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Jack Sick Lost Season 4

Tonight I am sure everyone will be on the edge of their seat as we wait to see if Dr. Shepherd can be saved from the perils of… Appendicitis? – with all the dangers of the Island, who would have thought a bum appendix could take out our beloved hero?!? Also, we should see if Locke’s crew has any luck finding Jacob’s cabin…

ABC’s Official Show Description

Spoiler Alert

“Kate and Juliet must learn to work together when Jack’s health is seriously compromised. Something goes wrong as Sawyer, Claire, Aaron and Miles continue their trek away from Locke’s camp and back to the beach.”

Tonight’s episode is a flash forward focused primarily on Jack, but will include Kate as well – not sure if this can live up to the adventures of Ben that we saw last week, but I am sure it will be good. Based on the episode preview, we can see that (somehow) Keamy survived the attack from smoky last week – and it’s probably safe to say he is that “something that goes wrong” for the rest of the gang as they head back to the beach.

Episode Preview

And a few sneak peeks are available here: Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3 | Sneak Peek 4


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  1. we can see that (somehow) Keamy survived the attack from smoky last week.
    Amazing. Only on Lost.

  2. I cheated I watched the sneak peeks. Are we allowed to discuss those?

  3. lost4ever wrote:

    I cheated I watched the sneak peeks. Are we allowed to discuss those?

    +_+_+_+_+_+_+

    Can we talk about those yet?!?!?!

  4. Ahhh! It’s killing me…seven hours to go here on the West Coast!

  5. Lins wrote:

    Ahhh! It’s killing me…seven hours to go here on the West Coast!

    +_+_+_+_+

    Ouch. 4 hours here in Houston.

  6. Watch your tone, Red.

  7. lost4ever wrote:

    Watch your tone, Red.

    It’s about time someone put that girl in her place!!

  8. 1)who is red?
    2)for those tivo-ing i heard the episode is going to run 1 minute over an hour.
    3)this blog went from giving almost no info about the episode to just a little too much. does anyone else agree?

    i can not wait for 1 hr and 45 mins.!!!

  9. lostfreak wrote:

    1)who is red?
    2)for those tivo-ing i heard the episode is going to run 1 minute over an hour.
    3)this blog went from giving almost no info about the episode to just a little too much. does anyone else agree?

    i can not wait for 1 hr and 45 mins.!!!

    lostfreak - no harm intended on the episode preview; it is just one of those ep’s where the preview from last week gave away major plot points - we try to not go beyond that, but we’ll defintely be mindful moving forward

  10. Cool. A Will sighting.

  11. sector7 wrote:

    Cool. A Will sighting.

    I’m around - typically blown away by the earth shattering, thought-provoking comments in these posts - mouth wide in disbelief and just trying to keep up, like everyone else I’m sure

  12. sorry. i didn’t want to be rude i was expecting a little preview, yet got a huge one.

    still, who is red!!!!(seriously!?!)

  13. lostfreak wrote:

    sorry. i didn’t want to be rude i was expecting a little preview, yet got a huge one.

    still, who is red!!!!(seriously!?!)

    I watched the sneak peeks… can’t wait for the real deal soon!! Someone said “Watch your tone, Red” in a sneak peek so you will have the answer soon.

  14. 40 minutes.

  15. lostfreak wrote:

    1)who is red?
    2)for those tivo-ing i heard the episode is going to run 1 minute over an hour.
    3)this blog went from giving almost no info about the episode to just a little too much. does anyone else agree?

    i can not wait for 1 hr and 45 mins.!!!

    Thanks for the heads up.

  16. 9 minutes!!!!

    Wow, a will sighting! That’s as rare as a Boone sighting! :)

  17. whats up losties…ten mins in houston texas…who is red??–clue–roses are red vilots are blue, the woman with the flower name puts scientist in blues={….

  18. 5 minutes on the east coast whos ready!! and JAIME thanks for the correction! it WAS Rachmaninoff! Don’t tell my sister who’s been playing his pieces for 15 years she’d be disappointed ha ha

  19. 2 more mins…..sayeed…..

  20. why is greys anatomy still on????

  21. jack n kate…i knew it..

  22. Trying to figure a timeline…this must be after the trial because Kate said “there is no us” until Jack is able to be around Aaron.

  23. Yes! Claires nice couple in LA!

  24. Hammer wrote:

    Trying to figure a timeline…this must be after the trial because Kate said “there is no us” until Jack is able to be around Aaron.

    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Think its before.

  25. Michael wrote:

    Hammer wrote:

    Trying to figure a timeline…this must be after the trial because Kate said “there is no us” until Jack is able to be around Aaron.

    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Think its before.

    +_+_+_+_+

    ANd i was wrong

  26. Michael wrote:

    Yes! Claires nice couple in LA!

    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)

  27. Hammer wrote:

    Michael wrote:

    Yes! Claires nice couple in LA!

    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)

    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Maybe not… Have to check out that audio tape again.

  28. I guess we now know for sure that the flash forwards are NOT in reverse chronological order. That is one theory we can set aside at least!

    : ) P

  29. Hammer wrote:

    Michael wrote:

    Yes! Claires nice couple in LA!

    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)

    +_+_+_+_+_

    But its not meant to be Jack. Thinking Sawyer.

  30. jack and Kate really are not the best candidates to be parents.

  31. are you guys watching right now?

  32. did Jack have a scar on his chest/stomach when he got out of bed earlier in the show?

  33. Michael wrote:

    Hammer wrote:

    Michael wrote:

    Yes! Claires nice couple in LA!

    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)

    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Maybe not… Have to check out that audio tape again.

    Not sure what you mean, but yes there were whispers during the autopsy…maybe you mean the psychic is still a fraud?

  34. Maybe I’m just seeing what I want to see, but I wonder if the whisperers are showing themselves….Charlie, Christian….

  35. Hammer wrote:

    Michael wrote:

    Hammer wrote:

    Michael wrote:

    Yes! Claires nice couple in LA!

    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)

    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Maybe not… Have to check out that audio tape again.

    Not sure what you mean, but yes there were whispers during the autopsy…maybe you mean the psychic is still a fraud?

    +_+_+_+_+

    Yes the i mean the fraud.

  36. did anyone notice if he had a scar?

  37. Really. there gonna have Jack turn in to his dad.

  38. CLAIRE!!!!!

  39. NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.

  40. does anyone really believe that what Hurley said is true?

  41. Julie wrote:

    NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.

    We know what he turns into from the 1st FF.

  42. ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

  43. Which flash forward? I don’t remember…

  44. Julie wrote:

    does anyone really believe that what Hurley said is true?

    =-=-=-=-=-=-

    NO!

  45. Hammer wrote:

    Julie wrote:

    NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.

    We know what he turns into from the 1st FF.

    Which flash forward? What does he turn into?

  46. omar wrote:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

    I agree. I’m disappointed.

  47. What the heck would Sawyer want Kate to do?

  48. Hammer wrote:

    Maybe I’m just seeing what I want to see, but I wonder if the whisperers are showing themselves….Charlie, Christian….

    You mean like the whispers are really the voices of the time travelers speaking to people living in real time?

  49. Julie wrote:

    Hammer wrote:

    Julie wrote:

    NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.

    We know what he turns into from the 1st FF.

    Which flash forward? What does he turn into?

    ++++++++++++
    A desperate drunken drug filled mess that can’t handle the real world anymore.

  50. lost-on-mars wrote:

    What the heck would Sawyer want Kate to do?

    And how would he get in touch with her?

  51. omar wrote:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

    i think kate was (possibly) taking care of aaron off island for him bcuz whatever happens to claire since he’s been so protective over her lately (and what’s up with her leaving aaron?).
    besides you didn’t know who red was before this either! and it’s about time somebody threatens red! go jin.

  52. I think Hurley was telling the truth. This seems to be some kind of a dream sequence.

  53. omar wrote:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

    I’m with you omar. That ep sucked! I mean… Nice to see Bernard getting more screen time, right? Maybe next week we will get a Steve centric ep. The big build up to Christian and — no answers whatsoever. Total let down!

  54. omar wrote:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

    I guess we were watching different episodes because while this was not a “sit on the edge of your seat” episode, I found it both entertaining and compelling.

    We learned that flash forwards do not occur in reverse chronological order.

    We learned that Kate and Jack got their happy “not quite an” ending.

    We learned how Sun and Jin will be separated.

    We learned something about Claire and Aaron’s separation.

    We learned that Miles hears whispers - perhaps they are always there, but average people only hear them on the island.

    We learned that Karl and Danielle are, indeed, dead.

    We learned that most of the freighter guys survived Smokey (I counted five, and I think Miles thought there were six).

    We learned that smoke alarm beeps sound mysteriously like the computer’s countdown beeps as it approached 108 minutes.

    We learned that Christian can appear in SOME form OFF the island.

    We learned that Charlie has appeared in SOME FORM repeatedly to Hurley.

    We saw the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral.

    We can look the S3 finale flashforward with new eyes - Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.

    So yeah… I learned a lot. Then again, Omar, I think you have had similar reactions to a number of episodes. Were I a catty person, I might say more.

    : ) P

  55. Hammer wrote:

    Julie wrote:

    Hammer wrote:

    Julie wrote:

    NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.

    We know what he turns into from the 1st FF.

    Which flash forward? What does he turn into?

    ++++++++++++
    A desperate drunken drug filled mess that can’t handle the real world anymore.

    OMG I completely forgot. They drag this show out so much it’s easy to forget stuff.

  56. Julie wrote:

    Hammer wrote:

    Maybe I’m just seeing what I want to see, but I wonder if the whisperers are showing themselves….Charlie, Christian….

    You mean like the whispers are really the voices of the time travelers speaking to people living in real time?

    +++++++++++
    Well that may be, but Christian also showed himself to Claire. It might be Smokey, but my guess is that we will soon learn abaout the whispers. In the transcripts, they wanted to show themselves to the Losties, I think they are slowly doing just that.

  57. Some things seem to be falling in place from this episode:

    We know at the airport when Kate says “I got to back to him”, she meant Aaron and not Sawyer.

    Why Jack is in serious disarray from the break-up.

    Miles can really hear ghosts

  58. PJSander wrote:

    omar wrote:

    Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.

    Jack said Sawyer chose to stay on the island.

  59. lost-on-mars wrote:

    Some things seem to be falling in place from this episode:

    We know at the airport when Kate says “I got to back to him”, she meant Aaron and not Sawyer.

    Why Jack is in serious disarray from the break-up.

    Miles can really hear ghosts

    =====

    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”

  60. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY

  61. We need to look at that box score closely. Should be able to tell us an exact date.

  62. PJSander wrote:

    omar wrote:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

    I guess we were watching different episodes because while this was not a “sit on the edge of your seat” episode, I found it both entertaining and compelling.

    We learned that flash forwards do not occur in reverse chronological order.

    We learned that Kate and Jack got their happy “not quite an” ending.

    We learned how Sun and Jin will be separated.

    We learned something about Claire and Aaron’s separation.

    We learned that Miles hears whispers - perhaps they are always there, but average people only hear them on the island.

    We learned that Karl and Danielle are, indeed, dead.

    We learned that most of the freighter guys survived Smokey (I counted five, and I think Miles thought there were six).

    We learned that smoke alarm beeps sound mysteriously like the computer’s countdown beeps as it approached 108 minutes.

    We learned that Christian can appear in SOME form OFF the island.

    We learned that Charlie has appeared in SOME FORM repeatedly to Hurley.

    We saw the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral.

    We can look the S3 finale flashforward with new eyes - Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.

    So yeah… I learned a lot. Then again, Omar, I think you have had similar reactions to a number of episodes. Were I a catty person, I might say more.

    : ) P

    Yep, I’m with PJ.

  63. sector7 wrote:

    Jack said Sawyer chose to stay on the island.

    True.

    I guess we’ll find out more next week. (Or sometime in the next two years *G*.)

    : ) P

  64. Who is that new, weird looking dude in the previews for next week’s show

  65. PJSander wrote:

    sector7 wrote:

    Jack said Sawyer chose to stay on the island.

    True.

    I guess we’ll find out more next week. (Or sometime in the next two years *G*.)

    : ) P

    don’t remind me there’s only 2 short years left!

  66. lost-on-mars wrote:

    Who is that new, weird looking dude in the previews for next week’s show

    =====
    Good Question…

  67. lost-on-mars wrote:

    Who is that new, weird looking dude in the previews for next week’s show

    Sorry, L-o-M, but we don’t discuss previews here! I think that late on Thursday afternoon, once the new blog page is posted, it is less frowned upon, but otherwise *sshhhh* please!

    Many of us work hard to AVOID spoilers, including those “coming up on the next episode” previews. (Tonight’s was hard, though, because there was NO break between. I couldn’t hit the OFF button fast enough!)

    : ) P

  68. lost-on-mars wrote:

    Who is that new, weird looking dude in the previews for next week’s show

    No talking about previews. Save it…I am….

  69. Hurley told Jack that someone was going to visit him… soon… Christian Shepherd.

    Jack catches a glimpse of dad in the hallway. Late at night he sees Dad in the waiting area, after the SMOKE alarm goes off… (HELLO - Smokey?)

    Claire sees Christian and is lured away from Sawyers’ beddown area. We’ve never seen that she knows who daddy is before - he stopped visiting when she was tiny. Jack still doesn’t that Claire is a sister… as far as we know. If he and Kate marry, then he’d be raising his nephew as his son.

    Who did Kate see that upset Jack? She admitted it was for Sawyer. The phone call where she said ‘we could meet for an hour’, that Jack overheard… I think she said it was Noreen (???) part of a moms’ group. What if it were Cassidy, mom of Sawyers’ daughter, Clementine?

    Juliet was sweet. Throwing Kate the ‘I kissed Jack’ bone. Guess Bernard learned about first-aid in the Army as well learning to shoot. Insight from Rose about how people get better on the island, not sicker.

    Lots of good anti-Charlotte sentiment this episode. Rose and Jin both. Wonder why Daniel went into fertility station first? Just cuz he likes Charlotte? or to snoop? Still not sure I trust Daniel. Don’t trust Charlotte one iota though!

    Miles deserved a smackdown too. Letting Claire wander off. But he did keep his mouth zipped when Lapidus and Keamy went marching thru. Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.

  70. DocH wrote:

    Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.

    Maybe a little odd, but we’ve seen Smokey retreat before…I think someone managed to get Smokey off of Locke once?

  71. RAY wrote:

    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”

    I think Jack says that is - because he helped Claire deliver the baby, not Kate! We still have not seen where Claire & Jack learn they have the same father, if they do at all.

  72. DocH wrote:

    Hurley told Jack that someone was going to visit him… soon… Christian Shepherd.

    Jack catches a glimpse of dad in the hallway. Late at night he sees Dad in the waiting area, after the SMOKE alarm goes off… (HELLO - Smokey?)

    Claire sees Christian and is lured away from Sawyers’ beddown area. We’ve never seen that she knows who daddy is before - he stopped visiting when she was tiny. Jack still doesn’t that Claire is a sister… as far as we know. If he and Kate marry, then he’d be raising his nephew as his son.

    Who did Kate see that upset Jack? She admitted it was for Sawyer. The phone call where she said ‘we could meet for an hour’, that Jack overheard… I think she said it was Noreen (???) part of a moms’ group. What if it were Cassidy, mom of Sawyers’ daughter, Clementine?

    Juliet was sweet. Throwing Kate the ‘I kissed Jack’ bone. Guess Bernard learned about first-aid in the Army as well learning to shoot. Insight from Rose about how people get better on the island, not sicker.

    Lots of good anti-Charlotte sentiment this episode. Rose and Jin both. Wonder why Daniel went into fertility station first? Just cuz he likes Charlotte? or to snoop? Still not sure I trust Daniel. Don’t trust Charlotte one iota though!

    Miles deserved a smackdown too. Letting Claire wander off. But he did keep his mouth zipped when Lapidus and Keamy went marching thru. Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.

    Bernard is a D.D.S., right? He has some knowledge regarding surgeries.

    I guess the conversation is coming where Christian tells Jack Aaron is his nephew and that leads to Jack backing away more?

  73. I don’t know what show everyone is watching but….

    Claire DOES know who her father is and what he looks like and Kate WAS the one that helped deliver the baby, not Jack.

  74. SERIOUSLY THIS EP. LEFT ME MORE CONFUSED…BUT STILL ON THE EGDE OF MY SEAT……I DON’T GET IT AND ALOT OF THINGS WERE POINTED OUT BUT THEN IT BROUGHT UP ALOT OF QUESTIONS………HMMMMM NEXT WEEK I SUPPOSE WILL KEEP ME ENTERTAINED, BUT I NEED MY LOST FIX NOW…….I DVR IT SOOO I’M GOING TO WATCH AGAIN……….LOVE YA GUYS

  75. quote comment=”216986″]
    Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.

    Hammer wrote:

    [
    Maybe a little odd, but we’ve seen Smokey retreat before…I think someone managed to get Smokey off of Locke once?

    Yeah… Jack tossed some unstable dynamite down the ‘vent’ that Smokey was dragging Locke in to.
    The mercs were shooting at Smokey, screaming a bit, crying, wetting themselves… you know - standard mercenary tactics. [;^)

  76. DocH wrote:

    RAY wrote:

    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”

    I think Jack says that is - because he helped Claire deliver the baby, not Kate! We still have not seen where Claire & Jack learn they have the same father, if they do at all.

    +++++++++++++
    I took it as a teaser. We thought he was going to say “…I am…” but he just stated the obvious…Kate is NOT related to Aaron.

  77. The only thing I can think of that Kate can be doing for Sawyer involves his daughter. I am still wondering what it can be. Apparantly they left everyone behind and claimed that they were dead. The rest of the survivors must still be in the island. I hope jin is there and that was a just a gravestone we say Hurley and Sun visit.

  78. DocH wrote:

    RAY wrote:

    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”

    I think Jack says that is - because he helped Claire deliver the baby, not Kate! We still have not seen where Claire & Jack learn they have the same father, if they do at all.

    ===
    I respectfully disagree. I think the way he says it implies that he knows that he is Aaron’s nephew. You are right in that we have not seen an episode where that is revealed. However, (it’s my theory) in that scene he already knows. Jack says, “YOU are not even related to him”….implying “like me…I’m his uncle.”

  79. DocH wrote:

    Hurley told Jack that someone was going to visit him… soon… Christian Shepherd.

    Jack catches a glimpse of dad in the hallway. Late at night he sees Dad in the waiting area, after the SMOKE alarm goes off… (HELLO - Smokey?)

    Claire sees Christian and is lured away from Sawyers’ beddown area. We’ve never seen that she knows who daddy is before - he stopped visiting when she was tiny. Jack still doesn’t that Claire is a sister… as far as we know. If he and Kate marry, then he’d be raising his nephew as his son.

    Who did Kate see that upset Jack? She admitted it was for Sawyer. The phone call where she said ‘we could meet for an hour’, that Jack overheard… I think she said it was Noreen (???) part of a moms’ group. What if it were Cassidy, mom of Sawyers’ daughter, Clementine?

    Juliet was sweet. Throwing Kate the ‘I kissed Jack’ bone. Guess Bernard learned about first-aid in the Army as well learning to shoot. Insight from Rose about how people get better on the island, not sicker.

    Lots of good anti-Charlotte sentiment this episode. Rose and Jin both. Wonder why Daniel went into fertility station first? Just cuz he likes Charlotte? or to snoop? Still not sure I trust Daniel. Don’t trust Charlotte one iota though!

    Miles deserved a smackdown too. Letting Claire wander off. But he did keep his mouth zipped when Lapidus and Keamy went marching thru. Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.

    I thought Claire met Christian and learned he is her father after the car accident that Claire was in with her mother. Christian was at the mother’s hospital bed and told Claire he was her father, also she learned that he was covering all her mother’s medical expenses. I remember him too trying to talk to her in a shopping mall and she didn’t want anything to do with him.

  80. tasha wrote:

    I don’t know what show everyone is watching but….

    Claire DOES know who her father is and what he looks like and Kate WAS the one that helped deliver the baby, not Jack.

    Yes, but she doesn’t know his name.

  81. sector7 wrote:

    Bernard is a D.D.S., right? He has some knowledge regarding surgeries.

    Good catch. That slipped my mind.
    - - - -
    How about Hurley - All a dream - talking about heaven?

  82. DocH wrote:

    quote comment=”216986″]
    Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.

    Hammer wrote:

    [
    Maybe a little odd, but we’ve seen Smokey retreat before…I think someone managed to get Smokey off of Locke once?

    Yeah… Jack tossed some unstable dynamite down the ‘vent’ that Smokey was dragging Locke in to.
    The mercs were shooting at Smokey, screaming a bit, crying, wetting themselves… you know - standard mercenary tactics. [;^)

    +++++++++++++
    LMAO. But it does appear that Smokey can be twarted. If it were a perfect security system, the island would never have intruders.

  83. DocH wrote:

    sector7 wrote:

    Bernard is a D.D.S., right? He has some knowledge regarding surgeries.

    Good catch. That slipped my mind.
    - - - -
    How about Hurley - All a dream - talking about heaven?

    +++++++++++
    I don’t believe any of it is a dream. He is paying the price for leaving the island. So is Jack. IMO a matter of time before Kate and Sun are obessing as well.

  84. RAY wrote:

    DocH wrote:

    RAY wrote:

    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”

    I think Jack says that is - because he helped Claire deliver the baby, not Kate! We still have not seen where Claire & Jack learn they have the same father, if they do at all.

    ===
    I respectfully disagree. I think the way he says it implies that he knows that he is Aaron’s nephew. You are right in that we have not seen an episode where that is revealed. However, (it’s my theory) in that scene he already knows. Jack says, “YOU are not even related to him”….implying “like me…I’m his uncle.”

    _____________________________
    I think in this ep Jack thinks of Aaron like a son, and finding out he is his uncle will make him feel weird (I’m thinking Springer-like) and stand-offish.

    I like the theory that Kate is doing something related to Clementine. I think that will also make Jack want to distance himself.

  85. I think Charlie might be just a little jealous and that is why he told Hurley that LOL.

  86. Well if Kate can’t leave the state, what would be the odds of her living wherever Clementine is? I still don’t get what she could be doing for her besides giving money. I mean…she acts like Aaron is everything but leaves him with the nanny to be doing stuff for Sawyer? It’s a little odd. My brain is fried:(

  87. sector7 wrote:

    _____________________________
    I think in this ep Jack thinks of Aaron like a son, and finding out he is his uncle will make him feel weird (I’m thinking Springer-like) and stand-offish.

    Yeah, it looks like Jack stayed away, then changed his mind, then changes it again and separated from Kate and Aaron again. He might have known along based on Kate’s comment at in courthouse parking lot “I know why you …”

  88. One thing that made me laugh, in my own warped, can’t remember a damn thing, mind. Jack sitting outside of the mental hospital in his 4-wheel drive. It was after dark, hours after his Hurley visit, he was right in front of the benches that Hurley communed with Charlie. I was wondering if his was contemplating sitting on those benches… in order to get the ‘visitor’ that Hurley said would be there soon. (?)

  89. DocH wrote:

    One thing that made me laugh, in my own warped, can’t remember a damn thing, mind. Jack sitting outside of the mental hospital in his 4-wheel drive. It was after dark, hours after his Hurley visit, he was right in front of the benches that Hurley communed with Charlie. I was wondering if his was contemplating sitting on those benches… in order to get the ‘visitor’ that Hurley said would be there soon. (?)

    I thought that too, then I thought he was waiting to see if Charlie showed up. Heh, heh.

  90. DocH wrote:

    can’t remember a damn thing, mind. (?)

    You were due…you’ve corrected us so many times…kharma. :)

  91. PJSander wrote:

    omar wrote:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

    I guess we were watching different episodes because while this was not a “sit on the edge of your seat” episode, I found it both entertaining and compelling.

    We learned that flash forwards do not occur in reverse chronological order.

    We learned that Kate and Jack got their happy “not quite an” ending.

    We learned how Sun and Jin will be separated.

    We learned something about Claire and Aaron’s separation.

    We learned that Miles hears whispers - perhaps they are always there, but average people only hear them on the island.

    We learned that Karl and Danielle are, indeed, dead.

    We learned that most of the freighter guys survived Smokey (I counted five, and I think Miles thought there were six).

    We learned that smoke alarm beeps sound mysteriously like the computer’s countdown beeps as it approached 108 minutes.

    We learned that Christian can appear in SOME form OFF the island.

    We learned that Charlie has appeared in SOME FORM repeatedly to Hurley.

    We saw the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral.

    We can look the S3 finale flashforward with new eyes - Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.

    So yeah… I learned a lot. Then again, Omar, I think you have had similar reactions to a number of episodes. Were I a catty person, I might say more.

    : ) P

    Are we watching the same show??? MOst of things we had ALREADY learned from previous ep!!!!!!

  92. i don’t think jack changes his mind again, i think kate will kick him out (in the ff).

    good catch on the smoke alarm and smokey DocH (c69.

    tasha (c73): whew, i was starting to worry i wasn’t watching the right show. ;) (c85) you’re probably right, he got jealous when locke was hanging out with aaron and claire so jack would make even more sense. lol

  93. Nice star wars plug with the millennium falcon.

    Looks like the sox article was written by gregg wilson. No reference on google. Probably the LA Times, right? I dunno — they probably just made it up.

  94. Hammer wrote:

    I thought that too, then I thought he was waiting to see if Charlie showed up. Heh, heh.

    Heck, *I* was waiting for Charlie to show up! I expected him to open the door and get in the car!

    : ) P

  95. sector7 wrote:

    Nice star wars plug with the millennium falcon.

    Looks like the sox article was written by gregg wilson. No reference on google. Probably the LA Times, right? I dunno — they probably just made it up.

    There is/was a writer for the New York Daily News named Greg Wilson. But he does/did political news including an article about the new Yankeee stadium. Don’t know if it’s significant.

  96. I am thinking more and more that the clandestine Kate meeting was about Sawyers’ kid Clementine. Kate and Cassady did have a pre-island connection..

    We last see James holding an abandoned child in the middle of nowhere. Now he is daddy James… always had parent issues… lost his folks early on… no child left behind James.

    Maybe his ultimate ‘redemption’ is resolving that no child should grow up without a parent/parents, so they don’t wind-up like him.

    If Christian does represent the island, maybe Aaron was supposed to stay on the island, as the new Jacob. And what was said or done to Claire that she would EVER leave Aaron in the tree trunks… Those trunks look like the ones that people hide from, or are protective of, Smokey.

  97. omar wrote:

    Are we watching the same show??? MOst of things we had ALREADY learned from previous ep!!!!!!

    I respectfully disagree, Omar. We SUSPECTED a lot of those things from previous shows, but they were not confirmed until tonight. This episode gave us a lot more pieces to the puzzle and gave us the chance to put some theories to rest.

    : ) P

  98. DocH wrote:

    I am thinking more and more that the clandestine Kate meeting was about Sawyers’ kid Clementine. Kate and Cassady did have a pre-island connection..

    We last see James holding an abandoned child in the middle of nowhere. Now he is daddy James… always had parent issues… lost his folks early on… no child left behind James.

    Maybe his ultimate ‘redemption’ is resolving that no child should grow up without a parent/parents, so they don’t wind-up like him.

    If Christian does represent the island, maybe Aaron was supposed to stay on the island, as the new Jacob. And what was said or done to Claire that she would EVER leave Aaron in the tree trunks… Those trunks look like the ones that people hide from, or are protective of, Smokey.

    I took it as Christian showed Claire “the way” and she had to make sure Aaron got off the island. The psychic originally said she had to raise the Aaron herself, then IMO someone persuaded him to take Aaron to LA. Maybe Christian helped her see fate?

  99. PJSander wrote:

    omar wrote:

    Are we watching the same show??? MOst of things we had ALREADY learned from previous ep!!!!!!

    I respectfully disagree, Omar. We SUSPECTED a lot of those things from previous shows, but they were not confirmed until tonight. This episode gave us a lot more pieces to the puzzle and gave us the chance to put some theories to rest.

    : ) P

    +++++++++++++
    Sometimes the show has to slow down and just give us some info to tie up loose ends in order to move forward. It’s another chapter we need. It wasn’t an awesome break neck speed episode, but riveting and needed.

  100. omar wrote:

    Are we watching the same show??? MOst of things we had ALREADY learned from previous ep!!!!!!

    I agree to some extent. But I don’t think they actually told us what you suggest we learned before… we just assumed we knew what we learned. Tonight they “TOLD” us what they taught us(confirmation). I think they did it so we could terminate some of our collective theories. NOW, we have more focus and can concentrate and extrapolate on all of the new revelations they are getting to cram down our throats in the last 4 hours of the season - 4 hours that will have to get us thru to Jan 09.

  101. Best thing abt this ep was Kate in her panties.

  102. DocH wrote:

    4 hours that will have to get us thru to Jan 09.

    Hyper

    ventilating

    can’t

    catch

    my breath

    AGGHHH!

    : ) P

  103. Hammer wrote:

    sector7 wrote:

    Nice star wars plug with the millennium falcon.

    Looks like the sox article was written by gregg wilson. No reference on google. Probably the LA Times, right? I dunno — they probably just made it up.

    There is/was a writer for the New York Daily News named Greg Wilson. But he does/did political news including an article about the new Yankeee stadium. Don’t know if it’s significant.

    _____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ‘05, ‘06, or ‘07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?

  104. sector7 wrote:

    Best thing abt this ep was Kate in her panties.

    such a guy (rolling my eyes)….

  105. Bedtime for Bonzo. Gotta drive to Milwaukee from D-Town tomorrow. I’ll be checking in on laptop w/at&t broadband (gotta get my Lost fix).

    But, I leave you with this to ponder….
    (think Tattoo from Fantasy Island)the Whisperers are coming, the Whisperers are coming.

  106. sector7 wrote:

    _____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ‘05, ‘06, or ‘07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?

    Shhhhhhhhh, trying to sleep.

    I half tried, but gotta go to bed. Look for series sweeps between 04 and 08, may have happened more than once. August 07 is the latest one I think….

  107. I saw this elsewhere….but i had to say something. That IS a creepy picture hanging on the wall at their house when Kate is in her panties!!! I just showed my husband. Wonder if there is a significance….

  108. sector7 wrote:

    Best thing abt this ep was …

    lost chicka wrote:

    such a guy (rolling my eyes)….

    This is where you jab back about Jack rolling out of bed and (barely) wrapping a towel around his waist.

    About that, my recorder crumped and I am without replay… Did any notice if Jack had an appendectomy scar in his FF?

  109. DocH….I saw some screen caps and he had a scar.

  110. Hammer wrote:

    sector7 wrote:

    _____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ‘05, ‘06, or ‘07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?

    Shhhhhhhhh, trying to sleep.

    I half tried, but gotta go to bed. Look for series sweeps between 04 and 08, may have happened more than once. August 07 is the latest one I think….

    +++++++
    There was a 5 game sweep in August 06 that is considered a major whoopin’. Nothing really in 04 or 05 that I can find.

    Now let me sleep. Check back tomorrow….snoring….

  111. first off…kate’s body! WOW! and producers were showing it off in this ep. and did i hear a lisp from her?

    second…am i in the minority when i say that i wanted kate to end up with sawyer. i think the writers are making a huge mistake if kate ends up with jack.

    and jack does not know that aaron is his nephew…AND doesn’t it seem like the first FF happened after this season’s FF??? looks like he’s still got his practice and he’s doing well…and i think meeting with CS will send him into the condition we saw him in in the first FF.

    another strange but weird theory…anyone notice when miles says to sawyer “what are you her brother…?” talking about sawyer and claire…THAT i thought was strange…and i started thinking fight clubish (did i lose ya’ll???)….very very strange by the writers…cuz we were all like “no, you doofus he’s not her brother he’s taking her to her brother…”…

    and my theory about claire is that she’s gone…as in boone gone and that hot blonde gone…

    elephant in the room for this season has been “why are the scientists there…what is red doing there? she has served no purpose so far…the only person with a big question mark…”

    i didn’t like this episode much but we needed an episode or two like this one to bring up more questions…rember we still got 2 years to go…so we can’t have answers every ep.

  112. Will wrote:

    lostfreak wrote:

    1)who is red?
    2)for those tivo-ing i heard the episode is going to run 1 minute over an hour.
    3)this blog went from giving almost no info about the episode to just a little too much. does anyone else agree?

    i can not wait for 1 hr and 45 mins.!!!

    lostfreak - no harm intended on the episode preview; it is just one of those ep’s where the preview from last week gave away major plot points - we try to not go beyond that, but we’ll defintely be mindful moving forward

    ————
    Sorry if I broke the rules ( unlike Widmore who just “changed them” ).

  113. I THINK THE WEIRD LOOKING DUDE IS JACOB. HE SAID HE’S BEEN DEAD FOR 12 YEARS!

  114. Hammer- please stop in Kenosha on your way either to or from Milw for a LAA meeting!

  115. I loved how Aaron is found at that same tree we have seen before so many times before. I don’t know what the symbolism is but something happens at that spot. I know that was the first place we saw Smokey. I think that’s were Charlie was hung as well.

  116. First time posting long time reader.
    I thought it very strange that Miles was able to hear Karl & Danielle and find their bodies but when Sawyer asked Miles in the morning about Clair he did not seem to say he SAW anyone. I realize that Christian said nothing and it seems Miles can only hear the dead. But does this mean that people who die on the Island because of the time difference are not dead until they catch up to the off island time? Christian died a few days before the crash and if the time is different then he maybe has not died and therefore Miles cannot commutate with them? Im confused cause Karl & Danielle both died on the island and so did Naomi and he was able to hear them. But why not Christian? I think there is something going on here.

  117. Julie wrote:

    lost-on-mars wrote:

    What the heck would Sawyer want Kate to do?

    And how would he get in touch with her?

    I think he probably told her before they left. It sounded like Jack was saying that people *were* left on the island…

  118. ALLAN wrote:

    I THINK THE WEIRD LOOKING DUDE IS JACOB. HE SAID HE’S BEEN DEAD FOR 12 YEARS!

    Allan, please read the blog rules. No preview talk dude. Might help to watch season 3.

  119. wish i were lost wrote:

    I loved how Aaron is found at that same tree we have seen before so many times before. I don’t know what the symbolism is but something happens at that spot. I know that was the first place we saw Smokey. I think that’s were Charlie was hung as well.

    I don’t know — I kind of think that’s just a convenient place for them to shoot a scene.

  120. I disagree with the majority of bloggers about the group of Lapidus, Miles, Daniel, and Charlotte. They did not come to the island to help the Losties, but they have no intention of harming them either. I trust all of them with making the right decisions when facing life or death situations. In this episode, both Lapidus and Miles did that. And in the past episodes Daniel has done that as well. Charlotte seems a bit on the grumpy side, but underneath she has a big heart that I feel will be revealed in her flashback episode.

    I believe by the comments Jack made about Kate not even being related to Aaron he revealed he knows he is Aaron’s uncle.

    My thoughts on Jin making sure Charlotte take back Sun on the chopper: First, he wants to take care of Sun and the baby. Second, he feels he needs to be on the island to protect those still left behind. I think he realizes not everyone can get off the island at the same time and he has good survival skills.

  121. DocH wrote:

    Lots of good anti-Charlotte sentiment this episode. Rose and Jin both. Wonder why Daniel went into fertility station first? Just cuz he likes Charlotte? or to snoop? Still not sure I trust Daniel. Don’t trust Charlotte one iota though!

    _____
    I always yell at the TV about how come no one forces them to talk!! The Losties always let the subject drop. I forgot what the instance was this epi but Daniel’s always on the verge of spilling but then doesn’t. I know we probably won’t get answers until next season ::rolls eyes::, but come on! Oh, yeah, it was when Charlotte was like, they think we’re killers, so might as well play the part. I was so happy Daniel shot her down because that was such a lame thing to say. Stop keeping secrets and people might actually start to trust you. And then Miles was like, I didn’t sign up for this. How come Sawyer didn’t demand to know what exactly he did sign up for?? Ugh!

  122. tasha wrote:

    I saw this elsewhere….but i had to say something. That IS a creepy picture hanging on the wall at their house when Kate is in her panties!!! I just showed my husband. Wonder if there is a significance….

    Looks like a man standing alone in or next to water…with his reflection (only his refelction is upside down). I’m sure it was some tiny hint about something…..obviously Kate made a comment about Jack saying nice things about his dad in front of the painting. The black (smokey) man in the painting could just be another finger pointed at Christian and the smoke monster. We saw another reference when the smoke alarm battery was dying and Christian appeared. Or maybe it is just really bad art and cheap batteries.

  123. kathy wrote:

    First time posting long time reader.
    I thought it very strange that Miles was able to hear Karl & Danielle and find their bodies but when Sawyer asked Miles in the morning about Clair he did not seem to say he SAW anyone. I realize that Christian said nothing and it seems Miles can only hear the dead. But does this mean that people who die on the Island because of the time difference are not dead until they catch up to the off island time? Christian died a few days before the crash and if the time is different then he maybe has not died and therefore Miles cannot commutate with them? Im confused cause Karl & Danielle both died on the island and so did Naomi and he was able to hear them. But why not Christian? I think there is something going on here.

    I think Miles did see CS because he said “She wasn’t alone” and “I would have followed them…”. I think its just that no conversation (verbally or mentally) occured between Miles and CS.

  124. Ok, so maybe I was looking too hard. But did I notice that when Jack went to visit Hurley, that the door was locked from the OUTSIDE? The doctor had to let Jack INTO the room with a card/code. But Jack just opened the door to leave. If a psych ward, they would lock Hurley IN the room. Sometimes they are locked from the hallway also, but they wouldn’t want the “patients” to just wander. Who is locking who from whom?

  125. The Kate/Jack/Sawyer plotline is in the ditch.

    I prefer the sci-fi items - secret of the island, Valenzetti numbers, etc., but the “love triangle” is always intriguing. Unfortunately, I think they overplayed their hand in season two. I’m not advocating for pablum, but there are certain storytelling parameters and audience trust issues that they have disregarded, and it has taken the legs out of this particular “soap” plotline, for me anyway.

    When they allowed Sawyer and Kate to have a real relationship, cages and beyond, Jack’s furtive fawnings for Kate made him seem pathetic, petty and dislikeable, and her switch back to Jack makes Kate look like the town bicycle. Essentially, the writers have betrayed the Sawyer character, a character they spent quite bit of effort enriching. Seems foolish.

    Oh well, it’s just dressing.

    * Valenzetti - end of the world - safe haven - Aaron is the key

  126. Did anyone else crack up when Sawyer called Miles “Donger”? Best line of the night

  127. docjock wrote:

    The Kate/Jack/Sawyer plotline is in the ditch.

    I prefer the sci-fi items - secret of the island, Valenzetti numbers, etc., but the “love triangle” is always intriguing. Unfortunately, I think they overplayed their hand in season two. I’m not advocating for pablum, but there are certain storytelling parameters and audience trust issues that they have disregarded, and it has taken the legs out of this particular “soap” plotline, for me anyway.

    When they allowed Sawyer and Kate to have a real relationship, cages and beyond, Jack’s furtive fawnings for Kate made him seem pathetic, petty and dislikeable, and her switch back to Jack makes Kate look like the town bicycle. Essentially, the writers have betrayed the Sawyer character, a character they spent quite bit of effort enriching. Seems foolish.

    Oh well, it’s just dressing.

    * Valenzetti - end of the world - safe haven - Aaron is the key

    I don’t know. Call me girlie but I don’t mind the triangle. I just don’t like that Kate’s seemingly playing Sawyer because I love Sawyer. But I like Kate and Jack together. Well, not the unhappily ever after part their future seems to take on. But I think it does still bring something to the storyline. Granted, I am more interested in learning more about the sci-fi mysteries of the island but I don’t mind the Jack/Kate/Sawyer thing-for now anyways. I’m just glad Juliet’s out of the rhombus.

  128. Hammer wrote:

    Hammer wrote:

    sector7 wrote:

    _____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ‘05, ‘06, or ‘07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?

    Shhhhhhhhh, trying to sleep.

    I half tried, but gotta go to bed. Look for series sweeps between 04 and 08, may have happened more than once. August 07 is the latest one I think….

    +++++++
    There was a 5 game sweep in August 06 that is considered a major whoopin’. Nothing really in 04 or 05 that I can find.

    Now let me sleep. Check back tomorrow….snoring….

    ___________________________________
    August ‘06. Nice work, Hammer. Was A-Rod a major factor?

    That time frame makes sense going by the apparent age of Aaron.

    If we determine this is the time frame, what else does this tell us?

  129. Hey, usually theres 100 more pages of comments to read, whats up!? I’ve got hours left here at work. ANYWAY… long time reader, first time poster… any one catch the sweet peaks at kates limbs last night? Yeow!
    Besides that, I believe the love triangle and the sci-fi aspect are about to meet head on. Think about what Hurley said about being dead, and about how Jack isn’t supposed to take care of “him” (aaron?)
    What caught my attention was Jack saying to Kate “I’m the one who’s here.” (etc.)
    Remember Charlie said “yes, I’m dead… but I’m also here.”

    Not sure where I’m going here exactly, but I’m always intrigued by the wandering dead aspect. Dead who don’t know they are dead. Perhaps a seemingly well done appendix operation, didn’t turn out so well after all?

    Man, Kate does have amazing legs though :)

  130. Good Ep, not a great one but it still answered some questions that were in the back of my mind…did anyone notice that Jack had another Tattoo on the underside of his arm? Has that always been there or is that new??

  131. Why did Jack say to Kate that he’s the one that saved her?

    So this is post-Kate’s trial and pre-Jack with a beard…but where does the flash forward from earlier in the season with Hurley fit in? The one where they played horse? I’m assuming it’s after that since Hurley still seemed pretty normal then.

    Rose’s comment to Bernard was interesting about how people get better on the island, not sick. Maybe only people who are chosen, who are meant to be there get better and the people the island are trying to get rid of get sick.

    I’m still confused about what exactly Charlotte and Dan and Miles are all doing there and why they were hand picked by Abbadon to go on the mission with Naomi. If their mission was really to get Ben, it seems like Keamy and crew could have taken care of that…why did they really need a physicist and an anthropologist? I can see needing Dan to shut off the gas, but he seems pretty useless after that and Charlotte hasn’t done anything except be rude and complain.

  132. I remember an episode where Sawyer tells Kate about his daughter and says he has some money he wants Kate to transfer to Clementine. Anyone else remember that?

  133. Hurley sees Charlie, Jack sees his Dad who else from O6 will start seeing dead people who they never resovled issues with???

  134. Dan is there to chart the course/deal with the time shift.

    Miles is there to speak/commune with Jacob.

    Charlotte is there to decipher the Temple, et al.

  135. docjock wrote:

    Dan is there to chart the course/deal with the time shift.

    Miles is there to speak/commune with Jacob.

    Charlotte is there to decipher the Temple, et al.

    I can see where you’re coming from…I guess it would make more sense if they actually seemed like they were doing something instead of just sitting around Camp Jack and lying to everyone. With the exception of Daniel and Frank, they don’t seem like they’re doing their job. Hopefully we’ll get to see what they’re really there for soon!

  136. re: the triangle

    It’s not the triangle I mind, it’s what I perceive as a storytelling flaw in the execution of the device, and what they are asking of the viewers in regard to “camping” with the three.

  137. Who was Kate on the phone with?…were the writers just trying to show Jack’s paranoia? Was the person she was talking to the same him she had to get back to from the airport in last season’s finale? Is it Ben?

    In last week’s episode with Ben and Sayid, he was obviously playing on Sayid emotions to manipulate him to do his work…that creepy smile after they talked in the alley-thing. Maybe Ben is somehow manipulating Kate to do his bidding also.

  138. I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?

  139. It is so tough not being able to discuss previews here…I know who the “weird guy” is…was pretty sure and confirmed it for myself on Lostpedia.com…anyway enough of that!

  140. adriennez wrote:

    I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?

    I don’t know that he heard the actual whispers that other Losties have heard before. They were much more audible than previous whispers and you could tell it sounded more like a re-play of what happened to Danielle and Karl instead of someone or something trying to communicate something with him. I think maybe just since he has a special connection to the dead and they were basically standing right on top of their graves that he was able to hear them and hear how they died…kind of like he did with Naomi.

  141. Lucky wrote:

    I remember an episode where Sawyer tells Kate about his daughter and says he has some money he wants Kate to transfer to Clementine. Anyone else remember that?

    I don’t remember an episode where he told Kate that but I could be wrong.

  142. wally p wrote:

    Hey, usually theres 100 more pages of comments to read, whats up!? I’ve got hours left here at work. ANYWAY… long time reader, first time poster… any one catch the sweet peaks at kates limbs last night? Yeow!
    Besides that, I believe the love triangle and the sci-fi aspect are about to meet head on. Think about what Hurley said about being dead, and about how Jack isn’t supposed to take care of “him” (aaron?)
    What caught my attention was Jack saying to Kate “I’m the one who’s here.” (etc.)
    Remember Charlie said “yes, I’m dead… but I’m also here.”

    Not sure where I’m going here exactly, but I’m always intrigued by the wandering dead aspect. Dead who don’t know they are dead. Perhaps a seemingly well done appendix operation, didn’t turn out so well after all?

    Man, Kate does have amazing legs though :)

    Yeah maybe….it’s only their mind at the island or back in civilization. Isn’t that what happened to Desmond and what Daniel was doing. He didn’t physically send the rat in the future. Just the mind. At this point it can be anything.

  143. adriennez wrote:

    It is so tough not being able to discuss previews here…I know who the “weird guy” is…was pretty sure and confirmed it for myself on Lostpedia.com…anyway enough of that!

    Yes, but we have to stay away from temptation, my wife didn’t forgot who he is too.

  144. GUP wrote:

    Hammer- please stop in Kenosha on your way either to or from Milw for a LAA meeting!

    If I get a weak moment, I’ll pop in. :)

  145. Lar wrote:

    Did anyone else crack up when Sawyer called Miles “Donger”? Best line of the night

    Yes and I LMAO.

  146. Juliet telling Kate about the kiss with Jack and how it was for him was a good nod to the total lack of chemistry during that kiss. I thought it was bad acting, but now I see that perhaps it was intentional.

    I believe the order of the Jack/Hurley/Kate flash forwards are

    Kate’s trial
    Jack & Hurley play horse and Charlie visits Hurley
    Jack & Kate get engaged and Jack visit Hurley
    Jack & Kate meet at the airport

    : ) P

  147. Lucky wrote:

    I remember an episode where Sawyer tells Kate about his daughter and says he has some money he wants Kate to transfer to Clementine. Anyone else remember that?

    Sounds familiar to me, but I haven’t found it. All I can find is this about the money:
    After learning the location of Munson’s stolen $10 million and turning the information over to the Treasury Department, Sawyer instructs Agent Freedman to use Sawyer’s commission to open an account in any Albuquerque bank under the name of Clementine Phillips.

  148. I did some baseball research..we are a bunch of baseball nuts in this family…Boston beat the NY Yankees in the 2004(flight 815 crash year)American League Championship…they went on to beat the St.Louis Cardinals to break “the curse of the Bambino” and win the 2004 World Series. I guess this was the tape that Ben showed to Jack when he was the Others prisoner. The American League championship took place from Oct.12 to Oct.21 and the 2004 World Series was played Oct.23 to Oct.27. Flight 815 disappeared on Sept.22 2004.

    Here is something coincidentally weird…2004 was ARod’s first season with the Yankees…Yankess third basemen Aaron Boone(!)had suffered an injury and there was an opening at third base so he agreed to switch positions from shortstop(which was Derek Jeter’s position). ARod set a bunch of new records with the Yankees that season. Jack says something about ARod when he is looking at the newspaper.

    I guess some kind of time travel thing would have had to happen for this to have been all happening in 2004…

    I am still a little confused on the flash forwards…last season’s finale flash forwards with Jack and Kate seem to have taken place after the ones which we saw last night.

    I cannot remember exactly what the newspaper article Jack was reading said…does anyone else?

  149. I had a thought about Sawyer and the island. I think it is possible that Sawyer got off the island and is living in secrecy (a la Michael/Kevin). Maybe Kate knows Sawyer is off island but Jack does not. In that case, it is possible that Sawyer and Kate are in contact, both on the phone and in person.

    : ) P

  150. Three things:

    1. I saw at least two references to Jack’s control issues - once during the appendectomy and also when he is quesitioning Kate about who she visited. The tight shot on her face during the latter scene hints that she is finally realizing Jack has a major character flaw.

    2. Hurley’s dilemma is yet another example of the living/dead theme. I remember in the very first season, one of the theories of the show was that everyone died in the plane crash but not everyone realizes it.

    But Hurley also questioned whether they were dreams and questioned reality itself, which remind me of Buddist philosphy. So, yet another religious theme!!

    3. Lastly, there were at least two tight camera shots on the Millenium Falcon. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean, other than the obvious allusion to space travel?

  151. Lins wrote:

    adriennez wrote:

    I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?

    I don’t know that he heard the actual whispers that other Losties have heard before. They were much more audible than previous whispers and you could tell it sounded more like a re-play of what happened to Danielle and Karl instead of someone or something trying to communicate something with him. I think maybe just since he has a special connection to the dead and they were basically standing right on top of their graves that he was able to hear them and hear how they died…kind of like he did with Naomi.

    The whispers were more audible because of his abilities…maybe that is what the whispers are…replaying something that happened at another time…that is what I was trying to say. We do not really know yet what they are but that a few different people have heard them and they usually seem to come right before an “other” pops up in the jungle.

  152. O.k…i just have to say i was wrong wrong wrong. I sat there last night after the ep realizing that sometimes I get distracted from the simplicity of the show. I create these complicated theories in my head and I let them build and build. If Jack/Kate was in fact the spectacular kiss we have been hearing about, then i was way off base. I just assumed that it was to easy to think it could be them.
    I guess LAA isn’t working for me…maybe i need to go to Santa Rosa :)

  153. spiralturtle wrote:

    Three things:

    1. I saw at least two references to Jack’s control issues - once during the appendectomy and also when he is quesitioning Kate about who she visited. The tight shot on her face during the latter scene hints that she is finally realizing Jack has a major character flaw.

    2. Hurley’s dilemma is yet another example of the living/dead theme. I remember in the very first season, one of the theories of the show was that everyone died in the plane crash but not everyone realizes it.

    But Hurley also questioned whether they were dreams and questioned reality itself, which remind me of Buddist philosphy. So, yet another religious theme!!

    3. Lastly, there were at least two tight camera shots on the Millenium Falcon. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean, other than the obvious allusion to space travel?

    What is the Millenium Falcon? Is that the toy that Jack stepped on in the beginning of the episode?

  154. Another thought…a couple of episodes ago…Ji-Yeon…Hurley flies to Korea to see Sun and the baby and attend Jin’s memorial…he was together enough at that point to get in a plane and fly across the world but in last night’s episode he seemed pretty loopy…

  155. 3. Lastly, there were at least two tight camera shots on the Millenium Falcon. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean, other than the obvious allusion to space travel?

    Oh! I got this from Lostpedia: Luke Skywalker was raised by an uncle (Jack/Aaron), and Luke and Leah didn’t know they were brother and sister.

  156. adriennez wrote:

    I did some baseball research..we are a bunch of baseball nuts in this family…Boston beat the NY Yankees in the 2004(flight 815 crash year)American League Championship…they went on to beat the St.Louis Cardinals to break “the curse of the Bambino” and win the 2004 World Series. I guess this was the tape that Ben showed to Jack when he was the Others prisoner. The American League championship took place from Oct.12 to Oct.21 and the 2004 World Series was played Oct.23 to Oct.27. Flight 815 disappeared on Sept.22 2004.

    Here is something coincidentally weird…2004 was ARod’s first season with the Yankees…Yankess third basemen Aaron Boone(!)had suffered an injury and there was an opening at third base so he agreed to switch positions from shortstop(which was Derek Jeter’s position). ARod set a bunch of new records with the Yankees that season. Jack says something about ARod when he is looking at the newspaper.

    I guess some kind of time travel thing would have had to happen for this to have been all happening in 2004…

    I am still a little confused on the flash forwards…last season’s finale flash forwards with Jack and Kate seem to have taken place after the ones which we saw last night.

    I cannot remember exactly what the newspaper article Jack was reading said…does anyone else?

    The headline was Yankees blugeon Red Sox in series sweep.

  157. adriennez wrote:

    Lins wrote:

    adriennez wrote:

    I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?

    I don’t know that he heard the actual whispers that other Losties have heard before. They were much more audible than previous whispers and you could tell it sounded more like a re-play of what happened to Danielle and Karl instead of someone or something trying to communicate something with him. I think maybe just since he has a special connection to the dead and they were basically standing right on top of their graves that he was able to hear them and hear how they died…kind of like he did with Naomi.

    The whispers were more audible because of his abilities…maybe that is what the whispers are…replaying something that happened at another time…that is what I was trying to say. We do not really know yet what they are but that a few different people have heard them and they usually seem to come right before an “other” pops up in the jungle.

    Good points — I’ll add that there is believe to be a phenomenon called a psychic imprint, where if something tragic happened, the energy created by the event can stay in place and “replay”. So Miles may have heard the psychic imprint.

    Off subject here, I have a stupid question — what’s a donger?

  158. Sawyer has become so protective over Hurley (last week’s episode) and Claire and Aaron. I was watching some episodes from Season 1 and he has come such a long way. Do y’all have any idea what might have triggered him to become so protective?

  159. A small Millenium Falcon toy was on the counter when Jack walked in the house…my husband kept going…that is Kate’s house and figured it out right away. It was a much smaller version than the one my son has…and I do not know how many toddlers are into Star Wars…my littlest son is but only because his big brother is…anyway, the toy being somewhat mini-sized reminded me of some Lost theory I read somewhere(maybe here)about the island being a miniature world and people being shrunk down in size…I don’t know about that…or maybe it is just in a land far, far away!

  160. spiralturtle wrote:

    3. Lastly, there were at least two tight camera shots on the Millenium Falcon. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean, other than the obvious allusion to space travel?

    For me it was just homage to Star Wars, they needed a toy to hint to us that there was a child in the home. Since they are big Star Wars fans…

  161. Juliet reminded me of Ben. Just the way she took over the whole situation as Ben did last week. I can definitely see her still working for Ben. Did anyone else notice a strange look between Bernard and Juliet? There is more to Bernard. D.D.S my A.S.S.
    Maybe the whole appendicitus was just a ruse to implant Jack with something? I like your timelines PJ. Now if we can just figure out where the rest of them fall in place. At least we now know that there has been no reverse order to them. I think?

  162. So freakin’ funny…in the 80’s movie “Sixteen Candles”…an Asian character called (questionable spelling here!)Long Duc Dong was an exchange student with Samantha’s family who gets caught up in the whole high school party scene and goes wild. At some point he starts calling himself “the Donger”.

    It was just one of Sawyer’s funny nicknames…this time for Miles.

  163. spiralturtle wrote:

    adriennez wrote:

    Lins wrote:

    adriennez wrote:

    I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?

    I don’t know that he heard the actual whispers that other Losties have heard before. They were much more audible than previous whispers and you could tell it sounded more like a re-play of what happened to Danielle and Karl instead of someone or something trying to communicate something with him. I think maybe just since he has a special connection to the dead and they were basically standing right on top of their graves that he was able to hear them and hear how they died…kind of like he did with Naomi.

    The whispers were more audible because of his abilities…maybe that is what the whispers are…replaying something that happened at another time…that is what I was trying to say. We do not really know yet what they are but that a few different people have heard them and they usually seem to come right before an “other” pops up in the jungle.

    Good points — I’ll add that there is believe to be a phenomenon called a psychic imprint, where if something tragic happened, the energy created by the event can stay in place and “replay”. So Miles may have heard the psychic imprint.

    Off subject here, I have a stupid question — what’s a donger?

    Donger was an Asian fellow in the movie Sixteen Candles. His actual name was Long Duc Dong and they called him the Donger.

  164. Is it me or do they never really show a good view of Aaron’s face? When Jack was reading the bedtime story to Aaron, the camera was kind of at an angle, and then when he came into the living room when Jack and Kate were arguing Aaron was sort of covering his face with his stuff animal and then Kate was blocking him when she went over to hug him. So we never really get good views of what Aaron looks like.

  165. lost4ever wrote:

    Juliet reminded me of Ben. Just the way she took over the whole situation as Ben did last week. I can definitely see her still working for Ben. Did anyone else notice a strange look between Bernard and Juliet? There is more to Bernard. D.D.S my A.S.S.
    Maybe the whole appendicitus was just a ruse to implant Jack with something?

    I like your timelines PJ. Now if we can just figure out where the rest of them fall in place. At least we now know that there has been no reverse order to them. I think?

    I so agree…I do not think I will ever really trust Juliet. I had the exact same thought about some kind of implant inside Jack!!

  166. Bailey Loves Lost wrote:

    Is it me or do they never really show a good view of Aaron’s face? When Jack was reading the bedtime story to Aaron, the camera was kind of at an angle, and then when he came into the living room when Jack and Kate were arguing Aaron was sort of covering his face with his stuff animal and then Kate was blocking him when she went over to hug him. So we never really get good views of what Aaron looks like.

    Actually I remember a pretty clear face on shot as he was sleeping. No the didn’t have that “look” people brought up before.

  167. I really like the character Frank Lapidus! He seems to have no other reason for joining the freighter expedition than finding out what happened to Flight 815 since he was supposed to be the pilot. He is the only one who seems to actually be looking out for the losties…maybe he is even working for or with someone else off the island who is looking to find out what happened to a loved one from the flight…we do have some connected people there.

  168. Hammer wrote:

    There was a 5 game sweep in August 06 that is considered a major whoopin’. Nothing really in 04 or 05 that I can find.

    ….

    Excellent find Hammer. A 5 game sweep would be considered a “bludgening” by many sports writers. Did we just see more evidence of the whispers theory or what?
    I am not sure if Miles physically saw Christian or just overheard the conversation between Claire and her father. There was no proof either way. She said “Dad” outloud.

  169. Maybe the island is trying to puni8sh jack for leaving. He is not supposed to leave yet he is trying to get everyone off. Island is punishing him?

    I think Sawyer may be so protective because his whole life has been revolved around killing Sawyer(Locke’s dad). Now he has accomplished it and now has nothing else to live for. Everyone has to have a life purpose and Sawyer now does not have one. Claire and Hurley all have become like family to him. The only family he has. It may be something he has always wanted but has been to blind to see. He may look at Hurley and Claire as like his brother and sister, that could be why Miles asked him about being her brother. He seems to be protecting them the way someone would protect their family.

  170. adriennez wrote:

    I really like the character Frank Lapidus! He seems to have no other reason for joining the freighter expedition than finding out what happened to Flight 815 since he was supposed to be the pilot. He is the only one who seems to actually be looking out for the losties…maybe he is even working for or with someone else off the island who is looking to find out what happened to a loved one from the flight…we do have some connected people there.

    I agree. Afterall, didn’t he know the pilot of Oceanic 815? I think he was actually supposed to be the pilot. So I couldn’t imagine Lapidus wanting to harm the Losties. Part of me doesn’t think that Lapidus, Miles, Daniel and Charlotte are there to do harm to them. The one I really don’t trust is Charlotte.

  171. I thought when they were first showing Aaron laying on the bed and Jack reading to him that he looked A LOT like Claire, maybe that is why they shot at that angle. No major storyline reason, just showing continuity between the real mom and Aaron.

  172. deangoodes wrote:

    I thought when they were first showing Aaron laying on the bed and Jack reading to him that he looked A LOT like Claire, maybe that is why they shot at that angle. No major storyline reason, just showing continuity between the real mom and Aaron.

    I did notice last night that he looked A LOT like Claire. Then again they made that clear at the end.

  173. PJ Sander- WOW. We actually learned a lot. Thanks for the Recap. It would have been very hard, IMO, to follow up last week’s episode. Did we also learn about the “spectacular kiss”?

  174. This is just a mention to last week’s episode. When Hurley said at the beginning of this season to Jack that he should have never gone with Locke, could he have been referring to going with Locke and Ben to find Jacob?

  175. Sawyer screaming at the end “Claire, Claire, Claire” reminded me of Michael “Walt, Walt, Walt”

  176. JohnCML wrote:

    Ok, so maybe I was looking too hard. But did I notice that when Jack went to visit Hurley, that the door was locked from the OUTSIDE? The doctor had to let Jack INTO the room with a card/code. But Jack just opened the door to leave. If a psych ward, they would lock Hurley IN the room. Sometimes they are locked from the hallway also, but they wouldn’t want the “patients” to just wander. Who is locking who from whom?

    ___
    I’m still reading before I leave my thoughts, however, I had to sneak in a post now to compliment you on your use of who and whom. Nice job.

  177. lost4ever wrote:

    I am not sure if Miles physically saw Christian or just overheard the conversation between Claire and her father. There was no proof either way. She said “Dad” outloud.

    I am wanting the the appearance of Charlie and Christian to be evidence that the Whisperers are starting to show themselves(like they said that they wanted to in the transcripts).

  178. Bailey Loves Lost wrote:

    This is just a mention to last week’s episode. When Hurley said at the beginning of this season to Jack that he should have never gone with Locke, could he have been referring to going with Locke and Ben to find Jacob?

    Excellent point. Maybe something really bad happens to Hurley on the way to or at the Cabin.

  179. A few things i was thinking about.
    1. Stars Wars toy..i think has to do with the fact (as said above somewhere) that Skywalker was raised by an uncle as Arron was being raised by Jack
    2. I’m thinking that CS is taking Claire to Jacob’s cabin
    3. Jack asked for a presciption of Clonazepam the same drug Hurley was taking.
    4. The X-ray Jack is looking at is of an osteblastoma (tumor) on the L-4 vertibrate..familiar? Ben’s tumor was also on the L-4.
    5. Jack was reading Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland to arron…i was wondering if anyone knows the exact part of the story he was reading.
    6. Miles told Sawyer he was “good with kids” interesting.

  180. Most of the episode titles seem to have more than one meaning. The obvious meaning for this ep would be Kate at home for Jack. Any thoughts on a different meaning? Maybe Jin making sure Sun gets home, making her his “something nice back home?” Just guessing….

  181. If Kate was doing something for Sawyer off the island, why should she feel the need to hide it from Jack?

  182. I don’t think hiding it from Jack was for her benefit, I think she said that Sawyer didn’t want Jack to know.

  183. Lins wrote:

    Rose’s comment to Bernard was interesting about how people get better on the island, not sick. Maybe only people who are chosen, who are meant to be there get better and the people the island are trying to get rid of get sick.

    I think this is extremely important. The only other main character that we have seen get sick is Ben. I think Rose’s comment was supposed to remind us of this and provide a connection between the two characters.

    I agree that the falcon was to show that this was Kate’s house. This is important because Jack received the work call on the home phone, so this relationship has been pretty serious for a decent amount of time now that he is having work call at Kate’s house. This is interesting too, because it looks very different than the place where Jack was when he saw Hurley’s car crash on TV. At this point Jack was already drinking pretty heavily (he spiked his orange juice) but this is before Hurley is in Santa Rosa… and therefore (presumably) before last night’s episode occurred.

  184. aside from title references, bernard specifically said to jack “don’t you want to be knocked out, thing of something nice back home”

    my big question: if jack isn’t supposed to be raising aaron, and CS visits him back in the “real world” after Hurley tells him this, why the hell would CS lead Claire away, presumably leading to the reason kate and jack are raising aaron?

  185. Quite simply, what if Charles Widmore is Ben’s constant and vice versa?

    More thoughts like that at robotindisguiseblog.blogspot.c...

  186. Aaron looks like a miniature version of the kid on “2 1/2 Men”.

    Is there any way that this set of flash forwards can be before Kate’s trial?
    Can Jack accept Aaron as in this episode, then reject him later, as he seems to in the Kate-centric episode?

    Just asking because many have theorized that the sequence of flash-forwards in reverse-chronological.

  187. Something else about the surgery that is interesting, Jack told Juliet that she was shaving two inches above where she needed to operate….

  188. I had another thought with the Millenium Falcon and Star Wars references in the episode…maybe it is saying something about fathers and sons…alot of that in Lost. Jack is being a surrogate father to Aaron who is actually his nephew. In Star Wars Luke Skywalker is raised by his uncle(and aunt) and later finds out that his father is someone who was basically an immaculate conception and started out with a mission to do good but was turned to do evil’s bidding.

    Sounds kind of like the manipulations and twists and turns of Lost.

  189. Tim wrote:

    Aaron looks like a miniature version of the kid on “2 1/2 Men”.

    Is there any way that this set of flash forwards can be before Kate’s trial?
    Can Jack accept Aaron as in this episode, then reject him later, as he seems to in the Kate-centric episode?

    Just asking because many have theorized that the sequence of flash-forwards in reverse-chronological.

    I thought that Kate said something to the affect to Jack that she was glad he changed his mind, or came back, or something like that. That would make me think this was after the trial. Because Jack also said to Kate that he saved her(?). I don’t think I have the wording right, but it was something along those lines.

  190. Tim wrote:

    Is there any way that this set of flash forwards can be before Kate’s trial?
    Can Jack accept Aaron as in this episode, then reject him later, as he seems to in the Kate-centric episode?

    Jack mentions the trial to Hurley, so this has to occur afterwards.

  191. Tim wrote:

    Aaron looks like a miniature version of the kid on “2 1/2 Men”.

    Is there any way that this set of flash forwards can be before Kate’s trial?
    Can Jack accept Aaron as in this episode, then reject him later, as he seems to in the Kate-centric episode?

    Just asking because many have theorized that the sequence of flash-forwards in reverse-chronological.

    ———–
    I think it was stated “after the trial”.

  192. oh, and I just have to say: I LOVE me some Rose and Bernard! They are the freakin cutest couple and I’m so glad the writers have been showing Bernard’s hero side….I wish they lived next door to me and I could hang out with them!

  193. I wonder why Keamy and the other bad people who killed Danielle and Karl took the time to actually bury them? I’m wondering why they didn’t just leave them there.

  194. Bailey Loves Lost wrote:

    Is it me or do they never really show a good view of Aaron’s face? When Jack was reading the bedtime story to Aaron, the camera was kind of at an angle, and then when he came into the living room when Jack and Kate were arguing Aaron was sort of covering his face with his stuff animal and then Kate was blocking him when she went over to hug him. So we never really get good views of what Aaron looks like.

    I expect that is more about leaving the door open for casting. Think about flash forwards and flashbacks that may show Aaron. If we have too much time to concentrate on his features, it will be more difficult to accept another child playing him in the “future.” Conversely, this child-actor is growing, so if they want, NEXT season, to show a flash to something that happens immediately AFTER the stuff we saw last night, it will require a different toddler to play Aaron.

    : ) P

  195. PJSander wrote:

    Bailey Loves Lost wrote:

    Is it me or do they never really show a good view of Aaron’s face? When Jack was reading the bedtime story to Aaron, the camera was kind of at an angle, and then when he came into the living room when Jack and Kate were arguing Aaron was sort of covering his face with his stuff animal and then Kate was blocking him when she went over to hug him. So we never really get good views of what Aaron looks like.

    I expect that is more about leaving the door open for casting. Think about flash forwards and flashbacks that may show Aaron. If we have too much time to concentrate on his features, it will be more difficult to accept another child playing him in the “future.” Conversely, this child-actor is growing, so if they want, NEXT season, to show a flash to something that happens immediately AFTER the stuff we saw last night, it will require a different toddler to play Aaron.

    : ) P

    :-) Good point!

  196. Hey guys love the analysis so far. Here is my input. There are alot of questions going around about the people from the freighter and why they are working together. I think if you put it into context with the info we have been given it makes sense. They are all working for Widmore sho put the expeditoin togehter obviously to get the ilsnad back under control. It is assumed that Widmore is affiliated with Dharma and used to be in the mix of the control of the island somehow. Right? I believe all the scientific and paranormal investigators from the freighter were never meant to make a return voyage. Thats why the mercs are there. Teh mercs are there to get Ben and get rid of anyone that has any knowledge of the island to keep it safe including our litlle dynamic foursome of Miles, Dan, Frank, and Violet. They were chosen because they knew to much about the Dharma experiments so they were perfect pics because they had the knowledge and needed to be gotten rid of to protect the island. It also seems like everyone that makes it back to the “Real World” eventually starts having visions in one form or another. Like Widmore with the scothch by his bed, Jack, Hurley. I wonder what kind of visions Bens having? And if all the other Oceanic 6 will suffer the same fate.

  197. Wow - great observances everyone. Here are the ones that stood out most to me:

    - Kate’s tooth was one of the first things I noticed. It seemed odd - Evangeline L. has such a pretty smile everwhere else.
    - There were moon and stars on the fridge and hanging above Aaron’s bed.
    - Then there’s the Mil. Falcon - two nods to space. Or star wars nod could be due to the fact that luke and lea were not raised by their parents.
    - Maybe Sawyer didn’t want anyone to know that he had a kid. Kate might be hooking up little Clementine with her inheritance.
    - But why did Sawyer “choose” to stay on the island - to protect the other who wanted to stay?
    - Like the smoke alarm going of when Christian appeared - a nod to smokey.
    - What was up with the Christ-like set up of Aaron in the jungle. Reminded me of a manger scene.
    - Kid’s monster drawing on the fridge like the one in Aaron’s bedroom.
    - How we heard the “shots” that killed Carl and Danielle - what else has Miles heard on the island that he hasn’t shared yet?
    - What was the point of Juliet telling Kate about her kissing Jack and then saying to Jack - I know you’ve been awake. I didn’t get the last part of doing that.
    - Hurley saying that Jack is going to be “visited” next. Reminded me of the Christmas Carol - ghosts of Christmases - past, present and future. Do we have visits by losties past? And was Christian Jack’s visitor?
    - Is Hurley right? Are they all dead? What else has Charlie told him - he says they just sit together.
    - Where did Christian take Claire. Are Claire and Christian going to meet up with Ben, Locke and Hurley at Jacob’s cabin?

    That’s all for now! What a great show. It didn’t have as much action as it did last week - but it still rocked!

  198. Also did anyone get a count of how many mercs orginaly came onto the island? Becasue yesterday I could have swore I saw 6 and that is how many I thought originaly were there.Did you also notice the wound on the merc that they were caring? It was the same merc that got dragged into the jungle by smokie in last weeks episode and the spot where smokie grabbed him looked all burnt and mangled but he was still alive. Why is smokie so good at killing losties but not mercs? Anyone else notice?

  199. omar wrote:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

    are u serious?-AWESOME episode

  200. Does anyone recall how many Losties were actually killed by Smokey?

  201. lola wrote:

    omar wrote:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

    are u serious?-AWESOME episode

    i think kate was checking on sawyer’s daughter

  202. - What was up with the Christ-like set up of Aaron in the jungle. Reminded me of a manger scene….

    Or Moses.

  203. I thought last night’s episode was pretty good. The thing I found interesting was that both Jack and Hurley seemed to be back in the same place where they were before they ever got to the island. Hurley was back at a mental clinic talking with “imaginary” friends. Jack was back to abusing substances, being overly jelous/ suspicious/ paranoid about what his woman was doing. Kate was the only one that has appearently been changed by the island experience. UNLESS there is something behind her phone conversation.

  204. Bailey Loves Lost wrote:

    Does anyone recall how many Losties were actually killed by Smokey?

    _____________
    Eko and the Pilot Seth Norris? Or was Seth Norris killed by a polar bear? And many many trees!

  205. Okay, so maybe everyone else has already figured this out but Jack’s father’s name is Christian Shepherd - which is a not-so-veiled reference to Jesus - Christ the shepherd?

    If we found out that he paid his way through med school as a carpenter… *g*

    So we have
    Charles Widmore
    Charlie Pace
    Charlotte Lewis

    Christian Shepherd is a CS and
    Charlotte’s first two initials are CS

    hmmm….

    : ) P

  206. Maybe Smokey isn’t so good at killing people. He’s only killed two in the whole time he’s been there, and if you hide in those trees he can’t get you. He could have gotten Locke that time that Locke just stood there and stared at him (don’t remember what season that was), but he didn’t. Maybe he just wanted to scare the people?

  207. PJSander wrote:

    Okay, so maybe everyone else has already figured this out but Jack’s father’s name is Christian Shepherd - which is a not-so-veiled reference to Jesus - Christ the shepherd?

    If we found out that he paid his way through med school as a carpenter… *g*

    So we have
    Charles Widmore
    Charlie Pace
    Charlotte Lewis

    Christian Shepherd is a CS and
    Charlotte’s first two initials are CS

    hmmm….

    : ) P

    All beging with “CH” lol

  208. Bailey Loves Lost wrote:

    PJSander wrote:

    Okay, so maybe everyone else has already figured this out but Jack’s father’s name is Christian Shepherd - which is a not-so-veiled reference to Jesus - Christ the shepherd?

    If we found out that he paid his way through med school as a carpenter… *g*

    So we have
    Charles Widmore
    Charlie Pace
    Charlotte Lewis

    Christian Shepherd is a CS and
    Charlotte’s first two initials are CS

    hmmm….

    : ) P

    All beging with “CH” lol

    **********************
    And actually Charlotte and Charlie are forms of Charles…

  209. Miles was staring at Aaron, not Claire.

  210. adriennez wrote:

    Who was Kate on the phone with?…were the writers just trying to show Jack’s paranoia? Was the person she was talking to the same him she had to get back to from the airport in last season’s finale? Is it Ben?

    In last week’s episode with Ben and Sayid, he was obviously playing on Sayid emotions to manipulate him to do his work…that creepy smile after they talked in the alley-thing. Maybe Ben is somehow manipulating Kate to do his bidding also.

    It crossed my mind also that she was actually talking to Ben, not Sawyer, and had promised Ben that she would do something.

    After reading these posts, however, it does seem more plausible that she’d doing something for Sawyer/Cassidy/Clementine.

  211. re: Comment 183
    I think this is extremely important. The only other main character that we have seen get sick is Ben. I think Rose’s comment was supposed to remind us of this and provide a connection between the two characters.

    I am sure Roses’ comment meant something, but we did see Sawyer extremely ill. He was shot of the raft. Floated back to the island. Captured by Eko/Ana. Got a real bad infection. Barely made it back to the Swan. Got treatment and still nearly died. Took weeks to get better. Seems like the island made no effort to cure the infection.

    About operations and Jack getting knocked out and then implanted with something, while that could be… a devious Bernard/Juliet with an absent Kate… didn’t Sawyer have an episode on the Hydra Island with Ben?… wasn’t that the threat of a defib implant that could stop James’ heart, like it did the bunnies’? How about all of the gals that got the “fertility clinic” treatment from Juliet and Ethan? Did they get implanted with some type of device?

  212. Wait a second. Maybe she is doing things for Ben but just said Sawyer, because she didn’t want Jack to know who she was dealing with.

  213. Well if she is doing things for Ben, isn’t it possible that she could be helping the Losties left on the island, like Sawyer. Remember Ben telling Sayid something about “You want to help your friends, don’t you?” So if she was working for Ben, she could be doing something for Sawyer….

  214. Laura wrote:

    Lins wrote:

    Rose’s comment to Bernard was interesting about how people get better on the island, not sick. Maybe only people who are chosen, who are meant to be there get better and the people the island are trying to get rid of get sick.

    I think this is extremely important. The only other main character that we have seen get sick is Ben. I think Rose’s comment was supposed to remind us of this and provide a connection between the two characters.

    I agree that the falcon was to show that this was Kate’s house. This is important because Jack received the work call on the home phone, so this relationship has been pretty serious for a decent amount of time now that he is having work call at Kate’s house. This is interesting too, because it looks very different than the place where Jack was when he saw Hurley’s car crash on TV. At this point Jack was already drinking pretty heavily (he spiked his orange juice) but this is before Hurley is in Santa Rosa… and therefore (presumably) before last night’s episode occurred.

    So is it a possibility that the “Kate & Jack” we saw last night happened AFTER Jack has already gone through his drinking/drug problems? Maybe he has already cleaned up by the time he and Kate get serious. That would explain Aaron’s age.

  215. Bailey Loves Lost wrote:

    Well if she is doing things for Ben, isn’t it possible that she could be helping the Losties left on the island, like Sawyer. Remember Ben telling Sayid something about “You want to help your friends, don’t you?” So if she was working for Ben, she could be doing something for Sawyer….

    She just seemed a little too happy and flirty on the phone to be talking to Ben…IMO

  216. deangoodes wrote:

    Most of the episode titles seem to have more than one meaning. The obvious meaning for this ep would be Kate at home for Jack. Any thoughts on a different meaning? Maybe Jin making sure Sun gets home, making her his “something nice back home?” Just guessing….

    bernard asks jack if he isn’t sure he would like to be knocked out before the appendectomy dreaming of something nice back home.

  217. Tim wrote:

    Wait a second. Maybe she is doing things for Ben but just said Sawyer, because she didn’t want Jack to know who she was dealing with.

    It seems like that might be, the ones not working for Ben seem very troubled. So far Sayid seems “okay” and Kate does too…maybe right.

  218. “Noreen” was apparently the name for a British cipher machine…

    Also, good point about Sawyer, however I feel like Ben/Jack’s issues are different because they are “random”. Sawyer got sick from getting shot, just like Boone (and others) have gotten seriously injured/sick from things that have physically happened to them. As Rose pointed out, Why did Jack get sick now? Nothing has happened to cause this, is just ‘randomly’ happened.

  219. I dont think this timeline is before jacks drug and alcohol problems started. They spent alot of time showing jack make that drink in the episode where Hurley gets busted and he barely puts any vodka in it at all. I think they did that to show he was starting to drink but a far cry from having a bottle of whiskey and a few beers sitting in front of you.

  220. jophelias wrote:

    So is it a possibility that the “Kate & Jack” we saw last night happened AFTER Jack has already gone through his drinking/drug problems? Maybe he has already cleaned up by the time he and Kate get serious. That would explain Aaron’s age.

    I don’t thinks so, Hurley made the comment about Jack changing his mind about Aaaron.

  221. Lins wrote:

    She just seemed a little too happy and flirty on the phone to be talking to Ben…IMO

    Who knows what happens between Ben and Kate. He may have set her up with adopting Aaron. I also remember that she has great criminal skills. She’s robbed banks (playing the victim), run cons, blew-up a house, good with weapons, knows mountaineering/tracking. Sayid has massive skills too, that go hand-in-hand with Ben’s FF missions. Kate & Sayid are operatives for Team Ben in FF-world. Jack & Hurley are not and are suffering the consequences (no vaccine for you!). Sun probably has her father’s protection, vis-a-vis a deal with Ben to leave her alone.

  222. DocH wrote:

    Lins wrote:

    She just seemed a little too happy and flirty on the phone to be talking to Ben…IMO

    Who knows what happens between Ben and Kate. He may have set her up with adopting Aaron. I also remember that she has great criminal skills. She’s robbed banks (playing the victim), run cons, blew-up a house, good with weapons, knows mountaineering/tracking. Sayid has massive skills too, that go hand-in-hand with Ben’s FF missions. Kate & Sayid are operatives for Team Ben in FF-world. Jack & Hurley are not and are suffering the consequences (no vaccine for you!). Sun probably has her father’s protection, vis-a-vis a deal with Ben to leave her alone.

    ******************
    I’m not saying she’s not qualified to work for Ben, she’s pretty hard core…but the way she was talking on the phone, it just didn’t sound like she was talking to Ben. Remember how Sayid communicated with Ben on the phone in The Economist? It was all very CIA-ish, this seemed more like a friendly call than business. But who knows…if only we knew what her and Ben talked about at that beach breakfast!

  223. Some of that is true, but I recall her just being hooked up with the wrong people in some of those criminal activities. Right?

  224. Laura wrote:

    As Rose pointed out, Why did Jack get sick now? Nothing has happened to cause this, is just ‘randomly’ happened.

    That’s the thing about appendicitis, total randomness. Heck, the way the Losties have been eating, living, stressing, mourning, etc… for the past 100 days, I am not surprised that they don’t have more folks out of commission with intestinal malaise (parasites, amoebic dysentary…).
    Maybe it is ‘All in the Water’, ala Hammer-man?

  225. deangoodes wrote:

    Some of that is true, but I recall her just being hooked up with the wrong people in some of those criminal activities. Right?

    Oh no, I think she was the mastermind behind those activities. She blew up the house to deliberately kill her dad, she ran the con in the bank to get the lock box with the plane in it, she used Cassidy to get time to talk to her mom, she learned the tracking and hunting from her military “dad”…like I said, she’s pretty hard core!

  226. Lins wrote:

    … but the way she was talking on the phone, it just didn’t sound like she was talking to Ben.

    My thinking is that it was Cassady, but I won’t rule out Ben either. She could be flirty with Ben, not out of personal interest in Ben, but out of self-preservation for herself and Aaron.

    Translation: Flirt with Ben = keeps Ben off my back. We’ve seen her fake flirt lots of times. Happy smile, eyes smile, head tilts… then when its over she turns away, scowls, squints an eye and flares nostrils.

  227. DocH wrote:

    Laura wrote:

    As Rose pointed out, Why did Jack get sick now? Nothing has happened to cause this, is just ‘randomly’ happened.

    That’s the thing about appendicitis, total randomness. Heck, the way the Losties have been eating, living, stressing, mourning, etc… for the past 100 days, I am not surprised that they don’t have more folks out of commission with intestinal malaise (parasites, amoebic dysentary…).
    Maybe it is ‘All in the Water’, ala Hammer-man?

    Maybe it is in the water…mine ruptured. Not fun.

  228. I know everyone is weird about the whole coffin thing and bringing it up, but if she is working with Ben and Ben may be in the coffin why wouldn’t she go see him?

    I don’t even understand who or what Ben is. Do we know yet for sure who staged the crash at the bottom of the ocean. Some people say Whidmore…some people claim it is Ben. Maybe I missed something somewhere. Ben just seems to be so powerful for some dorky kid that killed off Dharma.

    Sorry I guess this has nothing to do with the episode. It’s just you watch one episode and your mind starts spinning about everything.

  229. why was Hurley getting all emo talking about Charlie to Jack? when he “saw” charlie he wasnt emo like that. maybe its because he didnt blink the whole time i talked to jack? hehehe..

    when jack got out of bed, i did not see any scar to indicate the appendectomy. all the more reason to watch this episode again. i didnt even know that Bernard was a DDS, and what is a DDS?

    just wanted to point out that jack’s character flaw of being super jealous and having trust issues is because of what happened in his marriage with the blonde neck fixer upper girl. i dont recall him being like that before, (or they never showed it) but i just wanted to say that its a result of a past situation. he is perfect in every other way ;p

    i think at this point he also knows that aaron is his relative, why else would you bring up such a point, randomly?

    sawyer and jin either died back at the island or are protecting those that decided to stay there. i cant think of what locke is doing, maybe the next ben?

    where is alpert and the rest of the ppl? we have yet to see the temple…sigh so many questions!!!

    it was sort of a disappointment that this episode did not follow the intensity of last week’s episode, considering also that the first half of this season was pretty much nonstop action packed episode after episode. i guess they need to slow things down a bit so we can catch our breath and take it chill. next week better be back to high intensity!! i love talking to my tv!!

  230. kathy wrote:

    First time posting long time reader.
    I thought it very strange that Miles was able to hear Karl & Danielle and find their bodies but when Sawyer asked Miles in the morning about Clair he did not seem to say he SAW anyone. I realize that Christian said nothing and it seems Miles can only hear the dead. But does this mean that people who die on the Island because of the time difference are not dead until they catch up to the off island time? Christian died a few days before the crash and if the time is different then he maybe has not died and therefore Miles cannot commutate with them? Im confused cause Karl & Danielle both died on the island and so did Naomi and he was able to hear them. But why not Christian? I think there is something going on here.

    Check out abc.com for the lost missing pieces clip that shows christian moments before the first scene of the first episode……

  231. Regarding the baseball article in the paper; in the five game sweep in 2006 that was mentioned earlier, a rod went 7 for 21 with five rbis but no home runs. for those of you that dont follow baseball, this is a decent series but no reason for jack to bring up a rod. we may need to find another sweep!

  232. DDS - Dentist

  233. I think Jack is afraid he is going to lose Kate the same way he lost his first wife and that is why he is quizzing her. To find out if it is a man she is talking with.

    I think he has a good idea who it is and wants Kate to admit it.

    And she seems to feel if she tells him what she is up to, he will be very upset. That’s why I can’t see how it is just her visiting Sawyer’s daughter.

    Unless there is more info we are missing.

  234. i didnt even know that Bernard was a DDS, and what is a DDS?

    jack’s character flaw of being super jealous and having trust issues is because of what happened in his marriage…

    DDS is generally referred to as Doctor of Dental Science (aka Dentist, Periodontist, ‘Jaw Breaker’) meaning he has the medical skills to administer anesthesia for Jacks abdominal surgery, get the local shot, stitch the wounds, sterlize the incision site, pass the surgical tools to Juliet, etc….

    Good point about Jacks’ marriage. Last nights episode reminded me that we saw his ex-wife in the far future flash-forward where Jack says ‘we have to go back’. Funny how he was going to marry Kate in the story last night, but they appear to never get any closer - because a year (or so) after the Kate proposal - he still has his ex-wife Sarah listed as his ‘emergency contact’ with the hospital. He never changed it to Kate, even though he was living with, sleeping with and proposing to Kate in this FF. hmmm-

  235. I think that whatever happens to Kate and Jack has something to do with Jacks visitor and what Hurley tells him in the hospital about not “raising him”. Maybe Kate has a visitor to and whatever she is told forces her to split away from Jack even more. Maybe a manifestation of Sawyer?

  236. From the news article concerning the red sox/yankees “The sweep was more emphatic last August, when the Yankees rampaged into Fenway Park and won three games to bury the Boston Red Sox. The best the Yamkees could do this time was to win three at Yankee stadium and chisel a cuhnk from Boston’s sizable league in the American League East.” The article goes on to state that Curt Schilling was the losing pitcher and Robinson Cano hit 2 home runs. the Yankees won 5-0.

  237. Curt Schilling lost to the Yankees 5-0 on August 30, 2007. In that game Robinson Cano hit 2 home runs. ARod was 0-3 in the game, with a run, walk and sstolen base. Nothing to spectacular. If that date is correct, how old would that make Aaron?

  238. Dub8er_e wrote:

    I think that whatever happens to Kate and Jack has something to do with Jacks visitor and what Hurley tells him in the hospital about not “raising him”. Maybe Kate has a visitor to and whatever she is told forces her to split away from Jack even more. Maybe a manifestation of Sawyer?

    MAYBE THAT IS IT! JACK SAYS SAWYER STAYED BEHIND AND MAYE THEY ALL DIED. SAWYER IS kATE’S DEAD FRIEND THAT COMES AND VISITS HER AND HE ASKED HER TO DO SOMETHING! YES! I KNEW THERE WAS AN EXPLANATION!

  239. lost4ever wrote:

    Juliet reminded me of Ben. Just the way she took over the whole situation as Ben did last week. I can definitely see her still working for Ben. Did anyone else notice a strange look between Bernard and Juliet? There is more to Bernard. D.D.S my A.S.S.
    Maybe the whole appendicitus was just a ruse to implant Jack with something?

    I like your timelines PJ. Now if we can just figure out where the rest of them fall in place. At least we now know that there has been no reverse order to them. I think?

    Calm down. Sometimes a look is just a look. I’m all for getting into theories, but please, Juliet and Bernard conspiring with Ben to topple all the Losties? Come on.

  240. Can someone help me with something? Didn’t Jack say in the first flash forward…something about if anyone went and checked his father, he’d be even more drunk? As if Christian was alive and well? All this time I was assuming that somehow Christian was alive in future. Someone clarify for me?

  241. Love’s Labour Lost wrote:

    Juliet and Bernard conspiring with Ben to topple all the Losties?

    I dont think I ever stated that. But why would it be that far-fetched that Juliet is still working for Ben?

  242. Love’s Labour Lost wrote:

    Juliet and Bernard conspiring with Ben to topple all the Losties?

    lost4ever wrote:

    I dont think I ever stated that. But why would it be that far-fetched that Juliet is still working for Ben?

    Her single objective for three years has been to get off the island and get back to her sister. And with Ben hitting on her and putting Goodwin at deaths door, I’d say she could still be loyal to Ben, JUST to get off the island, not in support of his ideology.

    Bernard? He is thee last remaining Tailie in the Lostie camp. Maybe he was abducted by the Others, brainwashed, and returned to Tailie beach camp to wreck havoc on the Losties. Doubtful though as he killed Others (w/ Jin & Sayid) as they raided the Lostie beach camp. Juliet also went to save the raid captives w/ Sawyer & Hurley.

  243. Bobbi wrote:

    Can someone help me with something? Didn’t Jack say in the first flash forward…something about if anyone went and checked his father, he’d be even more drunk? As if Christian was alive and well? All this time I was assuming that somehow Christian was alive in future. Someone clarify for me?

    By the time that scene happens, Jack has seen the apparitiion of his dead father at least once, probably more. Someone who is seeing their dead father (and probably speaking to him) might say something like that, don’t you think?

    Someone else mentioned that Sawyer might be dead and visiting Kate — but what about Jin visiting Sun? Now that makes sense when you think about how Sun thought she would see him when she was giving birth, no?

  244. lost4ever wrote:

    Curt Schilling lost to the Yankees 5-0 on August 30, 2007. In that game Robinson Cano hit 2 home runs. ARod was 0-3 in the game, with a run, walk and sstolen base. Nothing to spectacular. If that date is correct, how old would that make Aaron?

    Check this out. buddytv.com/articles/Image/LOS...

  245. Given the information in the article, there is only one viable date for time: August 31, 2007. Given Aaron’s birth on November 1, 2004, and ignoring any relative time distortions, this would put Aaron at around 2 years and 10 months old.

  246. Im not sure who asked this or if it has been answered but Jack DID have a scar. You could see it when he picked up the razor when he was by the sink and Kate was taking a shower.

  247. Angel wrote:

    Im not sure who asked this or if it has been answered but Jack DID have a scar. You could see it when he picked up the razor when he was by the sink and Kate was taking a shower.

    Still wouldn’t surprise me if the island completely healed it. Same thing when we didn’t see Locke’s bullet scar… Rose knows.

    The island can heal and the island can make you sick. Maybe it made Jack sick because he’s trying to leave. Maybe it made Ben sick (his cancerous tumor) and we don’t know why?

    Maybe the island is making Jack a pill-popping drunk because it wants him back.

  248. sector7 wrote:

    Angel wrote:

    Im not sure who asked this or if it has been answered but Jack DID have a scar. You could see it when he picked up the razor when he was by the sink and Kate was taking a shower.

    Still wouldn’t surprise me if the island completely healed it. Same thing when we didn’t see Locke’s bullet scar… Rose knows.

    The island can heal and the island can make you sick. Maybe it made Jack sick because he’s trying to leave. Maybe it made Ben sick (his cancerous tumor) and we don’t know why?

    Maybe the island is making Jack a pill-popping drunk because it wants him back.

    ————–
    Comment 203 has a link. In the bottom middle picture there looks to be a scar.

  249. sector7 wrote:

    lost4ever wrote:

    Curt Schilling lost to the Yankees 5-0 on August 30, 2007. In that game Robinson Cano hit 2 home runs. ARod was 0-3 in the game, with a run, walk and sstolen base. Nothing to spectacular. If that date is correct, how old would that make Aaron?

    Check this out. buddytv.com/articles/Image/LOS...

    ———-
    That’s where I got comment 237 from. Aaron looks about 3.

  250. deangoodes wrote:

    Most of the episode titles seem to have more than one meaning. The obvious meaning for this ep would be Kate at home for Jack. Any thoughts on a different meaning? Maybe Jin making sure Sun gets home, making her his “something nice back home?” Just guessing….

    That is a direct quote from Bernard when he was telling Jack to dream before putting him under.

  251. When Jack got the phone call from work, what exactly did the lady on the other end say to him? It was something like, “I know how important your calendar is to you”. Is he having issues with remembering dates because of the time warp? Did she say it because he is hung over all the time? Not sure what she said but I am sure it was significant.

    Loved the show!!! Rose rocks!

  252. ha ha. very funny.

  253. Bailey Loves Lost wrote:

    Maybe Smokey isn’t so good at killing people. He’s only killed two in the whole time he’s been there, and if you hide in those trees he can’t get you. He could have gotten Locke that time that Locke just stood there and stared at him (don’t remember what season that was), but he didn’t. Maybe he just wanted to scare the people?

    I think smokey only kills when it wants to, and for a reason. It seems like it could have easily killed Locke in season 2, and Juliet in season 3. Or Jack, Charlie & Kate in the pilot. Must not have killed the mercs for a reason.

    Heard it somewhere else, but, how about the smoke alarm going off? Smoke(y) is what sets them off, right?

  254. Nice call, Donger. You rock!

    Here’s one to chew on: Claire didn’t know her dad had died.

  255. Hey Donger, wouldn’t it be wierd if everyone disappeared from this blog the way Claire disappeared last night? Donger? Donger! Donger!!!

  256. 4815162342 wrote:

    Regarding the baseball article in the paper; in the five game sweep in 2006 that was mentioned earlier, a rod went 7 for 21 with five rbis but no home runs. for those of you that dont follow baseball, this is a decent series but no reason for jack to bring up a rod. we may need to find another sweep!

    I brought up the most recent sweep in post 106.

  257. Hammer wrote:

    4815162342 wrote:

    Regarding the baseball article in the paper; in the five game sweep in 2006 that was mentioned earlier, a rod went 7 for 21 with five rbis but no home runs. for those of you that dont follow baseball, this is a decent series but no reason for jack to bring up a rod. we may need to find another sweep!

    I brought up the most recent sweep in post 106.

    Yep. You deserve the credit for that one. Found it in your sleep no less.

  258. PJSander wrote:

    omar wrote:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

    I guess we were watching different episodes because while this was not a “sit on the edge of your seat” episode, I found it both entertaining and compelling.

    We learned that flash forwards do not occur in reverse chronological order.

    We learned that Kate and Jack got their happy “not quite an” ending.

    We learned how Sun and Jin will be separated.

    We learned something about Claire and Aaron’s separation.

    We learned that Miles hears whispers - perhaps they are always there, but average people only hear them on the island.

    We learned that Karl and Danielle are, indeed, dead.

    We learned that most of the freighter guys survived Smokey (I counted five, and I think Miles thought there were six).

    We learned that smoke alarm beeps sound mysteriously like the computer’s countdown beeps as it approached 108 minutes.

    We learned that Christian can appear in SOME form OFF the island.

    We learned that Charlie has appeared in SOME FORM repeatedly to Hurley.

    We saw the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral.

    We can look the S3 finale flashforward with new eyes - Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.

    So yeah… I learned a lot. Then again, Omar, I think you have had similar reactions to a number of episodes. Were I a catty person, I might say more.

    : ) P

    .. And “Red” speaks Korean !

  259. Great episode.
    Juliette working for Ben…I believe it could be.
    Aaron definitely could be close to 3…thanks for the research on the baseball article.
    So, we know Sun gave birth (approx 6 months post island), Hurley visited and was fine…two years later he is crazy and locked up…
    Wouldn’t surprise me to have Kate doing something for Sawyer but getting the info from Ben….
    Why did they make red know korean…why does that matter to the story line?
    Love the “can’t let Jack move, appendix might rupture” so he is up and walking to his OR tent.
    Did Jack want Kate in there so Juliet wouldn’t do something wrong (implant the device that was “implanted”in Sawyer…)
    Loved the “its too early for chinese…” line.
    Can hardly wait until next week…really, Jin is alive!!

  260. Do you think that Red works for Mr. Paik? (Is that the right name… Sun’s Dad?) I don’t trust her at all. I hope they tell more about her soon. She is always so snotty!

  261. in an earlier episode (first part of the season, I think) there was a FF (?) of Daniel sittin in front of a TV looking kind of nuts and medicated and crying. There was a news report about finding the Oceanic flight. What was that all about? What’s he crying about?

  262. nicunurse wrote:

    Why did they make red know korean…why does that matter to the story line?

    They needed a creative way to set up the separation of Jin and Sun, though I guess since Jin is getting good with English, she didn’t need to know Korean.

  263. Hammer wrote:

    nicunurse wrote:

    Why did they make red know korean…why does that matter to the story line?

    They needed a creative way to set up the separation of Jin and Sun, though I guess since Jin is getting good with English, she didn’t need to know Korean.

    ***************************
    At least they gave her something to do, some reason to be there. I think one of the reasons nobody likes her is because no one knows anything about her except that she found a polar bear in Tunisia. That, and she has a snotty attitude. She is starting to remind me of Nikki.

  264. HI! Here goes:

    1. Juliet: Maybe I’ll end up blind-sided for this in revelations from future episodes, but as of now….Gotta love her! I feel the need to defend her. She along side Sawyer have greally grown to become big favorites of mine. I think she’s totally in love with Jack so that is one reason why she wanted to save his life. Her kiss and tell to Kate was a formal—yes, we both love him, but he truly loves you, Kate, and I’m stepping out of the triangle. I saved him for me, but for you, too. She made sure Jack heard it to get him to “wake up” and go after Kate!!!! Maybe a bit of redemption for her own devastating affair with Goodwin? The shaving….well, doesn’t a doc normally shave a large area around an incision area??? She’s alright…I think after the Goodwin murder and dying, pregnant women, she’s against Ben. She warned Jack about Ben’s jealousy. She’s chomping at the bit to get back to her sis and nephew to share in her sister’s happiness. She totally wants to see Sun get off the island to get some redemption for the loss of the pregnant women that so devastated her. Maybe even giving up her own rescue for Sun?

    2. Jack: He darn well knew he had apendicitis (sp?). He was a stubborn mule about it, trying to pass it off as food poisoning to Juliet. Come on! Well, yes, maybe he has decided he doesn’t trust Juliet anymore and wanted to risk it as opposed to letting her mess with it. I go with the stubborn theory, though. Wanting to control the operation himself? C’mon, Jack! Get a grip! Good for Juliet telling Bernard to “get him out of here!”
    Did any ponder how Jack immediately engaged Kate after Hurley’s foreboding? His reaction seemed to indicate he already knew/had been told of what Hurley said (by Christian?), Hurley confirmed it, and he wanted to immediately intervene and control it/fix it so it wouldn’t come true, for sis Claire’s sake and Aaron’s!
    Jack’s interrogation of Kate, re: phone converation….jealousy??? Nah! They are totally true loves! He has been very hands-off about the whole Kate/Sawyer thing. I think the phone reaction was an “oh, great, island crap and lies coming up again!!!! What now? Can I fix it/control it?”

    3. Lostie lies?: Okay, so are we getting into Losties covering up lies to fellow losties? Are there lies upon lies? I still can’t help but think Sun is covering up something about Jin to Hurley, and now Kate covering up something to Jack.

    4. Kate: Yes, so who was she talking to? Any remote possibility Kate was talking to Sawyer?

    5. Errand for Sawyer? Well, I can only think of Clementine, too. His money? I really think Sawyer may let that go. Maybe Kate would give money for Clementine since she got a “substantial settlement” from Oceanic. Sawyer’s money is dirty money from his dirty past. He changed. I don’t think he’d want to give his dirty money to his daughter now.

    6. The 4 tots: Want to know more about them.

    7. LOL—Star Wars thoughts:

    Luke Skywalker was raised by his Uncle Owen and Aunt Veru. Aaron is being raised by his uncle Jack??? Half-uncle? I felt like we got the hint in this last episode with his “You’re not even related to him! (but I am!?)” lash out to Kate that Jack has found out he’s related to Aaron. Good ‘ol Uncle Owen knew the dark secrets of his brother/Luke’s father, Anakin. Is there some dark secret about Aaron?

    Sawyer does seem a bit Han Solo-ish lately. The Millenium Falcon was Han Solo’s ship. Could this be an indicator we’ll see Sawyer come up again? When Sawyer and Kate were locked up together by the others, it seemed remniscent of Han Solo and Princess Leah locked up together..

  265. Rita wrote:

    Hammer wrote:

    nicunurse wrote:

    Why did they make red know korean…why does that matter to the story line?

    They needed a creative way to set up the separation of Jin and Sun, though I guess since Jin is getting good with English, she didn’t need to know Korean.

    ***************************
    At least they gave her something to do, some reason to be there. I think one of the reasons nobody likes her is because no one knows anything about her except that she found a polar bear in Tunisia. That, and she has a snotty attitude. She is starting to remind me of Nikki.

    ————-
    She might work for Paik as Trixianna suggested. She does seem very snobby. She has lied to them from the very beginning when she told them “we are here to rescue you”, when she must have known, like Faraday, that was NOT their mission. She might, however, be turning the corner. We will have to wait and see if she “saves” Sun, as she told Jin she would.

  266. lost4ever wrote:

    Trixianna .

    Sorry Trixanna

  267. JamieGirl wrote:

    .. And “Red” speaks Korean !

    .. And the “spectacular kiss”. Was that the off-island kiss that D&C were talking about?

  268. I thought the term “Smokie” was just a fan created nickname for the monster, and not that it is actually made of smoke, can anyone confirm that it is actually made of smoke? I also thought somewhere in the podcasts D&C made a reference to the fact that the “Smoke” monster is not quite made of smoke.

    Anyway that may dispel the idea that it was setting off the smoke alarm (which wasn’t exactly being set off, just beeping because the battery needed replacement).

    I don’t think there should be any doubt that this episode is BEFORE the Jack Meltdown. This is episode where we see how Jack began getting his pill prescription, the female “doctor” (lol, j/k) had no problem writing him a prescription, whereas in the later flash, he is sneaking around with it, using his pops as a ruse.

    I thought the reason that Miles heard Danielle was because her spirit was trying to prevent them from heading the direction they were going (was Karl’s talking too?) as her yelling, “no, no, no, etc.” did NOT occur when she got shot. Plus, Miles seems to talk to dead folks as if it is conversation, not as if he was following a trail.

  269. sector7 wrote:

    Bobbi wrote:

    Can someone help me with something? Didn’t Jack say in the first flash forward…something about if anyone went and checked his father, he’d be even more drunk? As if Christian was alive and well? All this time I was assuming that somehow Christian was alive in future. Someone clarify for me?

    By the time that scene happens, Jack has seen the apparitiion of his dead father at least once, probably more. Someone who is seeing their dead father (and probably speaking to him) might say something like that, don’t you think?

    Someone else mentioned that Sawyer might be dead and visiting Kate — but what about Jin visiting Sun? Now that makes sense when you think about how Sun thought she would see him when she was giving birth, no?

    True. But when Jack says that to the other doctor in the scene, it was like there was no dispute. As if others could see Christian too, right? Jack says something about Christian being upstairs in the hospital ‘working’ and the other doctor didn’t even debate it.

    I’ll agree its possible for Sawyer to be visiting Kate. But I don’t think Jin/Sun meetings are taking place. If Sun was visited by Jin, I’m not sure she’d go visit his grave and talk to him about how much she misses him-seems like she’d just wait for him to visit again. Also, she spoke to the grave as if she must’ve been loopy when asking for him while speaking about the birth.

  270. D and C on Kimmel

  271. I’m going to need a few of you folks to sit down for this, but the impending, and probably Actor’s strike could push back Season 5 even further!

  272. Bobbi wrote:

    sector7 wrote:

    Bobbi wrote:

    But when Jack says that to the other doctor in the scene, it was like there was no dispute. As if others could see Christian too, right? Jack says something about Christian being upstairs in the hospital ‘working’ and the other doctor didn’t even debate it.
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    I believe it was a pharmacist in that scene, not a doctor. And Jack did not mention anything about his dad “working upstairs”. The pharmacist told him he could not write his own RX, and Jack said it was his fathers name on the RX, and the pharmacist said she would have to call and verify, then the guy in line started saying, “hey don’t you know who this guy is…” and jack threw a fit and stormed off.

  273. sector 7 wrote:

    Bobbi wrote:

    sector7 wrote:

    Bobbi wrote:

    But when Jack says that to the other doctor in the scene, it was like there was no dispute. As if others could see Christian too, right? Jack says something about Christian being upstairs in the hospital ‘working’ and the other doctor didn’t even debate it.
    quote]

    I believe it was a pharmacist in that scene, not a doctor. And Jack did not mention anything about his dad “working upstairs”. The pharmacist told him he could not write his own RX, and Jack said it was his fathers name on the RX, and the pharmacist said she would have to call and verify, then the guy in line started saying, “hey don’t you know who this guy is…” and jack threw a fit and stormed off.

    Oh wait — maybe your talking abt the scene with dr. hammil… Jack says, “You get my father down here…” and everyone seems to think that since he said “down here” that it meant his father was working upstairs. Nope, no one ever said Jack’s father was working upstairs.

  274. Rousseu & Carl….nothing stays buried on the island

    At first when Jack was feeling ill…I thought he was experiencing a rift in time like Desmond….that’s why he kept insisting -almost to himself - that he was dehydrated since that can lead to hallucinations.

    Didn’t Claire get sick on the island too?

    I like the theory that Charlotte is on the island, in part, working for Mr. Paik. As a result part of her mission: to keep Jin on the Island and away from Sun.

  275. lost4ever wrote:

    D and C on Kimmel

    Wow. Did anyone else watch that tonite? Interesting…….

  276. I was thinking that Bernard telling Jack to think of Something Nice Back Home was an indication that Jack’s flashforward is actually in his past. As I have posted before, my theory is that Jack has travelled back in time to the island and is reliving island events without knowing it. This would make sense because in his off island life he still has his flaws and hasn’t learned the island’s lessons. In the pilot episode Jack wakes up in a way very similar to how Ben woke up last week in the desert. And Jack tells Kate that he blacked out and doesn’t remember the plane crash. Kate, in contrast, remembers the whole thing.

    The whole appendectomy scar, however, is confusing because he doesn’t have the scar on the island before the surgery. The scar must be significant though because there was no other reason for the extended towel scene in the flash forward except to show us Jack’s appendectomy scar.

  277. Cutley wrote:

    Quite simply, what if Charles Widmore is Ben’s constant and vice versa?

    More thoughts like that at robotindisguiseblog.blogspot.c...

    Oh my, that’s quite the good thought. It would explain a LOT.

    Additional thoughts:
    1) Jack has no scar, but I’m not sure that means anything. Locke has no scar either and when they remove your kidney, they about cut you in half. He should have a huge, highly visible scar.

    2) I think that Hurley, sad as it may be, is quite crazy. I don’t believe the six are dead. I was one of the “the surviors are dead” theorists in season two, and we were told specifically by the producers that the losties are not dead. Unless, like Whitmore, they are changing the rules as they go.

    3) I was thinking about what would cause Kate to keep such a secret from Jack, knowing how badly he would react to that refusal after she told him that involved Sawyer. I thought of two possibilities: 1) by helping Sawyer, she is doing something illegal and placing herself at risk by breaking the terms of her parole or
    2) she was talking to Ben on the phone and that he is manipulating her bond with Sawyer. She would never tell Jack if she was in contact with Ben.

    4)An FYI - the drugs that Jack asked for are a benzodiapine - medications that are typically prescribed for issues of anxiety, and less typically insomnia. They can be highly addicting, and a very poor choice to drink alcohol on top of - a really addictive type of behavior. With his future downward spiral a la other FFs, clearly this is his jumping off place. This combo of drugs and booze is going to create a really flat affect, impulsivity and poor judgement, so yeah, Jack’s happy place is going all kinds of south.

    I just can’t decide if it’s because he saw his dead dad or because he has taken to heart the prophecy of Charlie, and that he’s “not supposed to raise him.” Maybe he is terrified that his happy life is going to be torn away from him, that they were better off staying on the island and that they made the wrong choice because that wasn’t what the island wanted them to do. I think that Charlie is not a benign ghost - he was so jealous in life - why not death?

  278. And oh yeah, I forgot….

    I’m not buying that Daniel is all that good either. That dealio between him and Red - seemed just a bit too good cop/bad cop, plus outside the medical station, that look that passed between the two of them seemed to have significance to me. I’m not convinced that he’s a bad guy, but I completely believe that he’s holding secrets and that he has his own ulterior motive for wanting to be on the island. And if the losties get in the way of his accomplishing that goal, I don’t doubt that he will look at them as so much chattle.

    Also I’m not sure that Jack getting sick is highly significant. I know Rose believes that everyone that comes to the island is healed, but why then do pregnant women die? (Not that pregnancy is an illness, but still…) Maybe it is another faith vs. science issue.

  279. I think Kate is having to work with/for Ben. Maybe in return for getting to raise Aaron or the sweet deal she got on the murder charges. She never says she is talking to or meeting Sawyer..it is always “him.” But that she did do a favor for Sawyer. I would guess meeting Ben and doing whatever he wants her to do (ala Sayid) is a favor for Sawyer if that is why Ben is allowing Sawyer to remain alive. Jack considers Ben to be the “bad guy” so to learn Kate is working with/for him would totally mess with his mind.
    Claire did know her father. But does not know He is also Jack’s father. Jack’s father was in the casket on the plane that Jack found empty. Why wasn’t Claire a little puzzled as to why her father showed up on the island? Could Claire actually be dead from the blast? Miles could see Christian because he does “see dead people”.