Who do you think is in coffin?

I don’t think we have enough information to determine that yet. But with what we do have, I’d say either Michael or an unseen as of yet character.

First. I am pretty sure that this is a hurley centric episode, not jack like implied in the original post.

Second in a podcast with damon and carlton last year. They revealed that “the coffin” scene was originally shot (or intended to be) with locke in it. However, they later decided not to reveal this. Maybe they changed their mind. But, either way, i think locke should be a top potential for consideration.

- who’s in the coffin? i say either michael or walt. michael’s to easy to guess, and walt is a bit more shocking. most likely michael tho, i think.

- it’s not jack’s wife antoni g. his wife was at the hospital after jack almost jumped off the bridge. i guess she could be in the coffin, but i doubt it. very, very unlikely.

- and i think the real reason why he wanted to get back home was so he could go to the hospital and fix people, but then he didn’t have enough to fix, and/or he messed up really bad his first time getting off the island (leaving people behind? letting them die? killing them? they’re all unhappy when they leave the island?)

- less than 2 hours till the show begins!!!

michael, walt, or somebody who rescues them.

I did not realize it was John Locke’s eye that popped up in the window to Jacob’s house…aah! So cool! He’s been chilling with Jacob…I guess Jacob gives him orders now instead of Ben.

I am wondering why Hurley said he was sorry for going with Locke. What happened to those with Locke? Are they in further danger? I believe that must be the case. I think Jack and them feel guilty for leaving their friends in peril.

The Oceanic 6: Hurley, Jack, Kate…and three missing (could Walt and Michael be two more?)

Overall, wonderful episode. This ep obviously predates the flash forward of the finale of Season 3 since Jack was not yet obsessed with going back and gave us the clue of him wanting to grow a beard.

The question is: what sparks Jack’s sudden frantic need to go back? Does Charlie appear to him, too?

Awesome episode…really excited to see next week!!!

Tip: If you can watch this with DVR, do it…pausing and rewinding makes it a much more pleasant experience!

However whoever is in the coffin has to be one of the ’six’ that left the island (per Hurley’s commment). I figure 4 of the six are: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer. not sure who the other two are. With that said, Ben most likely didn’t leave the island so that would keep him from being in the coffin. I just negated my original theory. :P Now i’m back to square one…..I have no clue who is in the coffin. Gotta love LOST!

Ok, my thoughts

At the beginning, when Hurley was in the car chase, we saw Jack drinking. i think he is already wanting to go back and was lying to hurley about being back to work

also, i think jacob’s house moved when hurley saw it maybe b/c locke broke the ash circle around the house. i know everyone talked about that ben maybe kept jacob trapped there with the ash, and locke is now fulfilling jacob’s request to “help me”

finally, what the hell did charlie mean when he said, “i’m dead, but i’m also here”? where is here?

also, one question, i don’t have dvr so i couldn’t rewind, but when hurley has his first visitor in the mental hospital, the “oceanic atty”, what did the man whisper to him right before he left? i think he said someone wasn’t dead, but i didn’t catch it. thanks for the help!

- begining…awesome!!!! loved it! jack to hurley. hurley’s freakin out again.

- yeah jack, is already drinking, but i think he goes down slow. i think he knows he has to go back too, but he doesn’t want to admit he’s wrong so he’s in denial.

- this show is starting to get depressing. depresing past, depresing present, and depressing future. not much to look forward to. but it’s SO depressingly addictive! =]

- nobody else said this: jack is a would be killer!!! he pulled the trigger to kill locke!!!! luckily it wasn’t loaded, but jack is not Mr. Nice Guy anymore now is he?

- i’ve decided the last episode ever of lost will have the oceanic 6 back on the island (crashed, landed, however), jack (or whoever) will say “we’re home.” they’re meant to be on the island…and i believe in happy endings. first ep of the fourth, and i’m already predicting the end when there’s a writers strike!

- so if hurley decides to stay on the island, how does he get off??? why does he leave locke’s group?

- what can’t they (oceanic 6) tell? what are they lying about? what happened to the rest of their group? where the island is? what happened on the boat? everything that happened on the island? WHAT????

1) Anyone else notice Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair this time? I’ll post a screen capture at some point tomorrow, but I am about 100% sure that is who Hurley saw

2) Charlie showing up nearly blew my mind - except that we all know Hurley is crazy

3) Hurley’s apology to Jack about siding with Locke throws another wrench in the puzzle as it relates to what happens

4) How intense was it when Jack pulled the trigger - Lost rules.

I am not sure but I think it has something to do with Echo, And that other guy who Lock spoke to when he was in the tent working on some potion… that time he couldnt speak… anyway. When they all came, they had a message. SO I guess they come when its important. OR Jacob can transform into anyone who has died? OR Jacob helps them come back when needed?

Maybe “not out boat” means only a select few can go?

what are your thoughts?

yeah, and jack saw his dad. ecko saw yemi (that’s how you spell it right?) a couple times and ana lucia. charlie saw his mum (not sure if she’s dead, but still)…

Thanks

1) Anyone else notice Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair this time? I’ll post a screen capture at some point tomorrow, but I am about 100% sure that is who Hurley saw

I think you’re right…I also remember seeing JOhn Terry’s name in the credits but nowhere else in the episode

I agree – looked like Christian sitting in Jacob’s chair.

To Becky – I don’t think that was Locke’s eye in Jacob’s cabin – Locke has blue eyes, this eye was darker.

After seeing 3000 commercials for it, I don’t think I will ever give Eli Stone a chance.

Interesting that Ben truthfully told Jack that Kate took the phone, as opposed to playing mind games. Or perhaps this is the set up for future mind games – if he occasionally tells the truth, people won’t think he’s always lying.

Nice touch by the writers- Jack told Hurley he was thinking of growing a beard, and Hurley says he’d look terrible. I think this was an acknowledgement of the numerous complaints about Jack’s fake beard in the season 3 finale.

“Oceanic 6” – it will be interesting to see if other Losties choose to stay (probably Locke, Rose & Bernard) or if they got killed. Or maybe some got off the island but have to live under a new identity or in a sort of witness protection. I’m thinking specifically about Kate – she was wanted for murder. I can’t imagine she’d be allowed to go free upon returning to the US. Maybe this is part of her agreement – she’s set up with a new identity in a new location in exchange for keeping whatever secrets need to be kept.

a couple of observations that i don’t think are that impressive, but may prove to be so. The island/jacob seems to be pretty adept at manifesting forms that interact with our losties. i am under the impression that hurley’s conversation with charlie was in fact with a manifestation of the island. to broaden this a bit, after hurley’s conversation, he tells/asks jack to go back to the island. I betcha that we’re gonna see jack talking to his father about going back to the island, as jack was drunkenly referring to his dad still being around during (what we believe is, previous flash backs may possibly flash forwards) the first flash forward from the finale of season 3.

something else i was thinking about was, what would the point be in running away? so if every stayed in one spot, they’d be killed by dharma people/outside influential people/frigatees. Locke was definitely told that people would be killed if they would stay as this was his goal. so by leaving, locke and gang will be protected? i am getting the impression that the island, four toed dude, or some other force is going to make itself present because i am not exactly sure what else can protect locke and gang from the intruders. or stuff.

It seems that on the island he is starting to become delusional – he really did see Jacob’s cabin, but he witnessed some creepy things there and may have thought he imagined it all. Then his mind plays tricks on him and makes him think he’s seeing the cabin in a different location. He closes his eyes, and the cabin’s gone, so he’s sure he’s starting to go crazy. This is one instance of Lost where it makes perfect sense that one character (Hurley) doesn’t tell another character (Locke) what he saw (Jacob’s cabin).

My guess is that he feels guilty about whatever happened on the island, and feels guilty about lying about it, and this is contributing to his mental breakdown. Charlie represented his conscience, telling Hurley that he has to tell, and “they need you”. Maybe some people are still held on the island against their will? Or maybe Charlie’s referring to Losties who got killed, and he’s saying that justice should be served.

I also wonder if Hurley denying knowing Ana Lucia is part of the cover-up. Can’t talk about murders, can’t risk a full-blown investigation.

Sorry for being so wordy. Thanks for reading, if you made it this far.

This may not be the best place, maybe someone can direct me. My dvr cut off when the parachutest asked “Are you Jack?” How much did I miss or please direct me to a site where I can see or discuss the est of the episode.

Thanks

That was the basically the end of the episode. This episode will be repeated next Thursday at 8 pm

Austin, did you see something interesting the very last frame of the Oceanic teaser? There was!
Don’t want to spoil it for our west coat viewers

but i still need to know, who did he tell hurley was not dead?

also, i feel like the writers paralleled hurley’s interaction w/ oceanic atty and charlie: in both, someone walks up to hurley and tells him someone wants to talk to him/is staring at him

i know the writers like to trick us, but it may be that they are actually suggesting that charlie is really there, not just a figment of his imagination, b/c we can probably believe the nurse was truthful that the atty was really there to speak to hurley

or, i’m just reading too much into this, hmmm

How did Locke know that Charlie wrote “Not Penny’s Boat” on his hand before he died/not-really-dead-died?

Remember? When Locke finds Hurley (Hugo! Why is everyone calling him Hugo now?) right after Hurley sees Jacob’s Moving House? Locke offers “Not Penny’s Boat” before Hurley says anything.

Did “Only-Mostly-Dead Charlie” visit Locke too?

Oooooo….

Does abc.com still put new eps on the site the next day?

F$#k!!

I have a question -

How did Locke know that Charlie wrote “Not Penny’s Boat” on his hand before he died/not-really-dead-died?

Remember? When Locke finds Hurley (Hugo! Why is everyone calling him Hugo now?) right after Hurley sees Jacob’s Moving House? Locke offers “Not Penny’s Boat” before Hurley says anything.

Did “Only-Mostly-Dead Charlie” visit Locke too?

Oooooo….

Presumably Hurley and Locke had a lengthy conversation discussing all that happened

when charlie (who had brown hair in the clip) said “they need you” i’m thinkin the people who stayed on the island. it wasn’t needed, it was need. and they, as in more then one.

episode will be up tomorrow hammer. i’m rewatching it.

now what is it they have to lie about?

I want to puke…just got home to watch it on DVR. Direct TV DVR took a shit…it’s in the To Do list as “not recorded”…banging my head against the wall.

Does abc.com still put new eps on the site the next day?

F$#k!!

Damn! My deepest sympathies, dude! I think it will be on ABC.com eventually, but I don’t know if it’ll be tomorrow. It will be on next Thursday again, but that would suck if you had to wait until then.

Presumably Hurley and Locke had a lengthy conversation discussing all that happened

But…there wasn’t time! I’m mean, there was Hurley laying in the grass saying “There’s nothing really there” (or whatever he was saying) and then the light from Locke’s torch, and then suddenly Locke’s talking about Charlie’s death and “Not Penny’s Boat”!

Locke knew. He knew…

also, one question, i don’t have dvr so i couldn’t rewind, but when hurley has his first visitor in the mental hospital, the “oceanic atty”, what did the man whisper to him right before he left? i think he said someone wasn’t dead, but i didn’t catch it. thanks for the help!

The Oceanic attorney asked Hurley “Are they still alive?”.
I really don’t think he’s Yemi. I think that’s a big stretch.

Toeknee wrote:

Presumably Hurley and Locke had a lengthy conversation discussing all that happened

But…there wasn’t time! I’m mean, there was Hurley laying in the grass saying “There’s nothing really there” (or whatever he was saying) and then the light from Locke’s torch, and then suddenly Locke’s talking about Charlie’s death and “Not Penny’s Boat”!

Locke knew. He knew…

But I think there was a commercial after Locke first appeared. The next time we see them Hurley’s sitting up and they’re continuing their conversation. D&C have said many times that they think it makes for boring TV if they show one character telling another character about some events that the viewers have already seen.

haha, happened to me all the time. i believe the video’s get posted at about 3 am so you might have to stay up for a bit. and someone can prove me wrong, FlyingLost, but the snippet was just a link to the website that has already be found and leads to the cover-up thingy end-of-hiatus-gift right? i say this because if i’m wrong then no biggy, but if i’m right, that spoiler has already been posted on this blog so i’m not worrying too much about it.

You’re right about the links but the very last frame there was something specific that was actually mentioned on The View this morning.

You’re right about the FIND815.com stuff. But there was something else at the end of the clip. I don’t want to get yelled at because it may be a spoiler.

an island
a shark
a raft

Aslo, the drawing Hurley was doing before guardian angel Charlie showed up was of an igloo with a person (S2 finale shoutout?)

…and the final Video is up from Find815.com. :)

One thing I noticed while DVR pausing the cabin scene: There’s a painting in the cabin of a dog that looks like Walt’s.

Oh, and the freaky eye was definitely not Locke. Possibly could’ve been Mikhail.

How about Kate and Juliet both staying with Jack. Catfight anyone?

One more thing…i heard this on a talk show this morning for a preview of this season. Apparently they will find a plane that says Oceanic Flight 815 at the bottom of the ocean and there is people inside.

I feel like there is something to do with ‘mirror’ images of people. In the future Jack is the opposite of what he was on the island, same for Hurely. Locke is opposite on the island then what he was in the past flashbacks.
Interesting how they kept saying that everyone who crashed had all ‘lost’ their faith in some way but regained it on the island….

ALSO, when Charley is swiming to the glass right before it breaks, his movement through the water looks alot like the movement of the smoke and blows up trees and stuff… the spirit of the island so to speak… whatcha think?

Remember what Kate said to Jack? “This isn’t going to stop.” I imagine that means all of the Oceanic Six are being called back by the “eyeland”. My question is whether the person in the coffin is one of the six, or whether Michael never makes it back to the island but dies trying after the six return home.

Hammer sorry to hear about what happened. I think abc.com puts the episodes up within 48 hours.

Time to do some research!

desmond blew up th hatch because locke wasn’t gonna let him press the button (4,8,15,16,23,42,execute).

walt could be the person in the coffin. he’s a person everybody remembers even tho the kid left in season 1, was seen for a couple minutes in season 2, and barely a minute in season 3. he could have been doing whatever to make nobody else want to come to his funeral, or he could’ve been trying to convince them all to come back to the island and he knew how to get to it and so once he died jack thought his chance was gone.

i didn’t think the eye was locke’s either. i thought at first it was jacob’s. if it’s mikhail i’m gonna get sick of him never dying. it could be hurley’s like us looking back at him.

yeah, i noticed hurley’s drawing of the igloo. reminded me of s2 finale. didn’t catch the chalkboard thing tho, will be payin closer attention when i re-watch!

jamie gur wrote:

um sawyer! he sided with locke over kate? isnt he like head over heels for her? is that a future conflict arising between the love birds and the rest of the losties?

i think he did it just to make jack mad. besides she’s just been using him to make jack jealous.

Austin,

You’re right about the FIND815.com stuff. But there was something else at the end of the clip. I don’t want to get yelled at because it may be a spoiler.

Again, clips from find815.com. We knew before the episode came on that the Christiane 1 found flight 815 underwater. Nothing new. No spoiler.

finally, what the hell did charlie mean when he said, “i’m dead, but i’m also here”? where is here?

I am not sure but I think it has something to do with Echo, And that other guy who Lock spoke to when he was in the tent working on some potion… that time he couldnt speak… anyway. When they all came, they had a message. SO I guess they come when its important. OR Jacob can transform into anyone who has died? OR Jacob helps them come back when needed?

Maybe “not out boat” means only a select few can go?

what are your thoughts?

but charlie wrote “not Penny’s boat” not “not our boat”

Why is everyone calling Hurleys visitor an attorney for Oceanic. He obviously isn’t. Hurley asks to see a business card, which Matthew conveniatly forgot at home. Then he asks if the others are alive. If he actually worked with Oceanic, he wouldn’t ask this, as it is Oceanic who is covering up the whole mess.

We don’t know that he isn’t an attorney for Oceanic. He may be. I think it unlikely that if he is an attorney for Oceanic that he is a run of the mill airline attorney who makes sure the company doesn’t get sued in the event of the crash. I think there must be some connection between Oceanic the company, the Widmore Corp, and the Dharma Initiative. I wouldn’t be surprised if Oceanic was a front company to a certain degree.

The “attorney” lets just call him that for the sake of argument, makes reference to getting Hurley “an upgrade” offering him a private room in a better facility among other things. Taking this line of thought with Hurley’s outburst to the arresting officers “I’m one of the Oceanic 6!” I wonder if when the 6 (whoever they are) returned from the island, if an elaborate story was concocted by Oceanic and its partners that painted the 6 as some kind of miraculous survivors. Clearly they have some kind of information that Oceanic doesn’t want getting out to the public. Besides an “upgrade”, what else did Oceanic & its partners give to the survivors? Fame, fortune, unlimited flights? new identities?

Curious…

Hermy wrote:

Toeknee wrote:

Presumably Hurley and Locke had a lengthy conversation discussing all that happened

But…there wasn’t time! I’m mean, there was Hurley laying in the grass saying “There’s nothing really there” (or whatever he was saying) and then the light from Locke’s torch, and then suddenly Locke’s talking about Charlie’s death and “Not Penny’s Boat”!

Locke knew. He knew…

But I think there was a commercial after Locke first appeared. The next time we see them Hurley’s sitting up and they’re continuing their conversation.

D&C have said many times that they think it makes for boring TV if they show one character telling another character about some events that the viewers have already seen.

You’re right. There was a commercial between the two scenes, and it was obvious that some time had passed and Hurley had filled Locke in on everything that had happened.

The cabin Hurley saw contained Jacob (the same eye we saw at the end of s3) and Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair. We know this for sure because, not only was it plainly him, but he had the white sneakers on like he had in Jack’s visions AND in the “missing pieces” episode we saw (which conveniently brought our attention back to him).

Also, while the guy who met Hurley CLAIMED to be an attorney from Oceanic, he clearly was not. I think, as others have posted, that he’s got something to do with the Dharma Initiative and/or the people who are looking for the island but are “not penny’s boat”. It appears that the “oceanic 6″, in order to protect their friends who probably chose to stay on the island (like Locke, Ben, probably Rose since it cured her cancer, and Bernard.. I think Walt would want to stay, and also Michael because of that), they’ve kept it a secret that there were any additional survivors. What I’m curious about is why Hurley is now sorry that he went with Locke instead of staying with Jack.. I’m very excited to find out what happens next on the island!

Also, my guess as to who is in the coffin… We have to think of who has been an enemy and would want to get off the island. Michael comes to mind, but I think Walt would want to stay and I don’t think Michael would leave without Walt (unless something happens to Walt). Ben wouldn’t leave and Locke wouldn’t leave. It’s possible it’s Juliet, but she’d probably go back to Miami. I don’t know, I think it’s someone we haven’t seen yet. Maybe one of the rescuers.

Great episode though, I’m so glad Lost is back!

Why did Locke say they had a traitor in their midst, Juliet? Does he know something that the audience doesn’t?

I was wondering that myself, unless he was only referring to the tape he’d gotten that he gave to Sawyer. It seems weird that he wouldn’t have been filled in on that though, unless he’s really in the dark and no one even told him about blowing up some others and all that stuff. That’s possible, I mean, Locke has been a busy guy, what with trying to sabotage radio contact and throwing knives at people… oh yeah, and getting fake shot by Jack. What’s up with that?! Needless to say, I think things are gonna be pretty awkward between them from now on… =)

Also, I see a lot of people making comments regarding Michael and Walt, I thought they left for rescue during last year’s show? Did they come back and I missed it somehow?

They did leave, but that doesn’t mean they were able to leave for good…

Also, Does Locke know something we don’t as far as Juliet being a traitor?

No. Remember, Locke is the one who told the losties that she isn’t who she said she was. He stole the tape recorder from Ben that had Juliet saying Sun was pregnant and she would find out if the other women were as well. Locke never knew that Juliet is supposedly on the losties side now because he wasn’t at their camp.

As to who is in the coffin: Read the article Jack has about it. It says that it’s a MAN (so not Juliet or Sarah(who by the way it can’t be because we see her AFTER he reads the article)) who is from New York (so it can’t be Ben since he is from Portland) and has a teenage son. My guess is that it’s Michael or a character we haven’t met yet.

You’re right, Meg, I forgot about that!

Who do you think is in coffin?

Locke…which is why Jack displays emotions of both disbelief and anger…also why when he goes to the funeral home the worker says no one else has come

deangoodes wrote:

Also, I see a lot of people making comments regarding Michael and Walt, I thought they left for rescue during last year’s show? Did they come back and I missed it somehow?

They did leave, but that doesn’t mean they were able to leave for good…

For all we know Michael and Walt were picked up by the freighter and are being held captive.

I think thats ben in the coffin, because no one showed up to his funeral and remember he had no family, he killed everyone on the island including his dad. did hugo really win the lottery or is he just some escapee from a mental institute, and crash landed on the island. I think desmond is really an other and was recruited a long time ago. sahid needs to step his role up and take command of this operation. that guy that visits hurley is actually, luitenent daniels from The Wire…isnt that odd, maybe there is a connection with the drug trade in baltimore and the island….

That would be awesome! My two favorite shows, tied together. Although I don’t think I could deal with the previews…. “Next week, a very special episode of The Wire”.

Good luck tracking down Marlo, Omar!

In going along with everyone on the island being “special”… I think each of them has something, for instance, Michail is nearly invincible, Richard doesn’t age, Walt can appear to people among other things, Ben has seen his mother (who is dead)… I think that Jacob is also somehow dead, which is why he’s trapped within the circle and why Ben can see him. I think it’s interesting that Hurley also saw Jacob AND Christian and now Charlie too (also, who knows, maybe Dave wasn’t imagined, but someone who has died).

It seems that those who appear as visions to warn the survivors both on the island and off, i.e, Charlie and Echo’s brother, are dead. Bringing up the question, “Instead of having super powers, is Walt dead?” He does appear to Locke in the season 3 finale to stop him from killing himself.