No offense, Nick, but I’d consider that picture from “The Brig” a pretty big spoiler.

Thanks Toeknee, the image has been removed.

Naomi Dorrit (like Little Dorrit, good job Lost Chicka) had a heavy posh British English accent when she spoke english to Hurley in Catch 22. I wonder if this is further indication of her connection to Penny, a posh Brit lady herself and less of a connection to the men in the listening station.

I may have overreacted a bit, but the picture showed something we haven’t seen before. It’s not a major spoiler, but I personally wish I hadn’t seen it. Also note that the 4th bullet under “Leave a Reply” says “No spoilers or discussion of episode previews!”

Great observation sir.

One might say that the title of the episode “The ****” is a spoiler - arrgh matey. I thought the pic was okay, just a preview, didn’t spoil a thing. A spoiler is something that answers an open question. The picture was simply a tease - not an answer to a question.
Some could say the name Naomi is a spoiler too. We don’t even know her name yet - in the course of the story.

Other 218 - I pretty much agree with what you are saying here, and as always we will do our best to toe the line of preview vs. spoiler with these posts.

I really just hope the episode tonight lives up to the hype!

I really just hope the episode tonight lives up to the hype!

I am sure it will surpass all the hype. This is Round One in the Battle Royale that is the sweeps/ratings month of May (at least in the U.S.). If I were producing LOST, this ep would set the tone for the final eps of the season. I wouldn’t answer many big questions tonight, but I would “set the scene” to have the big questions answered in the coming weeks (along with more big questions - per std LOST formula).

I caught this on my fourth watch through:

Naomi Dorrit (like Little Dorrit, good job Lost Chicka) had a heavy posh British English accent when she spoke english to Hurley in Catch 22. I wonder if this is further indication of her connection to Penny, a posh Brit lady herself and less of a connection to the men in the listening station.

I just noticed that today too. It was a very pronounced accent, I’m surprised no one brought it up on the comments to D.O.C.

I caught this on my fourth watch through:

Naomi Dorrit (like Little Dorrit, good job Lost Chicka) had a heavy posh British English accent when she spoke english to Hurley in Catch 22. I wonder if this is further indication of her connection to Penny, a posh Brit lady herself and less of a connection to the men in the listening station.

thank you very much.

- i really hope sawyer shoots cooper. i’ve been waitin 3 friggin seasons for this moment & if he doesn’t shoot him cause he’s to soft now, i will scream! he better shoot him!

- i think Jack’s working with the others. if i had the choice between living in a real house and a make shift tent, i’d pick the real house. between real food - a hamburger we’ll say - & oatmeal, i’d pick the hamburger. between being protected by the others or being killed by the others, well i think u know what i’m gonna say. And jack is a doctor, i think they probably have another medical mystery & they want him to help. he was with them for like a week & God knows what they did to him.

- who cares about the pictures? they’re not telling u anything!

I wonder why Locke said he cant kill Ben and needs Sawyer to do it

I don’t think it’s Ben they’re talking about. Locke says something about taking “him” from Ben’s tent, but I think “him” is his father/The Real Sawyer rather than Ben, and obviously that would explain why James might be up to the job. Also it implies Locke escaped from The Others rather than being set free or having had the ability to leave of his own free will (because we don’t really know the circumstances for his being with them since they disappeared).

The Dickens reference in Naomi’s last name along with The Others’ guns and cages infer some sort of prison and I’m wondering whether it’s meant to be metaphorical or literal. Could the Island be some sort of prison reform experiment? The smoke monster a sort of judge and executioner (though that still doesn’t explain what it is or how it exists)? The other sci-fi aspects of the island (higher sperm counts, fast healing, no cancer til Ben) some sort of experimentation being conducted by The Others on The Losties, who themselves would then be the prisoners? Or if not a prison, a sanitarium?

Sorry for the rambling post and apologies if this has been discussed before elsewhere.

Tina wrote:

I caught this on my fourth watch through: Naomi… had a heavy posh British English accent when she spoke english to Hurley in Catch 22…

I just noticed that today too. It was a very pronounced accent, I’m surprised no one brought it up on the comments to D.O.C.

The ‘posh’ english accent the actress Marsha Thomason has is her own, from Northern England (think Daphne Moon from Frasier). Lancashire/Manchester accents aren’t necessarily considered as ‘posh’ as they are considered ‘working class’, like Trebiani from Brooklyn, “hey… how you doin’?”.

I don’t think it would fit Locke’s character to kill his own father.
It just wouldn’t be right.

I think the idea that Jack is working with the Others is silly. Jack wouldn’t do that…it’s just not the type of character he is.

Loved the episode, though.

I’m going to believe CC and DL when they say it’s not purgatory. I’m going to assume that Locke didn’t actually imagine Cooper into being, and say that Cooper was actually kidnapped by the others.

The question then becomes–why did they kidnap him? And why did they all want him dead so badly?

Was it really just a test for Locke? Or was it more than that??

Great episode, tonight. Can’t wait until next week!

- yes!!!!!!! yes! yes! yes! i knew they wouldn’t make me wait 3 seasons just to watch Locke kill the ole bastard instead or sawyer!!!

- y does danielle want dynamite?

- i luv how ben turns julliette in to Locke & locke gives it all away to Sawyer. But y is ben telling locke about julliette’s mission?

- Kate is the stupidest love sick b**** in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!! Y the hell would she do something that stupid??!?!?!?!? Cause she’s a love sick puppy! I HATE her now. forget it. she should be preggers, probably is, & should definitely die! i can’t believe how dang stupid she is!

- I would just like to say: I told u so! ( I know, very childish) Jack is working with the Others & he knows as much, if not more, than Julliette. Oh and for the record, I really don’t think that the Jack we see now is a poser. It’s Jack & he’s being a traitor to the 815ers. Jack is saying to many weird lines to Julliette to not be working with the Others.

- Sawyer better get there fast & beat the crap outta Julliette & Jack before it’s to late! Sayid is welcome to help too. Oh, and they can beat Kate up too. And Naomi.

- I can’t believe that Sayid is actually gonna trust Naomi! She’s from Dharma. Don’t care what they tell us. Untill she has her own flashback episode that tells me she is who she says, i don’t trust her or believe her. She’s LYING! She’s dharma or an Other.

- I luv ben. I know he’s a SOB but he is awesome. He’s hard to figure out. I think that’s what makes a good character, being complicated. That would be y my favorite characters r sawyer, locke, ben, sayid, & sun.

- best lines: sawyer’s “after you’re blow up everything that could get us off the island tour” line.
Cooper (that SOB) calling ben bug eyed. Lol.

- so I’m still confused here. Does locke want to be one of the others or help the losties? He tells sawyer about everything he knows, but he’s going to go back & say he killed cooper to be one of the others? He’s so confusing & I luv it. (being confused).

- locke having to kill his daddy to get in with the others confirms that in order to get into the others little group u first must kill. So julliette killing pickett was how she got into the group (if u ask me).

- ethan & the dude who recruite julliette can go to & from the island.

- how many times did sawyer use the SOB phrase in this ep? He’s back to his normal self. Killing, cussing, & bein a plane ole badass!!!! sawyer the badass is back! HALLELUIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- we missed the scene where Locke blew up the Black Rock.

Questions That Show How Dumb I Am Sometimes:
- y the hell was Sawyer throwing up?
- so is naomi Australian? She said mate. & apparently she wa in the coptor alone.

Questions That Show How Dumb I Am Sometimes:
- y the hell was Sawyer throwing up?
- so is naomi Australian? She said mate. & apparently she wa in the coptor alone.

- Sawyer blowing guts: It was his lifetime goal, his quest, the essence of his soul to wreak revenge on this person that destroyed his life, his family. Plus Cooper ripped up his letter - his link to family. Rip up the sole thing that means the most to you - see how you feel.
- Aussies, Scots, English, Welsh, some Irish and some Canucks use “mate” frequently and freely. No biggie there.

by the way, Hurley is getting too fat…I wonder if Jorge Garcia’s health is okay. And Sayid’s nails are waaaaaaaaaay too long!

agreed. sayid needs nail clippers & hurley needs to go on the crash survivor’s diet. now, let’s get back to the episode at hand.

1) y does danielle need dynamite?
2) Sawyer is back to his badass self. buh-bye Mr. sensitive hello Southern BadAss! How many times did he use the SOB phrase?
3) Jack & Julliette ARE working with the Others. I’m telling u. Jack has had to many creepy lines with Julliette to not be. They’re not working to protect the losties. They’re working to take all the women with the Others an make sure it’s done safely.
4) Y did Ben hand over that tape & all the information over to Locke?
5)In Order for u to become an other, u must first kill. Locke had to kill his daddy or at least take credit for it to get into the club & Julliette killed Pickett to get her first backstabbing mission.

Did I hear this or not? Did I hear Locke say to Sawyer that there are three pregnant women at the camp that the others are going to kidnap? Three? I can count 1,2, but 3?

No, they’re gonna take ALL the women in THREE days.

lost chicka wrote:

Questions That Show How Dumb I Am Sometimes:
- y the hell was Sawyer throwing up?
- so is naomi Australian? She said mate. & apparently she wa in the coptor alone.

- Sawyer blowing guts: It was his lifetime goal, his quest, the essence of his soul to wreak revenge on this person that destroyed his life, his family. Plus Cooper ripped up his letter - his link to family. Rip up the sole thing that means the most to you - see how you feel.
- Aussies, Scots, English, Welsh, some Irish and some Canucks use “mate” frequently and freely. No biggie there.

thank u for clearin that up for me (i can be reall dumb sometimes :> ).

ooooohhh. yikes. ALL the women. I don’t like the sound of that AT all. Thanks for clearing that up for me, lost chicka.

welcome.

Christine wrote:

Did I hear this or not? Did I hear Locke say to Sawyer that there are three pregnant women at the camp that the others are going to kidnap? Three? I can count 1,2, but 3?

No, they’re gonna take ALL the women in THREE days.

Oh dear. I don’t like that at all, not AT all.

Unless they’re martians… (RE: Old “B” movie, Mars Needs Women)

Ok, I think I am on to something here, although I cannot explain everything.
I am starting to tend towards this might be a part of a cult, a religous one. At one scene Lock approached Ben while Ben was reading a book quickly hiding it as Lock approached him. Could it be a bible? Can we assume Ben is a priest trying to start something? Some time ago I remember seeing AnaLucia finding preist’s clothing and a bible in a cave - can that be Ben’s?
Sawyer - His real name is James. His motehr’s name is Mary. Can it be that it is an analogy to st. mary, Jesus’s mother? Can it be that Sawyer is the ONE who ‘brought’ Lock’s father to the island and he was the one supposed to kill him? Can it be that James is supposed to take place as Jesus in the eye of the cult?
3 women are pregnant - I think one of them is Juliette (I am sure someone allready mentioned this before)?

GREAT theory!!!!! luv it! Sawyer wants revenge more than ANYTHING else in the world, & he got it.

but i’m confused here. does locke want to be one of the Others or just want to know the islands secrets? does he want to help the losties or hurt the losties? he’s so twisted. i can’t ever figure out if he’s good or bad.

What about Des though? He also seems to be on his own path.

I don’t trust Sayeed at this point either. I don’t think that we have been given a reason to.

- Why plant Danielle right in the middle of that episode unless she has a big role to play? What is she going to blow up with the dynamite? Perhaps trying to get her daughter back? She’s going to play a part in the finale I think.

- Ben definitely seemed to be manipulating Locke to kill his dad. In the preview for next week, however, Ben looks surprised when Locke plops his dead dad down. Perhaps Ben really did try and set Locke up to fail because he’s worried about Locke taking power/control of the Others? The question is, was Richard giving Locke the file on Sawyer legit (i.e. Richard and Juliette want a change of leadership) or another part of Ben’s manipulation?

- Juliette says “I hate you” to the recorder–I think she legitamately does. She’s still playing along with Ben’s wishes because she still desperately wants off the island. She also said to Kate, “we should tell her” and Jack says “not yet”–this is either the fact that Kate is pregnant, or that those two have some sort of plan up their sleeves for when the Others come back for the women, i.e. Juliette has told Jack she’s a plant and they’re going to con the Others. We’ll see. Or Jack’s just being duped.

- Patchy absolutely came running way too fast when he saw that flare–he knew someone was coming with a flare gun and that person would have a means of communicating with the outside world. Naomi is definitely part of the Others or in cahoots with whatever other organization is trying to get back in touch with them after the “sky turned purple” and they lost all communication. But why dupe Desmond? And why show Penny and the people in the communication ship at the end of season 2? And if Naomi was planning on dropping in and giving Patchy the satellite phone, why didn’t it work right away? Not sure about this one.

Can’t wait for the next few eps to finally answer what’s up with Dharma and the Others!

but i’m confused here. does locke want to be one of the Others or just want to know the islands secrets? does he want to help the losties or hurt the losties? he’s so twisted. i can’t ever figure out if he’s good or bad.

I agree with bigfan. Locke started on a coordinated infiltration mission. Jack knew that Locke was ‘going in’, and I believe that Juliet may have known too. Jack and Juliet are in cahoots in support of Locke, but they don’t want to reveal too much too soon to the Losties [That is going to come back & bite Jack in the butt in the next few eps]. Cooper was Sawyers’ lifetime quest, but Cooper was the quest for many of Lockes’ adult years - Sawyer could kill because he had killed before (recently) - Locke could not because “I’m not a killer”. How was Saywer lured to Australia, someone claimed (falsely) to know where conman Tom Sawyer was. (he was baited onto 815).
- And what was the deal with Richard Alpert? - giving Coopers file to Locke so Locke would go get Sawyer to do the murder. And bad-mouthing Ben behind his back? Genuine, or was it bait as well for Locke? (provided by both Alpert & Ben).

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- Ben definitely seemed to be manipulating Locke to kill his dad. In the preview for next week, however, Ben looks ********* ***** **** *** **** *** ****.
- Juliette says “I hate you” to the recorder–I think she legitamately does.

- No comments about previews allowed here, plz - thanx. ROE posted in the guidelines on this page.
- Juliet says “I hate you” about Ben. BUT she had just turned OFF the recorder. So no one except her knows that. I think she hates Ben too, that is why she is truly aligned with Jack now, ‘cept NO Lostie believes she is on their side but Jack (maybe Locke knows too).

Any theories on what Juliette wanted to tell Kate that Jack did not?

my guess is her & jack are working undercover like lock but like jack said dont tell kate yet.. they have a masterplan they are working

i know y’all want to find out that jack & julliete r really good people but i just don’t think so. jack & julliette keep on having these really wierd lines almost like they’re laughing at how easy it is to con the 815ers. Jack was with the Others for a week after Ben’s surgery (i keep on repeating this). They probably ate cake in front of him going “u want it, help us.” (& i mean that metaphorically). Jack has changed. He started out as basically the hero, but now he’s picked himself over his plane crash buddies (ex. doin surgery on Ben in order to get HIMSELF off the island. not him & the 815ers or just the 815ers but HIM). i think Julliette wants to tell Kate that she could be preggers & wants to test her. OR diabolical plan here: jack & julliette r gonna say “we have a plan to get u all safe & kick the Others butts” but magically Ben & friends r gonna show up & take everybody prisoners but 3 people: Jack, Julliette, & Naomi. i just don’t like jack, & think he’s with the Others & i’m very stubborn.

i think Naomi was sent by dharma. Dharma lets the Others live on the island or think that they are still in control of the island. 2 hatches blow up & the sky turns purple so Naomi is sent by DHARMA to investigate. They’re using Desmond’s love of Penny against him. THey know he’s been in one of the hatches that blew up & want to know y he did it so they’re gonna use his luv against him. Patchy knew that DHARMA would be coming soon since MR. John Locke blew up the flame & was searching for her.

& about Julliette sayin she hates Ben. u can hate ur boss but luv ur job. she hates ben, but luvs the mystery of y u can’t get knocke up on the island.

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I agree with all the guidelines, but in fairness, some folks just saw DOC for the first time tonight, just before The Brig. You know how some get all excited, and the two episodes kind of blend together, and… well… I can see how one might directly cite a DOC moment, particularly if they are using their DOC observation to directly support a statement they are making about The Brig. Even the blog police will allow a little leeway there (I hope). AND kind and helpful is always the most important guideline.

I wonder if Ben didn’t let John see where the tape recorder is on purpose, so that the Losties *would* realize that Juliet is a mole. In other words, perhaps Ben is intentionally allowing Juliet’s cover to be blown. Why would he do so? Beats me. But he seems way to smart to just leave the tape recorder sitting around.

thanks sheriff.

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I agree with all the guidelines, but in fairness, some folks just saw DOC for the first time tonight, just before The Brig. You know how some get all excited, and the two episodes kind of blend together, and… well… I can see how one might directly cite a DOC moment, particularly if they are using their DOC observation to directly support a statement they are making about The Brig. Even the blog police will allow a little leeway there (I hope). AND kind and helpful is always the most important guideline.

They aren’t my rules, and I’m certainly no sheriff, I just like to keep things fair for the majority of the people here. It’s no secret that the reason most of us have attached ourselves to this specific Lost-site is because we feel safe from spoilers here.

The main thing that bugs me is redundancy. 100 quality comments are worth far more than 200 comments with same information.

Anyway, this is not the proper place for this sort of discussion, back to The Brig.

…there are only 4 hours left of Season 3!

why would naomi tell syaid “remeind me not to save you.” how would she “save” him. she all messed up right now…unless its a time travel thing she knows about and can come back later????

i know! reason no.1 y i don’t believe her.

how come we didn’t get to see locke blowing up the black rock? or what danielle was blowing up? does she have to get it so her & the rest of the others can get into the new-old place? no, i don’t think she’s one of them.

cooper had it comin with the way he was actin about connin Sawyer’s (sorry, i’ll NEVER be able to call him James) mama. I really liked Cooper callin ben bug eyed. finally a good line from that SOB!

when Ben & Locke left the room where cooper was, Tom (or Zeke, or what’s his name?) stayed in there with him. What did he do with cooper? Surprised nobody’s mentioned that yet.

D&C said in the podcast that Patchy didn’t die & we’ll see that in a flashback episode.

no. sayid told kate to not tell anyone. anyone includes the 2 people who nobody trusts right now.

PS: As far as what D & C proclaim in the podcast. The have gone back on (lied about) a few things in the past. Maybe not “lied” but have stretched the truth, or gave partial twisted truths. No one should incorporate the podcast into their theories. The podcast is NOT the show.

And if you have to kill someone to be initiated into the Others, who the heck did mild-mannered Cindy kill to be not only an Other but the apparent caretaker of the children?

I think we’ve gotten to a point where everyone is playing everyone else. No one can be trusted at this point. Others, Losties, Rousseau, Naomi…everyone is telling some sort of lie.

the plane was brought down by ben, he imagined it, just like cooper was brought by locke, the other plane is a farce, planted, lot’s of money in the whole magical island biznass i am sure of that, or at least good investors.

roussoue- will blow something up, prob. to protect losties, or blow the camp

lock does have his own mission, he respects the island, no one else does, he knows been does not, so he wont stand for it

juliette and jack have a plan and jack is still good, he cant go bad, he’s jack

the others kidnapped cooper, caused the accident, etc. brought to the island, he slept the whole way just like julliete.

I don’t think that Sayid trusted her at all…even when he got his new toy. He has no reason to trust her anyway, especially since she told him she wouldn’t rescue him anymore. Who knows…maybe this is the beginning of another Sayid romance!

NO! it’s nadia, shannon or nobody! =) no, it would be nice for him to smile again. i don’t htink he’s smiled at all this season. he has a really nice smile (hehe). Oh, i know what’s going to happen! He’s goin to start thinkin about Nadia alot & she’ll show up in “the box”!

it would be totally like Ethan to give an evil smile right before takin somebody to the island.

I don’t think they’re in Hell, i think that’s jus how Cooper sees it. If it ain’t purgatory, i think hell is out of the picture too. I’m stuck on the Blackwhole theory.

Panda:
my thoughts exactly about Danielle & the dynamite. I’ve asked that question already too. Nobody’s answered it for me either. :(

i know y’all want to find out that jack & julliete r really good people but i just don’t think so. jack & julliette keep on having these really wierd lines almost like they’re laughing at how easy it is to con the 815ers. Jack was with the Others for a week after Ben’s surgery (i keep on repeating this). They probably ate cake in front of him going “u want it, help us.” (& i mean that metaphorically). Jack has changed. He started out as basically the hero, but now he’s picked himself over his plane crash buddies (ex. doin surgery on Ben in order to get HIMSELF off the island. not him & the 815ers or just the 815ers but HIM). i think Julliette wants to tell Kate that she could be preggers & wants to test her. OR diabolical plan here: jack & julliette r gonna say “we have a plan to get u all safe & kick the Others butts” but magically Ben & friends r gonna show up & take everybody prisoners but 3 people: Jack, Julliette, & Naomi. i just don’t like jack, & think he’s with the Others & i’m very stubborn.

i think Naomi was sent by dharma. Dharma lets the Others live on the island or think that they are still in control of the island. 2 hatches blow up & the sky turns purple so Naomi is sent by DHARMA to investigate. They’re using Desmond’s love of Penny against him. THey know he’s been in one of the hatches that blew up & want to know y he did it so they’re gonna use his luv against him. Patchy knew that DHARMA would be coming soon since MR. John Locke blew up the flame & was searching for her.

& about Julliette sayin she hates Ben. u can hate ur boss but luv ur job. she hates ben, but luvs the mystery of y u can’t get knocke up on the island.

i agree with you about jack being an other, i’m not sure if it’s just the actor or Jack himself, but he always looks like he’s hiding something, i think it’s his eyes, they look so strange, like he can see right through someone

that kinda sounds crazy but whatever

- when kate told jack about naomi, all he cared about was how she was in contact with her ship. that’s it. not that the 815ers don’t trust him which could really screw up the long con ben is planning. him & julliette looked at eahc other when kate told him about noami. Naomi is definitely NOT working for penny that’s just her cover, she has something to do with the long con (which really is what Lost is, little cons & long cons).

- like stormclouds13 said, it’s every person for themselves now. jack (as i’ve repeatedly said) chose to try & get HIMself off the island by helping Ben. Ben now knows how he can get jack & julliette to do his every wish & is going to say he’ll get them off the island again & again. Ben has this little thing played out so Jack will still think he’s the boss, after all that’s how a good long con works: the person gettin conned thinks the plan is their idea.

why would naomi tell syaid “remeind me not to save you.” how would she “save” him. she all messed up right now…unless its a time travel thing she knows about and can come back later????

Its called sarcasm,she said that because Sayid was questioning her and inferring she was a liar.She would “save” him by getting him to the boat offshore.Come on ,follow the plot a bit better that that please.

Coopers idea that they are in hell seems like an attempt to bait some of us down the wrong path.

We are getting baited down the wrong path - by the producers. They are teasing us with all of the ‘purgatory’ theories that are being pushed on the net. Cooper said its “getting kind of hot down here”, referring to hell. Then he teased “maybe that’s not where we are” [pp]. Implying that they were in purgatory, or maybe limbo, or whatever other levels there are between heaven/heck. All of the talk about “everyone on 815 died” that Naomi and Cooper have espoused lately, sure adds to the mis-information that is being pushed on us, and now the Losties.

is it just me, or is Sayid only trusting Naomi cause she has a new cell phone for him to play with? in the tent he didn’t trust her till she pulled out the radio & then he goes “ooh! a new play toy!” & suddenly he trusts her? what are they doing with sayid!!!???

Sayid trusts no one,hes playing dumb as usual,and hell,he took the phone to mplay with because he wants to get home as bad as anyone else right.

and… i think sayid sent kate to tell jack. it looks like she did it impulsively, but that is a classic move we’ll find out about in a flashback!

Exactly right,mama Sayid didn’t raise no dummies

Danielle gets what? a 45 second cameo. Locke is non-chalant, points to the explosives, WARNS her that the dynamite is “unstable”. Hmmmm, I can only imagine what her target, but maybe, just maybe, with unstable mitro, she accidently blows herself up… Cooper is gone, maybe Danielle goes (blows) next.

I see Rouseau straping on the ole suicide be