Wonderful post, Tania! I had felt a little ebbing of my enthusiasm in the wait for a new episode. Your post has me going back to watch B’fast With Hank again.

I suppose you could say that he told a measure of truth when he drew the map to the balloon. There WAS actually a balloon there, but was it just enough truth to attempt to “set the hook” with the Losties? Thanks Sayid, for not buying it.

Or… was the whole balloon scenario just a stock alibi used by The Others? Eg: “If you get caught, use the name Henry Gale. His balloon is here, draw a map to it, etc.” We saw that Ethan infiltrated the first camp and then another got into the Tailies. Clearly The Others are prepared for visitors and are acting in far more organized fashion than surprised people.

Would it be too much of a stretch to entertain that The Others brought the plane down? I’m rambling.

Great post, Tania! I look forward to hearing more from you!

Here, here!

Would it be too much of a stretch to entertain that The Others brought the plane down? I’m rambling.

you!

Funny you should mention this, because ever since the Others were introduced, I’ve had a nagging suspicion that they have been in control all along. Perhaps the LOSTies are lab rats in an elaborate experiment, and the whole plane crash thing was a result of an experiment with magnetic fields (see the Wall Drawing)?

Not-Henry Gale comment when Jack pointed the gun at his head that He’s a good person. Also, the individual that Ana Lucia kills refers to the ones taken as not being good.

Just a thought I had after watching last nights episode.

Consider:

The “obediant student” that he plays to Locke’s instructor role as he takes direction as to how to enter the numbers.

The “kind friend” he plays, also to Locke, after Locke is injured. He does this both before and after the doors rise back up.

The switch back to “Mr Innocent” when confronted by Sayid. “Didn’t you find my balloon?”

Then there is my all time favorite, when he’s hanging in the armory, arms spread in the classic crucifix position and gives the “I’m a good person [why is this happening to me]” line. I don’t care what the producers may have said about religion in the show or what kind of flak I get on the ABC boards, imagery like this cannot be denied.

Now he’s in the “Ghandi” phase: hunger strike, meditating perhaps?

Looking forward to more of your posts. Andreas and Cecilia have competetion now. Now there’s an Other.

Perhaps the LOSTies are lab rats in an elaborate experiment, and the whole plane crash thing was a result of an experiment with magnetic fields

I thought I was the only one! It’s so good to not feel so alone. :)

This was a really good point to raise. I think Emerson’s a great actor. Of course the director is obviously doing an immense job as they actually get Emerson to act each scene 3/4 times before deciding in the cutting room what aspects to go with for each bit. prestonandsteve.com/audio/199....

I too had wondered how he managed to do it all so seamlessly.

Well written Tania,

Len

Andreas and Cecilia have competetion now. Now there’s an Other.

Don’t forget about Job! We are actually 4 writers on the site now, even if Cecilia and I are the ones who post on a regular basis. I think this is very interesting since we all have our own view of things and different writing styles. New writers with interesting things to say are always welcome, so if anyone feels that they could contribute, feel free to send me a mail.

Of course the director is obviously doing an immense job as they actually get Emerson to act each scene 3/4 times before deciding in the cutting room what aspects to go with for each bit. prestonandsteve.com/audio/199....
Len

The question is… Are these alternate versions of different scenes ending up on the cutting room floor??? Or, are they being saved for later in the series???

It was said with contempt - but there was a something else in the way he said it and the way he looked - there was some fear and he was pleading with them. Mr. Friendly was no-thing! There was something else or someone else truly powerful and frightening out there.

I enjoyed your play-by-play analysis of Not-Henry’s metamorphoses, and couldn’t help remembering the fake beard that Kate found in the Caduceus station during “Maternity Leave”.

I have always thought that there is an enormous conspiracy, with widespread manipulation, behind much of what we see, both on the island, and in the flashbacks. The “con” theme is, to my mind, just as pervasive as the themes of redemption, faith, destiny, or duality.

I can’t wait to read more of your posts. Welcome, again!

This is the first post by Tania. I would like to welcome her to the team, and I hope that you all enjoyed the post as much as I did.

Thanks, Andreas, I am thrilled to be here!

jimseas wrote:

Welcome Tania. Very enjoyable and to the point. But why did you stop?

Consider:

The “obediant student” that he plays to Locke’s instructor role as he takes direction as to how to enter the numbers.

The “kind friend” he plays, also to Locke, after Locke is injured. He does this both before and after the doors rise back up.

The switch back to “Mr Innocent” when confronted by Sayid. “Didn’t you find my balloon?”

Then there is my all time favorite, when he’s hanging in the armory, arms spread in the classic crucifix position and gives the “I’m a good person [why is this happening to me]” line. I don’t care what the producers may have said about religion in the show or what kind of flak I get on the ABC boards, imagery like this cannot be denied.

Now he’s in the “Ghandi” phase: hunger strike, meditating perhaps?

Looking forward to more of your posts. Andreas and Cecilia have competetion now. Now there’s an Other.

Thanks, jimseas!

I stopped because I was only focused on the ‘breakfast’ scene, which was a good thing, because I didn’t want to ramble on in my very first submission, lol.
And you are correct about these other roles. I got the impression that he really wanted to help Locke when the hatch went crazy on them during Lockdown. I get the idea that Not-Henry is a Dharma fugitive/runaway. I think they did something horrible to his real wife, and he turned tail and ran.
And he is MAD.
And through his mindgames with the Losties, what those games have done is spur them on to wage war with the Others.
While our friend Not-Henry is safe in the Armory.
I think he has gotten them to do his dirty work, and he is so angry at the Others that he would risk his life (SAYID!) to get back at them.
But who knows? This IS Not-Henry we are talking about, after all.
I bet that no matter what scenarios we all can possibly come up with, JJ and Carlton have already thought of it, and like the Others with the Losties, are always 2 steps ahead of us.

Found wrote:

Here, here!

Wonderful post, Tania! I had felt a little ebbing of my enthusiasm in the wait for a new episode. Your post has me going back to watch B’fast With Hank again.

I suppose you could say that he told a measure of truth when he drew the map to the balloon. There WAS actually a balloon there, but was it just enough truth to attempt to “set the hook” with the Losties? Thanks Sayid, for not buying it.

Great post, Tania! I look forward to hearing more from you!

Thanks, Found!

Yes, there was a little element of truth to the map, but we didn’t SEE HIM write it for Ana, remember? ARGGG, it’s so frustrating! This is what I mean. We cannot ‘read’ him until we SEE him actually tell the truth. Then we could gauge him and be somewhat able to tell if he is lying/telling the truth in the future. But, of course, JJ and Carlton know this. And they aren’t giving up anything.

Lesley wrote:

Geat analysis Tania! Emerson is such a great actor and you are so right the Not-Henry character has many different layers. I suspect that all the “Others” do -they are probably trained in the art of manipulation. Emerson and O’Quinn are really wonderful actors too and when they interact the sparks really fly. Heck, reading your piece gets me anticipating next week. Now I am going to have to watch those Not-Henry episodes again! (I truly love the “got any milk” line it is the very best thing I have heard in years!) I am also in agreement with the theory that this is an eloborate experiment of some sort but I am undecided whether it goes further and the original subjects have taken over the island, are searching for replacements to take their place, or ??? It will be interesting to find out how far the manipulation goes on and off the island, past, present and future. Looking forward to more of your posts!

Hi, Lesley, thank you!

The whole experiment thing I have been wondering about forever. LOL, I actually have a theory about it on the lost forum site http://www.4815162342.com
It is under my username taniasawyer
I have to work on it a little more as I think it is bigger than I originally thought.
Yes, definitely RECORD scenes with Not-Henry, so you can rewatch them, he is awesome.
He has been a recurring character in The Practice as serial killer Mr. Hinks.
Makes me want to watch The Practice!
But only if it doesn’t coincide with LOST, of course.

Len wrote:

Hey Tania,

This was a really good point to raise. I think Emerson’s a great actor. Of course the director is obviously doing an immense job as they actually get Emerson to act each scene 3/4 times before deciding in the cutting room what aspects to go with for each bit. prestonandsteve.com/audio/199....

I too had wondered how he managed to do it all so seamlessly.

Well written Tania,

Len

Hi, Len!

Thank you, and I heard that interview!

Andreas wrote:

jimseas wrote:

Andreas and Cecilia have competetion now. Now there’s an Other.

Don’t forget about Job! We are actually 4 writers on the site now, even if Cecilia and I are the ones who post on a regular basis. I think this is very interesting since we all have our own view of things and different writing styles. New writers with interesting things to say are always welcome, so if anyone feels that they could contribute, feel free to send me a mail.

Wait, I don’t want to be an Other…

jbus wrote:

Len wrote:

Of course the director is obviously doing an immense job as they actually get Emerson to act each scene 3/4 times before deciding in the cutting room what aspects to go with for each bit. prestonandsteve.com/audio/199....
Len

The question is… Are these alternate versions of different scenes ending up on the cutting room floor??? Or, are they being saved for later in the series???

Hi, jbus, good to see you somewhere other than our usual hangout, lol

I am wondering the same thing. They must have a plethera of killer scenes with Not-Henry ready to use!

Maurice Tift wrote:

I liked it when they mentioned the bearded guy and Henry said something like “What? Him! He’s no-thing!”

It was said with contempt - but there was a something else in the way he said it and the way he looked - there was some fear and he was pleading with them. Mr. Friendly was no-thing! There was something else or someone else truly powerful and frightening out there.

Yea, there was definitely something else besides contempt in his face. I think you put it best. Fear and pleading. Maybe he was pleading them to ask about zeke instead of torturing him so he could tell them something about a nobody. Nice catch!

Bernie Stahl wrote:

Has anyone yet addressed the constant phrasing of “The Others” referring to individuals being good?

Not-Henry Gale comment when Jack pointed the gun at his head that He’s a good person. Also, the individual that Ana Lucia kills refers to the ones taken as not being good.

Just a thought I had after watching last nights episode.

Yes, Bernie I have thought of this, too. When Sayid was about to shot Not-Henry, he says “You can’t do this, I’m not a bad person!”
And Goodwyn did tell Ana-Lucia that certain people weren’t taken because they weren’t “good people.”

Job wrote:

Great post, Tania. Welcome!

I enjoyed your play-by-play analysis of Not-Henry’s metamorphoses, and couldn’t help remembering the fake beard that Kate found in the Caduceus station during “Maternity Leave”.

I have always thought that there is an enormous conspiracy, with widespread manipulation, behind much of what we see, both on the island, and in the flashbacks. The “con” theme is, to my mind, just as pervasive as the themes of redemption, faith, destiny, or duality.

I can’t wait to read more of your posts. Welcome, again!

Thank you, Job!

Welcome to you, too, I hear!
Yea, there are so many dynamics going on it is unreal. Maybe GangZeke is hiding from Dharma. The only time we saw a beardless Zeke apparently working for Dharma was in Claire’s ‘flashback’. But we have to remember. Her baby was sick, she was hysterical, and she was panicking. I don’t know if I trust that flashback entirely.
Yes, we saw Kate find the very thin beard, cap and the glue. Could be anything. That could NOT have been Zeke’s beard, LOL, Zeke’s beard is wayyyy thick.
But who knows, could have been a production error.
Either way, I still don’t trust Claire’s flashback in it’s reality.
She was a panicking mother scared to death for her bayybayy.

Ha, I don’t believe that. That’s like saying you’d rather be Luke Skywalker or Princess Leia when you could really be Darth Vadar. Everybody wants to be Darth Vadar.

Tania: “I get the idea that Not-Henry is a Dharma fugitive/runaway. I think they did something horrible to his real wife, and he turned tail and ran.
And he is MAD.
And through his mindgames with the Losties, what those games have done is spur them on to wage war with the Others.
While our friend Not-Henry is safe in the Armory.”

I’ve held a similiar idea for awhile, as if he was an outcast.I think his now infamous grin was him thinking: “HA, now they’ll have to let me back in the club after they’ve seen what I’ve done.” I like your idea as well, the whole sitting-back-and-starting-the-war idea. I hadn’t thought of it from that perspective.

Tania: “I am wondering the same thing. They must have a plethera of killer scenes with Not-Henry ready to use!”

I am actually hoping they have some outtakes when the Season 2 discs are released. And some bloopers too. Wouldn’t it be great to see Emerson goofin’off! How could Fox and O’Quinn possibly have kept a straight face when Emerson delivered the “got milk” line?

Nice first post, I enjoyed reading it. He is definitely a many-faced character, and from the podcasts, all appearances are that his fate will be intertwined with the survivor’s fates in the future–he’ll be “a guy to watch” for sure.

For future reference, if you are looking for the quotes verbatum, you can check the original scripts (as typed up by spooky of LOST-TV; they are very, very accurate and also include stage direction) here:
losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdi...

It’ll help the cause, because accurate quotes keep characters from being misconstrued. All and all I think you did a great job of getting them pretty accurate for the purposes of this post!

ps. iam just 12 years old btw..
iam also becoming an addict in lost!