira wrote:
I was thinking something along the same lines. Sort of like the main character in “A Beautiful Mind”.
Comment 186, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
i’m nowhere near done reading all these comments. i’ve only gotten to 105 but need to post before i have to many things to say.
cat, #77: when he said that, i’m thinking “yeah, cuz you know that if they’re there already ben and sawyer will be on pushing eachother on the swings and hurley and locke will be playing football.”
PJSander #98: - before we saw ben’s face i thought it was christian. i thought it kinda sounded like him. i did NOT think it was ben. that was a shocker. everybody on the island must know how to fix up gun shot wounds for sayid (ben, mikhail, don’t know anybody else….)
- i do not think naomi is nadia’s sister. nadia wasn’t black. “tell my sister i love her” WAS code. why would naomi want nadia’s bracelet anywhoo? unless they’re just going for everybody’s off island loves. in that case it would only be a matter of time that we find something of sara’s (jacks ex) or cassidy’s (sawyer’s one time love).
- kate actually did look really pretty this episode with her disgusting looking tank (and i’m not be sarcastic. she made me want to go out and get a mudcaked tank!)
bubbleburster #104: good name for yourself. thanks for bursting my bubble mr./mrs. bubbleburster! but yes, i have no clue where anybody is getting the idea that sayid or des could in anyway possiblly be ben’s man ON the boat. they’ve been ON the island! unless of course ben ment des’s itty bitty boat. and i like my anti heroes. so, uh.
and a few more thoughts:
i think that the other 2 people who get off the island (assuming kate is one of the oceanic 6, which i think she is) are sun and jin. if ben is manipulating the O6 off the island and is using sayid to be a head hunter, why not jin too? jin’s done it before for his father in law so he could be with sun, why wouldn’t he do it again to keep sun and their baby safe???
i love desmond! i don’t know how you cannot. he’s so sweet and he has an awesome accent!!!! talking to, or spending time with, or helping a person of the opposite sex doesn’t mean you’re gonna make a move on that person! there’s only so many people on the damn island to talk to or hang out with!!!
i think hurley was in on the whole thing just because he thought it was what was best. locke probably used charlie’s sacrifce as why he should do it.
i think sawyer will stay on the island and “play house” in the barracks. i mean, unless the electricity stops….
is the island just in a different time zone? or is it really a different time?
oh, since people’ve been mentioning next weeks comecials i just have to say this: haha jaters! skaters win! :P (i know, i know, imature. but it’s so fun!)
Comment 187, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
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Comment 168, posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago - Quote and reply
Just wondering if anyone noticed that the Season 4 poster shows a break in the clouds and subtle light shining down on the left 6. Could it be the Oceanic 6? Holds true so far. Can’t tell who the guy on the far left is though.
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Hey first time writer but heres my 2 cents, on the lost season 4 promo poster (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Lost_season_4_poster.jpg) the light is shown on 6 people, jack, kate, sayid, ben, hurley and the last one is claire, so far weve seen all 5 with the exception of claire and in the water it shows the number 6 , i know people have gone through this already but that means in this whole season those 6 people will be the only ones revealed in this season , the six in the light, and out of those 6 only 5 of them were actually on flight 815 so i wonder who will be the last one…
Comment 188, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I think the other comments have been very true, as to the “Oceanic6″ may be a ploy by the writers to throw us off into thinking only 6 people make it off the island, when it fact, it may be that with more of a twist/symbolic meaning, around the 6….
Comment 189, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Isn’t that Ben on the far right in that promo picture?
Comment 190, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
What happened the last time Sayid made a decision with his heart and not his gun? Is this referring to Nadia? Or the girl that died on the island that he was in love with - can’t remember her name (blond, on the plane with her brother?)
Comment 191, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur wrote:
Ben hasn’t been off the island lately because Locke blew up the sub. He is building a runway though.
Comment 192, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
And don’t forget the purge…that he started planning at a tender pre-teen age.
Comment 193, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Bill Bixby wrote:
lostlaur wrote:
Ben hasn’t been off the island lately because Locke blew up the sub. He is building a runway though.
Comment 194, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Something I didn’t consider until I read something above: The stop watches may not have been in real time, they show 2:45 and 3:16 for a 31 minute difference. Ok, I agree with that. But maybe they both were set at zero when the rocket was launched and it took 2 hours and 45 minutes for the rocket to get there but the other watch showed it took 3 hours and 16 minutes, or vice versa. I didn’t know which watch was on the rocket and which one was on the island. Maybe the rocket wasn’t shot from the freighter? I don’t know what any of this means but it makes me wonder. I’m still very happily confused.
Comment 195, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
But wait, they were on the phone together waiting for it to get there. It could have meant 2 minutes and 45 seconds and 3 minutes and 16 seconds. That’s only a 31 second difference. Still very confused….
Comment 196, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I really do pay very close attention when the show is on. I mean, nobody is allowed to talk during the show but me. And I can’t even tell when my wife walks in the room and then leaves. It’s like sports when Lost is on. What I have to do is watch each ep 3 or 4 times to get everything understood….sort of.
Comment 197, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
nakira wrote:
Totally think you’ve hit the nail on the head with the pregnancy problems on the island.
As for Kate - I love her and Sawyer together - but I still have in the back of my mind that breakfast that she had with Ben before they put her in a cage. Like there was something that they had not revealed to us. I wonder what that could be???
Comment 198, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Desi wrote:
Alpert leaves the island. We saw him recrute Juliette.
Comment 199, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Sawyer’s Evil Twin wrote:
LOL! Exactly!! Last night my wife walked in the room, I kept my eyes glued to the TV, and she said, “I could be naked right now and you wouldn’t even care”. I just kept watching the TV….
Comment 200, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Desi wrote:
I tend to agree that you could be right - that is exactly what I came up with after last weeks episode and posted it somehwere.
Jesus sets at the right hand of the father and since Ben means son of right hand - it could be a reference to him being a christ-like figure - remember Jesus was often mistaken for evil and was tortured - if we follow carefully and look for clues we may just find out that he really is the good guy?
could be but also revert back to “man of faith, man of science” if you play the Biblical reference Locke is by far the most “Christlike” and his discussions and encounters with Ben can be paralled with Jesus’ encounters with the devil
I keep looking up all of the “biblical” names…Most of the big characters have biblical names…James (Sawyer), John $ Jack are also all derived from JACOB…as far as the bad guy goes…Abbadon means “anti-Christ” doer of destruction>>.interestng!
Comment 201, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The scene with Sayid on the helicopter reminded me of Platoon. I was expecting them to show Sayid looking down on the island, and then show something like Ben chasing Locke in the jungle and shooting him.
Comment 202, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Someone mentioned that the times on the stopwatches are cooridinates and that they are somewhere outside of Nigeria. Isn’t that where the plane with Eko’s brother dissaapered.
Comment 203, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
LOL! Exactly!! Last night my wife walked in the room, I kept my eyes glued to the TV, and she said, “I could be naked right now and you wouldn’t even care”. I just kept watching the TV….
My wife did walk in naked….or so I’m told. ; )
Comment 204, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
WOW ! When and under what circumstances will Ben get to Berlin and start using Sayid to “execute” his hit list ?
I’ll bet NOBODY saw that coming.
Comment 205, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Here’s a theory. The island and it’s properties are morally neutral. It is a scientific oddity, but not the anthropomorphic being some have posited. Setting aside for a moment the specificities of the physics of the island, here is what I see as the greater story arc.
Dharma, funded by an emormously wealth egomanaic who thinks he needs to save the world by creating a new Noah’s ark scenario, is using the island for scientific research. The island itself was not special prior to Dharma. Dharma artificially creates the time/space warping characteristics on the island, Jacob, etc.
Ben comes along and over the course of his life on the island grows jaded with it’s supposed mission. He believes the island is being misused and wants to use it for his own, “benevolent” purposes. Given his own life tragedy, he wants to use the island to save people who have seen unfair, tragic events in their own lives - a swindled parent leading to a life of revenge, a father operating drunk and disgracing the family name, an unwanted pregnancy, a misled solider who regrets his past, a emotionally abandoned child unable to cope with life, etc. Ben wants to use the island to give these people a second chance at a “fair” life. Ben begins by purging the island who do not deserve this chance.
After the purge, the original Dharma button pusher who kept the island functioning could not be trusted. Ben felt compelled to replace him and thus “recruited” Desmond to serve his button pushing mission. He was perhaps Ben’s first rescuee from the world at large. Desmond’s eventual failure to push the button in time, leading to the crash of 815, was in some way caused by Ben. The crash was Ben’s large scale attempt to accomplish this same good end on a grander scale. He had used Desmond to get everybody together on the island much more efficiently than the Juliet style recruitment.
As people leave the island and try to reintegrate, they slowly realize the opportunity they were given. Unfortunately, Ben himself never learned to trust anybody, and thus is forced to only achieve his benevolent goals in seemingly malicious ways.
Now Dharma wants their island back, and it’s a war between them and Ben (and his growing army) to “save” the island. I think the series will end with the island being abandoned (if not destroyed), uncontrolled by any person(s), ready for the next user to come along.
Comment 206, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I believe someone came up with the term “freighter tots” because it rhymes with “tater tots”, but I’m not 100% sure on that. As far as I know, this is the only board that uses that term.
If you’re talking about the children from the tail section that the Others kidnapped in season 2, we saw them a couple times in season 3. They’re part of the Others’ community now, apparently well-kept.
Comment 207, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
My top 5 wishes for Season 4
1. Claire gets naked - DUH!!
2. Claire gets naked- LOL
3. Jack + Kate = 1 happy viewer
4. Smoke monster eats Juliet
5. Driveshaft makes Hurley their new vocalist
“You dudes all everybody!!”
Comment 208, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
It was interesting how Sawyer gave Kate the “Why do you want to get off the island?” speech, after last week’s episode where Ben gave Sawyer basically the same speech.
Comment 209, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur wrote:
If you were on the island you would still think you had lived only 80 years. The time difference is relative, they don’t have longer lives, just slower.
Yes it is relative. My point was from the perspective of a person on the island heading back to the real world. More time would appear to have gone by in the real world relative to the island.
Comment 210, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I can’t make sense of any of these time travel/time differential theories, but here’s a thought that crossed my mind. In the conversation Jack and Frank had about the Red Sox, Jack asks if the Red Sox really won the world series, and he’s talking about the 2004 world series. Frank says something like that’s a sore subject because he’s a Yankee fan. But I wonder if Frank thought Jack was talking about the 2007 World Series? In other words, off the island, it’s late 2007, not late 2004. It may not make sense with all of the other pieces of the puzzle, and I’m not sure how it would fit in with any of the time travel theories. Just throwing it out there.
Comment 211, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
a long time.
Comment 212, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ok, only on 165.
Sawyer’s Evil Twin #111: or maybe it had something to do with the fact that he just got shot and was probably in a lot of pain. or maybe he’s just been killing everybody with those bracelets and now means squat.
Ghostrider #112: what am i supposed to see when i look up holmium?
Sean T. Collins #119: if you don’t want spoilers don’t read the thread for the next ep! It’s not like seeing a pic will ruin your life either.
Nakira #123: now i’m just hurt by that about shannon and sayid. the air port was when she was a spoiled rich brat, on the island she morphed into a nice person. she was so good for him and he was sooo good for her! and yeah hurley’s reference to miles “great they sent us another sawyer” i was thinking basically the same thing as you, only miles is more hostile, hateful, and has absolutly no heart.
Why did Frank not want Daniel to talk to Minkowski???
How would sayid, if as one of the O6 members is famous, be able to go around and shoot people dead that are on jacob’s list?????
i think the list is jacob’s (which could be why sayid wouldn’t mention his employer. who would want to explain that one to miss german?) and the people on it to be killed are people who are a problem to the island and/or jacob. so abaddon could be on the list along with his people, dharma. i totally buy into kate killing for ben and i think jin could be off the island too as he was killing people before island too. i think the people that work for ben and jacob can go to and from the island and see their friends. jack doesn’t work for ben so he doesn’t know what’s happening on the island.
crazy theory here on naomi’s bracelet: n stood for naomi and came from her bf/fiance/husband whatever. i know who would’ve thought of that one……but then why would miss german have the bracelet too? idk, i’m disprooving my own theory. damn lost high! i think has a romantic sayid was interested. or maybe he thought the bracelet was some awesome high tech thing he could work with.
Tim #129: i’m not a scientist, not gonna claim to be i hate science. but alaska is on earth and yet it’s sunlight almost all day 1/2 the year and practically total darkness 1/2 the year. so how does that work? i’m so glad there are like 50 scientists on here.
miraks #141: yes, everyone sooner or later realizes ben is good. i’ve known it for a long time. he’s doing the right thing the wrong way, or the way it has to be done, depending on how you look at that. i think it’s a bit of both. and that’s a cool theory on why sayid is injected.
barb: i agree. it was christian’s a voice then slowly turned into ben’s when we see him. what does that mean? he’s possesed by jacob?
PJSander: we call them freighter tots cuz it sounds like tator tots (or at least i do) and it’s fun.
Comment 213, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
my theory is that it was Penny’s dad..ORIGINALLY. Naomi’s boss somehow found out that Penny is doing all she can to find Desmond and Naomi now has 2 reasons why she has to go the island. Naomi’s boss wants Ben, while Penny wants Desmond. Naomi’s probably gonna get paid up the nose while 2 separate teams having 2 separate goals go looking for the island. the 3 others in helicopter, and probably those on the freighter, know of both stories, and is just going along for money and/or other purposes.
Comment 214, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
- ripple in time?, can’t think of the book I read in 6th grade trying to remember.
“A Wrinkle in Time” written by Madeleine L’Engle
Comment 215, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I think that whoever is in the casket is a man; I paused my tv when Jack is looking at the article, right before he goes in to the funeral home, and you can make out “Man found in Apartment,” as the headline. I tried despartely to see a name, but to no avail.
pistols wrote:
Comment 216, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
If Ben were ultimately good and he was doing what was best for everybody (including the Losties), why in the Heck won’t he tell the Losties why he is doing what he is doing?? I’m sure if he told Jack all the reasons he has acted the way he has to protect the Island and the Others and the Losties, he would understand. (Well maybe not anymore, but certainly at one point a year or two ago when they weren’t sure whether to trust Ben or not. But he hasn’t been up front and honest therefore he is up to no good.
Comment 217, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Rick-
I think your theory really has some merit to it. It’s really well-thought out & I’ll be rereading it before I start commenting on it!
Also- people are quoting something I said but I don’t remember saying it & can’t find the comment… I feel like I’m going crazy. Are there 2 “lostlaur”s on here?? I’ll add a star to mine from here on out so I don’t keep getting confused.
I think that Lost makes a really big effort to point out that nobody is really all good or all evil. It’s not that easy to put people in a category. Jack is not always the hero (trying to kill Locke), Locke is not always in tune with the island (can’t find Jacob’s house), Ben is not always in charge (he listens to Jacob). Everybody has the capacity for both good and bad & often has to struggle with it.
So Ben definitely does his share of dastardly deeds but we DO have to consider the completely unorthodox childhood he had… His dad was pretty sucky & then he was used as part of a plan to murder the rest of the hippie camp he grew up with. All before he was 20. I’d have to say there’s something to be said about the fact that he grew up with the Others and they taught him all he knows. So are all of the Others bad or did Jacob just foster the bad in Ben ’til that was pretty much all he knew?
Comment 218, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone remember the name of Hurley’s “friend” (in the mental hospital in season one) that told Hurley about the numbers?
nakira wrote:
Comment 219, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
imagining michael’s guilt leaving his friends behind, ben (or at least someone working for ben) coerces michael to be a spy on the freight, to do something good for his friends…
That sounds crazy to me; Michael don’t care anything about anyone ‘cept his own pathetic self. Why not just let him be the bad guy he is?; the writers just made him a cold stone killer, with a son, sniff, sniff.
Comment 220, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I am not completely convinced that Ben is the bad guy. It seems to me like he has manipulated a purge of sorts again. First, he facilitated the eradication of the Dharma and than became leader of the Others. At the end of season 3 we saw most of the Others meet their demise as Ben seamlessly became a part (albeit “hostage”) of the Losties. Could it be possible that the crash of 815 was merely a recruitment of a new crew for Ben. Kate (proficient at disquises and running), Sayid (ex torturer for army) , Sawyer (proffesional con artist)…. I could go on. Seems like he needs to purge and have new allies that he is finding amongst the Losties
Comment 221, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Bobola wrote:
Michael killed Ana Lucia and Libby because he was forced into it by Ben. If you look at all the earlier Michael stuff he is/was pretty much a good guy who got the short end of the stick all the time. His wife leaves him and then she dies leaving Michael to raise a 12? year old that he has had no contact with. He had just started getting ahead and felt like his wife was ruining his life again. He comes to love Walt on the island and will then do anything to save him.
If you are a parent, what would you do to save your child from some deranged kidnapper, which is how he had to see the others.
Comment 222, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
jebtion wrote:
We don’t know that most of the others died in Season 3. Two or three in the looking glass and ten on the beach. We don’t know how many others there are. There could easily be 30 or 40 more at least.
In season 1 Ben sent his people to the losties camps with lists of the “good” people. These are the people he wanted to recruit.
Comment 223, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The girl’s bracelet IS Naomi’s bracelet, didn’t you see Sayid take it off her before she got placed on the helicopter? It was a tracking device and he gave it to the blonde as a “token” but really to keep track of her.
Yes, I think Michael is the man on the boat!
Comment 224, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Sean T. Collins wrote:
This guy has a point. Saying that Sayid is the focus of the upcoming episode violates the 4th rule “No spoilers or discussion of episode previews.” Plus, throughout this thread, there has been frequent mention of the previews of next week’s episode. Myself, I do everything I can to avoid seeing the previews. That’s the main reason I came to this site in the first place - it was supposedly “spoiler free.” I know there are plenty of you out there who think it’s ridiculous to worry about spoilers (lostchicka, deangoodes, and I’m sure many others), and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I’m not putting you down for that. But there are plenty of other people who like to avoid spoilers of any type, and that doesn’t make them any less of a fan and certainly doesn’t make them deserving of people making snippy comments about them (which, by the way is the 5th rule). The spoiler-free rule used to be strictly enforced, but now it’s not, so I can’t blame someone for deciding to not read this blog anymore.
Comment 225, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh, and Sayid is back on the island when he comes to get the bullet removed…he comes and goes just like Ben now.
Comment 226, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Awesome article ya’ll have GOT to read:
reason.com/news/show/124807.ht...
Comment 227, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
deputy dawg wrote:
Thank you for your comment, and I do appreciate your opinion. To some extent I agree with what you are saying, but in the grand scheme of things this blog has always attempted to use an image of the character that a specific episode centers upon in the preview we post day of.
Sometimes we get it wrong - as we did with the season premiere this year, but it is only intended to initiate dialogue, not to serve as a spoiler. I apologize to those people who feel otherwise.
Comment 228, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
avalanche wrote:
Your Physics Lesson:
The space-time continuum can be explained by Einstein’s theory or relativity. Nothing in the universe can travel faster than the speed of light (approximately 3×10^8 m/s). Because this is such an enormous speed it is not evident on a day to day basis, and is often hard to understand.
For those of you who have taken any physics, you will know Newton’s first law F=ma or force is equal to mass times acceleration. This is the fundamental theory of physics and dynamics, HOWEVER it does NOT hold true for things traveling at enormous speeds, speeds that being to approach the speed of light.
When you do begin to approach the speed of light, everything gets thrown off, and normal Newtonian physics does not hold. It also means that our fundamental understanding of acceleration, velocity and TIME get confused, and “weird” things start happening. The theory can be proven if you send nuclear object that decays at a certain rate, off at enormous speeds into the universe. The object will return having decayed less than the objects “twin” on earth time. This is the basics of the theory of relativity.
Now. As much as I think it is great, I think there may (!) be a simpler answer. Have you ever tried putting a giant magnet near your credit card or computer hard drive? Not a good idea. Magnets mess with memory on computer devices, devices that could have been inside of the little rocket clock.
If indeed there is a giant magnet on the island (which seems to be a pretty consistent theme) then it could definitely have confused the rocket, messing with the coordinates so it took longer to arrive where it was sent, and changing the time on the clock.
I think this theory is supported by the fact that both helicopter were suffering through an “electrical” storm and had trouble flying. Also, I believe this may be why Faraday made such a big deal about Lapidus staying on course… maybe because he knew the magnet would be a problem and he didn’t want Lapidus to be confused.
Comment 229, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
New to the thread, hope this goes well!
I’m considering the time theory applied to Daniel Faraday and his “rocket experiment”. When Naomi was discovered, or perhaps in some other episode, I heard someone say the island can’t be seen from the outside.
When Daniel was looking all around at his new found surroundings, he says the light seems to “scatter in a strange way’. THATS wrinkling my brow.
With his timer showing a difference of about 30 minutes after it was confirmed to have arrived at the beacon, my take is that the real island
is indeed “cloaked” or hidden through some immense magnetic field.
This would explain how the rocket continued on for 30 more minutes before arriving at it’s true target, a different position altogether from what the freighter and anybody else trying to find the island would look for.
Far fetched? Oh yeah! The whole time-warp, portal thing is becoming a strain. Aaahhh! The suffering…
oh, but it’s a good suffering, aye.
Comment 230, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Nice explanation, Laura, about the physics stuff…I like the idea about the clock/magnets…the writers are too smart to make this show about a space time continuum..they have been reading out blogs (they have said that they do read them) and throwing us a bone to throw us off course…
Two comments:
I heard on the radio that the color of the passports was significant…that the red passports had to do with military or civilians on official US business and the green also meant something..does anyone know about that?
Also, why does Daniel ask Frank if he can use the phone? Is Frank in charge of communication?..note also that Frank replies, when Sayid says he wants to be taken to the freighter that…he will take him off the island…he doesn’t say to the freighter…
I wonder if Kate takes on someone else’s identity when she gets off the island…so she can stay away from jail)..we know Shannon and her brother both die and Shannon’s father is dead…would anyone notice if Kate dyed her hair blonde and became Shannon as an oceanic 6 survivor?
Can’t wait to watch this one again!
Comment 231, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
R.G. on the bracelet - Regina Goodspeed. Horace Goodspeeds daughter. A few years younger than Ben, survived the Purge, protected by Ben - currently Bens’ “Man” on the boat. She is the loyal spy and the downfall of Naomi and the freighter tots.
Comment 232, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
previous clue thnx to lost chicka: you figure out when she said it. she had it all along. i bow to her prowess/smartz!
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Lost Chicka,from Wikipedia:
A trivalent metallic rare earth element, holmium has the highest magnetic moment (10.6µB) of any naturally-occurring element and possesses other unusual magnetic properties. When combined with yttrium, it forms highly magnetic compounds.
There are references to fertility and magnetism research relating to holmium. The island is a big holmium deposit. Ho-ho’s, Jack and Hurley playing horse and getting to “HO.”
The yellow powder in the grandson’s bedroom wasn’t heroin or the ghostbuster would have stolen it. He of course would not have recognized holmium if it crawled up his leg.
By the way, Ben killed the ghostbuster’s father, Marvin Candle, when he gassed the Dharma people during the purge. That’s why he wants to find Ben.
Comment 234, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
like juliet said ben either says things because he’s a liar or because it’s the truth. he’s twisted, he’s bad, he’s bug eyes, kinda creepy looking, and loveable! he’s just your average benevolent dictator. :)
i agree with lostlaur* that lost makes a big effort to point out that nobody is really all good or all evil. everybody has the capacity for both good and bad and often has to struggle with it. and i’ll add on that everyone has the ability to do terrible things and the ability to change.
how on earth do y’all know so much about physics? i can barely remember photosynthesis….huh, how does that work? lol. i’m not a scientist.
how could the freighter tots find the island? do certain people know where the island is? was it just luck? i thought god didn’t even know it existed (that is of course according to ben linus).
sugaree423: interesting site. kinda matches him and ben.
pjsander: yeah, the eyes do look the same. and the lines. i guess des is definitly a possibility then.
rick: good theory. last sentence tho reminds me of a videogame or something like that…ready for the next user to come along…
paul comment 207: 1) get a life
2) come on. seriously get a life. i hear they’re on sale at walmart
3) sawyer + kate = 1 happier viewer
4) agree but sayid has to beat the crap outa her first i’ve been waiting since last season for that moment.
5) that would be awesoeme!
deputy dawg: i don’t think it’s ridiculous to not like spoilers, spoilers would just suck the fun outa lost. i just think sometimes people get a bit sensitive about it. like, if you know that the thread for the next episode is posted earlier on that day, why would you read it? and a 30 second commercial can’t tell you a 45 minute show (but i get why you might now want to watch them. you kinda get a feeling for what is gonna happen). sorry if i come off as unkind.
nicunurse: now that would be shocking. kate posing as shannon. ooo, i’m getting chills from that idea. that’s good. i wouldn’t put it past her. but she has brown hair in s3 ff…..
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DocH wrote:
keep on bowing and worshiping. :)
Comment 236, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ghostrider wrote:
thanx. that makes SOOOO much sense now!
Comment 237, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
LC - I bow, I worship… I vacuum the ground you tred on.
I think this is the most spoiler-free LOST site on the planet. Those here that speak profoundly AND tread into the spoiler enviro are VERY diligent in NOT incorporating those thoughts into their bloggings - very restrained - very respectful.
Besides - if it has aired - commercial or preview or trailer ON AIR - it is fair game(conversation) and not a Spoiler. BTW, a Spoiler is knowledge of behind the scenes FACTS, nor aired, not publicized facts.
//SPOILER ALERT//
next week kate is the story…
sorry… the powers that be have advertised and publicized this for weeks now… public knowledge… bury your heads!!!
//SPOILER ALERT//
Comment 238, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
can someone tell me how to quote a previous comment in gray and then state my reply… whenever i select “quote and reply”, it all goes together….
Comment 239, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
In the S2 finale, Desmond was “sailing” for 2.5 weeks and ended up back on the island. Was he really sailing or was he on the freighter?