I can’t wait to see how the Losties react to Jack and Juliet’s attempts to gain trust, especially considering the skepticism that exists with Sawyer and Sayid. And let’s face it, Sayid is one badass mofo that you WANT on your side…

Hopefully we get more from Naomi as well as it relates to her true allegiance. I am beginning to suspect she is a plant by Ben to divert both the Losties and the Others from his greater scheme.

I don’t know. Ben seemed honestly suprised when Mikhail told him about her.

Will wrote:

I don’t know. Ben seemed honestly suprised when Mikhail told him about her.

Meg, I generally agree with you, but it seems to me that perhaps Ben is playing both sides and that is ultimately why Jack and Juliet are together. Further, maybe Naomi was planted there to help divert the greater attention of both factions so that whatever Ben has planned for the showdown could be achieved.

Hopefully we get more from Naomi as well as it relates to her true allegiance. I am beginning to suspect she is a plant by Ben to divert both the Losties and the Others from his greater scheme.

I don’t think she’s a Ben plant. I think that if she is an other, then she was sent by the people that Ben is connected to in the outside world to help re-establish communication to the outside world. Though you can’t trust Ben. His reaction to her arrival and her helo crashing was a surprise to him.

But you have to think… does Ben know that Desmond is back? Sure he knew that Desmond was in the hatch.. they could go and watch him… however… as far as they know he left on his boat and is still circling the mystery island. Remember how shocked he was to discover that the losties had a boat?
So… if he doesn’t know that Desmond has joined up with the losties…. how would he know to plant Naomi w/ info that is Desmond specific?

They know he’s back for likely several reasons. but most likely because the boat he was surprised about is now in their possesion (that’s when Sun killed Pickett’s wife).

Now if they only answer what happened to Walt & Michael!!

As for Naomi. I don’t think that she is a ‘plant” by Ben. I really think that Penny sent her and it stems from last season’s finale with the 2 Portuguese men in the snow getting the blip on the radar, and how Penny said that with enough money you could find anyone. I really think that she never gave up on finding Desmond, and used the resources she had to find him.

That being said, I cannot wait for tonight’s episode!

I don’t think Naomi is a plant for the main reason of her arrival. If Ben sent her, why would she be sent the way she was. She almost died, and if that had happened, Bens plan, if he had sent her, wouldn’t have worked. I don’t know if this is actually making any sense. I’m having trouble putting words to my thought.

I am still wondering if Naomi said “I am not alone” as someone translated, why is she not sending the Losties back out to find the other person? That would be my very first concern.

Meg wrote:

I don’t think Naomi is a plant for the main reason of her arrival. If Ben sent her, why would she be sent the way she was. She almost died, and if that had happened, Bens plan, if he had sent her, wouldn’t have worked. I don’t know if this is actually making any sense. I’m having trouble putting words to my thought.

I am still wondering if Naomi said “I am not alone” as someone translated, why is she not sending the Losties back out to find the other person? That would be my very first concern.

I think her comment was about the people on the ship out a mile or so off the island.

Meg wrote:

I don’t think Naomi is a plant for the main reason of her arrival. If Ben sent her, why would she be sent the way she was. She almost died, and if that had happened, Bens plan, if he had sent her, wouldn’t have worked. I don’t know if this is actually making any sense. I’m having trouble putting words to my thought.

I am still wondering if Naomi said “I am not alone” as someone translated, why is she not sending the Losties back out to find the other person? That would be my very first concern.

I am thinking that if Naomi isn’t with Pen, than her not alone comment was intended for the others and because she was in and out of conciousness, she may not have realized that she even said and to who it was said.

I think her comment was about the people on the ship out a mile or so off the island.

Yes, that would make sense. I still feel there is something we don’t know - flying at night and all that…

Sorry to change the subject.

Meg wrote:

I think her comment was about the people on the ship out a mile or so off the island.

Yes, that would make sense. I still feel there is something we don’t know - flying at night and all that…

Yeah, there’s definatley something…odd… about her arrival and just the fact that she’s there. I don’t entirely trust her.

Hammer did you catch the last several entries in the “Man Behind the Curtain” thread about the skeleton with the bullet in the head being a woman? I was really hoping you might have some thoughts on who it might be.

Sorry to change the subject.

FYI - posted some thoughts over at the TMBTC thread.

1) i agree completly with will. ben ALWAYS finds away to stay on top of things. even when sayid was torturing him he found a way to learn more about him. he was messing with the losties the WHOLE time he was down in the hatch. he is gonna stay ahead of jack & julliette. naomi too.

2) naomi is a spy from somebody. she’s NOT from penny, i just can’t decide if she really is an other or if she’s with dharma or somebody else altogether. there’s something wrong about her. the way she came in, patchy helping her (he would NOT have helped Charlie or anyone else), her, ben’s reaction (it wasn’t lets go in & kill her, it was lets go in & meet her).

3) it’s kinda funny that everybody (practically everybody) on here is waiting for Sayid to say more about naomi before they make up their minds about her.

4) why is there a pic of jack on the top of this thing. ain’t it charlie’s ep?

I think her comment was about the people on the ship out a mile or so off the island.

It’s actually 80 nautical miles off the coast. That’s a significant distance for her to say ‘I’m not alone’.

Personally, I think Naomi isn’t connected with Penny in any way. I can’t explain how she got the picture of Pen and Des, and I don’t know what else she could be doing on the island other than being in some kind of cahoot with Big Bad Benry, but I like the idea that this is an attempt by the outside world to contact The Others, and not rescue the 815 survivors.

I think JAcks picture is on there because its considered a spoiler knowing whose episode it is. Please don’t tell us whose it is.

1) it’s a couple hours away from the show, your the one reading the blog ahead of time. 2) how is whoose episode it is a spoiler? 3) everyother time whoever’s episode it is has the picture. but i guess will can do whatever he wants. right? 4) i must hav something with giving away somethings that aren’t important to me in the least & hav other people consider them spoilers. 5)everybody who’s reading this is probably wasting there time. :) 6) aren’t u glad i havent’ read what’s happening on the show yet?!

p.s is a a 2 hour episode tonight or one more next week??

p.p.s when does lost restart again i only just started watching about a month or so ago (caught up in two weeks it was amazing)so i dont know how long it goes off for

1) Naomi.
Just to learn a little more about her but i think she’ll be a season 4 feature.
2) Jack & Juliet.
Need to find out what they are up to. I think Jack is ahead of Ben AND Juliet here. Is Julie planning a purge of the beach ala Ben killing his Dad ect? I re-watched the ep last night (cant remember title sorry) where Julie is taken to the island. She looks pretty dam sad as she’s setting up her tent & the scene is overlapped with Ben stating what she has to do & that he’ll be there to get her in a week. She’s Sad perhaps because she knows she’ll have to off her new love interest in Jack as Ben already sent her man Goodwin off to Ana Lucia & the Tailies & look where that got him.
3)The Walt & Michael Issue.
You know all the losties basically hate Michael for his deception so whatever happens with these guys will be interesting.
Seeya all soon!

- yah!!! Rose, Bernard, & Carl are back!!!!!! Rose & Bernard were tying knots & carl came to worn the losties!

- I knew jin would want to know why julliette said their name on the tape & them all looking at sun! but as usual, she didn’t tell him the WHOLE truth.

- what happened to alex’s hand??? Is it just me or did they look a bit torn up?

- so ben just makes up what they say??? I don’t remember anything when ben & Jacob were fighting that sounded (this is judging from ben’s lines) like Jacob said “take all preggers ladys & kill anyone who get in the way.”

- alex & carl make the cutest couple!!! I want them to stay together. J

- Charlie knows nadia!!!!!! She’s awesome! Her & sayid are destined for each other & WILL (mark my words) find each other!

- if I find out that Charlie’s ring gets exploded I’m gonna cry! If one of the things that meant the most to him get exploded? Nuh-uh. No thank u. no ma’am!

- we finally get to see Charlie & Claire meeting! He is so sweet! Now I’m gona cry & cry! U wanna complain about locke maybe possibly being dead, he didn’t/doesn’t have anybody like Charlie. Charlie has 3 people (Claire, aaron, & me!).

- more people get knocked out on this show than anyother show in the world!

- I thought Charlie couldn’t swimm, but now he suddenly can? PLEASE tell me what I missed! J

- who’s the blonde chick? I seem to remember her.

Build up the emotion and in the end Charlie doesn’t even die.

Anywho, I know everyone is assuming Charlie died. I am positive that he wont, next week anyways. He will be down in that station for at least a few episodes next season. Other Losties will think he is dead, but he wont be. I think Bernard is done for. He will be the shows answer to a “major” character dying. I bet the last 5 minutes of next week will include some mysterious rustling which implies (possibly doesnt 100 percent confirm) that Locke is still alive.

I honestly have no idea what is going to happen in the final two hours of this season. There are so many different directions in which they can take the show - a “Choose your own adventure” of sorts for the writers.

-Is anyone else wondering why they didn’t just try to cut the cable that runs to the Looking Glass station?

-Once again, Sayid proves to be the only person on the island that is thinking rationally.

-Alpert looked genuinely surprised and upset that Locke didn’t return with Ben. It’s a sign to me that there is definitely a major rift between them.

-Did I hear correctly that Juliet told Sun “I’m sorry I lied to you.” ? I take that as a confirmation of the common theory that Jin really isn’t the father, and that Sun won’t have to die.

I don’t know, there was a lot of small little things in this episode that play into the big picture, but it didn’t have the jaw-dropping revelation like many of the more recent episodes. Regardless, I enjoyed the story quite a bit. I’m not sure why there has been so much anti-Charlie sentiment among the fans of this blog recently, but I disagree with it. Charlie is still a capable and valuable character to this show.

Now, bring on the onslaught… I imagine there will be well over 100 comments by the time I wake up!

What a terrible episode. We got absolutely nothing out of it. 2nd worst episode of the year behind Volkswagon Bus.

Anywho, I know everyone is assuming Charlie died. I am positive that he wont, next week anyways. He will be down in that station for at least a few episodes next season. Other Losties will think he is dead, but he wont be. I think Bernard is done for. He will be the shows answer to a “major” character dying. I bet the last 5 minutes of next week will include some mysterious rustling which implies (possibly doesnt 100 percent confirm) that Locke is still alive.

I agree, though I do think he will die in the season finale after trying to flip the swithch and getting into some kind of scuffle with one of those girls.
Still, I think they had a great opportunity to transmit something other than mere schock or suprise by killing him at the end of tonight’s episode and they wasted that.

Episode was garbage.

well, anyways the episode. it wasn’t an amazing episode like last week’s or the brig but it was still good. i’d like to thank the writers for making me go from charlie can die to he can’t die! not a kick ass episode but an emotional ep. i’m going to cry, cry, & then cry some more if they kill him.

i have to rewatch the episode since i missed about the first 15 minutes thanks to company, so forgive me if i’m not all in on it.
1) i thought charlie could NOT swimm. he couldn’t save that chick who drowned in sea. 1 cuz he couldn’t swimm. now he can swimm to the underwater hatch?
2) as usual, when jin asked what’s going on with sun, she only tells him the 1/2 truth.
3)carl’s back! him & alex make the cutest couple! :) i’m such a girl. i was ballin when charlie & claire met, when charlie met nadia all i can think is “nadia & sayid ARE going to meet! they’re gonna get back together!” so i don’t remember what she said to charlie. it was somethin about im bein a hero right?
4)did this episode prove that ben just makes up what jacob says? i don’t remember ben saying anything that sounded like an answer to what he told price (i thought that’s what ben called him) to do in his fight with jacob.

Well then, let the games begin! Is this episode gonna draw another ~750 comments?!

I honestly have no idea what is going to happen in the final two hours of this season. There are so many different directions in which they can take the show - a “Choose your own adventure” of sorts for the writers.

-Is anyone else wondering why they didn’t just try to cut the cable that runs to the Looking Glass station?

-Once again, Sayid proves to be the only person on the island that is thinking rationally.

-Alpert looked genuinely surprised and upset that Locke didn’t return with Ben. It’s a sign to me that there is definitely a major rift between them.

-Did I hear correctly that Juliet told Sun “I’m sorry I lied to you.” ? I take that as a confirmation of the common theory that Jin really isn’t the father, and that Sun won’t have to die.

I don’t know, there was a lot of small little things in this episode that play into the big picture, but it didn’t have the jaw-dropping revelation like many of the more recent episodes. Regardless, I enjoyed the story quite a bit. I’m not sure why there has been so much anti-Charlie sentiment among the fans of this blog recently, but I disagree with it. Charlie is still a capable and valuable character to this show.

Now, bring on the onslaught… I imagine there will be well over 100 comments by the time I wake up!

I think Juliet apologized to Sun for being dishonest about “making sure the baby was ok” when it really was all about collecting data for Ben.

The tension between Alex and Ben continues to grow. She seems to be aware that Ben might be here adopted father, wonder if that will speed up her “wanna kill daddy” complex.

Definite worry from Alpert at the sight of Ben without Locke. Doubt we will see Locke til next season, at the very earliest, the end of next episode.

Jack is awfully demanding of trust, but it seems he was just being hard headed rather than a trader.

Liked the Greatest Hits theme. It was sweet.

not bad but not great episode

- this episode tore down the fence around everybody’s heart we’d built up so we wouldn’t care if charlie dies. now we’re all cryin ahead of time.

- i’m wondering the same thing fmgreensteve is, why didn’t they just cut the wires? hopefully sayid will have some line to explain that to us next week.

WOWOWOWOWOWOW!!! in the prieview, right after the gun is handed off, there is a little mettal thing that says “DS” anyone know what that means

i believe that was in reference to Drive Shaft

AND:
fmgreensteve - knew that would cum up! but it’s evidence for my theory, so does that allow me to break the guidlines?

Is it just me or did the brunette in the hatch look like the girl the Sawyer conned/ the girl the helped Kate see her mom? I dunno… Only saw a glance.

The tension between Alex and Ben continues to grow. She seems to be aware that Ben might be here adopted father, wonder if that will speed up her “wanna kill daddy” complex.

Definite worry from Alpert at the sight of Ben without Locke. Doubt we will see Locke til next season, at the very earliest, the end of next episode.

Jack is awfully demanding of trust, but it seems he was just being hard headed rather than a trader.

Liked the Greatest Hits theme. It was sweet.

not bad but not great episode

I thought the same thing about the brunnette… probably the reason that they had her hold the riffle up so close to her face, so we couldn’t ID her yet.

Lost Chicka: Alex’s hand was bloody because she had just killed a rabbit and was going to prepare it for Carl and her to eat. (Another Rabbit refference for “The Looking Glass”).

I am also thinking that perhaps the vision that Desmond had this time did not end in charlie drowning but by getting shot or something more painful, perhaps (something else)… that is why he didnt want to tell him, or he wanted to take his place

exactly what i’m thinking. charlie is gonna or will get killed in some other way by blondie & brilliant brunette (as u might be able to tell, i’m a brunette).

another thing i’ve noticed, sayid is great at tackling people! he must’ve been great at football. (furture flashback episode right there. ;) how sayid became a great tackler in iraqi football.)

The metal DS is Charlie’s ring, which stands for “Drive Shaft”, the name of his band!!!

from what i saw, it was someones initials, which in turn was turned into the name of the band. im watchin it again and will be back with some more physical evidence on this.

- thank god rose is back! i’ve missed her o-so-true comments like “since u’ve been back u’re almost an optimist.” to jack. :) she makes me smile.

- did they film the scene of charlie & claire meeting the first season or did they put that in recently like they did with paulikki? stupid question but i wanna know.

- apparantly charlie is the only one on the island who does not have a daddy issue. the one and only time we see his dad (well, i’m pretty sure it’s the only time), it’s one of his greatest moments.

re-watching the episode {i get eastern & western showings :)} a couple things i’ve noticed:
1) was it really neccessary to bring EVERYBODY out into the jungle to meet danielle? couldn’t jack have just said “look, danielle the french chick is gonna bring some dynamite over. when the others get here, we’re gonna blow ‘em up into tiny bits.” and the example was a bit much too, all tho it was fun to watch. :)
2) wtf is wrong with jack? he has NO time for anybody other than julliette (& danielle). sayid is smart, brilliant, & still rational.

AND:
fmgreensteve - knew that would cum up! but it’s evidence for my theory, so does that allow me to break the guidlines?

my girlfriend commented that i sure hate gratuitous blowin’ things up. After polar bears/smokey/others/dead people/ghosts. . .does jack need to grandstand about what a dangerous place this is. Also, aren’t they short of wire? good tactical planning. That tree could have been smokey!

also–charlie’s great!

I think the interesting thing is that desmond did not show up before it rained on charlie? what do you all think this means as far as time line stuff?

Ben loves rabbits and Alex was cleaning a dead one, also a nod to Alice in Wonderland.

We need an explanation of how Ben got Locke’s gun. I am sure it has to do with the little time wrinkle that appeared to happend in Jacob’s shack when the lantern fell to the floor.

We did not see Desmond on the London street when Charlies was singing Wunderwall and the camera deliberately panned from Charlie’s perspective to look at the crowd.

The two women in the Looking Glass appear to be dressed in the same garb as Naomi (gonna need to watch again to confirm). Must be an extremely important station to be guarded like that.

Did Sayid have some other motivation for sending Jack to the radio tower with everyone else? I am not so sure that he trusts Jack yet.

Why would Desmond offer to take Charlie’s place knowing he would botch the timing of a rescue attempt?

Some folks mentioned cutting the cable from the Looking Glass. I am not so sure that would affect the signal but I get the impression that station could be the key to the island’s little miracles - it appears to be a generator of sorts. Water powered? Cutting that cable might just get them killed if it the power source.

Information about the dead from the plane wreckage seems more and more like a real event than a story Naomi made up. Memorials and greatest hits album. What gives?

Charlei’s ring on the beach could foreshadow his return.

No Locke! Is he gathering his power to re-emerge like Gandolf the great white wizard?

Looking forwad to so many more ideas!

I found it interesting that people thought it was not exciting because Charlie didn’t die. I expect that if Charlie did die in this episode, people would have complained that it was too predictable, being that it was a Charlie-centric episode, and being that early in the episode Desmond said “this time you have to die”.

It seemed a bit strange to me that Rousseau was so willing to go along with Jack’s plan to blow up all the Others. Wouldn’t she be concerned that Alex would be among the group of Others that came to get the women? Perhaps Juliet told Rousseau offscreen that Alex probably wouldn’t be part of that group, but how would Rousseau know for sure that that was true? Either Juliet could be lying, or the Others’ plan could have changed.

AND:
fmgreensteve - knew that would cum up! but it’s evidence for my theory, so does that allow me to break the guidlines?

lostchicka - sorry to say, the rule is “No spoilers or discussion of episode previews.” Using information shown in an episode preview as evidence for your theory could be considered cheating. :)

And then I read that the lady Charlie helped in the alley was Nadia, the girl Sayid was in love with? I didn’t notice that at all while watching.

Now, to see if the hat wearing lady in the rain was Naomi?

Alpert looked genuinely surprised and upset that Locke didn’t return with Ben. It’s a sign to me that there is definitely a major rift between them.

I agree, and he seemed very concerned that Ben was changing the plan to get the Losties’ women right away instead of waiting until the next day. I wonder if he (Alpert) is aware of Jack and Juliet’s plan to blow up the invading Others.

Hey,…I thought the Brunette in the station might be Cindy (other section of plane). Hum….

I thought so too, at first, but we just saw her on the island with the Others a day or two ago (island time). Without a sub (assuming Locke did indeed blow it up), how would Cindy have gotten to that station? Swim to it like Charlie did? Maybe, but my guess is that it’s some other woman we haven’t met yet.

- apparantly charlie is the only one on the island who does not have a daddy issue. the one and only time we see his dad (well, i’m pretty sure it’s the only time), it’s one of his greatest moments.

We did see his father once before, I think it was in the “Fire & Water” episode from last year. In that flashback, I think his father was dressed as a butcher, with a bloody apron, chopping up dolls, and he said some mean things to Charlie. It was kind of a surreal flashback, perhaps drug-induced, so I don’t know how accurate of a depiction of Charlie’s father that was. But he did come across as a mean father, much the opposite of what we saw last night with the swimming.

lost chicka - being a repeat spoiler offender…I’m considering skipping your posts like I do with another well known offender. I don’t understand why you guys want this site to be like the rest.

I have no idea why Charlie had to knock Des out in order to go himself! It wasn’t like Des twisted his arm or insisted, he just peacefully offered to go instead! Couldn’t Charlie just said no, I’m the one who should go?

Like someone stated earlier, there is likely a reason. I wonder if Dez will lose his flashing ability.

ToeKnee - I think so…part the Ben overthrow conspiracy.

I am also thinking that perhaps the vision that Desmond had this time did not end in charlie drowning but by getting shot or something more painful, perhaps the XXXXXXXXXXXXX… that is why he didnt want to tell him, or he wanted to take his place

Come on people, it’s one of the damned rules!!

Bobola wrote:
Maybe the three toed statue was an animal!
Maybe the Others are Scientologists…that would be scary!

That made me laugh out loud!! The guy who plays Ethan is Tom Cruise’s real life cousin!!

I loved Sayid’s tackle, even though it was just Karl!! He just seems like the only one who is not fueled by his own agendas.

The other thing that stood out to me was Alex’s gun. Last week she gave it to Locke and it was turned against him. Did she know that would happen? This week she gave it to Carl. Must be some significance to that.

awww….XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!

sorry

As somebody a whole lot smarter than anybody here once said, “Come on people, it’s one of the damned rules!!”

Whoa…what did I do to deserve that comment? I don’t claim to smarter than anyone else.

LOL just kidding, paraphrasing Tom when he quoted Alvar Hanso or whoever said that thing about curiosity.

For one item on Charlie’s list, I thought it was going to be “The night I hooked up with two groupies”, not the bit with the ring.

I thought Drivshaft only had produced one album - is that correct? Even if they had 2 albums, how do they warrant a “Greatest Hits” album? They supposedly had only one single that anyone ever heard.

Charlie is one of my favorite characters. It was more shocking to see him not die last not versus ultimately thinking he would based on Desmonds vision. Charlie will survive and live happily ever after with Claire and Aaron.

Hammer wrote:

Whoa…what did I do to deserve that comment? I don’t claim to smarter than anyone else.

LOL just kidding, paraphrasing Tom when he quoted Alvar Hanso or whoever said that thing about curiosity.

Whew…thought I offended you. Went right over my head.

Toeknee wrote:

Hammer wrote:

Whoa…what did I do to deserve that comment? I don’t claim to smarter than anyone else.

LOL just kidding, paraphrasing Tom when he quoted Alvar Hanso or whoever said that thing about curiosity.

Whew…thought I offended you. Went right over my head.

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No no no, not at all. Like you, I’m sick of seeing the spoilers popping up in every third post. Sorry for the confusion.

I thought Drivshaft only had produced one album - is that correct? Even if they had 2 albums, how do they warrant a “Greatest Hits” album? They supposedly had only one single that anyone ever heard.

I was thinking along those lines. I thought maybe it was Naomi lying to gain more trust.

I’m uncertain that Ben, like many others have said, is running as tight a ship as he’d like to be currently. There is definitely dissention among his crew.

Desmond saves Charlie indirectly from drowning in another episode, I think this was actually the first premonition we saw from Desmond.

Now Charlie is a champion swimmer? Charlie jumping in the water could have been a turning point type event. This could have been influenced by the cyclical time theory or possibly Desmond.

I dont get why Ben was in such a rush and why he would want to kill anyone who gets in the way. It seems hes really rattled where in the past he has been much cooler.

Does no one think that it was Desmond’s plan all along to go down for Charlie? That he knew what was down there?

I don’t think this is the case. If it had been, wouldn’t he have just gone ahead on his own? Why would he need Charlie to go out on the boat at all?