The Constant
1 year, 4 months ago by WillRead more: Desmond, Lost Episodes, Sayid, season 4
Tonight’s Desmond-centric episode will mostly focus on Sayid and Desmond’s trip with Frank Lapidus back to the freighter – and accordingly we will see the introduction of a number of new characters. Hopefully we get much more insight into how cohesive a group the freighties are (or not) and additional information on who might be Ben’s man on the boat. I would expect to see a strange sequence related to Desmond’s flash – and we’ll probably have a difficult time determining if we are seeing past or future – should be a great episode.
Spoiler Warning
ABC’s Official Show Description
Sayid and Desmond run into turbulence on their way to the freighter, causing Desmond to suffer unusual side effects.
Episode Preview
As always here are a few sneak peeks of The Constant:
Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3
Comment 1, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
what if ben doesn’t really have any man on the boat.. what if he can just read minds.. just what if..
and is it me? coz i really miss the black smoke monster.. will they show the black smoke monster this season? so i think i hardly saw it last season…
Comment 2, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
i love the sneak peeks!! thank you..
i’m so excited to see this episode.. i’m so curious about the side effects.. hmm… it’s just odd when he said we’re @ 40 ft.. does he mean below sea level?
Comment 3, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
My Prediction for tonight
By the very end of the Episode the shocker will be Michael appearing as the Spy.
A Desmond Flash Forward
Widmore Connection revealed.
Comment 4, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I just watched the previews and WOW!! (couldn’t help myself) Can’t wait for tonights episode!! 3 1/2 hours to go!
Comment 5, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I think we are finding out why Faraday didn’t know why the plane footage in his FF made him act weird with his “care taker”…eh?
Comment 6, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I feel somewhat vindicated of my theory from last season that Des is VERY important to this story.
Comment 7, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I feel like LOST just became the movie Primer. Awesome episode.
Comment 8, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So what’s up with Widmore buying that 1st mates journal? Needs to know something don’t he?
Comment 9, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Well, that was pretty friggin’ awesome! I just hope this doesn’t mean Desmond will be dying soon (but I fear that it does).
I hope we’ll get to find out what the contents are in that journal from the Black Rock. And I wonder if Mr. Widmore knew about the island before getting the journal.
I can’t wait to see where this all goes! Is it next Thursday yet!?
Comment 10, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
My TV has poor reception and I couldn’t read the Faraday’s note to himself in the last scene. What did it say?
Comment 11, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
If anyone can find the bearing that Ben gave Michael, we can find out if he’s on the boat.
Comment 12, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So….my mind is spinning right now. Thought I would get a comment in before the crowd gets here. I think I could have a brain aneurysm from watching this show.
Right now all I can say is Ben has a spy on the boat who also seems to be a friend of the Losties….could it be Micheal or Walt?
Also, I have to say I had tears in my eyes when Des called penny. That was so sweet!
Comment 13, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
No I don’t think Des will die soon! Finding the “constant” saved him and he will be alright now. How did the Black Rock journal come to light I wonder?
Comment 14, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That was quite an episode, and a mind blower. It’s going to take me some time to put my thoughts together.
Comment 15, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Josh wrote:
Desmond will be my constant.
Comment 16, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
man can u beleive that….the island can transport people into the past now, this show is just making things up now…i think the writers got there 6 year old kids writing for them now….that was a waste of a episode…desmond gonna die anywayzzz… wat up lost chicka…
Comment 17, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
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The note said something like… “If anything goes wrong, Desmond will be MY anchor”
Comment 18, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Josh wrote:
It said, and I paraphrase,
If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume is MY constant.
HTH,
: ) P
Comment 19, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
WOW!!! TIme Travel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOW
WOW
WOW
Maybe the only way losties can get back to Island is through the MIND TIME TRAVEL
HIghly unlikeyl BUt Possible.
MIchael is the man on the boat Im sure of it.
WOW
Comment 20, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
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The note said something like… “If anything goes wrong, Desmond will be MY constant”
Comment 21, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
All I can say is this was what we (all of us who believed time travel was central to the island) have been waiting for. Hate to say I told you so… but… We told you so… Not gloating just Happy!
An incredible Epi.
Comment 22, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Clearly the best episode in years. I was floored and I’m a guy and I even had tears when Dez made contact with Penny. Beautiful. What an episode!
Comment 23, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I was just thinking about this. Michael was given 325, Frank was given 305. Who knows where Michael might be? (or when, to quote Hurley)
Comment 24, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
No I don’t think Des will die soon! Finding the “constant” saved him and he will be alright now. How did the Black Rock journal come to light I wonder?
Even though I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, I hope folks can relax a little bit with over-analyzing it, because there are definitely some plot holes. Stuff happened quite fast with Penny and Des. She changed her number the same day she asked him to stop calling. She moved to a different address, the address she moved to happened to be walking distance from the Auction, which happened to be close to Daniel Farraday’s office. Mr. Widmore happened to be at the auction, and despite his apparent dislike for Dez, gives his daughter’s address to him.
But, I can buy the keeping the number bit, just for entertainment purposes.
Comment 25, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree with Rita, Desmond will be okay because he has his “constant”. No way would they kill him off now, he’s WAY too important in the whole time travel scheme. Loved the episode, but as I predicted, more questions than ever!!!
What room is the LAA meeting in? I am lost!
Comment 26, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Trying to wrap my head around time travel by conscience only. Walt seems to be able to do it. That explains why he is “taller” when he talks to Locke.
Is this what Charlie meant when he said “I’m dead, but I’m also here.”?
Comment 27, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The people on the boat didn’t seem to know where they were at either. The guy said they knew they were in the Pacific and about the last port being Fiji. Then the guy that dies said that they just wanted to “see” the island. I wonder if its like middle earth or something. I mean Time travel is a little far fetched so why can’t it be Middle Earth?
Comment 28, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
TheErikfromTallahassee wrote:
LOL! I usually hate the mushy stuff to, but that was a great scene between Des & Pen
Comment 29, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
That episode was great. Go Desmond. I always knew there was more to Desmod than meets the eye.
This is confirmation that the writers are not just making it up as they go.
Comment 30, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
time travel — that explains the polar bear and the french lady’s recording for 16 years — and walt appearing to john locke and telling him he has ‘work to do’
Comment 31, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
New to blog: AMAZING revelation!!!! Years ago my wife and I saw this old movie “Somewhere in Time” In it, a guy travels through time through hypnosis. Essentially he travels to 1912 by convincing himself it is 1912. The professer he consults before his little journey says his clothes/etc. everything must be 1912 or earlier. He falls in love with a woman from the past but accidentally is brought back by a modern “penny” is in his pocket. This reference to modern times ruins his link. A “penny” brought him back! No way it is a coincidence. They love to pay omage to sci fi flicks…but this also proves they planned this plot sequence from the start! The movie was from around 1980 and had C. Reeves and J. Seymour I think. Anyone else remember this?
Comment 32, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I think all the radiation from those experiments cuased Daniel to lose his short term memory, remember how he didnt have protection on his head with the mouse experiment.
Comment 33, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I was just thinking about this. Michael was given 325, Frank was given 305. Who knows where Michael mig ht be? (or when, to quote Hurley)
Michael might be on the boat, it seems if you are on 305 you get the side effect…eventually. The guy who died in Dez’s arms had a buddy who died much quicker.
Comment 34, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
You’re right, they don’t know where they are. Last season said something like “Island? We were given coordinates in the middle of the bloody ocean” I’d imagine some crew members know more than others.
Comment 35, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
By the way that was the best representation of time travel that I have ever seen. Very clever. None of this get in the mabic machine stuff. All in the concious just as einstien would have liked it.
Comment 36, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I like the “Constant” theme.
Shane “Some where in time” was a great example…and very relevant to this epi..
Comment 37, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Somewhere In Time was filmed at Mackinac Island in Michigan. Remember it well! (As do most Michiganders I am sure) Penny in his pocket, I don’t remember that part but WOW!!!
I believe the writers know exactly what they are doing and it is all planned out. They bring us amazing episodes week after week!
Comment 38, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Shane wrote:
Welcome Shane…and thanks for the tidbit.
Comment 39, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Desmond will be fine, he’s not gonna die, he has reconnected with his constant…Minkowski on the other hand has not found his constant…and Daniel knows this and that’s why he wrote it down back in 1996 in his notepad, Daniel’s not so much of a headcase anymore, just is smarter than all of the others and knows much more than anyone…can’t wait to see his episode
Comment 40, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
WHAT A SHOW, it is getting really interesting..
can’t wait until thursday!!!!!!
i was wondering who is the captain on the ship?????
Comment 41, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Off topic but not really…I see another Cloverfield connection. The guys said he was just on a ferris wheel. I’ll take this to the Cloverfield Update thread….sorry.
Comment 42, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
shane — yes, saw the movie with chris reeve and jayne seymour … and you’re right— this episode was similar to that
i believe the island is in the middle of this time portal … that’s why it’s so important to ben …that’s why ben is protecting it…just don’t know why ben didn’t go to the future and cure himself of the tumor
Comment 43, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
It wouldn’t surprise me if Michael is on the boat. I thought the reason Des had his “experiences” was because the copter veered slightly off course during the storm. Remember how emphatic (to use the description from the pop-up in tonight’s “Eggtown”) Daniel was in telling Frank to absolutely stay on course?
I do wonder what determines how a person reacts to it? Sayid and Frank were unaffected, but Desmond was affected, because of the electromagnetism. But why was Brandon affected more severely than Minkowski?
Comment 44, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Maybe I’m crazy, but when we see Sayid on the freighter alone (16 minutes in) the camera scans toward the top of the ship…and it looks like an African American man with a goatee looking through binoculars….could this be Michael?
Comment 45, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
SO……would the whole “Dharma Initiative” be a time travel experiment…and Desmond and Daniel started the chain of events with Mr. Widmore being the financier of this experiment and he recieves his info from the book he just bought at auction?
Comment 46, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ok, awesome episode. a bit confusing but i liked it. i couldn’t get on here for 20 minutes so i had plenty of time to think about the show.
> so daniel faraday is going thorugh the same thing as des. this makes SOOO much sense.
> desmond is daniel’s constant!?!?! since des is his constant, when is he flipping back and forth in time?
> minkowski got the same thing as desmond! and he died. i hope des doesn’t. is that why frank didn’t want daniel to talk to him? it explains why minkowski couldn’t come to the phone tho.
> omg, i was so happy when des found penny at the end!!!! i’ve been waiting forever for that moment!!!!!!!
> so with the time change thinga mabober it’s dusk when they start to go through the cloud and day when they get through it. when des goes back and forth between time it christmas eve ‘04 and ‘96.
> would oxford really hire faraday??? i don’t see him getting through the front desk with hair like that.
> omar wat up with you?????
> so does penny remember desmond saying he’ll call her on dec 24 ‘04? or is it like she can’t remember him saying that?
> i loved this ep! but if anything like the lake house movie starts happening i’m not gonna be able to watch the show
Comment 47, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
A few weeks ago someone brought up the concept of “vile vortices”, and said that is may be related to the mysteries of Lost. I don’t fully understand it, but I remember that one vile vortex is near Madagascar, which I think is where they said the journal was found.
You can read about vile vortices here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_Vor...
Comment 48, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
How come Sahid can fix anything??? That commincations tower on the boat was pretty messed up, and how does penelope have the same phone number for 8 years, and if she did then how she gonna give him the real number after that crazy story….This show is not making any sense now or maybe it was just this episode… if i was in charge i would blow up the whole island and be done for it…Obama for president 08….
Comment 49, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Des will be one of the “O6″,either that or he will be one of the “DO8″(2 Dead “O6″survivors from Jacks BS court story).I assume this because he is with Syaid now so… what happens next,its up to you but I say the big dude fom Vegas is not the ships libraian so expect fireworks next episode.Also,Ben’s “Man on the Boat”?… I think its the chopper pilot,what say you?
Comment 50, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT WAS THE GREATEST EPISODE OF LOST SINCE THE ONE WHERE ANNA LUCIA AND LIBBY DIED. Desmond is not going to die. Sawyer is going to die, i’m 100% sure. Also, Jack wont go to see aaron because he is probably responsible for the death of Claire. Farraday or Charlotte die next episode. i hope its charlotte because farraday is cool
Comment 51, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
CTKMIKE- I went back and looked. The dude seems bigger than Micheal but who knows. My picture isn’t that clear.
Comment 52, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Lisa wrote:
Well it seem the Orchid video was hinting that DHARMA had Daniel’s device, but it duplicated the rabbit instead of just the rabbit’s conscience.
Comment 53, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
Yeah, the communications center stuff was a bit far-fetched. Desmond said, “Can you fix it”, and Sayid said, “I’ll need a minute”. The thing was in a million pieces, torn wires everywhere……
Same number for 8 years….I’ve had the same one for 11 years, my parents have had the same one for 40 years….
Comment 54, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ctkmike wrote:
I have a 61″ DLP and HD with DVR… I just went back and it sure looks like Michael with a cap and a goatee. Good Eye.
Comment 55, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Ya tokenee i mentioned the whole vile vortices thing couple weeks back….if you wanna read up on that theory, just hit the tailsection blog..
Comment 56, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Bizarro! I don’t know what to think yet.
I need to clear my head.
Comment 57, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
there is supposedly 12 vile vortices around the world (which is a true theory), example would be the bermuda triangle and such where one can jump all reality and perception of real time and place…there is one in the south pacific where the plane went down and people believe that is what happened to amelia earheart..
Comment 58, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Vile Vortices = Hollow Earth
That’s what I’m talking about!
Comment 59, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Rikki wrote:
Charlotte is not going to die yet…Did you read her interview two weeks back?
Comment 60, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Minkowski as Ben’s man on the boat? Ben talking to him in the past?
Comment 61, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
very confusing. So, with Des’s time travel what
’s the theory on how this factor’s into him being able to see flashes of the future???
Comment 62, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Stinkin’ amazing! Wow! How can they top this?
Did anyone freak out when Des first sees that communication officer strapped in the bed? The background music made it seem he was someone we were supposed to know and then they go to commercial.
Comment 63, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Frank wrote:
no becuase then who opend the door to let them out of the clinic
Comment 64, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
It wouldn’t surprise me if Michael is on the boat. I thought the reason Des had his “experiences” was because the copter veered slightly off course during the storm. Remember how emphatic (to use the description from the pop-up in tonight’s “Eggtown”) Daniel was in telling Frank to absolutely stay on course?
I do wonder what determines how a person reacts to it? Sayid and Frank were unaffected, but Desmond was affected, because of the electromagnetism. But why was Brandon affected more severely than Minkowski?
I think Brandon and Minkowski got it because they probably did not go exactly on the heading. I think the Freightor knew how to get close to it, but they don’t know the exact heading to go in on, without the side effects (and have probably tried b4 w/o success). I don’t think Daniel’s coordinates (305?) are as correct as the 325, which probably does not produce any side effects, (but he believes it is, or has slightly miscalculated but can accept the difference) or they are minimal. If they knew the exact way to get in, it would seem they would just go right in, but they don’t so they sent the 4 in first to see if there would be any effects.
I agree with whoever originally posted in thinking that Widmore is the person after Ben.
Time travel kinda opens the door up to a lot of possiblities, I hope they give a nice explanation soon to tighten up the storyline.
Comment 65, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
If the guy piloting the boat is Micheal that would certainly explain who is Ben’s “man” on the boat. I will have to check the dvr tomorrow.
Comment 66, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Penny said she has been looking for Des for three years. Is that how long it has been since Des turned that key and got radiated??
Comment 67, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Andrew wrote:
no becuase then who opend the door to let them out of the clinic
I thought it was Frank… Someone who does not appear to be Ben’s man…
Comment 68, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Lost Addict* wrote:
Just a guess, but now that Dez has found his constant, he may be able to better understand how to use his visions. He’s still vital to the story IMO.
Comment 69, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Okay, I don’t know anything about headings, but if Michael’s little boat left from a totally different place on the island from the helicopter, would that account for the difference in the heading that each was given?
: ) P
Comment 70, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
LostinSev wrote:
No, it’s still 2004 on island time. Des got the heavy electromagnetism exposure within a month or 2 of the plane crash.
Comment 71, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
LostinSev wrote:
No, it is when his boat went missing
also, if anyone is interested in a video about the dif. dimensions/ time travel, check this out.
tenthdimension.com/medialinks....
Comment 72, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Okay, I don’t know anything about headings, but if Michael’s little boat left from a totally different place on the island from the helicopter, would that account for the difference in the heading that each was given?
: ) P
I don’t know much about heading either, but I play like I do on this site…lol. I would imagine that since the helicopter can fly, it doesn’t matter where it takes off from. Don’t quote me.
Comment 73, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Can someone help me out? My dvr crashed and I did not get the last two minutes. Desmond was calling Penny and the phone was ringing when I it went dead. I can now tell that Penny picked up. What did she say? Would love a blow by blow of those last two minutes. Thanks.
Comment 74, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
LostinSev wrote:
No, Dez has been on the island for that long.
Comment 75, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
What if Micheals on the boat but he’s not Bens man the boat. Whatif micheal came back to help the lost people and Frank or somone else is the real “man on the boat” cause why would micheal help Ben. Wouldnt he just want to get of the island with his son and live a normal life. or try to help his friends back on the island.
Comment 76, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The best episode of Lost yet. I beleieve that it also foreshadows the Oceanic 6 experience when they leave the island.
Comment 77, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Whoa Micheal on the boat? I would LOVE to see a screencap of that bad boy.
I’ve had the same CELL phone number for 8 years- it’s not too much of a stretch to keep the same house number.
And we don’t know how much time was going by in between Desmond going to the auction hall & Penny’s so it seemed pretty realistic to me. What was he talking about with the whole exponential thing? Smarty posters- care to help a non science girl out?
Did anybody else catch the whole Hanso mention as the previous Black Rock Journal owner? Reinforces the whole Hanso vs. Widmore theory.
Why would they ignore Penny’s calls if it was her father’s boat? It’s either A. not his boat or B. an order he gave them to keep Penny from Des (though honestly how can a father hate his daughter’s boyfriend THAT much? I know he didn’t like desmond but that seems a little out of control to me?)
Also- big thank you to the Lost writers, FINALLY an episode where I feel like things get answered. Now you just need to spill about the 5000 other mysteries involving the island : )
I refuse to acknowledge the idea that Sawyer dies because he is my biggest person-who-doesn’t-really-exist crush.
LASTLY (well for now- my head is still in a whirlwind…) where is Naomi? I was really disappointed we didn’t see her. & am I the only one who thought the doctor looked familiar?
Comment 78, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
prtp3warrior (35): agreed. i loved that. i liked how you (or at least me) kinda felt like desmond where you’re just like “what? how’d i get here? what’s going on?” it was a great idea (tho that is what he’s been doing before). and with minkowski it was REALLY scary and totally unexpected. and daniel? no way i woulda guessed that one (till daniel started talking to des on the phone, from there i knew he’s like des). and elouise was a great touch too.
> oh, i loved it when minkoswki “came back” and is like i was just on a ferris wheel. it’s like the perfect thing to go to.
> des is affected by the electromagnets (and possibly radiation from the implosion?). daniel by the radiation of his experiments. so what was minkowski and brandon affected by???
omar (48): yes, sayid is superman of the communication devices. the republican guard trains very well apparently. who else could fix that messed up of a thing and make it work? and penny having the same number for 8 years, makes sense but for whatever reason i don’t see her keeping a number that long (i know she’s not kate but it still doesn’t seem to fit her really) unless for some reason she took des seriously when he said the 12/24/04 and rememberd it somehow.
> i’m gonna have to rewatch this to make any sense of anything in this episode!
frank (60): yep, on a ferris wheel. probably eating cotton candy. :P
> des has been on the island for 3 years.
> i’m gonna take a wild guess and say ben knows how to go to and from the island w/o side effects, and the freighter tots don’t as they don’t live on the island.
Comment 79, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay? It is 2004 on the island but is it 2007 real time (off island). Did Penny search for Des before is promised Dec. 24, 2004 call? Is the real call 12/24/07 (3 years later than he said)??
Comment 80, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
As far as the touching scene at the end with Des and Penny goes, I have to share something with you all.
In the twelve years I have known my husband, I have seen him cry five times. 1) When we broke up temporarily while dating, 2) When his favorite aunt died, 3) when he was really sorry for something he had done, 4) when our newborn daughter required OPEN-HEART surgery and lastly, 5) when two fictional characters re-unite on a sci-fi show. Huh?
I looked over at him in utter disbelief. Pretty sweet.
Comment 81, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Andrew wrote:
For likely the same reason Sayid is a hitman for Ben…he’s got something on him.
Comment 82, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
AND (haha that totally didn’t last long) WHAT do these people keep injecting people with? I think whatever he gave Minkowski is related to what Juliet got on the submarine and Sayid received from Ben. Some sort of vaccine that counter-acts the effects of the island.
And I think Desmond being the only one affected by the island mind-blower thing had something to do with him being in the Hatch and/or the explosion. Faraday asked him if he had been exposed to radiation or electro magnetic something or other & he was definitely involved in something of the sort with the whole button pushing and eventual blowing up of the Hatch.
Comment 83, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHO IS MICHEAL AGAIN???
I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED!!!!
Comment 84, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
thee heading is 325. frank flew 305, as scribed by daniel on the note. at the very end when Des was freaking out, frank took a descending right turn (correcting back to 325?) and des got better.
more numbers = des to past daniel freq = 2.342 on 11 hertz. 11 doesnt register but 2.342 is our famous 23 & 42. how about penny’s future london phone number? no bells rung there.
minkowski (NOT DEAD) is faking the time travel bit and pushing des’s buttons. he knows and copies daniel’s time “fits’ to get des to reveal what des knows. Des & Daniel are like the lab rat that brain-farted - expendable.
Where does Abbadon fit with any of the new folks?
Best episode in years. Everyone that follows LOST will have to reflect on this episode - it is the portal from the first half of the series to the second half.
Only one thing I did not like - the skunky POS freighter - I was expecting a modern, state-of-the-art, hi-tech, almost carrier like freighter. What we got was a junky, trash-hauling relic of a freighter with Tunisian registry.
(DOH - Tunisian connection there?)
Comment 85, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Okay? It is 2004 on the island but is it 2007 real time (off island). Did Penny search for Des before is promised Dec. 24, 2004 call? Is the real call 12/24/07 (3 years later than he said)??
I think it’s 2004 on the show and not 2007. They started in 2004 and although we have been watching for 3 years, they have only been on the island 90 days.
Comment 86, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
RAY wrote:
Hilarious. My uncle has been making fun of me because of how I lock down the house when Lost is on (no talking, no lights, no walking in my peripheral vision and seriously NO TALKING) but he hasn’t ever seen the show & always misses it because he works a night job. So tonight even though he was running late, he caught the very beginning and COULD NOT stop watching the TV to leave haha! I’m going to have to leave the ABC episode site up on the computer tonight to help him on his way to LOST addiction…
Comment 87, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
LostinSev wrote:
LostinSev, aye brotha we’ve got to get you a constant! Think of something that you care deeply about. The show is taking place in 2004. It’s 2004 on the island, AND on the freightor. To our knowledge, no one has traveled into the future yet.
Comment 88, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
LOL ray on number 5
Comment 89, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Michael is Walt’s father. Walt is the kid that the “Others” kidnapped from the boat.
Comment 90, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
did you catch widmore telling des after he gave des penny’s address “here .. go see her so she can tell you herself” what? that he’s behind the time travel? that she’s married? (she was wearing a gold band on her right hand … but many europeans wear wedding bands on the right hand) did you see all the gifts in the background?
michael is not on the boat … the man in the tower was walt — in future-grown up- now he’s charge
Comment 91, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Lost chicka, maybe Minkowski and Brandon? got their exposure from being in the communications room all the time.
Comment 92, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The actual “quote” in Danials’ notebook was:
“If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be my constant”. Lots of close paraphrases.
The 325 bearing vs. the 305 bearing: It is true that the dock from which Ben sent Michael and the Huey takeoff site could be far enough apart to require that much difference in “headings” to arrive at the SAME destination. Of course the freighter may have moved since Michael shoved off also.
The time travel theory needs some serious explanation. Lots of us have believed the Island existed in some time-warp or was only reached by traveling thru some portal. More recently, I’ve discounted those theories in my own mind due to the live radio communications and was leaning more towards the electro-magnetic effects just “bending” time slightly.
Can anyone explain a reasonable theory now ?
Comment 93, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I just did the math
the crash (Day one) was 22 Sep 2004
the reveal tonight was 24 Dec 2004
or Day 94. that lines up with the pop-up enhanced repeats. Jacks 100 days or so without baseball means he didn’t see a game the week before he left Sydney.
Comment 94, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
man yall need to get off this whole micheal on the boat thing….micheal got fired from the show like 2 seasons ago, he aint on no boat or is he coming back for his dog…poor walt just got the boot with him…
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DocH wrote:
That’s really interesting- can you elaborate on the Tunisian registry and what POS means? I didn’t catch the first part & know nothing about freighters.
Comment 96, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ok, newbie here. loved that episode! love time travel stuff…. does it mean anything that the first mates shiplog belonged to someone named “hanso”? isnt that the name of the company that did the dharma iniative? i think penny’s RICH dad sent desmond to the island 6 years ago and had him type those numbers in hoping he would freak out and die from a time traveler brain anuerism. but he never did. does that make any sense to anyone but me????
Comment 97, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
man yall need to get off this whole micheal on the boat thing….micheal got fired from the show like 2 seasons ago, he aint on no boat or is he coming back for his dog…poor walt just got the boot with him…no lost chicka im superman
Comment 98, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Mark wrote:
I can’t quite do a blow-by-blow, but she answered, he said “You remembered” she said “I’ve been searching for you for 3 years. I know about the island” there was some static they said they loved each other ….. I think that was the gist of it.
Comment 99, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Can someone please explain what just went on. I am totally lost. Maybe i’m just dense, but i don’t get the whole “conscience time travel” thing. Am I to understand that the only way to go to and from the island is by time travel? If so, how does that make sense?
Comment 100, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh yeah another thing:
Did anyone else expect the auctioneer to announce a familiar name (or two) from the Black Rock ? Maybe Richard Alpert ?
Perhaps the freighter is ALSO “under the influence” or effected by a time-warp ?
Comment 101, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
YET… this entire season - they have been showing Harold Perrineau’s name in the 10 minute open credit crawl - five episodes!
not a spoiler - they advertise it - every week.
COUNTERPOINT?
Comment 102, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
who is richard alpert?
Comment 103, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur* wrote:
By Naomi, you mean her body, right? (she died a couple episodes ago) That’s a good point – you’d think some of the ship’s crew would go to get her off the copter.
lostlaur* wrote:
I thought he just gave Minkowski a sedative because he was yelling and trying to get out of the bed. Supposedly Juliet got a sedative too, and I believe that - they wanted to make sure she wasn’t awake to see the way they get to the island.
lostlaur* wrote:
LOL! That’s me too - my wife gets mad at me - she’s starting to dread Thursday nights.
Comment 104, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I can’t quite do a blow-by-blow, but she answered, he said “You remembered” she said “I’ve been searching for you for 3 years. I know about the island” there was some static they said they loved each other ….. I think that was the gist of it.
Thank you! Holy cow.
Comment 105, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Perhaps one or both had cancer and received radiation treatments? Maybe that is why Ben wanted his tumor removed on island to avoid “mainland” hospital radiation?
Oh, and Omar, “Michael” is played by Harold Perrineau who was NOT fired (but allowed to film a movie) and in fact has been in the credits (though not yet on the show) since the first episode of this season.
: ) P
Comment 106, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
thee heading is 325. frank flew 305, as scribed by daniel on the note. at the very end when Des was freaking out, frank took a descending right turn (correcting back to 325?) and des got better.
more numbers = des to past daniel freq = 2.342 on 11 hertz. 11 doesnt register but 2.342 is our famous 23 & 42. how about penny’s future london phone number? no bells rung there.
minkowski (NOT DEAD) is faking the time travel bit and pushing des’s buttons. he knows and copies daniel’s time “fits’ to get des to reveal what des knows. Des & Daniel are like the lab rat that brain-farted - expendable.quote]
I think you’re giving Minkowski too much credit. I think it was just as he said, that’s why when they would call to talk to him, the woman would say, “um, he’s …unavailable…” because dude had spaced out and gon’ bonkers.
I also think that after they came back, they felt they needed to destroy the radio room (I’m not sure why they’d know the exposure would get them, if it in fact did cause the disorientation) bcuz the radio room is the work of the devil, work of the devil, work-of-the-devvv-illll.
Comment 107, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
YET… this entire season - they have been showing Harold Perrineau’s name in the 10 minute open credit crawl - five episodes!
not a spoiler - they advertise it - every week.
COUNTERPOINT?
I have been purposely watching this and you are on point-his name is up there every week!
Comment 108, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
YET… this entire season - they have been showing Harold Perrineau’s name in the 10 minute open credit crawl - five episodes!
not a spoiler - they advertise it - every week.
COUNTERPOINT?
Not to mention he was rehired last year.
Comment 109, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
skweez wrote:
I don’t fully get it either, but time travel is NOT the only way to get to the island. But apparently if you don’t approach the island from the correct angle, some funky things happen. A person’s body doesn’t physically jump from one period of time to another, but the person’s mind apparently does, jumping to their own body at a different point in time.
Comment 110, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lust4lost wrote:
Ah come on! Let me recommend reading lostpedia.com.
Comment 111, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
dukewm wrote:
YES. I totally did.
and Skweez on the island confusion-
Who knows haha?
I personally think that MAYBE with the exception of Desmond they are actually physically on the island. So far the only ones we’ve even gotten flash forwards of besides Desmond’s crazy time warping are Jack, Sayid, Hurley & Kate. So if it was only by mind that you could get to the island I don’t really get all the flashbacks for the first 3 seasons. That would be THREE paths of time simultaneously right? Past, Present and Future?
And Penny acknowledged that Desmond was somewhere far away, Ben had passports which leads me to believe that being on the island is a physical thing, and while traveling back and forth you apparently pass out, get nosebleeds etc. & I think the other Losties would notice other people acting like that. Also, I think there would be some weirdness concerning the people on the island who died- where would their bodies go? In the future & disappear from the past? Fall down dead in their past timeline? I’m sticking with actually physically being on the island.
Also- Walt may have that whole mind travel thing going on but he also has some other really weird abilities (killing the bird for one) so who knows. I always thought that Walt must have a lot more to do with things than original because why would they make him seem so special & have that comic book with the polar bear & island with the bubble and lightning bolt if he wasn’t providing foreshadowing? Maybe I just really like Walt and want him to come back.
Comment 112, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
buckeyejon wrote:
Welcome! The name Hanso appeared on that blast door map in the Swan Hatch that Locke saw for about 10 seconds back in season 2. And you’re right, the Hanso Foundation sponsored the Dharma Initiative. I think there was some additional information about the Black Rock-Hanso connection in the Lost Experience online game they had a couple years ago.
You may be right about Mr. Widmore’s motivations in sponsoring the round-the-world race, and hoping Desmond would be gone forever.
Comment 113, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
to the person that also asked “who’s michael?” lostpedia.com
thanks,hammer! i’m new to this blog and trying to play catch-up
Comment 114, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Seems like people are confusing the time travel thing with the island time thing. I don’t think is necessarily one in the same. The conscience time travel was presented as a side effect to the travel between the island and the real world.
Comment 115, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
didnt know i could stir up so much about micheal…sorrryyyy….but the real deal is that they run everyones name on the opening credits and it is just another lost illusion to keep the audience guessing, so untill he and walt time travel back to the island and charlie comes riding in with a sea turtle attached to him with captain Jack Sparrow on his side,,,i will not bring out the lost theories thats have already failed us…u say micheal name on the credits well so is charlies…???
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Comment 117, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur* wrote:
POS means Piece Of S*&^ (Crap). Most guys with old clunky cars know the reference. As for freighters, African countries like Liberia, Algeria, Tunisia, etc… are notorious for their run-down POS freighters (think the first Indiana Jones movie) that will do almost any drug-smuggling, human trafficking no-no for just a few bucks. I rewound my not so hi-def and saw no flags flying on the freighter. I saw a side mark that was not so intelligable. The Tunisia thing was more of giggle thing based on the Polar Bear Charlotte found, combined with POS shipping.
Comment 118, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Screwed up the quote…this is what I was referring to.
Comment 119, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
ray (80): now that’s just a bit sad. you’re newborn daughter requiring open heart surgery just doesn’t really compare to 2 fictional characters re-uniting on a sci-fi show.
buckeyejo (96): welcome….whoa, penny’s dad must really hate dez to want him to get time traveler brain anuerism (whoa, big word).
PJSander (105): thanx. that makes sense why ben wouldn’t want to get treatment for his tumor off the island. sooo much sense!!!
Hammer (114): yes, exactly what was said in the episode.
> lots of banging people into walls in this episode.
> so, how does daniel know about 1996, but can’t play a memory game? and can time travel affect the future then or not?
> richard alpert is the king of guyliner who gave locke the giant folder on sawyer in the brig which gave locke what he needed to know to get sawyer to kill cooper/the original sawyer.
>>daniel and des rock my sox off!!!!!
Comment 120, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
if you look at danie’s journal the map that locke saw seems to be on there
Comment 121, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I could see that too. Maybe he’s in cahoots with the old lady in the jewelry store and that monk.
But…..I remember hearing that when Desmond was first on the show, he was only supposed to be on for 3 episodes, but then D&C decided to bring the character back. I wonder how that ties into D&C’s original plan for this part of the story. Like you said earlier, Desmond is a VERY important part of the story. I couldn’t imagine the show if we never saw him again after he ran away from the Hatch.
Comment 122, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Well, were they playing a memory game or was he trying to get rid of the side effect? Now that he has his constant…
Comment 123, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So does this mean desmond knows daniel before he meets him on the island? If you look towards the end of the third episode this season when desmond is asking the pilot at Penny….daniel looks at desmond as if he knows him.
Comment 124, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
sorry asking the pilot about penny not at penny
Comment 125, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I could see that too. Maybe he’s in cahoots with the old lady in the jewelry store and that monk.
But…..I remember hearing that when Desmond was first on the show, he was only supposed to be on for 3 episodes, but then D&C decided to bring the character back. I wonder how that ties into D&C’s original plan for this part of the story. Like you said earlier, Desmond is a VERY important part of the story. I couldn’t imagine the show if we never saw him again after he ran away from the Hatch.
It could have been a different character that was going to do all this travel stuff…and decided Dez was the better characer?
Comment 126, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
I don’t believe “Charlie” who is portrayed by Dominic Monaghan is in the opening credits, Omar.
Toeknee (#121) This was discussed in a podcast (don’t know which one since I listened to all of them for the first time this week). Not sure if it is okay to discuss here, though. If someone gives the “go-ahead” I will share what I remember.
: ) P
Comment 127, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Oops, replying to my own post. I actually think what I heard on the podcast was about Michael Emerson (Ben), not Desmond. Still, it may apply *grin*.
: ) P
Comment 128, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Could be - I know that’s basically what they did with Henry Gale/Ben. And I’m sure if they did, a lot of the plot we’ve seen would have been significantly different. My head is spinning enough after this great episode - I couldn’t even begin to imagine how else these first four seasons could have played out with someone else doing Desmond’s duties.
Comment 129, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
is the dream a flashfoward or what?
Comment 130, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
i meant the dream in the beginning.
Comment 131, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Thanks ToeKnee and Dukewm…
OK, i remember Ms. Hawkings saying that you can’t change anything. So, if that’s the case, what was the deal with Dez going to see Daniel. Did Daniel write that “Desmond Hume is MY constant” note after Dez left and right before he decided to try his experiment on himself?
Someone, please correct me if I’m wrong…. When Daniel saw the wreckage of 815, he didn’t know why he was upset. This was due to the fact that his future self had been to the island and knew what would happen OR is that scene to be looked at as a FF?
Comment 132, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
don’t lie (lying liarson). or waste time. Dom Monaghan was not of this shows credits. It went Mader… O’quinn… Perrineau. then the creators. then the guest stars. What bugs me is that Jeff Fahey (Frank) and Fisher Stevens (Minkowsy) are in the guest section. guess they won’t be around for long. While Miles, Charlotte and Daniel are up with the recurring regulars. That says something for who stays and goes!
Comment 133, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
mlc wrote:
A further thought….Desmond was discharged from the army for disobeying orders. Could it be that he went AWOL to find Daniel as told by the 2004 Daniel which sets him on the course that he is on. Maybe the past desmond he knew he was going to need to call penny on christmas eve 2004 from an island so he takes part on the around the world sailing competition as a search for the island in a way.
Comment 134, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Dang! You got my hopes up - I was hoping to get more scoop about Desmond.
But to address your comment about podcasts - I think they’re pretty much fair game for discussion unless you’re talking about events in upcoming episodes (i.e., spoilers).
Comment 135, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Bed time for Bonzo(me)…but I leave you all with this to ponder: Faraday says “you can’t change the future”. That is DHARMA’S whole objective, to change a factor in the Valenzetti equation to save the world(change the future). So is Faraday DHARMA?
Comment 136, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Good catch on the frequency. Even seeing it written on Desmond’s hand I didn’t pick up on that.
Another number - Penny’s address was 423.
And, going back to the Eggtown episode, in tonight’s pop-ups, they said that the court dockett number was something like 23421516
Comment 137, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
What significance is it that Dez is Daniels constant. It didn’t seem like Daniel acted any different after first encountering Dez. Also, is this the reason Daniel comes to the island. He received info. that Dez was there?
Comment 138, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
It may have also have to do with how good their agents are ($$) or if they are under contract to some other studio. *grin*
For example, if an actor is under contract elsewhere, they may be allowed to work for another studio only as a guest actor.
Hope this makes sense.
: ) P
Comment 139, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The one thing that (possibly) confused me was the very last shot.
If Penny, at the present point, contained knowledge of her past interaction with Desmond, than Daniel, at the present point, should also contain knowledge of his interaction with Desmond. Based on the way the scene was shot and played, it seemed that Daniel did not contain this knowledge until he came upon it in his journal. Now, if this is the case, it may be possible that Daniel, at the present point, somehow lost that memory until coming upon it in his journal - that seems to be the only explanation. However, my interpretation of the scene may be wrong and, perhaps, Daniel, at the present point, did contain this memory and was searching through his journal to come upon that page and remind himself of the impact and meaning of his work and his current setting. Remember, I am only talking about the last shot of Daniel, as his self ( his consciousness) then had experienced different circumstances than that of the one previously seen throughout the show.
The parameters of Lost’s take on time haven’t been fully set out, so it is hard to judge anything yet. So far, the theory presented is ridiculous, but it is quite entertaining.
Comment 140, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The Journeyman wrote:
Can you expound, please?
Comment 141, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lust4lost wrote:
How does this explain the recording?
Comment 142, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Can someone explain to me….if time is slower on the island, then how come OFF of the island the dates are the same??? Or did I miss something???
Comment 143, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
I don’t think time is slower on the island, especially not after what happenned with the time it took for the helicopter to reach the freighter. If anything, time moves faster.
Comment 144, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Same with Perrineau. Once he agreed to do another episode, his sweet deal was that he’d get a starring credit in every episode leading-up to the one that he actually appears in. That way he’d get union scale ($700+) per ep without doing any actual work. When he does show he’ll get at least 10 x Scale. Its been awhile for me. Scale is probably $1,000 now.
Comment 145, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
thats not fair. i live in california and im barely watching the episode and you guys have already watched it :(
Comment 146, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Does this episode explain some of the Oceanic Six? When the hatch explosion occurred, there were serveral who were off the beach away from the radiation, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley - held hostage by the Others. I believe Sayid, Jin and Sun were on Desmond’s boat trying to reach Jack and crew. Perhaps it was not safe for the ones who were on the beach in the vincinity of the hatch to be rescued since they were potentially exposed to radiation and it would not be safe to return given what Desmond experienced and probably all of them would not have a constant. Aaron can return because he doesn’t have any memories of the past but he’s not part of the six.
Comment 147, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Same with Perrineau. Once he agreed to do another episode, his sweet deal was that he’d get a starring credit in every episode leading-up to the one that he actually appears in. That way he’d get union scale ($700+) per ep without doing any actual work. When he does show he’ll get at least 10 x Scale. Its been awhile for me. Scale is probably $1,000 now.
Yall need to quit speculating and bring some hard cold facts to the table
Comment 148, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Last question before bed…
Did Jack ever get an answer as to why it seemed like a day since the huey took off but it wasn’t really that long?
Comment 149, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So this episode does mean that Desmond and Faraday knew each other before the island? Desmond’s dishonorable discharge from the army is a result of going AWOL in order to find Faraday which he was told to do from the “present” Faraday? Am I right to assume this?
Comment 150, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Angel wrote:
option 1: move.
option 2: read fast and go to school on those you are watching with.
:)
Comment 151, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
What is making you such a grumble-bump tonight, Omar, love? Saying that “Michael” is in the credits and “Charlie” isn’t in the credits was not speculation. It was fact.
The remainder of the answer was meant to show that an actor’s credit as star or guest star does not necessarily indicate the “health” or future demise of his or her character, because it may also be dictated by his or her contract.
: ) P
Comment 152, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
option 1: move.
option 2: read fast and go to school on those you are watching with.
:)
i dont understand the second option
Comment 153, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Nice to see a lot of familiar names around here! (Hammer, DocH, lostchika, Toeknee, Tasha)
I’m forcing myself to stay away from all LOST online content… but I couldn’t resist tonight.
They’ve been knocking it out of the park this whole season. Each episode gets better, and tonight was probably one of their best episodes of all time.
Above all, the acting tonight, from everyone - but especially from Desmond and Faraday - was absolutely superb…just downright moving. Emmy-award quality.
Comment 154, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
hurley (#139)
I don’t really get that too much either but I think it has to do with that random mind altering bubble around the island. Both Desmond and Dan broke through it the wrong way or were exposed to something that invoked the effects of what I’m going to call the bubble from now on.
Since Penny is off the island and has never encountered the bubble she would only know the random intrusion Desmond made in her life before disappearing for a few years to disappear on a sailboat.
Daniel is also kind of a different case though- he’s been messing with this stuff for a while so he’s been exposed to all sorts of stuff that others haven’t. It really seems to me that he knew about the island & its effect since he thought ahead of time to write “Desmond Hume is my constant”
Does that make any sense haha? This stuff is all so mind-blowing and not fully explained so I’m just reaching for straws here.
Side note: Hammer where is “Bedtime for Bonzo” from? My mom used to say it to me all the time & I’ve never asked what it was from…
Anyway I’ve been obsessing for almost 3 hrs now. I’ll be back tomorrow for the 800 new posts : )
Comment 155, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Angel wrote:
option 1: move.
option 2: read fast and go to school on those you are watching with.
:)
i dont understand the second option
I think it means, read all the posts and then shock your friends with all the cool insights you have on the episode before it is even over yet!
: ) P
Comment 156, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
skweez wrote:
I don’t think time is slower on the island, especially not after what happenned with the time it took for the helicopter to reach the freighter. If anything, time moves faster.
Umm….Sorry? LOL. That is what I meant. Either way. IT seems that time might be moving faster on the island or off….WOW I am confusing myself!
Time on AND off the island moves differently, am I right or wrong? If so why is the date still the same?
Comment 157, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
>> if daniel has memory problems, how can he remember all this scientific stuff????
> minkoski seemed to have a good idea of what was happening in the present time and past. he could still remember what happened a while back when the wires got cut off when his nose started to believe, right before he died. desmond doesn’t even remember sayid on the other hand and is still alive. so how does that whole thing work????
Comment 158, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I am new to the posts here but love everyone’s theories about what the heck is going on! I would like someone to clarify for me what the journal Mr. Widmore bid on is all about - I missed that.
Thanks!
Comment 159, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
The thing is, Desmond, after the initial time travel on the heli, is actually a consciousness from the past. While Minkowski seemed to retain himself as a consciousness from the present. Why is it different between the two? Who knows. What happened to the consciousness of Desmond that existed before the incident on the heli? Who knows. It doesn’t have to make perfect sense. That’s the beauty of fiction.
Comment 160, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur* wrote:
Don’ assume anything about Penny. My advice. Remember when Des first aprroached Daniel in ‘96 in the courtyard at the Univ. Daniel was affronted and implied that some of his peers or higher ups sent Des there to humiliate or mock him. Des quickly assuaded Daniel, but my first impression was that the Widmore, Hanso, Paik types were behind the Daniel mocking.
The Bonzo ref is in re: to the ’50s movie starring b-movie actor Ron Reagan and a chimp named Bonzo. There were several. Reagan made fun of that thru his political career. Hammer refers to Hammer as Bonzo because Hammer is the next lab animal to go through Daniels experimental time travel (slash death ray) tests. [;^)
lostlaur* = mom was calling the youthful you - a chimpanzee!
Comment 161, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
does anybody know who or what hume is?
Comment 162, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think Daniel broke through “it” the wrong way. I don’t think there is any evidence that he is experiencing any sort of time travel. In fact, I think Daniel’s experience is quite normal.
However, what you have to understand is that the Daniel (and in fact everyone else) that you see at the end is (or should be) a somewhat different Daniel than you have seen so far - based on his interaction with Des. That is not to say I make any assumptions about what happened between the time Des visited him at Oxford and when we last see him - in fact, the time between may not exist (think of an instant of time not as a segment in a line but as a single point - to get from A to C we may not need to pass through B even though B exists). In any case, the Daniel we see at the end DID meet Des. So, he should have knowledge of this in the moment in which we see him. Truth is, he may. However, the way the scene was played by the actor it appeared he didn’t until he came across the note in his journal - which would be inconsistent with Penny’s behavior over the phone - unless this memory was somehow wiped.
Again, it’s sci-fi so it doesn’t really have to make perfect sense.
lostlaur* wrote:
Comment 163, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Angel wrote:
desmond’s last name. :)
Comment 164, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
desmond’s last name. :)
but didnt he write. “if anything goes wrong desmond, hume is my constant.”
Comment 165, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Angel wrote:
All I know is David Hume who was a very important figure in Philosophy.
Comment 166, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I was just re-watching the beginning of “The Constant” and saw the big electrical storm ahead of the helo when -
Whoa!
I just had a major flashback of 28 years when I first saw the movie “Final Countdown” - Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen just North of Hawaii on a USN Carrier. They go thru a massive electrical storm and wind-up back in time - the day before Pearl Harbor - with the chance to launch all the jet fighters/bombers against the Japanese fleet before they attack.
Okay. I’m back now. Nose is a little bloody.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fina...
Comment 167, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
daniel does have locke’s map he drew in lockdown. why????
the beauty of sci-fi, or any fiction really, it doesn’t have to make sense. the good guy doesn’t always get the girl, and the good guy sometimes winds up time traveling in need of a constant among all his variables.
Comment 168, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Time only goes slower when you pass through the bubble. But the phones are in sync, so its confusing. Missile takes off from ship…shows up late. Helicopter takes off from island. Shows up late.
Comment 169, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
hurley wrote:
Well this may be why we see Daniel “practicing” his memory with Charlotte. Maybe they gave him a history of forgetting stuff to explain why he doesn’t remember meeting Desmond in 1996.
: ) P
Comment 170, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Just a thought, but I am wondering if Jack is time traveling too and if what these events we are seeing on the island are already “the past,” so to speak. That is to say that our main characters have gone back in time to be there.
The opening scene of the pilot episode has never made sense to me. Jack wakes up in the woods - nowhere near the wreckage. He is looking up at tall trees that are close together. There is no way he fell out of the sky and through those trees and only suffered that one laceration (the one Kate sewed up). It just seemed like he was placed there or something. And when he woke up, he headed straight for the beach where the wreckage was. How did he know which way to go?
And, of course, Locke always knows when it is going to rain. And didn’t he sort of have a vision of Boone dying before it happened?
I thought some people had theorized a long time ago that the dead bodies in the cave were Kate and Jack. This was based on the time travel/looping thing.
Comment 171, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I have a picture of the guy with binoculars. Too big for Michael. img.photobucket.com/albums/v21...
Comment 172, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Daniel Faraday . . . anyone care to discuss the connection to Michael Faraday, the physicist and chemist after whom Faraday’s Constant is named, and one of the founders of electromagnetism? (Might be too obvious, but I was excited to see the reference).
Comment 173, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
hurley wrote:
Here is a brain-bender. Last week - Charlotte and Daniel doing the three card monty where Daniel has to recite the value & suit of the three face down playing cards. Now the question. Did Charlotte JUST show Daniel the cards? or did she show him 8 years (or any # of yrs) ago? And this is the test they use (repeatedly?) to test Daniel, whenever Daniel starts to lose it or zone out. Kind of like his own personal DUI/sobriety test.
Comment 174, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Ben wrote:
I think its too big to be him unless he gained a whole lot of weight!
Chicago 37- I always wondered about that too. I have always thought that it was all staged at the beginning but it never added up. I have blown it off but you might be on to something there.
Comment 175, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
chicago37: well jack may have known where the crash was bcuz he could hear people screaming (as you can on the episode). it was a miracle any of them survived the crash, like sayid said in one of the first couple of episodes to kate (yes i watch the old ones frequently enough that i remember that). and predicting rain is pretty easy, rain has a smell and jungle man locke can do just about anything on the island (predicting rain is one of his gifts from the island :P).
Comment 176, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
The best episode of Lost and probably the best episode of TV (and I’m a trek fan) ever. Absolutely incredible. I had tears streaming down my face, and I’m bloke. Incredible. How can they top that?
Comment 177, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Anyone think the shot that the communication officer got in this episode was the same shot Sayid got from Ben 2 weeks ago?
If so, does Sayid get affected by the time travel issue, or is this just a precautionary measure by Ben because he is going to send Sayid back to the island.
Comment 178, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
NewHere wrote:
michael faraday was born on….September 22, 1791. lol.
Comment 179, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Equation wrote:
- the 120 mph helicopter took about 6 hours to get to the freighter,
- the 1200 mph rocket took just over a half hour to get to the freighter,
- 669,600,000 mph radio phone call took “X” seconds to get to the freighter?
(Answer: 0.003871 seconds)
I thought I noticed the difference.
Comment 180, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
This has to be one of the top episodes ever. If you didn’t get choked up at the end with Penny and Desmond you just didn’t get it. First series that I’ve ever watch that started great and then kind of sucked and then has come back to be one of the best show out there.
Comment 181, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Evan wrote:
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DocH wrote:
- the 120 mph helicopter took about 6 hours to get to the freighter,
- the 1200 mph rocket took just over a half hour to get to the freighter,
- 669,600,000 mph radio phone call took “X” seconds to get to the freighter?
(Answer: 0.003871 seconds)
I thought I noticed the difference.
What’s up, Doc? Having fun with your calculator, I see. But seriously…good comments this week. That’s what you should be doing–keeping everyone in line utilizing your mad googlin’ skills.
Comment 183, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
-I didn’t really think about this until right now, but when Rousseau’s exploration ship or whatever it was crashed and everyone died from a “sickness”, what do you think the chances are that the sickness was the sort of thing des experienced.
Comment 184, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Oceanic flight 815 crashed and the passengers are all dead. Their consciousnesses, however, are somehow trapped in the time warp that is associated with this Island.
Comment 185, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Well this may be why we see Daniel “practicing” his memory with Charlotte. Maybe they gave him a history of forgetting stuff to explain why he doesn’t remember meeting Desmond in 1996.
: ) P
Again, the Daniel we saw before the last scene of this episode HAD NOT met Des. Only the Daniel we see at the very end HAD met Des. So, it would be impossible for him to have remembered or forgot Des when he first arrived on the island because that interaction hadn’t happened yet. It appears time is not a continuous line in Lost and that moments in time can be altered by other moments in time. There is no fatalism here - the future can be changed.
Comment 186, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
>When Charlie got in touch w/ Penny did it look like she was in her apartment?
>What’s up with Penny’s pop leaving the water on in the bathroom?
Comment 187, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I think there is some significance that Desmond’s left eye looks slightly bigger than his right eye in 1996. Might be that his mind travel caused the right side of his brain to trigger a growth in his left eye.
Comment 188, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I just thought of this… I wonder if Frank and Sawyer are related? They look very similar….maybe a little too similar????
Comment 189, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
If you go back to the scene in the auction house, take a long hard look at the crowd. I’m positive Naomi, Anna Lucia and Charlie are sitting there!
Comment 190, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
OTHER BIDDERS
does anyone have a screen shot of the auction scene? I’m pretty sure BEN and Ms Hawking are both there. Ben is on the opposite side of Widimore, back row, isle seat. He has a pony tail. Hawkings is directly in front of him.
A screenshot would be greatly appreciated. Thoughts?
Comment 191, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
JabaModern wrote:
I definitely don’t see any of them there. Maybe Ben and Hawkings. Do you have a screen shot of the audience head on?
Comment 192, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
got one:
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here is a closer looks.
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Comment 193, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Great episode.
The Auction scene was cool; I love villains and Penny’s Dad seems like a good fit. Nice painting of the Ship.
I like the Chopper pilot too. Seems like a good guy trying to help the Losties. But he seems a bit scared of the Ship Crew; is he the one who opened to door for them?
Why is the Ship crew too dumb to post a guard?
LostChicka; Have you ever been to Oxford?
I’m sure they care a lot more about brains than haircuts…I’ve seen plenty of freaks at big colleges.
Charlotte is one super bitch; condescending and catty.
I would have slapped her silly when she started telling Daniel to shut up. I’d bet she and Miles are a couple as they both have smart mouths and keep secrets. I’d keep her ass tied up; she can’t be trusted at all and she is sure to cause trouble.
I’d separate her and Daniel; ask questions, and if I didn’t believe her…I’d give her just one more chance to tell the truth before she got her own Miles Style Sandwich. (…enjoy your breakfast!)
I bet Charlotte and Freckles go at it soon. Or maybe a cat fight with Sun…or….?
I miss Jin and Sun…come on…more please.
If I was on the Chopper that landed on the ship I’d be asking about food pretty quickly. Don’t these folks get hungry?
Comment 194, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Here is a brain-bender. Last week - Charlotte and Daniel doing the three card monty where Daniel has to recite the value & suit of the three face down playing cards. Now the question. Did Charlotte JUST show Daniel the cards? or did she show him 8 years (or any # of yrs) ago? And this is the test they use (repeatedly?) to test Daniel, whenever Daniel starts to lose it or zone out. Kind of like his own personal DUI/sobriety test.
Daniel did say that the side effect was different for everyone. When he first landed on the island Jack asked him who he was and it took about 3-4 seconds before he gave his name. Like he couldn’t remember it. He could be “remembering” the cards from sometime in the near future. Perhaps Charlotte deals three cards and then Daniel “remembers” what they will be when they are turned over.
I was wondering why Desmond would be Daniele’s constant since he told Des that the constant had to be something very important to you but I guess it’s because Des helped him with his research.
Toeknee, It was next Thursday 31 minutes ago. We now have to wait for it to come around again.
Comment 195, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
mike wrote:
Absolutely…possible. LOL
Comment 196, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
FMGreen Steve wrote:
Sorry you’ve been hiding, you were always helpful in the past.
Comment 197, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lostlaur* wrote:
I’m strugglin to remember if it was TV show or just a story book. But Bonzo was a monkey and that was the catch phrase for him to go to bed.
Comment 198, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So just trying to put it all together. Widmore buys the book, finds out about the island and what’s going on there, sets up Dez to end up there(don’t know why yet). Dez goes missing, Penny decides that she needs to find him…
Faraday’s card game was one attempt to stop the side effects, then Dez comes along and he realizes that’s his constant. Also, he is the “mad man”(one of the four Naomi tells the Addenon(sp?) she feels shouldn’t be going on the trip). So he is assumed crazy because of the conscience time travel. (Is Hurley doing the same thing or is he really nutzo?).
I agree with an earlier post that the virus is not virus but the side effect and the injections are an attempt to fix the side effects but obviously don’t completely work.
Comment 199, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
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I think the time from for the jump was short for the card game…similar to the one hour deal for the mouse.
Comment 200, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone know how many episodes we will have left? Thanks!
Comment 201, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Shane -
I love that movie, and it never even occurred to me that Penny being an anchor might homage to the penny in C. Reeves’ pocket that blew the whole thing in the movie. It was one of the most beautiful movies I’ve ever seen.
I’m also anxious to see what is in that journal Widmore bought and how it might relate to Penny finally finding Desmond.
Peace.
Comment 202, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer & Lostlaur:
“Bedtime for Bonzo” was a flick from 1951 starring Ronald Reagan and a chimp (Bonzo).
D
Comment 203, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
omar wrote:
Comment 204, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
how does penelope have the same phone number for 8 years
I’ve had my phone number for the past 20 years. Why would she change her number?
Comment 205, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Wow! It’s like Star Trek! I think Widmore is totally evil and definitely knows all about the island, Black Rock, etc. I’m thinking maybe Abaddon is working for Widmore. Perhaps Ben is the good guy trying to protect the losties and the island. Sorry, but I’m afraid our Des is a dead man walking.
Comment 206, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I think a dead Des and more is why Faraday is bawling in his fast forward.
Comment 207, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
intolost wrote:
I think it was a flash back.
That being said, maybe he time travels and appears to blank out while doing it.
That would account for his caretaker.
And when he was crying, it was because he had just time traveled to somewhere that involves the island story and he just “came back”.
Comment 208, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
hurley wrote:
Well this may be why we see Daniel “practicing” his memory with Charlotte. Maybe they gave him a history of forgetting stuff to explain why he doesn’t remember meeting Desmond in 1996.
: ) P
Again, the Daniel we saw before the last scene of this episode HAD NOT met Des. Only the Daniel we see at the very end HAD met Des. So, it would be impossible for him to have remembered or forgot Des when he first arrived on the island because that interaction hadn’t happened yet. It appears time is not a continuous line in Lost and that moments in time can be altered by other moments in time. There is no fatalism here - the future can be changed.
I’m not so sure that your conclusion is accurate, that the future can be changed. Daniel had to have met Desmond, in order to record in his notebook that Desmond is his Constant.
If you buy into the future can not be changed then it does not matter how they interacted prior to Desmond getting on the heli. If future can not be changed, Faraday will figure out that his radiation exposure machine will work eventually, whether in 1996 Desmond tells him or not.
As it stands he thinks that Desmond is the key to him understanding how his radiation machine worked, so Desmond became important to him, and at some point after their encounter he realized that Desmond should be his Constant.
Comment 209, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
How do we know it’s really 2004 on the boat? Only because of the calendar on the wall!
This could have been planted there to confuse Des.
And when he called Penny, it was Xmas eve, right, but nothing to say it was 2004. In his conversation with Penny there is no mention of dates or time.
Comment 210, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
mlc wrote:
We don’t know what his dishonorable discharge is for yet. I don’t think he went AWOL to find Farrady, he told Penny he had 2 days leave and he was going to go see her. He then went to see 1996 Farraday.
Comment 211, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Bruno wrote:
The short answer is that writers in podcasts said that everything (save flash forwards) is taking place in 2004.
Comment 212, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So when Desmond goes back in time and inhabits his own body, he goes and talks to Penny.
When he goes back to the current time, does his conscience self of 1996 realize what happened?
I don’t think so, which means Desmond didn’t know he had met Daniel before, but Daniel did.
What I mean is, only one of the consciences, either the one from 1996 or the one from 2004 could perceive what was happening at the time and it was clearly the one from 2004. The one from 1996 must have been blacked-out.
Comment 213, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Not much time, but I don’t think this has been mentioned yet:
Des destroys the hatch
Des escapes by sailboat, comes back after hitting a big storm
Des begins to see the future
Des leaves by heli, begins to see the past
Comment 214, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I am interested in the previously mentioned “vile vortices” idea. The map on wikipedia show the places on the globe where they are supposedly located and there is one on either side of the continent of Australia, one near Madagascar(where the Black Rock journal that Charles Widmore won in auction was found), one near Antarctica(polar bears), and one near Tunisia(where Charlotte found the polar bear skeleton with the Dharma tag). Very interesting…
This was an awesome episode. The scene with Des and Penny on the phone was so moving…I love their love story!
I still do not understand why Charles Widmore hates Des so much…it just seems more than you’re not good enough for my daughter. Did anyone else think it was weird when they were in the bathroom at the auction house and when he was done washing his hands, he left the faucet running…did he know that it would do something to Des?!
I still stick with my thought from last week that Miles was Ben’s “man on the boat”. Their conversation was not really about extortion but they were talking in code. They both have that ghost whisperer thing going on and maybe got in contact that way, which is why Miles asked Ben if he knew who he was.
I think maybe there are two different factions on that boat…the scientist guys and Frank(who is there because he feels some kind of responsibility because he was supposed to be the pilot of 815) and the tough guys who I think work for Charles Widmore.
Great episode!
Comment 215, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Andrew wrote:
no becuase then who opend the door to let them out of the clinic
I think Ben’s spy on the boat is BEN. He probably has the ability to choose when he goes back in time, and he’s jumping all over the place. I don’t know. I’m at work… bored and tired. lol.
Comment 216, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone else notice that Sayid has a scar on his left arm through some of the episode of the Economist(when on the island) but not in the future when he is with the woman that he killed. I also noticed that he had the scar in this episode. Does this have anything to do with the time travel?
Comment 217, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
“…Again, the Daniel we saw before the last scene of this episode HAD NOT met Des. Only the Daniel we see at the very end HAD met Des…”
I think it is the other way around. Daniel had met him and even noted his name in his journal.
Desmond had not met Daniel yet because his 1996 conscience was blacked out when the 2004 conscience took over and met Daniel.
Comment 218, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
IMO, last night’s episode that centered around Desmond was the most brilliant since the LOST series began. Brilliant writing. I can’t even begin to comment on what all of it means…nor will I attempt to hypothesize about it! I’m just along for the riding and enjoying the heck out of it!!!!
Comment 219, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Tim wrote:
I hadn’t thought of things like that, but now that you mention it, Desmond of 2004 SHOULD have known who Farraday was,as Farraday was the impetus of him naming Penny as his Constant. Surely the crazy set of circumstances in 1996 would have stayed with him.
The only explanation I can come up with, is the effects of the heavy exposure to electromagnetism, when the hatch exploded, affected his memory, but they just didn’t really talk about it on the show.
Comment 220, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Bruno wrote:
Hmmm. She did say she had been looking for him for three years. She did see him sometime in 2001, so she might have started when he first went missing on his sailing adventure. Perhaps she started looking on December 24, 2004, when she didn’t get the call she was expecting?
RGS (#211) The podcasts did talk about it being 2004, but I thought, as usual, D&C were a little guileful in their answer! *g*
: ) P
Comment 221, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Great that we finally see something about the Black Rock! Next up, some info on the 4 toed people who made the statue.
Comment 222, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
Comment 223, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Hmmm. She did say she had been looking for him for three years. She did see him sometime in 2001, so she might have started when he first went missing on his sailing adventure. Perhaps she started looking on December 24, 2004, when she didn’t get the call she was expecting?
RGS (#211) The podcasts did talk about it being 2004, but I thought, as usual, D&C were a little guileful in their answer! *g*
: ) P
It is Lost and now that time travelling consciousness is involved…who knows. But my question would then be, how did they know Desmond was going to go into the room with the calendar? Why would they pick 2004 as the year that they need to fool him with, he wasn’t on the plane crash, and they supposedly didn’t think there’d be any 815 survivors to link that up with?
Comment 224, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
rdizz 222 Brandon and Minkowski went to look for the island on a boat. He said as much, when they returned the time traveling stuff started happening to them. Brandon ended up dying quicker (not exactly sure how he died).
Comment 225, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
And the time travel can also explain how Mikale can come back from the dead.
Comment 226, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I thought the creators of the show dismissed all of this time travel stuff (except for Desmond).
Now if this is going to become widespread, doesn’t that mean they lied or mislead us?
Either that or we are theorizing to much about time travel in this show.
Comment 227, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lust4lost wrote:
you must also be new to LOST…
Comment 228, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
des and faraday havent met in the past untill they met on the island sort of a back to the future thing it has to happen in the future and changes the past
Comment 229, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
How long have the Losties actually been on the island? We know that on the island the helicopter was gone for a day and a half, but in reality only about twenty minutes. We also know that when the rocket with the clock was shot from the boat to the island it was over an hour behind schedule.
Based on the time that past on the island (36 hrs) since the helicopter left and how long it actually took the helicopter to get to the boat (20 min), does that mean that in the world outside of the island Flight 851 crashed only approximately 21 hours ago?
There’s some holes in this theory based on things that have gone on in the outside world between the crash and now. Thoughts?
Comment 230, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
They must have known Des was on the island. Why would Naomi have had a picture of him and Penny?
Comment 231, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
This is from 3 years ago but…
lostisagame.com/articles/debun...
“I don’t think we’ve shown anything on the show yet … that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and … things being in a place where they probably shouldn’t be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn’t any time travel.”
Comment 232, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Pete wrote:
Why do we know the helicopter has only been gone in “our” world for only 20 minutes? I think CircusM or one of the Lauras, and I agree with it, that the time loss only occurs when you are passing in the “bubble” that surrounds the island. So for instance, it may take 18 hours to get through the bubble via air.
Comment 233, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Gr..I wrote this lengthy post and the internet ate it. I hate you internets…
RGS: I think you’re on to something! However, I think that though the universe “course corrects” the people involved still sort of need to be involved in the course corrections for the sake of continuity. I’m not sure why, but mostly I think its to avoid paradoxes.
On Headings: Nautical Headings are directional navigation tool. If someone is at point a and wants to get to point c they would head south. If the same person were at point b and wanted to head to point c, they might need to head southwest. This is why longtitudinal & lattitudianl coordinates are so neccesary and helpful. They are more exact points than directions. When these two tools are used in concert, accuracy in enhanced.
On Time Bending: I think the mental deterioration we witness of the Desmond, Minikowski, & Daniel is the result of the consciousness time travelling. The brain compartmentalizes the experiences in such a way as to allow the brain to decompress and not effectually “implode” from the effects of the travel. This has got to be related to the sickness Rousseau mentions earlier in the episodes. The question becomes, why some and not others?
I also think getting to the island is sort of like looking at those 3d image opitcal puzzles. If you stare at them long enough and relax your ocular muscles you begin to see the hidden image, but as soon as you blink or look away you lose it. However you get it back when you look again and it takes less time to find the image.
LAA meeting soon guys?
Comment 234, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I still think it is some type of dimensional thing which ties into time travel. Maybe in a different dimension time is different or moves differently. During the first part of the episode I felt that way because Des kept “leaving.” He even said that. He told his friend that he left. Daniel asked where he was. Not only could it have been time travel but the question could have been “where” as in “what dimension.” The mind was traveling back and forth between two different times and worlds. In one world he had met Daniel in the other he hadn’t.
Yeah I know….a little far fetched. I am not getting a degree in physics….I am trying to get a degree in communications so I don’t know much about this kind of stuff.
Comment 235, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Several things:
The injections given are two different things (one clear, one yellow)…I had the impression that Sayid’s shot was supposed to be a numbing agent before removing the bullet…and Minkowski’s was a sedative.
RE Doc H 173:Excellent idea with the cards…and how long ago he was supposed to remember them from…since Charlotte was the one that put out the cards, it had to be a test from the not to distant past (assuming Charlotte and Daniel have only known eachother since this venture)
RE JD 146: LOVED the idea that only some can go back because of the exposure to radiation (and thus Sayid, Jack, Hurley, Kate Jin and Sun COULD go back) (as could Sawyer but I think he chooses not to). This might help explain why Jack is so upset about Aaron…Jack thinks Aaron should have stayed with Claire (who can’t leave)but Claire asks Kate to take Aaron back to have a normal life and kate agrees..
Great episode….Hey Laura*…could you decifer those equations Daniel of Oxford had on his blackboard?
Comment 236, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
New to the blog - Love the theories - We have yet to meet the woman (Regina?/Naomi’s sister) who supposedly received satelitte phone calls on the freighter (same boat?) and launched the missile in Dan’s time test. She may also have some answers.
Comment 237, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Oh and I was thinking….regarding pregnant women on the island. We don’t really know why the mothers and babies die, but could it be an affect of the radiation or electromagnetism? They do not travel through the bubble though. But womens hormones whack out when pregnant….could this have something to do with like the rat dying? I remember Claire’s nose bleeding anyway.
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lostlaur* 77: i think that the exponential thing was that once Des got off the island and the sideeffects began to kick in exponential manner: he was travellign into the past more frequently(and soon he would completely loose his ancor and would not be able to distinguish between pasta nd present and if he could not realign past and present through the constant he would die like Malinawski)
lost chika 78: you said that you thought that Daniel is like Des. I disagree. I think Daniel knows how to helo Des as he has been studying that stuff (so he gave Des the instructions on how to realign past with present and overcome the side-effect), Daniel doe snot have the side effect, but he knows about it and therefore writes himself a note we see at the end (in case he expereinces the same side effect)
Hammer 114: agreed. And this is not ‘trime travelling’ as such, it is more like a ‘time disorder’ side-effect: they cannot control when they gonna go and they’ll die if they do not figure out a way to realign past and present.
skweez 137: significance of Des being Daneil’s constant is that a) Des has been through the side effect and daniel sucessfully helped him to realign past and present and overcome it so Des knows what side effect is and expereinced how it can be overcome b) Daniel is aware that he may expereince the same side effect too (he was exposed in the past through his work to radiation) and he knows that Des will be the best constant for him in case side eefects happen
Hurley 159 & 162: agreed
i thought that the episode supports the assumption that there is some kind of difference in the way time passes (it took heli a lot longer to get to the boat than island time expectations)
there is gonna be a lot me of ‘competing loyalties’ ahead: Ben got his man on the boat, Frank seems willing to help Sayid, i think Malinowski was helping Sayid and Des, Sayid will join forces with Ben, in the preview we see that Locke and Ben will have ‘we have common enemies’ talk - alliance talk perhaps. I expect a lot more to be revealved about who is really in whose camp…
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Gigantopithecus wrote:
I’m starting to believe this theory…
Comment 240, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Omg best episode ever! I love how the writers timed it to Christmas Eve, like the episode was a big present for us loyal viewers.
mlc - Yes, I do think that is why Des ended up in the guard’s prison for going awol to see Faraday at Oxford
DocH- The cards do seem to be a way to test Faraday’s memory or status or mental functioning. I was also thinking it may be a way for the tots to check the effects of making it to the island somehow.
Freckles & adriennez- It did seem strange that Widmore left the water running. I think for some reason it was on purpose to make Des go forward/backward in time subconsciously.
I think Widmore knows alot about the island and seems to be very close to making connections via the journal. Why would Widmore give Penny’s address away unless he thinks Penny would reject Des, and thereby ending their relationship. Maybe Des and Widmore will come face to face (past Dec. 24 2004) and Widmore too will travel in time subconsciously.
I totally dig this form of time travel. Although it does remind me of movies like “Somewhere in Time” it also reflects people’s cognitive functioning. Like people with advanced Alzheimers think its 1942 and there in a nightclub when they are really in an assisted living center’s locked unit. You can’t convince them otherwise about the date and if you do they get really upset and cry or yell. Also there have been cases where brain surgery was being performed and people’s memories became vivid when a neurostimilator instrument touched a part of the brain.
Charlotte is not a nice person. I hope she gets whats coming to her like Ben did.
Also this episode makes me think what happened with the explosion where Des was exposed to the radiation. The whole sky lit up and it seems almost everyone was exposed. Especially for Locke since he was also close to the radiation. Ecko and Charlie were there but died (too bad) so we don’t know who else was affected. It seems that since Aaron was an infant that same dose of outside exposure would affect him more so than the adults. I hope he’s okay when he gets back to the states.
Totallyloved the dialogue between Penny and Des, so sweet. We needed something like this since this season’s other episodes haven’t been so fairy-tale-ending like.
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Josh wrote:
it said ” if something goes wrong desmond is my constant”
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DOCH(132): i think that daniel and minkowski are simply listed as guests because they are bigger stars than miles and charlotte.
miles and charlotte both seem like such smart asses…and i still think miles and ben are in cahoots. esp. after miles said he doesn’t wanna leave and is exactly where he wants to be.
this ep. was AWESOME, and affirmed a lot of theories we’ve all been sharing. but the only thing that baffles me is whether it’s 12/24/04 with penny.
i was almost CERTAIN that time was different on the island, as they’ve mentioned before. the difference of the rocket clocks by almost x 10 would mean that 90+ days is really 2.5ish years, explaining how walt could look taller if he got off the island, and explaining how frank didn’t seem wonder why jack would mention the red socks 100 days later. the sox had just one another series in 07. and we KNOW that the bearded jack future flashes take place in 07 because of the date on the newspaper article.
i can wrap my head around everything else, but is it really 04 in penny land? i can understand if the freighter is on island time; those guys obviously aren’t clued in on whatever the chopper folks know.
then again, it seems like the freighter folks thought daniel was crazy. he was previously referred to as a head case.
at first i thought that minkowski was leonard from the crazy house with hurley. even though he’s not, i STILL think there’s a sam toomey connection. sam used the numbers at a carnival to guess the beans in a jar. then later got in the freak accident.
minkowski mentioned a ferris wheel…(carnival)
lastly,
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First time blogger…I seem to recall that Ben had a nose bleed either early this season or late in the last season. This may indicate that Ben has the side effects of time travel and why he knows how to manipulate people so well. When the plane crashed, Ben ordered “files” on all passengers meaning that maybe some of the “others” can also time travel. How else would Ben/”others” know such details about the passengers. I also remember from posts past that some thought the writers would somehow incorporate the Tsunami on Dec 25, 2004 into the story. We will see.
Comment 244, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
BTW, side effects of radiation include memory loss.
additionally, radiation affects dividing cells which is what a fetus is filled with…the radiation may affect the ability of women to remain pregnant..also affects development of capillaries (hence bleeding).
Why wouldn’t Dr. Juliette know all this? (oh, maybe she didn’t know that the island was filled with radiation…)
Don’t know of an injection to counteract radiation effects…
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Tasha wrote:
in regards to why pregnant women lose their children: a possible theory may be that if island time is slower than non-island time, then babies concieved on the island grow at a slower rate. thus delivering baby at 7 or 8 months perceived time, is really only a month or two island time and the baby is not developed at all. those conceived and/or born off of the island age at a normal pace i.e. ben and aaron. that is also why ben seems to be aging and richard alpert (born on the island), for example, is not.
just a thought.
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i just skimed the posts so im just puting this out there and sorry if someone already said this but, did anyone notice that there was a blcok rock ship on the island and there was also a block rock diary? and also why did mr. widmore leave the sink running in the bathroom, not a normal thing to do after washing ur hands..
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bruno(209): i like the idea of the planted calendar!
somethings i forgot earlier:
a lot of things reminded me of “through the looking glass”. minkowski said something about the blinking yellow light/answering the call. my next immediate thought was “IS CHARLIE REALLY DEAD?!?!?” …even though i think he is. but still. i explored the “what if he’s not”/time travel thing, and thought of the greatest hits episode where he helps nadia from getting mugged. she said that no one else stopped, and it’s almost like he knew to go over there…i dunno. maybe that’s a stretch.
i also thought of mikhail…how what if HE’s the man on the boat. and what if the sonar fence exposed him to something that could make similar things happen to him as des and dan. again..maybe a stretch.
so what’s up with the cable-cutting?! whoever did that was not only trying to eff with the communication but also make a statement with it. seems like that might be outing yourself if you were trying to lay low.
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Comment 248, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Minkowski tell Desmond that he looks a lot older now when Desmond is looking in the mirror.
Maybe Minkowski realizes that Desmond is time traveling forward in time and thinks he looks a lot older when he looks in the mirror at himself.
We all assume Desmond is time traveling back in time but maybe he can travel forward as well.
Maybe when he travels back in time into his 1996 body, his 1996 conscience travels forward at the same time.
That may explain confusion of the various time travelers during the 2004 timeframe.
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JD wrote:
I really like this possibility… especially since I have a feeling Sawyer isn’t gonna make it. That leaves 6 plus Aaron and it works out nicely.
Des can survive and not be part of the 6 since he wasn’t on the plane…
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Not only do the mothers lose their babies but the mothers actually die.
Comment 251, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
and also why did mr. widmore leave the sink running in the bathroom, not a normal thing to do after washing ur hands..
I think the water running was just for effect, to show the time-lapse with desmond jumping from that time to the future/present. leaving the tap running showed how quickly he came in and out of consciousness, and how much time went by between “leaps.”
i really dug the concept of time travel as a conscious thing, not a physical thing. i thought desmond finding daniel in the past was a little marty mcfly/doc brown, but in a good way. gotta love sci-fi and how anything is possible. i just hope the time-travel concept doesn’t stray too far from all the other key questions we need answered about this show, like why the plane crash? why these people? why have the others? how did ben get so powerful? and how are they all connected?
love live lost!!
Comment 252, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Lost Fan…I said this up in Post 214…I think it was really weird too…who just leaves the sink running. Maybe Widmore knew it would somehow affect Des?
Comment 253, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
This episode? Vonnegut. Slaughterhouse-Five?
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Okay this is off the subject a little bit. But Rose had Cancer and decided to go off of radiation. TH eplane could not have possible taken that coordinate onto the island…or could it….or does it not matter since there was a bubble when the hatch was still there?
Anyhow, could this be the reason why she is healed? Those who have been exposed to radiation have wierd side effects. I really doubt that NOBODY else on the plane was not exposed. Maybe Locke was with him being paralyzed? Jack was a dr, he must have been exposed to radiation at some point….. Maybe why he has hallucinations?
OMG! MY MIND IS FRIED!
Comment 255, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So fried I just realized all the typos I had in my comment…hope everyone gets what I was TRYING to say!
Comment 256, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
sorry to say, but that is not ben in the auction room, get a better set of peepers
Comment 257, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
this episode, the economist, and confirmed dead are all among the BEST episodes of lost EVER!!!
mike (183): good idea, but i think the only way you can get what des & minkoski got if you leave the island. but then that doesn’t make sense if daniel has it, so i guess you could be right. i love the idea, but i think they had that thing they gave claire
freckles (186): i thought she was in her apartment too. was desmond in the apartment in flashes before your eyes too????
tasha (230): possibly bcuz she’s been calling them constantly according to george.
i looked at the screen caps on dark ufo. there’s no ben, naomi, anna lucia, charlie, or mrs. hawkings there.
everybody seems to tell daniel to stay quiet - miles, frank, charlotte - why? bcuz he’s got whatever issue? daniel seems like an important character more & more each week. oh, and you should look at the screencaps of daniel’s book it’s very interesting.
so which is better bonzo or lost????? hmmmm….
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Evan wrote:
LOL! Agreed. and it’s not mrs. Hawkings either.
Comment 259, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
“I refuse to acknowledge the idea that Sawyer dies because he is my biggest person-who-doesn’t-really-exist crush.”
Mine too! I love him. Named my baby after him! (seriously…) :~)
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FMGreen Steve wrote:
Hey FMGreenSteve - we miss seeing you around here, but glad to see you’re enjoying this season as much as the rest of us!
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lostlaur* wrote:
Hmmm, this comment sure made me feel old
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Angel wrote:
There was no comma between desmond and hume.
Comment 261, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So all we have to realize is that when Daniel or Desmond go back in time, their consciousness from the time they go back to actually goes forward to the current time.
Their consciousnesses actually switch times.
Therefore he is confused when he is on the helicopter and freighter because his consciousness changes from current 2004 to 1996 and he doesn’t realize what is happening.
When Daniel starts crying after seeing the wreck of the Oceanic 815 a few episodes ago, his body was being inhabited by his consciousness from a time that he was aware of some connection to that flight.
Comment 262, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
I can’t believe I read the whole thing! Keep coming with the good thoughts. I was most interested in the auction of the journal from the Black Rock. It probably contains more writing about someone who traveled like Desmond and Faraday. Once Widmore reads it, this leads him to exploit the island.
Best line: Sayid, in response to the questions about if he can fix the communications room: “I’ll need a minute.”
Second best line? Anyone?
Comment 263, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
murrayhead wrote:
It goes something like this….
The journal belonged to one of the crew members, named Hanso, on The Black Rock, the slave trading ship from the 1800’s that is currently located in the middle of the island. The auctioneer said that the Black Rock was lost at sea so apparently noone knew what happened to it. The Hanso that wrote the journal is an ancestor to Alvar Hanso, of the Hanso Corporation, which sponsored the Dharma Initiative. The journal somehow appeared in or near Madagascar, and was being auctioned off. I’m sure a better explanation could be found at Lostpedia.com.
Comment 264, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Erin wrote:
**Attention Lostblog associates, we have a Sawyer Stalker in aisle 259. Please approach with care***
Comment 265, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
If Widmore was willing to pay over 300,000 pounds for the journal, he must have had a very good idea that its contents were important. He probably got all sorts of inside knowledge of the island from reading it…
Why do you think he gave Des Penny’s address? Seemed unlike him. Unless he really thought Pen was over him and wouldn’t see him, and that might make Des give up on her?
Comment 266, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Joel wrote:
Lol, I felt a missing line was when Sayid (with gun in waist) asks Frank for the phone and Frank asks for the gun. I believe Sayid should have stated, “Perhaps you misunderstood me, GIVE me the phone.” *flashes gun*
Comment 267, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lust4lost wrote:
Earlier in the conversation, Mr. Widmore told Desmond something like Penny hates him. So the “she can tell you herself” was in reference to that.
Comment 268, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
If I’m a Sawyer stalker, might as well make the aisle number something more relevant… #23 or 42, for example!
I’m not a stalker. I just love that character and think Sawyer is a cool name. Suits my little guy (though let’s hope he grows up to be less messed up than our Lostie Sawyer!)
RGS wrote:
**Attention Lostblog associates, we have a Sawyer Stalker in aisle 259. Please approach with care***
Comment 269, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Actually, when I was at the health unit to get baby Sawyer’s immunizations, met a couple there who’d named their baby Desmond… So, I’m not the only one!
Comment 270, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
nakira wrote:
Comment 271, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
gosh. the ending with penny and des was just INCREDIBLE. those two make jack and kate look like ……… well, let’s just say i know about eloise.
easily the best episode ever.
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Watching the previous ep i believe that Daniel could see the future. We only saw the cards after they were down and then Charlotte says 2 out of 3 ain’t bad. I think its not his memory she is checking, but in the previous two attempts he knew the cards that ne never saw. so maybe he knows what the cards are without ever seeing them, but gets it wrong on the try we see. His exposure to the machine at Oxford gives him some effect of seeing the future, when he goes through the time warp(force field)and possibly he starts mentally time traveling in the coming eps.
Going through the coordinates doesn’t affect anyone unless they have been near electromagnetic device(Des) or radiation(why ben couldn’t leave the island for chemo, because he knew he would start jumping in his mind to the past).
If you don’t go directly at those coordiantes then you go through a time warp(mental). Minkowsky and the other guy don’t go through and they start time traveling. The rocket goes through different coordiantes and the time is off on the two clocks. Sayid and the Pilot are fine and time is the same for them.
Happy for Des and Penny(almost shed a tear).
Best episode in a while. I would go through the time warp if it allowed me to see next weeks ep sooner, i dont care if i get an anyurism.
Comment 273, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
272: i think the cards stuff is DEFINITELY a memory thing and not about predicting them. i also wonder if he’s “seen those cards BEFORE”/been there before.
lostpedia says this: Back at the beach, Daniel and Charlotte are conducting a memory experiment with DHARMA playing cards. After being timed by Charlotte, Daniel can only remember two of three cards and, contrary to what Charlotte says, he feels he is making no progress.
i also wonder about his line to jack…paraphrasing: the time you’re fretting about your friends’ arrival is not the same amount of time they’ve been gone.
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Comment 274, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
i mentioned earlier that i think george has a sam toomey connection. sam used the numbers at a carnival, and george was momentarily “on a ferris wheel.”
anyone?
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Comment 275, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Hmmm. She did say she had been looking for him for three years. She did see him sometime in 2001, so she might have started when he first went missing on his sailing adventure. Perhaps she started looking on December 24, 2004, when she didn’t get the call she was expecting?
RGS (#211) The podcasts did talk about it being 2004, but I thought, as usual, D&C were a little guileful in their answer! *g*
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I think it’s definitely 2004 in Penny’s time. In that phone call, one of the first things Des said was “You remembered!”, and if it wasn’t 2004 she would have said something in reference to it not being 2004, like “Remembered!? You said you’d call me 3 years ago you lying *$#^*#@”
Comment 276, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Hammer, I’m thinking about the point you made about Charlie and how this all relates to JD’s point (146). If Des had 2 timelines and he was expereincing both of them and they were competing (it was hard to say which once is present because he was living both when they occured), so if Charlie somehow during his death got the ’side-effect’ in such a way that Charlie in the present had died (one timeline) but Charlie in alternative timeline is still somewhat alive (maybe like a ghost). So Charlie’s ghost manifestation is a form the side-effect may take if you had two timelines but died in one of them? maybe the side-effect then inables him, despite his ‘death’, to appear in the world whereas the side-effect kills people who have two active timelines. I know this is confusing, don’t know if i managed to communicate this… what do you guys think? Could this also have something to do with wispers?
Comment 277, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Erin wrote:
That episode put be back on my “red herring” website I mentioned a few weeks ago. Now I have to consider it again. Besides, when I did the WHOIS on it, it said it was created in March 2006, while the specific Hanso page appears to have been created in 2005. It has to be related some kind of way, because some of the names on it we weren’t introduced on the show yet. Of course calling the number gave me a voicemail.
Anyway I type all that to say, that may be why Widmore was interested in the journal.
Comment 278, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
desmond’s been on the island 3 years, and penny’s been looking for him for 3 years, but we don’t KNOW that those are the same three years.
there was definitely 5 years from when she was pissed about him to when he did the boat race. i wonder what would make her change her tune…why she’d even wanna research the island in the first place.
Comment 279, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
ROFLOL. I truly laughed out LOUD. You are SO right!
Admittedly, my memory of past episodes is not as good as I’d like, so I put this out there as a supposition. There have been a number of times where the Losties and the Lockies have been separated and so, for example, most of the Lockies have not seen Daniel or Frank. (Is there a reason for this? Does one of the Lockies KNOW one of them?)
And in fact, there have been lots of times when the Losties have been divided into two (or more) groups when something significant has happened. We rarely see the Losties discussing what I deem to be important story elements (”Jack, did you SEE the sky turn strange colors and HEAR the high pitched SCREAMING sound?” or “Kate, you wouldn’t believe it but Locke actually BLEW up a submarine and ruined yet ANOTHER chance of getting of this island!” for example).
I wonder how these separations will play into future episodes and / or answer our questions. It won’t happen EXACTLY the same way, but I expect given how clever the producers are, we will see a sort of “Sixth Sense” twist that will ensure everyone will buy the complete series on DVD so that we can rewatch every episode to see them knowing the “new truth” that will be revealed at the end.
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Comment 280, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Been a lurker here for about 2 years. Finally have something to add. Charlie was Desmonds constant last season, only he found his constant in the past, when he ran into charlie on the street.
Comment 281, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
‘The Constant’ reminded me of some key aspects of Victor Frankl’s ‘Man Search for Meaning.’ One of the major ideas from Frankl was how love can sustain people through anything. In his case it was a concentration camp. Perhaps love is the Constant in “the Constant.” This is what will sustain Des through his time travel.
Comment 282, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
On the whole Charlie thing - if you recall, when the hatch blew up, he was there too, and his hearing was affected. So let’s say he had a touch of what Des had BEFORE his death….but we never saw those scenes. If you’ve ever read “The Time Traveler’s Wife” you’d see a similarity. In the book, the protagonist travels to the past and future…though he dies young - he still manages to visit his wife when she’s very old because he did so before he died. That would mean that Charlie could have visited Hurley at the mental institution (season 4’s opener) before he died because he saw the future and traveled to it. That would explain two things: 1. Why the other guy at the institution was able to see Charlie (meaning, he wasn’t a figure of Hurley’s imagination or a ghost), and it would explain why Charlie said, “I am dead, but I’m here too.” Just a thought.
Comment 283, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
lostfan wrote:
Excellent observation and point!
Comment 284, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Some responses to posts above.
- Radiation that Desmond had was when he turned the key and blew up the hatch.
- Charlie is dead. Period. He’s not traveling anywhere in time. Whatever Hurley saw, it wasn’t Charlie time warping.
- Faraday has memory loss because of the radiation he was exposed to when not putting protection over his head when doing his experiments in the past
- Ben must already have knowledgeable ways to manipulate the islands time travel capability
- Oceanic 815 crashed on 9/24/2004. Sayid notices the calendar to be 12/24/2004 - exactly 3 months in the real world. On the island it’s day 10_? So there is definitely a time descrepancy.
Comment 285, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Mike L wrote:
On the island it’s day 94. Oceanic 815 crashed on 9/22. Based on that, there’s no discrepancy.
Comment 286, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
So is everyone on the island time travelling? If everyone on the island is time travelling and trying to find a constant to keep them alive, that would explain many of the characters’ connections to each other in the past for example Jack and Desmond meeting on the stadium stairs. Although now we don’t know whether the “flashbacks” are really flashbacks or flashforwards.
Jack can walk now, but couldn’t walk in his “flashbacks.” It would make more sense that those “flashbacks” were really flashforwards to when he’s no longer able to walk. Just a thought.
Comment 287, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
any four word phase
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got one:
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the woman on the left, short white hair, looks like isabel (the other) lostpedia.com/wiki/Isabel
yes?
Comment 288, posted 1 year, 4 months ago - Quote and reply
Is the Dharma Initiative a time travel experiment lead by Daniel Faraday?
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