LaFleur
1 year, 6 months ago by WillRead more: Lost Episodes, Sawyer, season 5
Craziness – crazy that we are already at the mid-point of Season 5! And even more crazy that I think the questions in my head far outnumber the answers we have left to (hopefully) get over the last season and a half of our favorite show. Enjoy this week’s episode, because I believe we are due for a one week hiatus after “LaFleur” – which in case you were wondering, is French for “Flower”.
ABC’s Official Show Description
Spoiler Alert
“Sawyer perpetuates a lie with some of the other island survivors in order to protect themselves from mistakes of the past.”
The episode preview would suggest that we are going to get the reunion of the Oceanic 6 (or 3) with those originally left behind. So, a few questions to ponder heading into tonight’s episode (and to stimulate some pre-show commentary):
- What is the current time period the Island is now in?
- Why did Ben really kill Locke, given Locke was a nanosecond from committing suicide? Lots of theories out there…
- Presented yet again with the never-ending love triangle that is Jack, Kate, Sawyer; who will Kate ultimately choose?
Episode Preview: LaFleur
Episode Sneak Peeks
Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3
Comment 1, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
If the photo of Josh Holloway is any indication that this will be a Sawyer-centric episode, I know there will be some happy female fans this evening!
The title of the episode leads one to think along French lines, but I think we may not want to jump directly into the Rousseau connection. La fleur, in French, is flower, which could relate to The Little Prince who tamed his flower.
One interesting thing that I did consider is that in Tunisia, although Arabic is the official language, French is spoken widely, particularly in schools and the media. From Wikipedia: It is widely used in education (e.g. as the language of instruction in the sciences in secondary school), the press, and in business. Most educated Tunisians are able to speak it. Many Tunisians, particularly those residing in large urban areas, readily mix Tunisian Arabic with French.
I wonder if Charlotte also spoke French? Perhaps Pierre Chang taught her?
: ) P
Comment 2, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
GOT IT! I know what the title must mean. Sawyer is French. And we’ll finally find out that what he whispered to Kate before he jumped is:
“L’eau des fleurs de mon retour à la maison.”
(“Water my flowers back home.”)
And THAT’s the favor that ultimately broke up Kate and Jack off the island!
Well… maybe not.
We haven’t head any really funny lines in a few weeks, so at least an Island-centric ep with Sawyer (and Miles, perhaps) is guaranteed to produce some.
Comment 3, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Though PJ is likely correct on the connection to tonight’s title, I DO want to jump into the Rousseau connection as the ‘second’ meaning (as the titles often do). Since LaFleur is also a common French name and I don’t remember getting info the last names of her group, maybe there is a connection?
Comment 4, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LostGrrl wrote:
Good one.:) You my be right in some way. When I first heard the title, I though it was obviously a character’s name. I wasn’t sure if they were going to introduce us to a new character or if it was an alias. Then I thought if it were an alias, it is probably Faraday’s so he can infiltrate Dharma. Then I logged on here and found out who the episode is about ( It’s about time for another Sawyer episode, BTW ).
Comment 5, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
It’s Wednesday! Yay! OK, my take on the title:
In the Little Prince, the book, the Prince needed to return to his world to care for his flower – he had left the flower because it had become tiresome and a bit demanding, and he wanted to see what else was out there. In the end, he realized that he loved the flower, it was special to him, and he desperately needed to return to it. In fact, he needed to die to get there. So, the remaining island LOSTies are the “flower” perhaps? Or the Others? – if Locke is the Prince and needs to return to “his people”. In any case, I think that this episode references the world, and people – collectively – that are left behind when the Little Prince leaves.
Comment 6, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Perhaps La Fleur is another station on the island?
Comment 7, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Still think that LaFleur references “The Little Prince” (Comment 5) but as most LOST title have more than one meaning, I propose that since it is spelled as one word (rather than La fleur for the flower), it is in fact a name, as Hammer, L4E, and LostGrrl have suggested. Maybe it is a name – someone’s name, or alias. If our LOSTies are in the 70′s and have really infiltrated Dharma, they may have come up with alias’s for whatever reason. If the picture above is any indication, then maybe Sawyer is now going by James LaFleur.
Comment 8, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Sorry for not separating the thoughts – I’ll try
again:
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Skippy wrote:
Comment 10, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
happy lost episode on my birthday….can’t wait!
Comment 11, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
jeramy wrote:
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Happy bday Lajeramyleur (that’s my attempt to make the post episode relevant. :)
Comment 12, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Rita wrote:
Like it Rita, like it.
Comment 13, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Skippy wrote:
Comment 14, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Happy Birthday Jeramy! Now go get LOST!
=D
Comment 15, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
In watching the past season over and over like we all do…I still cant figure out the time on the Island compared to the time off….it had been 4 days since locke saw Widmore on the Island…he still has a broken leg…locke then visits everyone..still with a broken leg…ben kills him with a broken leg…so where does 3 years fit in anywhere…I understand that locke didnt see all the losties cronologically but it couldnt have taken place over 3 years because of his cast…then he dies and goes back to the island within say a week….am I wrong or doesnt that mean lockes 4 days on the Island = close to 3 years…
another thought I had is if Ben Killed locke to reinact the first flight…do we know how christian died…was he murdered perhaps?
Comment 16, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
LOL…”Life goin nowhere. somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.” The BeeGees WERE from Australia…and Des Does have that Barry Gibb coif goin’ on…
Bet you’re right, though, Miraks.
Comment 17, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I like this interpretation, except rather than the whole 06, I’ll bet the “flower” is Sawyer and Kate the little prince. This would fit nice if, as another poster suggests, Sawyer’s Dharma pseudo-name is LaFleur.
Rita wrote:
Comment 18, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
Since Ben “jumped” ten months when he turned the FDW, we are guessing that Locke did as well. His “four days” before turning the FDW would have been early 2005. Since the O6′ers are all saying “three years” since they returned, we have to assume that when A316 takes off, it is early 2008. The jury is out on how LONG Locke was talking to the O6′ers, but I think we’re debating whether it was a few days, a few weeks or a few months. I think it is safe to say he was NOT off island for three years.
IF, as we suspect, the RLOSTies ended up in DHARMA years, the 70′s, and have been living in “real time” (where a day actually lasts a day) since the flashes stopped, then we will figure out how long Locke was off-island (eventually). For example, if we learn they’ve been living in DHARMA time for two months, then I think it is likely that Locke spent two months in 2008.
It is definitely possible that Christian was murdered… perhaps even after a suicide attempt. The man WAS in horrific shape emotionally.
: ) P
Comment 19, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
‘The three years’ began when the O6 were rescued by Penny and finishes as they’re boarding Flight 316. John Locke’s time difference is completely separate. Locke tells Widmore that he time travelled back to 1954 and met the young Widmore, and that time traveling happened 4 days ago (meaning 4 days before Locke and Widmore are talking in Tunisia). Then Locke spends several weeks traveling to meet/convince the O6 to return to The Island and is shortly thereafter 86ed by Ben.
Also, Christian died of a massive heart attack after a drinking binge while in Australia.
Comment 20, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Aggie Mo wrote:
Comment 21, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
‘The three years’ began when the O6 were rescued by Penny and finishes as they’re boarding Flight 316. John Locke’s time difference is completely separate. Locke tells Widmore that he time travelled back to 1954 and met the young Widmore, and that time traveling happened 4 days ago (meaning 4 days before Locke and Widmore are talking in Tunisia). Then Locke spends several weeks traveling to meet/convince the O6 to return to The Island and is shortly thereafter 86ed by Ben.
Also, Christian died of a massive heart attack after a drinking binge while in Australia.
Right…several weeks…not 3 years..not even 1 year…
all im saying that this whole time hurleys in the mental institution..kates raising aaron..jacks goin nuts…sayids killing people for ben…the other losties spent 4 days on the island…..ur explaination stinks…PJ is on to something but there are still alot of time holes…as far as I can tell…Locke turned the wheel and has been off the Island..alive or dead..whatever..in total for no more than 6 months..leaving alot of questions…also..christian was murdered…noone on this show dies of “natural” causes..name 1…i doubt christian was the first
Comment 22, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i want it to be late 80s on the island…just for the sake of it being post-rousseau arrival and pre-purge.
i guess we’ll know if it’s 70s or 80s by whether or not we see widmore; he left mid-80s.
so he SAID.
;-)
Comment 23, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
speaking of rousseau, i watched the pilot again last night, and it was definitely a younger rousseau on the looped recording.
like many thing LOST, it’s neat to see how obvious something was all along once you know to look for it.
Comment 24, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
Easy tiger. No one theory is better than any other at this point. That’s the reason we’re (not working and) posting to this blog.
I happen to agree with Skippy, that Locke’s timeline is completely separate from that of the O6 after they left (i.e. what is 4 days to him is 3 years to them).
Comment 25, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
One big question I have about the time discrepancy: how much did the O6ers age relative to the Losties on the island? If 3 years of time passed for the O6ers, and only a few months for the island-bound Losties, would that mean that the O6ers aged more during that time so that, for example if Sawyer and Kate were the same age initially, now Kate is almost 3 years older?
Not that it matters, but just another paradox resulting from the time travel. But I thought the producers said there would be “no time paradoxes”? :)
PJSander wrote:
Comment 26, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
haha…i knew someone was gonna call me out on the “ur explaination stinks” comment…that was just me being frustrated as im sure everyone gets trying to figure this stuff out…I do appologize it was alittle harsh..but i still stand by the fact that it makes no sense…half the time I just think its the writers actually trying to make nosense out of it and have nerds like us..talk about it all day and come up with crazy theories…
anyone like the theory that Widmore is the co-pilot of the plane?
Comment 27, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LaFleur – it should be two words if it’s supposed to mean “the flower.” In addition to “The Little Prince,” it could also be an allusion to TS Eliot’s “Ulysses” (which Ben was reading on the plane) – the protagonist’s last name is Bloom. Doc Jensen’s EW write-up was pretty interesting addressing a link between Bloom and Sawyer.
My thoughts – it had been almost (like months shy of) 3 years for the O6 before Locke even left the island. The island was moving on a completely different time-line than the rest of the world (i.e., back and forth and all over the place) until Locke fixed the wheel. It’s obvious that Jin has been with Dharma for a little bit when the O6′ers show back up, but we’ll all just have to wait until tonight to find out just how long that’s been.
Wouldn’t Faraday’s experiment show that there is some difference b/w time on the island and time off the island, even when the island isn’t skipping? I think that even when we find out how long the crew has been with Dharma, we’re not going to know exactly how long Locke was off-island.
Comment 28, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
Right…several weeks…not 3 years..not even 1 year…
all im saying that this whole time hurleys in the mental institution..kates raising aaron..jacks goin nuts…sayids killing people for ben…the other losties spent 4 days on the island…..ur explaination stinks…PJ is on to something but there are still alot of time holes…as far as I can tell…Locke turned the wheel and has been off the Island..alive or dead..whatever..in total for no more than 6 months..leaving alot of questions…also..christian was murdered…noone on this show dies of “natural” causes..name 1…i doubt christian was the first
you sound like you are LOST in time…
my guess is that time has gone by 3 years on the island once the flashes stopped. It seems to me that time moves fine when the island is still, but when the island is moving then time gets bunked completely (which ultimately becomes the source for what is “time travel”) …Its already been said that results are unpredictable, but I’d say that there are certain points in time that are connected in some way (guess)…
sep1954–some point in the 70′s—some point in 1988—sep2004—some point in 2007…
all of these points in our real time are the same point in island time, if that makes any sense…
Comment 29, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Anyone else think that Eloise was exiled along with Widmore?
Comment 30, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
My first thought was that “La Fleur” simply refers to the Orchid Station.
Comment 31, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
- creole
- hootnannie
- reiko anysworth
- richard alpert tells of the last time he met jon locke.
Comment 32, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Post 19 stated that Christian died from a massive heart attack. The coroner who tells Jack that information ironically does not have an Australian accent. Maybe there is more to Christian’s death.
Comment 33, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Wheres Vincent!?!?!?!….The part of the story I don’t like is that the losties gave up looking for Vincent after a few flashes. They didn’t put posters up or anything, they just sat on the porch like a goon and waited for a flash. Those Losties gotta think ‘You got a pet. You got a responsibility. If your dog gets lost you don’t look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you find that fu@#in dog.
Comment 34, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
Admittedly, Abaddon could have been lying too, but Helen died of a brain aneurysm.
Comment 35, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
That reminds me of a time when Adam Sandler was actually funny.
Ben wrote:
What?
Comment 36, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
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Sounds like you may need more than answers, friend.
A heart attack brought on by binge drinking is an accidental death, not death by “natural causes.” But Mr. $tuart makes a good (and civil) point – there may be more to Christian’s death than the ‘facts’ we were given in ‘White Rabbit.’
Comment 37, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
What dharma station were Carlos and Sayid’s cop lady at last episode (where he got the shotgun)? I remember seeing a flower (in Dharma style) on one of the folders/binders he was looking through. Could this be the reference “LeFluer” is aimed at?
-je ne se pas
Comment 38, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Walt’s mom, Susan Lloyd died of a blood disorder.
Comment 39, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LaDeuche wrote:
The Hydra.
Comment 40, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Ben’s mother died in childbirth.
Comment 41, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
TWO SHEA HAMMER-
Admittedly, Abaddon could have been lying too, but Helen died of a brain aneurysm.
But dont you find it funny that a “brain aneurysm” killed her..out of everything they could have picked….isnt that what happens to alot of other people in this show….like…charlotte..is it too much to assume helen has a role in the time travel somewhere…
it just seems kinda silly that this huge player on the Island was just allowed to drink himself to death…granted maybe he had to die because that was hir role…but again..isnt that sort of a form of suicide..christian was murdered..possibly after his attempted suicide (drinking)…JMHO
Comment 42, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
merci.
Comment 43, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
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I think you may be onto something…I was just pointing out that other folks were ‘supposed’ to have died from natural causes. Any yes, you have a good theory that maybe Helen died of TD, seemed odd that they brought her back into the story.
Comment 44, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Jason wrote:
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Why yes, I brought it up either in the LADOJB thread or the 316 thread, don’t remember which, but I know it was ‘smacked’ around a bit.
Don’t have any support for the theory yet, but I thought about it.
Comment 45, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I agree with widmore and Hawking being exiled or thrown off at the same time…I also strongly think that penny and faraday are brother and sister..there is a reason we havent seen or heard anything of Pennys Mom…also…I think we might just end up liking widmore..Christian tells locke “when has listening to ben ever got you anywhere worth a damn”…richards done with Ben too and has moved on to Locke…everything really points to Ben being the bad guy and Widmore is someone the writers geniously made us hate for the past 5 seasons and then have it all come together and us realize that we hate Widmore and think hes bad because of Ben
Comment 46, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
Agreed. I think the last episode cleared up the bad guy (definitely Ben) from the potential good guy (Widmore). I don’t think we’ve ever seen Ben do anything genuinely selfless, without expecting something in return. (And yet people still give him the benefit of the doubt… aarrrgh!)
Widmore is trying to look after Penny, and (perhaps) the island. But too many more episodes before the end to know for sure.
4 hours and counting…
Comment 47, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I defo think it has always happened theory to be correct well except for Desmond.Especially with Abaddon bringing Locke to “where he needed to be” for his walkabout cause Whitmore knew that is the way it had always happened and he probably manipulated the others losties on to that flight also as he knew them from the 70′s on the island and Faraday would have provided all other information as he worked for him in the future to bring it back to the past but wouldn’t Faraday warn him of what is to come so maybe they are in the 80′s or there was not enogh time for Whitmore to change events
Comment 48, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Or Faraday told Whitmore because this the way things have always happened but because of course correction things cant be changed but Whitmore has always known the future and has been a step ahead and this has how he became so rich once off the island but knows he has to stick to the main blueprint and cant deviate to much sorry rattling on here.
Hi all from Ireland love the show
Comment 49, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
ok…now i’m starting to think it IS 70s (and not late 80s) based on pierre chang filming the arrow video. that’s assuming that miles is the crying baby.
but in the comic con video, chang has knowledge of the future, i’m guessing from our LOSTies, and i’m starting to think that daniel’s previous appearance in the 70s/orchid era was a new flash in [current island] time that we will see forthcoming.
Comment 50, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i’m starting to think that daniel’s previous appearance in the 70s/orchid era was a new flash in [current island] time that we will see forthcoming.
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I agree & think that’s when Daniel tells a young Charlotte to never come back to the island.
I believe it will be revealed eventually that Daniel & Penny are brother & sister. (mentioned in comment 45)
Comment 51, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
For those of you who have not yet been bludgeoned by the sad concept of reality, I will try to let you down easy…
According to ABC.com, next Wednesday, they are showing the season premiere of Scrubs (and a second episode) at 8pm and the enhanced version of LaFleur in the 9pm slot.
Looks like no new episode of LOST next week, which, well, really bites.
I can feel the withdrawal symptoms kicking in already!
: ) P
Comment 52, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
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As I’ve posted before, I DON’T think Widmore and Hawking were exiled together, at least not NECESSARILY. Widmore seems to be an outsider off island, and Hawking seems to be the keeper of the Lamp post and an island insider. I see her as more of an “off-island-on-assignment” Dharma/Other.
I DO however, agree that it is likely that Daniel and Penny are related, but maybe more likely cousins, as I agree with those who have said that Eloise and Charles are likely brother and sister.
Comment 53, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Ooooh ouch, that hurts. Well i guess if i can hold out for 8 months then i can probably deal with an extra week off.
Comment 54, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Maybe it refers to Pepe le Pew, the skunk. His girlfriend he always chased around with a flower was Penelope Pussycat. Will we see Penny tonight?
No, really. I vote for the Orchid Station, too. I think we’ll see more of what was going on down there during Dharma times with Dr. Candle!
Comment 55, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
intolost wrote:
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Or maybe we will find out that Dr Candle/Wickman/Halliwax/Chang’s new name is Pepe LaFleur. :)
Comment 56, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Ben wrote:
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Stealing from EW and Doc again. At least have the decency to state WHERE you got something. Also this is supposed to be a no spoiler blog.
Comment 57, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Just popped into my head, that maybe we will find out that Locke might try to go back to get Helen now that he knows when she died. In fact, we might find that wouldn’t it be just like Locke’s “luck” that he may have been the reason she dies? How tragically ironic that would be…
Comment 58, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Are you suggesting that he turn the wheel again – just after he stabilized the violent time shifts? He was dead in the real world… the island(s) brought him back to life. The last time he left the island, the island sent him home in a wheelchair – just the way he arrived. IMO, if the island sends him home again – it’ll be in a coffin… just the way he arrived. Maybe that is how they will end the series in May 2010, Locke makes the ultimate sacrifice – to save everyone else. (Man of Faith)
Comment 59, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Will posted that above.
Comment 60, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
duke wrote:
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I was wondering what the hell that meant. You are right, this is supposed to be a NO SPOILER blog. It’s in the RULES at the bottom. I hope you read my response on the last post. No harm intended.:)
Comment 61, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
What a tease…back of statue….time flash…damn it!
Comment 62, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Didn’t look like a sphinx though, at least not my image of one.
Sawyer=Lafleur
Comment 63, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Did a freeze from on the dvr…appears to have ears like a dog….more dog references?
Comment 64, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Charlotte Goodspeed?
Comment 65, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
That’s exactly what I text my sister!!! OMG! NO LIE!
Comment 66, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
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GMTA Tasha…not leah. :)
Comment 67, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Ugh, this episode is giving me a headache man. Just a million questions have just been asked and they just keep truckin along. 3 years later, 3 years earlier, we don’t even know WHEN they are…This is too much for one episode…It’s also pretty hard to accept that they arent in the present any longer, and can’t return to the present…
Comment 68, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
Scratch that. Is Amy Horace’s sister and is she pregnant from Sawyer?
Comment 69, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
New girl Annie? Ben send goons to kill her boyfriend?
Comment 70, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Are you sure? LOL
What is GMTA mean???
Comment 71, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
NVM….la la la.
Comment 72, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
That’s what I was thinking too! Oh rats, it’s a boy – not baby Charlotte then.
Comment 73, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Great Minds Think Alike.
Comment 74, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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It’s a boy? WTF
GMTA =Great Minds Think Alike
Comment 75, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
What happened to Olivia Goodspeed? Did she die during childbirth?
Comment 76, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
Nah. Everyone was good. Charlotte was so cute! WTH is going on?
Comment 77, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
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That wasn’t Olivia, Tasha, that was Amy. (who’s Amy??)
Comment 78, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
There really is a working sub and it appears Faraday has not yet delivered his message to Charlotte.
Comment 79, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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He said he wasn’t going to.
Comment 80, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Starting to look like Ben’s kharma is the reason for the childbirth issues.
Dan kept mumbling that he’s “not gonna tell her”. Think he will? Did it always happen?
Comment 81, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Could the boy be Desmond?
This Show is So-Damn-Good!
Comment 82, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Well we just met baby Charolette. And our good buddy Richard’s back
Comment 83, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Uh oh…a love square?
Comment 84, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Yes, I thought that last year.
Comment 85, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Yes, and I really think Kate is going back for Sawyer, not for Jack. Could get ugly…or at least interesting!
Comment 86, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Is anyone else mad about this episode?
Comment 87, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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I know…I don’t remember who started it…but we agreed about it.
Comment 88, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Slimee wrote:
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No….bugt let me guess, too many new questions…not enough answers….
Comment 89, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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Especially if Kate is pregnant as suggested by some last week. And what if Juliet decides to have a baby now she delivered one on the island.
Comment 90, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I loved it. IMO, much better than last week.
Comment 91, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Could it be Charlie
Comment 92, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
that and just too many characters. I feel like we’re following too many people now. it’s just way too confusing
Comment 93, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LOVED IT! LOVED IT!
Comment 94, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Slimee wrote:
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Take a deep breath, in and out….watch it again….you’ll get thru it. :)
Comment 95, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Oops, sorry. I don’t read “above the fold” because I don’t want to be spoiled.
: ) P
Comment 96, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Slimee wrote:
Really? I didn’t find it confusing at all. When Sawyer meets Jack, Kate, and Hurley ( No Sun or Sayid, yet ) it is 1977.
Comment 97, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
BTW all of you that think Alpert is the leader….looks like he was in charge during Dharma…not Widmore. Looks like Alpert exiled Charles….IMO.
Comment 98, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Humor appeared to be back with the Sawyer episode. Not sure what was my favorite nickname ( probably Enos ), but my favorite line was “Your buddy, the guy with the eyeliner.”
Comment 99, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
“Your buddy out there with the eyeliner,…”
Nodding to us coo coo fans.
Comment 100, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I am not sure about this episode….I was waiting for Sawyer to say, Jacob sent us. LOL. Then Richard would be like What What???
Comment 101, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Yes, and that was 1974. So when, if ever, was Widmore the leader?
Comment 102, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I imagine for the “casual” viewer, that episode was infuriating. They wouldn’t remember Horace, would have missed the “little Charlotte” reference and get muddled in the three years earlier / later jumps.
For me, though, it was wonderful. I still want to know where Bernard and Rose (and Vincent) are though!
What happened to Olivia? Horace and Olivia were together when Ben was born (or at least we were led to believe that) and appeared to be together when Ben was brought to the island as a boy – which ought to be AROUND this same time period. Ideas?
: ) P
Comment 103, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I also was waiting to hear the name of Goodspeed’s baby. I am more confused than ever.
Comment 104, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I also was waiting to hear the name of Goodspeed’s baby. I am more confused than ever.
Also…where were Miles and Dan at in the future. Or the current time. Dan is acting like a crazy lunatic obsessed with a young child! (You know how that would look)
Comment 105, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I’m guessing that Faraday figures out how to turn the daisy wheel and return everybody to the rightful time.
Comment 106, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Do we have a definitive frame of reference as to the year on island? The only thing I heard was Juliet’s GUESS of 70′s or 80′s.
: ) P
Comment 107, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
I think they didn’t reveal that on purpose – will probably be a shocker of sorts. Any guesses?
Comment 108, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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That’s a good point. Hmmmm. I am pretty sure he was with his wife at this time. So is Ben wandering around already and Sawyer and them haven’t noticed? Throws away alot of my theories about Horace being Annie or Charlotte’s dad. He had a boy. Wow. I want answers!
Comment 109, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Could the baby boy really be Charlie? Perhaps he left on the sub? And whats with Sawyer and Juliet? And uh oh….here comes “Freckles”…I’m a bit confused..However I’m going to watch it again tomorrow…I’m new to this blog, so please bear with me, but I have watched the show since day one!
Comment 110, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
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Could be…but what the hell is a daisy wheel? LMAO…
Comment 111, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Sawyer said to Juliet that it was 1974 at one point, so it bounced between that and 1977.
Comment 112, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
On the sub dock, Sawyer says it’s 1974 and asks her to stay for 2 weeks.
Comment 113, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I meant on post 108….that he would have been with his wife until sometime after Ben arrived. After the way he talks about how long it takes to get over someone, seems like he ISN’T or HASN’T been with her yet. If she died or they broke up he would have a better idea on the answer to that. JMO
Comment 114, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Anybody think that Amy has been seeing her dead husband walking around the island. What would the others want with his body? I also suspect that burying the bodies has something to do with something. Didn’t Keamy’s crew bury Russou and Carl?
Oh, and I gotta give it to Jin-his english has really come a long way.
Comment 115, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
Rita wrote:
Thank you! I was feeling LOST! LOL.
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Comment 116, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sun and sayid are in 1977 with the rest i think and i think i know why ben did not flash with them because if he flashed to 1977 than there would be kid ben and adult ben in the same time period which would kinda mess up some things
also the four toed statue was huge so there is no way that it just fell over and even if it did, it wouldnt just disappear, it wouldnt ever just deteriorate so i think someone took it down…but who put it up?
Comment 117, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DharmaGreg wrote:
Did you notice the difference between 1974 and 1977. His English was much better, but then again, he has been around Dharma people for 3 years.
Comment 118, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Osiris Statue…what do ya’ll think???
Comment 119, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
I’m confused. Horace was married to Olivia years before he was married to Amy, correct?
Comment 120, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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That’s the confusing part! I don’t think he was with Olivia yet. Something is wrong here! If this is after Olivia….then where is Ben?
Comment 121, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
tessa wrote:
Welcome and for TIPS on posting, check out last week’s THREAD, The Life and Death of JB, comment number 464.
Comment 122, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
The most important scene in this show is the extremely large statue on the island. This is likely Anubis. Egyptian God of the Afterlife. This is important, because regardless of what people think about Richard’s natural look that he has… he looks Egyptian. The hyroglyphics have been used throughout the show… that statue validates it. Just something to think about… I wouldn’t be surprised if Richard and Jacob are both ancient Egyptian.
Comment 123, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
LOVE IT!!!
Osiris (Greek language, also Usiris; the Egyptian language name is variously transliterated Asar, Aser, Ausar, Ausir, Wesir, or Ausare) was an Egyptian god, usually called the god of the Afterlife.
Osiris is one of the oldest gods for whom records have been found; one of the oldest known attestations of his name is on the Palermo Stone of around 2500 BC. He was widely worshiped until the suppression of the Egyptian religion during the Christian era.[1][2]The information we have on the myths of Osiris is derived from allusions contained in the Pyramid Texts (ca. 2400 BC), later New Kingdom source documents such as the Shabaka Stone and the Contending of Horus and Seth, and much later, in narrative style from the writings of Greek authors including Plutarch[3] and Diodorus Siculus.[4]
Osiris was not only a merciful judge of the dead in the afterlife, but also the underworld agency that granted all life, including sprouting vegetation and the fertile flooding of the Nile River. The Kings of Egypt were associated with Osiris in death — as Osiris rose from the dead they would, in union with him, inherit eternal life through a process of imitative magic. By the New Kingdom all people, not just pharaohs, were believed to be associated with Osiris at death if they incurred the costs of the assimilation rituals.[5]
Osiris was at times considered the oldest son of the Earth god, Geb,[6] and the sky goddess, Nut as well as being brother and husband of Isis, with Horus being considered his posthumously begotten son.[6]
Osiris was later associated with the name Khenti-Amentiu, which means ‘Foremost of the Westerners’ a reference to his kingship in the land of the dead.
Comment 124, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Do you think that maybe the statue is of Anubis (god of the dead)?
Comment 125, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Doh! Anthony beat me to it! :P
Comment 126, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
Just because we didn’t see young Ben in this episode doesn’t mean he isn’t there. This is 1974/1977 well after the birth of Ben Linus off the island.
Comment 127, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Anthony wrote:
On the Money. Here’s the wiki with pics.:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis
Comment 128, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Before he came to the Island, Horace was driving with his wife Olivia 32 miles outside of Portland when he came upon Roger Linus carrying Emily Linus on the side of the road, right after Ben had been prematurely born. He wanted to take Ben’s dying mother to the hospital, but she died before he had the chance to. (“The Man Behind the Curtain”)
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Olivia and Horace were involved with the DHARMA Initiative. Olivia worked on the Island as an elementary school teacher. Both Ben and Annie were in a class that she taught.(“The Man Behind the Curtain”) When the Hostiles attacked, Olivia reacted as though it was a not uncommon occurrence, and had a plan for how the students were to lock the doors and take cover. Olivia also matter-of-factly picked up a gun, and showed great proficiency with how she carried it.
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SO maybe Olivia wasn’t the same Olivia that was his wife. Does he ever say that? Im gonna look at the transcripts!!
ALl this is from Lostpedia. DOn’t want to get in trouble!
Comment 129, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Here is the wiki page about Ankh – the necklace heiroglyph that Amy’s husband had… it means eternal life!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh
: ) P
Comment 130, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
Yes, I posted Olivia’s page in comment 82. She was Horace’s wife.
Comment 131, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
Horace’s wife tonight was AMY, who was formerly married to and widow of Paul. Olivia was definitely BEFORE Amy, we just don’t know what happened to her.
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Comment 132, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Jacob.:) LOL
Comment 133, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
That’s alright Kind! :P At least I am not alone… think about this too… when Amy’s husband dies, she takes the Ankh from around his neck… the cross with the loop on the top. Horace pulls this out of his pocket when he is talking to Sawyer. The Ankh means “eternal life” in egyptian. Couple that with Anubis, Guardian of the Afterlife, and you have an island bread for Pharaoh. They are just basically throwing it in our faces… this thing is chock full of Ancient Egypt.
Comment 134, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Yes, Anthony….love it more than Osiris (sorry Tasha…I think the statue has the jackyl head as opposed to the human one of Osiris).
Comment 135, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Anyone else live in Phoenix? The ABC feed was frozen for the first 20 minutes. How long until the episode is available on abc.com??
Comment 136, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
UNLV wrote:
Sucks for you. It should be on abc.com tomorrow, I believe 5 a.m.
Comment 137, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Thanks Lost4ever. Now I am only lost for a night.
Comment 138, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Well dogs seem to be a theme. I know this sounds stupid, but the one time they showed Jacob, his hair was done in a fashion that looked sort of like dog ears hanging down….I brought it up way back when it aired.
Is Jacob supposed to be like Anubis? Is the statue Jacob?
Comment 139, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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YES YES YES!! I agree!
And YES I get it now about Horace and Olivia and Amy. Transcript didn’t say he said anything about her. Sorry I missed that post lost4ever.
Comment 140, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Dare I say it….eternal life…whisperers?
Comment 141, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
That’s what *I* was thinkin’ Lincoln!
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Comment 142, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Some folks think this episode wasn’t good….my mind is absolutley spinning…
Comment 143, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Don’t post here much, but love reading everyone’s ideas.
I was wondering if anyone notice that Juliet looked pregnant when she was in the kitchen with Sawyer?
Comment 144, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
This is the first time EVER that I felt like I had to rewatch immediately. So I think I am off to do so. I will check back periodically and see what else has been discussed! LOL.
: ) P
Comment 145, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Anyone think the Asian kid is the son of the guy in the Orientation videos…i think all of these kids are from the island
Comment 146, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I paused my DVR on the statue and from the back, it looks like a female. Anyone else see it that way?
Comment 147, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
After reading the wiki page, my knowledge of ancient Egypt comes from playing the computer game Pharoah, I would say Alpert is like Anubis and Jacob would be Osiris.
Comment 148, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
thats what i thought at first but now that people mentioned anubis i definately think thats what it is…here is the link for what we saw tonight
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:FourToedFull.jpg
Comment 149, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i think just because richard came into the camp to talk to horace doesn’t mean that the others didn’t have a leader, or that he was their leader…he always seemed to have an authoritative role, even when ben was leading them…
so if the episode ended in 1977, there is a good chance that widmore is still on the island and possibly their leader. since richard looked so clean cut tonight, i’m going to pose the theory that whenever widmore is exiled, the others have to live more primitively than ever before until closer to 15 years later when the purge takes place and they can be in power again…it’s a rough theory, but i’m working on it :)
also, obviously dan had been there before in the 70′s or 80′s to warn charlotte about the island…now he’s back again and he says he won’t warn her…is he just living his life in a loop, keeping him between 1974 and 2005? i know that sounds a little crazy, but maybe? how does that all work? perhaps this is how alpert doesn’t age?
Comment 150, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Anubis was the god to protect the dead and bring them to the afterlife.
Um John Locke, Christian Shepard?
Comment 151, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Horace and Olivia – she died during child birth.
Amy and Paul – he died at the hands of Alpert’s aboriginal warriors.
Horace and Amy (years later) – found a relationship in the aftermath. Made a baby.
Horace was a tree-huggin hippy punk. Then he found booze and dynamite. Now he is a kindred soul to Sawyer (and me).
PS: I don’t know a single woman Juliet’s age that doesn’t look like she has a ‘baby-bump’… I think they call that a POOCH! Comes with staring down 40.
Comment 152, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I also think the hair on the statue does not look egyptian. It would be straighter.
Comment 153, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
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Not me…no shirt/boob cover. :)
Comment 154, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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i agree, very good writing, lots to ponder…. :)
Comment 155, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Gotcha, I can buy that.
Comment 156, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I don’t get it.. For real though, that statue has some nice curves and long flowing hair.
Comment 157, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
yea i read the wikipedia page about osiris and hammer posted something before about him having a son named horus…the writers dont come up with random names for characters so if jacob is supposed to be our “osiris” than our horrace definately is going to play a big role in everything eventually IMO
Comment 158, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Was olivia sometime after Amy or before? So however the baby is is about 37 years old when losties first arrived. We know that this episode was between 1974-1977. Do we know Ben’s birthdate? I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE BABY IS BEN!!!!!!!!!!! He may have been born (my guess) is about 5-7 years before this putting him in the 32-34 year old range when losties first arrived (about 36-38 when he turned the wheel). Maybe even up to 10 years before. But it at least had to be about the same time frame but I have always viewed him as older than Charlotte who appearred about 3-4 years old when we saw her. The baby has to be someone we have already seen. I will ponder and get back with my guess when I can rationalize who it may be.
Comment 159, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
YES!…Hey did anybody notice that when Sawyer and Jin sat on the bench at Dharma, that Sawyer said “Annie Locke?”
Wooooo!Too much tonite! I’ll see you cats next week when I catch up! Already saw some nice posts just skimming through tho…later…
Comment 160, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
definitely way too many people for the casual viewer aka someone who has seen episode but doesn’t research it for hours a night. I will say that things are starting to come full circle, but I still don’t expect answers at all. I think one of the last episodes of the season will all be able Ben and/or Widmore which will clear up alot.
word.
Comment 161, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
That’s what I think….maybe it’s Isis? LOL Wasn’t she Horus’s mother?
Comment 162, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
wally p wrote:
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You sure he didn’t say “Any luck?”?
Comment 163, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Vaughn K wrote:
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It probably got blown up in coming war. Then the pieces disappearred into the water.
Comment 164, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
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That’s twice this season. LMAO. Remeber when Ben asked Hawking “Any luck?” and someone thought HE said “Annie Locke” to her?
Comment 165, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
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Nah, Isis doesn’t have pointed ‘jackyl’ ears.
Comment 166, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
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Even still, don’t egyptian statues usually have super straight hair?
Comment 167, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
That statue has to be Anubis…i dont need to say anything else about the egyptian god you guys already covered it….. lets also remember that our black rock slaves were from egypt so we have an egyptian statue, egyption hieroglyph, and a guy who looks egyptian and legitimately doesnt age. (richard) so putting some pieces together, Juliet said Richard “always been here” so he was probably incharge or helped build our massive statue. Still dont know where the egyptian slaves on the black rock fit into this or the hieroglyphics fit in but im going to guess historical things that happened in egypt may just happen on our island. The plagues? that may be a stretch but we’re on a christian and ancient egypt religious base right now and the plagues is where those two cultures met.
Comment 168, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
duke wrote:
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that would have to be some serious fire power to blow something that big up…im pretty sure they arent going to have tanks rolling around the island or packing rocket launchers
Comment 169, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I don’t see any dog ears, just hair and then something across the top.
Comment 170, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I thought that was a statue of Vincent! lol!
Comment 171, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
that would have to be some serious fire power to blow something that big up…im pretty sure they arent going to have tanks rolling around the island or packing rocket launchers
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Really? Time travel ok. Reincarnation ok. Smoke monsters ok. Hatches, crippled people walking, FDW, etc. But tanks and rocket launchers? Now that’s crazy talk…
Comment 172, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
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Here it is:
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/5ec86b30a63635da25c16b67748e0694
Comment 173, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
THAT STATUE DOES NOT HAVE POINTED JACKYL EARS!
If anything we should be looking up Gods like Sekhmet. Those are ears for sure…but not tall and pointy. Also that is a female. What do you think he/she is holding?
Comment 174, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
When Sawyer spoke with Guyliner and told him the John Locke story, I automatically assumed that was the reason John got an invitation to go to the Mittlelos Laboratory summer camp. However, according to Lostpedia, Locke was 16 when he got the invite, which means it would have been 1973 at the latest. Could Lostpedia be wrong, and the talk with Sawyer is what prompted Guyliner to pursue Locke once again???
When Locke So, after the conversation
Comment 175, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Ok, ok. I do see some pointy ears. Looks like it’s holding an ankh in it’s right hand.
Comment 176, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
I definitely see pointed ears with a mohawk. But look at the hands, the statue is holding something.
Comment 177, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hey man im not above thinking the statue is vincent cuz who knows where the dog is at? at btw…. that statue is massive and the amount of man power, tools, and time it would take to build that for that time period assuming its a long time ago, would take close to 30-50 years maybe longer
Comment 178, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
That’s it, an ankh. Now who holds an ankh?
Comment 179, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I am guessing that the left hand is holding the Ankh. Many of the Egyptian gods seem to hold them.
Comment 180, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Abaddon wrote:
I think ancient egyptians could handle that.:) Were the slaves on the Black Rock from Egypt? I didn’t know that was ever mentioned.
Comment 181, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I am not really suggesting that it is true, but from the back, the statue looks like Juliet. In another life, I made a living watching bodies, and that is whom I saw immediately.
Having said that, Juliet does not have Dr. Spock / doberman pinscher ears. But the attire does look like a long sweater. IDK.
The time they were in could have been thousands of years ago, why is it hard to believe that the statue would crumble? Have you SEEN the ruins of ancient Rome? And that city isn’t MOVING! LOL
: ) P
Comment 182, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
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I’m down with Tasha. I think it’s Sekhmet. She has a lion head. Smaller ears than Anubis. And holding in ankh in her right hand.
Comment 183, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I meant right hand. And it seem MANY gods carried them.
Comment 184, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Skweez wrote:
That’s a good point. I hadn’t thought of that. Lostpedia may be wrong, after all, as a good friend of mine told me, it is written by fans like us.
Comment 185, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Many egyptian gods hold ankhs. Not just one.
Comment 186, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
first off, how is that online already? Secondly, that is DEFINITELY not a Mohawk.
Comment 187, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Moot point. Richard knew about Locke since before he was born. Something other than Sawyer’s conversation could have been the reason to invite him to camp.
Comment 188, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
Half of them are holding the ankh.
Comment 189, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
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I can buy that it’s her. But for now, I’m sticking with gods of death/eternal life….whisperers….
Comment 190, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
Not for all of us that like to discuss things on blogs.
Comment 191, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Luv reading everyone’s posts..
Does anyone have any thoughts on the “truce”? The Others appeared to have killed Paul and yet Richard appears and has determined that if two of his guys are missing, then Dharma broke the truce. And why does Paul’s dead body fulfill what the Others need in retribution (or return)? Wouldn’t it seem that the Others broke the truce if they killed a Dharma member first and seemed well on their way to killing Amy, too?
Could the baby boy be Farraday?
Comment 192, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
As much as I hate Sawyer, it is nice to see that he is happy
Comment 193, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
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Lol. I am not saying it’s her. Just those ears to me are more like a lion. Also I think it’s a female. That looks more like a dress. Looks more like a modern statue with the short skirt LOL.
Comment 194, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
helen wrote:
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I took it as the Others didn’t know that those two killed Paul. So Alpert can take Paul back to the Others and say he killed the guy that killed their two.
Comment 195, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Was that really Charlotte? If so, then either Ben was wrong with her date of birth or they are not in the year 1974.
Comment 196, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
long hair=dreads
Comment 197, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Ok, so the O6 lived for three years off island before the return
and Sawyer, et al lived three years as dharma folks for three years before the return
But Locke skipped ahead the three years when he pushed the FDW
So maybe the island will give Locke back his three missing years, but then its over, b/c he died in the RW?
Comment 198, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
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Don’t back out on me now baby! I’m riding this wave until Hammer proves it wrong.
Just give me two weeks…
Comment 199, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I loved, loved, loved seeing Sawyer’s dimples again! He looked genuinely happy with Juliet.
Comment 200, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
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Yeah, maybe Locke’s skipping ahead was a course correction since Ben stole his thunder by turning it first. The island just stuck him ‘when’ he needed to gather the folks for their ‘window’.
Comment 201, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Olivia and Horace were married at least until Ben came to the island as a 10-12 yo
Amy must come after Olivia. Therefore, when Amy and Horace are married, Ben is on the island as a child.
Don’t you think Sawyer and friends (esp Juliet!) would know about this and go rough that little f’er up :)
Comment 202, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I love Kimmel after LOST. His Secrets of LOST are funny.
Comment 203, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
Comment 204, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Who says Horace and Amy are married? Maybe they just shacked up after her husband died.
Anyone notice the four toed statue is carrying two of the pieces on the necklace?
Comment 205, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
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I think I might go with Horus…he wears those short things and doesn’t have the huge ears! LOL. I will probably change my mind in 5 minutes! http://www.theplatelady.com/egyptian/horus-5311.jpg
Comment 206, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
katesFriend wrote:
Oh mylanta. I just choked on a piece of cold garlic bread laughing at that!
FWIW, I also think that the 4TS looks like a character from the Arthur cartoon series on PBS. I’m just saying…
: ) P
Comment 207, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I just realized we as viewers spent years watching 108 days go by and now it seems years fly by…
I just say this b/c I think I really want Sawyer and Juliet to stay together…they have now been together 3 years whereas Juliet/Jack and Sawyer/Kate only knew each other for 1/3 year!
Comment 208, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
JLV wrote:
That would be interesting! They did clue us in with the flashback to the Orientation guy caring for a baby before work and then followed with Dan suggesting to Miles that maybe he has been to the island before like Charlotte.
Comment 209, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Ben wrote:
Either Horace referred to her as his wife or Sawyer did in that scene. Please don’t post spoilers on this site before the airing. Comment 31.
Comment 210, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
who says we are looking at the four toed statue? we could be looking at the three toed or six toed statue.
Comment 211, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
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LMAO, ten bucks says when they see him, Sawyer calls him Pinnochio.
Comment 212, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
EL wrote:
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You two must be new here…that theory is has been beat around since the season premiere. :)
Comment 213, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
EL wrote:
This has been discussed quite a bit. Please see the thread for the season premiere, start at comment 58, then skip to 65 for a long list of comments.
HTH,
: ) P
Comment 214, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
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I said that last season after we first met Miles, I think under the OTHER WOMAN thread.
Comment 215, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hey guys.. i got my degree in egyptology and actually just got back from egypt and a lot of the archaeological sites.. thought i’d throw my two cents out there to clarify some confusion
i’d be shocked if that statue was anubis because from this angle it’s not an accurate depiction of him at all.. i would tend to fall in line with the sekhmet theory posed earlier if just looking at the head but the problem is sekhmet is almost always depicted sitting down and with an ankle long skirt rather than the knee high skirt that only males wear and that our statue is wearing.. and the majority of the time she has the solar disk on her head rather than the flat crown but she has been depicted like that before..
sekhmet is the lioness goddess of memphis, capitol of the old kingdom when the giza pyramids were built.. she was thought to serve as protector for the gods so that would fall in line with the Others/indigenous inhabitants desires to keep all other people off the island.. so its possible that statue was built to ward people away
anubis on the other hand is the jackal headed god who was responsible for taking people to the underworld.. rather than the god of the underworld as some have incorrectly surmised.. that would be osiris.. who is definitely not the model for the statue.. not only did anubis lead the dead across to the underworld but he was also responsible for embalming their organs in canopic jars and mummifying them.. if the rituals of anubis were not allowed to occur, the dead would be destined to roam the world as an ethereal spirit and never achieve peace.. this could relate to the minor revelation about the dead having to be buried in today’s episode.. or also to our chronic island=purgatory theories
someone also posed a horus possibility.. based on the angle we got its highly unlikely.. however there probably is a strong correlation to goodspeed.. he is the leader of dharma and throughout ancient egyptian history horus is synonymous with each pharoah in power.. horus was thought to be the first official pharaoh of egypt who united upper and lower egypt according to the mythos.. the actual first pharaoh was narmer or menes (not determined as of yet whether they actually are one and the same king) and he actually did unite the two halves of egypt.. so after narmer each king was thought to be the current earthly manifestation of horus.. mandated by him to be in power.. so steles and temple art depict horus granting power to each king.. like an inauguration of sorts.. in this sense his mythos makes sense but not for the statue
one last thing before i stop this long post.. someone already said it but ill confirm that ankh is depicted in the hands of nearly every ancient egyptian god or goddess.. especially as you get into the middle and new kingdoms.. all temple art shows ankh in the right hand of the gods.. ankh is primarily depicted in the embalming/mummifying chambers dedicated to anubis.. not only is it in his hand but all throughout the art and hieroglyphs.. it represents not only eternal life but a rebirth
fabulous episode!!
Comment 216, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Bedtime for Bonze:
Since Dan’s mom *g* didn’t help Dan save Char and now he’s going to possibly make a concious effort NOT to ‘tell her’. Can he successfully change what happened? Can he save her? Or is it futile?
Comment 217, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
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Thanks for your expertise Halliwax.
I think they purposely made the statue a varition of one of the Gods to be purposely vague…but the parts of your post I quoted above, IN MY MIND, help to support that IF they intended for the statue to be a varition of Anubis, then it supports my whisperers theory (I think they are looking for help to stop ‘wandering’ and are ‘stuck’). JMO.
Comment 218, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Oh, and IF Jacob is supposed to be represented by this statue and variation of Anubis…maybe his request for ‘help’ is that he is currently being stopped from performing his ritual to let the dead folks ‘carry on’.???
Comment 219, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Halliwax wrote:
WOW awesome! I am addicted to that stuff. So who do you think it is? No possiblity it could be Astarte could it? Carthage? Tunisia? LOL
Comment 220, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
You may be onto something with the Jacob thing Hammer.. I wonder about the powder around the cabin too and how that relates.. my only thing with that theory is that rather than Jacob being a representation of anubis.. he may just be an ethereal representation of someone we already know at some point in time on the island that needs ‘help’ because they’re stuck in that form and not being allowed to reach the next plane as assisted by whomever is playing the ‘anubis’ role on the island
Comment 221, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Vaughn K wrote:
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If you look closely the statue might have the Ankh in its hand, do you see it?????
Comment 222, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Not sure if anyone’s ever mentioned this — So Richard is the last of the immortal race of inhabitants who built the massivr statues and temple? Hence his flare for dressing up and wearing make-up. He and jacob are all that remain. But even an immortal humanoid is subject to the will of a god(jacob).
Comment 223, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Don’t remember if this was mentioned but I guess it’s confirmed Charlotte was not born in 79:)
Comment 224, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Can someone please clarify what time that John is in now? The Dharma station he was in with the mystery guy from the airplane was clearly one post purge. With Ben there, as someone mentioned previously, they couldn’t end up in 1977- as he is most likely already there as a younger version of himself. So…where will the writers go with some in 1977 and Ben and John in more present day life?
Comment 225, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Can someone please clarify what time that John is in now? The Dharma station he was in with the mystery guy from the airplane was clearly one post purge. With Ben there, as someone mentioned previously, they couldn’t end up in 1977- as he is most likely already there as a younger version of himself. So…where will the writers go with some in 1977 and Ben and John in more present day life?
Comment 226, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Skweez wrote:
There is no doubt that Charlotte turned the wheel, … went ahead in time… was forced to erase any existance of her past on the island. Daniel knows she is Charlotte, but I bet thats not her name on the island…
I dont know how long Daniel can last before he turns that wheel again… probably freaks out, grabs charlotte and bam… flash back to the statue…
Comment 227, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
hammer… do you really think the statue represents jacob, and do we really know that jacob even exists on the island now that we are back in time? i know that richard is there, but we havent heard that jacob is there yet, have we?
Comment 228, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
wally p wrote:
wait.. how do we know charlotte turned the wheel? am i missing somthing?
Comment 229, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Locke (and Ben) are in the actual present, 2008. The time flashes stopped as soon as Locke turned the wheel. Flight 316 lands at the Hydra station in real time, 2008. Jack, Kate, and Hurley we know end up in 1977, apparently having “flashed” out of the plane, reunited with Sawyer, Jin, and Juliet. The earlier theory of Jack/Kate/Hurley ending up in 1977 because they are supposed to be on the same timeline as the other Losties does make sense…it’s been three (or so) actual years for all of them. It’s interesting that we haven’t seen Sun or Sayid yet in 1977, and I don’t believe we’ve seen Miles or Faraday in 1977 either.
I don’t know if anybody has brought this up, but it seems to me that Faraday’s theory is not correct. He says that you can’t change the past. But, have they not done just that in this episode? Without Sawyer and Juliet’s intervention, Amy would have died. Thus, Amy wasn’t supposed to end up with Horace, and their child wouldn’t have even been born had Sawyer and Juliet’s intervention not taken place. For that matter, Amy wouldn’t have even delivered the child successfully without Juliet. So it seems like the Losties are, indeed, altering things. Unless this is how it all REALLY HAPPENED? I suppose that’s possible. That would have to mean that the 1977 Losties must get back to real-time somehow, because they do, after all, get to the Island and are the same physical age in 2004 when they take the original Oceanic flight.
I love the theory of children that may be born in the 70′s could be people we have come to know as adults from 2004-2008. Could Amy’s son be somebody we know? Will Kate’s baby, like I theorized last week? If Juliet is pregnant, maybe her too?
What a great show this is. It’s as compelling as ever this season.
Comment 230, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Newbie here so please forgive me in advance. First of all, I turned down this pilot and really wished I wouldn’t have!!! But, I had a sick cat and didn’t want to travel to Hawaii with her because there was an animal quarantine, etc.
Anyway, just a few questions and I’m hoping you “Losties” can help me out because to be quite honest-it would take me FOREVER to scroll through all the comments this season and past seasons. And my brain is about to explode after tonight’s episode. So many questions and so few answers. I’m posting here tonight because I’m pretty bummed we have to wait 2 weeks-haven’t we done enough waiting??? ok, moving on….
1) I am almost positive the baby in the Season 5 opener was Charlotte. It explains why she knows how to speak Korean. Does anyone else agree? My friends seem to think the baby is Miles but the baby looked caucasian to me. And tonight, Daniel looked up and saw a very young red-haired girl and said “Charlotte” She was with a darker skinned woman and speaking Korean.
2) I have met Michael Emerson (super nice guy, talked about LOST but not details of the show, more about the crew) and he almost always plays a bad guy. But I’m thinking he might not be on this show. I’m beginning to wonder how important his character is. He is beginning to seem like a pawn to possibly Ms. Hawking? Thoughts?
3) I think there is so much more to Faraday then we’ve seen to date-although my husband thinks he’s not that crucial. He is Hawking’s son but do we know who his father is?
4) DESMOND-one of my favorite characters-seems to be crucial. Although I’m not sure how. Anyone have suggestions here? On a personal note: if Ben kills Penny-I might have to stop watching the show!!
5) JACOB-I could go on and on here. I still don’t “get” the smoke monster (a security system for the temple?), the temple, the cabin moving, etc. Maybe I’m crazy or LOST—but it seems whoever/whatever Jacob is— he takes the form of the dead on the island (Christian Shepard) and I don’t know why! Or am I way off base here? Does anyone know or will I have to wait until the Season Finale??
6) LOCKE- ok, I assumed he would come back as Jacob but no….and what’s with the new group from the plane that landed with Ben, Locke, etc? Did Ben or Widmore place this group of new people on the plane? Walt mentioned to Locke that he had a dream and there would be people who wanted to kill him or something like that and I assume it’s these people.
7) Richard Albert- so dude has been there FOREVER but I still don’t understand the importance of his character although I assume he will be quite important when it’s all said and done.
8) Do we know who Adam and Eve are?
anyway, I love the show. the time travel elements. and of course it was nice seeing Sawyer being, um, nice tonight! Of course I knew at the end of Season 4 he and Juliette would end up together so tonight was no big surprise. Thanks in advance and looking forward to some answers!!!!!
Comment 231, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I still think Kate and Sawyer are going to end up together. I always thought that, even when Kate had feelings for Jack. Kate and Sawyer are like kindred spirits in the passion department! Juliet could be a “replacement” for Kate, since he never thought he’d see Kate again. It may not be for a while that he ends up with Kate but that is ultimately what I believe will happen.
Comment 232, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Maybe Horace is a Mormon.
Comment 233, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
confused wrote:
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We know that Charlotte leaves the island, and we know her records say that she was born in 1979… it was already guessed on this blog that she may have not been born in ’79, which has turned out to be true, So I would assume that the only way for her to get off of the island would have been from the wheel… since she has to lie about what year she was born, by about eight years…(it was 1974 right?)
ALSO, if its 1974/77 theres no Ben yet right? Didn’t he come in like 1982ish?
Comment 234, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LostJunkie wrote:
It makes sense to me… but theres gonna be some love square drama first. Ya’ll know you swallowed a lump when Kate looked at Sawyer… her and Juliet may have to slap fight first but corse correction will happen
Juliet is a perfect match for Jack… shes a doctor etc. So they swap couples a few times, have a double date at the Polar Bear cages and whatnot… Jack better get his shit together though… he’s gotta stop looking so stuffy! It just looked like this wasn’t his scene, man.
SPeaking of scene…did anyone else think that Horace was lighting a Cheech and Chonger up at the beggining of last nights ep for a second??? I was like WHAAAAAA! HA HA HA I decided Horace is one of my favorite characters… I hope he’s some kind of god…
Comment 235, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Rita wrote:
Comment 236, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LINS wrote:
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I really liked it too – although I’m a little leary of the impending “love square” as others here have put it. I really, REALLY hope that does not get much attention, but the way they played up Juliet/Sawyer’s relationship (Julyer? Sawiet?), Sawyer’s lines about not remembering what Kate looks like, etc, I fear it will be a significant subplot going forward.
Comment 237, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
wally p wrote:
the lump I swallowed was the contents of my stomach, which started to come back up at the thought of having to endure the love square for the duration of this series! :)
Comment 238, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Skweez wrote:
[sarcasm on] Ben wrong!? As in, maybe, just maybe, Ben was lying!!!?? No, it can’t be!! [/sarcasm off]
I never fully believed what Ben said about Charlotte last season. And being that Ben seems to know everything about everyone, it stands to reason that in 2004/2005, Ben knew exactly who Charlotte was, knew that she was born on the island and at some point left the island. As a youngster on the island, Ben may have even known the young Charlotte. But for whatever reason he felt like he had to hide the information about her being born on the island so he made up the other info.
Comment 239, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
wally p wrote:
Why couldn’t Charlotte have left on the sub? IMHO, Ben was lying when he said she was born in 1979. If she was born in 1979, then when we first saw her in season 4, she would have been about 25 years old, which I don’t think was the case. If she was 3 or so in 1974, then she was 33 or so in 2004, which seems about right.
I think Ben arrived on the island at about the same timeframe we’re seing in the episode (74-77). Per Lostpedia, he was born in the early 60′s, so in 2004 he’s about 40 years old which sounds accurate. We dont’ know exactly how old he was when he arrived on the island, but it seemed to be before he hit puberty, so, he was 10-12 yrs old. Doing the math indicates he arrived at the island in the early to mid 70′s. Also, if TPTB decide to use the same actor to portray young Ben, that kid will have aged a couple years, so the storyline will have to indicate that Ben has been on the island for a couple years.
Comment 240, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Has there been any talk about the Audrey Niffenegger book, “The Time Travelers Wife”? Could someone direct me to the thread if it has? I read this book a few years ago and can’t get the similarities out of my head about time travel and “causual loops or paradoxes”. Much appreciated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Traveler%27s_Wife
Comment 241, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
Probably right all around. Bens timeline messes me up a bit… I thought he was 18 when the purge happened, and for a long time I thought the purge happened in the seventies… but I know it happened in 1992, and I guess Ben wasn’t 18?
Also, now that I think about it Charlottes age would seem to be about accurate at 33… but I could still see her having a false profile, designed to keep her Island past a secret… tho Ben could easily know that too… so
Still see Daniel gettin at that wheel tho
Comment 242, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
…forgot to seperate my comments again!!! 241…
BTW the more I think about Horace its giving me some chills… Remember how Ben pays special attention to close his eyes after the purge? is that somehow connected to burying the bodies… and is burying/not burying bodies the reason for the mass open grave? and Lost Addict, I think you are onto something with him and Amy being a time alteration… does this mean Bens history has changed? Maybe this is how he gets back to the island…
Comment 243, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LostJunkie wrote:
We did see Miles, in a van with Sawyer, in 1977.
LostJunkie wrote:
I disagree – I don’t think Faraday’s theory is incorrect, and I don’t think they changed the past.
LostJunkie wrote:
Yes, I believe the way you’re describing things in these sentences is what happened. As Daniel said AGAIN in this episode, “Whatever happened, happened”
LostJunkie wrote:
Now I’m back to disagreeing with you. If the Losties were to get back to “real time”, they would end up in 2007/2008. For the Sawyer, Jack, etc that we’re seeing in 1977, the crash of OA815 is in their past. It’s in the island’s future, but in their past. The Sawyer, Jack, etc that we’re seeing in 1977 are not destined to board OA815 on Sept 22, 2004, because they’ve already done so.
Comment 244, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LostJunkie wrote:
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My wife threw that one at me this morning…was Juliette changing the past? Was Amy and ‘new boy’ supposed to die? Is there a person being alive that wasn’t supposed to (the baby) going to change the future?
Comment 245, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
So to me, only the Losties will leave the island by the turning of the FDW in order to get back to their present day. Charlotte will leave by submarine. She certainly will not turn the wheel as a little girl, winding up in the middle of the desert with only her wits to survive. Who would turn it? Widmore is my guess, as he is tricked by a young Ben (that’s why he refers to him as a boy). How does Ben know that the wheel must be turned? Maybe Daniel tells him?
Halliwax, I love,love, love the info you provided. Thanks for the clarification.
I agree that the conversation with Sawyer sparks Alpert to seek out Locke as a teen. Lostpedia is probably off with their dates, as remember last time Alpert saw Locke, he leaves in a huff. Sawyer then changes his mind because he brings up Locke yet again. This re-energizes Alpert.
Maybe the dust around the cabin is remnants of the statue? SRTR4K.
It seemed to me from the earlier scene with Daniel, that he may be the one that puts into motion the idea of freezing the donkey wheel.
Perhaps Olivia is killed in one of the incidents or battles between the hostiles and Dharma.
I was thinking all along that when Alpert visits Ben as a child, it is from a time jump and not necessarily from not aging, but I’m not so sure anymore, as I don’t think it would be solely Alpert that is not aging, he’s the only one we’ve seen, but wouldn’t it also include his whole group?
I am also thinking the comment by the psychiatrist, “you look just like her” actually refers to Juliette.
Comment 246, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
confused wrote:
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I think it’s possible…it was just a talking point to mull over.
Comment 247, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Halliwax wrote:
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I like that one too….I def. think the statue, Jacob and the whisperers are the gist of it, somehow.
Comment 248, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
My wife threw out this one too.
Wife: “So Alpert is dead.”
Me: “Ummm, what?”
Wife: “He walked threw the fence, doesn’t that mean he’s dead?”
Thoughts?
Comment 249, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
There’s also the dog painting in Jacob’s cabin.
Comment 250, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
RGS wrote:
Except, that comment was made TO Juliet.
Comment 251, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
insomniac wrote:
Are you in the business? An actor? Writer?
Comment 252, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
I think he can’t save her and it is futile. For dramatic effect, they had him repeat his theory “Whatever happened, happened”, and they had him try to convince himself that he won’t tell her. They’ll eventually show him somehow telling her, probably followed by his realization that despite his intentions, he did tell her. It will be a very sad tearjerker of a scene.
Comment 253, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
looks like the Anubis statue is carrying two ankh’s one in each hand.
Comment 254, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
Yes it was.
Comment 255, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
haven’t seen this posted yet… anyone think the statue is gone because it crumbled in the “earthquake”?
Comment 256, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
The Ankh is defined as: The symbolic representation of both Physical and Eternal life. It is known as the original cross, which is a powerful symbol that was first created by Africans in Ancient Egypt.
The Ankh is commonly known to mean life in the language of Ancient Kemet (land of the Blacks) renamed Egypt by the Greeks. It is also a symbol for the power to give and sustain life, the Ankh is typically associated with material things such as water (which was believed by Egyptians to regenerate life), air, sun, as well as with the Gods, who are frequently pictured carrying an Ankh. The Egyptian king is often associated with the Ankh also, either in possession of an Ankh (providing life to his people) or being given an Ankh (or stream of Ankhs) by the Gods. This can be seen in the picture of King Senworsert below who is holding two Ankhs to his chest. There are numerous examples that have been found that were made from metal, clay and wood. It is usually worn as an amulet to extent the life of living and placed on the mummy to energize the resurrected spirit. The Gods and the Kings are often shown carrying the Ankh to distinguish them from mere mortals. The Ankh symbolized eternal life and bestowed immortality on anyone who possessed it. It is believed that life energy emanating from the Ankh can be absorbed by anyone within a certain proximity. An Ankh serves as an antenna or conduit for the divine power of life that permeates the universe. The amulet is a powerful talisman that provides the wearer with protection from the evil forces of decay and degeneration.
The loop of the Ankh is held by the Gods. It is associated with Aset (Isis) and Asar (Osiris) in the Early Dynastic Period. The Loop of the Ankh also represent the feminine discipline or the (Womb), while the elongated section represent the masculine discipline or the (Penis). These two sacred units then come together and form life. Because of its powerful appeal, the Ankh was used in various religious and cultural rituals involving royalty. In the Treasures of Tutankhumun, the Ankh was a major artifact found in the tomb. The circle symbolizes eternal life and the cross below it represents the material plane. The Ankh is called the “Crux Ansata,” it is of Egyptian origin and can be traced to the Early Dynastic Period, appearing frequently in artwork of various material and in relief, depicting the Gods.
It is usually held to the nose of the deceased king by the Gods to represent the breath of life given in the after-world. The Ankh also resembles a key and is considered the key to eternal life after death. Its influence was felt in every dynastic period and survives as an icon possessing mystical power throughout the Coptic Christian era. The Ankh possessed by each God had power associated with that God. The Ankh of the God Anubis (shown in the picture to the right) is related to the protection of the dead, that of Sekhmet, War, Hapi related to the living waters of the Nile and Amen, the spirit God, the breath of life.
Comment 257, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
the Ankh website:
http://africawithin.com/studies/ankh.htm
Comment 258, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Now I want to think that Locke is the person that gets Alpert to “invest” in Ben, perhaps accidentally.
Locke would mention something about Widmore helping him to return to the island, which in turn convinces Alpert that Widmore must get off the island, in order to help Locke get back.
Comment 259, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
the ankh didn’t do Paul much good, or did it???
Comment 260, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I will be truly ticked if Kate ruins things for Sawyer & Juliet. Enough mind games already, Freckles.
Comment 261, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
After being on the phone until 3 in the morning and looking up every god or goddess I could find I have another thought on the statue. SOmeone said how do we know this statue has 4 toes which also brings up, how do we know it’s the only statue? There may be MORE of these statues, not so likely, but if we go with Sekhmet then another statue can stand somewhere whom is said to have been her twin or sister, Bst. Together,they represent the balance of Good and Evil.
….Another aspect of Bast is her twin sister, Sekhmet. Sekhmet is also a goddess, depicted as a woman with the head of a lioness. She represents the negative, darker side of the goddess. As the lioness goddess, Sekhmet symbolizes the destructive forces in Nature and in human nature, while Bast is everything pure and good and life-giving. Together, the sister goddesses make up a whole – the balance of good and evil.(quoted)
In many of their statues they can be similar to the statue. (What they are holding, crown on head, little ears.)
I said Astarte ONLY because of ancient Carthage, me thinking this statue was not built there but got their thru a vortex.
Also, about this statue, I am not completely sure about looking far too much into. (COming to the girl who was researching all night.) Writers have a kind of shocking…WTF? thing going on. They can’t be building this up so we say, oh it’s anubis or Bastet, or Horus, or anyone that many are spending time looking into. I have a pretty good feeling that when we see that statue we are going to say WTF? Gotta be someone we have seen already.
I wish I could just let this go. What a TEASE!! I want to KNOW!!!! Now they are stuck in the 70s. My biggest fear is we will NEVER know!!
Comment 262, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Ummm sorry about above post, I don’t think my English is usually that bad! Hope ya’ll understand it.lol
Comment 263, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
wally p wrote:
That was a stick of dynamite, which he then threw at, and blew up, a tree.
: ) P
Comment 264, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
RGS wrote:
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So are you saying that in 2003 or whenever, the psychiatrist tells Juliet that she (Juliet) reminds Ben of the time-travelling Juliet that Ben may remember from the 1970′s when he was a kid? Interesting possibility, but I still think the psychiatrist was referring to his mother.
Comment 265, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Brilliant episode really restored my faith after two disapointing episodes, they were good but not as much as i hoped, really intriguied to where the show is going to go, we have aseason and a half left what is the story going to be, great writing and tying loose ends, we can assume that somehow John Locke will get back to 1974 or at least back in time becuase patchy earlier in season 3 says he could remember a John Locke, the whole Miles has to be Candle’s kid is less likely now for we now know how has been on the island before, he had he just didnt know it when Danile asked him earlier in the season, what happened, happened, Charlotte was born and came back she met Daniel when she was little when he was working for Dharma which is only just occuring now for the viewers, also we got to believe again now that all of the oceanic survivors will somehow get off the island or die otherwise they would have met their future selves that went to the past when they first arrived on the isalnd, what a show.
Comment 266, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
Yes! I was going to post the same thing! I totally agree. Also…
I’m not sure if anyone else has posted on this, however..general renderings/depictions of the god Anubis, usually have him holding a cross – called an Ankh. Agreed.
Comment 267, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Which, I forgot to continue writing in my last post, was the same style of cross that Paul’s wife took from around his neck..
Comment 268, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
mcotter wrote:
Great point about patchy knowing a John Locke – I had forgotten about that.
Regarding the future fate of the survivors, I hope you’re right because if they don’t get off the island, they’ll die in the purge.
Comment 269, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I think we need to go back farther than Egypt to get to the origins of the island.
I propose than the island is none other than the LOST island of ATLANTIS. Atlantean culture supposedly influenced many ancient cultures. So Atlantis didn’t sink–it’s lost because we can’t find it because it keeps moving around in space and time.
Comment 270, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
wandering now how many of the others would have know about the losties when they got to the island, the possibilties are endless now because the writers have summed this up to a tee so far absolutley perfect, one of our losties is going to be Jacob starting to think that it will Locke, two of our Losties will be adam and eve starting to think maybe it will be Rose and Bernard, that s why we won t see them for a while or have seen them for a while think they might wrap up their story on the island because we know their is no way that they will leave, i think there will be a game changer that everything so far was under false pretenses, the whole O6 thing ended too quickly why bother sended them back only to bring them back to the island in the space of lets face it 10 episodes of non flashforward material, i think it is very possible that they may all yet get off the island apart from a few who will die and the lostie that is Jacob (could be Jack, who has the closed name to Jacob?)
Comment 271, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
RGS wrote:
Yep, but I was suggesting it as a relatively strong, alternate theory. Harper, probably does refer to his mother, except that we’ve seen his mother when her “apparition” visits him, and to me they did not look alike, though there was a portrait that did resemble Juliette.
Reason why I suggested it is because if Ben develops a crush on her for whatever reason, bringing her back to the island would strenghten his belief that she was ‘his.’ Harper seems at least 5 years younger than Ben, if not more, so her memory would be more fuzzy than Ben’s.
I don’t remember the exact comment Harper made, but if she said, “Ben says you remind him of her,” Ben could easily be lying. If she just matter-of-factly made the statement to Juliette, I don’t see a particularly huge leap in the theory because her memory of Juliette would be hazy in comparison.
Comment 272, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i spent too much time lastnight sweating horace’s connections with olivia and amy.
then i realized: we have NO PROOF that horace and olivia were married. just because LOSTpedia, a fan-created site, says her last name is goodspeed is NOT enough proof for me.
1. we saw her in the car with horace on the day of ben’s birth.
2. she was ben’s teacher.
none of this necessarily means that she was ever married to horace…unless i’ve missed something somewhere.
if they HAD been married, then he would’ve had the “is 3 years really enough time” conversation BEFORE MARRYING AMY.
i do wonder if there’s a tweenaged ben running around.
and it seems the new baby boy would have to be someone daniel’s age [approx.]…other than daniel, i don’t really have any ideas. my friends guessed ethan, but i think he might be a little too old. it’s someone 3 years younger than charlotte.
part of me wonders if it’s chang’s baby we heard crying in the video…they never SHOWED the baby, so we don’t know that it’s biologically theirs. i wouldn’t put it past amy to freak out and do something that would wind up putting the baby in someone else’s custody.
Comment 273, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
mcotter wrote:
I disagree that we can dismiss the Miles/Candle connection. What was the order of the nose bleeds? Was Miles 2nd? If you are suggesting that the flash which puts Miles & the Losties back to the 70′s shows that Miles had been on the island b4 and did not know it, then that would mean all of the Losties (flashing) had been on the island before and did not know it. So because they all flashed together, they should have (in theory) simultaneously began getting nose bleeds.
Charlotte was the first to get the nose bleeds, and she had been on the island for a longer time, which seemed to be the lint that drove the nose bleeds.
Comment 274, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
NikkiV wrote:
Um, NikkiV? The ankh has been posted about more than a dozen times. Anubis, more than fifteen times. Add in Osiris and Sekhmet and it is up in the twenties.
I know it is hard to read through ALL the posts, but for anyone out there who doesn’t feel like reading everything, you can do CTRL-F with a keyword and read JUST the posts which discuss that keyword. Makes it nice and easy! *G*
: ) P
Comment 275, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I disagree that we can dismiss the Miles/Candle connection. What was the order of the nose bleeds? Was Miles 2nd? If you are suggesting that the flash which puts Miles & the Losties back to the 70′s shows that Miles had been on the island b4 and did not know it, then that would mean all of the Losties (flashing) had been on the island before and did not know it. So because they all flashed together, they should have (in theory) simultaneously began getting nose bleeds.
Charlotte was the first to get the nose bleeds, and she had been on the island for a longer time, which seemed to be the lint that drove the nose bleeds.
Not saying that he definitley isn’t Candle’s kid just saying that doesnt necesarily have to be the case it is highly co incidental that Miles has now been on the island three times in his life and yes through this new dharma revelation and now that Jack and Kate and Hurley are back in the 70s, when the plane crashed it was the second time the losties have been on the island daniel said time is a string and events cannot be changed whatever happened happened
Comment 276, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
The statue is the Goddess Tawaret,whose domain was the protection of pregnant women, especially during childbirth. Check this out: http://www.prestonandsteve.com/picview.php?id=14194
Comment 277, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
am i the only one that wanted to hear a paul anka song after the ankh was taken off paul’s neck?
;-)
Comment 278, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Though I am not totally convinced either way on who Miles is, I lean toward him being Candle’s kid. Mostly because since they haven’t redshirted him yet, he has a place in this story, likely more significant than just the guy that hears dead people that HAPPENED to get recruited to go to the island. IMO.
Comment 279, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Juliet certainly does get around. She was an other, a lostie, and now part of the DI. The only character to do all three, correct?
Also, I find it interesting how much Sawyer has changed since he came to the island. First a rogue who blackmailed people and hoarded basic needs, like medicine. Now much more heroic, leader, a shepherd. (Like Jack, but not as whiny.)
Comment 280, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Mike McG wrote:
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Very convincing. Not totally sold yet that they ‘always’ had a pregnancy problem though. Right now, I still convinced that Ben’s issues brought that to the island…well after the statue was built.
Comment 281, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
That makes me think that they have to time jump again because it was definitely TO Juliet and I think it must be ABOUT Juliet.
Statue – My husband said, without hesitation, when I freeze framed the statue, “It’s Juliet”. For one thing, check out that booty.
Juliet and Sawywer seemed pleasant together but probably more of love born out of necessity/proximity than anything else. I don’t like him with Kate, but I’m afraid it will come back to that. I agree with what someone said earlier about it looking like she might be pregnant in that kitchen scene, but kind of unlikely with her crawling around under cars and such. Looks like the babies/kids may come back into play after all.
Finally, I’m digging all the Egypt stuff and poor Richard must be confused as hell by this time!
Comment 282, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
flgrl wrote:
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I don’t know…3 years into it, he’s still ‘buying’ her flowers and she is still smitten by it. Still running her ‘man hands’ through his hair…Hollywood love. :)
Comment 283, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
The statue – Man, I wish we’d have gotten just a few more seconds to look at it! It did look Egyptian, with jives with Alpert’s heritage and all the hieroglyphics around the island. When I read the Isis and Osiris references above – the first thing I thought of was the Wizard of Oz. Professor Marvel mentions them. Along with all of the other Oz references throughout the shows history, I found that to be interesting.
Also with the statue, we know that in the future most of it is gone – so what happened. Miles mentioned feeling an earthquake with the last flash they had. We also know that there is a volcano on the island (as the Dharma teacher taught about). Is this active? Could and eruption have caused it to take a tumble?
I think Juliet and Sawyers meddling with the affairs of Amy and Paul have somewhat changed the course of the 70s happenings. Maybe Amy gives birth to the baby that was to be had by Olivia. I thought for sure it was going to be Charlotte, but was clearly mistaken. I’d love for it to be somebody we’ve already met – a lostie or an other like Charlie, Desmond, Goodwin, Ethan, etc. I don’t believe we know about their parents.
Bodies – What gives with the importance of burying bodies. We know that the purge victims weren’t buried. We know that Amy insisted that the others be buried. We know that Keamy insisted that Carl and Rousseau be buried. And we know that Charlotte disappeared when she was dead above ground. But what conclusion can we draw from that???
The Sawyer/Alpert conversation – so the Jughead scene has already taken place, eh? So Widmore either was or still is on the island because he and Ellie were there for the Jughead camp scenes. Is he currently the leader of the others? And what are the implications of this odd truce? Clearly the sonic fence is only for the smoke monster if Alpert can walk right through it!
We see the good ‘ol sub. Poor Juliet has been scheduled to vacate the island twice on this thing! Does it not return after the 2-week stint on the main land, or does everyone get cozy on the island?
Timeline – I’m confused with where Ben is, how old he is, how old Charlotte is, etc. Anyone else nervous that gas bombs were going to come flying into the barracks when the alarms were sounding. I LOVED the comment about them roughing up Ben from above. That was hilarious! I’m sure they’ve all figured out by now that Ben was NOT born on the island. Do they all know of the purge? I can’t recall who was privy to that information.
Lastly, it was nice to see Sawyer and Juliet happy – but I don’t like them together. I’d like to see a switcheroo of Jack and Juliet and Sawyer and Kate – but I feel that it will be much, much more complicated than that!
Seriously last thing – the dynamite that Horrace had – didn’t it look like it was from the Black Rock – and he told Sawyer that he wasn’t familiar with the Black Rock….
Thanks for all the great comments – I enjoy reading all your thoughts!
PS – Something interesting from Wikipedia: Being simultaneously alive and dead, Osiris became the god and king of the afterlife. As a life-death-rebirth deity, Horus/Osiris became a reflection of people’s desires for a successful afterlife. The legend’s ventures into both life and afterlife meant that religious rites associated with the legend eventually began to take on aspects of a mystery religion, where initiates were said to be able to partake in Horus/Osiris’ resurrection, purging themselves of past ills, and entering a new life.
Comment 284, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Amy walked throught the fence also with what seem to be earplugs in.
Comment 285, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Missy wrote:
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No conclusion for me yet….but interesting that the Others sent one of their dead floating out to sea instead of burying them on the island…eh?
Comment 286, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
someone please comment on my 272…re olivia and amy’s baby.
also…horace built jacob’s cabin [for himself/horace’s self and “the missus”…pre-purge.
i’m wondering where jacob stayed before that.
or if jacob was simply being held captive there and that’s why he said “help me.”?
i feel like jacob is a really old character like alpert, but with all the time-jumping, it certainly seems possible he could be someone “newer”.
Comment 287, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Vaughn K wrote:
The statue flash back , in my opinion, took place thousands of years in the past- thus the statue cold very easily have disappeared- like the collosus of Rhodos. Since the island moves, if the statue fell over in the water, it could be anywhere.
I’ll go with the theory that the statue had an egyptian/ or even pre-egyptian influence, and/ or is related to a LOST civilization.
Comment 288, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
I think that Horace may have built a Cabin or more likely was planning to before he died, but not Jacobs cabin, the cabin is similar to Jacob it is not physical it moves and changes and only appears to particular people at particular times. Horace doesn’t really have a relationship to Jacob, he was dead when he mentioned the cabin, all characters when they die seem to have a far more deepened and mysterious knowledge of the island than when they were alive and they always seem to help alive people to get to where they need to be, i don’t think we really need to take Horace building the Cabin any further than a vision that the island gave Locke so he could find the Cabin and speak to Christian.
Comment 289, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
based on the blueprints for it AND locke’s vision, i’m positive the cabin he was building is the one we later see jacob in.
my only question is where was jacob staying before that?
Comment 290, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
We don’t really know that Olivia was his wife, for all we know she could be his sister.
As far as Ben is concerned, we know he was born sometime in the early 60′s. During last night’s episode (74-77) he would have been anywhere from 10-17 years old. Chances are that he is on the island already, or that he is about to arrive.
Comment 291, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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I think you’re right about Olivia – we don’t know if she was ever married to Horace.
As for the baby, we did see Dr. Chang’s baby and I thought he/she was Asian. I don’t know if it’s the same baby you hear on the video. I can’t get the episode player to work on my computer so I can’t double-check….
Comment 292, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i saw some1 mention the possibility of the statue beign juliette because the back of the statue looked similar to juliette and i agree it does….but what has me thinkin is one person posted they think its the goddess tawaret because her main domain is childbirth protection or what not…… that statue may very well be juliette but that would mean she herself would have to be just as old or if not as old as richard….. maybe juliette gets flashed back to the time before the statue was built? who knows?
Comment 293, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
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Obviously it fell over….it only had four toes !……was it the big toe or little toe that was missing?
Comment 294, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Kate needs to leave Sawyer alone!! It was so nice seeing him and Juliette happy, and I for one have always defended her/ not believed that she is not to be trusted or bad. Now whiny Kate shows up and just because she messed up things with Jack, she can’t just have Sawyer back. She made her pick- too back it did not work out. This is not “the bachelor(ette)”. LOL Sawyer gave his final “fleur” to Juliette.
Comment 295, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
There seems to be alot more to TAWARET. We should look into this. In the Book of the Dead Taweret, the ‘Lady of Magical Protection’, was seen as a goddess who guided the dead into the afterlife. Read this…there was alot more to her……http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/taweret.htm
It has to be her!!! They dont show the front cause it would be too obvious!
Comment 296, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/lafleur#comment-318577
Comment 297, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
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Comment 293, posted 12 minutes ago – Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
Hammer wrote:
Did a freeze from on the dvr…appears to have ears like a dog….more dog references?
Vaughn K wrote:
also the four toed statue was huge so there is no way that it just fell over and even if it did, it wouldnt just disappear, it wouldnt ever just deteriorate so i think someone took it down…but who put it up?
The statue flash back , in my opinion, took place thousands of years in the past- thus the statue cold very easily have disappeared- like the collosus of Rhodos. Since the island moves, if the statue fell over in the water, it could be anywhere.
I’ll go with the theory that the statue had an egyptian/ or even pre-egyptian influence, and/ or is related to a LOST civilization.
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Obviously it fell over….it only had four toes !……was it the big toe or little toe that was missing?
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Naw….. the statue actually on has 4 toes so whatever they modeled the statue after only had 4 toes
Comment 298, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/taweret.htm
Comment 299, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
FWIW, LOSTpedia has already changed Olivia’s relationship with Horace to “unknown.” Also, Samantha Mathis is credited as “Olivia the teacher” in IMDB.
: ) P
Comment 300, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LostGrrl wrote:
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I think your giving sawyer to much credit. He still living a lie and putting his con-man charm to work. Same ole’ same ole’
just wait until his feelings for Kate come up again. Can you say Dh-rama?
Comment 301, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I’ve read pretty much every comment but am still confused on the whisperers. Can someone please point me in the direction of that comment?
Comment 302, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
patchy is??
Comment 303, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I was pleasantly surprised that Sawyer and Juliet are together! I actually like them together. Recall he wanted to “play house” with Kate on the island and he didn’t want to leave the island because he had nothing to go back to. He seems like he is finally happy…..When the losties come back it will spoil his little world….
Also, did anyone think Sawyer in the 70s looked a little like Kid Rock???? Although Sawyer is waaaaaaaaaaaay hotter! Love his dimples….
One last thing, is anyone as annoyed with the previews for that new show Castle – it’s like enough already!!!!
Comment 304, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Amy walked throught the fence also with what seem to be earplugs in.
Yeah – what’s with that? If Amy knows about it, chances are an enemy would figure it out, and there goes your fancy security system.
Comment 305, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
Totally agreed!
Comment 306, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Mia—I totally thought Sawyer looked like a hot version of Kid Rock then felt guilty for even putting them in the same category since Kid Rock is just not hot! LOL!
Comment 307, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Becky – I hear ya! Too funny!
Comment 308, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I don’t think so. Guyliner said to Goodspeed, “That fence may keep other things out, but not us”.
It seems as though all of Guyliner’s people have the ability to either, walk through the fence, or, use some kind of underground tunnel.
Comment 309, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
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I think the statue is definitely depicting a protector god/goddess-type figure. However, I don’t think it’s going to be an actual god or goddess from any real mythology. It’s definitely egyptian-like but it will, more than likely be a fictitious ancient civilization. Are there any 4-toed gods/goddesses?
Comment 310, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Anybody think that baby could be desmond? we don’t know about desmonds childhood (if we did pleez correct me) and hawking said originally it was his destiny to go back to that island….also, faraday mentioned in “the constant” that desmond had to be exposed to high levels of radiation (the swan implosion) to have such an affect. maybe desmond was born on the island then moved to scotland before he knew anything about the island similar to charlotte. we’re looking for a character for that baby to be so i just gave us one
Comment 311, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sorry if it’s already been asked but i’m at work and don’t have time to read thru all responses. here’s my ?-if according to daniel “what happened, happened” then did juliet really deliver that chick’s baby back in the 70′s-what I mean is i thought they couldn’t “interfere”-i’m confused- so in that woman’s memory juliette delivered her baby, but in the 70′s juliette would have really been in grade school…
Comment 312, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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I think it is Ethan as well. I was trying to think of a dharma/hostile that would be about mid 30′s and he was the only one i could think if of off the top of my head. If Juliet interfered with the way things were by helping to deliver him than the island would find a way to course correct and it did when Charlie killed him.
Comment 313, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I am wondering whether Sawyer and Juliet somehow did change history when they killed the two islanders and saved Amy. I assume that without their intervention, Amy would have died, would have never married Horace, and this new baby, identity unknown, would not have been born.
If Olivia was Horace’s wife, is it possible that this intervention somehow prevented him from getting with Olivia, and created a new timeline? We know that certain characters have failed in attempting to change the past, but maybe this is not an absolute on the show?
If this is true, could this affect Ben somehow? If he came to the island between 74 and 77, now maybe he didn’t?
It would be interesting to know Ben’s timeline better. Did he come before 74, after 77, or between 74 and 77?
Miraks wrote:
Comment 314, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
not only does richard not age, but apparently he doesnt have to wash his clothes becuase hes always wearing the same clothes while on the island, those blue pants and blue collared shirt, we’ve seen him wearing it in the 50′s 70′s and 00′s
Comment 315, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I am new to the blog and have read all 300 comments….someone commented on Richard wearing nice clothes–comment 149.
But when you see the “hostiles” hold Amy and Paul up at gunpoint they were wearing their “dirty” clothes.
Could the “Richard” we saw last night been him from another time, a time before the crash in 04, but from the future point of 1974? We saw him come to the aid of John, in a previous episode this season, as if he “sent himself” there to heal and talk to him.
thoughts?
Comment 316, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lola wrote:
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Time travel concepts are always confusing. But, I think what we have to accept is that, the stuff we’re seeing now has already happened. The things they’re doing aren’t changing anything because they already happened that way before (we, the audience, just didn’t know it).
When Daniel says “I’m not going to do it” he is thinking he can change the future by not telling Charlotte she’s going to die. Chances are, he will still tell her. Not because he knows he already did but because of his passion for Charlotte.
The only one I’m not sure about w/the whole time travel thing is Desmond. Daniel said the rules don’t apply to Desmond (maybe because of the hatch explosion).
Comment 317, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
I don’t think Richard was ever the leader – I think he’s a guide for the leader (he seems to know more than Widmore in 1954 and Ben in 2004 and Locke in 2005).
Comment 318, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I don’t think Richard was ever the leader – I think he’s a guide for the leader (he seems to know more than Widmore in 1954 and Ben in 2004 and Locke in 2005).
Comment 319, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
***** THIS TAKEN FROM DOCARTZ LOST BLOG*******
Remember last episode when Hurley was painting an Egyptian scene? In the season 4 premiere Hurley was seen painting Eskimos, which naturally put forth the idea that Hurley was somehow psychically aware of how Penny had found the island. Has Hurley demonstrated his psychic painting skills – ala Isaac Mendez – yet again? Could be. We got our first full body look at the four-toed-statue, and he certainly looks like he could have been featured in Hurley’s water color.
There is little doubt amongst the LOST sleuthing community that old-four-toes is in fact Anubis, the Greek name for the Egyptian god of the dead. Anubis acts as escort for the dearly departed on their way to the afterlife. Those of you still clinging to the purgatory theory should love that.
To add a little heavy handed punctuation to the matter, LOST’s evil Easter egg planters gave Amy an Ankh to hang onto. Ankhs are the symbol for eternal life in the Egyptian symbol language – and Mr. Anubis is grasping two very large ones.
Now as to the over-all significance of this: if this is indeed Mr. Anubis, is the island a chunk of Egypt that was somehow dislodged and set adrift? Probably not. Mr. Anubis, given the nature of our special island, is set strategically over-looking the water as if he is the island’s greeter announcing loudly and proudly “Welcome, we have plenty of eternal life for everyone.” It seems to me that the construction of this monument was part of a colonization effort of an epic scale.
Comment 320, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Maybe the Godspeed baby is Thomas? He is Aaron’s father, his painting was in Widmore’s office and in Widmore’s apartment. He would be about the right age. Also being Aaron’s father should make him more important? Maybe?
Comment 321, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
we don’t know what olivia’s relationship to horace is-could be his sister-it’s never been said they were married
Comment 322, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
obviously i said screw it and am reading all comments now
Comment 323, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
it was never said that olivia was his wife, they share the same last name-perhaps his sister?
Comment 324, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I think Juliet and Sawyer should make a race of super-babies together. His physical genes and her mental genes — great combo!
Comment 325, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LostGrrl wrote:
Amy walked throught the fence also with what seem to be earplugs in.
Yeah – what’s with that? If Amy knows about it, chances are an enemy would figure it out, and there goes your fancy security system.
It might be that she ADJUSTED the security system to “stun” rather than “kill” and put the earplugs in at that time.
: ) P
Comment 326, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lola wrote:
I am not sure that on the show, her last name was even mentioned. It may be that LOSTpedia made the jump.
Can anyone confirm that Olivia was ever CALLED Goodspeed on the show?
: ) P
Comment 327, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
it was also never said that oliva’s last name was goodspeed; LOSTpedia isn’t FACT. it’s fans’ conclusions.
ben came to the island, i’m guessing, EARLY 70s. dharma was founded in 1970, and the fact that they still needed workers [roger] makes me think that they got to the island early on. plus, it being a few years later, now is the perfect time for young ben to make an appearance since the actor will have aged a few years.
miraks, i like the thomas idea. there aren’t many other men i can think of that are close to/younger than charlotte’s age.
Comment 328, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
JLV wrote:
i do
Comment 329, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Another Egypt connection (that may have been mentioned, I’m not reading through all of the stuff about who the statue is, there’s no way to know for sure) – the eyeliner on Richard. Very Egyptian.
Comment 330, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LINS wrote:
i think you are onto something here meaning the time loop
Comment 331, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I saw last night’s episode (LaFleur). Some questions: what happened to the other survivors such as Bernard and Rose? Are they living in the Dharma initiative with Sawyer and co.? Also, if Sawyer and co. have been living with the Dharma Initiative for approx three years, wouldn’t they have encountered Ben who lived there with his father and eventually murdered members of the DI? Maybe this will be handled in another episode?
Comment 332, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
I agree with you…I like Juliet more than Kate!!!
Comment 333, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
wow some of yall have studied so much about this show, i cant believe all that i dont notice,haha, im enjoying reading all of this! i have a question though… what ever happened to rose and bernard? Are they flashing too, but we just dont know where they are?
Comment 334, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I’ve read most of the posts and I’m surprised that no one brought up the connection of Horace “blowing up trees”, and the fact that that is exactly what the smoke monster does? Does anyone have any thoughts on that?
Comment 335, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I dont think its the TAWARET…only because when i first wikipedia’d it..the first picture they show of the statue it has 5 toes…so…i doubt it…. its probly would not be that obscure as well…im leanin toward Anubis..I just dont like how there is no staff with an ank or pointed dog ears….maybe that would be too obvious…the statue does look feminine with its weight tilted to one side and poppin a hip…but..if its a statue of Julliette…ill be pissed
Comment 336, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
confused wrote:
sorry i worded that wrong “were” they flashing with sawyer and his group… but just on another part of the island?
Comment 337, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lola/lins:
i think that long-haired richard was just before ’74. that’s based on my theory, stated earlier, that ben got to the island in the EARLY 70s.
i like the loop theory, but i have a feeling that the flashback we saw with faraday in the orchid with the mining get-up is actually a forthcoming flash-forward.
we know from the comic con video that chang is about to be visited by folks who tell him bush is president and that the purge will happen. and since many of us assume that it’s daniel’s voice filming the video, that scratches him from the possibility of being the baby boy.
Comment 338, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Geez….Here I was thinking I missed something since I haven’t been on for an hour.
Comment 339, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Fara-dayo wrote:
Good catch. Could be significant.
: ) P
Comment 340, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
confused wrote:
I believe they must be flashing in time and living in the caves. Hasn’t been confirmed though. Probably Vincent is with them.
Comment 341, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
As far as Amy wanting to bury the bodies, in that particular instance it was to prevent Richard Alpert’s people from finding them, nothing too special in my opinion.
Also I agree that Richard needed the body to show that they got the person who killed their men.
I also agree that the statue is thousands of years old and is not purposefully an image of one of our Losties, but I guess I could accept that fact if it turned out to be true (though I strongly feel it is supposed to be one of the Egyptian gods…especially because of the animal ears).
Comment 342, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Several people have asked about Bernard and Rose (and Vincent). If you are looking for ACTUAL answers, the viewers have not been SHOWN those answers.
If you are looking for THEORIES, then I agree that they have been flashing along with the RLOSTies and we will see them integrated into the 70′s with Sawyer et al. They will be the “rest of the crew” that Sawyer told Horace about.
In a recent podcast, D&C confirmed that R&B are indeed alive. I believe that their characters, while not necessarily crucial, are significant enough to warrant a death scene should it come to that.
: ) P
Comment 343, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
okay thanks, thats what i was thinking!
Comment 344, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i need answers wrote:
Yes! This is driving me nuts too! It doesn’t seem possible that John was off the island for close to three years…he even seemed surprised when he learned that the Oceanic 6 had been back for three years. Could it have something to do with turning the wheel? When he reappeared in Tunisian, could close to three years have passed in the transition? Also, why was he able to walk at all (limp) once off the island? Wouldn’t he revert to needing a wheelchair full time? I hope the producers don’t screw us over by leaving all these mysteries!!
Comment 345, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
theories on what happened to ben?
i mean, i figured that sayid beat the mess out of him and thats why his face is so medded up… but i feel like i know nothing compared to yall.haha
Comment 346, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
question:
if juliet delivered the baby in our new time line [and wasn't there to do so in the original 1977], does that mean that the baby would’ve died [and likely won't be someone we've already met]?
Comment 347, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
RGS wrote:
yeah when alpert meets ben in the woods (timewise AFTER where we are in last night’s episode)he’s dressed in shaggy, torn clothing but whe he “meets” saywer he’s clean cut in modern clothes…
Comment 348, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
do we know for sure what happened to ben?
why his face is so scratched up?
i figured sayid did it to him, but whats yalls thoughts?
Comment 349, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i’m leaning more and more towards the baby being thomas, aaron’s dad….thanks to whomever mentioned it on here!
i feel that way because richard’s peeps wanted amy; they had the bag on her head and were gonna take her. they didn’t care about paul.
while this was 3 years before the baby’s birth, i think they knew there was something special about her.
Comment 350, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Ben took Alex a week after she was born in 1988 or early 1989 depending on what time of year ROus landed on the island. The purge did not occur until 1992 based on Horace’s statement of being dead for 12 years to Locke last year in Cabin Fever, I believe. So, who cared for her from 1988 until 1992? Ben couldn’t have showed up to his dad’s house with a baby. Did the hostiles/others care for her during this time? Maybe not the appropriate place for this questions but I was just lying awake last night trying to figure out the timeline and make the story make sense in my mind. Any insight would be appreciated.
Comment 351, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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I got the impression they were about to kill her. Where is the Thomas thing coming from? I really do not believe he is relevent to anything going on anymore. We don’t even know if he is really the father. Maybe Claire is like the Virgin Mary. Not likely, but I think Thomas’s story is done.
Comment 352, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Well I can’t take credit for this but my lil friend thinks that the Polar Bear that winds up in Tunisia will be the cause of the turning of the wheel so that the Losties return to the present.
Maybe it will be a scene where Ben tricks Widmore into a cave and Widmore suddenly finds himself being chase by the bear, who has no choice but to turn the wheel, and then the bear, not to be outdone, turns the wheel to try to catch him but is foiled because he flashes to a different time (just kidding).
Comment 353, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
K.C. wrote:
AWESOME!!!
Comment 354, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
Possible, but we really don’t know. Just because the doc on duty was an internist doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a doctor that COULD have performed a C-section if necessary. Sawyer didn’t wait around to ask, he just said Juliet would do it.
: ) P
Comment 355, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
duke wrote:
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You know your addicted when you lie awake at night wondering WHY! I am guessing the Others took care of her. That’s been on my mind too.
Comment 356, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lola wrote:
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I somewhat agree and have always thought this is going to be something like that. I was thinking more toward the lost continent of Mu. Who knows….
Comment 357, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
duke wrote:
Ben was still pretending to be with DHARMA before the purge, so I think you are right about him not taking Alex home. My guess is that the hostiles / Others took her but that by the time she starts to form long term memories, the purge has happened and Ben takes the four- or five-year old Alex as his own.
: ) P
Comment 358, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
or Lemuria
Comment 359, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
bens wounds came from desmond kickin his ass…him trying to kill penny..or maybe even him killing hawking because she is not needed anymore..hawking…i think desmond was the boy that was born..also..we are still in for atleast 1 more time flash…because i bet we see young widmore turn the wheel…I enjoy the theory that they are on the lost city of atlantis…that could have some merit
Comment 360, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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It was the toe that dosn’t get roast beef. :)
Comment 361, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
RGS wrote:
one idea, maybe juliette reminds ben of olivia, his teacher?
Comment 362, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
who’s chang?
Comment 363, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
tasha:
i got the thomas thing from miraks, comment 320.
i don’t think we’re done with ANYONE associated with widmore…i wouldn’t be surprised if we see libby soon…
Comment 364, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Just a couple of observations – I don’t think that you have to actually turn the donkey wheel to time travel. Remember the time travelling bunnies? Maybe there is a different way to harness the special energy. Also, when you are transported, you don’t land in the same time you left. Ben landed 9 months later. Locke landed 3 years later. That means that Charlotte didn’t have to turn the wheel to leave and she might not have landed in 1977 or whatever year she left. Which may be why her birthdate was 1979 instead of 1971 (to correspond with the several years she lost whilst travelling through time off the island).
And, am I the only one who thinks they aren’t changing the time line – these things already happened?
Comment 365, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Per Lostpedia….
Olivia’s last name has not been revealed within the show, however, she was listed as Olivia Goodspeed on ABC’s Lost website and it is unclear whether they are married or related by blood.
Comment 366, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
helen wrote:
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I think Amy and Paul accidently broke the truce when they had their picnic. I heard her cry, “We didn’t know” when the others were putting the bag on her head. She and Paul probably crossed the imaginary line.
I do think that Alpert took Pauls body to prove that he got “who killed the others” is a possibility but would Alpert lie to his people?
Comment 367, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
OK SORRY CHANG IS CANDLE. one final point
kate and sawyer all the way!
Comment 368, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
Ben’s B-day Dec. 19th Early 60′s
He arrived on the island approx 10 years after birth.
Here is an image when he met Richard. Appears to be the same year he got to the island based on age
http://lostpedia.wikia.co/wiki/Image:Benandrichard.JPG
Comment 369, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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Ok. Well how is Thomas related to Widmore? Just making sure I didn’t miss anything.
Comment 370, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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The Dr. on duty said that they sent women to the mainland to give birth, Amy was suppesed to leave the next Tuesday.
Comment 371, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
jaime wrote:
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Notice in the pic he has what appears to be a 20th century gun holster
Comment 372, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
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Nope. I am on your side. I think they keep throwing it in our face wodnering why we don’t just get it. Record turning. Can’t change what has already happened. All this happened. WOuldn’t it be some crap if time actually moved backwards. We look at time forward and don’t have the ability to see, we are all here for a reason. Anyhow I think the writers have given to us on a silver platter, but hey I am wrong all the time. So only time will tell LOL.
Comment 373, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
the only thomas/widmore connection we know of so far is thomas’s paintings in widmore’s office.
Comment 374, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
jaime wrote:
Thanks, Jaime, I appreciate your help. However, for this particular item, I would prefer a source OUTSIDE of LOSTpedia. As already discussed, it is a FAN site and as such, prone to the kinds of errors we’ve already seen with this character. Until yesterday, Olivia was listed as Horace’s wife on LP. So as far as I am concerned, LP quoting ABC’s website is just careful back-pedaling.
ABC’s website doesn’t have anything listed about any of the tertiary, or even secondary characters, so I am not sure where LP got that anyway.
JMO,
: ) P
Comment 375, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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SO who wants to volunteer to watch “The Man Behind the Curtain?” I found the Ben and Desmond scene. So somebody volunteer and see what was said!
Comment 376, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
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No, you are just one of the people that haven’t read all the posts to see that folks think that too. :)
Comment 377, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Finally caught up. Some questions and some thoughts and theorys.
Sawyer refers to Horrace as their boss, so where is Chang?
Why didn’t Miles ask the dead guys what happened and why?
Still on Miles, while he and Juliette, Jin and Daniel were sitting at the picnic table at night Miles asks Juliette what she is staring at. She comments that she lived there for three years, etc. Miles says welcome home. He had been held prisenor there in 2004.
Was Juliette perhaps staring at Ben????
For those who say saving Amy changed things and prevented Horrace from marrying and perhaps having a child with Olivia. Whether they were married or brother and sister Horrice and Olivia were in Oregon in the EARLY 60′s when Ben was born. It is now 1974. Ben, and Roger, should either be on the island or about to arrive. I can’t wait to see Sawyer and Roger sitting and having a beer.
At this point Jin is the only one we know to be born in 1974.
Charlotte said she thought it might have been Daniel who told her never to return. Could it have been Sawyer?
Could Daniel be Jacob???
Comment 378, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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The rules for time travel as Faraday himself puts it: “Whatever happened, happened.” If Faraday is correct, Amy was always saved and her baby always delivered. Something or someone intervened. But does that “someone” have to be Sawyer and Juliet, or is the outcome more important than the details?
Comment 379, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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LOL Hammer
Comment 380, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
what’s the connection with the paintings, was it a painting we saw earlier in thomas/claire’s apt? i don’t remember and i didn’t catch that
Comment 381, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
My favorite line of the night came courtesy Miles….”By now he’s probably talking about time travel” Love that :)
Comment 382, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
jb wrote:
Mikhail, one of the others, whom we saw in Season 3
Comment 383, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
NO NO NO Sawyer and Kate are suppose to be together!!! They better figure out something to fix this
Comment 384, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lola, thomas was the artist that painted the painting in widmore’s office [and claire's apt.]
Comment 385, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
jin AND hurley were born in 74.
not that i think either of them are the baby boy…
especially since the baby was born in 77.
Comment 386, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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I hear ya
Comment 387, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
jaime wrote:
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I am keeping this comment in the back of my head:
BEN: I’m here, Charles, to tell you that I’m going to kill your daughter. Penelope, is it? And once she’s gone… once she’s dead… then you’ll understand how I feel. And you’ll wish you hadn’t changed the rules.
I’m not sure what he meant by change the rules…but I can’t help but think that all this mention of ‘can’t change things’ is leading us to a TO changes things….
Comment 388, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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Hurley was born in 77. I don’t think he is the baby either.
Comment 389, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
True.
That doesn’t mean that they don’t have a doctor on the island who COULD do a C-section if necessary. JMO.
: ) P
Comment 390, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
True.
That doesn’t mean that they don’t have a doctor on the island who COULD do a C-section if necessary. JMO.
And for all we know, it was Sawyer bringing Horace into the house that “scared” her into early labor. She might otherwise have been fine “until Tuesday.”
I know, I know… women don’t get SCARED into labor… I am just SAYING!
: ) P
Comment 391, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Tasha wrote:
No one has to watch to see what someone said. LOSTpedia has transcripts! I looked, and no where in the episode does it say that Olivia is a Goodspeed.
Thanks, though.
: ) P
Comment 392, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
People please….his name isn’t Sawyer anymore. :)
How about LaLiet or JuFleur?
Comment 393, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
To Hammer, Shellonius and others who suggest that Juliet changed history by delivering the breech baby – many breech babies were and are delivered without medical intervention. If the baby was destined to be born, he would have been born without Juliet’s assistance. The bigger interference is with Amy being saved by the Losties – but again, if history corrects itself I’d think that the bag was over her head to keep her from seeing where they were taking her, and they may have released her later. They wouldn’t bother covering her head if they were going to kill her any way. Once released she’d marry and have the baby as she was meant to.
Comment 394, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I’ll add another one.
Expose 3×14
Locke to Paulo:
“Things don’t stay buried on this Island”
Comment 395, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
But what if we end up with Juliet’s physical and Sawyer’s mental genes?
Comment 396, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
thought it was a great episode sawyer and juliet are too happy (not for long thanks to kate) horace and the hippy cabbage was funny. not sure where ben is though and hoping he will be stopped before the purge also the end of last weeks episode ben is wearing gloves then when he picks up jins ring there gone dont see him take them off
Comment 397, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I have read all the comments and I know noone mentioned this:
Sawyer -excuse me – LaFleur has always been a con man. But when it comes time to con Alpert into not inflicting any damage on the Dharma-ites, he resorts to telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And it worked! I thought that was a neat little twist, and goes along with the other comments here about him being a different type of person in this episode.
Comment 398, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I think we may be on to something with the burying part. A nice subtle little thing for the writers to plug in once or twice a year and them hit us hard in Season 5 or 6.
I’m torn on Taweret or Anubis. I can see both, which is probably intentional from the writers too. It’s the only way they can show us the statue without actually show us the statue, if you follow my ambiguity.
Comment 399, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I really feel like the next episode (called Namaste) is going to pick up where we left off this week. I think we will see Ben at twelve or thirteen, and possibly Annie again.
And if our time traveling flashes are over, it is possible we will never see more of 4TS. I expect we will get its history at some point. Maybe in a school lesson with Ben and Annie?
: ) P
Comment 400, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Has anybody heard the reason for the week off? Is it to push the finale farther into May?
Comment 401, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
march madness? basketball
Comment 402, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
sorry-what’s 4TS?
Comment 403, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lola wrote:
Four Toed Statue.
*G*
: ) P
Comment 404, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
pete wrote:
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The Grateful Dead: Phil and Jerry, brownie eating 1970s hippies, could be references to Phil Lesh and Jerry Garcia of The Grateful Dead. Then there’s Ramble On Rose..ie wearing her Geronimo Jackson shirt.
The name of the band Grateful Dead has been attributed to this quote from the
Egyptian Book of the Dead: “We now return our souls to the creator, as we stand on the edge of eternal darkness. Let our chant fill the void in order that others may know. In the land of the night the ship of the sun is drawn by the grateful dead.”
Possible foreshadowing of the statue being Anubis or Horus
Comment 405, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
I just through Thomas’s name out there because a. he would be abot the right age
b. he is a boy
c. he is RELATED to one of the most important characters on the show- Aaron
d. there also seems to be a connection to Widmore
e. he was at first happy to be with Claire and baby on the way, but later changed his mind (why?), which led to Claire eventually ending up on the island
I know the likelyhood of baby Godspeed being Thomas is pretty low, but no less so than it being Ethan (who would have thus been Dharma and killed in the Purge)IMHO
Comment 406, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
thanks, i knew who thomas was, i just never caught the picture hanging in widmore’s office…
Comment 407, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
The scheduling “wheel” was off it’s track and they had to realign the finale for sweeps.
Comment 408, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
I agree. I think we may see young Ben a couple of years older as previously suggested, like Walt.
It is my belief that the attack by the hostiles we saw in S3E20, The Man Behind the Curtain, was thwarted by Lafleur and his talk with Alpert. I just don’t know how.:)
Comment 409, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lola wrote:
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Scrubs i think…season premier or finale
Comment 410, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Ben witnessed the attack from inside the school. Maybe this is the “traumatic life event” that sets him down his good/bad/evil path and changes him.
Comment 411, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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Hammer and Toeknee – I did what PJ suggested and searched but didn’t find anything. I guess I searched on the wrong word (not quite sure what to search on in this case). I did read through quite portion of the entries – many, many talking about a “new” time line. If you could point me to the posts in question, it might have been a little nicer than what you wrote (Note: A smiley face doesn’t make your comment sound any nicer).
Comment 412, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
Comment 413, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
jaime wrote:
I think the traumatic life event was his father telling him he was responsible for the death of his mother on his own birthday.
Comment 414, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I’m thinking LOST is going to prove to be one of those time travel shows that tries to put the horse before the cart. It’s still entertaining but anyone with a physics background will be a little annoyed. I still love it!
Comment 415, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
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Perhaps if you followed the rules and read all the posts like myself, Hammer, Toeknee and several others do you wouldn’t have gotten that comment. Being one who does read them all it gets quite tiring to read the same question 20 + times. It is also the reason there are so many comments to read.
Comment 416, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
So you want Hammer to search for YOU, through all the posts, to find out who agrees with you? I almost added an LOL to that also.
You have to understand that some posters that have been on this blog for some time grow tired of “I haven’t read all the posts”, me included. Or a generic statement such as yours at post #365. Surely someone agrees with your statement at #365.
I realize you are new here, as by your first post under “This Place is Death” thread, and I hope you stay ( I found a couple of things you stated enlightening ), but Hammer said what some of us are thinking on a week to week basis.
I think the smiley face was perfect. It was a joke.
Comment 417, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
are you a hostile? :)
Comment 418, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
fitty wrote:
At the top of the blog where it says: LOST NEWS, ARCHIVES, EPISODES, THEORIES….Click on THEORIES and you will find it. AS my good friend say HTH.:)
Comment 419, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Odd. That is exactly were you want the horse – before the cart.
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My theory. Tunnels. Alpert gets into the Barracks because of tunnel access. The Well is filled in because it tapped into a tunnel. Ben had a tunnel to summon Smokey to chase off the mercenaries. Smokey tried to drag Locke, and did drag Montand, into a tunnel. We have seen various blueprints indicating extensive tunnel systems. Jughead may be in one. Harper Stanhope, there, then not there. Others, popping-up, in force, in the middle of nowhere to point rifles at the Losties when they first started really exploring the various stations.
Comment 420, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
No I don’t want Hammer to search for me – I did search – for a very long time and didn’t find what I was looking for. If he knew of a place (or around a place) that there was a comment on it, it might have been nice to mention it (especially since he said he read all the posts) instead of being rude. I’m sorry that I made a mistake. I’m sure all of you have had times when you wrote something that was already written.
And I have been reading this blog for a couple of years. I don’t post much because I’m afraid I’ll miss something and have just what happened, happen. I was genuinely asking a question because I couldn’t find the answer and instead of something helpful, I got insulted. If your fed-up, either ignore the post or say something to be helpful. This is disheartening to say the least.
Comment 421, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lola wrote:
LOL. No I have not been around here since the beginning and I have been guilty of the same things as most new posters. I guess, in LOST terms, I might be an 815er. Whereas you would be a 316er.:)
Comment 422, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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actually i’ve been here for a few seasons too, never made comments ’til last year, sort of hiding out and watching…so then does that make me an observer in The Pearl Station? OK geekin’ out over here…
Comment 423, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
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Posting a theory that has been voiced in most if not all of the threads this season and many last season as “Am I the only one” is why I reacted. Thanks for ‘searching’ first. :) means don’t take it to heart.
We are just asking for the courtesy of reading all the posts. I read your whole post and all the ones you posted before it…before I read that line.
It’s all good.
Comment 424, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LOL…we are all WHISPERERS…we can be heard, but no one sees us. AND we are often hard to understand….:)
Comment 425, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
exactly!
Comment 426, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
birdwatcher – please don’t take our comments too personally. If you have been reading here for a while you must realize that this comes up ALL the time, and someone will regularly remind people to read all the posts because a lot of comments do get repeated. I “LOL”‘d because I found Hammer’s reminder to you creatively funny – a different way to tell you (or anyone) to read through all the posts.
Also, I am one who DOES agree with your question in #364, that there is no new timeline, that these things always happened. I wrote about it in #243, and again in #252, so in this instance I was more tuned into your comment and was well aware that there were plenty of folks who do agree with you. Again, if you’ve been reading here the last few weeks, you have seen this same issue (whatever happened, happened) discussed over and over.
And, on this particular subject if you do want to skip right to the posts dealing with it, do a search (CTRL-F) for “happened”.
Comment 427, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
birdwatcher – please don’t take our comments too personally. If you have been reading here for a while you must realize that this comes up ALL the time, and someone will regularly remind people to read all the posts because a lot of comments do get repeated. I “LOL”‘d because I found Hammer’s reminder to you creatively funny – a different way to tell you (or anyone) to read through all the posts.
Also, I am one who DOES agree with your question in #364, that there is no new timeline, that these things always happened. I wrote about it in #243, and again in #252, so in this instance I was more tuned into your comment and was well aware that there were plenty of folks who do agree with you. Again, if you’ve been reading here the last few weeks, you have seen this same issue (whatever happened, happened) discussed over and over.
And, on this particular subject if you do want to skip right to the posts dealing with it, do a search (CTRL-F) for “happened”.
Comment 428, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Oh dang! Here I am telling people how to use this blog and then I go and do a double post! Sorry everyone.
Comment 429, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
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dont worry about it , dont pay them no mind ,thems nothing but big ol’ bullies!
why i been told off lots o times,i dont pay them no heed![ma best californe accent .]
Comment 430, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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especially since some of us speak backwards!
Comment 431, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I am new to the blog but I have an idea I wanted to throw into the ring- here goes- Sawyer is John Locke!!! Wadda ya think???
They are both orphans, they were both after the same con man and, correct me if I’m wrong, but they sure seemed to be highligting a much more peaceful, serene Swayer, crowsfeet and all, in last night’s episodes. I couldn’t help but notice the facial similarities.
I know you are all much more into the dicsection of Lost, but I like it too, so be kind :)
Comment 432, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Are you the real McCoy? :)
Now that’s a theory that I have not heard before…LOL I don’t think that the show is no gonna have two of the same guy interacting with each other. But interesting….
Comment 433, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
birdwatcher wrote:
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Birdwatcher, there is room for everyone on this blog. Please don’t be discouraged or afraid to post your questions. I really don’t believe anyone MEANS to be insulting or hurtful – sometimes things just “sound” different in print than they do in your head when you write them. No way to put in vocal inflections etc. – we have to believe that :) really DOES mean good will and try to believe they meant well, even if it feels a bit harsh.
I’ve been posting on this blog for a very long time now and have found that most of the regular posters seem to be genuinely caring and helpful people. We all just LOVE LOST!
Comment 434, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DocH wrote:
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This makes a lot of sense DocH. Have you found anywhere a map of the tunnel systems?
Comment 435, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Lily wrote:
oopsie…I mean cart before the horse. Thanks.
Comment 436, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Birdwatcher, most of the big discussions about whether or not things “have always happened” or were changed, didn’t take place on this thread – which is why you aren’t finding much in your searching. Look through the past few threads, searching for keywords (use the ctrl and F key function) – if you are interested in the topic there were some really good ideas there and some lively debate. You can access the prior threads by clicking on them at the top of this thread, along the right side of the column. Happy searching!
Comment 437, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
So, it sounds like the consensus is that Ben & Locke are on the other island in real time (i.e. 2007/2008) does this mean that, assuming Sun went off w/the pilot in the boat, that Sun and Jin won’t ever be reunited? Thoughts…
Comment 438, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I LUV this Show wrote:
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Well, IF Sun and Frank are together in the dugout boat, I want to know why they didn’t flash with the rest of the group that left on the copter. I thought they were a group that had to come back together. IF they came back to the same time as Jack et al, then I am still confused on why they didn’t flash out of the plane.
Regardless of what time Sun is…I feel that they will be reunited. Whether time travel is required or not, I think it will happen.
Comment 439, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I would think that Sun flashed together with Sayid and is in 1977.
Maybe the woman that took off with the pilot was Penny?
I know we did ot see her get on the plane, but that does not mean she wasn’t there. I’d rather have her on the plane than beaten to death by Ben as some here have suggested.
Comment 440, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DocH wrote:
A couple of seasons back, they showed a huge blueprint with a half dozen tunnels spidering out from under the barracks. The jpg image I have is called – “3x12_ParAvion_Cabling_Map”.
The large tunnels are labeled “20′ Deep Passage”.
Comment 441, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
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I can’t recall the episode – but doesn’t Juliet give an odd reaction to being told where Ethan or Tom (one of the others) was buried?
Comment 442, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
There are always 2 pilots on a plane…..it’s possible that a co pilot (not lapidus) and a woman (not sun) got in a dug out boat. it would make since sayid would be in 77 too and forgive me but it looked like in the preview he was in 77 but LOST is known for showing deceiving stuff in their previews
Comment 443, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
my apologies i just saw not to comment on episode previews i’m sorry everybody
Comment 444, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I read a few posts up there that believe the 4TS is the goddess Tawaret.. in my humble opinion I think it’s highly unlikely for the following reasons..
- Tawaret was depicted with the head and body of a hippo, back of a crocodile, upper and lower extremities of a lion (aka paws).. our 4TS possesses none of these as far as we can tell.. and the knee high skirt worn by the statue is only worn by males.. females have ankle long skirts.. and Tawaret specifically wore no clothing at all other than the flat crown
- the visible right hand at this angle displays phalanges with distal and proximal flexibility like a human or related species as they are curved around the loop of what looks like ankh.. Tawaret, on the other hand (no pun intended), has her rather stiff paw resting at a 90 degree angle facing forward on the sign of protection, or Saa, which is shaped similar to ankh with the loop at the top but more of a two pronged bottom serving as a walker type device.. in addition the four toes themselves look rather humanoid rather than resembling the paw of a feline
- also this statue does not possess the back of the crocodile, although it is true that Tawaret was only occasionally shown as such.. the reason for this depiction was that Tawaret was thought to be married to the crocodile god Sobek who was worshipped in the city of Kom Ombo in upper egypt so she absorbed some of his physical qualities in reliefs and statues created in the region surrounding Kom Ombo such as Luxor or Aswan, but not in lower egypt which is where the Giza pyramids and sphinx are located and where our primary interests most likely lie regarding the Lost-Egypt mythos
- regarding the head and body of a hippo.. we can’t tell from this angle but we can surmise based on the overall observable waist circumference and girth.. tawaret has tremendous girth as a goddess of pregnancy and delivery should have and although we don’t have a frontal view.. girth manifests itself in all regions of ones body.. our statue is rather lean especially in the hamstrings.. the ratio of upper to lower torso is also rather equal, whereas Tawaret’s upper torso predominates in all representations throughout egyptian history.. in other words this is the body of a human not a hippo
Tawaret’s role in egyptian mythology fits with the island pregnancy issues but like hammer said that may have showed up later with ben.. so if this does end up being Tawaret, as an archaeologist i’d be really disappointed with the research quality put in by carlton and damon.. and i doubt they’d make that big a mistake so it likely isn’t
To this point I’ve been unable to think of any god or goddess that 100% fits that mold.. this makes me think that statue may in fact have the face of someone on the show and we’ll be shocked when they show it
Comment 445, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I LUV this Show wrote:
There was a LOT of debate about “who” the two were that ran off (according to Ilana) when TLaDoJB aired. Personally, I don’t think it was Frank and Sun. I don’t even think it was Frank! As I understand it, all flights have to have a co-pilot. Someone sees a man in a pilot uniform running away, I don’t think he or she will stop to think which pilot it was!
My vote is for Frank, Sun, Sayid (and perhaps others we don’t yet know were on the plane) to have flashed with Kate, Hurley and Jack, but they ended up somewhere other than the lake area.
Perhaps those that actually “crashed” in the plane are ALSO in 1977, but we just don’t know it yet. The possible reference we have is the office at the Hydra station, but was there anything in there to definitively put the timeline AFTER the 1970′s?
Now I am going to contradict myself. Michael tricked Hurley, Kate and Jack (along with Sawyer) into going with him to rescue Walt, so maybe those three WERE the only ones that flashed.
Maybe it is too late to be speculating so hard! LOL
: ) P
Comment 446, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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I think it was Frank and the redhead that got on 316 who left in the boat. I think Sun and Sayid are in 1977 with the others/hostils. I can’t explain why Frank didn’t go to 77 unless it is because he only spent about a week on the island.
Comment 447, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Is the baby Jacob?!?!
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shellonius funk wrote:
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….Concieved in the shack meh-bbee…
Comment 448, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
IMO. Maybe the creators of the 4TS, TBTD, didn’t want it to be defined by 1 “god” or religion. We have seen all major religions involved in this show, at some point. Maybe the 4TS is a mix of “gods”, not one specific?
I forgot about the FFL RULES.:)
Comment 449, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Halliwax wrote:
Sorry Halliwax, didn’t mean to misquote. I appreciate your expertise. I need to read #464 from last week’s post.:) My nose bleeds alot.
Comment 450, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
For Logic’s sake…Please…Sun and Sayid better be in 1977. :) I get it now.
But who are the people telling us they had to come back together? Ben and Ms. Hawking. We know Ben lies, I would not put it past Ms. Hawking either. She seemed pretty satisfied with taking anyone available, at one point.
Comment 451, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Now I’m a little intimidated by all the pouncing on birdwatcher, but there’s something that I have been thinking about on course correction that I believe hasn’t been proposed here but I think Hammer somewhat alluded to it. I try to read all the posts. So here it is and please forgive me in advance if this has already been discussed:
I agree with Faraday’s “what happened, happened” theory. However, I think that someone, may be from the Dharma initiative or before that (could be Widmore, could be the ancient Egyptians) did some time traveling of their own that changed the course of events temporarily. I think the main reason for the survivors to return to the island or, for that matter, to crash on the island in the first place is so that their presence and their interaction with the island can course-correct the events. I think this is why it’s their ‘destiny’ and why the island brought them here. So may be Charlotte isn’t meant to die in time skipping; may be the purge was never meant to happen. Some posts above have discussed that no matter what Faraday does he wont be able to prevent Charlotte’s death. But we’re assuming, in that case, that Charlotte’s death is the correct course. May be it’s not. Someone way before messed around with events that steered them off course in a direction that lead to the unfortunate death of Charlotte and the purge. I think the interplay of the survivors with the island will put history back on its rightful course. So, in sum, I don’t think Sawyer, Juliette, Jin, Miles and Faraday going back to 1977 are messing up the past. Quite the opposite..they’re actually fixing the past or assisting the universe in course-correcting events that someone else messed up. Both Ben and Widmore believe that the survivors have to be back on the island for the course correction to happen, but may be they have different ideas of what the correct course is.
Comment 452, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Daphne wrote:
I still dont think Richard travels through time… faith I guess, what I find weird about the Others is that they always seem to take the role of whoever they take over… Even in 2004 they dress up in rags… but anyways
John Locke most likely will meet up with Richard again, and explain to him all that has happened. This is how Richard will know that John Locke has to die, and when to find him and give him the compass…
Comment 453, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Newbie wrote:
I am sorry you see it that way.:(
Comment 454, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I was re-reading some previous posts and found that Duke’s comment, #24, in the 316 thread pretty much says the same thing I’m trying to get across. But I dont think it was discussed that much.
Comment 455, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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But that didn’t scare me enough to not write :)
Comment 456, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Newbie wrote:
Hi Mrs. duke.:)
Comment 457, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Well I think the Ajira flight definitely landed in 2008 (present time), because recall the earlier episode where Sawyer finds the Ajira water bottle on the beach. And at that time, Sawyer’s group had flashed sometime into the “present.” And it was clear that the water bottle was new, not like it had been there for years or even months.
I don’t think Lapidus is in 1977 because he wasn’t on the original Oceanic 815 flight (even if some have speculated he SHOULD have been the pilot, he still wasn’t on that flight). I think the “pilot” that ran off with the woman in a canoe after the Ajira landing was indeed Lapidus. I like the theory of the woman he ran off with being the redheaded woman we saw board Flight 316. Sun and Sayid should be in 1977, although the question then is, why didn’t they flash along with Jack/Kate/Hurley into the waterfall area? For dramatic purposes, they will probably make us wait for a Jin-Sun reunion, but I’m sure there is a valid reason as to why Sun and Sayid did not land in the same place as Jack/Kate/Hurley.
As for the possibility of Charlotte eventually being alive, I think ANYBODY we have seen die has the possibility of coming back alive. I say this because Desmond (whom the rules don’t apply to, according to Faraday) may have the power to change everything. His role on this show is critical, I think…super critical. I also can’t get his “see you in another life brother” quote out of my head. Seems that it could be more than just a catch-phrase, considering what we’ve seen him do in this show so far and what he’s capable of. It’s like his subconscious KNOWS he will see whomever he says that to again. Just maybe.
Comment 458, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
http://lost.forumup.gr/viewtopic.php?p=21&mforum=lost#21
Comment 459, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I think if folks are looking for a reasonable explanation as far as the Ajira folks flashing to different spots and timelines, you will not find one. Hawkings said they had to recreate everything as best they could. They obviously could not, thus the result of their travel would be as she stated, “unpredictable.”
So Sun can very well be in 2008 with Jin in 1977, to me their reunion would be a subplot that could last the rest of this season and into next if need be.
Comment 460, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Newbie wrote:
I’m not sure one can say that “what happened, happened” and then turn around and state that the Losties or Left Behinders are fixing things.
For instance in 198X a whole bunch of Dharma folks will die. That is what happened. If folks are able to “fix it” then perhaps they don’t die by Ben gassing them, but instead, Ben plans a huge banquet and poisons the food/drinks, or he locks up all the guns, shuts down the sonic fence and allows the Hostiles to go buck wild, etc. The bottom line is a whole bunch of Dharma folks will die because that is what happened.
Charlotte will die on the island, whether she gets there from Widmore funding, or was on the original 815 flight, or some subsequent method, she will arrive on the island and die.
Comment 461, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
duke wrote:
Dude, if you are lying awake at night thinking about Lost, you need to seek some professional help! That’s a great question though. Not sure who would have looked after her during that time.
Comment 462, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Finally got through all of the previous post so I can make a comment concerning everyone’s opinions on the islands latest romance.
I have always been in favor of Kate/Sawyer being together in the end, so was surprised to find myself (reluctantly) approving of the Sawyer/Juliet pairing. I have never been a fan of Juliet’s, but if she makes Sawyer happy…so be it. I find it amusing that you all are apprehensive of Kate showing up and messing that up. What about Jack showing up and now Juliet ditching Sawyer for Jack? It was apparent early on that Juliet had her heart set on Jack. So, cut Kate some slack. Jack and Juliet had a huge influence on how Kate behaved in the past and Sawyer didn’t mind being her booty call (or so he said). Kate didn’t always behave rationally, but Jack certainly doesn’t either.
Comment 463, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Newbie wrote:
So you are saying that the O815 crash WAS a course correction? I think I can buy into that. Clearly SOME (if not all) of the O815ers were PUT on that plane. I am going to mull that over a bit.
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Comment 464, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DocH: love the tunnels theory; we know they exist (for smokey) and it makes sense.
birdwatcher and new folks…hammer wasn’t being rude; in fact he said exactly what i was thinking (implying that you should read everything first). the only reason we get frustrated is because we DO read (sometimes for days) everything before posting.
and even if you DID read everything, i completely understand how muddled your/our thoughts can get.
the more i read and piece together, the more i solidify theories in my head which, at this point, i can’t even recall if they’re uniquely mine or not since they’re influenced by everything i’ve read on here.
i don’t even know if that makes sense.
but i’ll stew on ideas for days to the point where i don’t even know if i’ve mentioned them MYSELF.
anyhoo…i’ve been watching season 1 again, and it’s amazing to watch john locke absorb everything as if he’s been there already. i mean…in a sense he HAS [in the (forth-coming) past]. watching old eps makes me appreciate the show even more.
i’m still on board with miraks about thomas being the baby. mainly because of the age and widmore connection. and the aaron connection. the only reason i was wondering if juliet’s interference with the delivery may have altered things is to determine whether the baby is someone we may not have even met yet.
folks i’m HOPING to see on the island:
helen, crazy-numbers-loony bin guy, and libby. and libby’s husband…if she even WAS married…
i’m also waiting for more half-sibling relationships to be revealed. jack is a nickname for john, and they have a jillion other parallels…
Comment 465, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LostJunkie wrote:
I agree that the water bottle is a clue to the fact that an Ajira flight lands sometime after January 2008.
However, I disagree that it is “new” as seen here:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=122742&fullsize=1
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Comment 466, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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I think the event that changed been was seeing Annie die. Maybe she got mixed up in some Dharma experiment and died accidentally.
Comment 467, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Has anyone talked on the theory of Jacob being Horace and Amy’s baby…Maybe thats why he is in the cabin..because Horace was building it when locke saw him dead…also..that could be why he said to locke “help me”..because if locke didnt turn the FDW the last time and stop he time travel he never would have been born because of Julliette being the only one to perform a Sea Section..also the writers did say its someone we havent me before…Just a thought
Comment 468, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
i don’t remember…did abaddon think that walt was supposed to come back? seems like he did.
Comment 469, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Now I am going to contradict myself. Michael tricked Hurley, Kate and Jack (along with Sawyer) into going with him to rescue Walt, so maybe those three WERE the only ones that flashed.
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Thats been bugging me since the off.when they were all on the dock …purple flash,…ear renching sound … yet no visible change in time/nose bleeds nothing ,no difference ?or was that the same instant the hatch imploded?
Comment 470, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
booooooo, answers, with the spoiler!!! (about someone we haven’t seen yet)
well at least i can hang up my thomas theory…
i don’t think it’s jacob because locke mentioned jacob in ’54 to richard, and richard seemed to know what’s up.
i have been wondering about the “help me” though. i think it might have something to do with ben holding him hostage in the cabin? not sure.
but when john visits christian there, i don’t recall the ring of gunpowder/ash/whatever around the cabin.
not sure what that means…
Comment 471, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
RGS wrote:
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I believe the purge will not happen because charlotte and daniel disarmed the gas.in SE4 .which is an act of course correcting [sort of]
Comment 472, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
leah, that WAS when the hatch imploded.
i also noticed that the sky was purple on this last episode during the final flash. i think it’s something about the un-sticking in time.
that’s when desmond’s flashes started..with the first purple sky i mean…when he turned the fail safe key.
Comment 473, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
And while were on the subject of why 316 losties didnt come down together , Because the first flight,815 crashed in two pieces ot opposite sides of the island.
Comment 474, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Im thinking that Ben killed Penny or Desmond or even baby Charlie and some how got their body (bodies) on the flight? Why? I don’t know. Remember Ms Hawking said the island was not done with Desmond. If any of them were dead and then they were brought to the island what would happen? Would they come back like Locke? Any thoughts?
Comment 475, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
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My vote was for the woman with Frank being Penny as well.
Comment 476, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Kate hasn’t done a thing to deserve Sawyer. She has NOT changed her law breaking, “I do what want” ways. She has never tried the redemption route, she should’ve been behind bars for the past decade, not galavanting around, giving away Claire’s baaabbby.
Sawyer, Mister Criminal himself actual found redemption. He jumped from the helo to save the OA6, leading the way for other Losties. He has been doing nothing but good work, and the tough jobs, since the island dealt him his cards.
Juliet, seems like she is the anti-Kate (a GOOD thing). A fertility doctor, helping people, lured to the island, to help people. Jack fancied her for all of the three weeks he knew her. Kate had three+ months to be pro-Jack or pro-Sawyer, she waffled then, and will again… she is, and always will be, pro-Kate.
Now Juliet and Sawyer – they’ve had three years together. They get out of bed, kiss, tell each other they love another, hug – three years together. Freckles and Doc aren’t just going to walk into the barracks and change that… they’ll lose because they are losers. Juliet was always a reletive winner while Sawyer earned top Brownie points in the island trenches.
(okay, now take what I said and flip it entirely around… that’s what they will write to.)
Comment 477, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Three pieces, not two.
Comment 478, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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This has been one of my theories as well in past threads. I believe that its possible the remnants of the ancient civilization are below the barracks and Dharma stations. They were built right over top.
I had never thought of the tunnels though as a way for people to travel about, that’s a great theory that would explain Richards comment about getting past the security fence.
Comment 479, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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I thought that when Desmond turned the fail-safe key, 815 crashed. That was when he tried to leave on the boat. Wasn’t the flash when Kate/Sawyer/Jack/Hurley were with the Others cause by Locke letting the computer count down? Was that when he started flashing, cause that was when he showed up in the woods naked?
Comment 480, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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Right then ,heres my take on things[ simply put ] when theres an explosion of atom splitting ,ie.a bomb[jughead]. it causes an implosion, which in turn causes a black hole ,which sucks everything in ,matter, objects ,even time . through a hole and out the other side causing a parallel . Now im not a scientist so im only going of what i learnt at school , which was some time ago.
If on emergin the other side , there s some thing missing from the original ie, 6 passengers from the OA815.If they dont return then this will upset the balance and make the whole world in danger.
Comment 481, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Melissa wrote:
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Desmond “caused” 815 to crash when he was LATE in putting in the numbers. He was late because he had followed Kelvin, who was trying to leave on Desmond’s boat. Desmond killed him and ran back to the station and put in the numbers. No flash then, just the crash. He turned the fail-safe key when the computer was counting down and it was TOO LATE to input the numbers – that was the “purple sky event” and the presumed beginning of Desmond’s time travels.
Comment 482, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
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no the oa815 crashed when desmond was late, imputing the code, after fighting with kelvin.
Comment 483, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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CLICK – thanks guys for keeping me straight.
Comment 484, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
not quick enough! :)
Comment 485, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Couple random theories after watching LaFleur again:
Horace was in love with Paul and he hasn’t been able to get over it in the past three years.
Sawyer is not in love with Juliet, he is playing her. She is an other and I still don’t trust her.
The statue was in the future. When we saw the foot before, the rest of it was missing because it hadn’t been built yet.
Also, anyone notice that one of the guys trying to kidnap Amy had a large tattoo on his arm? Those guys looked more like rednecks than any type of Anubis-worshipping immortals. Maybe there is a “Deliverance” element here that we are all missing. Squeal piggy!
Comment 486, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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There is a god, who’s name i have forgotten, that is a mix of Anubis and I want to say Greek god Hermes.
Comment 487, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
I’ll take it a step further for step further’s sake.
When the purple flash happened while Hurley, Kate and Jack (along with Sawyer) were on the dock, Sayid and Sun (along with Jin) were on Desmond’s boat.
Technically speaking (REALLY technically speaking) none of the Ajira folk were on the island at that time. All of them were over the water.
Comment 488, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Ok everyone, it’s time, once again, for one of my far reaching theories…..
I’ve always wondered why Richard isn’t just always the leader of the Others. Why have Ben, or Widmore, or Locke as the leader when Richard Alpert is always there anway? Then I started to really contemplate the reason for the eyeliner… R.A. is Ra, the ancient egyptian sun god. Do you think this guy has been alive for only 300 years, or more like 3000+?
Comment 489, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DocH wrote:
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i meant two groups !
Comment 490, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
RGS wrote:
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I agree. I think Sun, Sayid and Frank are in the same time line as the 316ners.
Theories though as to why Sun and Sayid did not flash with Hurley, Kate and Jack????
Maybe it has to do with falling out of favor with the island. Sayid became an assasin for Ben. Sun began to work with Widmore. Sayid did achieve some sort of redemption by his humanitarian efforts.
Where did we first see Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun when 815 crashed?
Comment 491, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Skweez wrote:
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Yes, it is definitely more than his father being an ass.
Comment 492, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
I think that might be possible.
I am more leaning toward either a pre-egyptian society, or an unknown society, not necessarily a known civilization though. My bet would be on something more along the lines of Atlantis/ Mu/ Lemuria/ …
Comment 493, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Melissa wrote:
Desmond followed Inman (I think that was his name) outside the hatch. He accidently killed him by hitting his head on the rocks. While he was out there, he saw his boat. THATS when flight 815 crashed because by the time he got back to the hatch, it had already counted down. Him turning the fail-safe key DEFINITELY is what made the sky turn purple when Jack, Sawyer and Kate were at the docks. It’s also when Michael and Walt left the island.
Comment 494, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DharmaGreg wrote:
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I would be curious to know why you think this?
In any case, the Dharma compound seems to be located very close to the Temple of the Others, maybe even on top of some of it. It is odd then, that the Others would have entered into any kind of truce with Dharma that would allow them to be THERE of all places. On the island, OK, but not THERE. It may be the actual reason that the Others have become the “hostiles” towards them. Then again, they weren’t all that welcoming to the army group either – but in all fairness, they DID after all, bring a big bomb.
Comment 495, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
DocH wrote:
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Wow! You feel pretty strongly about this, huh!
I won’t try to flip it around, because you are totally entitled to your opinion. I was just saying everyone was seeing this love square being shaken by Kate and I see some potential for the old “Jack/Juliet” alliance to also shake things up a bit. Just because Juliet does not appeal to me personally does not mean I said she is a bad person. She had the hots for Jack early on and maybe when they set eyes on each other again there may me a lingering look too. I just really meant that it is going to really get interesting…
Comment 496, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Skweez wrote:
You think Annie is dead? I could buy that.
Comment 497, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
Okay, but A316 is definitely in ONE piece, so I am not sure that one relates to the other at all.
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Comment 498, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Sawyer’s Constant wrote:
Honestly, I think the romantic angles are going to be downplayed from this point forward. Other than a Sun / Jin reunion scene, I don’t think we are going to see a lot of romance. There is too much story left to tell mythologically speaking to spend a lot of air time on romantic polygons.
That said, it was clear that we are to believe that Sawyer and Juliet are a happy, comfortable couple, resigned to live “happily ever after” through the 70s and 80s and beyond. I don’t think Sawyer was emotionally invested in Kate the way he appears to be with Juliet.
BFE (Before the Freighter Explosion – which is an easier way to delineate, then to say the year LOL) Juliet had a lil ole crush on Jack, but knew that the feelings were not reciproKATEd (sorry, the pun was just there ASKING me to let it out).
If we do see some romance, I think that Kate will be relieved that Sawyer is safe and happy. I think the Jack will shed the shackles of leadership, chill and realize that it is okay to love a murdering fugitive with a good heart and allow himself to fall properly for Kate.
So no crazy romantic fighting, just Saywer with Juliet, and Jack with Kate. And Desmond with Penny, Sun with Jin, Bernard with Rose. (And on the “zombie season,” Sayid with Shannon, Hurley with Libby, Charlie with Claire, Daniel with Charlotte, Locke with Helen, Miles with Ana Lucia, Ben with Annie.) (And on LOST The Next Generation, Ji Yeon with Aaron, little Charlie with as-yet-unnamed baby Goodspeed.)
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Comment 499, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
rita…i’m with you on the why THERE.
the others seem nomadic to me; like they don’t just have one camp in one place.
not sure why i think this; i feel like something has alluded to it.
i’m still scratching my head about them seeing the statue while sawyer was standing in the filled-in well.
i care less about WHAT the statue was and more about WHEN it was.
Comment 500, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
I think Rose will have an affair with Hurley and Kate will end up with Ben. Oh yeah, who cares who Kate, Juliet, Sawyer and Jack end up with. Maybe they’ll have a giant orgy together!
:)
Comment 501, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
http://z.about.com/d/ancienthistory/1/0/M/J/RamsesII.jpg
Pretty strong resemblance. I am betting on the statue being male for sure.
Comment 502, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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But Daniel disarmed the gas in 2004. So when they travel back into the 70s, that disarmament hasn’t happened yet.
Comment 503, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
The well was filled-in after they flashed to the Dharma Days and the statue had disappeared.
Comment 504, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Yes! Thats exactly what I’m saying!! I don’t understand why it would be their ‘destiny’ to crash onto the island otherwise.
Comment 505, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
The 4TS was seen in the scene BEFORE the well was dug, when Sawyer was holding the rope that just went into the ground.
Then they flashed to a new time (1974) when the well was filled in, but still had the wall around it.
Chronologically, I think it is
First: no well (the first no well, the angels did sing) = 4TS time
Next: well (Locke goes down)
Finally: filled-in well (DHARMA years)
HTH
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Comment 506, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
LaFlor wrote:
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Did anyone actually believe that Sawyer was telling the truth when he spoke to Horace about 3 years being enough time to get over someone? It seemed rather obvious to me that he did not even believe the words coming out of his mouth. He had seemingly moved on but the despair in his face was tremendous. Kate was/is the one person that could keep Sawyer in check and challenge him to be better than he thought himself to be. Juliette took over this role by backing his decisions as leader but there are most definately unresolved feelings for Kate that have to play out somehow.
Comment 507, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
RGS wrote:
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Thats assuming that Charlotte’s death on the island is on the true course of events. Sure, she’ll die eventually..everyone will..but is she meant to die so soon?
All I’m saying is that this is a possibility and a probable explanation for why its the O815′ers ‘destiny’ to be on the island.
Comment 508, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Ben is a sick puppy, who apparently knows all about the island/Jacob and it’s unique properties. However, he wasn’t always sick, in fact, he seemed to be a kid lacking love until Annie came along. Something really profound must have happened to that poor girl at the hands of Dharma for him to kill all of those people including his dad.
Comment 509, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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I always imagined Thomas and Claire to be early twenties when they she got pregnant not 27-28 years old. A couple of kids themselves trying and struggling to make things work. LEaving little doubt in my mind that the baby could possibly be Thomas. The baby would be 27-28 years old in 2004 when losties first crashed. I will go on record as saying that the baby is definately not THomas
Comment 510, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Newbie wrote:
So the competing theories are “what happens happened” (predetermination) or not predetermination.
The reason I assume these events to be the true course is because these events are what the TV show reveals to us. Once the show reveals something to us I take it as an event that has happened. The next step for my understanding of “what happened happened,” is that there is nothing anyone can do to prevent said event. (I guess this applies to finalities).
I believe your position is that things can change and are not predetermined. So if you mean by Charlotte not dying so soon, that something can change or “course correct to the right timeline” to allow her to live to 80 and die on the island then her death in 2008 actually did not happen.
By saying that someone may have been messing with things “earlier” and now the Losties are fixing things however slightly, and these fixes result in a slight change in course, implies that someone else could come back after the Losties do their thing, and slightly change the course by altering something else. Then someone else could come and change that altered course, and so on and so on.
For purposes of this show I lean toward the predetermined course, but I agree that what you are saying is possible just not a “what happened happened.”
Comment 511, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
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Where are the pointy ears?
Comment 512, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
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I also found it interesting that R.A. would ask James, “…what are you?”, and not “who are you”, as if R.A. is fully aware of entities other than humans.
Comment 513, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
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I was going with the posture and the attire. But if you look here
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/NGSPOD/104454-FB~A-Statue-of-Ramses-Ii-Posters.jpg
you can see a pointy part.
My point was more that as Halliwax said, the statue follows the statues posture and clothing worn by males, not females. I don’t mean that it is a statue of Ramses II. :-) Maybe Richard is a “lost” pharao :-)
Comment 514, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
Do you think this convo has anything to do with the “undiscovered territory” on the BDM?
[The men sit down on a bench.]
SAWYER: Any luck?
JIN: We finished grid 1-3-3 today. No sign of our people. No one.
SAWYER: Well, 1-3-4 then.
JIN: How long do we look, James?
SAWYER: As long as it takes.
Comment 515, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Comment 516, posted 1 year, 6 months ago -
duke…i’m already straying from the thomas idea, but for the record, claire’s bday is October 27, 1982.
Comment 517, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Who’s to say that the Ajiran flight landed on the island in 2008? It very well could have landed in 1977 and Sawyer and crew could have flashed to 1977 (not 2008) and the water bottle would have still looked new in 77 if that is when then Ajiran passengers are.
I don’t see how the Ajiran passengers are in 2008/present day and Kate, Jack and Hurley are in 1977….. wouuldn’t that mean the island is existing in two different places? I think Ben could very well be able to be in 1977 when his younger self was because during one of the flashes Locke and Sawyer were near the places on the island when Claire was giving birth and the light was on in the hatch. Does that make sense?
Comment 518, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Check this out about the statue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCIVghY6urU
Comment 519, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
BaileyLovesLost wrote:
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I don’t think so, the island is only in one place. PEOPLE are in different times on the island where ever it is.
Jack et al, flashed to out of the plane into 1977 and on the island…and I THINK that Locke et al, landed on the island in present day.
Comment 520, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Comment 521, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Newbie wrote:
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I think you guys are on to something. I also think that fits in with my earlier theory that Jack flashed after 816 and didn’t crash due to a course correction type purpose (an explanation for why he woke up in the jungle in the same manner as after the 315 flash/crash).
For those of you claiming that the purge will happen because it happened or any other event for that matter, I think you are making assumptions. We don’t really know what happened. We know what we have been shown in the order we have been shown it, and we assume that it is what should have happened. The point being made here is that 816 crashed because of a course correction. In other words it didn’t happen that way originally and we don’t yet know what is and isn’t suppose to happen. The writers have said that there will not be any time paradoxes. This does not mean that events can’t change, this means that dualities can not occur. You can’t be alive before you were born and kill your mother and therefor never be born in the first place. Events changing, or course correcting, to preserve continuities and prevent these types of paradoxes are not only possible but necessary as well.
Moving on…
In the show ‘enter 77′, Mikhail says that he came to the island 11 years ago and in ‘par avion’ he claims that he was recruited by someone but he doesn’t finish the sentence because they spot the sonic fence. This would obviously be post purge and would leave the island under the control of Ben and ‘the others’, so my question is who recruited him and why? I believe there is more to that story line. In ‘par avion’ Mikhail also says that Kate was not on the list (the list from his great leader, not Ben, but Jacob). Mikhail also says that he has a fleeting memory of John Locke but that he must be mistaken because the John he knew….(he never finishes that sentence). Could these references be pertaining to some of the reasons for these course corrections and if so how does all this relate to the turning of the wheel and all the flashes starting and stopping?
Comment 522, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
Comment 523, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
silentlucidity wrote:
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Pretty compelling! Thanks for sharing – this would also “fit” with the fertility focus of Dharma and later the Others.
Comment 524, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
In my previous post I forget to mention…
If Mikhail got to the island 11 years ago and he has a fleeting memory of John Locke, than where and when is that memory from? Something is not adding up…
Comment 525, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
How about this… Jacobs cabin always moves as the flashes moved while the wheel was spinning… if you are in the cabin, like Jacob (or Christian etc.) you follow the order of the flashes, even when the island isn’t moving through times… therefore Jacob is always on the move, which is how he knows so much…; and why the cabin is not always visable…
…This would also make it possible for Jacob to be Horace and Amys son… Richard could have met him ten thousand years ago for all we know, if it was SUPPOSED to happen
Comment 526, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy wrote:
His file, perhaps? Also, it’s 815 and 316, not 816 and 315, it’s confusing me when I read it.:)
Comment 527, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
jaime wrote:
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This was taken from their conversation in Lafleur
I’m wondering if the quadrants pertain at all to the Blast Door Map
Comment 528, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
jaime wrote:
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I assume they are looking for Locke and the O6 to return. I’m wondering though, after 3 years of actively searching the island, that they haven’t yet run into Rose and Bernard, or any other surviving 815ers. Are they flashed into a different time?
Comment 529, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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This is still a guess. The Egyptian goddess Taweret also has 4 toes and a hippo head. She is the Egyptian goddess of fertility and birth. Hmmmmm. That fits! Plus it explains the pointy ears that are not long enough to be a jackal head (and definitely not human head like). I’m going with hippo head or lion head. How else do you explain the ears???????
Comment 530, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Also if the plane tried to land on the makeshift runway, it would be post-purge. If the Hydra is abandoned, contains historical data/artifacts, it would be after 1977. If the plane crashed in 1977, wouldn’t there be a good chance that the DI would see/and or hear it, detect it? This is picky, but I’m not sure they were bottling water in plastic containers in ’77. All in all I have the chances of the plane crashing in ’77 at less than 1%. JMO.
Comment 531, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
Great question. I have no idea ( Adam and Eve)?
Comment 532, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Taweret is on the left. Flat crown on top. Holding an ankh in each hand. Pointy ears…
http://www.aegyptologie.com/forum/attachments/taweret.jpg
Comment 533, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
holchadolcha wrote:
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Yes! I mentioned it a few episodes back. I definitely think this is the theory of time travel that’s being used here. With the exception of Desmond.
Comment 534, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
jaime wrote:
Comment 535, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
I believe Richard and the Others didn’t really want Amy, they wanted Amy’s baby. They had to kill Paul to get Amy. Remember the Others kidnapped Alex from Danielle, they took the children from the original crash and they stole Walt off the boat. For some reason they need children.
I agree w/359, I think Desmond beat up Ben. I believe Ben went to try and kill Penny to fulfill his promise to Widmore and Desmond beat him up. Remember Desmond was in town to find Eloise too. They came via Penny’s boat, which was at the dock which is where Ben was when he called Jack to tell him that plans have changed and Jack has to pick up Locke’s body.
As for Alpert taking Paul’s body, resurrection is a hidden theme, so it could be that Paul’s coming back as an Other!
There’s a great time line on Lostpedia at http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
that helps answer a lot of questions.
Comment 536, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
I think we just haven’t SEEN Rose and Bernard (and Vincent) in 1977. I imagine that in 1974, they found them “the crew” of the salvage vessel. I think those smaller plot points will be filled in, in time.
: ) P
Comment 537, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
sector7 wrote:
And four toes… very compelling.
: ) P
Comment 538, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
Sawyer said earlier in the episode that he was waiting for Locke to bring back, Jack, Kate, Sayid, etc, so I think that’s who he’s hoping to find.
We didn’t see Daniel in 1977 in this episode. But my guess is that the opening scene of this season, where we saw Daniel in the Orchid Station, took some place well after 1974.
Comment 539, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
a. agreed, see post 536
b. who is the “rest of the” tailies? As far as I know, Bernard is the only tailie left. Right?
c. We did not see Daniel in 1977 in LaFleur. There is speculation that we saw him in 1977 in the opening scenes of Because You Left.
: ) P
Comment 540, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
donyab wrote:
Well, okay. Except that Amy, as far as we know, wasn’t pregnant in 1974 when she and Paul were having the picnic. She was pregnant in 1977, presumably with Horace’s baby.
: ) P
Comment 541, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
donyab wrote:
After watching the show, I had thought the same thing. But then I remembered that Amy wasn’t pregnant in that scene where the Others were trying to kidnap her. However, it’s possible they wanted to take her, in the hopes that she could become pregnant.
Comment 542, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJ you beat me to it!
Comment 543, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
LOL. GMTA, Toeknee.
: ) P
Comment 544, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
LOL.
Comment 545, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
RGS wrote:
Comment 546, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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In 1974 when Miles, Juliet, Daniel etc were chilling outside Daniel sees who he believes is Charlotte. The alarm goes off and everyone scrambles to find shelter. Did Daniel go into the same house as Miles, Juliet, and Sawyer? Can anyone recall the very LAST time we saw Daniel.
Comment 547, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Boy I’m not having a good day with this blog. screwed up the quoting there
RGS – my comment 545 is in response to your comment 530
Comment 548, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
jaime wrote:
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i was checking out the BDM and came across this image
http://www.lost4815162342.com/blastmap/
You can see the tunnels that go from station to station. Where are the barracks on this map?
Comment 549, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
jaime wrote:
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And according to this (lostpedia keep in mind) there are four passages leading from the barracks to areas beyond the sonic barrier. Possible how Richard go to the barracks
Comment 550, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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If you listen carefully to the scene when the others kill Poul and put the bag over Amy you can hear her say something like “I’m Sorry, we didn’t know” “We were just having a picnic.” I don’t think they set out to capture Amy, she and Paul just crossed the invisible line, therefore breaking the truce.
Comment 551, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/DHARMA_cabling_map
Forgot the link
Comment 552, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy wrote:
Perhaps he knew Locke off island?
Comment 553, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
ok, read everything, so…
I don’t think the baby is Jacob, I get the feeling that Jacob has always been around.
I would bet money that it WAS Sun and Lapidus that took off in the boat, the co-pilot theory is a stretch, BUT I have definitely been wrong in my trying to figure out WTF has been going on before. In fact I’ve only had 1 correct prediction and that was that Miles had been on the island before, and we don’t even know that for sure, Faraday only asked him “are u sure about that?” to MIles stating he had only been there 3 weeks.
I’m not getting people questioning the whole “it’s only been 3 years” statement. I think it was just foreshadowing of Sawyer seeing Kate again. I don’t think Horace was referencing Olivia at all-just simply that he found Paul’s ankh that Amy was “hiding” in her drawer for 3 years.
I think Richard pretty much is able to do whatever he wants. I also think he’s kinda cute.
I’d be interested in hearing everyone’s opinion on who should be trusted more: Widmore or Ben? Neither? What does everyone think? I sort of like Ben sometimes…
And FINALLY once again, I’m sorry people but Kate and Sawyer all the way!!!!!!!! Some don’t think Kate is “worthy”, but who do you think started Sawyer on his about face attitude? I’m not really sure why she ever left those dimples in the first place.
Comment 554, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Mikhail new all the 411 on Kate, Sayid, and John from their files for sure, but he also said that comment about John specifically. If you re-watch the episode you will understand what I am talking about. He is alluding to the fact that he did not know Kate and Sayid but that he did remember John Locke from the past and that John was different at that moment than the John he remembered.
In regards to Circus Mom’s post 552.. it’s certainly possible but something tells me that it is from the island in the past. Either…
a. Mikhail is lying and he has been on the island
previous to 11 years or has flashed also and been
around Locke in 1954.
or
b. We haven’t seen all the times that Locke has been
on the island yet. Maybe 316 crashes somewhere
between present time and 11 years ago when Mikhail
got to the island and that is when they met.
However, I thought Mikhail died in the looking
glass with the grenade/ charlie scene so that
creates several other issues.
In regards to post 526… my apologies I intermix the flight numbers alot…. maybe the it’s the flashes and the nosebleeds, lol.
Comment 555, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
BaileyLovesLost wrote:
Wow! Did you do all these posts at work? You must have a really nice boss!
Comment 556, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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because the oa6 are split into two groups arnt they?kate, hurley, jack……sun,frank,sayid and lock?
Comment 557, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
People have been commenting about Richard’s “nice clothes” vs. his shaggy clothes. I can’t help but think about last week’s episode when the new woman was asking Locke why he was dressed up so nice. He explained that he guessed that was what they were going to bury him in. I thought this conversation was odd because he wasn’t really dressed in an exceptional way for an airplane ride. It’s not like he was in a tuxedo or something. Seems curious to me.
As far as the the dead bodies, Alex wasn’t buried either. Maybe Ben just didn’t have time, but it always seemed significant to me.
Also, it seems odd to me that Horace brought Ben to the island if he was destined to be the leader of the Others. I am beginning to wonder if Richard manipulated Ben, Widmore, and Locke into thinking they are these special leaders when they are really just his puppets. Not sure about that – just a thought.
Final thought – we met a Rosie and a Paul this week. So now we have Rose and Rosie, Daniel and Danielle, Charles and Charlie, John and Jack, Paul and Paulo. Why so many people with similar names?
Comment 558, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Why were Ben and the Others dressed like medieval sersfs when they were holding Walt captive?
Comment 559, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Christie wrote:
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Perhaps there are parallel dimensions at play.
Comment 560, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
shells wrote:
They were in costume and Walt told Michael that. Later, Kate found some of the costumes. Don’t know WHY, but dressing like that was a choice, not a necessity.
: ) P
Comment 561, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Newbie wrote:
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THANKS!!!!!!! My point, if I remember correctly, is course correction=change. It just uses a different phrasing to say it. We all assume that what we have seen so far is the way it is suppossed to happen but we have been quite possibly misled and will now see events changed err course corrected.
Comment 562, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
Oh yeah, good catch.
Comment 563, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Now that is funny!!!!!!!! I swear I DO NOT even know who this person is but I do know that they appear to be very intelligent LOL.
Comment 564, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lola wrote:
I’m officially an unofficial spokesman for Team Widmore. Been thinking this for awhile now.
Comment 565, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
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PJSander wrote:
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It appears fairly new to me. The paper label is still intact. If you can find bottles that 815 people used the labels are worn or torn off and they just have a clear bottle. I do not think the label would last very long in those conditions.
Comment 567, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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So she was 22 years old at on 815. Thomas was not five to six years older than her. I read somewhere else someone thinks it may be Casaer but I DO NOT think this because he seemed Arab in decent and assuming Horace is the father then that baby is definately not Arab. LOL I am trying come up with a theory on who it is but haven’t gotten anything I feel comfortable guessing at at this time.
Comment 568, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Well D&C did say that Adam and Eve will be proof that they weren’t making this story up as they go. Someone else mentioned earlier that maybe they are hiding in the caves. Maybe they end up dying there and the Losties found their bones? Timeline issues?
Comment 569, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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That is what I took from Patchy’s conversation. He was going to say, in my opinion, that the JOhn Locke he knew was in a wheelchair.
Comment 570, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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I took it as, since he was the communications officer to the outside world. He was ‘informed’ that Locke was in a wheel chair when assembling Locke’s ‘file’. Not that he actually knew him.
Comment 571, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Either way. My point was that he had knowledge of John Locke being in a wheelchair as to what the rest of the conversation would have been had he finished his comment.
Comment 572, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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Yes, but there are implications if he actually knew him, as opposed to knowing about him.
Comment 573, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Agreed.
I think he knew him… rather than knowing about him.
We shall see.
What about the comment he made about Kate not being on
Jacob’s list?
Comment 574, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Hammer you are right. I was just speculating what he may have said next regardless of if he actually knew him or not as I do not believe that he did/does.
Comment 575, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy wrote:
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No clue what the significance of Jacob’s list is yet:
In “I Do”, Danny Pickett mentioned that “Shephard wasn’t even on Jacob’s list”.
In “Par Avion”, Mikhail states that Kate is not on the list because she is “flawed”; Sayid is not on the list because he is “weak and frightened”; and Locke is not on the list because he is angry.
Later, in “The Other Woman”, Ben doesn’t specifically say he is talking about Jacob’s list, but it is implied when he says “who are we to argue with who is on the list?” to Juliet in response to her concerns about taking Zach and Emma from the tail-section survivors.
Comment 576, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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Right on.
BTW the info I posted in 575 was from LP.
Comment 577, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy, I agree with duke and Hammer. I don’t think Mikhail knew any more about Locke than what was in his file. He said something like this:
“I remembered a John Locke but it must’ve been a different John Locke because the one I knew was para…”
but then he gets cut off by something.
I’m pretty sure he was going to say paralyzed because his file would have obviously said that Locke was in a wheelchair.
Doubt that there is more to it than that but no one knows for sure.
Comment 578, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy wrote:
No thanks! I have seen that one at least 8 times. I get the jist (or is it gist ) and do not agree with yours.:) Short and Sweet.
duke wrote:
Completely agree duke. Newbie is. Glad you got the joke:)
Comment 579, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
Right, because “the well” in 1974, was a filled-in well that Sawyer tried to jump down to find Locke. The Orchid was built near the well, filled-in or not, the Orchid equals Dharma.
lola wrote:
IMO, it’s obviously neither. Both have MURDERED people at the drop of a hat. We can’t believe ANYTHING Ben has ever said, and I don’t suspect Widmore being any different. Not much fact from either.
Comment 580, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Interesting from what we have been shown this year. He has resurrected himself, correct? Is that the right word? I am not too familiar with reincarnation, though. Maybe that is the proper term.
IMO, If you can resurrect yourself ( or reincarnate ), you shoud be on the list, right?. UNLESS, you are the one making it.
Comment 581, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Lostman wrote:
He actually said this, From S3E12:
MIKHAIL: Of course I don’t know you, Sayid Jarrah. How could I? And you, Kate Austen, are a complete stranger to me. But you John Locke, you I might have a fleeting memory of, but I must be confused, because the John Locke I know was paral—
The question is, what is a “fleeting memory”? Does that mean they ACTUALLY met?
Comment 582, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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hahahaha!!! Hi back !
May be you knew me another life brotha :)
ok, that was cheesy.
Comment 583, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
for more details plz visit here me
http://www.mastersmindtechnologies.com/smartbpojob
Comment 584, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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A ha, I remember that now that you mention it. So then there may be implications. According to their bios so far, they likely wouldn’t have ‘known’ each other. But if Mikhail was on a recruiting/peruading mission like Abaddon……hmmmmmm.
Comment 585, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
shells wrote:
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the french men were also dressed like that when they came out from under the temple !
Comment 586, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Okay, an excercise in futility. I decided to look at finishing Patchy’s word ‘para’ (I took off the l because I only heard p-a-r-a) outside the box of the obvious…paralyzed.
paracme (noun) : a point beyond the highest or strongest
parafied (adjective) : extreme fear
Just for funzies. :)
Comment 587, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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I disagree, their close were consistent with what folks would wear on research missions….prepared for rough conditions.
Comment 588, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
jaime wrote:
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It would also provide and answer for the “they don’t leave footprints” concept we’ve heard a few times. I’ve been thinking alot about that lately wondering if the others and time travel – if they are flashing through time, there’d be a serious lack of footprints – but the tunnel thing is really growing on me.
Comment 589, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Could be parasitic- maybe that cut on his eye got infected :)
Comment 590, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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Could the oostumes be to throw off any time travelers so they would not know what era they are in – not sure why – but sounds like a reason for all the trouble of wearing fake clothes…
Comment 591, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
katesFriend wrote:
I think we have to look at this statement in context though – I’m pretty sure (plz correct if wrong!) that, at that point, the other losties were not aware Locke was in a wheelchair prior to 815. And, the Mikhail’s words aren’t so much literal, as instead a way to let the losties know he’s got the 411 on them in a mocking, sarcastic way.
Comment 592, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Missy wrote:
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I’m not saying that the tunnels theory is invalid. But, wouldn’t the DHARMA folks know about ‘holes’ in their campus grounds…or is their camp really big?
Comment 593, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I’ve wondered this too. Why, after actively searching the grounds for 3 years, haven’t Sawyer et al found the tunnel entrances, let alone the rest of the 815ers. Wouldn’t the tunnel entrances eventually be found by SOMEBODY??? Maybe Dharma DOES know, and is trying to find a way of exploiting them themselves. Ben eventually did (or so it seems), when he went into his secret closet and (possibly) went into the tunnel system to release smokey.
Comment 594, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
We know there are SOME tunnels, just not how many and where they go. However, regarding the ‘holes’ you mentioned, it might be that the entryways to the tunnels are hidden like the “back” entrance to the hatch was.
: ) P
Comment 595, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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I meant the theory that, that is how Alpert got past the fences…not that they may not exist.
Comment 596, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
I believe that they will have found B&R (see post 536). However, I am curious what other 815ers you are expecting? As far as I could tell, the rest of the survivors of O815 have perished.
Which brings me to something I found interesting – of the principal characters in our story, we have more who were NOT on O815 than on:
O815: Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Sayid, Locke, Sawyer
not O815: Juliet, Ben, Miles, Daniel, Frank, Desmond, Penny, Widmore, Mrs. Hawking
: ) P
Comment 597, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Thank you, I was about to post it as well. Anyways, I am used to getting shot down so I was debating keeping it to myself.
I also think that we have not seen the exact date on the island when 816 crashed. Correct me if I am wrong, but I still think they could be somewhere before or after the real timeline off of the island. I know Mikhail’s comment of 11 years on island and Horrace’s comment of ‘I have been dead for 12 years’ point to real time being the same as island time. That is only true, however, if we know that the purge occurred in 1992 for sure. If we do not know that date for sure and we are guestimating it, than all bets are off.
I think that when we find out when 315 crashed it might shed light on 816 as well.
Comment 598, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Seems like Dharma was ‘under construction’ for most of the 70′s, maybe well into the 80′s. The tunnels didn’t have to be completely connected under the barracks when Alpert walked in (’74)… they just needed to be far enough along to get under the sonic fence. Jughead may have been the catalyst to start tunnel digging, or to continue ancient tunneling.
That may also explain the rare glimpse of the filthy ‘simple’ clothing – “thems muh diggin’ clothes.”
Comment 599, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
sorry I mixed up 815 and 316 again..
Comment 600, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
I think Alpert just meant that the sonic fence could not keep them out. Not because of some tunnel, but because a simple sonic fence can’t really hurt someone like him- whatever he is.
Comment 601, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Hmmmm…I guess they are telling us the story is about the island and not the survivors? LOL
When is spring? I must be coming down with cabin fever. ;)
Comment 602, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Cool. Juliet fans unite! I’m glad to see Sawyer and Juliet together. Seems like a true loving relationship. Sawyer and Kate—only passion, then what? Hope Sawyer thinks about that as he’s reunited with Kate. Jules has truly become one of my favoites. She stepped aside for Kate and Jack. She probably would even step aside for Sawyer and Kate if she saw that coming. She saved the losties from the sonic fence. At least she thought. I think she’s had a good heart all along, just wound up manipulated by Ben for a while but came to her senses. Sawyer has really grown in character, too.
blah, blah, blah….okay hope we do see what happened to the original native islanders and how dharma began. Also, I think whatever happened between the 50′s and 70′s is important. Time of Widmore’s rise?
Alpert…who and or what is he?
Comment 603, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
I’m not sure why there has to be a theory on how Alpert got past the fences. All he needed was some earplugs, like Amy.
Comment 604, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Good enough for me. :)
Comment 605, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Remembering, of course, that we just saw Christian and Locke in, what appeared to be, a naturally formed underground tunnel (vs. man-made) that led to the wheel room.
Comment 606, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Well…ears plugs AND the knowledge that the fence was on a low setting. Otherwise the DHARMA folk would have earplugs as standard issue and not need to get them out of the lock box.
Comment 607, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Yes, I read your post 536 but I’m not sure I agree with you – yet! I am also not sure that ALL the remaining 815ers (except for Rose and Bernard) are necessarily dead. I was pretty surprised when the flaming arrows came, how many of them were still around then! They may not have ALL died, we just don’t know.
You are right, though, that it is interesting that the characters have shifted from Others vs 815ers, to a complete mix and match.
Comment 608, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy wrote:
In the S2 Finale, Desmond shows Locke the prinout from pushing the numbers in the Pearl which confirms the date of the crash. IMO.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:2x23_That%27sNotGood.jpg
Comment 609, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
This one has been bugging me. Were Sawyer’s comments to keep Juliette on the island the writers way of saying that she can’t take the sub back to ‘real’ 1970′s because there would be a yound and old Juliette in the same time? Which is why some here have suggested that Ben didn’t travel to the 70′s on island because he would have a yound and old ‘him’ then.
Comment 610, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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I believe that is the date in the real world time. That computer could have been ticking away at real world time just as well as it could have been on island time. The fact that it was on the island doesn’t mean anything. I can set my watch or my computer to any time I choose. We have not had any subtext or direct confirmation of island time yet for the period after the 815 crash. I believe that is for a reason. Unless someone remembers something that I don’t.
The fact that the freighter time or Desmond calling Penny fits into the real world time picture does not change anything either. The freighter and Penny are after all from and in real world time. Hence the fact that the freighter disappeared for sawyer and juliet. Not to mention the fact that they had to constantly use the right bearing to go between the freighter and the island.
Comment 611, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy wrote:
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I have a thought. The rocket that Dan had sent from the freighter was off my minutes, not years, hours or even days. So I think that the island was on it’s way to time issues, but when the plane crashed…it was sync’d up with the real world.
Comment 612, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
OMG, I didn’t think I would EVER get here, but 602 posts later…it’s not like everyone said everything there is to say about this episode, yet, is it? LOL–I’m sure I can find something to throw into the very large mix!!!
re:498–PJ’s zombie season–now that was funny!!!
re: 508, Ben & Annie–i could see that if something happened to Annie, that might be the catalyst for Ben’s complicity in the Purge-but I still think you have to have that inner twist to make that decision. Also, there’s the whole bit of Alpert playing to Ben’s need to be special–creating an us v. them in the young Ben’s mind.
re:521–Flyboy:
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I think it’s safe to say that the Purge is one of those ‘what happened, happened’ events–but with some huge Qs now. I mean that we saw Ben participate, we saw the aftermath, and we saw the open grave with bodies in it–well, we don’t know who the other bodies might be, but we know that Horace was one of them. So we know that it happened. Unless that Rule we were given about Time can be changed by Desmond or some other circumstance, the Dharma folks are going to be killed.
So, are any of the O6 going to be with them when the end comes? How did the truce end, and who caused that to happen? Jack? Daniel, trying to circumvent Charlotte’s death in spite of what he knows can and can’t be changed?
I do think we’re going to circle back to the season opener, and we’ll know what Daniel means to do down there in the Orchid–for the good of all or the good of Charlotte??? Don’t know.
Best, Liz
Comment 613, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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not the alive ones ,the ones that were on the ground on the beach ,that i think danielle had shot.
Comment 614, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
re:553–the cute Richard Alpert–
I have to say i think he’s ‘cute’ too–did anyone see him in The Tick? Batmanuel. verrrry funny.
–Liz
Comment 615, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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Sorry, I just disagree that their clothes changed or look ancient. :)
Comment 616, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Also, is anyone (else) going to be bummed if this all circles back to the Purge, and that ends up being the War that’s coming (acc’d to Widmore)?
BTW–also like Juliet & Sawyer–
re: tunnels–d’ya think Juliet might know more about these that the rest? She was an Other for 3 years. If there are secrets beneath the barracks, she might have some ideas about them.
Also, she has to know what’s coming, you figure, unless they left the Purge off the travel brochure.
-Liz
Comment 617, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
I think Juliet knew alot, but probably not the tunnels. In 2004, she and Kate fled the smoke monster and had to come through the sonic fence the old fashioned way. Ben may have turned smokie loose on them.
Plus when they were going in with Amy in 1974 and got zapped… she could have said – I know another way in. Or she was “told” the tunnels had not been built yet.
I think Juliet knows about most of the above ground stuff, and stations. I think the Alperts, Mikhails, Klughs and Tom Friendly types know about all of the ancienty-things and island bonus-extras. They had the ‘need to know’ jobs over more than a decade. Juliet only had the fertility issue job for three years.
Comment 618, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy wrote:
Flyboy, please understand that I don’t think anyone is shooting “you” down. Sometimes we can take debate personally, but you ought not. People might be shooting down your THEORY, but not you! You have some great contributions, so don’t hold back! Please!
Flyboy wrote:
The flight left Sydney on 9/22/2004. Depending on what TIME of day they departed, they may have crashed on the 22nd or the 23rd.
Are you suggesting that the “time” they landed might have been the 1990′s, for example? Definitely possible, but given the rocket experiment, it is more likely that they just crashed thirty odd minutes early (which is remarkable – a flight “landing” early! LOL). But, that doesn’t explain the doctor washing up on shore HOURS before he was murdered.
: ) P
Comment 619, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
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Still, Juliet shrank away from the window when she saw Alpert walking up. She hadn’t met him yet in 1974, so she shouldn’t have been worried about him recognizing her, but she acted as though he WOULD. Richard didn’t seem to already know Locke when they met in the army camp, but I think Juliet knows something about Alpert that made her think he might know her. Perhaps something had changed since 1952 and Juliet knows what it was. I never have thought that she has come clean on everything she knows.
Comment 620, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
As far as island time being materially different from “real world” time, didn’t the Press conference for the O6 pretty much confirm that the time spent on the island was in line with what was going on in the real world?
Also in the last ep. it seems that writers are going out of their way to show that 3 years on island=3 years off island.
Comment 621, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Tunnels- I am not getting why people seem to assume that Alpert used a tunnel to get to the Dharma baracks, or that there are tunnels to get around (or in this case under) the fence. I took his statement that they could not be kept out by the fence to mean that a sonic fence just was not able to keep them out- as in it could not harm them no matter what setting it was on. (because it only works on those that are living in the everyday sense?)
Also, I will go on record saying that I do trust Juliette. I do not think she is a bad person in any way. She might have lived with the Others for three years, but it was more as a prisoner than as one of them.
Another thing, while Ben was the inside man for the Purge, I do not think he was necesserily the master-mind behind it. Unless I missed that part. So I’m not sure whether anything (like Annie’s death as I have read here several times) had to set him off.
Comment 622, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
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Not that this confirms it, but there was a scene where Locke told Hurley that Ben was ‘what happened’ to the Dhamites in the pit…Ben didn’t deny it.
Comment 623, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
RGS wrote:
Yes. And I agree with you.
Except that three years on the island can equal three years off the island and it still be a different time period. The O815 crashed on 9/22/04 and the O6 was rescued 108 days later. I think what other posters are saying is that those 108 days didn’t HAVE to take place in 2004 and early 2005. FWIW, I think it did, but I am just throwing it out there.
: ) P
Comment 624, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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FROM S4E11, Cabin Fever.
HURLEY: Well, if the Others didn’t wipe out the DHARMA Initiative–
BEN: They did wipe them out, Hugo, but it wasn’t my decision.
HURLEY: Then whose was it?
BEN: Their leader’s.
Of course, as we know, Ben is a liar, so who knows if he was telling the truth.
Comment 625, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
RGS wrote:
Yes, another good point. I always thought the island time was the same as real world time, even when O815 crashed on Sept. 22, 2004. I didn’t think there were any time differences until Desmond turned the fail-safe.
Comment 626, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Wow, I guess I’m out of that debate then. I agree with you and I am pretty sure this will be CONFIRMED when we find out the identity of Amy’s baby. At least, if it is who I think it is. Maybe not the EXACT date, but relatively close to the same time period. Time is all relative.:)
Comment 627, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
If it didn’t take place in ’04-’05, the theory would be that it took place later than that correct? It wouldn’t have taken place between the purge and the crash of 815 because of Horace’s time of death, Desmond landing on the island and pushing the button, and, as been mentioned previously, the whole time frame reference with “The Constant.”
It wouldn’t have taken place much later because of the crash of 316. If the island time for the 815 was say, 2011-2014, what would be the significance and/or what is the theory as to why that would come into play?
Comment 628, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
RGS, I am not really *in* the debate, I was only showing how the 108 days could have been another time. Until I know more, I don’t think I want to even speculate on that one. At this point, I am not even sure the person who originally brought up the timeline is still IN the debate, nor am I sure which crash he or she was saying was in a different timeline. So… I am just going to stay out of this one now. Sorry if my getting in the middle muddled things up!
: ) P
Comment 629, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Missy wrote:
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I took the clothes/fake beards etc. as being a disguise so that the losties wouldn’t know that they were living comfortably in houses with running water and laudry facilities and things like this. Nothing more than to deceive them into believing that they were nomads just like the rundown village that Michael claimed was were they lived. It was a rouse to trick them into believing that they were hard up. IMO.
Comment 630, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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During the orchid video Chang freaks out about the bunnies being too close together. They could exist in the same time but maybe they just cannot get too close or it will disrupt/kill/blow them up whatever.
Comment 631, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
comments 629+ Did you jump in time? It says your quotes are from 1year + ago? Are you on island time now?
Comment 632, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
Oh mylanta, that is totally freaky! LOL.
: ) P
Comment 633, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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Its called a rift.
Comment 634, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
mcotter wrote:
What do you think of Horace getting a nosebleed while he was building the cabin and talking to locke?? I thought it was weird when it happened, but that was before we had any knowledge of the time travel nosebleeds.
Comment 635, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
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I SAW IT AND NOW ITS GONE!
Comment 636, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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Whatever it is called. I think you all understand what I am trying to say. THey could exist in the same time but if they got too close it would cause a RIFT.
Comment 637, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I couldn’t agree more with Lola in Comment 553…Sawyer is becoming a more heroic figure because he has been moved to do so by his love for Kate.
From Comment 581, concerning exactly what Mikhail says to Locke, I think if you dissect the language the likely meaning is that he indeed knew more of Locke than just what he knew in the file. If he had only known Locke from the file, it doesn’t make sense that he would have jokingly told Sayid and Kate he didn’t know who they were, yet go out of his way to mention that he remembered Locke fleetingly. We don’t know how, but he knew of him somehow irrespective of the file, IMO.
I don’t think Juliet is a bad person or evil, but I do have a gut feeling that she is hiding something. I’ve felt that since first watching her be introduced to the show. I think we will see a major revelation from her soon.
One final thing: this talk of “rifts” makes me think of that Van-Damme movie “TimeCop”, where they say that the same matter can’t occupy the same space, and at the end the senator dude implodes and whacks himself because his older self comes back to the past and physically touches his younger self. Could this be a first…a Van-Damme reference on a “Lost” blog? LOL.
Comment 638, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Comment 639, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy wrote:
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Sorry I hope that fixes my messed up quoting job above.
Comment 640, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
RGS wrote:
Comment 641, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
LizS wrote:
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Another thing that struck me about Juliet was the surety and immediacy with which she shot the other in the scene where Amy had the bag over her head. Its like she knew those others and knew that they were dangerous and had to take them down. She didn’t flinch before she shot them and the fact that Sawyer looked so surprised when she did may be hinting that Juliet had some prior knowledge of something.
Comment 642, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Sorry, the commenting got mixed up so I;m just going to post this with all my comments after the quote.
LizS wrote:
About the purge: Yes!! That will be quite the anti-climax. The way Darlton have played things up, the war has to be something cataclysmic/apocalyptic, and must have bigger implications than just a purge that wipes out a few people on an unknown island that can’t even stay put.
I like Juliet and Sawyer too. I didn’t like it when Kate slapped Sawyer in S4. And why did he take that? Afterall, he did have a point..she keeps bouncing from one target to another.
Another thing that struck me about Juliet was the surety and immediacy with which she shot the other in the scene where Amy had the bag over her head. Its like she knew those others and knew that they were dangerous and had to take them down. She didn’t flinch before she shot them and the fact that Sawyer looked so surprised when she did may be hinting that Juliet had some prior knowledge of something.
Comment 643, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy, honey…
Repeat after me:
Eight FIFTEEN
Three SIXTEEN
8 – 15
3 – 16
You’re going to need an intervention! LOL.
But as long as we’re on the topic, can anyone think of a GOOD reason why it is THREE sixteen and not FOUR?
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
: ) P
Comment 644, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Oooops, remembered that wrong…should have looked it up first.
Comment 645, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
hlcfym wrote:
FWIW, I believe that the purge gas cause the nose bleed. IMO it was not TD from time travel.
Comment 646, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
The bible reference? JOHN 3:16. I was hoping someone was going to kick a long field goal and hold up a sign.:)
Comment 647, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
I only remembered that scene beacause, at the time, I suggested Ben said leaders’ ( plural ) and not leader’s. They do sound the same. After watching S3E4, Every Man for Himself, on the WB last night. I found this exchange reminding me of my original thought, that there is more than one “leader”.
JACK: You work for him?
JULIET: No, I don’t work for him.
JACK: He’s in charge.
JULIET: Well, it doesn’t work that way over here, Jack. We make decisions together.
JACK: Really? Because when I was holding that broken plate at your neck he seemed happy to just let you die. I mean, it felt like he made that decision on his own.
JULIET: You don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t answer to him.
Comment 648, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I woke up this morning with a nosebleed from “skipping” ahead an hour last night.:)
Comment 649, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
i re-watched the episode, faraday is in the house that sawyer and juliet goes in when alpert shows up, he’s standing by the door. However, when horace comes in to ask sawyer where the buried bodies are, he’s not to be seen when the camera pans the house
Comment 650, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lola wrote:
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That was likley ’74. We haven’t seen him yet in ’77….IMO.
Comment 651, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Okay. Ponderous. If there are leaders leading together as you have proposed, then maybe Ben wasn’t who exiled Widmore…but a group decision?
Comment 652, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
I do! LOL
Comment 653, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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But Widmore said I was exhiled by HIM. I think one him but not Ben.
Comment 654, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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If miles is the baby that we saw in the season opener then there are either two of him or he hasn’t been born yet.
Comment 655, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
Not sure if I believe Widmore’s statements. He also claimed the island was his back in 1954 as a 17 year-old.
Comment 656, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Remembering that Juliet had her little island trial and was branded. I wonder if Widmore has a ho-tag on his lower back?
Comment 657, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
That’s a rather “creative” approach. But after watching it just now, it simply boils down to…
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Saw: You got my back?
Jul: Yes.
Saw: Put the gun down (to bad guy)!
BGuy: …(bad guy raises pistol and starts to point it at Sawyer)…
Jul: (shoots bad guy before he shoots Sawyer – thereby satisfying the agreed upon small team tactical contract known as – ‘got my back’.)
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Comment 658, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
LostJunkie wrote:
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exactly !i think it was einstien or newton or some one…..who said it originally
Comment 659, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Only just watched ‘lafleur’ The statue has pyjama,s and ugg boots on !
Comment 660, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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Maybe, but I think Widmore is less than truthful.
Comment 661, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Interjecting about the scene itself… perhaps in this case, Ben was happy to let Jack “kill” Juliet because he knew that Juliet would live. Hammer, you’ve mentioned you think that “Ben always has a plan” because the Whisperers tell him what to do. Perhaps this was in play back then?
: ) P
Comment 662, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I am looking at the time and course correction like this.
There is a actual true, or Real Life Time (RLT). Right now on the show that time is a day or two after flight 316 crashed. Everyone that is with Locke is in that real time. Anything that happened before that date in 2008 already happened and can’t change. This means all the time traveling happened and everything associated with it. The purge, the crash of 815, The O6 returning to the “real world”. Nothing they do in the past will change what we have seen because it all has happened before the current RLT.
Course correction happens only in the future, relative to the event it is correcting. If Charlie was supposed to get hit by lightning and die and Desmond stops it then something else will happen minutes, days, weeks later to kill Charlie. No one will go to a time before it happened and stop Desmond from saving Charlie. It already happened in RLT.
RLT is the farthest time in the future that we are shown. Right now it is 2008. If we had seen a RLT and everything that had happened to that point would have already happened. We may not have seen it yet.
Sawyer and his group can change nothing before 2008 but what they do now can affect anything after real time, or post 2008.
Dose this make any sense?
Comment 663, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
Nice explanation! That’s the way I see it, for now, CM.
Comment 664, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Now I’m gonna have to read that theory, AGAIN.:) Good thing there is a thread for it.
Comment 665, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
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I would not doubt Widmore having a mark. Juliet got hers for killing Pickett. I can’t remember if she was quick on the trigger that time or not?
Comment 666, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
katesFriend wrote:
Comment 667, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
The bible reference? JOHN 3:16. I was hoping someone was going to kick a long field goal and hold up a sign.:)
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Neither John 3:16, nor Luke 3:16 were particularly relevant to the episode, IMO. It may be that D&C chose 316 so that we LOSTaholics would THINK that the bible passage is the way they were going and throw us OFF of a possible flight number thought process.
Still, given their affection for using the Valenzetti numbers at every turn, I am surprised they didn’t incorporate them SOME how! LOL.
: ) P
Comment 668, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I didn;t understand why sayid was allowed on the plane even though he was supossed to be incarcerated. And how the hell do you get an unidentified dead body on a plane going out of the country no questions asked?
Comment 669, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
10times wrote:
You must have missed some of the show? hmmm… no? Sayid, a non-US national, was being escorted by law enforcement on Ajira. That’s WHY he was allowed on the plane – not sure if he was being extradited or deported though. Locke in the box was identified and questions were asked. Dr. Jack wasn’t family, but had custody of the body. He was escorting it, not to a receiving funeral home or cemetary, but in accordance with the deceased wishes. (like – A Weekend at Bernie’s).
Comment 670, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Good call….if that theory holds water. :)
Comment 671, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
MysticEye wrote:
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Ha-ha. I read very fast during my breaks and lunch :-)
Comment 672, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
BaileyLovesLost wrote:
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Lostaholic rule #1….never tell your boss about the awesome LOST blog you post at. LOL.
Comment 673, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Too funny. I love this blog. I don’t post much, but I read this blog a lot and think the theories are great!
Instead of all of the underground tunnel theories (which I think are really good), couldn’t Alpert have just climbed over the sonic fence like Kate, Jack and whoever else it was did in S3? I think they pushed Mikhail threw it and “thought” he died, and then they made a bridge-type thing and climbed up and over the fence and then they saw Jack playing football with the Others. Am I remembering this correctly?
Now that my lunch break is over, I probably won’t be on here again until tonight :-)
Comment 674, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I agree with Hammer. If you go back and take a close look at when they first arrived and then when they are killed by Rousseau they have the exact same clothing on. They been on the island for enough time that their clothes are very very dirty, that’s all.
Comment 675, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Now we know that BaileyLovesLost (or someone posting as Bailey) posted on the blog, but we don’t KNOW that Bailey read all the posts.
We do know that Bailey’s boss was reading the posts or they wouldn’t have found Bailey’s. That is if MysticEye really is Bailey’s boss and not trying to mislead us.
Comment 676, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
I don’t think they were throwing us off at all. IMO. I think JOHN 3:16 is an obivous reference to Locke, although it was shown in the next episode, Locke being alive again on the island. Didn’t they say that those 2 episodes could have been aired in either order?
Comment 677, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
i watched “special” lastnight…season one…and it’s the one with walt studying the australian birds, and he said:
“Who cares about birds of Australia, anyway? We’re in Australia….Shouldn’t we be studying birds of Egypt or something?”
EGYPT!! clues have been there all along!
i nearly sharted.
Comment 678, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
One of my top 5 favorite Lost episodes ever. So well done…
Comment 679, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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Recently saw that on Sci-fi and thought the same thing.:)
Comment 680, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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I watched a re-run of “Man of Science, Man of Faith” recently. It’s the one where Jack meets Desmond in the stadium. I swear Desmond KNEW Jack already. Listening to their conversation, it seems like Des is saying soooo much more than what he is actually saying.
Comment 681, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
Locke was “risen” or “resurrected” or even reincarnated. But none of those things relates directly to John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Looking at it literally, that would make Ben “the father” since he “gave” Locke to the world (the island) by killing him. Even if you look at Locke’s attempted suicide, the most you can get from it is self-sacrifice. If you want to step back further and say that Alpert, who told Locke he had to die, is the “father” we might be getting somewhere in the reference.
1 Corinthians 15:4 is better suited to our story: that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. And it even uses two of our Valenzetti numbers. But that passage isn’t nearly as famous as John 3:16.
So while I agree that there is a loose reference, I still believe that 316 was intended to lead us down a path OTHER than to a flight number.
: ) P
Comment 682, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Sawyer, Jack, Hurley and Kate were the 4 singled out by Ben when he had Michael betray the losties in order to save Walt. He wanted those 4 specifically brought back to him.
He personally knew them from before because in the 70s they will all be part of Dharma. So not counting Ben and Locke, this leaves Sayid, Sun, Jin and Frank as the only other 4 to have left and come back (technically Jin did leave the island when he went to the freighter)
We know that they cannot change the future so they will either escape the purge or die in it like everyone else. However, we have no precedent of anyone leaving the island and losing all recollection of it unless you are physically dead when you leave. So my guess is that all 4 (or 8) will die in/before rather than escape the purge.
So my theory is: If you leave it alive you never forget about it but if you die on the island and somehow get shipped out, you could come back to life but you lose all recollection of ever being there.
1. If island-time is (equal to) outside-world-time then when you die, you die regardless of where you are.
2. If island-time is (pre) outside-world-time and you die on it then you get sent back, you re-live your life like normal with zero recollection of the island. This is the state we find our losties in today. The trick here is this, if you die on the island in an altered timeframe (being in the 70s when you really wasn’t supposed to be) and get shipped back to the real world, you wake up where you were originally. Which would explain what will happen in the future to the original lot. If they all die in the purge and someone sends them back out, they will wake up and pick off just before the original flight.
3. If island-time is (ahead) outside-world-time then if you get sent back out, dead or alive, you are alive and can never die in the real world. Like Michael because we were told that he could not die off the island. When he was sent back, the island-time was probably ahead of outside-world-time i.e. he and Walt must die on the island to ever die. The reason why I think the island skipped forward in time when Michael and Walt left, was probably caused by the hatch blowing when Desmond turned the key. During all the flashes of the island, I do not believe that we have seen a single case for forward skipping in time, always backwards.
Now the true key here is really Aaron because he was born on the island so his time will always be island-time regardless of where he goes. If Kate had brought him back, he would have disappeared from existence because he was never yet born. People born on the island will never age ala Richard Alpert and Aaron (when he comes back).
This also brings us back to Christian Shephard, he was a body on flight 815 and he too comes back to some visible form which supports the theory that the island was running (pre) outside-world time, so technically Christian had not died yet based on island time so he comes back to life for as long as it takes for the island to catch up to outside world time, then he dies. That state qualifies him as a bit unique which explains his special abilities. Same would explain Yemi or Eko’s brother, he too died on the drug plane flight from his wounds, slightly ahead of island time which made him visible to Eko with a heightened state.
Comment 683, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
You are taking the passage word for word. I am not. I am relating it to the everlasting life part, the loose reference. I don’t think they used the Corinthian one because as you said, it is not as popular. Also Locke was never buried so how would that relate? IMO, it was them foreshadowing what was to happen.
Comment 684, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
Comment 685, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
maybe wrote:
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exellent theory.
Comment 686, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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b – sorry, misspoke. 815′ers not tailies
c – or more specifically, after 1974 and before 1977 (since we didn’t see him in 77 yet?)
Comment 687, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
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Ha-ha. I read very fast during my breaks and lunch :-)
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Lostaholic rule #1….never tell your boss about the awesome LOST blog you post at. LOL.
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Now we know that BaileyLovesLost (or someone posting as Bailey) posted on the blog, but we don’t KNOW that Bailey read all the posts.
We do know that Bailey’s boss was reading the posts or they wouldn’t have found Bailey’s. That is if MysticEye really is Bailey’s boss and not trying to mislead us.
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Whoever “MysticEye” is, I’m thinking they think I am someone else. But it is a little creepy :-P
And no one has been pretending to be me and posting under my name. All the posts are from me!
I can’t wait until the new episode!
This is a little off subject, but has anyone played LOST video game for PS3? I know it’s been out for awhile, but I just got it – and beat it very quickly. They need to come out with a new updated game once the show is over. (Though I can’t imagine the show being over, it makes me sad!)
To add my two cents on the Sawyer/Juliet/Kate/Jack thing. I actually think I am content with the idea that Sawyer and Juliet are together and happy. I just don’t know if it will last now that Kate is back. And though I did read all of the posts, I don’t remember seeing this….. are we sure that Sawyer was talking about Kate when he was saying “Is three years long enough to get over somebody… Yes it is.” Or however he worded it. Could he have been referring to Cassidy when he said that he ‘let them go?’
Comment 688, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Im confused. Is the Hydra station on the smaller island? That is also where the cages and the polar bears where right? Also is that the same place that the Dharma housing is? In the opening scene it showed those 2 guys watching the tv screens and the one guy joked about the polar bear escaping. So how come they did not hear the plane land? Locke and everyone else is in the year 2008? and the other people (Sawyer, Jack, Horace Etc…) are in 1977 when the episode ended? So they are in the exact same place but different times?
Comment 689, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
LOST for Dummies – by Tarzan
Tarzan make new swim big island.
Walk on beach to trees when bright light make Tarzan take long sand nap.
Tarzan wake to find red body water come from face.
He also wake to see giant statue of older brother, George.
Island natives like George best, George die many moon cycles ago.
Tarzan not always liked by natives.
Native Chief Richard Alpert always tell Tarzan go away.
One time, Tarzan throw knife, kill native man trying to kill science girl.
Something not right Tarzan world when look for tall mango trees and water.
Tall trees very small like baby mango tree.
Hole in ground with water – all fill with dirt.
Tarzan see many new island faces, not all are happy.
Yellow hair man and yellow hair woman make happy talk like love birds.
Tarzan think they make yellow hair baby one day soon.
Tarzan head for safety in caves, no want red body water come from ears when walk past empty science trees.
… Tarzan also think brown hair woman just arrive – make hard time for yellow hair man.
Comment 690, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I have been up all night researching . .and my opinion on the statue is . pre inca / myan .Tiwanaka to be prescise. It was the trousers on, with the skirt that set me thinkin.I was reading something which mentions ‘the removel of toes and heels of statues by archeologists,I dont think the image we saw that, sayid ,sun and jin saw from the boat of the four toed foot,belongs to the statue we saw in ‘lafleur’Its different archeological art.any inca myan experts among us?
Comment 691, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Kathy P wrote:
Yes.
Kathy P wrote:
No.
Comment 692, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
Even so, R&B, as far as I can tell, are the only O815 passengers LEFT on the island (other than Sawyer and Jin). I suppose there may be a few red shirts wandering in the jungle with R&B, but if there are, it is only because they will perish in a future plot line! LOL.
: ) P
Comment 693, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Kathy P wrote:
No.
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It did not seem like it took those guys very long to get from where they were stationed to Sawyers place after they saw horace blowing up trees. Maybe that is why im confused. It just seems like everything is close togeather. Hydra station, housing, cages all on the small island.
Now we have Locke, The plane and the new group on the same small island but different times?
Comment 694, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Completely agree…however Jin specifically said “our people”…which to me means R&B + soon-to-be-dead redshirts, not John Locke.
Comment 695, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
I am not an expert in Incan or Mayan civilization, but I think that Tiwanaka is a PLACE not a GOD, of which a statue would be made. Also, the statues in those civilizations were not as lifelike as the back of the statue in Lafleur.
You could be correct that the statue we saw in Lafleur is not 4TS. It isn’t as if we haven’t been thrown red-herrings before! I am sure that D&C get a chuckle out of us traveling down the various rabbit trails they have left for us. Like the thorn in Sawyer’s toe. They had to put that in just to make the fans go nuts making the connection between that and 4TS!
That’s why things like “Teresa” in England, and 316 and Horace’s baby aren’t ALWAYS some meaningful connection to the story. Sometimes, they have to put stuff in there (just to make us crazy and) to throw us off the main trail. If they ONLY put in stuff that was 100% relevant to the overall story-arc, it would become far too obvious over time.
JMO,
: ) P
Comment 696, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Kathy P wrote:
The two guys and the girl with the brownies were on the main island where the barracks are. Horace was on the main island.
Hydra station and cages are on the small island. If there ARE barracks there, we haven’t seen them. (There was a ferry that went between the two islands.)
A316 landed/crashed on the small island with Locke and Ben. Kate, Hurley and Jack flashed to the big island.
: ) P
Comment 697, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Comment 698, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Kathy P wrote:
The BARRACKS, or Dharma housing is located on the Big Island as is the Orchid/well, the 4TS, the Temple, Smokey, etc. The Hydra, cages, and presumably r—-y are on the small island, where 316 Sully-landed.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Barracks
Comment 699, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I like maybe’s theory @ #682, too!
Comment 700, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
I have! I think each person takes different things away from the podcasts, just as they do the episodes! LOL.
: ) P
Comment 701, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Tiwanaku1.jpg
Comment 702, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
This is just my opinion but i really think the statue is going to be of someone we know from the show. I like all the ideas of the different gods people have researched and belive me i have done some myself however we have to remember that we are some seriouse lost lovers, but there are alot of people that just watch the show to watch it and dont think so deeply about it like we do. So i doubt its going to be some god that half the people that watch the show wont know anything about. they are going to go for the big shock of all of us seeing it and knowing who it is (someone on the island) just my opinion though
Comment 703, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Jesus, God’s only begotten son, died at the hands of others as well as Locke did. Others fit in nicely there didn’t it. LOL. This is how I took the episode. Jesus was killed and so, in my opinion, Locke couldn’t commit suicide someone had to kill him (like someone on here metioned maybe he couldn’t have committed suicide if he did end up stepping off the table). I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT LOCKE IS BEN’S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
Comment 704, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
so if we think along the lines of it being someone we know who will it be???? any ideas
Comment 705, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
maybe wrote:
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If we are to believe Daniel’s claim that what happened happened then the Losties cannot die in the purge because it did not happen because we saw them alive in 2008. If you buy into this notion then there is NO WAY that they will die during those events or what we have seen over the past 4 plus seasons could have never happened. I do not believe that the losties were ORIGINALLY there in the past therefore they may perish in the purge or some other kind of war that Widmore mentions.
Comment 706, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Post 682
The island obviously skipped ahead in time when the group found the outriggers with the Ajira water bottles inside.
Comment 707, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
maybe wrote:
I do like your theory, on a whole, but I have to disagree with this point. While skipping through time, Sawyer and co. stumbled onto 2 outriggers at the beach with an Airja water bottle in one. From what we have seen, so far, I would have to assume this is the future.
maybe wrote:
So if Aaron came back 5 years after he was born on the island, would he always be 5? I think this point will be refuted once we find out the identity of the baby.
Comment 708, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Agreed PJ. That’s why things that may seem meaningless to you, may not be to others.:) And I think we will see Teresa again, to help explain more of Faraday; and I think Baby Horace will be important somehow.
Comment 709, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Amber wrote:
Who do you guess it to be?
Comment 710, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
Sorry Duke. Was busy cutting and copying the post at the same time you wrote yours. I agree, that had to be the future.
Comment 711, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
I think that statue has 5 toes.
Comment 712, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
GMTA Leah, that statue is located IN Tiwanaku (Bolivia) not a statue OF Tiwanaku. It resides on an ancient temple ground of Kalasasaya, which was used by a civilization that pre-dates the Incas by over a thousand years.
Plus that statue doesn’t look anything LIKE our 4TS! LOL
: ) P
Comment 713, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
To be fair, I didn’t say that these things were meaningLESS I just said: [they] aren’t ALWAYS some meaningful connection to the story.
Because, along with Sawyer’s toe injury, there are going to be some information that is given to us JUST to throw us off the scent. I was picking three things that I think may be among those “scent throwers” like Sawyer’s toe.
ANY of those things COULD be meaningful, I agree.
: ) P
Comment 714, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
maybe wrote:
Then why didn’t he ask for Sawyer, and Jin since they were in the 70′s longer. Jack, Kate and Hurley came later.
maybe wrote:
Miles seems to have lost all recolection of being on the island as a child.
maybe wrote:
What proof do we have that this has ever occured?
maybe wrote:
I would say that most of this has no proof except that there has been forward skipping in time.
maybe wrote:
If people born on the island never age than how did Alpert become a adult and Aaron grow as a baby and eventually reach age 3?
maybe wrote:
I can see something here to think about.
I son’t want to discourage you. Please give me your arguments and try and convince me.
Comment 715, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I believe all of the Losties will die within the next couple of years (at least before the plane crash of the first ever episode of LOST). Some might die in the upcoming “war” some are talking about happening, and others I believe will be killed by Ben in his mass murder… If my theory is wrong then wouldnt the Losties have run into themselves on the island by now? Any of them leaving the island again doesnt make any sense at all since they are in the 70s and have no lives to go back to. They all will die and everything will circle back to everything happening again… Although I could be wrong since LOST is known for unexpected twists! It seems the only thing certain to happen is the opposite of whatever people expect & write on this blog! hahaha.
Bad Robot!
Comment 716, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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The more I think about it, the more likely I think it is that the statue will turn out to be someone we know. I was thinking Juliet, and that Goodwin’s wife was referring to HER when she told Juliet that “you remind him (Ben) of her”. However, the statue seems to be from much earlier in the past than our LOSTies have been (as far as we know), so unless there is MUCH more than we have been shown going on, I don’t see how it COULD be Juliet, or any of our known characters, at this point.
Comment 717, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom,
These are all theories, nothing more. But with Miles you are actually making a stronger case for my theory. He died on the island and was sent back. So he lives again in the real world except that with him we see that he has some strange gift (the ability to sense the dead) and no recollection of ever being on the island.
What we don’t know yet because the story teller never revealed this to us is to whether any or all of the original losties according to my theory have died on the island before the storyline begins, have strange gifts like the one Miles, has.
Miles, if anything is a strong key because he is the only one we see in the outside world who has some supernatural gift. Faraday might have acquired one too in his scientific ability or insights into time travel. We now know for a fact that both were on the island before and we saw them both performing strange feats in the outside world with zero recollection of ever being on the island! My conclusion (scenario 2 in my original post) is that they die on the island and re-live again when they are sent back.
Comment 718, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
DocH wrote:
Last Season of LOST, last Episode of LOST, last Act of LOST, last Scene of LOST, last Minute of LOST… the remaining Losties load onto their Jurassic Park-style passenger helicopter, preparing to whisk away from the island for good… the helo takes off from next to the foot of the statue just as the marine-layer of fog is clearing… the Losties all stare at the statue as the helo climbs vertically in front of it… just as they get to the face of the statue, everyone aboard gasps! It’s the hideous face of? The Bad Robot robot… cut, wrap.
Comment 719, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
yes, miles has a gift, but so does Walt. AND faraday told desmond that he (dez) is uniquely special.
not arguing with you, just talking through it.
…i found it interesting that walt had dreams about locke yet didn’t even know his dad’s whereabouts.
Comment 720, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom,
I also forgot, with regards to the aging theory (Richard Alpert and Aaron), you don’t age if you were born on the island and stay on the island. You age normally if you get off the island.
So Richard must have spent a good chunk of time in our world and now Aaron too had to stay out in order age enough to complement his coming role in the story line.
The reason why Claire found it easy to leave Aaron behind was that somehow this was all explained to her by Shephard senior.
Comment 721, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
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Love it and the way your mind works!
Comment 722, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
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I like it too, at least the resuce part I really find it hard to believe that they are going to kill off ALL of the remaining 815ers.
What I don’t understand is why would the real world travel through time the same as the island did? Does turning the FDW also make the real world travel through time? I guess what I am saying is, even though the island is in 1977, why would the real world be also?
Comment 723, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
Good question.
The way I see it, there are several possibilities.
1) Turning the FDW takes the island (and its inhabitants) back to a time which is JUST a change for the island (and not the rest of the world). If this were the case, then Sawyer was wrong about the sub going to the “mainland” in 1974. This might be why Juliet never gets to leave the island, because if the sub leaves, once it crosses the threshold into “present” it disappears because in the “present” it was blown up several years ago.
2) Turning the FDW puts those that were ON the island at the time of the turn, on a time journey as well. Sawyer, Juliet, et al. traveled by TIME to the 1970′s, but everyone else on the island was *IN* the 1970′s living their ordinary lives. If this is the case, then the whole world should be in the 1970′s.
These scenarios both have flaws. I am sure there are dozens of other scenarios as well. It may well be that there is a time differential in ADDITION to time traveling. I am beginning to believe that the rocket experiment and dead doctor were symptoms of a problem that is different from the time traveling.
: ) P
Comment 724, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
i think that the island is the only thing in 1977, but the way sawyer implied (in 74) that she had no one to go back to (yet), i don’t know.
Comment 725, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Comment 726, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Anybody think we should have a “How the show will end” blog for this off week?
Comment 727, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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If Juliet was to leave in the sub with Dharma she would probably die… I do not think it is possible to BE back in a different time when you are off the island, she might have conscience flips with herself in 1974 while in the sub, but thats it, and that would probably kill her. Otherwise she would seperate from the submarine going out ( I like that the sub is gone now cuz it exploded-brilliant-) All kinds of things can happen on the way off the island… perhaps if a new set of bearings were followed, it could lead them through to the current time, but I think that since they are in a different time, theres no way out (like a snow globe, brotha)
Comment 728, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
maybe wrote:
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There are some areas in your theorys that could have some merrit but in the end I don’t think the show will end up that complicated. The end result needs to be something that the general public can get their minds around without a study guide.
Comment 729, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
-I’m willing to bet that Juliet didn’t actually deliver the baby herself, but rather told the intern how to do it(wouldn’t that be whispering?)…
-as far as Richard Alpert getting past the fence. Young Ben knew the key code, so he could have been the reason why Richard and his crew couldn’t be held off by it.
seems that logical simple answers usually work the best.
I also woke up this morning instantly having the revelation that Juliett was a Goodspeed… but now I can’t remember what the reasoning was…
Comment 730, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wallyp wrote:
I agree that logical and simple makes more sense. Thats why it dosn’t make sense for Juliette to tell the internest how to deliver. It would be simplier for her to do it.
I also think Richard and the others can walk right through the sonic fence. I don’t think they need the deycode or have tunnles that they use. Without being able to expalin it yet I think they are living “outside of time”.
Comment 731, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom,
I beg to differ, I think that for anyone that followed this for 6 years finding out that it was simply someone’s wild dream, would come as a complete letdown.
The concept of time-travel is complex enough to try and fictionalize with mainstream clarity.
Maybe my interpretation seemed overly complicated but the final explanation would be easy to understand.
One’s birthday happens in Australia half a day ahead of NY, if you celebrate it there then fly to NY in time you re-live it again and if you then fly to LA in under 3 hours you’ll get to do so again …etc.
The only twist is in this case, LA is not always 3 hours behind, it could be 10 or 20 hours behind or it could be 6 hours ahead.
If you accept that LA can move in time then you can accept that certain events would have passed or yet to come depending on when you get there…
Comment 732, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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I say it is for sure a man. Could be Alpert, but my guess is Jacob (with his shaggy hair and pointy dog ears).
Comment 733, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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Yeah, I just threw those out there as (what seemed to me as) simple answers. I don’t know if I think Ben is on the island yet, in 1977. If he was, I think something would have already been done about it… surely three years would not go by without one of them realizing that there is a boy named Ben Linus. Plus Jin is driving around in Roger Linus’ VW.
but I like the idea of Richard Alpert being outside of time… complex, yet simple…
Comment 734, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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i must have been watching a different lost.
Comment 735, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
maybe,
There can be a far simplier answer without resorting to “it was just someones dream>”
Comment 736, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Anthony wrote:
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I still think that the island is Atlantis or Lemuria. These civilazations were known to have heavily influenced the egyptians and greeks and fits the island motif.
Comment 737, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
PJSander wrote:
Comment 738, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Sawyer’s toe injury wasn’t meant to throw us off. IMO. He was walking through the jungle without shoes. It would have been more amazing if he didn’t get something stuck in his foot. LOL
Comment 739, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
And while im on it , pj if you d bothered to read the full script that accompanied the statue picture you would have seen many similarities with the plot ie,why it was important to bury bodies,the secred island , the design of the temple wall to name but a few.LMFAO
Comment 740, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wallyp wrote:
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I think Ben is there and they know it. They just havn’t shown it to us yet. I think Juliette saw him that first night when Miles asked her what she was staring at.
There could also be several VW’s. Jin is security. Roger is a workman.
Comment 741, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Jay wrote:
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Not egypt,somewhere closer to home.native indian, south american.
Comment 742, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
K.C. wrote:
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I agree.
Comment 743, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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I just did a lot of reading on Tiwanaku and found little similarity to Lost. One thing of note is their people had no written language. If you look at the “Gateway of the Sun” it has very little surface adornment. Hyrogliphic are prominent on Lost. The statue is also far mor primitive is style. Very blocky, where the statue on the island is curvacious and more finely carved. Add to that Hurley’s drawing of a Sphinx and I’m sticking with PJ, and with Egypt.
Comment 744, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Jay wrote:
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But Atlantis is in the Pegisus Galaxy! :)
Comment 745, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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What makes you think that? Closer to home for who? Ben, Locke and the bear all exited in Tunisia when leaving the island. That is where Widmore is doing his monitoring. Tunisia is close to Egypt geographically, so closer to home? I think we have been given hints that point us more towards that cultural area as influences for the islands early inhabitants.
Comment 746, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
Comment 747, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
im going to go with it being daniel who knows how far back he time traveled, you go back and tell people your from the future they just might build a statue of you (time traveling god) lol
Comment 748, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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did he actually specify a time period when he was in charge of the island? i thought it was just a once upon a time period
Comment 749, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Jay wrote:
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Atlantis has been brought up many times in years past and is probably a possibility.
Comment 750, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
sorry i didnt know how to seperate my comment
Comment 751, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
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Locke was "risen" or "resurrected" or even reincarnated. But none of those things relates directly to John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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i think John 3:16 fits, tying in with Mr Echo’s walking stick: John was the sacrifice made by Jacob(“help me”)who is the God-figure, spirit of the island) for the sake of the island
Comment 752, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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I agree that not EVERYTHING has to be 100% relevant. Remember the big “who was Sarah’s man” debate? Jack was set on that one and there was a lot of speculation going on, but in the end I think it was just dropped, or not really relevant to the story line.
Comment 753, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
This is a little off subject, but has anyone played LOST video game for PS3? I know it’s been out for awhile, but I just got it – and beat it very quickly. They need to come out with a new updated game once the show is over. (Though I can’t imagine the show being over, it makes me sad!)
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i so wish i could play it -i have a wii, and a mac-game not formatted for either :-(
I don’t remember seeing this….. are we sure that Sawyer was talking about Kate when he was saying “Is three years long enough to get over somebody… Yes it is.” Or however he worded it. Could he have been referring to Cassidy when he said that he ‘let them go?’
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i think he was talking about kate all the way
Comment 754, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Mateo wrote:
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they didn’t exactly meet themselves, but they were transported to the same time period as themselves, ie-when john saw the light at the hatch, he knew his “past self” was at the hatch, that’s why he took the “scenic route” as sawyer put it away from there
Comment 755, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hurley’s Dad wrote:
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i’m game, even though it saddens me to even think about the ending of the show
Comment 756, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
i think there is a lot more to charlotte’s story than we’ve seen:
just before dying, she mentioned marrying an American. she also said “I know more about ancient Carthage than Hannibal himself.”
Egypt AND Tunisia are part of ancient Carthage.
and, as i’ve said before on here, while studying the Ancient Carthage wiki page, i noticed a feud with a Hanno Magnus. I can’t help but see the connection with Magnus Hanso. also, Magnus and De Groot [the dharma initiative founder] both mean “the great”.
we also know that charlotte wasn’t born in 79 like michael’s sources said. i wonder what other info on her is false.
Comment 757, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Comment 758, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
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I agree. Well said.
Comment 759, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
In my opinion, the statue in the link that you provided
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Tiwanaku1.jpg
shows NO similarity to the statue that we saw in Lafleur
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/6/68/FourToedFull.jpg
If you disagree, then maybe the LOST that is shown in the UK is edited with different photos or something.
gmta leah wrote:
You are correct. The back of the statue from Lafleur may not be the top of 4TS. But NEITHER is the statue from your link.
gmta leah wrote:
There WAS no “full script” that accompanied your link, GMTA Leah. There was NOTHING on that page but a photograph. I read quite a bit about the civilization that was in the area, and agree that there may be some links to our story, but there will be similar links between ANY ancient civilization and our story.
Furthermore, it is difficult to accept your theory that the statue in Lafleur was the “god” called Tiwanaku since THERE IS NO GOD by that name. That is the name of a PLACE not of a GOD.
Your responses to my posts seem to reflect a defensive stance, like I am somehow attacking you. GMTA Leah, that could not be further from the truth and I am sorry if it seems that way. I am refuting your THEORY that Tiwanaku is the GOD portrayed by that (or ANY) statue.
: ) P
Comment 760, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wallyp wrote:
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It isn’t Roger’s van. They seem to have several vans for different professions on the island including workmen and security. You would think that they would have more than just the one van to monitor the island and check on their people in various stations. Also Ben has to be on the island during this time. HE was born around 1962 when we first met him he by no means looks like a 15-16 year old boy. He was at most 10-11 years old when he arrived unless the date of his birth is inaccurate. AS for something being done about BEn already being on the island, they have not showed us everything that has occurred during the 1974-1977 time period so it seems VERY plausible that we may revisit this time period through a flashback at some point over the course of the next season and a half.
Comment 761, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
I could care less if they had 1 van or 100, to me, it doesn’t effect the storyline. How in the world did they get them on the island? The submarine?
Comment 762, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
hey-i was going thru all the characters from LOST thinking about who horace GOODspeed’s baby could be…maybe it was GOODwin, he survived the purge and defected to the OTHERS-i’m not serious.
Comment 763, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Flyboy wrote:
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maybe
Comment 764, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lola wrote:
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Really? your not serious? I think that’s a great thought. Seems to me everyone else has been ruled out for age reasons ( Desmond, Thomas ) and as we know Faraday’s mother is Eloise.:) IMO.
I was also thinking it could be on of the original OTHERS. Goodwin semed a bit old though in 2004 to be 27. Maybe Ethan?
Comment 765, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
I agree also, just not the particular 3 that PJ pointed out.
Comment 766, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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One of the DHARMA videos showed ‘stuff’ being unloaded from ‘ships’. Remeber, if entering on the correct bearing….
Comment 767, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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2 points: we don’t know that ben was born in 1962-just that it was the early 60′s which could be 1964, also you can’t be sure of someone’s age by how they look-i look WAY younger than my age (wink-wink)
As for the earlier Olivia/Amy discussion: “who was w/ horace when?” Olivia was present when Ben was born AND she was a young Ben’s teacher which is around THIS 1977 time period…SO…i think that proves that she wasn’t Horace’s wife unless they were divorced? are Amy and Horace even married? It was the 70′s you know FREE LOVE y’all
Comment 768, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lola wrote:
Form S5E8, Lafleur:
DOCTOR: Where’s Horace? Does he know his wife’s in labor?
SAWYER: He’s unavailable.
You are correct, we do not know what the relation Olivia was to Horace.
Comment 769, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
However we do know that Amy was Horace’s wife. Hit submit too soon.:)
Comment 770, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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The Magic Box? :)
Comment 771, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Blogmates! We have three years to account for. 74-77. Horace could have lost Olivia anytime in there. Then taken Amy as his next. Ben could have been there for any part of the three years, or all of it. Sawyer made peace with Alpert on his first day in the Barracks in 74. That doesn’t mean the truce didn’t fall apart in the interim… last I recall, they still had the fence, and a security force, in 77. Detente failed… a purge is coming.
Comment 772, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Quick answer. Pallet drops – like the food drops for resupply. Military drops vehicles all of the time.
Long answer. How the heck did they get all of that construction equipment and raw materials to the island to build all of their infrastructure and stations? Barge? Freighter? Landing Transport?
Unthinkable answer. Dare I say it… R–way?
Comment 773, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Couldn’t Alpert use earplugs to get past the fence…simple answer
My only problem with this blog is i read all the posts, come up with a comment, read more posts, think of an entirely new comment, forget old comment and it keeps going until i read all 700 and all i can recall is Alpert could have used earplugs…oh and Bad Robot could be the most depressing thing I hear all week
Comment 774, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
The Wrz wrote:
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LOL, that’s why I check in often and ‘keep up’…
Comment 775, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
The Wrz wrote:
When I haven’t been “here” in a while and have a lot of posts to catch up on, I make a note of those that I may want to answer (just write the post number on a paper). Then at the end, I go back and if no one ELSE has answered or had a similar thought, I reply.
: ) P
Comment 776, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Okay, it’s driving me nuts that I can’t find the video. In my head, I recall a video in black and white showing some sort of boat unloading ‘stuff’ for dharma. I remember a debate came up as to why they stopped using the ‘boats’ and went to just using the sub.
Anyone else remember this?
Comment 777, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
You’re misunderstanding the “whatever happened, happened” theory. Getting onto OA815 is not in the future of the Losties that we saw at the end of this episode. It’s possible that they die in the purge (in 1992). In 1992, they will be 15 years older than they were when we saw them at the end of this episode (1977). And at the same time (1977) there is another version of each of them off the island that is about 30 years younger than the versions of them that we saw at the end of this episode.
(per Lostpedia, Sawyer was born in 1969, so let’s say Sawyer was 35 in Sept 2004, and he’s 35 1/2 yrs old when Locke turns the FDW in January 2005. Then Sawyer pops back to 1974, he’s still 35 1/2, and in 1977 when they find Jack/Kate/Hurley, he’s 38 1/2. But at the same time (1977), there is an 8 yr old Sawyer growing up in Alabama. It’s that 8 yr old that grows up and boards OA815 on Sept 22, 2004. If the 38 1/2 year old version stays alive until Sept 22 2004, he’d be 65 years old!)
Comment 778, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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That’s exactly what I do. (kinda pathetic if you stand back and think about it)
Comment 779, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I getcha ToeKnee. I am thinking that when Dan said wh-h in this episode, he was saying…if Sawyer gets involved…then that IS what happened. Especially since IT DID happen.
My eyes just crossed.
Comment 780, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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Me three….pathetic as charged. :)
Comment 781, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
It is vaguely familiar to me, but I don’t recall specifics. My only real recollection of DHARMA history is grainy footage of the DeGroots (one of whom looks JUST like Jimmy Kimmel with a beard).
: ) P
Comment 782, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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LOL. I was thinking Jack Black but Kimmel is better.
Comment 783, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
Hey!
I resemble that!
Actually, as pathetic as it may seem, it satisfies the OCD tendencies and allows me a few hours away from the computer every now and then! LOL
: ) P
Comment 784, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Okay, the closest video (closest to my memory lol) is the TLE Sri Lanka video with Hanso. It shows them building DHARMA stations and shows a helo with pontoons dropping supplies.
I feel better….breathe in, breathe out, breathe in….
Comment 785, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Me four – only I use lots of sticky notes (really should buy stock in 3M!) to write my thoughts. Then, as I go, I modify them according to new info, or tear them up when someone else already says what I was thinking. Very low-tech, but it works for me!
Comment 786, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
Thank you for the wonderful explanation, couldn’t have made it any clearer for me. I have been struggling with that subject for some time.
Nice find on the video Hammer. Once you mentioned it originally, I vaguely remembered it. Add in DocH’s explanation too, and obviously there was a way.
Oh yeah, me 5.
Comment 787, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wallyp wrote:
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Thanks for the reply and explanations. I’m spinning my head over this one. I guess we will need more info on that subject, but it is something to ponder.
I don’t believe what Sawyer said to Juliet about returning could be considered truthful, yet. I don’t think his background qualifies him to know that. Now if Faraday said it, then maybe?
Comment 788, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
Comment 789, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lola wrote:
Ick…that would mean Juliet delivered her future luvah…
LOL
Comment 790, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Comment 791, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Note to LOST producers/creators:
Please have a scene in an episode next season that shows at least two VW buses in the same frame so everyone here can stop the stupid VW discussion, haha… come on, with your budget you should show a fleet of them!
What are we going to do when LOST is all over?!?!
Comment 792, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
—POSSIBLE SPOILER LINK—
Mateo, try
tinyurl.com/van1a
and
tinyurl.com/afjp3a
for possible answers.
Comment 793, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Me 6, I keep a pad of paper next to the mouse for notes and to keep track of where I am on the blob.
We saw two Dharma vans being worked on when Sawyer went to get Juliete. I think someone mentioned that about 70 posts ago.
Comment 794, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
I blame myself for all the VW talk. Sorry. I bet Horace painted his either orange or slime green… shag rugs…oversized glass ashtrays…strobe light…beads… big bambu’s etc. JACK! Don’t eat the brown acid man!
Comment 795, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Mateo wrote:
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they already did – when sawyer goes to get juliet to deliver the baby, he walks by one van to get to the van she’s working on
Comment 796, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Thanks for the tips. I will avoid the problem if I don’t wait until tuesday to start reading. Although I did remember what I meant to ask. Is it possible that the course correction was only for while they were skipping, now that they have stopped there is no course correction anymore?
Comment 797, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke
Comment 705, posted 1 day, 11 hours ago – Quote and reply
maybe wrote:
Sawyer, Jack, Hurley and Kate were the 4 singled out by Ben when he had Michael betray the losties in order to save Walt.
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Hurley didnt count because he was just a messenger boy.
Comment 798, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke
Comment 705, posted 1 day, 11 hours ago – Quote and reply
maybe wrote:
Sawyer, Jack, Hurley and Kate were the 4 singled out by Ben when he had Michael betray the losties in order to save Walt.
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Hurley didnt count because he was just a messanger boy.
Comment 799, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lola wrote:
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I guess you can’t say me 7.:) CM’s comment 794. ONLY 2 before yours.
BTW, if you are watching scenes over and over to figure out what a character says, as in the case of Charlotte “skipping through her life, there is an easier way. You can go to lostpedia.com and find the transcript. Quite simple. She said “mum”, not mom.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/This_Place_is_Death_transcript
Comment 800, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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Me 7! Actually had to cross out 5 blog numbers to get to this answer LOL.
It just frustrates me when I see an answer to a question only to see the SAME answer again later on because someone did not read all the responses. I could be reading through half the number of responses!
Comment 801, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
The Wrz wrote:
I’m not sure I understand your question. Whatever happened, happened. IMO, course-correcting is a term used by the writers to explain that there will not be multiple futures. At least that is how D & C explained it in a podcast.
CARLTON: a lot of people have speculated about – “are there parallel futures, are there sort of multiple universes and worlds that exist in the future depending on how events in the past play out?” and that is not our intention.
DAMON: Yeah, and Ms. Hawking basically explained those rules in the first episode, “Flashes Before Your Eyes” where she basically said that the universe has a way of course correcting, so even if you did something in the past that you didn’t do before, somehow the sort of fabric of time like swoops in around you and fixes everything so things don’t go off the rails.
Comment 802, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Mike McG wrote:
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I TAKE BACK EVERY THING I VE SAID.If this is nt the statue , then the writers are taking the p… out of us !Its spot on.
Comment 803, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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This is the reason I have doubts that our Losties are going to be stopping the purge…the ‘fabric of time’ would have ‘swoop’ and kill a whole bunch of Dharmites to course correct….no?
Comment 804, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Chill Out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was just refuting what someone posted about sawyer driving Roger’s van. BTW, you should have said you could NOT care less instead of you could care less which means in fact that you COULD CARE LESS about whatever you are blabbering about.
Comment 805, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
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Yet you were “me 7″ responding to the same thing :)
Comment 806, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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I just have a hard time believing that what happened happened. Why time travel if you are not allowed or can’t course correct certain things? Also, a 35 1/2 year old Sawyer in 1977 couldn’t be there initially because he isn’t 35 1/2 years old in 1977 the first time around. He would be only 8 acoording to your math at that time originally. Although, I did read somewhere that somebody thinks that the random insertion of Jack’s grandpa Ray was actually Jack who survived the impending war and made it back “home”. So your theory would support this guys claims. But they seemed to be in close proximity to each other which we are led to believe that that would be a catastrophy according to the orchid bunny video although that may have been a scare tactic from Dr. Candle/Chang/whatever his name was at the time. He could have been using 2 different bunnies is my point.
Comment 807, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
everyone needs to chill-it’s not that serious-we’re all just a bunch of geeks that can’t get enough of lost, and are excited to have others to discuss it with.
Comment 808, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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following what you guys are saying in your posts: i think you are onto something here-so when jack, hurley, john, etc have said at different times”we have to go back, we weren’t supposed to leave” it’s b/c they WERE on the island before, and the crash of 815 was a correction to bring them back to the island-now they are living out another time loop where they came back again and it will keep happening b/c they are supposed to remain on the island. i guess we’ll have to wait and see
Comment 809, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I totally came over to check on a new post with previews and remembered that there wasn’t a new epi tonight. Sad times.
Comment 810, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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I am chilled duke. What’s with the exclamation points?
I can read. I know what you were refuting and I could care less about how many there are compared to how they got them there, which I care more about. My question was answered kindly and helpfully; not rudely, as blabbering seems to be a rude term to me.
Comment 811, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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Me as well. ha ha ha you guys are great. I’ll one up you all though. I actually take notes while i watch the show. My friends call me out on and make fun of me it but i can’t help it, i have to. It helps me remember everything i saw and what i want to talk about.
Comment 812, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee I love your theory about there being the 35 year old sawyer in 77 and in the real world there being an 8 year old sawyer. But would that mean that the rest of the world off the island would be in the past? and if the 8 year old sawyer grows up and get on 815 and crashes would it just start all over again? and what would happen to the 65 year old sawyer. Love the theory i just need you to explain it a little more so i can commit to it
Comment 813, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Agreed Hammer. Whatever happened, happened. IMO, even if they do try and stop the purge, they will ultimately fail as Desmond did with Charlie. The upcoming “war” Widmore spoke of is not the purge, IMO.
Comment 814, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Yeah, I’m with you for now. The purge is only a battle in the war. All the key players seem to have survived the purge. Widmore, Ben, Hawking, Jacob, Alpert…the war didn’t already happen, it’s about to and some of the Losties MUST be there for it or “God help us all.” IMO.
Comment 815, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
As I go through my notes, ahem…
re: 692 & the possibility that Rose & Bernard plus the main characters are the only 815ers left–kinda hear you there! Look at all the fresh fodder 316 has brought the Island God! Yum yum, smokey gonna eat good tonight!
re: 702 and the bad robot statue–LOL, but I was kinda thinking it would prove to be Head of Vincent on the Bod of Sawyer. Just saying.
re: Egyptian or other statuary–dredging up my art history, which, admittedly, is a bit of a dredge, standing Egyptian statues were almost always created with one foot forward. And if you examine the statue from that POV,our island dude of mighty proportions meets that criteria, as another pointer in the Egyptian direction.
re: The Purge–I was thinking about this, and the time factor–if our folks are (mostly) in 1977, I can’t see them hanging with Dharma for the 15 years until the Purge. Though I originally thought some of them might be in the open grave, I’m rethinking it–with only a season and a half to go through, are we really going to see fifteen years of their lives unfold? Look how long it took them to get through 108 days!!!
So unless there are some more time-jumps, I think something else might be meant by ‘the coming war’ Widmore spoke about–
mmmmmaybe!
Best, Liz
Comment 816, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Yeah Liz. I think there will be a time jump and the battle to end the war will not likely be in the 70s or 80s. I think there will be another ‘purple sky’ event that gets us ‘back to the future’(in my best Austin Powers voice…”uh thank you very much”).
Comment 817, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Amber wrote:
The theory is possible, but leaves some wiggle room.
Even if we go with the idea that 65 year old Sawyer is on the island and 30+ year old Sawyer is on 815, there is still a hiccup.
Because while 65 year-old Sawyer is watching O815 break up overhead, he would be standing with 65 year-old Juliet ostensibly. Well 30 year-old Juliet was ON the island watching the plane, too.
Juliet could die in the alternate timeline, I guess.
: ) P
Comment 818, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Maybe the “incident”?
Comment 819, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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I think these “possibilities” will be resolved by a course correction. It’s fun to imagine, though.
Comment 820, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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This was suggested in Post 276 and discussed quite a bit as a possibility. I agree it could be Tawaret however, the picture is not spot on. The FTS is a human shaped foot with 4 toes and the statue of Tawaret is a animal shaped foot (shorter before the ankle bend) with 3 toes. The 4 toed statue is wearing a leather strap sandle and Tawaret is clearly barefoot. The ears on the large statue on the island, which we assume or hope to be the FTS are pointed and the “hat” flairs out like a crown. Tawaret has rounded ears and a hat that is more like a pillbox. Tawaret is naked and the FTS is wearing some type of skirt. FTS is holding two items (ahanks?) and Tawaret is resting her arms on something. Tawaret has a straight across haircut and the FTS has a “Natural” hair cut.
All that being said, I think Tawaret is deffinatly a possibility. Not all statues of Anibus are exactly the same.
My thought now is the FTS and the big statue are different colors. I guess age could affect that but the big statue looks egyptian, like Anubis or Tawaret and the FTS has a deffinite Greek or Roman feel. Even the shape of the base is markedly different.
Just did a bit more research and the big statue has elements from several types of statues. The posture is closer to Greek, The items it is holding appear Egpytian, The clothing could be Roman? Somehow the hair seems to be brown or blond to me as most cultures with black hair would have a blunt cut.
Someone in a earlier post mentioned the others absorbing the clothing, etc. from whomever they encounter. Perhaps this statue is bits of absorbed culture combined?
Reguardless of all this, I still think the wrighters are pointing to a strong Egyptian connection with all the other info we have gotten.
Leah, Thanks for making me think!
Comment 821, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
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Mike McG wrote:
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I TAKE BACK EVERY THING I VE SAID.If this is nt the statue , then the writers are taking the p… out of us !Its spot on.
Leah, did you check out this site that silentlucidity posted? I think if we are going with a known god/dess, then it has to be her. Very good likeness, and very compelling.
silentlucidity wrote:
Check this out about the statue
youtube.com/watch?v=bCIVghY6ur…
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Comment 822, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Haha! Sorry Mike McG, that was Leah’s comment, not yours. Not sure how that happened!
Comment 823, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
hmmm good point about the juliet thing but wouldnt the 30 year old juliet and the 65 year old juliet be in different times? this is confusing lol
Comment 824, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Amber wrote:
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Amber, think of the different times as being different stops on a train track. The track is the time line and each station id a year. Our losties recently traveled “Star Trek Style” beaming from one station to another randomly. they went from the current time, stop W to c,h,e,j,and ended up staying at stop D (1974). They went to 1977 so everything else where they are IS 1974.Just like if you went to Tahiti, everyting else in Tahiti would still be Tahiti.
Not sure if I explained it well enough. ;)
Comment 825, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
Leah, did you check out this site that silentlucidity posted? I think if we are going with a known god/dess, then it has to be her. Very good likeness, and very compelling.
silentlucidity wrote:
Check this out about the statue
youtube.com/watch?v=bCIVghY6ur…
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Rita, Can you give me a better way to check this out? I can’t click on the link.
Comment 826, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
So are we to believe that the statue has powers to protect pregnant women and since it got destroyed pregnant women don’t survive?
Comment 827, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Wow, we almost need a breath of fresh air this week just for everything to soak in….You know as much as I love this show and have been loving this season there is one thing that’s frustrating me (Other than the normal 1000 things that frustrate Lost fans^^)…The creators have always talked about how everything will make sense and that it was always planned out from the start, but what’s unnerving me is that ever since the overt Time travel aspect of the show has come into play I don’t see the OBVIOUS things from older episodes that relate back to people time traveling…I mean we are basically in the final 3rd of the show now, and after I watch a new episode I immediately go back and watch an older episode that relates…Everytime I go back I get excited to see something OBVIOUS, but am often let down…Sure there’s plenty of stuff that makes sense the second time around, but I ‘m waiting to see a scene where our Losties are in the jungle and they see or feel “others” running or hiding but it’s actually the time traveling losties…I’m looking for scenes back in S1-S3 that show the losties doing things that without question point back to the time traveling we see now (It could have been something like Christian’s coffin Jack found was really Locke’s coffin, or some reference to Lafluer earlier in the show’s history)…I just don’t want everything dumped into the last 5, 6 episodes when rewatching older episodes should AT THIS POINT reveal OBVIOUS THINGS if not solidify certain clues…
I guess that’s why I feel like the deal to give the series and end-date was a double-edged sword…While in foresight it seemed to be a great idea that would prevent the show from losing it’s soul like the X-files did, in hindsight maybe they should have just did 3 more seasons at the normal 23-24 episode count…After watching an episode like “Lafluer” it would be great to see that situation stretched out over a 2-3 episode arcing…Maybe we could get Miles, or Daniel-centric eps in this setting (That would be great right now, but the ep count won’t allow it)…Without the older episodes clearly showing obvious answers that would move the plot, it seems like the pacing of this show is just gonna be too quick, with that end-date tightly wrapped around the script like it were Jeremy Bentham’s neck… Not that it’s possible but I’d like to see them atleast stretch the final season back to 24 episodes…Alot of what makes LOST great to me are the little things, and I don’t think us as fans or even the creators realized that by giving the show a solid end-point we’d forget the possibilities the show could have explored once it got to the good-stuff (Time-travel, etc.)….
It’s one thing to map out a show on paper and see it’s conclusion, but it’s another thing to see it come to life on-screen, and certain characters or events you might have wanted to expand on just get lost because of the end-date…While “Lafluer” was an excellent episode, before the end-date we might have had 3 episodes to cover this instead of just 1 3-year jump ep…Despite my love for this show I just worry the great characterization element that the show represented for nearly 3 years will just be swept under the rug (Who doesn’t want to know more about Horace or just the simple day-to-day Dharma life for certain characters)…And like I said it doesn’t seem as if the older eps give concrete answers consistent with the creators notion that it was all planned from the start…In any event I’m still loving every minute of it, but I feel like there could be so much more to love if not for this end-date that looks like it will cram so much into just over 20 more episodes…
Smoke-monster kill the end date!!
Comment 828, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Ah, Wingman–sniff, the coulda, woulda, shoulda’s! I feel your pain.
Tho I’ll be sad to see the show come to an end, if it’s a good end, I think that’s better than a fizzle, or a tacked on: drat! we’re canceled, let’s see if we can tie up as many ends as possible in one show!
I do believe the creators had their overall story arc in mind from the beginning, the things that most excited them about the show and characters, but there have been some seriously whacky side trips on this ride. I don’t know that everything will make sense as promised, but I hope many things will.
And I KNOW things had to have changed along the way! Desmond, was there a Des planned from the beginning? A Juliet? Was Ben supposed to have such a big part, or was he just so awesomely good at being bad that they couldn’t possibly kill him off until some crucial juncture in the future?
Probably things occurred to them as the show went on, that, I would think, is a natural part of the process.
But, all good things must come to an end.
Leave ‘em wanting more, as the showbiz thang goes.
Maybe we can get some Lost books, manga, something…
Best, Liz
Comment 829, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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I was trying to be funny in a midly offensive form. They had to have ways to get stuff there. Probably by freighter. They built stations with computers, had vans, built houses they had ways to get stuff to the island. I guess that it wasn’t there when they arrived and they said hey let’s build some hatches and houses. They had a purpose for being there and funding to “research” their various projects. You should have also used the phrase YOU COULDN”T CARE LESS instead of you could but I digress.
Comment 830, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
Rita, Can you give me a better way to check this out? I can’t click on the link.
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Yes, Silentlucidity posted the site on post #523. Try it from there, it worked for me.
Comment 831, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I am wondering about Rose & Bernard. They ran from the flaming arrows. To where? Im thinking maybe the caves where the bones are. Now if they are skipping around in time maybe just maybe Rose & Bernard are going to see who’s bones those are or why they were put there with the black & white stones?
Comment 832, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hey all,
I came across this and haven’t seen anything like it as of yet. I would not say that it is 100% canon but its pretty damn close. Check it out. I found it when trying to figure out if the statue we last saw was the 4TS. I couldn’t remember where the original sighting of the 4TS was and if it was indeed close to the Orchid.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g9Ld2xVPlZs/Sao1BrcfULI/AAAAAAAACMs/br9Gjvp1-KY/s1600-h/TheLostMapU+with+season+five+updates.png
Comment 833, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
jaime wrote:
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Now THAT was a cool find! Thanks for sharing that Jaime!
Comment 834, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
LizS wrote:
A Lost manga, or anime rather would be awesome^^, but back to my point…I don’t think it’s bad that LOST has a definite end-point..Like I said I’ve seen classic shows like X-Files and Quantum Leap loose their soul because they didn’t know when to end…I’m just saying maybe it would have been smarter to say 3 more seasons at the normal 23-24 eps rather than just 16 eps per season when you quickly realize how few episodes that is when talking about LOST’s content…
LOST use to have a certain pace to it, while frustrating, you felt the depth of it all…Now we FINALLY, FINALLY get to the good stuff we’ve been waiting for (Actual Time Travel, 4-toes, Dharma-centric, Temple, etc.) and you now realize that the old pace would be great for the stuff we’re watching now…Instead of BS Nikki and Paulo eps we could be having BS Horace and Halliwax eps on this hiatus week (Not that I hated the episode “Expose”, I actually thought the fallout was overkill)…
Does anyone get where I’m coming from? It’s like now YOU WANT more expansive episodes since we’re seeing the good stuff…It was frustrating when we were so far from this, but now that we’re here it’s like the end-date is just mandating that the pace override what could be extra episodes that examine aspects of the story or characters we wouldn’t be frustrated by now(Like a Miles, Daniel, Horace, the New Losties, etc.)Again I don’t want there to not be an end date, but I don’t think 1 person can say just 24 more episodes will do the overall quality of this great show justice…Based on normal season episode counts, the final season really begins next week, and that makes the smoke monster cry I think…
Comment 835, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
you would think by now that daniel would have taken off that tie by now i wonder why he keeps it on it serves no purpose much like this post
Comment 836, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
In response to duke (#806), lola (#808), Amber (#812 and #823), LizS (#815), Hammer (#816), PJ (#817), sector7 (#819) and CircusMom (#824), about the “whatever happened, happened” theory:
First off, congratulations to LizS for being comment number 815!
Secondly, I can’t take credit for the “theory”. I know many here don’t understand it or agree with it, but I know there are many others here (like CircusMom, I believe) who do. Also, on other boards that I’ve read, it’s just kind of understood by most that that is the way it is. And I truly believe it’s not so much a theory as the rules of time travel as presented to us in the show and in interviews with D&C. I’m not saying that to put anyone down – it is a very confusing concept and it’s hard to keep track of. I just don’t want to take credit for something that I didn’t come up with on my own.
PJ – yes, it is entirely possible that 65 year old Sawyer watched OA815 crash on the island on 9/22/04. I don’t think that’s how the story will play out. I agree with Hammer in that there will be another “purple sky event that will cause the Losties to time travel again. Or, it’s possible that they may die in the purge, like LizS hinted at, but I think that would be a very unsatisfactory ending to this story. I don’t think the purple sky event really qualifies as a course correction as sector7 and lola alluded to.
duke – your comment about someone thinking Jack’s grandpa Ray actually being an older version of Jack himself – I don’t think that is the case at all. Jack has known Ray all his life, so I don’t think he’d confuse Ray with a time-travelling version of himself. However, it is entirely possible that in 2007 (or whenever that scene with Ray occurred), somewhere else on earth is a 65-year old version of Jack running around. So in a sense you’re right in that “my theory” supports what that other guy said. But I disagree with that guy’s theory.
And again duke, when you say “a 35 1/2 year old Sawyer in 1977 couldn’t be there initially because he isn’t 35 1/2 years old in 1977 the first time around. He would be only 8”, you’re missing the point (aside from the fact that he’d be 38 1/2 in 1977. There are two Sawyers on earth at that time. One is the 8 year old in Alabama. The other is the 38 1/2 year old on the island. I guess you have to accept the fact that there can be two versions of the same person existing at any time (if they are time traveling). Think of it this way – in the episode where we saw Sawyer time travel and watch Kate help Claire give birth, somewhere else on the island was another Sawyer who was helping Michael build the raft (in the episode “Do No Harm”).
In theory, it’s even possibly that 3, or 4, or 8, or 15, or more versions of a person could be present on the island at any given time. For example, we saw several flashes this season that caused Sawyer, Juliet, etc to time travel to such times as 1954, 1988, the fall of 2004. It’s possible that every one of those time flashes that occurred over a period of a few days could have resulted in the Losties ending up on June 6, 1974 at 8:30 am, for example. It would be a huge coincidence, but as far as I know there’s no rule preventing that from happening, that every flash could wind up at the same exact point in time. So on June 6, 1974, you could have the Jan 2, 2005 version of Sawyer, and the Jan 3, 2005 version of Sawyer, and the Jan 4, 2005 version of Sawyer all flashing to the same date and time, so you’d have 3 slightly different Sawyers running around the island, and the 5 year old Sawyer still back in Alabama, I highly doubt this would ever happen on the show – things are confusing enough as it is.
Amber – when I mentioned the 8 year-old Sawyer in “the real world”, I shouldn’t have used that term, I should have said “off island”. But I don’t think the rest of the world is in a different time from the island. The whole world, including the island is at the same point in time. It’s just Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, etc who have traveled back in time. But yes it is that 8 year old who grows up to board OA815 and crash on the island on 9/22/04, so in a sense you could say it starts over again. What happens to the 65 year old Sawyer? Well like I said earlier in this comment, I think something will happen to cause the Losties to time travel back to the time they’re supposed to be. If it happens in the next few episodes, while the Losties are still in 1977, they’ll go back to 2008. If it happens like that, then Sawyer will be 38 1/2 or 39 when he gets back to 2008, and he’ll presumably lead a normal life and turn 65 in 2024.
Hopefully that didn’t further confuse matters. I’d be happy to write more if anyone has questions, but I’m probably taking up too much bandwidth as it is.
Comment 837, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I love the time travel theories being posted and can’t wait to see how it plays out!
I do have another question- I had signed up for the LOST fantasy league but now can’t figure out how to get my scores. Someone posted scores a few episodes back. Any help with this will be appreciated. Thks
Comment 838, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
I hear you, I am with you and I agree with you completely.
However, I really feel as if the first few episodes of this season were a RUSH but that it won’t necessarily STAY that way. I think that now that the “rules” of this season have been laid out, I think we are likely to stay IN 1977 for a while and be allowed to see how it all plays out.
I know that the strike last year meant that a lot of story was cut or delayed and I think in their rush to make sure that they got it all in, we crammed a LOT of new information about how things WORK. In fairness to D&C and the writers, LOSTfans HAVE been screaming for more answers for a LONG time. We have been getting those answers, but haven’t really felt like we can SAVOR them. So I GET it, but I have high hopes that things will take a more relaxed storytelling approach now.
Hope that makes sense.
: ) P
Comment 839, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
I think you explained that beautifully, Toeknee.
FFR, anytime someone needs the “two Sawyers” theory explained, I will direct them to Post 836 in the Lafleur thread!
: ) P
Comment 840, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Okay, so tonight’s pop-ups unofficially covered a few things. I say unofficially because D&C told us that they are not involved with the pop-ups and as such, what we learn there is not canon.
However, I think I found a doozy of a mistake. It said that Locke flashed three years into the future when he turned the FDW.
Except… that doesn’t make sense. Because if he flashed three years into the FUTURE, should he not have returned on A316 within a few months to Sawyer, Juliet, etc. and not three years later?
I know we debated a LONG time about how long Locke was in “real time” before A316 took off. But if he flashed forward three years in an instant, even whether he too three weeks, six months or a year to get everyone on the plane, then only three, weeks, six months or a year should have passed to the people on the island.
We KNOW that three years passed between the FDW and A316 because we’ve been told that in the actual episode.
The pop-ups make me CRAZY!
: ) P
Comment 841, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
So does my making crazy typing errors and not checking them. Here is the fourth paragraph above again PROPERLY:
I know we debated a LONG time about how long Locke was in “real time” before A316 took off. But *if* he flashed forward three years in an instant, then whether he took three weeks, six months or a year to get everyone on the plane… only three weeks, six months or a year should have passed to the people on the island.
: ) P
Comment 842, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
It more than makes sense, and like I said it’s a 2-way street…I don’t think any of us (fans or creators) quite knew what a concrete end-date was gonna ultimately mean for the show…Add on the writers strike last year and you get that “something’s missing” feeling about the bridge we took to get where we are right now, but with that said I still feel like the show is great…It’s just like you said, less to SAVOR…A BS 1977 Dharma-centric ep would be nice right now…Just to see how they live and maybe answer some of the smaller questions like the food-drop, or who’s in the Swan right now…Maybe a flash-ep could have included Bernard and Rose seeing Henry Gale’s balloon sail in or something (Small stuff I know, but since the show is up against the clock, it doesn’t seem like we’re gonna get those small pleasures anymore)…Bottomline though, I think D&C should re-negotiate for 24 full eps for the final season…I don’t see how that would ruin anything, and despite the casual viewer ratings declining, ABC doesn’t have many shows that average 11 million anyways…
Comment 843, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
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wingman – It more than makes sense, and like I said it’s a 2-way street…I don’t think any of us (fans or creators) quite knew what a concrete end-date was gonna ultimately mean for the show…Add on the writers strike last year and you get that “something’s missing” feeling about the bridge we took to get where we are right now, but with that said I still feel like the show is great…It’s just like you said, less to SAVOR…A BS 1977 Dharma-centric ep would be nice right now…Just to see how they live and maybe answer some of the smaller questions like the food-drop, or who’s in the Swan right now…Maybe a flash-ep could have included Bernard and Rose seeing Henry Gale’s balloon sail in or something (Small stuff I know, but since the show is up against the clock, it doesn’t seem like we’re gonna get those small pleasures anymore)…Bottomline though, I think D&C should re-negotiate for 24 full eps for the final season…I don’t see how that would ruin anything, and despite the casual viewer ratings declining, ABC doesn’t have many shows that average 11 million anyways…
Comment 844, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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No, I think they got it right.
In Jan 2005 Locke turned FDW. At the same time, the O6 were being rescued by Penny/concocting their story/going back to the US. Also at the same time, Sawyer, Juliet, etc travelled back to 1974. Three years passed for the O6 before they got on AA316 in 2008. Three years passed for Sawyer, Juliet etc and we catch up with them in 1977. AA316 crashes, and Jack, Kate and Hurley flash back to 1977 and meet up with Jin and Sawyer. So for all of them (except Locke, 3 years of their lives have passed).
When Locke turned the FDW, he ended up in Tunisia at some point prior to AA316 departing. (like you said, maybe three weeks or six months prior to AA316). So he aged only a few days plus the three weeks or six months or whatever, while everyone else aged 3 years.
Comment 845, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
Perhaps if LOST ends up doing well against Idol in the next few weeks, they might be able to do that. But LOST costs a LOT of money to produce and in this economy, then may not want to spend more than they are contractually obligated to. Especially when a stupid reality / game show like Celebrity Apprentices’ Big Brother Rehabs Out of the ‘hood at Wifeswapping Nannies Cribs and Biggest Losers at Home Edition in the Real World of the Housewives in the Hills cost pennies on the dollar.
: ) P
Comment 846, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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yea just to add on to that a little bit, the three years passed for everyone and it was like locke was in a coma and those three years just never happened to him. between the time that he turned the wheel and woke up in tunisia it had been three years. so literally for three years locke was not on the island or off, he was nowhere but to him it only seemed like a second between turning the wheel and waking up in tunisia
Comment 847, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
I’m pretty sure that “Three Years Later” means whatever amount of time went by both on and off the island. Three years went by for the 06rs and the flashers…
Turning the wheel for the person who turns it (in this case, Locke) moves them off the line of natural time. For everyone else, they still move foward in time at the same pace, whether they are flashing or not.
Say for instance Jack and Sawyer had synchronized watches before they got on the helicopter and those watches both kept ticking until they met up again in 1977… they would still be exactly the same when they met up…even though they were in different times,… the date on sawyers watch would still show what the real time would be (which jack would have been living) because that amount of time had gone by. If John Locke had a third watch synched, and then he turned the wheel, and met up with jack in 2007, the date on his watch would be off by three years because he instantly skipped over them. Which is the reason that everybody had to wait three years, both in 2007 and in 1977.
In a way that makes John Locke the only person who actually “left” time. him and anyone else who moved the wheel.
and heres another thought while I’m at it… maybe Widmore couldn’t go back because he refused to die.
Comment 848, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Vaughn K wrote:
In your scenario, Vaughn, it makes sense. But in the way HAVE been seeing time travel / flashes on this show, I don’t think it quite fits.
Here’s why… when BEN turned the FDW he jumped ten months ahead. To Locke and the remaining LOSTies, it didn’t SEEM like ten months between when Ben turned the wheel and when Locke did. It seemed like a few days. Therefore, keeping with the way that worked, it should FEEL (to Sawyer and Juliet, etc.) like a month (or however LONG Locke was working to get people on A316) until they see Jack, Kate and Hurley.
: ) P
Comment 849, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
Leah, did you check out this site that silentlucidity posted? I think if we are going with a known god/dess, then it has to be her. Very good likeness, and very compelling.
silentlucidity wrote:
Check this out about the statue
youtube.com/watch?v=bCIVghY6ur…
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the four toed statue is not the same,
Comment 850, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
In your scenario, Vaughn, it makes sense. But in the way HAVE been seeing time travel / flashes on this show, I don’t think it quite fits.
Here’s why… when BEN turned the FDW he jumped ten months ahead. To Locke and the remaining LOSTies, it didn’t SEEM like ten months between when Ben turned the wheel and when Locke did. It seemed like a few days. Therefore, keeping with the way that worked, it should FEEL (to Sawyer and Juliet, etc.) like a month (or however LONG Locke was working to get people on A316) until they see Jack, Kate and Hurley.
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o yea i see what your saying but ben didnt come back to the island until they all did three years later so he didnt miss anything he was just watching them for like 2 years but now this starts a whole new weird scenario because say locke only jumped like a month and then got them together and they all got back. then ben would show up in tunisia in ten months and locke would have already come and gone with the O6 already and he would be screwed lol. dont think about this scenario for too long it will just confuse people more all i am saying is is that luckily for ben, locke skipped more than ten months
Comment 851, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Caught in the passion of talking I guess I snoozed on that (Not that I thought it had a chance anyways)…Again I’m still absolutely loving this $hit^^…I just see places the show can now go and I’m sad there won’t be TIME to take it there, but there’s always zombie season (hopefully)…
Gut observations (Not that any of this hasn’t been said)
- Egyptian civilization is a red herring…They’ve shown us hieroglyphics since S2, I’m thinking far more toward ancient civilization that may have inspired Egyptian civilization…Mythologically speaking, Atlantis…Which would mean Richard’s eyeliner may be consistent with Atlantis culture as much as Egyptian culture…
- Horace blowing up that tree makes me think the smoke monster is only doing and can only do things that are apart of the memories it has stolen from various people..Still don’t know exactly what it is (BIG SURPRISE I KNOW^^), but I think it is an anomaly that isn’t as intelligent as we give it credit far…Probably acts more on instincts it has gathered via memory theft (when it flashes you like it did to Juliet that time)and can be manipulated…I think the buried bodies have something to do with how it’s incorporated…Part of me believes Locke created that $hit, but not ready to stand on that soapbox yet…
- Whether or not Horace was married to Olivia is meaningless…If he was, so what? I watched “Man behind the Curtain” last night and he met Ben’s pop when he was much younger (check his hair length and babyface, then look how they geezer him up with added long hair in “Lafluer”)…Since a theme of the episode was “3 years” it is atleast longer than 3 years that he has parted with her if he was ever really with her (Could be atleast 10 years if you snych it with Ben’s age when he arrives)…So him being with Amy has no apparent integrity problems…
that’s it for now…
Comment 852, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Watching the pop-ups tonight and wingman’s post reminded me about something I thought last week.
I am sure might only a continuity issue, but Horace in 1977 looks much older than the Horace in Locke’s vision (where Horace repeatedly cut down the same tree).
Not making any conclusions, just mentioning it! *bg*
: ) P
Comment 853, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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sorry i was interupted mid sentence..what i meant was . Tawaret is the statue we saw on ‘lafleur’But the four toed foot, which doesnt belong to Tawaret, could well belong to Dess.Obviously we cant identify a foot very accurately.so i wouldnt put my life on it . As for the rear view of a statue …I know im going to get flack ,but what ever the statue is holding in the link photo http://www.prestonandsteve.com/picview.php?
that is what she is holding on the image in lafleur.Infact the special effects guy has used the same photo to generate the rear view
shot . the stance , one foot in front of the other, the hairline,what ever she is leaning on.
Comment 854, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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sorry i was interupted mid sentence..what i meant was . Tawaret is the statue we saw on ‘lafleur’But the four toed foot, which doesnt belong to Tawaret, could well belong to Dess.Obviously we cant identify a foot very accurately.so i wouldnt put my life on it . As for the rear view of a statue …I know im going to get flack ,but what ever the statue is holding in the link photo http://www.prestonandsteve.com/picview.php?
that is what she is holding on the image in lafleur.Infact the special effects guy has used the same photo to generate the rear view
shot . the stance , one foot in front of the other, the hairline,what ever she is leaning on.
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I couldn’t get your link to work Leah, but I do disagree with you about Tawaret – I don’t see any resemblance at all with our statue, AND I believe the statue IS our 4TS. Why have more than one giant statue? OUR 4TS was VERY human-like. Besides, the positioning and location seem to fit.
Comment 855, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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FWIW, I think that Ben went 10 months because the turned the wheel incorrectly and left it off it’s axis. Locke ‘fixed’ it when he turned it and got his ‘full’ forward jump. IMO.
Comment 856, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
me nine!with the post-its? :-)
lola—(788) LOSTpedia, which isn’t fact, said charlotte said “ME marrying an american”. so that was my source. whether she said me or you, i care more about WHO the american is. i spend just as much, if not more, time wondering the unknowns on this show than i do dissecting what we DO know. :-p
jaime–sweet find on the map! thanks!
something i recalled from the pop-ups: it said that the arrow station was used to train dharma folks to fight the hostiles. i immediately thought of the flaming arrow shooters (good band name!) that shot frogurt. but that was in the 50s, right? i mean…i just wanna make sure that the shooters weren’t dharma folks/Arrow station trainees. i know that was the [first] skipping in time ep, and that we saw young widmore, but the flaming arrows….that was definitely in the 50s, right?
Comment 857, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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I couldn’t get your link to work Leah, but I do disagree with you about Tawaret – I don’t see any resemblance at all with our statue, AND I believe the statue IS our 4TS. Why have more than one giant statue? OUR 4TS was VERY human-like. Besides, the positioning and location seem to fit.
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im sorry about the link . im not good at cut and paste ,but if you go badk to where i got the link from and tried it, you may have more luck. Once you have seen the picture ,tell me again its not tawaret…lol
p.s strictly speaking we dont have two statues..we have one statue and one giant foot!
Comment 858, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
RITA, comment 276.
Comment 859, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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In response to your third paragraph…….My whole point is the fact that a 35-38 year old Sawyer cannot exist at the same time as eight year old Sawyer during the ORIGINAL 1974-1977 because there wasn’t a 35-38 year old Sawyer at that time. The only way this is possible is that Sawyer grew up to fly 815 and experience the time travel et al. He was only eight years old at that time the first time around. Maybe just maybe Charlotte, in her dying moments, had a flash (like Desmond did/does) that “planted” the memories in her before her death. Foreshadowing events that had yet to play out.
Comment 860, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I think we can tell that 4TS is not the EXACT statue of any god. But perhaps we can agree that 4TS is a westernized VERSION of Tawaret (or any of the other ancient gods mentioned).
: ) P
Comment 861, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
Definitely the 1950′s. As for the transcript from lostpedia.com,
Charlotte: You know what my mum would say about you marrying an American.
I agree. I am also more interested in who the American is.
Comment 862, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
To expand on my comment 859…………….. If the events we are seeing had originally played out that way then why do none of the Losties have any memories of it? Jin would have been able to speak English in 2004, Sawyer should have memories of his head of security days etc. Also why didn’t Darlton gives us hints in the past that these people had been there before? Maybe a glimpse of Sawyer seeing Aaron being born perhaps. The camera pans around and we see sawyer standing there watching then they show sawyer somewhere on the island shortly there after. This would make us wonder hmm why is he there? What was he doing but we could have chalked it up to him just coming across the events while making his way to the caves or whatever. That is my point. Man of science here. Having hard time buying into what happened happened. Although you are others are probably right about it already happening but I just need a little more to jump on board.
Comment 863, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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But Locke didn’t turn the FDW in January 2005. He turned it sometime in the distant past of the island. The well was not dug up and the 4ts was visible to sawyer et al. Technically he jump probably several thousands years ahead.
Comment 864, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
For the record, I don’t think there is any rhyme or reason to the amount of time that one jumps after turning the wheel. In fact I think the writer’s want any type of time travel element to be as unpredictable as possible. Perhaps that’s why Dharma is trying to harness the energy so that they can manipulate time in some controlled manner.
Comment 865, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
RGS wrote:
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I can buy that…as well as my own theory. :)
Comment 866, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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im sorry about the link . im not good at cut and paste ,but if you go badk to where i got the link from and tried it, you may have more luck. Once you have seen the picture ,tell me again its not tawaret…lol
p.s strictly speaking we dont have two statues..we have one statue and one giant foot!
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It’s not Tawaret.
Comment 867, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
I saw a theory on another site that said that once you travel back in time you don’t age until you catch up with yourself. I could go with that being why Richard dosn’t age and also say that Sawyer will be 35 untill 2008 when 35 year old Wawyer can take up his own life again right where he left of to go time traveling. This means that in 2008 Sawyer will be 35 years old with 65 years of life experience.
This could wxplain why Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Hurley, etc. wern’t on Jacobs list. He already had a set of them in his collection. That is why they had to go back. Because they were already there from 1977 waiting to catch up to their current selves.
Comment 868, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
I read that theory a loooooong-a$$ time ago, but had totally forgotten it…I thought it was a damn good theory when I first read it, and I think the same right now…But I guess this would imply that Richard isn’t an ancient inhabitant of the island and that he had to have flashed back sometime in the future…LMAO this theory would kinda kill the eyeliner = Atlantis or Egyptian custom concerning our favorite man of mascara though….
Comment 869, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
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I also read somewhere that in response to a question about his eyeliner Carlton and Damon said that he is not wearing eyeliner. That is the actors natural eyes.
Comment 870, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
It’s true. I have seen Nestor Carbonell in a number of other things. He has VERY dark eyelashes.
D&C said it in a podcast, but it is also here:
tinyurl.com/CaptainEyeliner
Whether it is natural or not, Nestor Carbonell will forever be Captain Eyeliner to me! LOL
: ) P
Comment 871, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I also have a hard time believing the statue to be Taweret.
First, Taweret is not human, but a hyppo, with a different torso to leg length than a human. The statue has the “right” human proportions.
Second, as all ancient fertility goddesses she has very wide hips- a must charachteristic for fertility goddesses. The statue we see on the island has hips that appear narrower than the shoulders- thus indicating it to be a male.
Third, I don’t know of any goddesses depicted with a short skirt. Females are depicted with long skirts/ gowns- unless they are animals. Males on the other hand, are depicted with short “skirts” and bare legs and/or leggings.
Last, long hair was seen as a sign of strength and vitality in most old cultures and was considered very manly. So the statue having long hair by no means indicates that it is not that of a male.
I am not sure WHO it is, but my best guess is a male, not from any known/ particular ancient culture (I’ll lean toward Mu/ Atlantis/ …), and human.
Comment 872, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
It’s funny because I went on a date with this girl to see the movie DARKNIGHT where Carbonell played the Mayor of Gotham and she was like, “Why is this guy wearing mascara?” and this girl never watched LOST before^^…I couldn’t help but chuckle and told her he plays on another show where they call him the “Eyeliner-guy”…But with that being said I think D&C being the kooky guys they are saw him as an actor and felt like his natural look coincides with perhaps the whole pseudo-Egyptian aspect of the show….Why else would they give Sawyer the line “Your buddy with the eyeliner” if they didn’t want that to be relevant? I mean I know it was done as shout-out to the fans, but it still relates to the speculations that he is Egyptian or Atlantian or of a civilization like those were eye-makeup is apart of the custom. Hell I used to have a theory where he controlled the smoke monster and it exited out of his eyes leaving residue each time^^…
My point though, I don’t think it’s meaningless just yet (The eyeliner stuff)…
Comment 873, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I think richard is so cute! eyeliner or no eyeliner he has some nice eyes Toeknee thanks for explaining your theory more
Comment 874, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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Sorry Leah! I just don’t see it! It’s NOT Tawaret! But you are right about one thing – we do have one statue and one foot at this point. It remains to be seen whether or not they are one and the same (although I am going on record as saying IMO they ARE!) Thanks anyway Leah.
Comment 875, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
Although we have been told that the pop-ups in the enhanced episodes are not canon, they DID confirm that the statue in Lafleur *IS* the 4TS.
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Comment 876, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Thanks PJ, I wasn’t able to watch that last night. And since it fits with my beliefs, I’ll go along with it! :)
Comment 877, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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In trying to think this through, I guess I don’t really understand it. How does this work out? Do you just “merge” with yourself in the future – so there are 2 versions of you until you reach the age you were when you travel, then when you “catch up”, one of you disappears? Does the one with the older memories disappear, and that’s why the younger self has no memories of the time travel? I guess if you wouldn’t mind trying, could you explain it again for me? Thanks Circus Mom!
Comment 878, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
RGS wrote:
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I think it is random also. The time travel we saw allowed them to answer some questions and make our heads hurt with new ones.
Comment 879, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
Not to me. I am quite interested in what happened to her or, as you repeated the suggestion, if they were even married.
Comment 880, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
@ Rita
No it’s rather simple…If you time travel from 2004 to 1977, then you won’t age until you get to 2004 again….The YOU that left 2004 is the only person you need to be concerned with….Any other versions of yourself that you encounter that haven’t time traveled yet will simply be living a normal timeline (Up until the point that version of you time travels)…So if Richard starts his first time travel in the year 3000, then he’s good to go for about another 1000 years.
Comment 881, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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Well you kinda took me out of context…All I’m saying is that Horace being married/divorced/widowed/siblings with Olivia at some point doesn’t create a inconsistency with him being with Amy now. Whatever those 2 were to one another, him being involved with Amy comes YEARS later…At the very least more than 3 years since he would have made mention of this based on the “Is 3 years enuff to get over someone?” theme of the episode. But based on Ben’s age when he first arrives on the island it could be as many as 10 years if not more. Horace is costumed drastically older in “Lafluer than he is in “Man Behind The Curtain” IMO…So whatever connection he has to Olivia is meaningless in-terms of it conflicting with his relationship to AMy, not that it potentially doesn’t have meaning…
Comment 882, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
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Gotcha….Not sure what you mean by based on Ben’s age and 10 years difference? Are you suggesting Ben maybe arrived in 1967?
Comment 883, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
So what happens to the other version of yourself? They keep living on another alternate timeline? Starting to sound like the cheesy ending to the movie “Deja-Vu”.
Comment 884, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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I think I am beginning to understand (maybe!) – you don’t HAVE another version of yourself when you get back to your own time, because you weren’t there – you left to go time traveling and now you are back (right?). However, what happens if you get back RIGHT BEFORE you left – so you have 2 versions of you that are approximately the same age, then one of you leaves to go time traveling, and the other is still there, because he/she is already back.
Maybe it’s really best to not think too hard about some of this – since it isn’t “reality” it will never really work out.
Comment 885, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
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If you time travel there shouldn’t be other versions of yourself there. If Sawyer and company were in the dharma initiative originally then they should encounter themselves in the version we are watching. You cannot have multiply versions of yourself time travelling at the same time. You can meet yourself in the past but that is the future you travelling not the same person that you could run into. As far as we know there is only ONE Sawyer who time travelled to 1977.
Comment 886, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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I think we are both of similar minds. IMO there cannot be two versions of yourself. If the 1977 group is in 1977 there cannot be another one living a parallel life in 2004 or whatever unless there are parellel timelines and they are jumping across not only time but through various timelines which I do not buy. If YOU are time travelling then YOU are time travelling. YOu could encounter your past self but……..I just cannot buy the fact that Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, et al. were in the dharma initiative then they never made mention or foreshadowed this event. Also if they do/did die in the purge then the events we saw could not happen because they are DEAD.
Comment 887, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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I get it now, as in Toeknee’s example, from pots 778.
Comment 888, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
Not the 8 year-old Sawyer living in Alabama, he’s just growing up.
Comment 889, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
This question is directed to anyone who agrees with the situation: In this scenario, can there be a little boy Sawyer and a little girl Juliet back in the US from 1974 to 1977, or did those children disappear when their older selves traveled back in time? Maybe THAT explains why some people appear to have been abducted by aliens!? LOL. But seriously, I am curious about this.
Comment 890, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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Rita, Wingman and L4E, you are putting it together. Duke, you’re lost somewhere on this. Here is a different approach to a explanation.
Sawyers life/timeline:
S is born in 1969
S sees his dad kill his mom
S drops out of school in 9th grade
S becomes a con man
S travels to Australia to kill Decket in 2004
S leaves AU on flight 815 in 2004
S lives 3 months+ on island until early 2005
S travels around in time with friends
S settles in 1974 HE IS 35 YEARS OLD
S joins Dharma and is there till 1977
HE IS STILL 35 YEARS OLD
S lives on doing what he does REMAINING 35 YEARS OLD UNTIL 2005
On the day that Sawyer and friends started to time travel Sawyer begins to age once again. In 2006 there is only one Sawyer and he is 36 years old.
Sawyer must be careful between 1974 and 2005 so that he dosn’t cross his own path.
Try that on and see where it leads us.
Comment 891, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Yes, ther is a little boy Sawyer and a little girl Juliette in 1974-77. Se my timeline above to explain my theory better, hopefully.
Duke, It looks like while I was replying you caught on to what I was saying.
Hey, perhaps Richard is Aaron, baby Charlie or baby Horrace all grown up and traveled back in time from some future date. Living under a Alias like Sawyer and all?
Comment 892, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Wow I can’t believe the stir my little comment caused…Here it is once again for those who believe or want to believe in the theory that you don’t age until you catch up with yourself (i.e. why Richard lives so long)…
1) DON’T WORRY ABOUT OTHER VERSIONS OF YOURSELF; IT’S MEANINGLESS…
2) The only way you can CATCH-UP with yourself is by catching up with the exact time inwhich you first time traveled…That was your original/normal timeline!
3)Once the TIME TRAVELING YOU gets to the point inwhich the FIRST YOU time traveled you begin to age normally again…
4) Throw your DVD of Deja-vu outta the window; it doesn’t apply to this theory because their version of Time Travel creates a new timeline (Plus honestly it sucks to kill yourself just so the other YOU lives on—The version of you who killed them self is DEAD, “Screw you other self!! I’m not killing myself for you”^^’!!)
5)Any other versions of yourself that are kids won’t disappear because they have nothing to do with the you that grows up and eventually time-travels
6)This entire overview is protected by the “No paradoxes” aspect of LOST Time Travel which means unless we see a Time Traveling Richard find and shoot his original self in the back right before he time traveled the first time we’ll never have to know how that will probably destroy the universe…The universe probably wouldn’t let you do this anyway if “whatever happens, happens” or by the standards of Mrs. Hawkings explanation to Desmond…
Finally, only worry about the first person that time traveled (i.e. the first-person perspective of the Sawyer you saw from the start), all versions of you who exist before you time travel are ALL gonna get to the point where they are THE YOU that eventually time travels…
Now isn’t that simple? :rolleyes:^^
Comment 893, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
Great explanation. I am totally supporting this theory until proven wrong, by D&C.
Comment 894, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
remember back in season 3 during the episode “the brig”, Richard gives John a folder on Sawyer (from INTERPOL, written in french).
Comment 895, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
Great explanation!, that should have been your FIRST long post.:)
If that is what LOST has become, a show about time-travel, then I might end up wishing I NEVER watched it. I COULD CARE LESS about LOST and MORE about something else, if it is going to end with too much TT. JMO.
Comment 896, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
Don’t get too high on yourself there wingman ( are you ICEMAN OR MAVERICK? ). ANYTHING you have said has been stated ALREADY, you and Toeknee have explained it the best, so far. :) IMO.
Comment 897, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
If that is what LOST has become, a show about time-travel, then I might end up wishing I NEVER watched it. I COULD CARE LESS about LOST and MORE about something else, if it is going to end with too much TT. JMO.
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I guess you will have to change your name then :)
I do agree tho’ that I hope the whole thing does not just end up being time travel. That would be a huge disappointment.
Comment 898, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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It’s not Tawaret.
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Do you not think the markings on the base of the picture of the statue are a clue?
Comment 899, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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hey! just caught the last paragraph,a little girl juliette and a little boy sawyer puts me in mind of the two kids that disappeared soon after the 815 crash , the ones on the beach?we never saw them again?????
Comment 900, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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LMAO, I will get high on myself because that’s a really easy theory to understand IMHO (You don’t age until you get to the point where you first time traveled-BAM!)…And no I’m not ICEMAN, WOLVERINE, or any other XMEN character…I am “wingman”…I have lurked on this site for about 3 years and am familiar with you and the regular, uppercrust clique who post here every week (Hammer, Toekee, Rita, YOU, etc.,)…I’m really all about the hardcore theories (like the timeloop), and would probably blow your mind with some of my theories, but I don’t post that much because I unfortunately never watch LOST when it airs on WED…I choose to watch LOST on the weekends (usually Friday late-night) when I can immerse myself in the episode and not worry about kids running around, knocks on the door, or basically random interruptions…I also despise spoilers and being spoiled before I watch a new ep, so this site is like Jughead’s radiation for me until about Saturday morning when I can start to read the 500-600 posts that have already been written by the devoted members here…The reason I posted so much this week was because of the hiatus; unfortunately it’s back to lurk patrol next week…However just because I don’t post a lot doesn’t mean I don’t know a lot, but with that said this site and it’s members have always seemed pretty awesome…Wish the webmaster would switch to a bbcode forum format though^^…That would be nice….
Comment 901, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
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Okay wingman, as an ‘uppercrust clique’ member I have a thought about the idea that Alpert is from the future.
What if the statue is of him from the future as opposed to the past? What if the reason it has 4 toes is because of evolution….you know…that ole theory that our pinky toes are shrinking because we don’t need them and eventually we will be born without them? Hmmmmm?
BTW, I for one am not offended by the clique comment whether intended to be or not.
Comment 902, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman, also….you piqued my interest on theories that ‘would probabally blow your mind’. How do we get more on that?
Comment 903, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
, uppercrust clique who post here every week (Hammer, Toekee, Rita,
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Pj,L4e,………LMAO !
Comment 904, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
@Hammer – Wasn’t being offensive, I was acknowledging the regulars who keep this site going…You guys are really devoted members…If LOST aired on Fridays instead of Weds. I’d probably be one of you guys…As for your comment; I suppose the 4-toe flash could have been the future as opposed to the past…And the only way the theory can work is if Richard is from the future, so this very well may be the case….Part of me though, will be disappointed if Richard isn’t an original island inhabitant, because it totally kills the EYELINER = Egyptian/Atlantian theory and I still wanna believe D&C casted him in-part because of his creepy eyelashes that resemble those ancient cultures^^…
Comment 905, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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whats a pop up, i know what a pop up is on the computer but what is it regarding a lost episode?
Comment 906, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Anyone want a side bet on how many posts they ll be on this thread before the next episode is aired? …just for fun? Ill go with 1500.
Comment 907, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
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Coolio. :)
Okay, here’s getting deep…with TT, Alpert can both be from the future AND an original inhabitant of the island…no?
Comment 908, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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This is what I woke up this morning thinking thinking…
Richard could be from the future… but the future could also be the past… as in, the remains of the statue are there in 2004 from 1000 years ago, but the statue is not built until 1000 years in the future, when time circles itself. Therefore Richard would have been there 1000 years in the past, but could look BACK 1000 years ago on the things that happened in 2004 (rather than foward) (I still think that Richard lives forever, and never time travels)
Gang, the thought of 35 year old sawyer in Sep 2004 remembering something that happened to him on Jan 2005 doesn’t make a lick of sense. Even if it was in 1977, the Sawyer that got on 815 had not lived those events until after Jan 2005.
Duplicates are possible, we saw it happen. Kate was delivering Claires baby, while there was a Kate in LA dealing with publicity issues…
Time on the island has little to nothing in common with time outside the island. Therefore I still think that Losties cannot go outside the island in 1977, they will need to get to the point in which they are aligned with the real time. This wouldn’t be the time they that they left… that would mean that Sawyer and co. could leave in Jan. 2005… it would have to be the three years after that, where they should actually exist in time. (Maybe they don’t age, maybe they do… I still want to believe that Richard Alpert never time traveled and his case is different.)
Also, as much as I dig time travel, I still don’t think that time travel is the most important concept on this show. I also think that it has more to do with the fact that the longer you are on the island, the more you connect to the island. Sawyer and Co. may see it as 1977, but for them it is still really 2007, they are just living in the reality of 1977. The people in 1977 can see them and the people from 2007 cannot see them… but they are still there. (any sense,…no?…)
This also means that I think whisperers are a collection of people that were on that given spot at any other given time past or future… depending on your connection to the island at any time, would determin which of the whisperers you can hear/see.
Comment 909, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
Here in the US, ABC has been airing the PREVIOUS week’s episode at 8pm (7pm Central) and the NEW episode at 9pm (8pm Central). The PREVIOUS episode is “enhanced” and has “pop ups” that show at the bottom of the screen that clarify information or remind less zealous viewers about a character’s history. Mostly, they just refer to prior episodes.
If you can go to ABC.com, then click on “full episodes” they are there as “enhanced” episodes.
D&C have stated that they are NOT involved with the pop-ups and so we deem them non-canonical. Generally, they are nothing to get too excited about, so don’t worry if you don’t see them!
HTH,
: ) P
Comment 910, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
…Perhaps Jack in 1977 will be able to see John Locke… the way he saw his father before.
Comment 911, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
While I don’t think they are necessarily Juliet and Sawyer (their names were Zack and Emma), your point is valid. Maybe Cindy, the kids and the others who were snatched in the first few nights as a part of “course correction” or something?
Hmmm.
: ) P
Comment 912, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wallyp wrote:
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I want to talk more about ‘dem whisperin’ types….
I think everyone will see John…here is why:
The whisperers can be seen by anyone, IF they choose to show themselves. They have expressed their desire to do so in the whispers themselves (if the transcipts are accurate). But it seem they choose not because the the person seeing them needs to be able to ‘handle it’. So Hugo sees them because they know he ‘thinks’ he is crazy, so they can come to him and try to get him to understand they are not his imagination. He doesn’t mind chatting with them because the ‘thinks’ he is crazy (hey, nice talking to ya Charlie, but I’m crazy so…eh). Now that the losties are ‘more educated’ on the island and have seen just about enough of the ‘crazy’ stuff. It’s okay for Locke to just be back alive on the island. (Losties look at each other and say “Hmmmm, what next?)
Next is the whisperers are increasly willing to show themselves to the Losties because they need the Losties help.
IMO
Comment 913, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Nah, we saw them on the Hydra didn’t we, when Juliette was being judged…the tattoo episode?
Comment 914, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wallyp wrote:
I think everyone is going to be able to see Locke, just as everyone saw Christian. We THINK only Jack saw him because he does the whole “run away” or “stand quietly” thing. Claire saw him. Locke saw him. Miles claimed he didn’t see him, but I think maybe that is because Miles just assumed that Christian was one of the many dead guys that ONLY Miles sees.
Just a thought.
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Comment 915, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
I remember seeing Cindy, not the kids, but that may well be. My point was not that they’ve never been seen (though I think that is what GMTA Leah said), but that maybe they were snatched for course correction.
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Comment 916, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
…I can see that, but my point is that they will see him in 1977 …as well as in 2007 (maybe some will only see him in the cabin… maybe some will see him walk away all mysterious like, maybe some will only see him talking backwards and dripping wet… some in dreams etc.) seems that people see things differently and have different connections.
Comment 917, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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They were with Cindy, my point is we did see them after the beach…so WHEN would the course correction need to happen? We haven’t been back to current time yet and they woudn’t be alive in the 70′s….
Comment 918, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
And it puts the kids on the island still on days 73 and 74.
Comment 919, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Hammer wrote:
Comment 921, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Didn’t Miles say Claire walked away with an old guy she called her father?
Comment 922, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Comment 923, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Sorry, I am not relating it to the theory properly. At some point, someone suggested that O815 crashing on the island WAS the course correction. Perhaps the people who died should have died earlier. Perhaps Christian should never have left, which means Jack and Claire would have been born (in theory) on the island. Perhaps Locke was supposed to be on the island. Maybe Cindy and the kids (and the rest taken that night) were part of a different course correction. Or MAYBE they were hapless victims of the course correction that was the O815 crash, and will be sent “home” at some point.
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Comment 924, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wallyp wrote:
Comment 925, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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I like that better than they ‘disappeared’ and ‘we haven’t seen them’ …because they didn’t.
Comment 926, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Taking it one step further… maybe GrandDad Ray was one of the folks back in 1954, and was never supposed to leave the island, which means Christian, and by extension, Jack and Claire were supposed to have been born (again, in theory) on the island.
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Comment 927, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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A friend of mine mentioned something about Gpa Ray may have been on the island and wasn’t supposed to leave…on another blog. :)
Comment 928, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
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“uppercrust clique…?” Hmmmmm. I try not to be wingman, I’m just happy to join the weekly LOST obsessed here on the blog.
There are probably lots of “lurkers” out there – drop a post now and then and let us know who you are. Personally, I love the new ideas and thoughts that get posted here. You never know where the next great idea will come from. Even if I disagree with you, it helps me to solidify my own thoughts and position by thinking through yours.
Since we have a few days before the next episode, bring on some of your mind blowing theories. We have time and would welcome something new to talk about! I am very interested wingman. Bring it on! :)
Comment 929, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
I missed this post before… but I think what you are saying is that everyone (regardless of what time they are in) will see Locke. So this makes Locke a whisperer…
that is what I’m saying. I never read the whispers thread, I like the theory, but I take it on how i see it… do we believe that whispers exist throughout time i.e. they can whisper to you in 2007, OR in 1977, from wherever they are? (which may not actually be 2007 or 1977)
If that is the case, then it would sort of prove that essentially, on the island, 1977 is not a different place than 2007. What you see around you may look different, but you are in the same place in your timeline. Sure you can talk to someone from 1977 or 1954,an appear to be physically there, but you are still in actuality in your own time.
Comment 930, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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This would mean that a 35 year old Sawyer is capable of time travelling when the real Sawyer is 8 years old living in Alabama. These losties CANNOT die in the purge as some have predicted because that is not what happened because they were alive in 2004-2008. You CANNOT have multiply versions of yourself in the future. If 8 year old Sawyer timetravelled to the future he could concievably run into himself but a nonexistent 35 year old cannot be in 1974-1977 if he has not reached that age in real life yet.
Comment 931, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
929… forgot to seperate my comment again… I responded after Hammers “IMO”
Comment 932, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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I am not saying anything about 8 year old Sawyer or Juliette. My only problem is a 35 year old Sawyer cannot be time travelling until he reaches 35 years of age so in my mind he could not have been in the dharma initiative in 1974 originally when that time period first occurred. Basically, what I am saying is that a 40 year old version of myself cannot show up in 2009 because I have yet to reach that age. NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF ONESELF JUST ABOUT AN OLDER VERSION OF SOMEONE TIME TRAVELLING WHEN THAT PERSON HAS YET TO REACH THAT AGE.
Comment 933, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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I understand your explanation. My problem has been that Sawyer et al. were in the dharma initiative in 1974 then have no memory of it when they first crashed on the island. I get the ageless part and all that but the what happened happened part means that they have already lived what we are now seeing but do not remember it which would mean a 35 year old version of sawyer was in 1974 before we saw it although in “real-life” he had only aged to 8 years old. His future self in the original 1974 had already had these experiences which takes something away from this story for me. If that is what is going on.
Comment 934, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wallyp wrote:
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FYI, I haven’t decided for myself if John is a whisperer or not yet. I was replying to your scenario…which is plausible…I just haven’t made up my mind if he’s a whisperer or is really alive.
Comment 935, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman…I LOVED your explanation, just as I did Toeknee’s which was posted earlier than yours. I hope you would bring more theories to the blog. BTW, was referring to Top Gun.:)
Now if you can hook up with FLYBOY just MAYBE you could have piloted 316 to land on the r–way.
Comment 936, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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yo… you got some blood comin out your nose…
I agree with you. I do not think that Sawyer was originally a Dharma member in 1974. I’ve come to think that where we started in this story (ep1 season1) is really somewhere in the middle. We KNOW that he was a boy in 1977 because we have already seen that. SO he cannot be course correcting in 1977… but he could be there, (perhaps because one of the other memebers he is with needs to go back and course correct, I dunno?) Just because he can wear the suit, and work for Dharma in 74-77, doesn’t mean that in the long run, it will change anything.
-How could Locke have come to the island in the first place, if he was the one who started the chain of events that lead him there in the first place? That question still remains unanswered.
Comment 937, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Right… I felt that. I do think he may be a whisperer though…
Comment 938, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Well I’d say your friend, and that blog, have a lot going for them! LOL.
But as has been said before, Ray wasn’t just six minutes of filler scene to round out the episode. We saw THAT character for a reason. (Unless, of course, D&C put him in there as another red herring!)
: ) P
Comment 939, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I have noticed that sometimes, in replies to posts, there are several other posts in the “quote and reply” which makes the “new” post several pages long. I would imagine that it is not ALWAYS purposeful, because sometimes it is helpful to see every other post that is referenced, but often all those extra posts are unnecessary. For those who would LIKE to “quote and reply” without all the extraneous posts, I offer some assistance.
If you hit “Quote and reply” to make a comment, all the former posts (that are IN the post you are quoting) will show up in the “Comment” box where you want to type your reply.
You can delete as many of these posts as you want! As long as you leave the first part inside the [ ] (which will say quote comment=”4815162342″ inside) and you leave the last part inside the [ ] (which will say backslash quote inside) then everything in between will be in the light color font.
If you decide to leave more than one of the other posts in your reply, then not all of the quoted area will be light colored and you will need to add a spacer – - – - – - to show when your post starts.
I hope that makes things easier.
: ) P
Comment 940, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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Sawyer crashed on the island before he time traveled (in his timeline) so he will not remember it. If after he has traveled to 1974 and “relived” to the year 2005 (or 2008?) he will have those memories throughout. Sawyer who is 35 years old and 200 days (after the time travel) will always remember Sawyer who is 35 years and 100 days (before time travel) won’t remember because it hasn’t happened to him yet.
Comment 941, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
If you believe that Locke and Ben are in a different time then the O815ers…(not sure if i do or not, the only theoery i have been able to keep believing is that Atlantis is the island).
I think that turning the wheel is the reason that Locke and Ben were sent to their time, and not with Jack, Kate etc. Once you have been to the island and turned the wheel you can only return to the present day. If you have been there before you can go wherever the island is. If you are new to the island you go to the present as well. I am sure this will be disproved when we see Sun and Lapidus in a canoe(or when one of the uppercrust replies), but it won’t be the first or last time I am disproved…
Comment 942, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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But they had not lived this part before. The Sawyer et.al. that has lived with 1974 Dharma is OLDER than the Sawyer that crashed on the Island (by at least a few months). Therefore the Sawyer that crashed, could not remember the Dharma Sawyer.
Comment 943, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Well this is where it gets kind of fuzzy because part of the timeloop theory (if you believe in it) is that if the island ever comes out of the loop the cataclysmic thing that destroys the island//world will occur and if “whatever happens, happens” then there will be no way to stop it (Because Desmond and Locke destroyed the Swan which stopped the infinite Loop)…I think Ben and Richard were work together in trying to stop this, but when Locke appeared it made Richard accelerate his desire to have the man he had met in 1954 and researched since then become the leader (because Ben’s fertility ideas weren’t making any headway)… I love the theory about not aging until you “catch up with yourself”, but I don’t know if that lends itself to Richard still being an original person of the island..He very well could be, but when he catches up with himself perhaps the island is about to be destroyed or is destroyed…
Comment 944, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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I agree, Jack could have just gone to ma’s place, gotten the hidden key out from under the phony pile of dog poop grabbed a pair of dad’s shoes.
We will see Ray again…maybe sitting in front of a vanity putting on eyeliner ala Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs….maybe not….
Comment 945, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I love the theory about not aging until you “catch up with yourself”, but I don’t know if that lends itself to Richard still being an original person of the island..He very well could be, but when he catches up with himself perhaps the island is about to be destroyed or is destroyed…
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Agreed but he doesn’t have to be an “original person”. If he arrived on the island in the future then flashed back to Atlantis time he could still be trying to catch up to himself, thus not aging
Comment 946, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
TY PJ. I tried to explain that on the last thread but you did it much better. Rita also added some more HINTS about blogging on LOSTBLOG.NET. Post 464 from The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham.
Comment 947, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
Right. They were not part of DHARMA originally. I think “whatever happened, happened” is referring to the bigger events of the show, not necessarily all of the smaller stuff. If some of the smaller stuff starts to effect the bigger events then things begin to course-correct. Like they said in the podcast:
so even if you did something in the past that you didn’t do before, somehow the sort of fabric of time like swoops in around you and fixes everything so things don’t go off the rails.
Comment 948, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman…please bring on the new theories; after no new LOST, i’m JONESING for a mindsplosion.
:-)
Comment 949, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
shellonius funk wrote:
Dang I’m at work so I can’t just sit here and post superlong theories I’ve thought of but here’s a kernel…
I think Ben was trying to figure out how he could cheat time by having children born within a timeloop scenario…If he could succeed at that then he could put the island back into a state of flux at some point that wouldn’t require it to get to the point in which Richard comes from (which is a time where the island//world is destroyed—Venzetti equation stuff)… When Ben tells Widmore “he changed the rules” I believe he means that Widmore knew of the impending destruction of the island//world (By being Richard’s for leader) and that certain people had to be course corrected, but instead of doing that in the island’s best interest he choose to siege the island just to get it back from Ben. I think Alex may have been the person that wasn’t supposed to be killed….I don’t know what exactly Ben did, but I think he purposely moved the FDW in way that would keep it skipping long enough for him to get back and not advance in a way that prevented him from keeping with his plan of preserving the island by creating another time-loop of sorts…
That’s just one of my whatever theories, feel free to poke away…
Comment 950, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
(By being Richard’s “FORMER” leader) is what I meant where I say “FOR”…
Comment 951, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Lol@ Buffalo Bill. I’m about to make my train commute home so I haven’t thought all this out, perhaps sometime tomorrow I will continue it but…
I’m voting for Gpa being yet another red herring/filler. Add him to The Economist’s identity, (those were fun times, no?) and/or the significance of that woman Sayid fell in love with having same or similar bracelet as Naomi, and/or the last time Sayid thought with his heart.
You can also throw in the 3.2 Million request from Miles to that mix.
Comment 952, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
RGS wrote:
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What??!! I’m still hoping to find out all those things!
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Comment 953, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
The best part of LaFleur was the scene where Sawyer is woken up by the telephone and we see that he has spent the night banging Juliet. This got me to thinking, what is the best score in Lost history? Personally I think it’s when Boone nailed Shannon. I also like how the bald Korean was able to woo Sun with his English.
Comment 954, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Mr. $tuart wrote:
Bobola, why’d you change your name?
Comment 955, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
So, going on with the “No aging while in a time loop” idea, perhaps it is those in a time loop who can’t have kids. If, lets say Bea Klugh was 30 in 2000 and time traveled to 1954 then she would remain 30 until 2001 where she would turn 31. Perhaps the uturis ages when the body dosn’t. That is why there was a 85 year old uturis in a 30 year old women.
Dharma people didn’t appear to have trouble having kids and Claire and Sun wern’t in timeloops while pregnant, or before, as far as we know. I bet Juliette can’t give birth now.
Comment 956, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
Unless you have had them translated and they say something about a time traveling island I think they are irrelavent. There are thousands of statues with hyrogliphics on them and they don’t relate to Lost.
I’m curious why you want the statue to be Tawaret so badly? Although there are a couple of similarities ther are far more differences that you havn’t addressed.
I am willing to say that the FTS could represent Tawaret, or any number of other gods, but the statues are NOT the same, at all.
Comment 957, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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That is where my problem lies…………..If he has no memory of it because it didn’t happen to him yet then it did not happen. I am led to believe that what happened happened. Which in my way of thinking means that Sawyer was ALWAYS a part of the dharma initiative in the 1970′s and Faraday always told charlotte never to come back. I am thinking that charlotte had a “transplanted” memory during her dying moments rather than a 35 year old Daniel already telling her not to come back when he has yet to do it.
Comment 958, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
Except, doesn’t SOME part of time HAVE to be linear, at least in its appearance to us? Our present, here in March of 2009, would appear to be linear to us. If I were to suddenly travel back in time, my tomorrow might not be March 14th, but it would still be tomorrow to ME. If there isn’t a linear progression, at least to the person who is traveling, then that person is in a loop, never to be released. I don’t think we are meant to believe that LOST is some grand forty year version of Groundhog Day.
So I can’t buy into the notion that Sawyer was ALWAYS part of DHARMA. *My* version of “what happened happened” means that a time-traveler cannot change “the past” enough to affect “the future” while he is in it.
I hope that makes sense because my nose is twitching and I have to stop thinking before it starts to bleed. *g*
: ) P
Comment 959, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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Well said PJ. My thoughts exactly.
Comment 960, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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To Sawyer there is no loop. He lives life from birth to death. He just happens to be 35 from 1974 until 2005. For him it is liniar, and it always happened that way for the world.
As long as our time travelers avoid running into themselves no-one will be the wiser.
Comment 961, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
So, um… you think that Horace, the other men from security, and anyone else in DHARMAland won’t *notice* that Sawyer and the rest of the “crew from the salvage vessel” don’t get any OLDER?! LOL,
Listen, I am not discounting the idea that they “don’t age” because it makes some sense. I think it is potentially possible that this happens, especially as this would explain Alpert. I just think the theory, like any theory, needs some fine tuning.
Clearly each person has a slightly different (or radically different) idea about how time-travel works. Even those of you who say, “I agree!” have expressed your own version of it (what you’ve just agreed with) a little differently. I really enjoy thinking each person’s ideas through, but in the end, on this topic especially, I just don’t feel the need to commit to any one theory.
Here is what I believe:
1) We ARE going to be told the specific parameters under which our characters can time travel. In likelihood, it will be Daniel, perhaps with help from Juliet, explaining it to Hurley, Jack and Kate. We might even get a bit of a lesson from Dr. Chang, or Christian or [gasp!] Jacob himself! Regardless, of how they “teach” us, we will understand time travel in the LOST world by the end of the series. (I suspect, by the end of the season.)
2) It is NOT going to be inherently complicated simply because LOST cannot afford to alienate the more casual viewer. Nor is it going to be overly simplified, because LOST cannot afford to alienate US! I think the explanation that will be given will be geared to “Shannon” and not to “Charlotte” for example.
: ) P
Comment 962, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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Right , just for a last ditch attempt at a ‘reason why’ here goes…..
For example .A non blogging lost watcher, not one of us obsessed viewers’.watches lost every week[cos there are such people!]They have seen hyraglyphics, they have seen ankhs, and now they have been shown a giant statue from the back…They go off to their pc, and look up all manner of material. Pictures, wiki, ask jeeves, all the usual stuff. What do they find? A picture of Tawaret, same stance, same hair, same four toes, exactly the same marking on the base as the ones in the hatch on the 108 mins countdown clock!
Now I know it’s hard to take, But Lost has not been created for us brainiacs on this blog.
It’s been put on the goggle box for the masses, and them masses are maybe not as dissecting and critical as us’ know it alls’. So the show makes a point of not having anything which is beyond the average viewer to work out. Tawaret is obvious. Especially from behind.
Now we ‘the elite’ all know, that the front could be completely different, Lindy +Cusey
Like to twist our minds sometimes .And it’s very naive of us to think that the simplest answers are not correct occasionally.
And HAMMER
I don’t remember seeing the kids ever again after the beech. If someone points me in the direction of the episode that shows them , I would appreciate it
Comment 963, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
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Its not that they cant have kids ,its that they die in childbirth is nt it ?
Comment 964, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
Agreed and hopefully well before the end of the season. I hate to think the TT issue will consume the rest of the series.
Comment 965, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
Scroll down to Season 3.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Emma
Comment 966, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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Yes me too. I think some of those might be revealed yet, although I do agree there are some “red herrings”. How long did it take them to come back to the 4TS? almost 3 seasons.
Comment 967, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
LOST scheduling update. Unfortunately there is going to be one more week off near the end of April, in which they will be having a clip show. Also the season finale is going to be 2 hours airing on May 13.
Comment 968, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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That is what I am trying to say. Sawyer and Juliette in the 70′s helping Amy have her child. Some on here believe that that event occurred in the 70′s the first time around. Also that Horace brought them in to fix vans and head up security. If you take what happens happens literally that means that these events and others that will occur already happened and they are now unable to change them. I do not believe that these events happened previously is my point.
Comment 969, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
You see this is the fun part for me when it comes to time travel…Time travel by it’s very existence creates a scenario whereupon the events that take place within the time continuum TOOK PLACE…There is no “other way it happened” IMO because we are seeing what happened now…It had to have happened BECAUSE IT’S HAPPENING! Based on LOST’s rules for time traveling, and the first person perspective of any time traveler, the events you witness or partake in have to be the events that took place…When Mrs. Hawkings talks about saving the guy in red shoes just so he dies another time or another day,…Whether or not you believe the universe will course correct; whatever you did to save that guy, or didn’t do to not save that guy HAPPENED…So to me there is no “first time around”, because when you time travel you create that “first time around” everytime…It’s cyclical, it’s non-ending…You don’t know what course correction is, so if the universe takes a guy’s life tomorrow as opposed to today THAT HAPPENED…
LOST has been meticulous in it’s lack of presenting past facts that obviously discredit the actions of supposed time-travelers…There are no newspaper articles that say one thing then we see how what happened in the past are different…I don’t think they subtract that element from the show for no reason…They don’t want paradoxes, or clear desertions of how the future shapes…Only Desmond, and perhaps Miles to a lesser extent are up for debate from the rules the show has incorporated, so I see no problem in believing that what we are seeing now is what always happened, because it had to happen, because that’s time travel…
Comment 970, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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Except as I pointed out before, Tawaret, in the link you sent, has three toes and a straight haircut and the FTS has 4 toes and a uneven hairline. As I said before, I havn’t rulled Tawaret out, I am just not convinced and repeating the same argument over and over won’t convince me.
I actually liked the youtube video
Lost Season 5 Secrets and Theories LaFleur
where Isis is sugested. Several people on this blog have also suggested Isis.
We shall see>
Comment 971, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman wrote:
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It is only time travel once they time travel. Therefore, the events we are seeing couldn’t have happened “the first time around” because they HAD NOT time travelled YET. These events in the 1970′s could not have taken place in the past because Sawyer et al. HAD NOT gotten to the point in their lives to be able to time travel back to this time unless there is also a separate TIME LINE which I believe they have stated is not the case.
Comment 972, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
Exactly and also “whatever happened, happened.” I think that is the confusing part. Both can be true.
Agreed, there is ONE timeline. Whatever Sawyer et al have done from 1974-1977 has not changed the future because they still exist. So, “whatever happened, happened”, no paradox has been created.
IMO, the identity of the baby might help explain this. Meaning, whether they save Amy or not, whether Juliet helped deliver the baby or not, the baby was going to be born anyways because it was born before they intervened.
PJSander wrote:
Agreed. Any small thing that they changed would have happened, just another way, a course-correction.
Comment 973, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wingman, #969 – Great post – I totally agree.
duke – I think I understand most of what you’re saying, but it sounds like you’re letting your own conceptions of time travel cloud your interpretation of what has happened on the show. I’m not saying that to be condescending or anything, I just think that you have to put aside your preconceptions.
Again, I think that saying that “whatever happened, happened” is a “theory” is a misnomer. Daniel has stated that this is a rule. Maybe I’m putting too much faith in this, but between his statements, Ms. Hawking’s statements, and various interviews with D&C, it is a rule of the show. If you’re basing your interpretation of the events of this show on any other set of rules, you’re bound to be mistaken.
Based on the rules of this show, your 40-year old self definitely could come visit you tomorrow. When you turn 40, and you get a time machine as a birthday present, you could decide to set the destination to March 15, 2009, an poof – there would be the 40 y.o. you, face to face with the current you. Two of you in existence at the same time. It is possible. And like wingman said, there is no “first time around.” There is no changing the future, there are no alternate futures. Although you could say every single action by every single person affects the future, there is no “changing” per se, because the future hasn’t happened yet, so nothing can be changed.
Sawyer always joined the Dharma Initiative in 1974. However long he lasts there, we have yet to find out. But from Horace’s viewpoint, he (Horace) is just there on the island working for the DI for years and years, and one day in 1974, this guy Sawyer appears, does some bad things, does some good things, and Horace lets him join DI. There was never any other version of 1974 that Horace experienced. One version, one timeline.
Another way to look at it…if you agree that the 35 y.o. Sawyer has time travelled to the island/1974, at the moment he arrives there, what happens to the 8 y.o. in Alabama? If you’re thinking he disapears, then who is it who eventually boards OA815 30 years later? I don’t agree with the non-aging theory (although I admit it is possible), so my take is that the 35 y.o. Sawyer who TT’d to the island/1974 will be 65 in 2004, so where is the Sawyer that gets on OA815?
Also, go back to my earlier post where I wrote about Sawyer seeing Aaron be born and how that fits with the episode “Do No Harm”.
Comment 974, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
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Yes, thanks. We saw them in ‘Stranger in a Strang Land’ and ‘The Brig’….both times with Cindy.
Comment 975, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
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This explaination of who gets on the aO815 works whether Sawyer ages or not. Even if they don’t age it is the Sawyer who was 8 in 1974 who gets on the plane.
Also, it is not a closed loop. Not something that keeps repeating itself. The Sawyer who is 35 in 1974 will not get on the plane in 2004. He will continue doing whatever he is doing on into 2005, either on or off island and either 35 or 65.
Comment 976, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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This explaination of who gets on the aO815 works whether Sawyer ages or not. Even if they don’t age it is the Sawyer who was 8 in 1974 who gets on the plane.
Also, it is not a closed loop. Not something that keeps repeating itself. The Sawyer who is 35 in 1974 will not get on the plane in 2004. He will continue doing whatever he is doing on into 2005, either on or off island and either 35 or 65.
Comment 977, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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I stand corrected. ta
Comment 978, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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duke wrote:
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Think Terminater, in the perspective of 40 year old you, he is traveling to the past.
Comment 980, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
But according to the rules of time travel on Lost, the 40 y.o. you can visit you now.
It sounds like you’re saying that the time travelling is changing the past, that it’s re-writing history. According to what we’ve been told, that is not possible on Lost. There only one timeline, with only one version of events on that timeline
Comment 981, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
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Also, I think we can take What Happened Happened as meaning that if we have seen it it won’t change. At the end of season six, everything we have seen will have happened just as we saw it.
It makes me think of the movie Snatch. We first see a series of events, in a somewhat mixed up formatm from one perspective. Then we see them again, in order from a wider perspective and we all say Ahh ha!
Comment 982, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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…..i feel sick and dizzy……i think im coming down with something ……… its storylineovercomplication! …some of you have the symtoms.
Comment 984, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
What are you trying to say, gmta leah? We’re getting stuck in a loop-di-loop of TT? Watch out below!!!!
; ) Liz
Comment 985, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hey guys.. I noticed there’s still a lot of confusion about the 4TS.. for Leah and everyone else attempting to figure out the identity.. please reference posts #215 and 444 and hopefully that will help a little.. I will confidently say based on my professional knowledge that the 4TS has no relation to Incan/Mayan civilization and by all evidence is Egyptian, but may be a hybrid of Egyptian motif and a male character on the show (unless it’s a topless female, which is possible if it’s a fertility statue, but i doubt they could show that on abc.. hbo would be another story)
there’s been some talk about Atlantis/Lemuria/Mu.. i’d like to share my thoughts on this based on my archaeological background..
first off none of these ‘civilizations’ exist.. all three are occult myths that have gained popularity in mainstream culture due to our obsession with the unknown.. the only one with any possibility of even remotely existing in some shape or form is Atlantis.. current archaeological idiom places the entity of Atlantis in the eastern Mediterranean on the island of Santo Rini (aka ancient Thera), one of the hundreds of Greek islands in the region.. the story behind Santo Rini is that in the mid-2nd millennium BC the island, which is actually a volcano, suffered a tremendous eruption the likes of which has been seen only once since (Pompeii).. documents of the period in Ancient Egypt report hearing the sound of the eruption and a dark plume of dust and clouds that engulfed the air for two weeks on end.. documentation of this incident was also found in Knossos (Crete), the Greek mainland, and in the civilizations of the time in the Middle east such as the Hittites of Anatolia, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia.. after that eruption all evidence of the civilization of ‘Thera’ disappeared from the record.. no more pottery or artifacts from that culture were found in archaeological finds after that time period.. hence it is now widely accepted in archaeological annals that ‘Thera’ became known as the legendary Atlantis that sunk into the ocean.. in reality Thera still exists as Santo Rini.. a crescent shaped island (since half blew up in the eruption) known for beautiful white Greek architecture, a great nightlife, and spectacular beaches.. so if any of you want to visit ‘Atlantis’.. you know where to go now
if D&C supplanted Atlantis from the Mediterranean halfway across the world to the Pacific and gave it Egyptian motifs and hieroglyphic language.. then that’s their prerogative.. but i highly doubt it and i’d be highly insulted as an archaeologist
On the topic of Lemuria and Mu.. these are even more preposterous.. Lemuria doesn’t even exist in any sense.. it is the name given to a radical 19th century theory of biogeographical diversity due to a continent between India and Madagascar based on the fact that both have fossilized lemur bones.. once the theory of tectonic plates and separation of land masses over time was widely accepted as the only plausible theory in geology this was thrown to the wayside.. except for a few occult novelists who still write about it in their eccentric fictional works.. although it’s possible D&C can use it in Lost.. I highly doubt it based on the fact that the casual viewer would be extremely turned off by a revelation about the island’s origins being somewhere they have never even heard of before
Mu, on the other hand, was a fictional continent based in the Pacific that was thought to exist at the dawn of human inhabitance of this world.. it is yet another occult creation that has no validity in archaeological or geological annals.. first off no submerged land mass has been discovered in that region that has evidence of nonaquatic flaura and fauna.. second it is widely accepted that the origins of homo sapiens began in subsaharan africa and later on in europe for the neanderthals who eventually died off.. although humans eventually dispersed across the siberian land bridge to inhabit the Americas, there was no established means of aquatic transport that could traverse a full ocean until thousands of years later.. so there was no way a continent or large land mass in the Pacific would be inhabited until much later than the ‘dawn of humans’ when Mu was thought to exist.. in addition it is physically impossible for such a land mass to become submerged and no other land masses be affected by either the external disaster or rising sea levels that had to have occurred.. I can vouch for the archaeological profession that both Mu and Lemuria hold no credence in the field and absolutely no connection to egyptian culture which we’ve been forcefed in Lost for a reason
Anyway hope that helps with some of those debates.. can’t wait till this week’s episode!
Comment 986, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
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have i just time travelled
Comment 987, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Halliwax wrote:
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Thanks Halliwaw. I enjoy your posts and professional insights. Keep ‘em coming!
Comment 988, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Vaughn K wrote:
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your post made me laugh-it’s so true, i’ve thought the same thing-lose the tie already.
Comment 989, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hey, just wondering what the next episode is after Fleur?
Comment 990, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Luke wrote:
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It’s Namaste
Comment 991, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Rita wrote:
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refresh my memory ?
Comment 992, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hi folks. I made a website based on my theorie for lost. Check it out! I put some Dharma videos to remember, and some hiden stuff!
http://www.glauco.art.br/lost
Glauco
Comment 993, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
duke wrote:
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It sounds like the “what came first, the chicken or the egg” argument to me. Did Sawyer et.al. crash on the island first, or live with Dharma first? The “what has happened, has happened” just means that that is how it has always been- to me.
We can’t say “they HAD NOT time travelled YET”, or “HAD NOT gotten to the point in their lives ” yet, because that is only true if you look at it from a point X of the whole line(say from 2007), but it is NOT true if you are at point Y (say 2010).
The one thing I don’t buy is that people somehow don’t age until they “catch up with them selves”, because it does not seem to fit with the above.
Comment 994, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
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good explanation-the island moves thru time-not necessarily in chronological order either, hence the skipping. There’s “real”time and then there’s “island” time
Comment 995, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Heres some more fun with Time Travel
Regardless as to what you think, the show has presented us with several characters having “memories” of things that haven’t happened yet.
There is a scenario where “you” from the past, comes into the body of present you. This happened to Desmond on the freighter, and I think the chick that was left behind at Oxford too. Its pretty much the same deal. You from the past is seeing the future. You might be able to chalk this up to a psychic type of thing. Charlotte “see’s” this event happen, in which Daniel talks to her as a little girl. It happens as a memory in her head, but really, she is seeing something that will happen in the future. Perhaps because she is on the verge of death, she is having dream like visions, that are putting her into other places in her life. She is seeing the future beyond her death, but only because it is happening through her past.
In this case, Richard talking to John Locke in 1954 would be more of a vision that Richard and his 1954 Others had…(there must be some way that his selection process occurs, no?) Richard and the Others will now at some point be filled in by Locke about how he dies and comes back to the island, which is where Richard will know to tell past John Locke that he needs to die and he needs to give the compass to 1954 Richard. There doesn’t need to be a start point, just someone at some point beeing able to tell what will happen in the future (or maybe this happens via Jacob).
While it seemed at first that Daniel was well educated on this subject, I think the fact that in 1974 he told Sawyer not to bother doing anything proves that he doesn’t really know everything… OR he is lying, as he could still be there for some purpose against the losties… Seemed like Daniel just felt that he had no power to do anything in another time, when in fact, you do. You may not be able to change history that has already happened, but you can still shape your own future (ie Sawyer and Julietts actions provided the group with a place to live for three years, and of course led to the two of them getting it Onnn.)
Also, dig this thought: Time is determined by how old the wheel itself is. Say in actual 1977, the wheel was 1000 years old. By the time we are in 1977, the wheel itself is 1,030 years old. And if you are in 2007, the wheel is still 1,030 years old…. so wheteher you are in 1977, or 2007, you would still be in 1030 according to Donkey Wheel Years.
We need a new episode!
Comment 996, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Glauco wrote:
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The page is blank.
Comment 997, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
wallyp wrote:
I am satisfied with my version of TT, for now. I am curious as to when Faraday said this because I do not recall. Can you point me in the right direction?
Comment 998, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Glauco wrote:
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Very hidden!
Comment 999, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Got my DWY email update today…can’t wait to see if this goes anywhere.
Namaste….LOL.
Comment 1000, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
I have a feeling its going to end with them crashing on the island….some big loop, some reason they dont remember they have already been there….
Comment 1001, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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DWY?
Comment 1002, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lola wrote:
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DWY = Dharma Wants You….the ARG game from during the hiatus. Lostpedia has info on it.
Comment 1003, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
re: DWY. I thought they’d put the brakes on DWY until the end of season five, then sure enough, I have a fresh email caught in my spam filter. Thanks Hammer!
(But the way it reads is weird… not sure if they want us to do something, or NOT do something.)
Comment 1004, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
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Check out this website. It tells what the episode names are and when we can expect them to air.
http://www.spotep.com/#serieid=lost
Comment 1005, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
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Thanks for the clue to look in the spam filter DocH. I never would have thought to do that – sure enough, there it was – got it!
Comment 1006, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
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Do you think one of us should do something and one not and see where it leads? I volunteer to do nothing. I am bartending for St. Pats day Tuesday and slammed with work Wed. and Thurs. It will be hard enough to keep up with the new show thread.
Comment 1007, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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Got mine too, but do you remember how some people were penalized for cheating during the testing process? I think the email is hinting that it would probably be unwise to discuss the details specifically. JMO.
Comment 1008, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DocH wrote:
Oh… rats! Good point. They still have me pegged for the same job as they did 3 months ago (Dharma Psychologist), that’s old news, and shouldn’t contradict what the email was alluding too. I feel kinda good… having taken the tests and not using any of tricks buried in the coding, or from L-Pedia.
Comment 1009, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Yes, guys…scroll all the way down to the bottom of the message, I missed it the first time…maintaining radio silence…
Comment 1010, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
willow wrote:
Hi willow, the page is there and its not hidden or blank. I guess you couldnt see it because of some problems in the server. I just check it and its there. Anyway, thanks for the reply. Namaste for u all!
Comment 1011, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
Waah! What message?! I didn’t get an email! I didn’t cheat! I checked my spam box. No message! I even went to the old DHARMA Wants You website and all I got was an error message. (Yes, I am whining! I am about to have a tantrum!) No fair (stomps feet!) No fair no fair no fair. You GUY-EYE-EYE-EYES!
[pout]
: ( P
Comment 1012, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
PJSander wrote:
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I got mine but my don and daughter didn’t get a thing. Not even in their spam. Might have a minute in the next few days but at least keep me posted.
Comment 1013, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Glauco wrote:
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I got to the site OK but can’t get very far with limited time and limited spanish. I will explore later.
Comment 1014, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
He All :)
Looks like Cuse and Lindelof have decided not to follow suit this year and nickname the closing scene of the finale themselves, but instead ask fans to give their ideas!
http://www.docarzt.com/lost/the-flame/cuse-and-lindelof-calling-all-fans/
Check it out…we should all submit our ideas
Comment 1015, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Miraks wrote:
julliet reminded Ben of the little girl who gave him a birthday present in “The Man Behind The Curtain”
Comment 1016, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hammer wrote:
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Obsession Alert!!!
Okay, I figured out my ‘memory’, if you add the Sri Lanka Video of the helicopter and the WORDS from Wickmund in the Pearl Orientation video below….you can see how I thought I saw ‘stuff’ being unloaded off ‘ships’ (in my head). Anyway the Pala Ferry might be how the vans, etc. go on the island:
“At the end of your eight hour shift proceed to the Pala Ferry which will take you back to the barracks to prepare for your next * (?) … on behalf of the DeGroots, Alvar Hanso and all of us here at the DHARMA Initiative – thank you, Namaste and good luck.”
Comment 1017, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
lost4ever wrote:
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I think wallyp is referring to this scene from Lafleur (correct me if I’m wrong, wallyp), which is when the Losties come upon the Others attempting to kidnap Amy:
JULIET: Who do you think they are?
MILES: Who cares who they are? We don’t even know when they are. [Whispers, to Faraday, who sits desolately on the ground behind them] Hey. [Normal voice] Dan. We don’t get involved, right? That’s what you said.
FARADAY: [Lucidly] Doesn’t matter what we do. Whatever happened, happened.
I disagree with wallyp’s interpretation that this means Faraday doesn’t know everything. This scene occurs early in the episode, very shortly after Charlotte had died and had told Daniel he visited her as a little girl and told her not to go back to the island (and then he kept muttering to himself “I’m not gonna do it”). He’s depressed about Charlotte’s death, and he seems to blame himself for it, and he’s completely pre-occupied with focusing his energy on NOT telling the young Charlotte not to go back to the island.
So when Miles says “we don’t get involved, that’s what you said”, he’s misunderstanding what Daniel had said about “if it didn’t happen before, it won’t happen now” back in the Before You Leftepisode, which was mostly in relation to Sawyer visiting Desmond at the hatch sometime pre-crash. IN that episode, when Daniel was telling Sawyer not to bother knocking on the hatch door, he wasn’t warning him not to do so because of some danger, he was explaining that it was futile – Desmond wouldn’t answer the door, because when Desmond and Sawyer laid eyes upon each other for the first time ever (in season 2?), Desmond didn’t recognize Sawyer. So at that moment, it didn’t matter what Sawyer did, Desmond would not be coming out of the hatch.
In the conversation between Miles and Daniel quoted above, Daniel is telling Miles the same thing – it doesn’t matter what they do. Whatever they decide to do, that is what they’ve always done. Any time the events of that day are replayed, they occur exactly the same way. But Daniel’s enthusiasm for explaining that to Miles is nothing like it was when he tried to explain it to Sawyer, because of the other stuff on his mind related to Charlotte.
So I don’t think that scene meant that he doesn’t know everything.
Comment 1018, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Yo idk about ‘yall, but im mad freakin’ pumped for tomorrow night. It’s gunna be madddd ghettto.
Comment 1019, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Yo idk about ‘yall, but im mad freakin’ pumped for tomorrow night. It’s gunna be madddd ghettto.
Comment 1020, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Lostfreakydeaky wrote:
yo dat be fo sho
Comment 1021, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Lostfreakydeaky i gotta agree witcha on tht one, im gettin pumped already
Comment 1022, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
okokok guys guys. lost is TOMORROW NIGHT. and where are rose and bernard at? plzzz answer me someone. THANK YOU
Comment 1023, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
tsunami wrote:
they are hiding out in a cave somewhere, Lost tried to make us forget about them, and then SHABAM, they’re gonna come outa nowhere
Comment 1024, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
aright aright sheeshaw. i gotcha. but are they gunna be a huge part in tomorrows episode? and also wht about the other extras that aren’t big roles that were chillen and kicken it with rose and bernard?
Comment 1025, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
yo guys sry i changed my name. its still tsunami
Comment 1026, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
im guessing tht they just went to a different time period, instead of going with like locke sawyer juliet etc… and no i dont think they r gonna bring out the big guns (bernard and rose) until next weeks episode, this week they’re gonna stay on the guys who just returned.
WTF IS UP WITH LINUS
Comment 1027, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
i dig the new name
Comment 1028, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
um im not rlly sure. cuz we’ve seen he wants good for the island. and also he disobeys jacob. so anything could really go down with this dude. but the big question is with the reuniting of the oceanic 6 will the island go back 2 regular time?
Comment 1029, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
good point, and also they gave something away on the preview, that some1 is rlly working for the others, tht should be interesting
Comment 1030, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
yes. very thought provoking sneak preview. gets me excited. anyways there are a lot of twists this season making it tuff to follow. but im trying to maintain a loyal fan. i think they have some brain power to write this storyline. i mean seriously. name one other person in this world who can think of that stuff?
Comment 1031, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
chuck norris
Comment 1032, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
true dat…. i have to go. i will be back and blogging tomorrow!
peace
Comment 1033, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
pce out boy scout
Comment 1034, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A CHATROOM?
Comment 1035, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
gmta leah wrote:
Leah, you do know that was all one person don’t you?
Comment 1036, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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It crossed my mind
Comment 1037, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Circus Mom wrote:
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How can you tell ?
Comment 1038, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
The writing mannerisms.
Comment 1039, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
fyi…. there’s a uk ajira site that will stream tonight’s ep [after it has aired] without any commercials. i have it bookmarked so i can watch at work the next day.
since i don’t have a dvr.
http://www.ajiraairways.co.uk/portal.php
Comment 1040, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hi everybody. I read this blog regularly, but this is my first time posting. Has anyone mention the reason why the bodies of the dharma iniciative people were not buried? It was very important for Amy to do that with the two killed by Sawyer and Juliet. Could they be the whisperers since they were not buried? Could they go back to life if not buried?
Comment 1041, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee, that was the scene I was talking about, and you are right that his attitude about the situation was less than enthusiatic due to Charlotte- but the whole time he has been being shady in the information he gives (no different from any other character I guess) And the way he said it both times seems more like he thinks it impossible to make any kind of move at all.. Which we know isn’t true. Either he isn’t aware of the entirety of what he is saying, or he is trying to make sure that Sawyer and co. do as little as possible. Now that I think about it though, it does make more sense that he would be trying to keep them low… so as not to mess up more things. which I’m pretty sure is where Daniels real guilt comes from.messing so many things up. (so close…)
Comment 1042, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Toeknee wrote:
Thanks for the answer and I agree with the second part, I am not sold on the “Whatever they decide to do, that is what they’ve always done.” Not YET. ONE timeline for me does not loop.
Comment 1043, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWW9vw_ZmmI
here is a clip giving us/me some closure on Vincent for the time being..in my opinion the dog died in the crash..and the island needs him or has work for him to do…as far as rose and bernard are concerned…I believe them to be in the temple or at least with richard and the others…we will see widmores exile from the island sooner than we think..(next few episodes) also..as for tonights episode it wont give us many answers at all…its going to be all pointless drama between sawyers new crew and the losties…they dont trust each other…sawyer new sayid for 3 months..hes lived at this new place for 3 years…blah blah blah…hes gonna reject kaite..blah blah…all stupid drama to build tension for the big event to come soon…I really hope im wrong..but im usually not…cocky but true..
Comment 1044, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Hi everybody. I read this blog regularly, but this is my first time posting. Has anyone mention the reason why the bodies of the dharma iniciative people were not buried? It was very important for Amy to do that with the two killed by Sawyer and Juliet. Could they be the whisperers since they were not buried? Could they go back to life if not buried?
-was Anna Lucia buried?
Comment 1045, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
what do i smell bad?
Comment 1046, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Just Wondering
Comment 1047, posted 1 year, 5 months ago -
Just wondering where everyone is.
Comment 1048, posted 11 months ago -
“Presented yet again with the never-ending love triangle that is Jack, Kate, Sawyer; who will Kate ultimately choose?”
I don’t mean to be rude, but I don’t care about Kate or her love life.
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