The Constant
2 years ago by WillRead more: Desmond, Lost Episodes, Sayid, season 4
Tonight’s Desmond-centric episode will mostly focus on Sayid and Desmond’s trip with Frank Lapidus back to the freighter – and accordingly we will see the introduction of a number of new characters. Hopefully we get much more insight into how cohesive a group the freighties are (or not) and additional information on who might be Ben’s man on the boat. I would expect to see a strange sequence related to Desmond’s flash – and we’ll probably have a difficult time determining if we are seeing past or future – should be a great episode.
Spoiler Warning
ABC’s Official Show Description
Sayid and Desmond run into turbulence on their way to the freighter, causing Desmond to suffer unusual side effects.
Episode Preview
As always here are a few sneak peeks of The Constant:
Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3
Comment 1, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
what if ben doesn’t really have any man on the boat.. what if he can just read minds.. just what if..
and is it me? coz i really miss the black smoke monster.. will they show the black smoke monster this season? so i think i hardly saw it last season…
Comment 2, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
i love the sneak peeks!! thank you..
i’m so excited to see this episode.. i’m so curious about the side effects.. hmm… it’s just odd when he said we’re @ 40 ft.. does he mean below sea level?
Comment 3, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
My Prediction for tonight
By the very end of the Episode the shocker will be Michael appearing as the Spy.
A Desmond Flash Forward
Widmore Connection revealed.
Comment 4, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I just watched the previews and WOW!! (couldn’t help myself) Can’t wait for tonights episode!! 3 1/2 hours to go!
Comment 5, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I think we are finding out why Faraday didn’t know why the plane footage in his FF made him act weird with his “care taker”…eh?
Comment 6, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I feel somewhat vindicated of my theory from last season that Des is VERY important to this story.
Comment 7, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I feel like LOST just became the movie Primer. Awesome episode.
Comment 8, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So what’s up with Widmore buying that 1st mates journal? Needs to know something don’t he?
Comment 9, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Well, that was pretty friggin’ awesome! I just hope this doesn’t mean Desmond will be dying soon (but I fear that it does).
I hope we’ll get to find out what the contents are in that journal from the Black Rock. And I wonder if Mr. Widmore knew about the island before getting the journal.
I can’t wait to see where this all goes! Is it next Thursday yet!?
Comment 10, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
My TV has poor reception and I couldn’t read the Faraday’s note to himself in the last scene. What did it say?
Comment 11, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
If anyone can find the bearing that Ben gave Michael, we can find out if he’s on the boat.
Comment 12, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So….my mind is spinning right now. Thought I would get a comment in before the crowd gets here. I think I could have a brain aneurysm from watching this show.
Right now all I can say is Ben has a spy on the boat who also seems to be a friend of the Losties….could it be Micheal or Walt?
Also, I have to say I had tears in my eyes when Des called penny. That was so sweet!
Comment 13, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
No I don’t think Des will die soon! Finding the “constant” saved him and he will be alright now. How did the Black Rock journal come to light I wonder?
Comment 14, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That was quite an episode, and a mind blower. It’s going to take me some time to put my thoughts together.
Comment 15, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Josh wrote:
Desmond will be my constant.
Comment 16, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
man can u beleive that….the island can transport people into the past now, this show is just making things up now…i think the writers got there 6 year old kids writing for them now….that was a waste of a episode…desmond gonna die anywayzzz… wat up lost chicka…
Comment 17, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
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The note said something like… “If anything goes wrong, Desmond will be MY anchor”
Comment 18, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Josh wrote:
It said, and I paraphrase,
If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume is MY constant.
HTH,
: ) P
Comment 19, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
WOW!!! TIme Travel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOW
WOW
WOW
Maybe the only way losties can get back to Island is through the MIND TIME TRAVEL
HIghly unlikeyl BUt Possible.
MIchael is the man on the boat Im sure of it.
WOW
Comment 20, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
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The note said something like… “If anything goes wrong, Desmond will be MY constant”
Comment 21, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
All I can say is this was what we (all of us who believed time travel was central to the island) have been waiting for. Hate to say I told you so… but… We told you so… Not gloating just Happy!
An incredible Epi.
Comment 22, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Clearly the best episode in years. I was floored and I’m a guy and I even had tears when Dez made contact with Penny. Beautiful. What an episode!
Comment 23, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I was just thinking about this. Michael was given 325, Frank was given 305. Who knows where Michael might be? (or when, to quote Hurley)
Comment 24, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
Even though I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, I hope folks can relax a little bit with over-analyzing it, because there are definitely some plot holes. Stuff happened quite fast with Penny and Des. She changed her number the same day she asked him to stop calling. She moved to a different address, the address she moved to happened to be walking distance from the Auction, which happened to be close to Daniel Farraday’s office. Mr. Widmore happened to be at the auction, and despite his apparent dislike for Dez, gives his daughter’s address to him.
But, I can buy the keeping the number bit, just for entertainment purposes.
Comment 25, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I agree with Rita, Desmond will be okay because he has his “constant”. No way would they kill him off now, he’s WAY too important in the whole time travel scheme. Loved the episode, but as I predicted, more questions than ever!!!
What room is the LAA meeting in? I am lost!
Comment 26, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Trying to wrap my head around time travel by conscience only. Walt seems to be able to do it. That explains why he is “taller” when he talks to Locke.
Is this what Charlie meant when he said “I’m dead, but I’m also here.”?
Comment 27, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The people on the boat didn’t seem to know where they were at either. The guy said they knew they were in the Pacific and about the last port being Fiji. Then the guy that dies said that they just wanted to “see” the island. I wonder if its like middle earth or something. I mean Time travel is a little far fetched so why can’t it be Middle Earth?
Comment 28, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
TheErikfromTallahassee wrote:
LOL! I usually hate the mushy stuff to, but that was a great scene between Des & Pen
Comment 29, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
That episode was great. Go Desmond. I always knew there was more to Desmod than meets the eye.
This is confirmation that the writers are not just making it up as they go.
Comment 30, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
time travel — that explains the polar bear and the french lady’s recording for 16 years — and walt appearing to john locke and telling him he has ‘work to do’
Comment 31, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
New to blog: AMAZING revelation!!!! Years ago my wife and I saw this old movie “Somewhere in Time” In it, a guy travels through time through hypnosis. Essentially he travels to 1912 by convincing himself it is 1912. The professer he consults before his little journey says his clothes/etc. everything must be 1912 or earlier. He falls in love with a woman from the past but accidentally is brought back by a modern “penny” is in his pocket. This reference to modern times ruins his link. A “penny” brought him back! No way it is a coincidence. They love to pay omage to sci fi flicks…but this also proves they planned this plot sequence from the start! The movie was from around 1980 and had C. Reeves and J. Seymour I think. Anyone else remember this?
Comment 32, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I think all the radiation from those experiments cuased Daniel to lose his short term memory, remember how he didnt have protection on his head with the mouse experiment.
Comment 33, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Michael might be on the boat, it seems if you are on 305 you get the side effect…eventually. The guy who died in Dez’s arms had a buddy who died much quicker.
Comment 34, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
You’re right, they don’t know where they are. Last season said something like “Island? We were given coordinates in the middle of the bloody ocean” I’d imagine some crew members know more than others.
Comment 35, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
By the way that was the best representation of time travel that I have ever seen. Very clever. None of this get in the mabic machine stuff. All in the concious just as einstien would have liked it.
Comment 36, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I like the “Constant” theme.
Shane “Some where in time” was a great example…and very relevant to this epi..
Comment 37, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Somewhere In Time was filmed at Mackinac Island in Michigan. Remember it well! (As do most Michiganders I am sure) Penny in his pocket, I don’t remember that part but WOW!!!
I believe the writers know exactly what they are doing and it is all planned out. They bring us amazing episodes week after week!
Comment 38, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Shane wrote:
Welcome Shane…and thanks for the tidbit.
Comment 39, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Desmond will be fine, he’s not gonna die, he has reconnected with his constant…Minkowski on the other hand has not found his constant…and Daniel knows this and that’s why he wrote it down back in 1996 in his notepad, Daniel’s not so much of a headcase anymore, just is smarter than all of the others and knows much more than anyone…can’t wait to see his episode
Comment 40, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
WHAT A SHOW, it is getting really interesting..
can’t wait until thursday!!!!!!
i was wondering who is the captain on the ship?????
Comment 41, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Off topic but not really…I see another Cloverfield connection. The guys said he was just on a ferris wheel. I’ll take this to the Cloverfield Update thread….sorry.
Comment 42, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
shane — yes, saw the movie with chris reeve and jayne seymour … and you’re right— this episode was similar to that
i believe the island is in the middle of this time portal … that’s why it’s so important to ben …that’s why ben is protecting it…just don’t know why ben didn’t go to the future and cure himself of the tumor
Comment 43, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
It wouldn’t surprise me if Michael is on the boat. I thought the reason Des had his “experiences” was because the copter veered slightly off course during the storm. Remember how emphatic (to use the description from the pop-up in tonight’s “Eggtown”) Daniel was in telling Frank to absolutely stay on course?
I do wonder what determines how a person reacts to it? Sayid and Frank were unaffected, but Desmond was affected, because of the electromagnetism. But why was Brandon affected more severely than Minkowski?
Comment 44, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Maybe I’m crazy, but when we see Sayid on the freighter alone (16 minutes in) the camera scans toward the top of the ship…and it looks like an African American man with a goatee looking through binoculars….could this be Michael?
Comment 45, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
SO……would the whole “Dharma Initiative” be a time travel experiment…and Desmond and Daniel started the chain of events with Mr. Widmore being the financier of this experiment and he recieves his info from the book he just bought at auction?
Comment 46, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
ok, awesome episode. a bit confusing but i liked it. i couldn’t get on here for 20 minutes so i had plenty of time to think about the show.
> so daniel faraday is going thorugh the same thing as des. this makes SOOO much sense.
> desmond is daniel’s constant!?!?! since des is his constant, when is he flipping back and forth in time?
> minkowski got the same thing as desmond! and he died. i hope des doesn’t. is that why frank didn’t want daniel to talk to him? it explains why minkowski couldn’t come to the phone tho.
> omg, i was so happy when des found penny at the end!!!! i’ve been waiting forever for that moment!!!!!!!
> so with the time change thinga mabober it’s dusk when they start to go through the cloud and day when they get through it. when des goes back and forth between time it christmas eve ‘04 and ‘96.
> would oxford really hire faraday??? i don’t see him getting through the front desk with hair like that.
> omar wat up with you?????
> so does penny remember desmond saying he’ll call her on dec 24 ‘04? or is it like she can’t remember him saying that?
> i loved this ep! but if anything like the lake house movie starts happening i’m not gonna be able to watch the show
Comment 47, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
A few weeks ago someone brought up the concept of “vile vortices”, and said that is may be related to the mysteries of Lost. I don’t fully understand it, but I remember that one vile vortex is near Madagascar, which I think is where they said the journal was found.
You can read about vile vortices here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_Vortices
Comment 48, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
How come Sahid can fix anything??? That commincations tower on the boat was pretty messed up, and how does penelope have the same phone number for 8 years, and if she did then how she gonna give him the real number after that crazy story….This show is not making any sense now or maybe it was just this episode… if i was in charge i would blow up the whole island and be done for it…Obama for president 08….
Comment 49, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Des will be one of the “O6″,either that or he will be one of the “DO8″(2 Dead “O6″survivors from Jacks BS court story).I assume this because he is with Syaid now so… what happens next,its up to you but I say the big dude fom Vegas is not the ships libraian so expect fireworks next episode.Also,Ben’s “Man on the Boat”?… I think its the chopper pilot,what say you?
Comment 50, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT WAS THE GREATEST EPISODE OF LOST SINCE THE ONE WHERE ANNA LUCIA AND LIBBY DIED. Desmond is not going to die. Sawyer is going to die, i’m 100% sure. Also, Jack wont go to see aaron because he is probably responsible for the death of Claire. Farraday or Charlotte die next episode. i hope its charlotte because farraday is cool
Comment 51, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
CTKMIKE- I went back and looked. The dude seems bigger than Micheal but who knows. My picture isn’t that clear.
Comment 52, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Lisa wrote:
Well it seem the Orchid video was hinting that DHARMA had Daniel’s device, but it duplicated the rabbit instead of just the rabbit’s conscience.
Comment 53, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
Yeah, the communications center stuff was a bit far-fetched. Desmond said, “Can you fix it”, and Sayid said, “I’ll need a minute”. The thing was in a million pieces, torn wires everywhere……
Same number for 8 years….I’ve had the same one for 11 years, my parents have had the same one for 40 years….
Comment 54, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
ctkmike wrote:
I have a 61″ DLP and HD with DVR… I just went back and it sure looks like Michael with a cap and a goatee. Good Eye.
Comment 55, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Ya tokenee i mentioned the whole vile vortices thing couple weeks back….if you wanna read up on that theory, just hit the tailsection blog..
Comment 56, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Bizarro! I don’t know what to think yet.
I need to clear my head.
Comment 57, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
there is supposedly 12 vile vortices around the world (which is a true theory), example would be the bermuda triangle and such where one can jump all reality and perception of real time and place…there is one in the south pacific where the plane went down and people believe that is what happened to amelia earheart..
Comment 58, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Vile Vortices = Hollow Earth
That’s what I’m talking about!
Comment 59, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rikki wrote:
Charlotte is not going to die yet…Did you read her interview two weeks back?
Comment 60, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Minkowski as Ben’s man on the boat? Ben talking to him in the past?
Comment 61, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
very confusing. So, with Des’s time travel what
’s the theory on how this factor’s into him being able to see flashes of the future???
Comment 62, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Stinkin’ amazing! Wow! How can they top this?
Did anyone freak out when Des first sees that communication officer strapped in the bed? The background music made it seem he was someone we were supposed to know and then they go to commercial.
Comment 63, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Frank wrote:
no becuase then who opend the door to let them out of the clinic
Comment 64, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I think Brandon and Minkowski got it because they probably did not go exactly on the heading. I think the Freightor knew how to get close to it, but they don’t know the exact heading to go in on, without the side effects (and have probably tried b4 w/o success). I don’t think Daniel’s coordinates (305?) are as correct as the 325, which probably does not produce any side effects, (but he believes it is, or has slightly miscalculated but can accept the difference) or they are minimal. If they knew the exact way to get in, it would seem they would just go right in, but they don’t so they sent the 4 in first to see if there would be any effects.
I agree with whoever originally posted in thinking that Widmore is the person after Ben.
Time travel kinda opens the door up to a lot of possiblities, I hope they give a nice explanation soon to tighten up the storyline.
Comment 65, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
If the guy piloting the boat is Micheal that would certainly explain who is Ben’s “man” on the boat. I will have to check the dvr tomorrow.
Comment 66, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Penny said she has been looking for Des for three years. Is that how long it has been since Des turned that key and got radiated??
Comment 67, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Andrew wrote:
I thought it was Frank… Someone who does not appear to be Ben’s man…
Comment 68, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Lost Addict* wrote:
Just a guess, but now that Dez has found his constant, he may be able to better understand how to use his visions. He’s still vital to the story IMO.
Comment 69, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Okay, I don’t know anything about headings, but if Michael’s little boat left from a totally different place on the island from the helicopter, would that account for the difference in the heading that each was given?
: ) P
Comment 70, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
LostinSev wrote:
No, it’s still 2004 on island time. Des got the heavy electromagnetism exposure within a month or 2 of the plane crash.
Comment 71, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
LostinSev wrote:
No, it is when his boat went missing
also, if anyone is interested in a video about the dif. dimensions/ time travel, check this out.
http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php
Comment 72, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I don’t know much about heading either, but I play like I do on this site…lol. I would imagine that since the helicopter can fly, it doesn’t matter where it takes off from. Don’t quote me.
Comment 73, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Can someone help me out? My dvr crashed and I did not get the last two minutes. Desmond was calling Penny and the phone was ringing when I it went dead. I can now tell that Penny picked up. What did she say? Would love a blow by blow of those last two minutes. Thanks.
Comment 74, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
LostinSev wrote:
No, Dez has been on the island for that long.
Comment 75, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
What if Micheals on the boat but he’s not Bens man the boat. Whatif micheal came back to help the lost people and Frank or somone else is the real “man on the boat” cause why would micheal help Ben. Wouldnt he just want to get of the island with his son and live a normal life. or try to help his friends back on the island.
Comment 76, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The best episode of Lost yet. I beleieve that it also foreshadows the Oceanic 6 experience when they leave the island.
Comment 77, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Whoa Micheal on the boat? I would LOVE to see a screencap of that bad boy.
I’ve had the same CELL phone number for 8 years- it’s not too much of a stretch to keep the same house number.
And we don’t know how much time was going by in between Desmond going to the auction hall & Penny’s so it seemed pretty realistic to me. What was he talking about with the whole exponential thing? Smarty posters- care to help a non science girl out?
Did anybody else catch the whole Hanso mention as the previous Black Rock Journal owner? Reinforces the whole Hanso vs. Widmore theory.
Why would they ignore Penny’s calls if it was her father’s boat? It’s either A. not his boat or B. an order he gave them to keep Penny from Des (though honestly how can a father hate his daughter’s boyfriend THAT much? I know he didn’t like desmond but that seems a little out of control to me?)
Also- big thank you to the Lost writers, FINALLY an episode where I feel like things get answered. Now you just need to spill about the 5000 other mysteries involving the island : )
I refuse to acknowledge the idea that Sawyer dies because he is my biggest person-who-doesn’t-really-exist crush.
LASTLY (well for now- my head is still in a whirlwind…) where is Naomi? I was really disappointed we didn’t see her. & am I the only one who thought the doctor looked familiar?
Comment 78, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
prtp3warrior (35): agreed. i loved that. i liked how you (or at least me) kinda felt like desmond where you’re just like “what? how’d i get here? what’s going on?” it was a great idea (tho that is what he’s been doing before). and with minkowski it was REALLY scary and totally unexpected. and daniel? no way i woulda guessed that one (till daniel started talking to des on the phone, from there i knew he’s like des). and elouise was a great touch too.
> oh, i loved it when minkoswki “came back” and is like i was just on a ferris wheel. it’s like the perfect thing to go to.
> des is affected by the electromagnets (and possibly radiation from the implosion?). daniel by the radiation of his experiments. so what was minkowski and brandon affected by???
omar (48): yes, sayid is superman of the communication devices. the republican guard trains very well apparently. who else could fix that messed up of a thing and make it work? and penny having the same number for 8 years, makes sense but for whatever reason i don’t see her keeping a number that long (i know she’s not kate but it still doesn’t seem to fit her really) unless for some reason she took des seriously when he said the 12/24/04 and rememberd it somehow.
> i’m gonna have to rewatch this to make any sense of anything in this episode!
frank (60): yep, on a ferris wheel. probably eating cotton candy. :P
> des has been on the island for 3 years.
> i’m gonna take a wild guess and say ben knows how to go to and from the island w/o side effects, and the freighter tots don’t as they don’t live on the island.
Comment 79, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Okay? It is 2004 on the island but is it 2007 real time (off island). Did Penny search for Des before is promised Dec. 24, 2004 call? Is the real call 12/24/07 (3 years later than he said)??
Comment 80, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
As far as the touching scene at the end with Des and Penny goes, I have to share something with you all.
In the twelve years I have known my husband, I have seen him cry five times. 1) When we broke up temporarily while dating, 2) When his favorite aunt died, 3) when he was really sorry for something he had done, 4) when our newborn daughter required OPEN-HEART surgery and lastly, 5) when two fictional characters re-unite on a sci-fi show. Huh?
I looked over at him in utter disbelief. Pretty sweet.
Comment 81, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Andrew wrote:
For likely the same reason Sayid is a hitman for Ben…he’s got something on him.
Comment 82, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
AND (haha that totally didn’t last long) WHAT do these people keep injecting people with? I think whatever he gave Minkowski is related to what Juliet got on the submarine and Sayid received from Ben. Some sort of vaccine that counter-acts the effects of the island.
And I think Desmond being the only one affected by the island mind-blower thing had something to do with him being in the Hatch and/or the explosion. Faraday asked him if he had been exposed to radiation or electro magnetic something or other & he was definitely involved in something of the sort with the whole button pushing and eventual blowing up of the Hatch.
Comment 83, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHO IS MICHEAL AGAIN???
I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED!!!!
Comment 84, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
thee heading is 325. frank flew 305, as scribed by daniel on the note. at the very end when Des was freaking out, frank took a descending right turn (correcting back to 325?) and des got better.
more numbers = des to past daniel freq = 2.342 on 11 hertz. 11 doesnt register but 2.342 is our famous 23 & 42. how about penny’s future london phone number? no bells rung there.
minkowski (NOT DEAD) is faking the time travel bit and pushing des’s buttons. he knows and copies daniel’s time “fits’ to get des to reveal what des knows. Des & Daniel are like the lab rat that brain-farted – expendable.
Where does Abbadon fit with any of the new folks?
Best episode in years. Everyone that follows LOST will have to reflect on this episode – it is the portal from the first half of the series to the second half.
Only one thing I did not like – the skunky POS freighter – I was expecting a modern, state-of-the-art, hi-tech, almost carrier like freighter. What we got was a junky, trash-hauling relic of a freighter with Tunisian registry.
(DOH – Tunisian connection there?)
Comment 85, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Okay? It is 2004 on the island but is it 2007 real time (off island). Did Penny search for Des before is promised Dec. 24, 2004 call? Is the real call 12/24/07 (3 years later than he said)??
I think it’s 2004 on the show and not 2007. They started in 2004 and although we have been watching for 3 years, they have only been on the island 90 days.
Comment 86, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RAY wrote:
Hilarious. My uncle has been making fun of me because of how I lock down the house when Lost is on (no talking, no lights, no walking in my peripheral vision and seriously NO TALKING) but he hasn’t ever seen the show & always misses it because he works a night job. So tonight even though he was running late, he caught the very beginning and COULD NOT stop watching the TV to leave haha! I’m going to have to leave the ABC episode site up on the computer tonight to help him on his way to LOST addiction…
Comment 87, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
LostinSev wrote:
LostinSev, aye brotha we’ve got to get you a constant! Think of something that you care deeply about. The show is taking place in 2004. It’s 2004 on the island, AND on the freightor. To our knowledge, no one has traveled into the future yet.
Comment 88, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
LOL ray on number 5
Comment 89, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Michael is Walt’s father. Walt is the kid that the “Others” kidnapped from the boat.
Comment 90, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
did you catch widmore telling des after he gave des penny’s address “here .. go see her so she can tell you herself” what? that he’s behind the time travel? that she’s married? (she was wearing a gold band on her right hand … but many europeans wear wedding bands on the right hand) did you see all the gifts in the background?
michael is not on the boat … the man in the tower was walt — in future-grown up- now he’s charge
Comment 91, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Lost chicka, maybe Minkowski and Brandon? got their exposure from being in the communications room all the time.
Comment 92, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The actual “quote” in Danials’ notebook was:
“If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be my constant”. Lots of close paraphrases.
The 325 bearing vs. the 305 bearing: It is true that the dock from which Ben sent Michael and the Huey takeoff site could be far enough apart to require that much difference in “headings” to arrive at the SAME destination. Of course the freighter may have moved since Michael shoved off also.
The time travel theory needs some serious explanation. Lots of us have believed the Island existed in some time-warp or was only reached by traveling thru some portal. More recently, I’ve discounted those theories in my own mind due to the live radio communications and was leaning more towards the electro-magnetic effects just “bending” time slightly.
Can anyone explain a reasonable theory now ?
Comment 93, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I just did the math
the crash (Day one) was 22 Sep 2004
the reveal tonight was 24 Dec 2004
or Day 94. that lines up with the pop-up enhanced repeats. Jacks 100 days or so without baseball means he didn’t see a game the week before he left Sydney.
Comment 94, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
man yall need to get off this whole micheal on the boat thing….micheal got fired from the show like 2 seasons ago, he aint on no boat or is he coming back for his dog…poor walt just got the boot with him…
Comment 95, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Comment 96, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
ok, newbie here. loved that episode! love time travel stuff…. does it mean anything that the first mates shiplog belonged to someone named “hanso”? isnt that the name of the company that did the dharma iniative? i think penny’s RICH dad sent desmond to the island 6 years ago and had him type those numbers in hoping he would freak out and die from a time traveler brain anuerism. but he never did. does that make any sense to anyone but me????
Comment 97, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
man yall need to get off this whole micheal on the boat thing….micheal got fired from the show like 2 seasons ago, he aint on no boat or is he coming back for his dog…poor walt just got the boot with him…no lost chicka im superman
Comment 98, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Mark wrote:
I can’t quite do a blow-by-blow, but she answered, he said “You remembered” she said “I’ve been searching for you for 3 years. I know about the island” there was some static they said they loved each other ….. I think that was the gist of it.
Comment 99, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Can someone please explain what just went on. I am totally lost. Maybe i’m just dense, but i don’t get the whole “conscience time travel” thing. Am I to understand that the only way to go to and from the island is by time travel? If so, how does that make sense?
Comment 100, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Oh yeah another thing:
Did anyone else expect the auctioneer to announce a familiar name (or two) from the Black Rock ? Maybe Richard Alpert ?
Perhaps the freighter is ALSO “under the influence” or effected by a time-warp ?
Comment 101, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
YET… this entire season – they have been showing Harold Perrineau’s name in the 10 minute open credit crawl – five episodes!
not a spoiler – they advertise it – every week.
COUNTERPOINT?
Comment 102, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
who is richard alpert?
Comment 103, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur* wrote:
By Naomi, you mean her body, right? (she died a couple episodes ago) That’s a good point – you’d think some of the ship’s crew would go to get her off the copter.
lostlaur* wrote:
I thought he just gave Minkowski a sedative because he was yelling and trying to get out of the bed. Supposedly Juliet got a sedative too, and I believe that – they wanted to make sure she wasn’t awake to see the way they get to the island.
lostlaur* wrote:
LOL! That’s me too – my wife gets mad at me – she’s starting to dread Thursday nights.
Comment 104, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Thank you! Holy cow.
Comment 105, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Perhaps one or both had cancer and received radiation treatments? Maybe that is why Ben wanted his tumor removed on island to avoid “mainland” hospital radiation?
Oh, and Omar, “Michael” is played by Harold Perrineau who was NOT fired (but allowed to film a movie) and in fact has been in the credits (though not yet on the show) since the first episode of this season.
: ) P
Comment 106, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Comment 107, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
YET… this entire season – they have been showing Harold Perrineau’s name in the 10 minute open credit crawl – five episodes!
not a spoiler – they advertise it – every week.
COUNTERPOINT?
I have been purposely watching this and you are on point-his name is up there every week!
Comment 108, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Not to mention he was rehired last year.
Comment 109, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
skweez wrote:
I don’t fully get it either, but time travel is NOT the only way to get to the island. But apparently if you don’t approach the island from the correct angle, some funky things happen. A person’s body doesn’t physically jump from one period of time to another, but the person’s mind apparently does, jumping to their own body at a different point in time.
Comment 110, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lust4lost wrote:
Ah come on! Let me recommend reading lostpedia.com.
Comment 111, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
dukewm wrote:
YES. I totally did.
and Skweez on the island confusion-
Who knows haha?
I personally think that MAYBE with the exception of Desmond they are actually physically on the island. So far the only ones we’ve even gotten flash forwards of besides Desmond’s crazy time warping are Jack, Sayid, Hurley & Kate. So if it was only by mind that you could get to the island I don’t really get all the flashbacks for the first 3 seasons. That would be THREE paths of time simultaneously right? Past, Present and Future?
And Penny acknowledged that Desmond was somewhere far away, Ben had passports which leads me to believe that being on the island is a physical thing, and while traveling back and forth you apparently pass out, get nosebleeds etc. & I think the other Losties would notice other people acting like that. Also, I think there would be some weirdness concerning the people on the island who died- where would their bodies go? In the future & disappear from the past? Fall down dead in their past timeline? I’m sticking with actually physically being on the island.
Also- Walt may have that whole mind travel thing going on but he also has some other really weird abilities (killing the bird for one) so who knows. I always thought that Walt must have a lot more to do with things than original because why would they make him seem so special & have that comic book with the polar bear & island with the bubble and lightning bolt if he wasn’t providing foreshadowing? Maybe I just really like Walt and want him to come back.
Comment 112, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
buckeyejon wrote:
Welcome! The name Hanso appeared on that blast door map in the Swan Hatch that Locke saw for about 10 seconds back in season 2. And you’re right, the Hanso Foundation sponsored the Dharma Initiative. I think there was some additional information about the Black Rock-Hanso connection in the Lost Experience online game they had a couple years ago.
You may be right about Mr. Widmore’s motivations in sponsoring the round-the-world race, and hoping Desmond would be gone forever.
Comment 113, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
to the person that also asked “who’s michael?” lostpedia.com
thanks,hammer! i’m new to this blog and trying to play catch-up
Comment 114, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Seems like people are confusing the time travel thing with the island time thing. I don’t think is necessarily one in the same. The conscience time travel was presented as a side effect to the travel between the island and the real world.
Comment 115, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
didnt know i could stir up so much about micheal…sorrryyyy….but the real deal is that they run everyones name on the opening credits and it is just another lost illusion to keep the audience guessing, so untill he and walt time travel back to the island and charlie comes riding in with a sea turtle attached to him with captain Jack Sparrow on his side,,,i will not bring out the lost theories thats have already failed us…u say micheal name on the credits well so is charlies…???
Comment 116, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Comment 117, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur* wrote:
POS means Piece Of S*&^ (Crap). Most guys with old clunky cars know the reference. As for freighters, African countries like Liberia, Algeria, Tunisia, etc… are notorious for their run-down POS freighters (think the first Indiana Jones movie) that will do almost any drug-smuggling, human trafficking no-no for just a few bucks. I rewound my not so hi-def and saw no flags flying on the freighter. I saw a side mark that was not so intelligable. The Tunisia thing was more of giggle thing based on the Polar Bear Charlotte found, combined with POS shipping.
Comment 118, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Screwed up the quote…this is what I was referring to.
Comment 119, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
ray (80): now that’s just a bit sad. you’re newborn daughter requiring open heart surgery just doesn’t really compare to 2 fictional characters re-uniting on a sci-fi show.
buckeyejo (96): welcome….whoa, penny’s dad must really hate dez to want him to get time traveler brain anuerism (whoa, big word).
PJSander (105): thanx. that makes sense why ben wouldn’t want to get treatment for his tumor off the island. sooo much sense!!!
Hammer (114): yes, exactly what was said in the episode.
> lots of banging people into walls in this episode.
> so, how does daniel know about 1996, but can’t play a memory game? and can time travel affect the future then or not?
> richard alpert is the king of guyliner who gave locke the giant folder on sawyer in the brig which gave locke what he needed to know to get sawyer to kill cooper/the original sawyer.
>>daniel and des rock my sox off!!!!!
Comment 120, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
if you look at danie’s journal the map that locke saw seems to be on there
Comment 121, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I could see that too. Maybe he’s in cahoots with the old lady in the jewelry store and that monk.
But…..I remember hearing that when Desmond was first on the show, he was only supposed to be on for 3 episodes, but then D&C decided to bring the character back. I wonder how that ties into D&C’s original plan for this part of the story. Like you said earlier, Desmond is a VERY important part of the story. I couldn’t imagine the show if we never saw him again after he ran away from the Hatch.
Comment 122, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Well, were they playing a memory game or was he trying to get rid of the side effect? Now that he has his constant…
Comment 123, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So does this mean desmond knows daniel before he meets him on the island? If you look towards the end of the third episode this season when desmond is asking the pilot at Penny….daniel looks at desmond as if he knows him.
Comment 124, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
sorry asking the pilot about penny not at penny
Comment 125, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
It could have been a different character that was going to do all this travel stuff…and decided Dez was the better characer?
Comment 126, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
I don’t believe “Charlie” who is portrayed by Dominic Monaghan is in the opening credits, Omar.
Toeknee (#121) This was discussed in a podcast (don’t know which one since I listened to all of them for the first time this week). Not sure if it is okay to discuss here, though. If someone gives the “go-ahead” I will share what I remember.
: ) P
Comment 127, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Oops, replying to my own post. I actually think what I heard on the podcast was about Michael Emerson (Ben), not Desmond. Still, it may apply *grin*.
: ) P
Comment 128, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Could be – I know that’s basically what they did with Henry Gale/Ben. And I’m sure if they did, a lot of the plot we’ve seen would have been significantly different. My head is spinning enough after this great episode – I couldn’t even begin to imagine how else these first four seasons could have played out with someone else doing Desmond’s duties.
Comment 129, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
is the dream a flashfoward or what?
Comment 130, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
i meant the dream in the beginning.
Comment 131, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Thanks ToeKnee and Dukewm…
OK, i remember Ms. Hawkings saying that you can’t change anything. So, if that’s the case, what was the deal with Dez going to see Daniel. Did Daniel write that “Desmond Hume is MY constant” note after Dez left and right before he decided to try his experiment on himself?
Someone, please correct me if I’m wrong…. When Daniel saw the wreckage of 815, he didn’t know why he was upset. This was due to the fact that his future self had been to the island and knew what would happen OR is that scene to be looked at as a FF?
Comment 132, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
don’t lie (lying liarson). or waste time. Dom Monaghan was not of this shows credits. It went Mader… O’quinn… Perrineau. then the creators. then the guest stars. What bugs me is that Jeff Fahey (Frank) and Fisher Stevens (Minkowsy) are in the guest section. guess they won’t be around for long. While Miles, Charlotte and Daniel are up with the recurring regulars. That says something for who stays and goes!
Comment 133, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
mlc wrote:
A further thought….Desmond was discharged from the army for disobeying orders. Could it be that he went AWOL to find Daniel as told by the 2004 Daniel which sets him on the course that he is on. Maybe the past desmond he knew he was going to need to call penny on christmas eve 2004 from an island so he takes part on the around the world sailing competition as a search for the island in a way.
Comment 134, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Dang! You got my hopes up – I was hoping to get more scoop about Desmond.
But to address your comment about podcasts – I think they’re pretty much fair game for discussion unless you’re talking about events in upcoming episodes (i.e., spoilers).
Comment 135, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Bed time for Bonzo(me)…but I leave you all with this to ponder: Faraday says “you can’t change the future”. That is DHARMA’S whole objective, to change a factor in the Valenzetti equation to save the world(change the future). So is Faraday DHARMA?
Comment 136, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Good catch on the frequency. Even seeing it written on Desmond’s hand I didn’t pick up on that.
Another number – Penny’s address was 423.
And, going back to the Eggtown episode, in tonight’s pop-ups, they said that the court dockett number was something like 23421516
Comment 137, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
What significance is it that Dez is Daniels constant. It didn’t seem like Daniel acted any different after first encountering Dez. Also, is this the reason Daniel comes to the island. He received info. that Dez was there?
Comment 138, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
It may have also have to do with how good their agents are ($$) or if they are under contract to some other studio. *grin*
For example, if an actor is under contract elsewhere, they may be allowed to work for another studio only as a guest actor.
Hope this makes sense.
: ) P
Comment 139, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The one thing that (possibly) confused me was the very last shot.
If Penny, at the present point, contained knowledge of her past interaction with Desmond, than Daniel, at the present point, should also contain knowledge of his interaction with Desmond. Based on the way the scene was shot and played, it seemed that Daniel did not contain this knowledge until he came upon it in his journal. Now, if this is the case, it may be possible that Daniel, at the present point, somehow lost that memory until coming upon it in his journal – that seems to be the only explanation. However, my interpretation of the scene may be wrong and, perhaps, Daniel, at the present point, did contain this memory and was searching through his journal to come upon that page and remind himself of the impact and meaning of his work and his current setting. Remember, I am only talking about the last shot of Daniel, as his self ( his consciousness) then had experienced different circumstances than that of the one previously seen throughout the show.
The parameters of Lost’s take on time haven’t been fully set out, so it is hard to judge anything yet. So far, the theory presented is ridiculous, but it is quite entertaining.
Comment 140, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The Journeyman wrote:
Can you expound, please?
Comment 141, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lust4lost wrote:
How does this explain the recording?
Comment 142, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Can someone explain to me….if time is slower on the island, then how come OFF of the island the dates are the same??? Or did I miss something???
Comment 143, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
I don’t think time is slower on the island, especially not after what happenned with the time it took for the helicopter to reach the freighter. If anything, time moves faster.
Comment 144, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Same with Perrineau. Once he agreed to do another episode, his sweet deal was that he’d get a starring credit in every episode leading-up to the one that he actually appears in. That way he’d get union scale ($700+) per ep without doing any actual work. When he does show he’ll get at least 10 x Scale. Its been awhile for me. Scale is probably $1,000 now.
Comment 145, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
thats not fair. i live in california and im barely watching the episode and you guys have already watched it :(
Comment 146, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Does this episode explain some of the Oceanic Six? When the hatch explosion occurred, there were serveral who were off the beach away from the radiation, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley – held hostage by the Others. I believe Sayid, Jin and Sun were on Desmond’s boat trying to reach Jack and crew. Perhaps it was not safe for the ones who were on the beach in the vincinity of the hatch to be rescued since they were potentially exposed to radiation and it would not be safe to return given what Desmond experienced and probably all of them would not have a constant. Aaron can return because he doesn’t have any memories of the past but he’s not part of the six.
Comment 147, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Yall need to quit speculating and bring some hard cold facts to the table
Comment 148, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Last question before bed…
Did Jack ever get an answer as to why it seemed like a day since the huey took off but it wasn’t really that long?
Comment 149, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So this episode does mean that Desmond and Faraday knew each other before the island? Desmond’s dishonorable discharge from the army is a result of going AWOL in order to find Faraday which he was told to do from the “present” Faraday? Am I right to assume this?
Comment 150, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Angel wrote:
option 1: move.
option 2: read fast and go to school on those you are watching with.
:)
Comment 151, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
What is making you such a grumble-bump tonight, Omar, love? Saying that “Michael” is in the credits and “Charlie” isn’t in the credits was not speculation. It was fact.
The remainder of the answer was meant to show that an actor’s credit as star or guest star does not necessarily indicate the “health” or future demise of his or her character, because it may also be dictated by his or her contract.
: ) P
Comment 152, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
i dont understand the second option
Comment 153, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Nice to see a lot of familiar names around here! (Hammer, DocH, lostchika, Toeknee, Tasha)
I’m forcing myself to stay away from all LOST online content… but I couldn’t resist tonight.
They’ve been knocking it out of the park this whole season. Each episode gets better, and tonight was probably one of their best episodes of all time.
Above all, the acting tonight, from everyone – but especially from Desmond and Faraday – was absolutely superb…just downright moving. Emmy-award quality.
Comment 154, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
hurley (#139)
I don’t really get that too much either but I think it has to do with that random mind altering bubble around the island. Both Desmond and Dan broke through it the wrong way or were exposed to something that invoked the effects of what I’m going to call the bubble from now on.
Since Penny is off the island and has never encountered the bubble she would only know the random intrusion Desmond made in her life before disappearing for a few years to disappear on a sailboat.
Daniel is also kind of a different case though- he’s been messing with this stuff for a while so he’s been exposed to all sorts of stuff that others haven’t. It really seems to me that he knew about the island & its effect since he thought ahead of time to write “Desmond Hume is my constant”
Does that make any sense haha? This stuff is all so mind-blowing and not fully explained so I’m just reaching for straws here.
Side note: Hammer where is “Bedtime for Bonzo” from? My mom used to say it to me all the time & I’ve never asked what it was from…
Anyway I’ve been obsessing for almost 3 hrs now. I’ll be back tomorrow for the 800 new posts : )
Comment 155, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Angel wrote:
I think it means, read all the posts and then shock your friends with all the cool insights you have on the episode before it is even over yet!
: ) P
Comment 156, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
skweez wrote:
Umm….Sorry? LOL. That is what I meant. Either way. IT seems that time might be moving faster on the island or off….WOW I am confusing myself!
Time on AND off the island moves differently, am I right or wrong? If so why is the date still the same?
Comment 157, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
>> if daniel has memory problems, how can he remember all this scientific stuff????
> minkoski seemed to have a good idea of what was happening in the present time and past. he could still remember what happened a while back when the wires got cut off when his nose started to believe, right before he died. desmond doesn’t even remember sayid on the other hand and is still alive. so how does that whole thing work????
Comment 158, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I am new to the posts here but love everyone’s theories about what the heck is going on! I would like someone to clarify for me what the journal Mr. Widmore bid on is all about – I missed that.
Thanks!
Comment 159, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
The thing is, Desmond, after the initial time travel on the heli, is actually a consciousness from the past. While Minkowski seemed to retain himself as a consciousness from the present. Why is it different between the two? Who knows. What happened to the consciousness of Desmond that existed before the incident on the heli? Who knows. It doesn’t have to make perfect sense. That’s the beauty of fiction.
Comment 160, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur* wrote:
Don’ assume anything about Penny. My advice. Remember when Des first aprroached Daniel in ‘96 in the courtyard at the Univ. Daniel was affronted and implied that some of his peers or higher ups sent Des there to humiliate or mock him. Des quickly assuaded Daniel, but my first impression was that the Widmore, Hanso, Paik types were behind the Daniel mocking.
The Bonzo ref is in re: to the ’50s movie starring b-movie actor Ron Reagan and a chimp named Bonzo. There were several. Reagan made fun of that thru his political career. Hammer refers to Hammer as Bonzo because Hammer is the next lab animal to go through Daniels experimental time travel (slash death ray) tests. [;^)
lostlaur* = mom was calling the youthful you – a chimpanzee!
Comment 161, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
does anybody know who or what hume is?
Comment 162, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think Daniel broke through “it” the wrong way. I don’t think there is any evidence that he is experiencing any sort of time travel. In fact, I think Daniel’s experience is quite normal.
However, what you have to understand is that the Daniel (and in fact everyone else) that you see at the end is (or should be) a somewhat different Daniel than you have seen so far – based on his interaction with Des. That is not to say I make any assumptions about what happened between the time Des visited him at Oxford and when we last see him – in fact, the time between may not exist (think of an instant of time not as a segment in a line but as a single point – to get from A to C we may not need to pass through B even though B exists). In any case, the Daniel we see at the end DID meet Des. So, he should have knowledge of this in the moment in which we see him. Truth is, he may. However, the way the scene was played by the actor it appeared he didn’t until he came across the note in his journal – which would be inconsistent with Penny’s behavior over the phone – unless this memory was somehow wiped.
Again, it’s sci-fi so it doesn’t really have to make perfect sense.
lostlaur* wrote:
Comment 163, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Angel wrote:
desmond’s last name. :)
Comment 164, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
but didnt he write. “if anything goes wrong desmond, hume is my constant.”
Comment 165, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Angel wrote:
All I know is David Hume who was a very important figure in Philosophy.
Comment 166, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I was just re-watching the beginning of “The Constant” and saw the big electrical storm ahead of the helo when -
Whoa!
I just had a major flashback of 28 years when I first saw the movie “Final Countdown” – Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen just North of Hawaii on a USN Carrier. They go thru a massive electrical storm and wind-up back in time – the day before Pearl Harbor – with the chance to launch all the jet fighters/bombers against the Japanese fleet before they attack.
Okay. I’m back now. Nose is a little bloody.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Countdown_%28film%29
Comment 167, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
daniel does have locke’s map he drew in lockdown. why????
the beauty of sci-fi, or any fiction really, it doesn’t have to make sense. the good guy doesn’t always get the girl, and the good guy sometimes winds up time traveling in need of a constant among all his variables.
Comment 168, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Time only goes slower when you pass through the bubble. But the phones are in sync, so its confusing. Missile takes off from ship…shows up late. Helicopter takes off from island. Shows up late.
Comment 169, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
hurley wrote:
Well this may be why we see Daniel “practicing” his memory with Charlotte. Maybe they gave him a history of forgetting stuff to explain why he doesn’t remember meeting Desmond in 1996.
: ) P
Comment 170, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Just a thought, but I am wondering if Jack is time traveling too and if what these events we are seeing on the island are already “the past,” so to speak. That is to say that our main characters have gone back in time to be there.
The opening scene of the pilot episode has never made sense to me. Jack wakes up in the woods – nowhere near the wreckage. He is looking up at tall trees that are close together. There is no way he fell out of the sky and through those trees and only suffered that one laceration (the one Kate sewed up). It just seemed like he was placed there or something. And when he woke up, he headed straight for the beach where the wreckage was. How did he know which way to go?
And, of course, Locke always knows when it is going to rain. And didn’t he sort of have a vision of Boone dying before it happened?
I thought some people had theorized a long time ago that the dead bodies in the cave were Kate and Jack. This was based on the time travel/looping thing.
Comment 171, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I have a picture of the guy with binoculars. Too big for Michael. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/bengance/man_lost_the_constant.jpg
Comment 172, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Daniel Faraday . . . anyone care to discuss the connection to Michael Faraday, the physicist and chemist after whom Faraday’s Constant is named, and one of the founders of electromagnetism? (Might be too obvious, but I was excited to see the reference).
Comment 173, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
hurley wrote:
Here is a brain-bender. Last week – Charlotte and Daniel doing the three card monty where Daniel has to recite the value & suit of the three face down playing cards. Now the question. Did Charlotte JUST show Daniel the cards? or did she show him 8 years (or any # of yrs) ago? And this is the test they use (repeatedly?) to test Daniel, whenever Daniel starts to lose it or zone out. Kind of like his own personal DUI/sobriety test.
Comment 174, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Ben wrote:
I think its too big to be him unless he gained a whole lot of weight!
Chicago 37- I always wondered about that too. I have always thought that it was all staged at the beginning but it never added up. I have blown it off but you might be on to something there.
Comment 175, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
chicago37: well jack may have known where the crash was bcuz he could hear people screaming (as you can on the episode). it was a miracle any of them survived the crash, like sayid said in one of the first couple of episodes to kate (yes i watch the old ones frequently enough that i remember that). and predicting rain is pretty easy, rain has a smell and jungle man locke can do just about anything on the island (predicting rain is one of his gifts from the island :P).
Comment 176, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The best episode of Lost and probably the best episode of TV (and I’m a trek fan) ever. Absolutely incredible. I had tears streaming down my face, and I’m bloke. Incredible. How can they top that?
Comment 177, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Anyone think the shot that the communication officer got in this episode was the same shot Sayid got from Ben 2 weeks ago?
If so, does Sayid get affected by the time travel issue, or is this just a precautionary measure by Ben because he is going to send Sayid back to the island.
Comment 178, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
NewHere wrote:
michael faraday was born on….September 22, 1791. lol.
Comment 179, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Equation wrote:
- the 120 mph helicopter took about 6 hours to get to the freighter,
- the 1200 mph rocket took just over a half hour to get to the freighter,
- 669,600,000 mph radio phone call took “X” seconds to get to the freighter?
(Answer: 0.003871 seconds)
I thought I noticed the difference.
Comment 180, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
This has to be one of the top episodes ever. If you didn’t get choked up at the end with Penny and Desmond you just didn’t get it. First series that I’ve ever watch that started great and then kind of sucked and then has come back to be one of the best show out there.
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Evan wrote:
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DocH wrote:
What’s up, Doc? Having fun with your calculator, I see. But seriously…good comments this week. That’s what you should be doing–keeping everyone in line utilizing your mad googlin’ skills.
Comment 183, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
-I didn’t really think about this until right now, but when Rousseau’s exploration ship or whatever it was crashed and everyone died from a “sickness”, what do you think the chances are that the sickness was the sort of thing des experienced.
Comment 184, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Oceanic flight 815 crashed and the passengers are all dead. Their consciousnesses, however, are somehow trapped in the time warp that is associated with this Island.
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PJSander wrote:
Again, the Daniel we saw before the last scene of this episode HAD NOT met Des. Only the Daniel we see at the very end HAD met Des. So, it would be impossible for him to have remembered or forgot Des when he first arrived on the island because that interaction hadn’t happened yet. It appears time is not a continuous line in Lost and that moments in time can be altered by other moments in time. There is no fatalism here – the future can be changed.
Comment 186, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
>When Charlie got in touch w/ Penny did it look like she was in her apartment?
>What’s up with Penny’s pop leaving the water on in the bathroom?
Comment 187, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I think there is some significance that Desmond’s left eye looks slightly bigger than his right eye in 1996. Might be that his mind travel caused the right side of his brain to trigger a growth in his left eye.
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I just thought of this… I wonder if Frank and Sawyer are related? They look very similar….maybe a little too similar????
Comment 189, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
If you go back to the scene in the auction house, take a long hard look at the crowd. I’m positive Naomi, Anna Lucia and Charlie are sitting there!
Comment 190, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
OTHER BIDDERS
does anyone have a screen shot of the auction scene? I’m pretty sure BEN and Ms Hawking are both there. Ben is on the opposite side of Widimore, back row, isle seat. He has a pony tail. Hawkings is directly in front of him.
A screenshot would be greatly appreciated. Thoughts?
Comment 191, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
JabaModern wrote:
I definitely don’t see any of them there. Maybe Ben and Hawkings. Do you have a screen shot of the audience head on?
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got one:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R8eHvwnj81I/AAAAAAAAAJ8/VAAj4YYOwck/s1600-h/screen-capture-2
here is a closer looks.
http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/46262/2006168183873597422_rs.jpg
Comment 193, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Great episode.
The Auction scene was cool; I love villains and Penny’s Dad seems like a good fit. Nice painting of the Ship.
I like the Chopper pilot too. Seems like a good guy trying to help the Losties. But he seems a bit scared of the Ship Crew; is he the one who opened to door for them?
Why is the Ship crew too dumb to post a guard?
LostChicka; Have you ever been to Oxford?
I’m sure they care a lot more about brains than haircuts…I’ve seen plenty of freaks at big colleges.
Charlotte is one super bitch; condescending and catty.
I would have slapped her silly when she started telling Daniel to shut up. I’d bet she and Miles are a couple as they both have smart mouths and keep secrets. I’d keep her ass tied up; she can’t be trusted at all and she is sure to cause trouble.
I’d separate her and Daniel; ask questions, and if I didn’t believe her…I’d give her just one more chance to tell the truth before she got her own Miles Style Sandwich. (…enjoy your breakfast!)
I bet Charlotte and Freckles go at it soon. Or maybe a cat fight with Sun…or….?
I miss Jin and Sun…come on…more please.
If I was on the Chopper that landed on the ship I’d be asking about food pretty quickly. Don’t these folks get hungry?
Comment 194, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Daniel did say that the side effect was different for everyone. When he first landed on the island Jack asked him who he was and it took about 3-4 seconds before he gave his name. Like he couldn’t remember it. He could be “remembering” the cards from sometime in the near future. Perhaps Charlotte deals three cards and then Daniel “remembers” what they will be when they are turned over.
I was wondering why Desmond would be Daniele’s constant since he told Des that the constant had to be something very important to you but I guess it’s because Des helped him with his research.
Toeknee, It was next Thursday 31 minutes ago. We now have to wait for it to come around again.
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mike wrote:
Absolutely…possible. LOL
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FMGreen Steve wrote:
Sorry you’ve been hiding, you were always helpful in the past.
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lostlaur* wrote:
I’m strugglin to remember if it was TV show or just a story book. But Bonzo was a monkey and that was the catch phrase for him to go to bed.
Comment 198, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So just trying to put it all together. Widmore buys the book, finds out about the island and what’s going on there, sets up Dez to end up there(don’t know why yet). Dez goes missing, Penny decides that she needs to find him…
Faraday’s card game was one attempt to stop the side effects, then Dez comes along and he realizes that’s his constant. Also, he is the “mad man”(one of the four Naomi tells the Addenon(sp?) she feels shouldn’t be going on the trip). So he is assumed crazy because of the conscience time travel. (Is Hurley doing the same thing or is he really nutzo?).
I agree with an earlier post that the virus is not virus but the side effect and the injections are an attempt to fix the side effects but obviously don’t completely work.
Comment 199, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
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I think the time from for the jump was short for the card game…similar to the one hour deal for the mouse.
Comment 200, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone know how many episodes we will have left? Thanks!
Comment 201, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Shane –
I love that movie, and it never even occurred to me that Penny being an anchor might homage to the penny in C. Reeves’ pocket that blew the whole thing in the movie. It was one of the most beautiful movies I’ve ever seen.
I’m also anxious to see what is in that journal Widmore bought and how it might relate to Penny finally finding Desmond.
Peace.
Comment 202, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer & Lostlaur:
“Bedtime for Bonzo” was a flick from 1951 starring Ronald Reagan and a chimp (Bonzo).
D
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omar wrote:
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how does penelope have the same phone number for 8 years
I’ve had my phone number for the past 20 years. Why would she change her number?
Comment 205, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Wow! It’s like Star Trek! I think Widmore is totally evil and definitely knows all about the island, Black Rock, etc. I’m thinking maybe Abaddon is working for Widmore. Perhaps Ben is the good guy trying to protect the losties and the island. Sorry, but I’m afraid our Des is a dead man walking.
Comment 206, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I think a dead Des and more is why Faraday is bawling in his fast forward.
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intolost wrote:
I think it was a flash back.
That being said, maybe he time travels and appears to blank out while doing it.
That would account for his caretaker.
And when he was crying, it was because he had just time traveled to somewhere that involves the island story and he just “came back”.
Comment 208, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
hurley wrote:
I’m not so sure that your conclusion is accurate, that the future can be changed. Daniel had to have met Desmond, in order to record in his notebook that Desmond is his Constant.
If you buy into the future can not be changed then it does not matter how they interacted prior to Desmond getting on the heli. If future can not be changed, Faraday will figure out that his radiation exposure machine will work eventually, whether in 1996 Desmond tells him or not.
As it stands he thinks that Desmond is the key to him understanding how his radiation machine worked, so Desmond became important to him, and at some point after their encounter he realized that Desmond should be his Constant.
Comment 209, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
How do we know it’s really 2004 on the boat? Only because of the calendar on the wall!
This could have been planted there to confuse Des.
And when he called Penny, it was Xmas eve, right, but nothing to say it was 2004. In his conversation with Penny there is no mention of dates or time.
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mlc wrote:
We don’t know what his dishonorable discharge is for yet. I don’t think he went AWOL to find Farrady, he told Penny he had 2 days leave and he was going to go see her. He then went to see 1996 Farraday.
Comment 211, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Bruno wrote:
The short answer is that writers in podcasts said that everything (save flash forwards) is taking place in 2004.
Comment 212, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So when Desmond goes back in time and inhabits his own body, he goes and talks to Penny.
When he goes back to the current time, does his conscience self of 1996 realize what happened?
I don’t think so, which means Desmond didn’t know he had met Daniel before, but Daniel did.
What I mean is, only one of the consciences, either the one from 1996 or the one from 2004 could perceive what was happening at the time and it was clearly the one from 2004. The one from 1996 must have been blacked-out.
Comment 213, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Not much time, but I don’t think this has been mentioned yet:
Des destroys the hatch
Des escapes by sailboat, comes back after hitting a big storm
Des begins to see the future
Des leaves by heli, begins to see the past
Comment 214, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I am interested in the previously mentioned “vile vortices” idea. The map on wikipedia show the places on the globe where they are supposedly located and there is one on either side of the continent of Australia, one near Madagascar(where the Black Rock journal that Charles Widmore won in auction was found), one near Antarctica(polar bears), and one near Tunisia(where Charlotte found the polar bear skeleton with the Dharma tag). Very interesting…
This was an awesome episode. The scene with Des and Penny on the phone was so moving…I love their love story!
I still do not understand why Charles Widmore hates Des so much…it just seems more than you’re not good enough for my daughter. Did anyone else think it was weird when they were in the bathroom at the auction house and when he was done washing his hands, he left the faucet running…did he know that it would do something to Des?!
I still stick with my thought from last week that Miles was Ben’s “man on the boat”. Their conversation was not really about extortion but they were talking in code. They both have that ghost whisperer thing going on and maybe got in contact that way, which is why Miles asked Ben if he knew who he was.
I think maybe there are two different factions on that boat…the scientist guys and Frank(who is there because he feels some kind of responsibility because he was supposed to be the pilot of 815) and the tough guys who I think work for Charles Widmore.
Great episode!
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Andrew wrote:
I think Ben’s spy on the boat is BEN. He probably has the ability to choose when he goes back in time, and he’s jumping all over the place. I don’t know. I’m at work… bored and tired. lol.
Comment 216, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone else notice that Sayid has a scar on his left arm through some of the episode of the Economist(when on the island) but not in the future when he is with the woman that he killed. I also noticed that he had the scar in this episode. Does this have anything to do with the time travel?
Comment 217, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
“…Again, the Daniel we saw before the last scene of this episode HAD NOT met Des. Only the Daniel we see at the very end HAD met Des…”
I think it is the other way around. Daniel had met him and even noted his name in his journal.
Desmond had not met Daniel yet because his 1996 conscience was blacked out when the 2004 conscience took over and met Daniel.
Comment 218, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
IMO, last night’s episode that centered around Desmond was the most brilliant since the LOST series began. Brilliant writing. I can’t even begin to comment on what all of it means…nor will I attempt to hypothesize about it! I’m just along for the riding and enjoying the heck out of it!!!!
Comment 219, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
I hadn’t thought of things like that, but now that you mention it, Desmond of 2004 SHOULD have known who Farraday was,as Farraday was the impetus of him naming Penny as his Constant. Surely the crazy set of circumstances in 1996 would have stayed with him.
The only explanation I can come up with, is the effects of the heavy exposure to electromagnetism, when the hatch exploded, affected his memory, but they just didn’t really talk about it on the show.
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Bruno wrote:
Hmmm. She did say she had been looking for him for three years. She did see him sometime in 2001, so she might have started when he first went missing on his sailing adventure. Perhaps she started looking on December 24, 2004, when she didn’t get the call she was expecting?
RGS (#211) The podcasts did talk about it being 2004, but I thought, as usual, D&C were a little guileful in their answer! *g*
: ) P
Comment 221, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Great that we finally see something about the Black Rock! Next up, some info on the 4 toed people who made the statue.
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lost chicka wrote:
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PJSander wrote:
It is Lost and now that time travelling consciousness is involved…who knows. But my question would then be, how did they know Desmond was going to go into the room with the calendar? Why would they pick 2004 as the year that they need to fool him with, he wasn’t on the plane crash, and they supposedly didn’t think there’d be any 815 survivors to link that up with?
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rdizz 222 Brandon and Minkowski went to look for the island on a boat. He said as much, when they returned the time traveling stuff started happening to them. Brandon ended up dying quicker (not exactly sure how he died).
Comment 225, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
And the time travel can also explain how Mikale can come back from the dead.
Comment 226, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I thought the creators of the show dismissed all of this time travel stuff (except for Desmond).
Now if this is going to become widespread, doesn’t that mean they lied or mislead us?
Either that or we are theorizing to much about time travel in this show.
Comment 227, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lust4lost wrote:
you must also be new to LOST…
Comment 228, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
des and faraday havent met in the past untill they met on the island sort of a back to the future thing it has to happen in the future and changes the past
Comment 229, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
How long have the Losties actually been on the island? We know that on the island the helicopter was gone for a day and a half, but in reality only about twenty minutes. We also know that when the rocket with the clock was shot from the boat to the island it was over an hour behind schedule.
Based on the time that past on the island (36 hrs) since the helicopter left and how long it actually took the helicopter to get to the boat (20 min), does that mean that in the world outside of the island Flight 851 crashed only approximately 21 hours ago?
There’s some holes in this theory based on things that have gone on in the outside world between the crash and now. Thoughts?
Comment 230, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
They must have known Des was on the island. Why would Naomi have had a picture of him and Penny?
Comment 231, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
This is from 3 years ago but…
http://www.lostisagame.com/articles/debunk_time%20_travel.htm
“I don’t think we’ve shown anything on the show yet … that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and … things being in a place where they probably shouldn’t be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn’t any time travel.”
Comment 232, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Pete wrote:
Why do we know the helicopter has only been gone in “our” world for only 20 minutes? I think CircusM or one of the Lauras, and I agree with it, that the time loss only occurs when you are passing in the “bubble” that surrounds the island. So for instance, it may take 18 hours to get through the bubble via air.
Comment 233, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Gr..I wrote this lengthy post and the internet ate it. I hate you internets…
RGS: I think you’re on to something! However, I think that though the universe “course corrects” the people involved still sort of need to be involved in the course corrections for the sake of continuity. I’m not sure why, but mostly I think its to avoid paradoxes.
On Headings: Nautical Headings are directional navigation tool. If someone is at point a and wants to get to point c they would head south. If the same person were at point b and wanted to head to point c, they might need to head southwest. This is why longtitudinal & lattitudianl coordinates are so neccesary and helpful. They are more exact points than directions. When these two tools are used in concert, accuracy in enhanced.
On Time Bending: I think the mental deterioration we witness of the Desmond, Minikowski, & Daniel is the result of the consciousness time travelling. The brain compartmentalizes the experiences in such a way as to allow the brain to decompress and not effectually “implode” from the effects of the travel. This has got to be related to the sickness Rousseau mentions earlier in the episodes. The question becomes, why some and not others?
I also think getting to the island is sort of like looking at those 3d image opitcal puzzles. If you stare at them long enough and relax your ocular muscles you begin to see the hidden image, but as soon as you blink or look away you lose it. However you get it back when you look again and it takes less time to find the image.
LAA meeting soon guys?
Comment 234, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I still think it is some type of dimensional thing which ties into time travel. Maybe in a different dimension time is different or moves differently. During the first part of the episode I felt that way because Des kept “leaving.” He even said that. He told his friend that he left. Daniel asked where he was. Not only could it have been time travel but the question could have been “where” as in “what dimension.” The mind was traveling back and forth between two different times and worlds. In one world he had met Daniel in the other he hadn’t.
Yeah I know….a little far fetched. I am not getting a degree in physics….I am trying to get a degree in communications so I don’t know much about this kind of stuff.
Comment 235, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Several things:
The injections given are two different things (one clear, one yellow)…I had the impression that Sayid’s shot was supposed to be a numbing agent before removing the bullet…and Minkowski’s was a sedative.
RE Doc H 173:Excellent idea with the cards…and how long ago he was supposed to remember them from…since Charlotte was the one that put out the cards, it had to be a test from the not to distant past (assuming Charlotte and Daniel have only known eachother since this venture)
RE JD 146: LOVED the idea that only some can go back because of the exposure to radiation (and thus Sayid, Jack, Hurley, Kate Jin and Sun COULD go back) (as could Sawyer but I think he chooses not to). This might help explain why Jack is so upset about Aaron…Jack thinks Aaron should have stayed with Claire (who can’t leave)but Claire asks Kate to take Aaron back to have a normal life and kate agrees..
Great episode….Hey Laura*…could you decifer those equations Daniel of Oxford had on his blackboard?
Comment 236, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
New to the blog – Love the theories – We have yet to meet the woman (Regina?/Naomi’s sister) who supposedly received satelitte phone calls on the freighter (same boat?) and launched the missile in Dan’s time test. She may also have some answers.
Comment 237, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Oh and I was thinking….regarding pregnant women on the island. We don’t really know why the mothers and babies die, but could it be an affect of the radiation or electromagnetism? They do not travel through the bubble though. But womens hormones whack out when pregnant….could this have something to do with like the rat dying? I remember Claire’s nose bleeding anyway.
Comment 238, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur* 77: i think that the exponential thing was that once Des got off the island and the sideeffects began to kick in exponential manner: he was travellign into the past more frequently(and soon he would completely loose his ancor and would not be able to distinguish between pasta nd present and if he could not realign past and present through the constant he would die like Malinawski)
lost chika 78: you said that you thought that Daniel is like Des. I disagree. I think Daniel knows how to helo Des as he has been studying that stuff (so he gave Des the instructions on how to realign past with present and overcome the side-effect), Daniel doe snot have the side effect, but he knows about it and therefore writes himself a note we see at the end (in case he expereinces the same side effect)
Hammer 114: agreed. And this is not ‘trime travelling’ as such, it is more like a ‘time disorder’ side-effect: they cannot control when they gonna go and they’ll die if they do not figure out a way to realign past and present.
skweez 137: significance of Des being Daneil’s constant is that a) Des has been through the side effect and daniel sucessfully helped him to realign past and present and overcome it so Des knows what side effect is and expereinced how it can be overcome b) Daniel is aware that he may expereince the same side effect too (he was exposed in the past through his work to radiation) and he knows that Des will be the best constant for him in case side eefects happen
Hurley 159 & 162: agreed
i thought that the episode supports the assumption that there is some kind of difference in the way time passes (it took heli a lot longer to get to the boat than island time expectations)
there is gonna be a lot me of ‘competing loyalties’ ahead: Ben got his man on the boat, Frank seems willing to help Sayid, i think Malinowski was helping Sayid and Des, Sayid will join forces with Ben, in the preview we see that Locke and Ben will have ‘we have common enemies’ talk – alliance talk perhaps. I expect a lot more to be revealved about who is really in whose camp…
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Gigantopithecus wrote:
I’m starting to believe this theory…
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Omg best episode ever! I love how the writers timed it to Christmas Eve, like the episode was a big present for us loyal viewers.
mlc – Yes, I do think that is why Des ended up in the guard’s prison for going awol to see Faraday at Oxford
DocH- The cards do seem to be a way to test Faraday’s memory or status or mental functioning. I was also thinking it may be a way for the tots to check the effects of making it to the island somehow.
Freckles & adriennez- It did seem strange that Widmore left the water running. I think for some reason it was on purpose to make Des go forward/backward in time subconsciously.
I think Widmore knows alot about the island and seems to be very close to making connections via the journal. Why would Widmore give Penny’s address away unless he thinks Penny would reject Des, and thereby ending their relationship. Maybe Des and Widmore will come face to face (past Dec. 24 2004) and Widmore too will travel in time subconsciously.
I totally dig this form of time travel. Although it does remind me of movies like “Somewhere in Time” it also reflects people’s cognitive functioning. Like people with advanced Alzheimers think its 1942 and there in a nightclub when they are really in an assisted living center’s locked unit. You can’t convince them otherwise about the date and if you do they get really upset and cry or yell. Also there have been cases where brain surgery was being performed and people’s memories became vivid when a neurostimilator instrument touched a part of the brain.
Charlotte is not a nice person. I hope she gets whats coming to her like Ben did.
Also this episode makes me think what happened with the explosion where Des was exposed to the radiation. The whole sky lit up and it seems almost everyone was exposed. Especially for Locke since he was also close to the radiation. Ecko and Charlie were there but died (too bad) so we don’t know who else was affected. It seems that since Aaron was an infant that same dose of outside exposure would affect him more so than the adults. I hope he’s okay when he gets back to the states.
Totallyloved the dialogue between Penny and Des, so sweet. We needed something like this since this season’s other episodes haven’t been so fairy-tale-ending like.
Comment 241, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Josh wrote:
it said ” if something goes wrong desmond is my constant”
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DOCH(132): i think that daniel and minkowski are simply listed as guests because they are bigger stars than miles and charlotte.
miles and charlotte both seem like such smart asses…and i still think miles and ben are in cahoots. esp. after miles said he doesn’t wanna leave and is exactly where he wants to be.
this ep. was AWESOME, and affirmed a lot of theories we’ve all been sharing. but the only thing that baffles me is whether it’s 12/24/04 with penny.
i was almost CERTAIN that time was different on the island, as they’ve mentioned before. the difference of the rocket clocks by almost x 10 would mean that 90+ days is really 2.5ish years, explaining how walt could look taller if he got off the island, and explaining how frank didn’t seem wonder why jack would mention the red socks 100 days later. the sox had just one another series in 07. and we KNOW that the bearded jack future flashes take place in 07 because of the date on the newspaper article.
i can wrap my head around everything else, but is it really 04 in penny land? i can understand if the freighter is on island time; those guys obviously aren’t clued in on whatever the chopper folks know.
then again, it seems like the freighter folks thought daniel was crazy. he was previously referred to as a head case.
at first i thought that minkowski was leonard from the crazy house with hurley. even though he’s not, i STILL think there’s a sam toomey connection. sam used the numbers at a carnival to guess the beans in a jar. then later got in the freak accident.
minkowski mentioned a ferris wheel…(carnival)
lastly,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqK8q2k1Ru4
Comment 243, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
First time blogger…I seem to recall that Ben had a nose bleed either early this season or late in the last season. This may indicate that Ben has the side effects of time travel and why he knows how to manipulate people so well. When the plane crashed, Ben ordered “files” on all passengers meaning that maybe some of the “others” can also time travel. How else would Ben/”others” know such details about the passengers. I also remember from posts past that some thought the writers would somehow incorporate the Tsunami on Dec 25, 2004 into the story. We will see.
Comment 244, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
BTW, side effects of radiation include memory loss.
additionally, radiation affects dividing cells which is what a fetus is filled with…the radiation may affect the ability of women to remain pregnant..also affects development of capillaries (hence bleeding).
Why wouldn’t Dr. Juliette know all this? (oh, maybe she didn’t know that the island was filled with radiation…)
Don’t know of an injection to counteract radiation effects…
Comment 245, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
in regards to why pregnant women lose their children: a possible theory may be that if island time is slower than non-island time, then babies concieved on the island grow at a slower rate. thus delivering baby at 7 or 8 months perceived time, is really only a month or two island time and the baby is not developed at all. those conceived and/or born off of the island age at a normal pace i.e. ben and aaron. that is also why ben seems to be aging and richard alpert (born on the island), for example, is not.
just a thought.
Comment 246, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
i just skimed the posts so im just puting this out there and sorry if someone already said this but, did anyone notice that there was a blcok rock ship on the island and there was also a block rock diary? and also why did mr. widmore leave the sink running in the bathroom, not a normal thing to do after washing ur hands..
Comment 247, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
bruno(209): i like the idea of the planted calendar!
somethings i forgot earlier:
a lot of things reminded me of “through the looking glass”. minkowski said something about the blinking yellow light/answering the call. my next immediate thought was “IS CHARLIE REALLY DEAD?!?!?” …even though i think he is. but still. i explored the “what if he’s not”/time travel thing, and thought of the greatest hits episode where he helps nadia from getting mugged. she said that no one else stopped, and it’s almost like he knew to go over there…i dunno. maybe that’s a stretch.
i also thought of mikhail…how what if HE’s the man on the boat. and what if the sonar fence exposed him to something that could make similar things happen to him as des and dan. again..maybe a stretch.
so what’s up with the cable-cutting?! whoever did that was not only trying to eff with the communication but also make a statement with it. seems like that might be outing yourself if you were trying to lay low.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqK8q2k1Ru4
Comment 248, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Minkowski tell Desmond that he looks a lot older now when Desmond is looking in the mirror.
Maybe Minkowski realizes that Desmond is time traveling forward in time and thinks he looks a lot older when he looks in the mirror at himself.
We all assume Desmond is time traveling back in time but maybe he can travel forward as well.
Maybe when he travels back in time into his 1996 body, his 1996 conscience travels forward at the same time.
That may explain confusion of the various time travelers during the 2004 timeframe.
Comment 249, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
JD wrote:
I really like this possibility… especially since I have a feeling Sawyer isn’t gonna make it. That leaves 6 plus Aaron and it works out nicely.
Des can survive and not be part of the 6 since he wasn’t on the plane…
Comment 250, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Not only do the mothers lose their babies but the mothers actually die.
Comment 251, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
and also why did mr. widmore leave the sink running in the bathroom, not a normal thing to do after washing ur hands..
I think the water running was just for effect, to show the time-lapse with desmond jumping from that time to the future/present. leaving the tap running showed how quickly he came in and out of consciousness, and how much time went by between “leaps.”
i really dug the concept of time travel as a conscious thing, not a physical thing. i thought desmond finding daniel in the past was a little marty mcfly/doc brown, but in a good way. gotta love sci-fi and how anything is possible. i just hope the time-travel concept doesn’t stray too far from all the other key questions we need answered about this show, like why the plane crash? why these people? why have the others? how did ben get so powerful? and how are they all connected?
love live lost!!
Comment 252, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Lost Fan…I said this up in Post 214…I think it was really weird too…who just leaves the sink running. Maybe Widmore knew it would somehow affect Des?
Comment 253, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
This episode? Vonnegut. Slaughterhouse-Five?
Comment 254, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Okay this is off the subject a little bit. But Rose had Cancer and decided to go off of radiation. TH eplane could not have possible taken that coordinate onto the island…or could it….or does it not matter since there was a bubble when the hatch was still there?
Anyhow, could this be the reason why she is healed? Those who have been exposed to radiation have wierd side effects. I really doubt that NOBODY else on the plane was not exposed. Maybe Locke was with him being paralyzed? Jack was a dr, he must have been exposed to radiation at some point….. Maybe why he has hallucinations?
OMG! MY MIND IS FRIED!
Comment 255, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So fried I just realized all the typos I had in my comment…hope everyone gets what I was TRYING to say!
Comment 256, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
sorry to say, but that is not ben in the auction room, get a better set of peepers
Comment 257, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
this episode, the economist, and confirmed dead are all among the BEST episodes of lost EVER!!!
mike (183): good idea, but i think the only way you can get what des & minkoski got if you leave the island. but then that doesn’t make sense if daniel has it, so i guess you could be right. i love the idea, but i think they had that thing they gave claire
freckles (186): i thought she was in her apartment too. was desmond in the apartment in flashes before your eyes too????
tasha (230): possibly bcuz she’s been calling them constantly according to george.
i looked at the screen caps on dark ufo. there’s no ben, naomi, anna lucia, charlie, or mrs. hawkings there.
everybody seems to tell daniel to stay quiet – miles, frank, charlotte – why? bcuz he’s got whatever issue? daniel seems like an important character more & more each week. oh, and you should look at the screencaps of daniel’s book it’s very interesting.
so which is better bonzo or lost????? hmmmm….
Comment 258, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Evan wrote:
LOL! Agreed. and it’s not mrs. Hawkings either.
Comment 259, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
“I refuse to acknowledge the idea that Sawyer dies because he is my biggest person-who-doesn’t-really-exist crush.”
Mine too! I love him. Named my baby after him! (seriously…) :~)
Comment 260, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
FMGreen Steve wrote:
Hey FMGreenSteve – we miss seeing you around here, but glad to see you’re enjoying this season as much as the rest of us!
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lostlaur* wrote:
Hmmm, this comment sure made me feel old
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Angel wrote:
There was no comma between desmond and hume.
Comment 261, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So all we have to realize is that when Daniel or Desmond go back in time, their consciousness from the time they go back to actually goes forward to the current time.
Their consciousnesses actually switch times.
Therefore he is confused when he is on the helicopter and freighter because his consciousness changes from current 2004 to 1996 and he doesn’t realize what is happening.
When Daniel starts crying after seeing the wreck of the Oceanic 815 a few episodes ago, his body was being inhabited by his consciousness from a time that he was aware of some connection to that flight.
Comment 262, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I can’t believe I read the whole thing! Keep coming with the good thoughts. I was most interested in the auction of the journal from the Black Rock. It probably contains more writing about someone who traveled like Desmond and Faraday. Once Widmore reads it, this leads him to exploit the island.
Best line: Sayid, in response to the questions about if he can fix the communications room: “I’ll need a minute.”
Second best line? Anyone?
Comment 263, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
murrayhead wrote:
It goes something like this….
The journal belonged to one of the crew members, named Hanso, on The Black Rock, the slave trading ship from the 1800’s that is currently located in the middle of the island. The auctioneer said that the Black Rock was lost at sea so apparently noone knew what happened to it. The Hanso that wrote the journal is an ancestor to Alvar Hanso, of the Hanso Corporation, which sponsored the Dharma Initiative. The journal somehow appeared in or near Madagascar, and was being auctioned off. I’m sure a better explanation could be found at Lostpedia.com.
Comment 264, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Erin wrote:
**Attention Lostblog associates, we have a Sawyer Stalker in aisle 259. Please approach with care***
Comment 265, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
If Widmore was willing to pay over 300,000 pounds for the journal, he must have had a very good idea that its contents were important. He probably got all sorts of inside knowledge of the island from reading it…
Why do you think he gave Des Penny’s address? Seemed unlike him. Unless he really thought Pen was over him and wouldn’t see him, and that might make Des give up on her?
Comment 266, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Joel wrote:
Lol, I felt a missing line was when Sayid (with gun in waist) asks Frank for the phone and Frank asks for the gun. I believe Sayid should have stated, “Perhaps you misunderstood me, GIVE me the phone.” *flashes gun*
Comment 267, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lust4lost wrote:
Earlier in the conversation, Mr. Widmore told Desmond something like Penny hates him. So the “she can tell you herself” was in reference to that.
Comment 268, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
If I’m a Sawyer stalker, might as well make the aisle number something more relevant… #23 or 42, for example!
I’m not a stalker. I just love that character and think Sawyer is a cool name. Suits my little guy (though let’s hope he grows up to be less messed up than our Lostie Sawyer!)
RGS wrote:
Comment 269, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Actually, when I was at the health unit to get baby Sawyer’s immunizations, met a couple there who’d named their baby Desmond… So, I’m not the only one!
Comment 270, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
nakira wrote:
Comment 271, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
gosh. the ending with penny and des was just INCREDIBLE. those two make jack and kate look like ……… well, let’s just say i know about eloise.
easily the best episode ever.
Comment 272, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Watching the previous ep i believe that Daniel could see the future. We only saw the cards after they were down and then Charlotte says 2 out of 3 ain’t bad. I think its not his memory she is checking, but in the previous two attempts he knew the cards that ne never saw. so maybe he knows what the cards are without ever seeing them, but gets it wrong on the try we see. His exposure to the machine at Oxford gives him some effect of seeing the future, when he goes through the time warp(force field)and possibly he starts mentally time traveling in the coming eps.
Going through the coordinates doesn’t affect anyone unless they have been near electromagnetic device(Des) or radiation(why ben couldn’t leave the island for chemo, because he knew he would start jumping in his mind to the past).
If you don’t go directly at those coordiantes then you go through a time warp(mental). Minkowsky and the other guy don’t go through and they start time traveling. The rocket goes through different coordiantes and the time is off on the two clocks. Sayid and the Pilot are fine and time is the same for them.
Happy for Des and Penny(almost shed a tear).
Best episode in a while. I would go through the time warp if it allowed me to see next weeks ep sooner, i dont care if i get an anyurism.
Comment 273, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
272: i think the cards stuff is DEFINITELY a memory thing and not about predicting them. i also wonder if he’s “seen those cards BEFORE”/been there before.
lostpedia says this: Back at the beach, Daniel and Charlotte are conducting a memory experiment with DHARMA playing cards. After being timed by Charlotte, Daniel can only remember two of three cards and, contrary to what Charlotte says, he feels he is making no progress.
i also wonder about his line to jack…paraphrasing: the time you’re fretting about your friends’ arrival is not the same amount of time they’ve been gone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqK8q2k1Ru4
Comment 274, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
i mentioned earlier that i think george has a sam toomey connection. sam used the numbers at a carnival, and george was momentarily “on a ferris wheel.”
anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqK8q2k1Ru4
Comment 275, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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I think it’s definitely 2004 in Penny’s time. In that phone call, one of the first things Des said was “You remembered!”, and if it wasn’t 2004 she would have said something in reference to it not being 2004, like “Remembered!? You said you’d call me 3 years ago you lying *$#^*#@”
Comment 276, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Hammer, I’m thinking about the point you made about Charlie and how this all relates to JD’s point (146). If Des had 2 timelines and he was expereincing both of them and they were competing (it was hard to say which once is present because he was living both when they occured), so if Charlie somehow during his death got the ’side-effect’ in such a way that Charlie in the present had died (one timeline) but Charlie in alternative timeline is still somewhat alive (maybe like a ghost). So Charlie’s ghost manifestation is a form the side-effect may take if you had two timelines but died in one of them? maybe the side-effect then inables him, despite his ‘death’, to appear in the world whereas the side-effect kills people who have two active timelines. I know this is confusing, don’t know if i managed to communicate this… what do you guys think? Could this also have something to do with wispers?
Comment 277, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Erin wrote:
That episode put be back on my “red herring” website I mentioned a few weeks ago. Now I have to consider it again. Besides, when I did the WHOIS on it, it said it was created in March 2006, while the specific Hanso page appears to have been created in 2005. It has to be related some kind of way, because some of the names on it we weren’t introduced on the show yet. Of course calling the number gave me a voicemail.
Anyway I type all that to say, that may be why Widmore was interested in the journal.
Comment 278, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
desmond’s been on the island 3 years, and penny’s been looking for him for 3 years, but we don’t KNOW that those are the same three years.
there was definitely 5 years from when she was pissed about him to when he did the boat race. i wonder what would make her change her tune…why she’d even wanna research the island in the first place.
Comment 279, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
ROFLOL. I truly laughed out LOUD. You are SO right!
Admittedly, my memory of past episodes is not as good as I’d like, so I put this out there as a supposition. There have been a number of times where the Losties and the Lockies have been separated and so, for example, most of the Lockies have not seen Daniel or Frank. (Is there a reason for this? Does one of the Lockies KNOW one of them?)
And in fact, there have been lots of times when the Losties have been divided into two (or more) groups when something significant has happened. We rarely see the Losties discussing what I deem to be important story elements (“Jack, did you SEE the sky turn strange colors and HEAR the high pitched SCREAMING sound?” or “Kate, you wouldn’t believe it but Locke actually BLEW up a submarine and ruined yet ANOTHER chance of getting of this island!” for example).
I wonder how these separations will play into future episodes and / or answer our questions. It won’t happen EXACTLY the same way, but I expect given how clever the producers are, we will see a sort of “Sixth Sense” twist that will ensure everyone will buy the complete series on DVD so that we can rewatch every episode to see them knowing the “new truth” that will be revealed at the end.
: ) P
Comment 280, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Been a lurker here for about 2 years. Finally have something to add. Charlie was Desmonds constant last season, only he found his constant in the past, when he ran into charlie on the street.
Comment 281, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
‘The Constant’ reminded me of some key aspects of Victor Frankl’s ‘Man Search for Meaning.’ One of the major ideas from Frankl was how love can sustain people through anything. In his case it was a concentration camp. Perhaps love is the Constant in “the Constant.” This is what will sustain Des through his time travel.
Comment 282, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
On the whole Charlie thing – if you recall, when the hatch blew up, he was there too, and his hearing was affected. So let’s say he had a touch of what Des had BEFORE his death….but we never saw those scenes. If you’ve ever read “The Time Traveler’s Wife” you’d see a similarity. In the book, the protagonist travels to the past and future…though he dies young – he still manages to visit his wife when she’s very old because he did so before he died. That would mean that Charlie could have visited Hurley at the mental institution (season 4’s opener) before he died because he saw the future and traveled to it. That would explain two things: 1. Why the other guy at the institution was able to see Charlie (meaning, he wasn’t a figure of Hurley’s imagination or a ghost), and it would explain why Charlie said, “I am dead, but I’m here too.” Just a thought.
Comment 283, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lostfan wrote:
Excellent observation and point!
Comment 284, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Some responses to posts above.
- Radiation that Desmond had was when he turned the key and blew up the hatch.
- Charlie is dead. Period. He’s not traveling anywhere in time. Whatever Hurley saw, it wasn’t Charlie time warping.
- Faraday has memory loss because of the radiation he was exposed to when not putting protection over his head when doing his experiments in the past
- Ben must already have knowledgeable ways to manipulate the islands time travel capability
– Oceanic 815 crashed on 9/24/2004. Sayid notices the calendar to be 12/24/2004 – exactly 3 months in the real world. On the island it’s day 10_? So there is definitely a time descrepancy.
Comment 285, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Mike L wrote:
On the island it’s day 94. Oceanic 815 crashed on 9/22. Based on that, there’s no discrepancy.
Comment 286, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So is everyone on the island time travelling? If everyone on the island is time travelling and trying to find a constant to keep them alive, that would explain many of the characters’ connections to each other in the past for example Jack and Desmond meeting on the stadium stairs. Although now we don’t know whether the “flashbacks” are really flashbacks or flashforwards.
Jack can walk now, but couldn’t walk in his “flashbacks.” It would make more sense that those “flashbacks” were really flashforwards to when he’s no longer able to walk. Just a thought.
Comment 287, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
any four word phase
Comment 192, posted 10 hours, 6 minutes ago – Quote and reply
got one:
bp3.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R…
the woman on the left, short white hair, looks like isabel (the other) http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Isabel
yes?
Comment 288, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Is the Dharma Initiative a time travel experiment lead by Daniel Faraday?
Comment 289, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
rdizzle wrote:
I don’t know if I agree that this is possible- whenever Desmond was traveling he was limited to where his physical body was located. When he mind-traveled to the freighter from the staircase for example he blacked out and his body stayed right where he was on the staircase. He always ended up back on the freighter wherever he was last- he obviously couldn’t function in both bodies at the same time. Daniel said he zoned out and had to carry him to the chair- the mind would not be capable of controlling the bodies in both places. So if they were dead and under the water, their mind would have to go back to the dead body eventually and they would never have actually BEEN on the island to see what it looked like or run around eating papayas and stuff.
Also- 2 things I noticed & don’t really get:
1. When Widmore weirdly (or rudely) left the faucet running doesn’t Desmond actually turn it off before he passes out? And then he wakes up and it’s been running for a long time?
2. If you watch the calendar part again there are random weeks that are left un-xed. It just looked really weird to me- I’m crap at finding screencaps did anyone else notice?
Also- in regards to if Daniel started feeling any effects BEFORE the island, I can’t stop wondering why exactly the others pushed him out of the helicopter first. It didn’t seem like he wanted them to do it & he definitely didn’t seem ready. He’s the least cohesive part of the group to me. Frank doesn’t really care for Miles & Miles is willing to shove Charlotte under the bus for 3.2 million it seems but they all treat Dan like he’s crazy & needs to have his mouth taped shut.
And I’m going to have to have a talk with my mom about the whole “goodnight monkey” haha…
Comment 290, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Im a throw this out there…………..
What if Charlie contacts Penny and tells her about desmond????????????
any one
Comment 291, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Last night’s episode was such a tremendous payoff. I’ve long thought Desmond was central to the story. Below is a post from 16 months ago…the “eternal now” concept makes so much sense. I’m not so sure Desmond is out of peril, though I think in the end the series will wrap with either their reunion, or with Desmond Hume giving up his life heroically to save many others.
Eric
Comment 101, posted 1 year, 4 months ago – Quote and reply
They are stuck in an eternal now. An electromagnetic tear in timespace.
Desmond didn’t crash the plane, his slip up moved them through the fold. Desmond’s lady has waited for this “signature” to find her one love.
Walt has some mastery over this. He was there before and appeared to the Others.
The mishap at the Swan with Locke…something else has come through now too.
A little heavy reading on elctromagnetism and the eternal now:
How finely can we divide our little 3-second lives? The shortest perceivable time division – sensory psychologists call it the fusion threshold – is between 2 and 30 milliseconds (ms) depending on sensory modality. Two sounds seem to fuse into one acoustic sensation if they are separated by less than 2 to 5 milliseconds. Two successive touches merge if they occur within about 10 milliseconds of one another, while flashes of light blur together if they are separated by less than about 20 to 30 milliseconds.6
Comment 292, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Matt 280: interesting, need to refresh my memory, but Charlie and Des definately were close. Very interesting
lostfan 282: didn’t read that book but i think there’s soemthing to the ‘time travel’ & Charlie, which is connected to side-effects
also, mrs hawkins tells Desmond that he’s not supposed to buy they ring, he’ll not propose to penny (why she’s mad at him), he will enter the contest and will end up on the island pushing buttons for 3 years, or else ‘all of us will be dead’ (who is she representing – the wisperers?). So she like Charlie i’d say can appear where needed to aide future developments.
This makes me belive that there are two forms of ‘time travel’ (don’t really like this term):
1) Desmond in the last episode – lives in two timelines, which compete, and will cause death unless they are realigned (once gain more like a time disorder than voluntary time travel)
2) ability to materialize where needed to aid future developments like Charlie and Mrs hawkins (no competing timelines, no deadly consequences to the one who travels/materializes)
hmmm……
Comment 293, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee:
I thought it was day 96 on the island and day 94 on the freighter, Christmas Eve, which would make the island roughly 2 days ahead.
Comment 294, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Mike L wrote:
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don’t know if i explained my point clearly, i’m not disputign that Charlie died. I am saying that Charlie might of had 2 timelines (not 2 Charlies) and he died in one of them, but the other one still allows him to materialize hence Hugo AND Hugo’s buddy both see Charlie, then Charlie evaporates because he’s dead and can only materialize temporarely (and unlike other dead people Charlie is the one who can materialize due to the side-effect which opened up this ability to materialize) but cannot live like others… so Charlie was there and was dead…
Comment 295, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur 289. All the days are X’d but 4 days in October are done with a highlighter type marker, or just plain yellow so it doesn’t readily show up. Can’t make anything out of the randomness of the other X colors.
http://bp2.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R8eBSgnj8kI/AAAAAAAAAH0/OOzacgn4Zms/s1600-h/screen-capture-11.jpg
Comment 296, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Matt in da Hatt: Excellent point about Charlie being Desmond’s constant earlier in the season! IT makes sense in relationship to the constant needed to exist in some form in both times.
Comment 297, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
vavila wrote:
But if everyone on the island is time travelling, Charlie may have been time travelling before he “died” and therefore was able to jump to the future to talk to Hurley.
Also, just thinking about Walt’s appearances on the island after he was taken away by the guys on the boat, he may have been getting too good at time travelling or something, he was always really wise for his age, so maybe they took him out of the experiment because maybe he was getting to close to being able to change the future? thoughts?
Were the guys on the boat who took Walt away the same guys who are on the ship right now with Des and Sayid?
Comment 298, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tasker wrote:
Nice catch!
SH5 = a man who has come “unstuck in time,” without any forewarning, finds himself suddenly transported to other points in time in his own past or future. …themes include the dangers of unchecked technology, the limitations of human action in a seemingly random and meaningless universe, and the need for people, adrift in an indifferent world, to treat one another with kindness and decency.
Tasha wrote:
Michele wrote:
I guess the “nose bleed” is new island “whispers”. Great Clues. Follow the blood drops to the next time distortion “lab rat”.
Comment 299, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
vavila wrote:
This is where Mrs. Hawkings universal course correction comment makes sense. I agree with you that this is less like time travel and more like a phasic displacement issue. Its almost like Desmond is phasing in and out of current, future, &past time that must be exisiting simultaneously. They all have to be at the same time in order for this to really work.
Comment 300, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Newbie here. But I was trying to remember everything we know about the freight and its occupants:
1. They want Ben;
2. They were chosen by the same guy that went to talk to Hurley in the mental hospital;
3. Naomi had a pic of Des and Penny.
4. They were forbidden to answer Penny’s calls.
Does the freight relate somehow to Penny’s father? Perhaps to Ben’s enemies, which Sayid was decimating in the FF?
Comment 301, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH: Billy Pilgrim, name of Desmond’s army mate.
Comment 302, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
I was going by the pop-up info in last night’s Eggtown episode, which said that episode was occuring on day 93. I believe once the copter reaches the freighter it’s the next day, or day 94.
Comment 303, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I was thinking that when Sayid got the communications fixed…he would have called some military backup..from somewhere (not Republican Guard) but somebody to come help..not just hand the phone over to Des to talk to his LOST girlfriend.
But I loved this episode…so cool to see the link between Hanso and Widmore. To see what is going on with Faraday and the time travel thing. I don’t think that is the only way into / off the island. I don’t know how the time travel really plays into the island’s powers other than it is time travel. But I believe it is obvious those people are really there and got there from a plane crash, submarine, etc.
GREAT episode!
Comment 304, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
Really? Good call Task.
Comment 305, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
jophelias wrote:
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i personally do not think everyone on the island is time travelling, i do belive as is discussed in earlier posts by others that ‘time travelling’ is due to radiation exposure coupled with deviation from the pathway, which causes ’side-effects’ (so i don’t know if anyone really time travells on the island)
i think that walt was a person of interest because of his special abilities – didn’t walt (before the island) caused a bird to crash into a window to get his stepfather’s attention?
Comment 306, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
But what if, actually, Desmond is CHARLIE”S constant….perhaps Desmond had some significance to Charlie that we don’t know about yet (in past time) so that he could be the constant in Island time.
I’m starting to believe this theory…
1. When Widmore weirdly (or rudely) left the faucet running doesn’t Desmond actually turn it off before he passes out? And then he wakes up and it’s been running for a long time?
2. If you watch the calendar part again there are random weeks that are left un-xed. It just looked really weird to me- I’m crap at finding screencaps did anyone else notice?
I rewatched the episode…Whitmore never actually turns off the water…he reaches to and then we have the flashforward.
Even if those weeks are x-ed in a different color…what does that mean? Were they in port or was it a different crew? Must be some significanc…
Comment 307, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Sorry about above…coudn’t quote and reply twice…sure you have noticed that part of my comments were from lostlaur* comment 289
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Tina wrote:
Haha.
Comment 309, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I have thought all along that this entire show is about Des. The characters are all created from Des’s mind. Again, this show is all about Des.
Comment 310, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I checked lost.wikia and here is what their timeline for the “yellow highlighter” days.
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October 27, 2004 – Day 36
“Numbers” – Hurley heads out into the jungle to find Rousseau, and is followed by Jack, Charlie and Sayid. Claire and Locke begin building an object. Hurley encounters Rousseau in the jungle and asks her about the numbers only to discover she wasn’t aware of their power, he retrieves a battery from her and reunites with his camp. Claire reveals that it is her birthday, and Locke reveals that the object they were building was a cradle for her child.
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October 28/29, 2004 – Day 37/38
Occurred Off-Screen
The events of this day have either not yet been revealed, or occurred off-screen due to either plot points yet to be revealed, or the fact that there were no relevant happenings.
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October 30, 2004 – Day 39
“Deus Ex Machina” – Locke and Boone construct a trebuchet to break the glass on the door of the hatch, but it fails. A piece of metal that shattered off became lodged in Locke’s leg, and he hadn’t noticed until Boone pointed it out. Later that night, Locke pokes himself with a safety pin and uses a torch on his foot and realizes he has no feeling in his legs.
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It is all pre-Des pre-hatch battle.
Maybe those two middle days are reserved for some freighter shenanigans 7 flashes.
Comment 311, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I disagr
Alex wrote:
I think the show is entirely about Desmond and Faraday.
Comment 312, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
nicunurse: i don’t know about the reverse, but maybe. If radiation is the key to this, Charlie definitely experienced some of it when the hatch imploded.
Comment 313, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone remember that the conversation that Desmond has with Penny at the end of the show was actually a conversation that they had in a prior episode? My wife said that she rememberd Penny and Des having the same conversation in a prior show. Thoughts?
Comment 314, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The doctor on the boat didn’t just say “was your friend (Desmond) exposed to radiation” he also asked if he was exposed to high levels of electromagnitism recently.
If you remember, in Season II, Des told some of the Lost survivors that he thinks he caused their plane to crrash because of him letting the countdown in the hatch go so long before he turned the key, causing an overwhelming electromagnetic field that reaped havoc with flight 815 instruments, causing it to crash (94 days ago – Des exposed to strong electromagnetic field).
Then when Locke didn’t press the button at all in the hatch, causing that huge surge of electromagnetic energy (Desmond again, this time being thrown from the hatch when it blew up), it was after then that Des started to see the future where Charlie would die, and kept trying to prevent it from happening.
Comment 315, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Alex wrote:
No I don’t remember that. Maybe your wife has been doing some time travelling of her own :)
Comment 316, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
jophelias wrote:
You are prob right. But who are all of the other characters? Are they in a different dimension or are they figments of Des and Daniels imagination?
Comment 317, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
IMO we need to stop calling what is happening time travel which implies a physical ability to go between different times. This is not what is happening. What does seem to be happening is that the conscience can go back to any point where the person was (or will be?) with the knowledge the person has currently. Then, when the conscience jumps back to the present, there is a “new” past that the person has from that point on.Really hard to explain this.
An example, Daniel found that comment about Dez being his constant in his journal at the end of the episode (after Dez’s conscience went back). If he had looked through his journal in the beginning of the episode, it would not have been there, because Dez had not gone to him yet.
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jophelias wrote:
LOL. Very funny. Had to text the wife to tell her what you said. However, a few people in my office do recall that conversation. Either way, when this is all done, I think we are all going to have to watch all of the episodes again. Damn this show is insane
Comment 319, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I agree with Hurley. I think his explaination is a pretty good one. I kinda think Daniel used Desmond so that he would become his constant. He obviously has more knowledge of what’s going on with the “bubble” than any of the Losties. There was really no other reason I can think of for Daniel to tell him to find his past self. He told Desomnd those numbers so that the past Daniel would listen to him. And that solved his equation. The fact that he had the answer to the equation and the experiment in the present shows that Desmond and Daniel were successful in meeting in 1996. And when Daniel was looking in the notebook at the end and saw his note, he remembered meeting Desmond in the past. It all came back to him then…
And don’t throw rocks at me but this epi wasn’t one of my favs. It reminded me of the epi when Nikki and Paolo died. It almost felt like a self-contained episode. Don’t get me wrong, I did enjoy it. And I do know things will come up again and it did bring up the time issues. I don’t know…
Comment 320, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
If we go with the theory that lots of people are time traveling, then it would make sense that “taller Walt” visited Locke to tell him what he needed to do when he was shot. It would be Walt visiting from the future. It would also give the Charlie scene some credence, and would also explain other oddities – like Jack’s father showing up on the island, polar bears coming from maybe the ice age and even way back in Season 2 – when suddenly Libby was in a Hurley flashback when she wasn’t in there to begin with. We could find a lot more examples if we tried.
Comment 321, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
Have you seen the documentary “What the Bleep Do We Know?” It’s all about quantum physics and our perception of reality. Basically talks about how our concept of time being linear (past, present, future) is wrong and that it’s more productive to think about time as cyclical/overlapping. In other words, everything we think has happened in the “past” and that will happen in the “future” is actually happening now we just don’t see it because of our brain’s inability to perceive it.
So with this in mind, maybe by being exposed to the right amount of radiation and straying from the path or the current dimension is causing the mind to tap into these alternate, overlapping realities. Thus explaining the lack of “physical” time travel.
Comment 322, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
What happens when the 1996 Desmond eventually becomes 2004 Desmond? Does he head back to 1996 again? and then again? and then again?? That is the very confusing part about time travel; what happens when the past catches up with what was then the future? As Desmond walks away from Penny’s apartment at the end of the scene when she gave him her number, he looks back up at her window and then walks away; presumably back to his life in the British Army. So he goes on with his life as if nothing has happened? How much of the future does Des remember when he comes to in 1996? Does he just remember the flashback, or does he remember everything that he did and thought during the flashback? Somebody please help me with these Time Travel questions….
Comment 323, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
you just confused me more than i was before…thanks. :)
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Also I have a comment about the Bubble theory and the fact that the helicopter took 18 hours to fly through it- I don’t see how that could be, Frank said the chopper only had a limited amount of fuel available. I doubt even a chopper full of fuel could fly that long.
Comment 325, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
You’re thinking about linear time, which can’t be the case if any of the what’s happening in the show is to be believed. Time exists in multiplicity and simultaneously. The present and past are happening and simultaneously which is why the consciousness can phase in and out of those periods, notice that the body doesn’t necessarily phase, but simply the mind. As long as time isn’t linear, then you avoid the grandfather paradox, i.e. if a man goes back in time and kills his grandfather, does he kill himself as well? It also works in the idea of the universe course correcting, so that things that “can’t” happen, like you killing your granfather in the past making it impossible for you to be born and travel back to kill him, impossible.
Comment 326, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Oh, one more thing Deangoodes, A result of the pahsing is memory deterioration which is why it appears that Desmond & Daniel can’t remember all the different events and experiences of the time phasing. The mind must be too fragile to allow all that information & experience to exist together so it compartmentalizes or “forgets” in order to avoid imminent implosion which I think is what happened to Minikowski.
Comment 327, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
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Exactly. This show is bringing the reality of non-linear time to mainstream thought.
Comment 328, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
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I agree. Time is not linear in this case. In this sense, there is no 1996 Desmond vs. 2004 Desmond, there is only Desmond. So the Desmond from 96 will not catch up to the Desmond from 2004.
Comment 329, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
It’s time phasing, not time travel that’s happening, right?
Comment 330, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
you guys are awesome. i keep hitting REFRESH every 5 minutes!
alex…not sure if we’ve heard the conversation before, but i DID notice that it seemed like the last few lines of their conversation were said in unison.
like they were both saying the same thing.
Comment 331, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Tina wrote:
But at the end of the ep Des remembers everything, at least that’s the way I took it. He said hello to Sayid and Sayid asked him if he was allright now. Des said yes. His ‘constant’ helped him make everything right.
There should be some things we can figure out now since we know this is about time/conscience travel. Jack had Des appear to him in one of his flashbacks. Was that the real Des or the conscience Des? Real Jack or conscience Jack? This is all very confusing. My head is starting to hurt.
Comment 332, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
this episode reminded me of a book called Slaughterhouse Five.
Comment 333, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Joel–comment 262–The second best line hast to be when Penny finally answers Des’s call at the end and says something like, “Desmond,…. is it really you?” You could feel the despair of her years of searching for him become a sort of euphoria and a big, dark cloud was lifted off of her shoulders, and off of his too. What a terrific moment that was.
Comment 334, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
jophelias wrote:
That’s what I’m calling it to avoid “travel” because D&C already said there is no time travel in the show, which makes sense if time exists, well, all the time and one just phases in and out of specific instances.
Comment 335, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
imaginary wrote:
Yeah, that was mentioned earlier (above). Someone also mentioned that Des’ army mate was named Billy Pilgrim.
Comment 336, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
In answer to the question of David Hume’s significance, it is worth pointing out that both Hume (Desmond’s last name) and John Locke were philosophers with different takes on the nature of knowledge. While Locke argued that we rely upon reason to determine our knowledge and understanding of our world, Hume pointed out that what we call “reason” is still a product of our passions. Basically, Locke had faith in the ability of human reason, while Hume was considered a skeptic.
Originally, Locke and Jack were at odds, and I loved the faith vs. reason dichotomy they represented. Once Desmond was introduced to the story, however, I noted his last name immediately. Though we have not seen Locke and Desmond pitted against one another to the same degree, I think their names are entirely too deliberate to overlook. Of course, there was the incident with blowing up the hatch, where Locke and Desmond disagreed over whether or not to stop pushing the button, and this conflict had rather significant results.
Considering all of the philosophical, scientific, and anthropological issues involved in the show, it is interesting that two of the main characters are named after famous philosophers who attempted to explain their versions of human knowledge and reality. All the while, we viewers continue to analyze the reality of the experiences we see on the show. Who are the “good” guys? Who are the “bad” guys? Upon what grounds can the characters formulate any real knowledge? Their world is a shaky one, just as ours is.
I certainly hope Desmond is central to the overall plot. I have never been a big fan of Locke. While I sympathize with his tragic past, I have always questioned his dedication to his particular faith in the island and his importance. He has his abilities, but he also has major ego issues. His recent dictatorship with no clear direction only makes me continue to doubt him. I don’t blame Jack for wanting to pull the trigger on him. Locke is motivated by his desire to be important, while I think both Jack and Desmond are motivated by their desire to be honorable men. Of course, their motivations are just as selfish when you begin to break them down. We are all motivated by our particular passions, and our realities are thereby shaped accordingly. I am pretty certain that is David Hume’s stand in the first place.
As far as Jack’s name is concerned (Shepherd), his biblical significance has already been noted. “He walks among us though he is not one of us.” He is the savior, and I have to admit that I love the ironic spin that the so-called savior later regrets his good deed.
Jack, Locke, and Desmond are all pivotal characters. If any of them disappear anytime soon, I will be concerned.
Comment 337, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Sawyer’s Evil Twin wrote:
I’m not sure, you may be right. It seems a bit mushy to me. ;)
Comment 338, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Linear time, comments by Miraks and Jophelias–If that is the case they shouldn’t have shown Desmond walking away from Penny’s apartment as if he was going to go on with his life from that point, should they have?
Comment 339, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I just wanted to say that last nights episode, which I just watched on the website because I missed it, has been my favorite one yet!! Brilliant writing, brilliant story arc, I loved everything about it! I cried during Desmond and Penny’s conversation. I hope that Desmond makes it out of this ordeal and they find each other in the end.
Comment 340, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Ok I just noticed something in the Lost eastereggs, a screencap of Eko and Yemi’s photo, Im might be mistaken but I believe that to be the same people in the photos of the house miles was “ghostbusting” at
Can some one arrange a screencao comparison??????????????????
Comment 341, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
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I’m not sure why Des walking away from Penny is so significant and keeps being brought up. But I may be missing something. We don’t know yet what happens after that, and I’m not convinced that Des suddenly remembered everything after he was able to contact Penny on the phone with Sayid. We’ll have to wait till next week.
Comment 342, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Uzuri wrote:
Comment 343, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
Can you explain that a little more, I mean its hard to portay the pahsing of consciousness in TV land I imagine.
Comment 344, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS: I think its both/and. If time is nonlinear then it can be both changed and unchanging. Its all happening together. I think this is what Mrs. Hawking was getting at when she said the universe course corrects. It must course correct if its all happening together because its all already happened, not happened yet and will eventually happen.
Comment 345, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Comment 346, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
johnny_lost: it’s not eko. i posted screen caps in the blog on that episode. there are also some on lostpedia.com
Comment 347, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Here’s a thought that hasn’t been addressed yet: There seemed to be a lot of buyers for the Black Rock chronicles at the auction house. Mr Widmore ultimately won the item, but I wonder if any of the other bidders were connected to the island as well??..
Comment 348, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
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Possibly, but I don’t remember recognizing any of their faces and wouldn’t remember them if they were to appear later. The auction was in 1996, right?
Comment 349, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
shellonius funk
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johnny_lost: it’s not eko. i posted screen caps in the blog on that episode. there are also some on lostpedia.com
Thanks Shellonius it was a shot in the dark , I know it was way off topic
Comment 350, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Wow! Dan has been my fav new character this season since we first met him. I thought that he had forgotten about meeting Desmond because of his memory problem, but talking on the phone to him triggered the memory, and that is why he was going thru is journal at the end.
About who left the door open for the guys on the ship:
I had the impression that it was Frank. He seemed very sincere when he told Sayid that he was trying to help, and he had been there minutes before, already breaking protocal by bringing the phone to Desmond. I’m sure he could have left it open on his way out.
Can someone explain–
Didn’t Walt and Michael leave the island like a month ago island time? How in the world would they be found and be aboard a ship that arrived days ago?
Comment 351, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
i don’t know if any of the auction folks were supposed to be significant. i DO think that widmore WANTED to have desmond in the race, and that makes me think of libby:
she gave him the boat in the cafe, and the whole thing
had that familiar sayid/elsa/cafe set-up feeling to it.
i think there’s definitely more of a story with her, but i just wonder if there’s any way she could have actually been on the plane by accident or whatever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqK8q2k1Ru4
Comment 352, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
interesting observation from a Lost article: the item up for bid after the Black Rock journal was the Charles Dickens book “Our Mutual Friend” which is the same book that Des brings on board his boat and which he claims will be the very last thing that he reads…
Comment 353, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
adriennez wrote:
Polar bears don’t live in Antarctica, they live in the arctic (North Pole).
Comment 354, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
froggirl wrote:
I don’t think that he had met Desmond yet in the begining of the episode because Dez had not gone “back” to 96 yet. As I said earlier, I believe that the entry in the journal would only appear after Desmond goes to 96.
froggirl wrote:
I’m not sure the boat only arrived days ago. They could have been out there trying to find whatever “portal” leads to the island for longer then that.
Comment 355, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Could Desmond being quarantined in the hatch have anything to do with the universal cause correction theory…like his power to time phase could somehow change the course of the universe? Or was he just in the hatch hitting the button to keep the magnetic fields (alternate dimensions?) in line so no-one could cross over and get the “sickness”?
Could the injections the doctor was giving Minkowski on the boat be the same injections that Desmond was taking when he was in the hatch?
When Desmond began his trip around the world, did he already know about the island from Hildmore?
Comment 356, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Widmore, not Hildmore
Comment 357, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
remember when ben said he put a pacemaker in the rabit to scare sawyer? and then he died in front of sawyer but later ben showed him the rabbit was alive and well. Maybe the rabit was time traveling?
Comment 358, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lostfan wrote:
I don’t know if the theory that lots of folks are having their conscience phasing in and out of time. It seems the people have to have a high exposure to radiation or electro-magnetism AND go through the “bubble” to feel the effects the way Des does.
Comment 359, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
A few thoughts:
1. To make the confusing time thing even more confusing… The calendar on the freighter boat is correct. It is December 24, 2004.
Desmond confirms this by calling Penny on the exact day he said he would. According to dialog and people who keep track of such things, it is December 26th on the island. So the island is two days ahead of the freighter. Confusing. However, if time is faster on the island, that may explain why people heal quicker?
2. By the logic of Daniel wanting Desmond to be his constant couldn’t it have been as easy for Daniel to be Desmonds. After they meet in the past and talk in the present Desmond could consider Daniel a constant, no? He probably could have saved himself the drama of seeing Penny.
3. Fun Fact: The guy who plays Daniel was in a movie called “The Million Dollar Hotel”. In the movie, he is in love with a woman named Eloise. Eloise was his rat in the episode of Lost. Those writers really think about everything.
Comment 360, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
drock wrote:
How do you figure it’s the 26th on the island?
Comment 361, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hey guys… sorry it took me so long to get here! Today is EOM and closing.. and ablgh.. anyways..
SO.. yea… totally cried my eyes out the last 15min! I actually had friends that called to see if I was crying. I’m such a girl! Ugh!
Okay… so.. that out of the way. Let me go read some posts and then I’ll give my ideas.
Comment 362, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Wouldn’t the heading change with where they are on the island?
Comment 363, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
did I cry last night after that phone exchange between penny and des? I may have some serious issues.
point being I gots da good stuff
SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT
penny’s dad is ben’s arch-enemy
BOOM you’s gots served.
Think about it. The journal from the wreaked ship. Oxford dudes journal. Its all in the sheets.
Comment 364, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
did anyone else think of adam & eve lastnight? the writers said that they would be the proof that they had the ending in mind all along.
i’m starting to think that calendar was in there just to mess with us. it could very well be island time/a way to keep track of the survivors. and it was where they keep the sick/crazies…
Comment 365, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So…Brotha Desmond joining the monastery, running at the stadium where he bumps into Jack, and taking that photo with Penny…this was all pre-1996?
Thanks to the previous blogger – I now understand that perhaps the reason why the water was left running was to demonstrate how much time lapsed between Desmond’s blackout.
To add to the previous post about the eerie music before showing Minkowski – I was really freaking out because it sounded like the music they played when Hurley and Locke went to the cabin. I screamed in those episodes!
p.s. I loved Sayid’s “Give me a minute” line. I totally laughed out loud.
Comment 366, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
drock wrote:
Des couldn’t use Daniel as a Constant, he was just getting explained that theory by Daniel in 1996. He then gets the idea to call Penny. If he could easily use Desmond, he’d just sit down and say I’m using you as my constant. Daniel doesn’t mean anything to him at that point.
Froggirl 350 I do believe Daniel had forgotten about meeting Desmond, due to his radiation exposure (I think nickunurse referenced how it effects memory) but as far as the show goes, Daniel says to Desmond, “if you are meeting me in the future I should remember you, this here right now” (paraphrased), then Desmond says, “maybe you just forgot,” Daniel sarcastically says, “yeah right, how would that happen?”
Sounds like in 1996 he’s assumes he remembers everything, however at some point he realizes he may not remember, and then writes it in his notebook. Not necessarily to trigger his Constant, but as a precautionary measure.
Comment 367, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Wish I Were Lost said, “Best episode in a while. I would go through the time warp if it allowed me to see next weeks ep sooner, i dont care if i get an anyurism.”
Dude! You really need to join the LAA group! Too funny ;-)
Comment 368, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Okay my first post…so I have been reading all the posts…so great I have learned so much…so I was thinking in the Economist episode…what if the person Sayid was assigned to kill was Widmore …and when Ben says to Sayid…don’t you want to save/help your friends he is refering to the losties still stuck on the island because of the various side effects caused by leaving (for certain characters)…meaning they don’t/can’t leave because of that…
Also once you establish a constant…Desmond with Penny and Daniel with Desmond…maybe st that point you can control (your) timetravel instead of being a helpless victim…
Comment 369, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
mlc wrote:
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Well we do know that Des has been in prison. So if he went AWOL which is what I was guessing…this would lead to him going to prison.
Comment 370, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rikki wrote:
Why are you so sure Swayer is going to die…he cant…neither can Sayid…there too beautiful…if anyone needs to go is Jack…why is he always so controlling and thinks he knows what’s best for everyone…its annoying
Comment 371, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
People say that Walt kills the bird…maybe Walt time travels and knew that the bird was going to fly into the glass. Wasn’t he drawing the scene before it happened? He may have known his mom was going to die as well.
Comment 372, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Who would Aaron’s constant be? Kate?? Claire may have died because she had no one?? Does anyone think Jack and Claire will ever find out they are half sibs?
Comment 373, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
shellonius funk wrote:
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Also… has anyone seen that movie OH CRAP I just forgot the name. Maybe I have the faraday disease….UGH!
No, its a movie from like well…04.. that pretty much played backwards. It starred Guy Pierce and Carrie Ann Moss. The had no short term memory because of a traumatic incident. So he tattood everything he needed to remember on himself so he knew that he could trust it.
I think what Faraday is dealing with is like that. He can remember the past but not anything current (or atleast not everything).
I dont believe that Faraday is experiencing what Des is at all..and I dont believe that what his notebook said at the ending was to refer to that..
I think that the whole point of that final shot was a closure of sorts….. once faraday saw that in his notebook he was assured that Des had reached him in the past. Up until that point… he had talked to des on the phone… told him what to do… but hadn’t spoken to him again so he didn’t know if it had actually worked. When he saw that… which he had obviously written in the past… he knew it had.
Sorry if thats kind of all over the place and filled with typos but I’m walking out the door from work.
Comment 375, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
HEY YOU GUYS WHAT DO YOU THINK THE X’S ON THE CALENDER REPRESENT?
ALSO WHY WERE THE PEOPLE ON THE BOAT SO ANGRY THAT FRANK BROUGHT PEOPLE ON THE BOAT?????
Comment 376, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The Desmond-Minkowski phenomena is Future Sight, not Time Travel.
Comment 377, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Michael is on the boat because if you look at the credits each week, the actors who plays him is in the credits, which means he’s going to be appearing this season. And that’s the logical choice of Ben’s spy.
Also, did any of you see that Hanso film with the rabbits where they scream “DON’T LET THEM SEE EACH OTHER!”?
Now we know why.
Comment 378, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Ok. I have to be honest and say I couldn’t get through reading all of the comments. There are so many! Sheesh. But I feel the same about the “cheese” factor. I did love the scene where Desmond calls Penny and she finally picks up. I was getting a little misty-eyed. I know..I know..but I couldn’t help it. It was lovely. HOWEVER…if it does begin to get too cheesy with time travel aspects, I don’t know how LOST and I can continue our relationship.
I do wish to leave my theory after the show last night. Obviously now we know several people who have made it off the island and back to the “real world” (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayid, Ben, Aaron, Desmond). I think they may want to go back to the island, but CAN’T, simply because they can’t time travel like Desmond can. And the other Losties on the beach CAN’T get off the island because they time travel too much and have brain aneurysms and can’t make it too far before dying. And I think they are connected because of their exposure to radiation. REMEMBER: Hurley, Sawyer, Kate and Jack were on the dock with the Others and Ben when the Hatch exploded with Desmond in it. I know this does not explain Aaron, but maybe it’s because he was a teeny baby. I don’t know. I’m still trying to investigate the “Michael Faraday” connection. As I’m sure you all know, Michael Faraday was a British physicist and chemist, best known for his discoveries of electromagnetic induction and of the laws of electrolysis.
Just my thoughts…
Comment 379, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Julie wrote:
You are thinking of Memento and I believe it was discussed in another section of posts. You should look into it. Sounds like it could maybe lead somewhere. :)
Comment 380, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So it seems to me that Dan did know Desmond when he got on the island. The podcast today said the sort of “time travel” (simplicities sake) is non paradoxical. Therefore Desmond and Dan both knew each other when they got on the island. Sort of. Dan figured out his radiation machine because he sends Desmond with the info from the future. The origin of this info I cannot account for. You cannot change the past, but you can causally interact with it. meaning.
I’ll use back to the future as an antithesis. When Marty returns to 1985 in the first film, there are changes. Biff is waxing Marty’s car, they have a nice truck, his brother doesn’t work fast food, etc. If Marty had truly gone back in time, the only way for it to make sense is that these changes would have already occurred before he went back in time. Otherwise it is simply an alternate time line like we see in part 2, when Biff gets the almanac, and it should be corrected.
My point is, Desmond’s consciousness on the freighter was his 1996 self, and he would have experienced feeling as if he were on a boat, visiting Dan, etc. MY explanation for them acting as if they had never met on the island: How crazy would the rest of them think they were?
Desmond is still probably not sure whether what happened to him in 1996 in military camp was real or not. Dan understands the need to introduce the time issues with the island slowly to the islanders.
Dan has the correct info when he arrives on the island because it was determined that desmond would bring it to him from the frieghter. Those familiar with determinism and compatiblism will understand this, if not, look them up on a philosophy site.
Comment 381, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Great theory, Charlie is only dead on the island, not in the future. He figured out the time swap conscious thing before he drowned!
Comment 382, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Wow great ideas everybody! Finally got through all the posts and loved it!
I have a few thoughts to add to what I’ve read:
Daniel may have picked Desmond as his constant because Des is the only thing in his future that he can be absolutely sure will be there (because Des told him he knows him from the future, and gives him info/message from his future self). I think he tries the experiments on himself that he did with Eloise. He said in his note “if anything goes wrong, Desmond Humes will be my constant”. This to me is strong evidence that he did the experiments on himself or why else would he NEED a constant?
Desmonds “time travel” seemed different from before in that this time it seemed that rather than travel back in time from his present self, he seemed to travel forward in time from his past self. He didn’t know the people around him (his past self hadn’t met them yet). Don’t know what this would mean, just an observation.
When Desmond “got his constant”, his nose appeared to stop bleeding. He became calm and said he was OK now, and he seemed to know Sayeed. Now that Daniel also has his constant (Desmond) he seemed more together too, but we will have to wait to verify that.
I believe that “the constants” have made a difference and that neither of them will therefore die (as did Minkowski and Brandon – and Eloise).
The whole Walt “time traveling/phasing/shifting whatever” idea is fascinating. Perhaps rather than “cause” certain events to happen, he is simply aware of the outcome ahead of time, from having already “been there”. ie: he “saw” a bird fly into the window and die, then found a picture of the bird in a book and tried to show it to his stepfather, who didn’t look until after the event happened (bird died) and we all THOUGHT Walt made it happen.
Keep the good ideas flowing, I can’t get enough! Thanks everybody!
Comment 383, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
This might be a stretch – but could Minkowski have died because Desmond changed both of their courses and therefore caused Minkowski to lose his ‘constant’? It just seems like the time frame would fit since Minkowski died shortly after Desmond changed his own history by going to Penny.
Comment 384, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
LIFT UP
YOUR EYES
AND LOOK NORTH
JOHN 3:05
-Further Instructions-
Comment 385, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
More fuel for the fire: I agree that there is probably no actual travel thru time – per the producers and half the folks here. The term that fits best is “Astral Projection”. It was researched some in the 50’s and 60’s, but became quite a phenomena in the 70’s, right around the time when the DeGroots and Dharma were stepping things up.
Astral Projection – The partial or complete separation of the *Astral Body* from the physical body, and visiting another locality, near or far. This normally occurs in sleep – though, as a general rule, one does not recall the experience on waking. The adept can command their astral body to go any place they desire in order to make observations and investigations, and acquire essential information. Vivid dreams are sometimes the result of these travel episodes.
*Astral Body* – A replica of the physical body, but more subtle and tenuous. It penetrates every nerve, fibre and cell of the physical organism and is constantly in a supersensitive state of oscillation and pulsation. The psychic faculty within the astral body is impressionable to extra-sensory vibrations. The astrological concept is that of a magnetic field wherein the individual does most of his thinking, and from which they draw impressions by way of interpreting changes in the field due to cosmic radiation.
Comment 386, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I think Desmond is Jack’s constant. I also think that when Jack keeps flying (Finale Season 3) hoping to get back on the island, it’s not necessarly via crashing, perhaps he is returning there in his mind, like “Somewhere In Time” theories mentioned above.
Comment 387, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I don’t know DocH, Desmond is not so much going to another PLACE as another TIME. He is going back and forth to HIMSELF, in a physical body, not to a metaphysical or astral body. I believe him to be REALLY “there” when he “travels/shifts/phases”.
Comment 388, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
TheoryNut wrote:
I’m not convinced that EVERYBODY is time traveling/shifting or that everybody therefore NEEDS a constant.
Comment 389, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I’m leaning towards Walt being Michaels dad. I know it sounds nuts but it fits with all the time travel stuff. It’s a bit creepy though. Also, Naiomi was very dark skinned. So seems obvious that Michael or Walt it is her father. Same goes for Said’s lady. Haven’t worked out what relation Abbadon is though. Could be anything.
Does anybody wonder who was in the coffin? Or is that old news?
Comment 390, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
I don’t know Rita – re: Astral Projection.
The Institute of Psychophysical Research in London, at Oxford University (Daniel’s school) is one of the premiere (top 3) institutions to advance understanding of the working of the human mind by scientific research, in this field.
(there may be a screen cap out there that shows which department Daniel is in.-?)
Comment 391, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
First time online searching for lost discussion due to last nights episode – the theory/count about the Oceanic 6 is pretty insightful.
I just had to mention that one of my issues leading up to this episode was the Kate/Aaron timeline — it didn’t seem reasonable that the world would believe she had a baby, but with the time disruption between the island and the “real world” it at least opens a possible explanation.
Comment 392, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
That’s interesting because I was starting to wonder if Jack’s issue later on is his lack of a constant and inability to make Kate his constant. KAte seems to be fine- maybe because she’s got Aaron as her constant. Hurley is just nuts, but that’s not new.
I really like the notion of a time travelling conscious. I was worried it would get kooky with a more traditional concept of time travel where Desmond would have looked as he does today back in 1996. That would have been annoying.
The other thought is that maybe the future Jack’s conscious is going back to the island and forth to the future. The problem is that he doesn’t have a constant from the island and his future self. Maybe in the end he finds his constant in Aaron and reconciles in the end realizing at that point he is his uncle.
great episode!
Comment 393, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
O M G!
YOU GUYS HAVE TO WATCH THE AUCTION SCENE LIKE TEN TIMES! BEN IS THERE! THE SCENE PANES EVERYONE, THE GUY WITH THE PONY TAIL IS SITTING BEHIND THE BLONDE LADY, BEN IS SITTING BEHIND THE SHORT GRAY HAIRED LADY. WHEN THE SCENE PANES FROM BEHIND HE DISAPPERS! THE PONY TAIL GUY IS SITTING CATY CORNER TO THE BLONDE. THE LADY IN THE SECOND ROW ON THE LEFT KINDA DOES LOOK LIKE A OLD ANA LUCIA, IT’S HARD TO TELL, BUT HER LIPS ARE PURSED. CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG, JUST KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BACK OF THE OLD LADY, AND (BEN) IS THERE AND NOT THERE!
Comment 394, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
WHEN DESMOND COMES IN, BEN IS GONE!
Comment 395, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Amarie wrote:
Comment 396, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
This poster isn’t the only offender, but I’ve finally had enough–the word is “conscious” — as in “a state of conscious.” Your conscience is the thing that keeps you from stealing and lying.
Comment 397, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
ctkmike wrote:
i took another look and it didn’t appear to me that the person with the binoculars was michael…the person did not appear to be african-american.
Comment 398, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Love’s Labour Lost wrote:
And -’s are used in math, as in subtracting two numbers.
Comment 399, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Could it be that almost everyone could have a constant since they crossed paths at one time or another?
Comment 400, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
First of all, a hyphen is a perfectly acceptable grammatical tool. Secondly, “apostrophe s” represents a contraction, not a plural.
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Hammer wrote:
Comment 402, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Love’s Labour Lost wrote:
Thanks for all the grammer lessons. Do you want to discuss any of my theories or just complain?
Comment 403, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
nyuk-nyuk-nyuk
Hammer – you are fun.
You said grammer (like hammer), instead of grammar.
Feed me theories!
Comment 404, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I struggling with future time travel/phasing. We haven’t seen any one go to the future have we? Just from the present to the past and back right? Faraday said you can’t change the future, but he talking to someone who had traveled to the past. It seems you can change the past. Desmond talked Penny into giving him the number, which didn’t happen before. And Faraday told Dez to get on a train and go him, etc. which didn’t happen before.
Comment 405, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
LOL, I hope triple L doesn’t get bent out of shape over it. It’s my warped sense of humor. It’s a pet peave of mine to get corrected on a blog, it’s not like you don’t understand my points, right?
Comment 406, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH (or anyone else) do you think that talking about the whispers would spoilerish?
Comment 407, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Once again, I’m late to post. I’ve gone through most of the comments, but may have missed something. Here are my thoughts:
1. For Daniel, well, something obviously DOES go wrong – but it is yet to happen. I think the message in his notebook is from a future self of his who remains in touch with Desmond and who had ‘oscillated’ to some point in our Daniels’ past, and had left this clue for Daniel to eventually find. Whatever it is that went wrong is also the thing that had him so disturbed when he was watching TV when Oceanic 815 was ‘found’.
2. It also seems that the time-phasing creates a ‘memory scar’ or trace that reality then heals together, which would somehow explain why after the periods in which the flashes/phases occur – recollection of the events involved would dim away and disappear. This might explain why present Daniel doesn’t recall meeting Desmond before.
3. The Black Rock’s ledger was an interesting link, yeah – and seems to imply that Widmore & Abbadon are on the same side – assuming there are two sides to this struggle, which I’m still likely to believe. If not, then Widmore is a third party. More likely, Abbadon is an agent for Widmore, and they have been searching for this Island for years. This implies however, that Widemore knew OF the Island’s existence before 1996. Something about that smells of Ben, but I can’t tell how exactly.
4. The bearing Ben gave to Michael is not the same one Daniel gave to Frank. It’s therefore possible that it’s not so much a certain bearing – but that there’s an ‘area’ or gateway that you have to pass through.
5. The only explanation I have for how something are NOT slowed down and some are would be the frequency of the thing. Solid matter, being of lowest frequency, would take the most time to get through the time-bubble or field, whereas, much higher frequenies, such as the signal between the phones, would take much less time.
Otherwise, ungh.
Waiting for the next episode.
Comment 408, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
TheoryNut wrote:
We would need a screencap to be positive, but I do not think that is Ben. At 30:44 you get another angle of the guy sitting behind the blonde (right before Desmond enters) and it is definitely not Ben. (Assuming you are talking about the man in the blue shirt).
Comment 409, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Well, as usual – if it’s information that is both factual (canonical) and given before it’s released officially, then yes – it would be a spoiler. But speculation-wise, I don’t think anything is spoiler-ish?
I was actually re-thinking the whispers tonight, in relation to them being fragments/voices, etc – bouncing back and forth in time. It’s a loose explanation, but starting to make more sense…
Comment 410, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Freckles wrote:
Brilliant notion.
Not quite sure that everybody has a SINGLE constant – but the idea that people and connections can serve as a constant or anchor will certainly help explain why our Losties have crossed paths so many times before. Those moments in the past may serve as entry points for time-phasing Losties to help each other out.
Wow. That would actually be quite trippy.
Comment 411, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Omar Kamel wrote:
Yes, I really think that they are hints about the CONCIOUS travel/phasing. But since they are in the actual episodes, do we get liscense?
Comment 412, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
I’m tending to agree with Rita(again) on this issue. 1) Des recalls the experience upon waking, but 2) and I think more important, is that he is not the least bit in control of the conscious phasing.
Comment 413, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
OK. Lots of great ideas. Instead of astral projection, what about teleportation? Teleportation is known in Tibetan Buddhism….as is Dharma….
Comment 414, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Have you ever wondered if the reason that this show is called LOST is because of all the time we spend watching, thinking about, and analyzing it is LOST. We can’t get this time back. It’s lost.
We could be doing something productive, but no, here we are all at our computers reading the thoughts of strangers about a pretend group of people while we neglect the real people around us.
Are we going to be on our death beds wondering, “Wow, I wish I would have spent more time blogging about Lost.”
Just a thought.
Comment 415, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Teleportation and the Vile Vortices……somehow one has something to do with the other.
Comment 416, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Omar Kamel wrote:
There could be bearings for air (305) and sea (325). My only issue with that is it seems that Freightors should be able to go in there since they have a bearing and know the gateway, but they do not because of…?
So that may be why they need Ben, because they know they are not quite right and can’t risk entry because of the side effects, that have been written about in the Black Rock journal (speculation) when the Black Rock did not enter on the exact bearings.
Comment 417, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Dear Ms. Downer: Learning and thinking–which is something LOST and this blog help me do–is nothing I would ever regret. LOST is a brilliant show and those of us who enjoy enriching our lives with thoughts of science and philosophy are not “losing” anything. Maybe your comments would be better served on The American Idol blog.
Comment 418, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hello Lost Friends, I just wanted to say that there is a lot of good stuff on that sheet from Faradays notebook. The sheet with all the globes/bubbles (could the globes be the vile vortices ?) with lines running between them with names like Real Time, Space Time, etc. If you look up Spacetime…..you will learn about Hermann MINKOWSKI one of Einsteins teachers. You can read about 4 dimensions and how time is not a constant but time slows down when speed is increased.
I had 1 question. Wasn’t Faraday one of the scientists in the arctic ie one of the poles/vortices — the scene at the end of the season which introduced the picture of Des & Penny ?
Comment 419, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Debbie Downer wrote:
Not for me, I just spent 3 hours coaching my daughter’s fast pitch softball team practice. I am helping my wife put together flyers for our side biz between reading and posts. Right now, Lost is my HOBBY instead of painting ceramics, etc. I’m not neglecting anyone.
Comment 420, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Forgot to say some of the other lines going between the globes, besides real time and space time, read imaginary space, imaginary time, and pole
Comment 421, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
It was a sick joke. Sorry to offend. I love this show, too. I am a total LOST fan. Please forgive me.
Comment 422, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Debbie Downer wrote:
Forgiven…request the “Downer” removed from you name. :)
Comment 423, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Debbie Downer wrote:
2 weeks ago when I was sick with the flu, I felt I was on my deathbed…I was hoping I could get enough energy to get to the computer to blog about Lost. :-/
Comment 424, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Mewonder wrote:
Is there a screen cap somewhere of his note book?
Comment 425, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Ms. Downer, I will be on my deathbed wishing I had “figured it out”! Hopefully I have a few more seasons in me… LOL!!! I was not offended by your comment, you were using the word “We” which indicated you consider yourself to be addicted also.
Comment 426, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I don’t know of a screen cap. It comes at the very end when Faraday is flipping thru his notebook. There is also a diagram of a line running from point A to point B Time is at the top, Imaginary space is on the left side, S Pole (south pole) is on the right side, and real time is at the bottom. This is on the page opposite, If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be my constant
Comment 427, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
i don’t believe it’s about time travel, rather a parallel universe.
in parallel universes, time is not relevant. scientists believe there are parallel universes, but we just have no way of “entering” them since we cannot control a force to enter worm holes into those universes.
remember when desmond didn’t push the buttons and the magnetic force was released from the island? that force enabled a worm hole to open up and oceanic 815 entered into the islands parallel universe.
read this site link to learn more about m-theory. i think this is what the basis of lost is about.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spacechat/livechat/michio_kaku.shtml
Comment 428, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
*** You could be right, but I swear I watched it over and over, Possible Ben was wearing what looked like a gray shirt and tie under suit. The guy your refering to is a blue suit. I just thought the scene was quite interesting for all the shots. I’ll watch again, but I think there was a reason for showing him multiple times. Perhaps Ben is Mr. Widemore constant and he had to be there for some reason so he could win the auction. Also on a side note, I thought it was also interesting that Mr. Widemore said to Des in the bathroom, I’m not the one that hates you. If he was referring to Penny, why would he even give Des the time of day or give him Penny’s address. There’s so many levels to that auction/bathroom scene for sure. I LOVE IT!
Comment 429, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Mewonder wrote:
Here are some screencaps. Maybe the one you’re thinking of is there?
http://lost.cubit.net/s4inv/4×05_faradayJournal.jpg
Comment 430, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
TheoryNut wrote:
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Go back to comment #192. Some screencaps were already provided and discussed. I don’t think that’s Ben.
Comment 431, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
When Dez came to in Daniels office, Daniel said that he was out for 75 minutes. Then he asks Dez how long he was in the “future” and Dez says, 5 minutes. Any thoughts????
Comment 432, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
If I could travel in time I would go 2 hours into the future to where I had read all the posts. Then I could post my replys and theories that havn’t been covered yet. I’m on post 327. Everytime I leave the computer 50 more posts show up.
Comment 433, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
UnLocke wrote:
Great post.
Comment 434, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Jake 249: Best possibility for the O6 I have seen yet.
Nakira: I think the cards are checking Daniels memory of the near future. All the small doses of radiation he was exposed to over time caused small “jumps” in his consciousness. Short jumps, short term memory loss.
If Aaron left on the correct barring with the (other?) O6 he wouldn’t have the side affects.
Wish I were lost #272: Eloise had been “unlocked from time” without going near the island so it is possible elsewhere. Just easier or more unavoidable when traveling to or from there.
lostfan 282: Great theory on how Charlie appeared to Hurley in the future.
deangoodes #322: When Des in “traveling” back and forth his 1996 self is the only one active. He is in one time or the other and his other body is passed out during his absense. When he contacted his constant, Penny, his 2004 self returned to his 2004 body. This sent his 1996 self back to his 1996 body to stay.
I think his 2004 self remembers all of what happened but his 1996 self may think it was a dream or hallucination so he eventually forgets about it untell it happens (in 2004).
Once the constant is contacted is the travelor cured untill they pass the bubble again or do they have to have constant, constant contact.
Anyone care to predict how many comments there will be on this thread before next Thursday? No fair traveling there to find out first.
Comment 435, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Question (sorry if this has been addressed).
Is what Desmond had the same as what happened to Patchy when passing through the fence. Is that a connection….
Comment 436, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
poopypants wrote:
des cant be one of the oceamic 6 because he never was on oceanic flight 815 he crashed on a boat into the island years before the plane crash
Comment 437, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
(I took one link out,’cause I got this message telling me my comment was caught by the spam filter, probably because it had 2 links in it)
Hey, new here(but not to the show!)
I’ve read almost all comments on this page, so I don’t think this has been mentioned here yet(perhaps under other entries). I’ve just realised this now, although it should’ve hit me much earlier on: Penelope and Des are a total reference to Penelope and Ulysses from the Greek Oddissey! Penelope is the epitome of the faithful wife longing for her lost at sea husband. Check these pages out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penelope
As another interesting little fact: in the Oddissey Penelope”devises tricks to delay her suitors, one of which is pretending to weave a burial shroud for Odysseus’ elderly father Laertes and claiming she will choose one suitor when she has finished. Every night for three years she has undone part of the shroud” (check the wiki link for more). How long does Penny say on the phone she’s waited Des for?Yeah, for 3 years.
I just love the fact that this show is so full of literary references. The writers are surely well-read guys, to say the least. And I believe nothing is random here. Episodes like this one, as well as the careful choosing of names of characters and objects, places are definitely arguments that everything has been well planned since the beginning.
The entire show could in fact be interpreted in terms of intertextualism.
Comment 438, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
to miss downer ,who obviously can joke about herself: time is never lost. i think we all have an appreciation for this show due to its puzzle like nature/its literary value–in references and structure/its character development/its sense of fun! i get more out of watching, discussing, and thinking about lost than i would out of mindlessly consuming two and a half men or some other crap on tv. not to mention a show that makes me check out physic books from a library has accomplished something my high school teachers nor college profesors could do!
what i’m curious about–i would like some feedback on the nature of “lost” as a show not in the form of what’s going on?” but rather what does lost say about people. i’m just as interested to solve the riddles of the island as the next guy but what does this show say about us as people. i think all great science fiction (and i love science fiction) is simply another theatre for the human condition. i think of the characters on lost and i see a multi-cultural group that is lost. emotionally spiritually and physically. i can’t help but see this as a microcosm of the world. is sayid iraq? is he our idea of iraq? how do we as americans treat him as an iraqi? what does this say about us? how would we interact with an iraqi torturer? how should we?
at the risk of being a “donny” downer i wonder why we focus on the simplest side of the riddles on lost. whats easier to discuss–the wormhole theory or what these characters say about a global community that is shrinking and still can’t live with itself?
Comment 439, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Omar Kamel wrote:
Hammer wrote:
I think anything that has gone before is fair game – if it pertains to this episode in some way, per guideline #2 above – staying on topic. ‘Conjecture about whisper’ + ‘Constant fact #X’ does NOT = ’spoiler’. (IMO)
Just don’t use the C word (coffin). plz!
;^o
Comment 440, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Owners of above quotes in 439 are reversed – apologies.
Comment 441, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
avalanche wrote:
Certanly a great topic for disscussion but would probably need it’s own thread. Just the fact alone that so many of our losties have killed someone, yet we are still able to love, admire and root for them says sometning profound about societys values.
Comment 442, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The c word seems to be a “constant” for this blog.
Comment 443, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
skweez wrote:
I rewatched last night and caught that too. The ratio is 15:1 – about the same as the rocket flight and the helo flight (I was thinking 12:1 or thereabouts).
Comment 444, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
dejavu
after reading nearlly all of the posts for the last hour or so i dont believe any one has noticed about the numbers in this episode.
the year is 200(4) and desmond goes back (8) years,the numbers faraday gives desmond are (2.3)=23(42) coincedence? i dont think so.
the black rock found the island and the first mate wrote a journal about everything that was going on on the island,the journal then centuries later turned up with mr hanso who founded the darmah initive and went to the island himself who then carried out experiments on animals (polar bears) which i guess were sent back in time explaining why the new girl found one at an archelogical dig, also the hatch with the numbers was made because of side effects due to the island which is obviously people dying from exposure to the islands time shifting and the numbers are the setings of the electro magnetism field to keep the island in sinc with normal time as farday gave part of these numbers to desmond to tell him in the past as i said above.(i will get back to the hatch in a bit)
the french lady said all of her people died when she got to the island obviously from the same sickness as desmond(time travelling) the others(possibly black rock crew?) then have ben kill his dad and the rest of the darmah initive,is bens anchor(constant) his dad and by killing him he has some how severed his constant enabelling him to travel back and forward at will, is this why he wanted john to kill his dad as this is johns constant,
are all of these flashbacks we keep seing every episode real time and not flashbacks at all as if i rember corectly when claire had her car crash she said she just blacked out and the next thing she rembered was waking up in hospital,desmond blacked out when he time shiffted aswell,maybe this is why claire can not leave the island and her son does.
the machiene in the hatch obviously admits a huge magnetic field set at the same radiation levels as the island which i believe hanso made to keep the island in sync with normal time when the hatch imploded the islands time has gone awol again to normal time,the whispers in the jungle are echos of past or future left behind is this why mr eko got his name as the black smoke did get him is the black smoke echos as if you watch carefully when it gets mr echo you can see images of people in it.
the oceanic 6 is kate,jack,hurlley,syiad,earron,for sure which leaves one place up for grabs
as for dejavu we all have it when something happens and you think youve experienced it before,is this why faraday ,desmond cant rember things are all of the losties subconciously travellig back with out knowing like a dejavu?
tell me what you think
Comment 445, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
jason davis wrote:
> Once Desmond had his initial meltdown on the helo, he had no memory of Sayid. He was flashing back and forth all of the show. At the very end, once he connected with past Penny and current Penny (finding his Constant), he called Sayid by name, appeared to recognize him, where they were and why they were there.
> Seems like Deja Vu would have at least kept Desmond somewhat comfortable and familiar with Sayid every time he popped/flashed forward to the freighter. (?)
Comment 446, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Okay, I feel that there are clues in the whispers that may pertain to this episode. I have to collect my thoughts and do some research so it doesn’t sound like babble…
Comment 447, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
jason davis wrote:
I think you are another Lost Junkie…welcome to the fold. Your post displays classic symptoms, hurried, parts convoluted, some fact, some fiction, I got the feeling that every now and again you clapped your hands wildly, before rubbing your arms because of the spiders you think may or may not be there.
I can say your O6 members are a popular theory. It is sometimes easier to post separate thoughts, especially when they will each require quite a bit of independent analysis. Other than that, welcome to our crazy world.
Comment 448, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
just watched bits of the last episode again pennys house number is 423
Comment 449, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
and also looked at what others have seen eg.ben in the auction house and michale on the boat with binoculars ,it is definatley not them
Comment 450, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
DocH wrote:
I watched this a little stoned last night and it totally blew me away. For a few minutes i totally understood how Desmonds timeline and consciousness were fragmented and out of sync, that bit were Des walked from Penny’s flat were mixed in with him while the phone was ringing in 2004, he wasnt waking up after hours of ‘dreaming’ or picking up items that were there just a second ago before he ’shifted’ he was ok. I realised that his timeline and consciousness were synchronising.
But then i thought a little more, and maybe his flashback to 1996 was just a way of remembering pennys number, and all this time phasing or travelling is just how Desmond remembers things, how his memory is arranged, but i preferred the first realisation, and yes, it was some good shit.
Comment 451, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I also think that as far as Desmond is concerned, he was going out with penny, didn’t marry her, joined the army then started having some crazy vision of the future. Luckily he believed it was important so didn’t end up in an asylum or dead, and his memory is complete from his freak-out on the helicopter onwards. So his memory has an 8 year gap! All the bizarre decisions he has made throughout his life could have been as a result of this time/conscious paradox. Can you imagine how he will feel when he is told of how he has filled this time? After the army you became a monk, then you got a boat and tried to sail around the world. You got marooned on an island and effectively imprisoned in a bunker where you had to press a button every 108 minutes until someone comes along to relieve you of your duty. You did this for 3 years, then you didnt one day and you were exposed to levels of electromagnetism that by all rights should have killed you. For a short time you could see the future and tried to stop a young man from meeting his inevitable death, then you began to literally time travel. One minute you were on the island, the next you’d fallen off a ladder whilst still in a relationship with penny, but you thought it was 2004, and if i carry on and tell you absolutely everything, you wont believe me, infact, you will have a brain aneurysm.
i had to write it all down to fully understand that myself, and if i’m totally honest i’m not sure i do. All i do know is that Desmonds story is absolutely outstanding, and yes, i shed a little tear when he finally called her 8 years later, or 10 minutes, i just still dont know anymore.
Comment 452, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Super.
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For those that aren’t too familiar with the Island Whispers. Some really techno smart guys deconstruct the whispers into their original separate sound tracks. The last time I checked there are normally 8 separate sound tracks or channels overlayed throughout the whisper. Those tracks associate with different areas in each of your speakers. When we hear the whispers, it is different conversations piled on top of one other, no single conversation is audible. The guys that deconstruct and transcribe each separate channel find some great ‘hidden’ clues.
Am I close Hammer?
Comment 453, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Meathead wrote:
Is what Desmond had the same as what happened to Patchy when passing through the fence. Is that a connection….
Now THAT is interesting…they never explained how he got throught that fence…and what kind of fence is it? electromagnetic? Is Patchy an adept time traveler?
Comment 454, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Here’s another possibility:
Jack’s constant – Christian Shepherd
Hurley’s constant – the mental institution
John’s constant – his father
Kate’s constant – her crime
Ben’s constant – Richard Alpert
Sayeed- Nadia
Des – Penny
don’t know what to do with Claire, Jin, Sun, & Sawyer…
Comment 455, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I say that Richard Alpert could be Ben’s constant, as he first met Ben as a child, we know for sure Richard moves freely off the island, that is why he is able to recrut Juliette. Seem’s that Ben has also been able to go to and from the island. I don’t know… just a rambling thought on my part. I hope they do some more with Richard Alpert soon, his character is so intriguing to me, just like Jacob’s.
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Meathead wrote:
Interesting, also when Miss Clue and I forgot who else get’s killed in that episode. That’s why they weren’t afraid because they knew how to move their conscious/soul to another time dimension. What is intriguing… we know what the Losties do with their “dead” they bury them. However, I don’t recall what the Other’s do with their dead in recent episodes, only know about the big pit from the Purge.
Comment 457, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So maybe Miss Clue is still alive along with Patchy. More clues to come hopefully :)
Comment 458, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Ben & Richard leaving the Island is very different from the type of travel Des and Minkowski were experiencing. I believe that there are two different types of travel being done on the Island. The one is “conscious” traveling and the other is teleportation. Obviously Ben and Alpert would have to have their entire physical bodies transported on & off of the island to do they types of things that they were doing. (“The Magic Box”). I believe that the research began with the natural effects of the island causing the conscious travel and that they were trying to harness this effect for their own use by expanding the effect to become teleportation. Remember, the Rabbit experiment produced another Rabbit in the same time frame, not just the conscious time shifting of Eloise.
Comment 459, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
Why do you find it hard to believe that she’s had the same phone number for 8 years? My parents have had the same number for 34 years! And Sayid…he’s well trained. A military commando and electronics specialist.
Comment 460, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I don’t recall what the Other’s do with their dead in recent episodes, only know about the big pit from the Purge.
They float them out to sea on a raft.
Comment 461, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
That’s what they did with the girl Sun shot dead on the boat. Dang, almost every single lostie is a murderer now that I think of it! Except Claire, Des, and Hurley. Is Jack? I think not. I can’t remember.
Comment 462, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Actually, Hurley is a murderer, too. He ran over those guys on the beach!
Comment 463, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
intolost wrote:
- Desmond followed his hatch-buddy (Kelvin) to his boat, attacked and accidentally killed him by slamming his head against the rocks.
- Claire’s mom (Carole) is in a permanent coma (brain dead?) after Claire said she hated her, wished she were dead and wrecked their auto.
- Jack’s a surgeon – draw your own conclusion. He did forfeit Shannon’s fathers life in order to save (future wife) Sarah.
Comment 464, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
nicunurse wrote:
Now THAT is interesting…they never explained how he got throught that fence…and what kind of fence is it? electromagnetic? Is Patchy an adept time traveler?
I think that Patchy said the sonic system was not “set to kill” or turned all the way up. Something like that.
Comment 465, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
My 2 cents, talk about the whispers would not be spoilers because it is information given to us in the show, it’s just hard to decipher or understand. Plus from my reading of the whispers, I don’t see any foreshadowing done by them. I would like to know what some of the ideas are concerning them.
Comment 466, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I have read most of the posts and have not seen anyone comment on Penny’s comment to Des – “I talked to your friend Charlie. I knew you were still alive.”
Comment 467, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Meathead then NicNurse commented:
…they never explained how he got throught that fence…and what kind of fence is it? electromagnetic? Is Patchy an adept time traveler?
then RGS replied:
I think that Patchy said the sonic system was not “set to kill” or turned all the way up. Something like that.
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Yep. Mikhail fried in 3-12 Par Avion, appeared in two eps, then explained in 3-20 Man-B-T-Curtain as he caught up with Ben on the way to the temple.
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[Out in the jungle, a man runs. Mikhail sprints into the Others camp]
MIKHAIL: Where is Ben!!! Where is he!!!
[Ben steps out of his tent]
BEN: I thought you were dead.
MIKHAIL: I’m fortunate the pylons were not set to a lethal level.
[Locke exits the tent too]
MIKHAIL: What is he doing here?
BEN: It’s all right.
MIKHAIL: He’s the one who tried to kill me!
BEN: He’s with us now. Where have you been Mikhail?
MIKHAIL: I encountered several of his people in the jungle. They had an injured woman with them. Apparently she had just parachuted onto the Island.
BEN: What!
MIKHAIL: Her helo crashed into water. She says her ship is approximately 130 clicks to the West of us. She has a radio telephone.
Comment 468, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Found wrote:
I think that you are onto something here. Astral projection, a form of teleportation, occurs when electromagnetic forces and an unprepared individual leave the island through some kind of energy portal. Ben and Alpert (and possibly Faraday) have mastered astral projection and are able to teleport their physical body using an advanced technique via the same portal. I know the whispers are important, as are many clues we’ve been given along the way. I think the whispers may be a form of the future/past characters visiting themselves. However, since “the past cannot be changed” they are merely whispers. Things that can manifest themselves without altering inevitable outcomes can appear in more visable and clear forms–such as Kate’s horse. There was a post written at the beginning of this episode mentioning Jack’s location at the beginning of the first episode….how he was removed from the group but got up and knew where to run to assist the others, etc. Perhaps this is where Jack goes back to…to “the beginning” as we know it. The story is just being told out of order, from the future we have yet to see. Kate may not want to go back because of Aaron and her life after the island. She has endured enough and is unwilling to return, possibly risking her freedom and her child. Maybe you can only project yourself into the past/future with your mind, but if you teleport backwards you have to stay in the past. Jack needs to re-do the events “for the greater good”….whatever that may be. Just a thought.
Comment 469, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I’ve only read about 300 of the nearly 500 posts here, so if anyone has said this, please forgive me. But has anyone conjectured weather the time delay gets worse as you veer farther off the 305° azimuth? Also, I think maybe Widmore after he bought the journal, found the course the ship was taking and sent Desmond on that course for his round-the-world race.
Comment 470, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
TheoryNut wrote:
After the losties killed Mr Friendly and his cohorts Juliette was digging a grave in the sand.
Comment 471, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Gumby1019 wrote:
Couple of minor points. We aren’t sure how long it took Sayid to fix the phone, he could have been working on it for upwards of 2 hours (but then it would seem folks would be looking for them) as Des had his conscious travel while Sayid was fixing the phone.
A couple of folks thought it was strange that Widmore (who I’m not so sure is a bad guy) left the faucet running. He may just not like touching things in the bathroom. He turns on the faucet by using a hand towel, and then leaves the water running for the “lowly” Desmond to touch and turn off. They don’t show him touching the bathroom door upon exiting either.
Comment 472, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I noticed that too…is trying to be sure he doesn’t leave fingerprints? Is he a germaphobe?
Comment 473, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Go for it. I would like to hear what you have to say about them.
Comment 474, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DdoubleO wrote:
I’m thinking along the same line here. So the stories of Des meeting Daniel at Oxford, the rat finishing the maze, Des talking to Penny at her new home DID occur in 1996. But in 1996, they might not have a clear understanding of why they were doing it. They just did it. Now, in 2004, on the freighter, Des regains his memory of what actually happened in 1996 and remembers Penny’s number. Indeed, Des has a memory gap of 8 years and during that period he was doing things he couldn’t understand why he was doing them. Really cool!!!
Comment 475, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
TheoryNut wrote:
Whether or not any of the above are correct constants, its a good point that the constant does NOT have to be a person. Also, its not a given that all people who leave the island will need a constant, is it? Maybe Sayid and Frank will need a constant at some point, but maybe not, right?
Based on what we see in the flash forwards, Claire didn’t find her constant if she needed one, because it seems she didn’t leave at all or didn’t survive when she left.
Comment 476, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
re: Communications rooms destroyed, who fixes what how fast, who unlocks the door when they get out the infirmary, Minkowski croaking on cue.
It just hit me. The whole freighter is like the rat maze that Eloise ran. Come on! Two thugs with nothing better to do than watch the two newbie islanders… and the thugs always magically disappear long enough for Des & Sayid to start to fumble, fix, plot, connive, etc…
I think there are some VERY smart folks on that boat, Abbadon hires like Naomi, and they are watching Des & Sayid every second, assessing the skillsets they display, watching the main lab rat the closest – Desmond.
Comment 477, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
LoveLost wrote:
She talked to him just before he died, after he turned off the radio jamming device. He mentioned Desmond to her then so she knew he was there and was alive.
Comment 478, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
It struck me that way too, and the whole bit about the whispers may support this. Not sure how yet, but I am working on it. Would still LOVE to hear more thoughts about the whispers.
Comment 479, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
the black rock may have been used in the same way as the frieghter the fact that it has dynamite on it is very interesting
Comment 480, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Long time lurker. Quick thought…I think we should pay attention to the people bidding on the Black Rock book. They are probably on Sayid’s hit list in the futire.
Comment 481, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
kates constant the toy plane?
Comment 482, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
Thanks, Deangoodes, for replying. You are right. That was a beautiful scene. These actors are fantastic.
Comment 483, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rich.bow #481
If, in fact, Kate needs a “constant” then it certainly could be the toy plane!!! I am just not convinced that everybody needs a constant.
Everybody has such great ideas, I love visiting this blog! You are all so much more creative than I am!
Comment 484, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hey, I’ve been reading this blog for the past two full seasons, but first time posting.
Sorry if this was posted already – I read through most of the comments but didn’t see anything on it….
One thing I noticed and found interesting was that the flash-back, flash-forward effect that Desmond suffered from in this episode was different from what Minkowski suffered. Once desmond flashed back to 1996, and then to the helicoper, he didn’t remember anything from 1996 to the present moment, and freaked out in the helicopter and on the boat. He didn’t remember Sayid or anything from the island.
Minkowski, on the other hand, remembered everything about when he took the boat to see the island, and then came back and started having these episodes of departure to another time. Why could Minkowski recall the present but Desmond could not? Does it matter? Maybe it was just something to make the storyline for this particular episode more interesting or convenient, but I thought it was strange and wondered why the difference between Desmond and Minkowski’s experience. Will Desmond be back to normal now that he made contact with his constant? i.e. will he now begin to remember everything that happened between 1996 at the present time?
Comment 485, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I hope this does not disappoint and is not over hyped, but this is what I think the whispers are clues to:
First let me say that it is my personal belief that when we die, our conscious mind does not just go away. I feel that it is an energy that goes somewhere (not necessarily a religeous thing).
Now that we are lead to believe that the concious can time travel, let’s assume for the purposes of my theory that the interpretations of the whispers are correct.
It seems to me that when people die on(or even off) the island, their concious mind is being held at the island. The whispers are of the “dead”. I use the example of when Shannon and Sayid are in the jungle, the whispers include words that can be assumed to be from Boone.
(“She likes this guy” “Dying sucks”"Hi sis” “Here she comes, here she comes”"She drives me crazy”) These things that would be consistent with what Boone would say.
Then there was this one (Man (Sounds like Christian Shephard): “Sarah, Is somebody coming?”) I believe that Sarah is the name that C. Shephard called Ana Lucia , so it is at least debatable that both Christian and Ana Lucia are in the whispers…and dead.
Another possible example is Eko’s brother Yemie could be the one who says this (He’s been in a plane crash”"Are you sure?”
“I know what it’s like for a plane to crash”)
Now let’s add Charlie. Though we haven’t had him in the whispers yet, he APPEARS to Hugo. We are lead to believe that it is because Hugo is mentally unstable, but I have something that may dispute that theory. (Female Voice- “Maybe we should just talk to him”Male Voice- “No if he see us it will ruin everything”Male Voice- “What did he see”Female Voice- “They could help us”) It seems that the whisperers can show themselves if they so desire, which Charlie did. Not to mention that Ben’s mother showed herself during whispers and of course we are lead to believe that Jacob(who I assume is dead) shows himself to Ben and talked to Locke.
Now this is where I get into real speculation. I think that the smoke monster is actually an accumulation of the concious of all the dead folks, and it is their objective to protect the island, it’s powers and it’s secrets. Since we know that electromagnetics cause side effects that include concious time travel, and we also know that the sonic fence is used to keep smokey away from the others base camp, I think that it is at least debatable.
I hope that I made sense. I am ready for the debunking. And again, I hope it didn’t disappoint.
Comment 486, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
JGut wrote:
Actually Daniel said that traveling to the island effects everyone differently. He did not know the exact cause. So perhaps Minkowski had a different effect than Des. Also when Minkowski referenced Brandon, he said Brandon went crazy, though presumably, he does not consider himself crazy. At a minimum it means that the effect on Brandon was different than it was on Minkowski because he died much quicker.
It also could mean the “sickness” that effected Rousseau’s crew could be any number of things, as I am not so sure it was a mere time travel/conscious/ unsure of how to deal with it, IF she had to kill everyone, as they would have died on their own.
Comment 487, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Lol, not over-hyped at all. This is good stuff, and as plausible or more so, than any theory I have seen.
Did you come across a whisper sequence, (I believe it was b4 Ben’s mother appeared?) but the whisperer said something about, “I am your prisoner…and you are mine…crazy laughter.” What do you think of that one?
I am sorry if I can’t recall when it exactly occurred, maybe when I get back from going out to eat, I can find it if you don’t know what I’m referencing.
Comment 488, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
The time differentiation thing puzzles me a little. In an earlier episode, Faraday records that a probe sent from the boat takes longer to arrive at the island than expected. Does this mean that time is moving more slowly on the island? If so, how many days have they really been there? What a hundred “island days” in “real” time?
Comment 489, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
It was when Ben was little and talking to his dead mother. IMO it was Jacob talking to Ben for the first time because the sequence was Ben heard the whisper and told his dead mother he was scared and that’s when she said it will be alright.
Comment 490, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Now that time travel is playing into the plot, do you think when future Jack is telling Kate they need to go “back,” he could actually be talking about going back in time to get back to the island?
Comment 491, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
whiteroom wrote:
Or are they one in the same?
Comment 492, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I’m surprised nobody has commented on Killer’s comment (#364). The carving on Eko’s cane told the correct bearing to the boat. Do we think this is a coincidence (305 referencing something else) or that Eko was literally trying to direct Locke to the boat? If the latter, how does he gain that knowledge?
Comment 493, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rick wrote:
I believe the latter, and of course I think he knows this because as you may recall, it seemed as he getting more “in touch” with island. I think the info was being passed by the concious travelers. :)
Comment 494, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
idk if anyone has commented about this but the doctor, ray, looks exactly like mikhalil…
bens spy???
Comment 495, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Hammer! You are definately onto something, great posts as usual. Thanks for such great insight!
Comment 496, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
bb wrote:
Nope… Marc Vann plays The Doctor (see IMDB.com)
Mikhail is played by Andrew Divoff. They do look similar though. It would have been interesting if they were one in the same.
Comment 497, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Remember folks Penny DOES see Desmond again AFTER she gives him her phone number…..remember…..Outside the stadium where he was training for the sailboat race and meets Jake….mmmmm so could Desmond also be Jake’s constant?
Or maybe Desmond is OUR constant. After all we are flashing back to older episodes to connect the newer ones. Without Desmond our minds would blow and we would go crazy- if they havn’t already :) After all we have been searching for 3 years for the island just like Penny.
Ben sells antiques that are on the island. In 1996 Ben was still on the island with the submarine. He could have gone to the black rock to get the journal (or have gotten it from the others) sail to shore in the submarine and auction off the journal and other stuff.
TIIL
Comment 498, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Okay… I have to keep mentioning this auction scene. I just looked at the screencaps. There are two, one of the front of auction and one behind. The asian lady sitting behind Mr. Whidmore from the front view has a blonde lady sitting behind her. Directly across the aisle from the blond is my Maybe Ben, who is sitting behind the old lady with short hair with lace collar. The old lace lady is sitting next to Mr. Ponytail. When you look at the behind auction shot, both the Maybe Ben and Mysterious Blonde lady are Gone. Someone please check this out. Maybe they just screwed up and didn’t put everyone back in place during the lunch break. But there is some wacky Musical Auction chairs going on and people are there in one scene and gone in the next!
Comment 499, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
screen cap site:
losteastereggs.blogspot.com/
Comment 500, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Taranton wrote:
Actually to me, it seems the only time discrepancy occurs in going to and from the island. In the island “bubble.” If time were going slower or faster on the island, when Des calls Penny it would either be much later in the calendar, or much earlier, because the “bubble” discrepancy is so great that it would have to be extrapolated one way or the other.
Comment 501, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I was kinda thinking that too, but it just seems like that whisperer seems to be in control, and there’s something that bothers me concerning how Ben interacted with Jacob. I will stew on it some more.
Comment 502, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rick wrote:
That is a strange etching. 1) that is not how one normally references the Bible, 2) that scripture is largely irrelevant to what is going on, at the same token, 3)was the boat already there? Why does he give a bearing to get to the boat by air (305), when there is no method to fly there?
Comment 503, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Maybe the boat wasn’t there yet, maybe the boat just happens to be at the opening to get in/out. The differnt bearings are given to get out from a certain point?
Comment 504, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer thanks for your thoughts on the whispers. I think you are definitely onto something (although I disagree with your personal beliefs). Your idea makes the most sense to me so far. LOTS of things seem to fit.
I had a thought during the night that I couldn’t wait to post (almost got up at 3a.m. to post it): When Desmond goes back to 1996 and meets Daniel, Dan tells him “you can’t change the future” but then he immediately DOES change the future. Think about Eloise’s future: He put her through the maze, which she could run, because he said he was going to teach her to run it in the next hour. She had learned to run it IN THE FUTURE because he hadn’t taught her yet as of the present. HOWEVER, she died BEFORE he actually DID teach her. HER future was therefore changed. She was NEVER taught to run the maze. Are you with me so far? So, since Eloise’s future had been changed, it follows that ANYONE’S future could also be changed. I therefore believe that Daniel had NOT met Desmond until 2004 and that by sending Des back to meet him in 1996, He changed the future, at least Desmond’s future (and his – Daniel’s)and possibly everyone’s. Desmond remembers everything now and his nose is no longer bleeding. I think future episodes will show that Daniel is different too, now that both of them have their constant. Feedback please, I believe this idea opens up some interesting possibilites. Thanks.
Comment 505, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rita, thanks. This future changing thing has me confused too. I agree that going to the past and altering events to ensure something happens in the present is actually changing the future.
Comment 506, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
So are all the flashbacks and flashforwards really each character traveling in time and reaching a constant of some kind to bring them back to the present?
How come Lost gets more cool each episode?
Comment 507, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Some things I left out of my original post while waiting to see some reactions:
This reinforces that the whisperer are smokey. These were whispered after smokey throw Eko to the ground:
“It’s over ”
“The black man” (?)
“(unknown)”
“Right now / Right here”
“Locke”
“Eko”
“(unknown)”
“What happened”
“Shhhh”
“What’s happening”
“Now we got his… / I don’t want to kill him”
“What just happened”
“What’d he say”
“Help me up”
“Is he following?”
More:
“You have to believe it’s me, Nikki” was whispered when Hugo was at the cabin, long after Nikki died. It is either Nikki whispering or someone whispering to Nikki.
Man: “Come to me, I need you. You’re an alchemist and uh…” also whispered when Hugo was at the cabin. I believe someone was whispering to Dr. Artz.
“Naomi. I don’t know that name” was whispered to Locke when he was getting ready to shoot himself. I take it that after this Loce was told by Walt or the whisperers that she needs to be eliminated.
Comment 508, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I agree 100% with you on the whispers. After reading up on all the whispers on lostpedia that’s totally the conclusion I came to.
I’m still not sure about the smoke monster. To me it seems like there are two different pieces to it – one that’s smoke and floats around, the other is the clear thing that sounds like a giant robot, but can’t been seen.
I think they might be two seperate things. Hey – do you think the robot drawings on Aaron’s bedroom wall coul be the thing from the island? Maybe because of some electromagnetic force, the robots can make themsleves invisible. Is that a totally off the wall idea?
Comment 509, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I agree – maybe he manifests into something familiar as to not scare the person. Remember Eko talking to “Yemi” – he went through a whole conversation with him and at the end – “Yemi” says something like – You don’t know who I am, do you?
That would seem that it was someone or something appearing as Yemi – Jacob, maybe?
Comment 510, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
bb wrote:
Ooh – Interensting. I’ll have to go back and take another look. Patchy could look like a new man if he were all cleaned up.
Comment 511, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Meathead wrote:
Good point – is every flashback/flash forward we’ve seen so far from our characters been a “memory” or a “journey of the subconsious” – interesting….
It would seem plausible that all of our losties could possibly be affected by their entrance to the island and may b affected by the exposion of the hatch.
I think it was Danielle who heeded someone to watch your people very closely. It may not happen right away, but that the sickness will set in. At the moment – I am thinking that Danielle’s crew’s sickness was similar to what is happening to Desmond. It’s possible that she coud have killed them before they died on their own from the condition.
Comment 512, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Missy wrote:
I don’t know about invisible robots, but when I looked at the things on the wall, my original thought was that they are crude drawings of the natives of the island, they have less than five toes…three or FOUR?
Comment 513, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Again, Hammer you have got it, do you think that as more people have died on the island, the whispers are getting louder? I’m thinking that Jacob=Smokey=Whispers for sure. And this next thought goes entirely against my personal beliefs as well, but I’m thinking that this is a sort of Trinity, Jacob is the physical incarnation (like Christ). The Whispers (the mind /or conscious) and The Smoke (kinda a holy spirit) kinda of thing. However the represent not just One…does this make sense? I’m thinking along the lines of you that they are everyone who has died on the island. And unlike the Christian Worldview, when one dies the go to heaven to be with God. I think that when they die on the island, their souls inhabit the island in these forms. Just some thoughts, I love where your going with this though.
Comment 514, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Missy wrote:
Missy, read comment 496. :) Thanks
Hammer wrote:
Again, Hammer you have got it, do you think that as more people have died on the island, the whispers are getting louder? I’m thinking that Jacob=Smokey=Whispers for sure. And this next thought goes entirely against my personal beliefs as well, but I’m thinking that this is a sort of Trinity, Jacob is the physical incarnation (like Christ). The Whispers (the mind /or conscious) and The Smoke (kinda a holy spirit) kinda of thing. However the represent not just One…does this make sense? I’m thinking along the lines of you that they are everyone who has died on the island. And unlike the Christian Worldview, when one dies the go to heaven to be with God. I think that when they die on the island, their souls inhabit the island in these forms. Just some thoughts, I love where your going with this though.
Comment 515, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
I think we’ve seen Jacob in several forms (meaning) people. Ben’s Mom, Yemi, Walt, Christian Shepherd. who else…?
Comment 516, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Agreed, I think a couple of us brought this up earlier in this thread. I very much believe that there is no “virus” and the injections that Des and Kelvin where taking were to attempt to stop or slow down the side effects. Des started having his side effect some time after he fled the hatch and stopped worring about the virus.
Comment 517, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
TheoryNut wrote:
Yep, makes sense to me. I’m glad some of you folks are buying this one and adding to it!
Comment 518, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
lostfanatic wrote:
Wasn’t Sayeed shot in the arm when he first met Patchy at the house that Locke blew up later?
I’m a little hazy on it but I remember Locke was off searching the house and Patchy was patching up whoever got shot and suddenly attacked.
It’s funny how little things take on an ominous quality; like Widmore leaving the water on in the Restroom.
Widmore has such an evil presence!
Why do Charlotte and Miles not seem all that concerned with their access to the Chopper and their way off the island? Or even show all that much anxiety with being prisoners of the Losties? Except for that last scene where Locke put the grenade in Miles’ mouth.
From the preview for next week; it looks as if Julliete is fighting with someone and I sense she also may have some secrets and a bad streak.
Love her line that went something like; tell us slowly and we will try to follow along…when Charlotte said telling them the truth would only confuse them.
Where is the hell did the French lady go? And how the hell did she survive so long sans cigarettes and Baguettes? There’s a chunk ‘o dialogue missing between mother and daughter!
I still say there are conversations missing about food and sex. People on an island would be thinking about food all the time like Prisoners in a camp did. And there’s got to be some more sex; Why not a scene where some guy is whacking off and gets walked in on? That would be funny. Maybe it would break some taboos but more in line with reality!
If Jimmy Kimmel can sing about F##king Ben Affleck on Network TV….we can have at least a fraction of real life situations on LOST re sex. It’s just that it gets so many other things just right. Less Polar bear and more bear asses? Just not Hurley…
Comment 519, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
poopypants wrote:
Des wasn’t on flight, therefore can’t be of the O6. Michael, the captain,and ben’s man?
Comment 520, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
It may be loose writing but perhaps he did teach her in the 75 minutes Des was zoned out. So the timeline could be: Des passes out. Dan zaps rat bringing rat back to present. Dan teaches maze to rat. Rat dies. Des comes back, and asks what happened to rat. Daniel unconcerned just wants to record the events, blah, blah, blah.
Comment 521, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
First time to post….just wanted to say how helpful reading everyone’s ideas has been. It really makes me feel like I have a better understanding when I watch each episode. Thanks everyone!
Comment 522, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I hear (see?) what you are saying but I don’t think so. First of all, why would Dan have to teach the rat NOW, she already KNOWS the maze? So it has to either be loose writing, OR as I stated, YOU CAN CHANGE THE FUTURE! I doubt it is the loose writing, it has been pretty tight to date. I also think that the fact that the future was in fact changed (Eloise’s) RIGHT AFTER Dan said it couldn’t be changed was a hint for us so we wouldn’t have to look too hard to find it.
Comment 523, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
The thing is the writer’s seem to be going out of their way to state the future can not be changed. Even in their podcasts they state, we are very much against the future changing paradox. That’s why no matter what Des tried, he could not save Charlie, or Ms. Hawking with the red shoes man.
If Dan zaps the rat bringing the rat back to the present, he would have to teach the rat the maze. On second thought he probably doesn’t even have to zap the rat, as it is slipping in and out of present and future consciousness anyway.
If you buy into the future can’t be changed, Dan is going to teach the rat the maze regardless of the mini events that happen b4 actually teaching her.
If the future CAN be changed, then there is the possibility that the FF’s that we see may not occur. The writers are definitely dead set against that, as that would be a form of alternative realities, and they state that they want the viewer to be invested in the flash forward that they see. The ability of the future changing opens up all kinds of possibilities that I do not believe they want as an option.
Comment 524, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Also that’s what I meant by loose writing, because as someone pointed out b4, may have even been you, that when Des changes the way Charlie dies, he is in fact technically changing the future. But the writer’s are chalking that particular change as a “course correction.”
Comment 525, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Bobola wrote:
Comment 526, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Thanks RGS for the feedback. I will have to think this all through a bit more but you have given me some things to think about.
Comment 527, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
One thing: Some people have commented about Des’ going AWOL and if it’s related to Daniel Faraday. I think the fact that Des goes AWOL IS directly related to Des’ looking for Daniel at Oxford in 1996. Why? Well, if we assume that Des’ 2004 consciousness takes over Des’ 1996 body, there is very little chance that Des’ 2004 consciousness would remember the “fact” that Des has “two days of leave coming,” as Des tells Penny while he’s on the pay phone (especially considering that Des has no reference point as to what date it is). Most logical conclusion = Des makes up the “leave” story to convince Penny to see him, Des goes AWOL and gets thrown out of the army.
Also, as someone else has already pointed out, it seems as though the past and present consciousnesses switch places during time phases (see Des’ failure to recognize anyone on the helo ride during the initial time-phase). This, then, poses some other questions.
Does switching of consciousnesses ALWAYS happen? Remember, 1996 Daniel told 2004 Des’ consciousness that Des had been out for about 75 minutes (in Daniel’s office when Des stopped talking in midsentence). Where was Des’ 1996 consciousness during the 75 minutes (when, presumably, Des’ 2004 consciousness was back with his 2004 body)? And at the end, when Des is “back to normal,” we’re assuming that Des’ 1996 consciousness is back with Des’ 1996 body. Where was it all that time?
And it seemed to me that as the episode went on, the writers wanted to make it clear that Des’ blackouts in 1996 were becoming longer and longer. For example, in the beginning of the episode when Des’ 2004 consciousness first inhabited Des’ 1996 body, it seemed like 1996 time went by very quickly during the times Des’ 2004 consciousness reunited with Des’ 2004 body (the wakeup call in the morning in the barracks, the pushups scene, the picking up of the coins off the pavement–if Des’ 2004 consciousness had been gone for more than a moment in 1996 time, Des’ 1996 body would have slumped/gone limp, as no consciousness would be controlling Des’ 1996 body–remember back to the scene in the stairwell when Des collapses when he time-phases back to 2004 and the bathroom scene with the running water. Incidentally, the running water was a poor plot device, IMHO. Why? You try leaving the water on in most higher-end bathroom sinks [as that bathroom looked like] and see how long it takes for the water to flood. The answer = very rarely. Even if we assume the drain was clogged, either purposely by Widmore or not [probably not, as I think the fact Widmore didn't turn off the water was more a plot device to register time passing than anything that added to the storytelling], most sinks–especially the higher-end ones–have those holes towards the tops of the sinkbowls to prevent just the kind of overflow we saw in this scene). Towards the end of the episode, though, Des was out for upwards of 70 minutes (in 1996 Daniel’s office). Where was Des’ 1996 consciousness during all this time? And how does it come back at the end to inhabit Des’ 1996 body when everything turns out ok?
Maybe the past conciousnesses do come back to inhabit the past bodies during the time-phases, only the 1996 bodies are in a blackout state during these times. And it seems like the past consciousnesses are only able to inhabit their respective future bodies once, during the intial time-phase, after which, the past consciousness are AWOL, MIA, or otherwise incapacitated.
Comment 528, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Sean C. wrote:
Dez’s 2004 consciousness is gone when he grips the chair on the helicopter. It does not return until he talks to Penny as his Constant.
Almost the whole episode is told from Dez’s 1996 consciousness. I do think that it is possible that Des made up the 2 days leave story, but it still would have come from the 96 consciousness. When Des is out in 1996, his 96 conscious is in 2004. The amount of time he spends in either time zone is part of the whole brain aneurysm issue. I agree with the sink, that’s another example of potential loose writing/poor plot device, but maybe that’s how the English bathrooms are (w/o 3 holes at top I’ve never been to England).
As far as the phasing in and out, there was some good discussion on this subject a couple hundred posts ago.
Comment 529, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
More of this at http://robotindisguiseblog.blogspot.com/
So this is what I gather from the time-traveling consciousness: If someone is exposed to high levels of radiation or electro-magnetism and then comes in contact with the Island without following specific directions for getting to the Island, then they will have Desmond’s jumping consciousness problem. Without that combination, you are OK We know Desmond was exposed to the electro-magnetism when he turned the fail-safe key at the end of season two and that the helicopter was knocked slightly off course when they flew to the freighter. Desmond lost it at that point. That logic train says if Locke, Charlie and Eko (who were in the Hatch when it exploded) were on the helicopter, they would have experienced the same problem as it pulls into the station. My guess is that we will find out that Minkowski at some point was also exposed to radiation and that when he left the freighter and went to look for the Island, he lost it. (We also know now why he couldn’t make it to the phone in previous episodes…)
If you believe that, then it explains why Farraday hasn’t flipped out when he arrived even though he had radiation exposure. The helicopter followed the exact right path on their approach to the Island. And since the pilot and Sayid hadn’t had the radiation exposure, they didn’t loose it on the helicopter when the copter was knocked off course.
As for Desmond and his flashes about Charlie’s death, this is all I have: Desmond has slight conscious distortion while on the Island that allows/forces him to see a few days into the future or past because of the Island’s strange surrounding environment exacerbated by the turning of the failsafe key. As he leaves the Island, the environmental distortion further disorients his sense of surroundings and enables a conscious jump that is measured in years, not days.
That’s all I have on that. My only question is why exactly does Farraday need a constant? And why would he choose Desmond if Desmond in 2004 was going to be on a deserted Island and isolated on the freighter? What if Farraday ended up in Aug. 2004 and Desmond was alone on the Island? How would Farraday get a hold of his constant?
Comment 530, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Gup wrote:
That’s great.
I was listening to a local radio show in the Detroit area on Friday morning. They were commenting on the show and had people calling in to talk about it. I laughed when the hosts and a caller were frustrated because they think there is a “magic box” (the metaphor Ben used on Locke when he brought Cooper on the island) and they haven’t seen it yet. LOL.
They also don’t understand the numbers thing. They only know that they are used but knew nothing about their meaning. One person even said that even though some of the numbers Dan told Des to tell him in 1996 couldn’t be related because not ALL of them were used…cracked me up. I tried to call in to tell them about the blog, but since Lost is so popular I couldn’t get through.
Comment 531, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Cutley, @ 529, IMO they didn’t have to be by the hatch when it blew. Early in the show, when folks walked through the hatch they were being exposed to the magnet. Remember the key on one of Losties neck would stick straight out when he walked by, and Sayid found that the walls were extremely think so they couldn’t get to the magnet. My thought is every one on or near the island is being exposed, but folks with heavy exposure get the side effects more in more freqeunt and robust fashion.
Comment 532, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
Cutley wrote:
Daniel Faraday knew Desmond would be on the island to meet him in 2004 because Desmond told Daniel they met on the island and that Daniel had told Des where to find him in 1996. I think he chose Desmond as his constant because Des was the only person or thing that Daniel knew FOR SURE was going to be in his future (because Desmond came back and told him they had met there). As to why Daniel NEEDED a constant, as I said before, I believe he tried the experiments on himself (the ones he used on Eloise). Either that, or the lead apron he wore for protection did not work and he was exposed anyway. If I had to bet, I would go with that he tried it on himself. He is a scientist and who could resist?
Comment 533, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
OK Hammer, I have to ask. I am not much of a texter so I don’t know the “lingo” but what does “IMO” or “IMHO” MEAN??
Comment 534, posted 2 years ago - Quote and reply
In my opinon, in my humble opinion.
Comment 535, posted 2 years ago -