Oceanic Airlines - A Hanso Company
2 years, 8 months ago by AndreasRead more: Lost Theories, Oceanic Airlines, The Hanso Foundation
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Once upon a time there was a flight attendant who flirted with Jack on a plane. Later we found out that she had survived the plane crash. We got to know her and… then she was lost. But what happened to Cindy?
This is what I remember: The tailies, Michael and Jin where transporting the wounded Sawyer up a steep hill. Cindy was the last person to start climbing, but when the others had all reached the top, Cindy had disappeared. One moment she was there, the next she was gone.
Ana-Lucia wanted to go looking for her, but Mr.Eko stopped her, claiming that if they’d split up, they would be giving “them” what they wanted. Then everyone started hearing whispers in the jungle, they got scared and Ana-Lucia yelled “run!”. Since then, we have not heard or seen Cindy anywhere.
My thoughts on the whole situation are that Cindy was not kidnapped but actually left on her own. I’m guessing that both Cindy and the pilot (who we never actually saw dead), are connected to The Dharma Initiative and/or The Hanso Foundation through Oceanic Airlines, which I believe could be a Hanso Foundation company.
Either way, we will probably find out what happened to Cindy soon enough. In a recent interview, Kimberly Joseph who plays LOST’s Cindy said:
“I’m fairly certain and have heard rumours that I will probably be back before the end of the season. It would be very unlikely that they not tie up that loose end - I’m going to get a phone call at some stage I’m sure.She’s the only surviving cabin crew member so there are definitely possibilities for her. I don’t know what they have in store and I’ll be the last person to find out.”
Now why in the world would I believe that Oceanic Airlines is connected to Dharma and The Hanso Foundation?
Remember the toy airplanes above the crib in “Maternity Leave”? They all had the Oceanic Airlines logo on them. This leads us to the question - why would the Dharma Initiative place a mobile with Oceanic airplanes above Aaron’s crib? My first thought was that the toy airplanes going round and round, unable to escape from the circular motion was a metaphor for the control Dharma has over Oceanic Airlines.
The second thing that occurred to me was that maybe the planes are used to train Aaron. Provided that Walt actually has psychokinetic powers, enabling him to manipulate the world around him with his thoughts (summoning polar bears, making the rain stop, guiding knives into trees), maybe Aaron has similar powers which he needs to train (making the planes on the mobile spin around with his thoughts). These ideas tie in with the ultimate theory.
My other reason for believing Oceanic Airlines is connected to Dharma is the way in which both the pilot and Cindy, the flight attendant stay around long enough to let everyone know that the plane is lost and that there is no chance for rescue, and then they both mysteriously disappear.
We also need to remember that the “psychic” Claire talked to appears to have known about the plane crash before it ever happened. Did he really see the future, and if so, why did he want Claire and her baby to crash on a “deserted” island? And if he didn’t see the future, he knew what was going to happen because he was part of the “Dharma conspiracy”.
The fact that the Oceanic Airlines flight left from gate 23 (23 supposedly being the most important number), doesn’t really increase my trust in the friendly Oceanic crew.
Just throwing some ideas out there, what are your thoughts?
Comment 1, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
my thoughts? BINGO! Cindy is absolutely in on it. If you think about it, she must have known about the plane crash while being an attendant on the plane. She had to know who was going to survive, and everything obviously needed to run according to plan (everyone in their exact seats, etc.) Maybe that explains why she chased Charlie down the plan…she wanted to make sure his survival wasn’t compromised because he happened to be in the front of the plane during the crash. Also, anyone else notice whether the planes on the mobile in the nursury during “Maternity Leave” were the same type of toy place that Kate has as a momento from her childhood boyfriend?
Comment 2, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
I’m not convinced that we can count on Claire’s flashbacks in “Maternity Leave” — she, as Libby pointed out, may be mixing memories and experiences. If we assume that Claire’s flashbacks are accurate then it definitely points to some kind of Hanso-DHARMA-Oceanic connection. However, if we can’t trust the authenticity of her flashbacks, everything that we saw in that episode is suspect.
Seeing how they weave Cindy back into the story will be very interesting. If she in fact “in on it” then what will the motive for getting her back into the story? And how will they do it? I love that events like Cindy trying to get Charlie back in his seat (something that’s perfectly reasonable for a flight attendant to do) might actually be cover for something larger…
Comment 3, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
We definately saw the pilot dead… remember, Kate saw found the pilot pin, then we saw the reflection of a guy in a tree in the puddle, then we saw the actual guy in the tree, he was wearing a pilot’s outfit, he was grossly mauled up, but the pin was directly below him. The Others steal people without a trace quite regularly, why would her being gone lead us to beleive that she is in on it. Although…. Maybe Eko is in on it and the Oceanic people are too, that’s why Eko told Ana-Lucia not to go after her, and that’s why he appologized to Henry.
Oh crap, now I’m really getting too far into this. But am I the only one that thinks the people making this show are just torturing us! Don’t have it on one week, then mess with the time the next week, and then the week after that don’t have it on again. Cruelty.
Comment 4, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Chris, I actually never even considered that what was seen in Claire’s flashback could be “false information”. I suppose mixed up memories due to what she was injected with is a possibility, but would it make sense for the writers to change the story layout that way? The way I see it, all flashbacks have consisted of things that have really happened to the characters in the past.
I very much agree with you both regarding Cindy’s reasons for wanting Charlie to stay seated. Sure, the scene introduces Charlie as a drug addict, but like you say, there might be more to it.
Regarding the toy airplanes, the plane that belonged to Kate’s boyfriend is not identical to the oceanic planes in the mobile. The small toy plane from the Kate-centric episode “Whatever the case may be” looks like a smaller and somewhat older aircraft with the wings at the front of the plane, while the oceanic planes look like replicas of larger passenger planes with longer bodies and the wings in the middle of the plane. Also, Kate’s plane has no Oceanic Airlines logo on it.
SmileyMe, the lostaways believed the dead man in the tree to be the pilot, but since he was so “mauled up”, it was impossible to know for sure if it was really him. It could be possible that the person in the tree was just put there to convince Jack, Kate and Charlie that the pilot was dead, just as the script puts a dead body in a tree to convince the viewers that the pilot is “dead”.
Comment 5, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
I firmly believe the pilot is dead. 100%. Simply because there are times wen you need to nto look so far into things and not be so paranoid and that I think is one of those moments. Whenever something was questionable there was always something to show that it may be different, but in the case of the pilot there was nothign questionable about it. And remember, originally the dead guy in the tree was supposed to be Jack. But then, they decided to make him a main character throughout and the creator people said even in the commentaries that it is the pilot in the tree. They said they switched the Jack in the tree with the pilot instead.
I also like to think that Cindy was kidnapped and not in on it. I like to think of it this way: They had them kidnap her so fast like that to show just how quick and unnoticable the Other’s can be when they want to be. I think that when they bring Cindy back into they’ll bring her back as a hostage or whatever through The Other’s.
Comment 6, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
One question I have is why was the pilot killed? And was he killed by the smoke or some other monster? Did the pilot know too much and had to be killed for security reasons? Was he innocent bystander? Why hasn’t anyone else been killed in the same fashion?
As always, more questions than answers.
Comment 7, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
First off I sure love reading everyones theories, even tho there are alot of crazy i still enjoy seeing what other people make of the show.
Personally I feel all those people taken (and possibly those killed) will pop up during the course of the show.
They are obviously being taken for a reason (experimentation, breeding pool, special talents etc..), the writers of the show will explain it eventually and will need recognizable people to do so, thats why I’m actually kind of surprise none of the main characters have been taken. But there is still plenty of time for that.
On the dead people, anyone else get the feeling that some of these people may actually come back (yes from the grave). I think we all agree that the Dharma people are up to some strange things on the island, this might even involve bring the dead back to life.
Evidence you ask? Jacks dad?
Sure it wasn’t made clear if his body was cleared to pass thru customs, but I think it would be an interesting twist for main character to pop up after being killed, the survivors rushing back to the graves and finding their bodies missing too.
Comment 8, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
The writers have said that the dead people will deffinatly stay dead. They said the people who died are gone forever. Jack’s dad was a hallucination, Jack had been running on no sleep.
Comment 9, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
I agree about Christian walking around on the island being a hallucination, but how do we explain the empty coffin?
Regarding to the dead people staying dead, I agree and don’t believe Shannon or Boone will come back to life. What is interesting though is whether they are REALLY dead. I belive they are, but if the island would be a simulation (like the matrix), then I suppose they could be alive “in the real world”.
Comment 10, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Ooh, NICE, Andi. I had actually not caught that “Cindy” was the same as the flight attendant who Jack flirted with, when I saw her later in Abandoned, so this whole idea was new to me. I did recall that it was strange that she disappeared, and no one seemed to care much, but being that she was practically just another redshirt at that point, I didn’t think too much on it… after all, there wasn’t much weeping when redshirts Joanne, Steve & others died. So I did a search on the LOST-TV forums and found that other people had the same ideas on Cindy as you had:
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I was totally convinced that there was an OA conspiracy that goes pretty deeply. The psychic, the plane mobile, and a few other things you pointed to. Did you mention anywhere that the song the mobile plays is “Catch a Falling Star”, a song that Claire’s father used to sing her, and which she specifically requests the prospective adopters in Season 1 sing to him one day?
I am also with Chris, however, that the flashbacks are not reliable. Not only was she drugged at this time (and there are problems with memory reliability in general)… but there is this issue of memory suggestibility and manufactured memories during hypnosis (cases in real life prove that these methods can be manipulated, and can’t be depended upon to produce accuracy).
Add to this the fact that Libby is not an unbiased third party, and we know little about her past. Does she have a connection to DHARMA? We don’t know much about her background aside from her field of psychology… and I have a feeling we will see her pop up in later Hurley flashbacks to his stay at Santa Rosa (where he met Leonard, who gave him the numbers… and also the same place Locke’s mom was committed to twice in the 90’s, from screencaps of her papers in “Walkabout”).
Comment 11, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere at all, but does anyone think that maybe Sun’s father has some connection to Hanso foundation? Just seems too coincidental that the logo on the hatch is such a resemblance to the Korean flag. And perhaps maybe Sun wasn’t supposed to be on the plane…perhaps her “friend” helping her leave Jin was a Dharma/Hanso puppet working on Sun’s fathers behalf? Or…I could be totally off base…
Comment 12, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Sun’s father certainly is a powerful man and like you say Laura, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is somehow connected to Hanso/Dharma.
Cecilia, I didn’t know about Locke’s mother being committed to the same place Hurley was staying at.. interesting.
The fact that the mobile was playing “catch a falling star” is very interesting. I would say that this suggests either that someone attending the meeting where Claire was supposed to sign the adoption papers is connected to Dharma, or that Claire’s father is. Then again, I suppose she could have mentioned it to Ethan while drugged. What’s interesting then is if/how the Dharma people where able to construct a mobile playing that exact song.
Comment 13, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Andi–Yeah, yet another interesting connection. I don’t think a lot of people noted it, because it was mentioned only in passing in an early episode of the show, “Deus Ex Machina”–before most people were really looking at the show under a microscope. It was the detective Locke hired to find both parents, said her brief psych history, but no details… and then later someone did a freeze frame to show that she was at Santa Rosa & connected things. TV-IV has some great character profiles… here is one that was based on a screencap of Emily Annabeth Locke’s institutionalization history, showing admissions in ‘95 & ‘92 to Santa Rosa Mental Institute:
tviv.org/wiki/Lost/Elizabeth_A...
Here is the original screencap at Lost-Media of the paperwork:
lost-media.com/modules.php?nam...
Andi, and yes, on the mobile song… I agree that’s what it implies, supports the conspiracy theories (Who else would know about that off-island fact from her past besides her? Her father? The “adoptive parents”? The psychic?).
A lot of interesting stuff may come out of analysing the books, songs and art from LOST, and we’re working on it. The song on Danielle’s music box is Intermezzo (from Carmen, by Bizzet), don’t know if this plays any part in the story, for example.
Comment 14, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
The oceanic world air site has heaps of interesting info - the flight schedule contains loads of links - can figure what they all mean yet - we are only up to episode 9 season 2 here - link to schedule:
oceanicworldair.com/flights.ht...
Report of the 815 crash - 352 passengers
oceanicworldair.com/PAC04IA815...
Report of 023 crash 2000 - 4 crew
oceanicworldair.com/PAC01IA023...
the promo for the season 2 says “they are NOT the survivers they thought they were”.
Both plans were lost 6 hours into the flight.
Thoughts?
Comment 15, posted 2 years, 8 months ago - Quote and reply
Did Kate actually say that the toy plane that was in the case was her boyfriend’s? I thought she said it was from the only man she ever loved, or the first man she ever loved or something. After the episode this week where Kate and Sun talk about the pregnancy test and Sun asks Kate if she ever had to take one and Kate says yes, I wonder if Kate has a child and possibly the plane belongs or used to belong to him? Did anyone else wonder about that?
Comment 16, posted 2 years, 7 months ago - Quote and reply
Just did some research on oceanicworldair.com. The site isn’t owned or affiliated with abc or disney. I don’t think that any info from there can be trusted…
Comment 17, posted 2 years, 7 months ago - Quote and reply
i am new to this site, but i have a theroy, could oceanic planes drop the food from lockdown?
Comment 18, posted 2 years, 7 months ago - Quote and reply
Scott, no Steve wrote:
I suppose they could, but the losties should have heard one of those planes if it passed over the island, and it seems none of them heard any plane at all.
Comment 19, posted 2 years, 7 months ago - Quote and reply
true
Comment 20, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
What is the login code to enter dharma initiative
Comment 21, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone notice that at the end of the orientation tape that Eko and John watched, it had a copywright date and “Hanso Co.”? So Hanso and Dharma are conjoined.
Comment 22, posted 2 years, 5 months ago - Quote and reply
On the IGA webpage I put the password “parthenogenesis” in the invisible text box and nothing happened. After I put in the password I hit the tab key and it took me to a little box on the lower left side of the @ 2006 Hanso Foundation text. When I click on it the light circles in the background move and the clock on the top of the page says OBEY. I don’t know where to go from there.
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