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]]> By: Kratom http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader/comment-page-10#comment-336131 Kratom Tue, 19 May 2009 00:00:27 +0000 http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader#comment-336131 I love lost... nothing better on TV today ! Bring on season 10... thats what I say ! I love lost… nothing better on TV today ! Bring on season 10… thats what I say !

]]> By: John Rohsenow http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader/comment-page-10#comment-335721 John Rohsenow Sat, 16 May 2009 07:45:09 +0000 http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader#comment-335721 This two hour season (but NOT SERIES!) finale, starts off with an ambiguous fair-haired male staying up all night weaving on an ancient loom in his simple monk like lair under an ancient Egyptian/Babylonian? statue on the mysterious Island. As day breaks, he catches a fish (an old Christian symbol), guts,cuts, and cooks it on the beach. After breakfast he is joined by a somewhat more worn looking salt and pepper dark-haired man, who, when offered some of the fish, says, "No thanks, I already ate." There ensues a conversation, initially focused on a old fashioned sailing ship on their horizon, which the second man claims that the first has drawn to the Island. [We can assume that this ship is the slave ship, the Black Rock, which the later castaways find years later wrecked far inland, full of decaying dynamite.] As they discuss how the people on the ship will fare on the island, the darker second man asserts that it will always end the same way in conflict, corruption, and death. The blonde replies that that is not the end, but rather that until the final END, it is only "progress." Rather abruptly the darker one states that he would like to kill the fair-haired one,which the first one calmly affirms to be true, and notes that maybe the dark man can "find a loophole" which will allow him to do just that. Then the dark man rises and leaves. In addition to the action plot taking place in 1977 with Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Juliet, Sayid, Jin, Hurley, and the Chinese-American Miles trying to blow up the Island. AND the second action plot taking place in 2007, with Richard Alpert leading John Locke, Ben, Sun, Lapides the airline pilot, and the some of the other "Hostiles" to meet the mysterious Jacob, almost all of the flashbacks during this two hour season finale depict the first light haired man (Jacob), having visited all of the main characters at various crucial points in their lives as a complete stranger, and interacting with them briefly {e.g., Jacob was there when John Locke (presumably) threw himself off a roof and crippled himself from the waist down, as Locke was in the initial episodes until his miraculous recovery after he landed on the Island.] Thus when Alpert finally leads them to the what remains of the ancient statue and admits Locke (and Ben) to go in to see Jacob within it, we are not surprised to see that Jacob is in fact the light haired man introduced at the beginning of this two-hour episode. Jacob makes a comment to Locke to the effect that "I see you have found your loophole." Locke has extracted a promise from Ben that Ben will kill Jacob, in revenge over the death of Ben's adopted daughter Alex, as well as what Ben perceives as Jacob's ignoring him during his 35 years of faithful service to him on the Island. Jacob tells Ben evenly that whatever Locke has told him, he still has a choice (free will) as to whether to act or not. Ben then lists his grievances, and complains that he was never permitted to see Jacob during all his years on the Island, whereas he says that Locke was immediately taken to meet Jacob, "like Moses," as soon as Locke requested it of Alpert. Ben concludes, "What about me?", to which Jacob replies in a very neutral tone (into which one may or may not read indifference), "What about you?" which infuriates Ben and causes him to stab Jacob to death. [In the meantime, "back" in 2007, intercut scenes outside reveal that the Russian woman whom Jacob had recruited from a Russian hospital to help him arrest Sayid and force him to come back to the Island, is outside, showing Alpert and the others that in fact they have the dead body of the (real?) John Locke right there with them, having retrieved it from the recently crashed plane. So we are forced to wonder as they do, if the real John Locke is dead and outside the statue, then WHO is the John Locke who is inside with Ben, killing Jacob????? This, in 2007, is a much a cliff hanger as is the final scene of the other action plot, when Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and especially Juliet back in 1977 detonate a (small) hydrogen bomb (sic) at the site of the future Swan Station/hatch, where Desmond's failure to reset the computer 27 years later had caused Oceanic flight 806 to crash on the Island, and set the original series plot in motion.] Analysis: The opening sequence of the light haired Jacob and the unnamed darker man talking at the statue, and the constant flashbacks throughout the two hours of Jacob in effect visiting all the the main characters in this drama, many of them when they were children, concluding with the murder of Jacob beneath the ancient statue at the instigation of (what appears to be) a resurrected John Locke clearly RE-frames the entire plot of the series as a sort of contest between the fair haired Jacob (in his human incarnation) and an opposing force. IF, as we are led to ask by having the late John Locke's body rudely dumped out in front of our eyes in the final scenes, the real John Locke is in fact dead, then WHO is the "John Locke" who has persuaded Ben to kill Jacob, and why was Jacob so ready to leave it up to Ben to decide whether or not to kill him, explicitly giving Ben the option of exercising his free will? Given the "set up" of the conflict in the opening scenes between Jacob and the dark haired man, who does not appear again during the entire two hours, AND given that we know that many of the characters have been visited or motivated by other dead figures from their pasts (e.g, Jack's deceased father, Dr Christian Shepard (sic), appearing (sometimes along with his daughter Claire) to Locke and many others, but telling Locke that he could not help him to turn the Wheel of Time beneath the Orchid Station), then it seems obvious that the "John Locke" inside the statue who has persuaded Ben to kill Jacob is in fact the dark haired man who (as Jacob notes) has "found his loophole" and found a way to accomplish the desire which he originally expressed in the show's opening scene: to find a loophole which would allow him to kill Jacob and realize his pessimistic view of the world. The names and other Christian symbolism throughout the series all seem to point to a restatement of the eternal struggle between Light and Dark, Good and Evil, God and Satan, with a Paradise Lost type emphasis on Man's CHOICE to choose one or the other through his Free Will. (It is also interesting that the Island (the show is filmed in Hawaii) is reminiscent of the Garden of Eden, and fact it may turn out that is IS the actual Garden of Eden, constantly migrating through Time and Space from its original location in the Middle East, where the Time Travelers all seem to end up whenever they turn the Wheel of Time and escape from the magical Island.) We will probably have to wait until next January or February, 2010 to see the final (six?) episodes and the final denouement. But I wonder if by visiting all the principal characters at crucial points in their earlier lives, whether Jacob has "set them up" to come to the Island (first via the first plane crash of Oceanic 806), just as he apparently lured the slave ship Black Rock to the Island years before, and then again later by their choosing to return to the Island with Jack (via the second plane crash in 2007) to enable them to exercise THEIR Free Will as well, and to make choices which might offset the evil influences of his Dark haired opponent, and save the Island (Paradise on Earth?) once more, thus allowing one more act of that "progress" which he stated in the opening scenes was another step toward the final "end," presumably the End of Days/Time predicted in the Book of Revelations. This resolution calls to mind the end of the similarly themed film starring Al Pacino (Devil's Advocate?) where -having been defeated in his quest to corrupt the young lawyer played by Keanu Reeves,- Satan (wonderfully played by Pacino) turns back Time, and starts his attempt all over again. This two hour season (but NOT SERIES!) finale, starts off with an ambiguous
fair-haired male staying up all night weaving on an ancient loom in his
simple monk like lair under an ancient Egyptian/Babylonian? statue on the
mysterious Island. As day breaks, he catches a fish (an old Christian symbol),
guts,cuts, and cooks it on the beach. After breakfast he is joined by a somewhat
more worn looking salt and pepper dark-haired man, who, when offered some
of the fish, says, “No thanks, I already ate.”
There ensues a conversation, initially focused on a old fashioned sailing ship
on their horizon, which the second man claims that the first has drawn to the
Island. [We can assume that this ship is the slave ship, the Black Rock,
which the later castaways find years later wrecked far inland, full of decaying
dynamite.] As they discuss how the people on the ship will fare on the island,
the darker second man asserts that it will always end the same way in conflict,
corruption, and death. The blonde replies that that is not the end, but rather that
until the final END, it is only “progress.”
Rather abruptly the darker one states that he would like to kill the fair-haired
one,which the first one calmly affirms to be true, and notes that maybe the dark
man can “find a loophole” which will allow him to do just that. Then the dark man
rises and leaves.
In addition to the action plot taking place in 1977 with Jack, Kate, Sawyer,
Juliet, Sayid, Jin, Hurley, and the Chinese-American Miles trying to blow up the
Island. AND the second action plot taking place in 2007, with Richard Alpert
leading John Locke, Ben, Sun, Lapides the airline pilot, and the some of the
other “Hostiles” to meet the mysterious Jacob, almost all of the flashbacks during
this two hour season finale depict the first light haired man (Jacob), having
visited all of the main characters at various crucial points in their lives as a complete
stranger, and interacting with them briefly {e.g., Jacob was there when John Locke
(presumably) threw himself off a roof and crippled himself from the waist down, as
Locke was in the initial episodes until his miraculous recovery after he landed on the
Island.]
Thus when Alpert finally leads them to the what remains of the ancient statue and
admits Locke (and Ben) to go in to see Jacob within it, we are not surprised to see
that Jacob is in fact the light haired man introduced at the beginning of this two-hour
episode. Jacob makes a comment to Locke to the effect that “I see you have found
your loophole.” Locke has extracted a promise from Ben that Ben will kill Jacob, in
revenge over the death of Ben’s adopted daughter Alex, as well as what Ben perceives
as Jacob’s ignoring him during his 35 years of faithful service to him on the Island.
Jacob tells Ben evenly that whatever Locke has told him, he still has a choice
(free will) as to whether to act or not. Ben then lists his grievances, and complains
that he was never permitted to see Jacob during all his years on the Island, whereas
he says that Locke was immediately taken to meet Jacob, “like Moses,” as soon as
Locke requested it of Alpert. Ben concludes, “What about me?”, to which Jacob replies
in a very neutral tone (into which one may or may not read indifference), “What about
you?” which infuriates Ben and causes him to stab Jacob to death.
[In the meantime, "back" in 2007, intercut scenes outside reveal that the Russian woman whom Jacob had recruited from a Russian hospital to help him arrest Sayid and force him to come back to the Island, is outside, showing Alpert and the others that in fact they have the dead body of the (real?) John Locke right there with them, having retrieved it
from the recently crashed plane. So we are forced to wonder as they do, if the real
John Locke is dead and outside the statue, then WHO is the John Locke who is inside
with Ben, killing Jacob????? This, in 2007, is a much a cliff hanger as is the final scene
of the other action plot, when Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and especially Juliet back in 1977
detonate a (small) hydrogen bomb (sic) at the site of the future Swan Station/hatch,
where Desmond's failure to reset the computer 27 years later had caused Oceanic flight
806 to crash on the Island, and set the original series plot in motion.]
Analysis:
The opening sequence of the light haired Jacob and the unnamed darker man talking
at the statue, and the constant flashbacks throughout the two hours of Jacob in effect
visiting all the the main characters in this drama, many of them when they were children,
concluding with the murder of Jacob beneath the ancient statue at the instigation of (what
appears to be) a resurrected John Locke clearly RE-frames the entire plot of the series
as a sort of contest between the fair haired Jacob (in his human incarnation) and an
opposing force. IF, as we are led to ask by having the late John Locke’s body rudely
dumped out in front of our eyes in the final scenes, the real John Locke is in fact dead,
then WHO is the “John Locke” who has persuaded Ben to kill Jacob, and why was Jacob
so ready to leave it up to Ben to decide whether or not to kill him, explicitly giving Ben the option of exercising his free will? Given the “set up” of the conflict in the opening scenes between Jacob and the dark haired man, who does not appear again during the entire
two hours, AND given that we know that many of the characters have been visited or
motivated by other dead figures from their pasts (e.g, Jack’s deceased father, Dr
Christian Shepard (sic), appearing (sometimes along with his daughter Claire) to Locke
and many others, but telling Locke that he could not help him to turn the Wheel of Time
beneath the Orchid Station), then it seems obvious that the “John Locke” inside the statue
who has persuaded Ben to kill Jacob is in fact the dark haired man who (as Jacob notes)
has “found his loophole” and found a way to accomplish the desire which he originally
expressed in the show’s opening scene: to find a loophole which would allow him to kill
Jacob and realize his pessimistic view of the world.
The names and other Christian symbolism throughout the series all seem to point
to a restatement of the eternal struggle between Light and Dark, Good and Evil, God and Satan, with a Paradise Lost type emphasis on Man’s CHOICE to choose one or the other
through his Free Will. (It is also interesting that the Island (the show is filmed in Hawaii)
is reminiscent of the Garden of Eden, and fact it may turn out that is IS the actual
Garden of Eden, constantly migrating through Time and Space from its original location
in the Middle East, where the Time Travelers all seem to end up whenever they turn the
Wheel of Time and escape from the magical Island.)
We will probably have to wait until next January or February, 2010 to see the final
(six?) episodes and the final denouement. But I wonder if by visiting all the principal
characters at crucial points in their earlier lives, whether Jacob has “set them up” to
come to the Island (first via the first plane crash of Oceanic 806), just as he apparently
lured the slave ship Black Rock to the Island years before, and then again later by their choosing to return to the Island with Jack (via the second plane crash in 2007) to
enable them to exercise THEIR Free Will as well, and to make choices which might
offset the evil influences of his Dark haired opponent, and save the Island (Paradise
on Earth?) once more, thus allowing one more act of that “progress” which he stated
in the opening scenes was another step toward the final “end,” presumably the End
of Days/Time predicted in the Book of Revelations. This resolution calls to mind the end
of the similarly themed film starring Al Pacino (Devil’s Advocate?) where -having been
defeated in his quest to corrupt the young lawyer played by Keanu Reeves,- Satan
(wonderfully played by Pacino) turns back Time, and starts his attempt all over again.

]]> By: Shadow http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader/comment-page-10#comment-335700 Shadow Sat, 16 May 2009 05:15:17 +0000 http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader#comment-335700 Does anyone know if there's something wrong with "The Incident" thread. Its stuck on 311 comments since last night, the last comment is not fully visible on the screen and the comment box at the bottom I can't scroll to. HELP! I'm having withdrawals. Does anyone know if there’s something wrong with “The Incident” thread. Its stuck on 311 comments since last night, the last comment is not fully visible on the screen and the comment box at the bottom I can’t scroll to. HELP! I’m having withdrawals.

]]> By: Mal http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader/comment-page-10#comment-335066 Mal Wed, 13 May 2009 19:19:00 +0000 http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader#comment-335066 [quote comment="335044"][quote comment="335038"] Hmmm... maybe it is viable, I dunno. I just don't understand why the plane would crash if it never encountered interference from the Swan Station. But, you're right about the ending. The idea that the series ends with them landing in LA is very engraging.[/quote] The plane lost radio signal and was a thousand miles off course before it crashed. The Swan Station did not have to be the interference that caused the radio to go out. PILOT: Six hours in, our radio went out; no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place. : ) P[/quote] ahhhhh.... good show! PJSander wrote:

Mal wrote:

Hmmm… maybe it is viable, I dunno. I just don’t understand why the plane would crash if it never encountered interference from the Swan Station.

But, you’re right about the ending. The idea that the series ends with them landing in LA is very engraging.

The plane lost radio signal and was a thousand miles off course before it crashed. The Swan Station did not have to be the interference that caused the radio to go out.

PILOT: Six hours in, our radio went out; no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand miles off course. They’re looking for us in the wrong place.

: ) P

ahhhhh…. good show!

]]> By: Cleo McCoy http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader/comment-page-10#comment-335063 Cleo McCoy Wed, 13 May 2009 19:09:54 +0000 http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader#comment-335063 I have been saying for weeks that Sawyer is Locke! I completely agree with you! Last week when Locke saw himself in the jungle confirmed it for me. That proves that a person can exist at the same time as themselves at a different age- well, at least in the show they can :) Can't wait to see what happens tonight! I have been saying for weeks that Sawyer is Locke! I completely agree with you! Last week when Locke saw himself in the jungle confirmed it for me. That proves that a person can exist at the same time as themselves at a different age- well, at least in the show they can :) Can’t wait to see what happens tonight!

]]> By: Cleo McCoy http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader/comment-page-10#comment-335059 Cleo McCoy Wed, 13 May 2009 19:04:47 +0000 http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader#comment-335059 [quote comment="334296"]Has anyone heard the theory about John locke and Sawyer being the same person? because I have but I've never heard the evidence to back it up . So i have done some"research" to see if it plausable and its very plausable. 1)Sawyer is left orphaned after his father does a murder sucide Locke is shown living in an ophanage. 2)Sawyer was born in 1969 if he leaves the island in 1977 now he would leave at the age of 35 and if goes off island that means theres going to be another him thats 8 years old (the age he was when his father died and killed his mother), so if sawyer lives off island till 2004 (the time of oceanic 815) he would be 62 but locke is only 48 on that flight but he looks 62 to me idk this Sawyer rule also Applies to juliete but i dont know to much about her band i dont know her real age So i believe this is the reason sawyer changed his name to LaFlar IDk ... but let me know what you thnk all i know is1977 is the year sawyers life turns into a nighmare[/quote] Mrs.Awesome wrote:

Has anyone heard the theory about John locke and Sawyer being the same person? because I have but I’ve never heard the evidence to back it up . So i have done some”research” to see if it plausable and its very plausable.

1)Sawyer is left orphaned after his father does a murder sucide Locke is shown living in an ophanage.

2)Sawyer was born in 1969 if he leaves the island in 1977 now he would leave at the age of 35 and if goes off island that means theres going to be another him thats 8 years old (the age he was when his father died and killed his mother), so if sawyer lives off island till 2004 (the time of oceanic 815) he would be 62 but locke is only 48 on that flight but he looks 62 to me idk this Sawyer rule also Applies to juliete but i dont know to much about her band i dont know her real age

So i believe this is the reason sawyer changed his name to LaFlar

IDk … but let me know what you thnk all i know is1977 is the year sawyers life turns into a nighmare

]]> By: PJSander http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader/comment-page-10#comment-335044 PJSander Wed, 13 May 2009 18:26:40 +0000 http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader#comment-335044 [quote comment="335038"] Hmmm... maybe it is viable, I dunno. I just don't understand why the plane would crash if it never encountered interference from the Swan Station. But, you're right about the ending. The idea that the series ends with them landing in LA is very engraging.[/quote] The plane lost radio signal and was a thousand miles off course before it crashed. The Swan Station did not have to be the interference that caused the radio to go out. PILOT: Six hours in, our radio went out; no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place. : ) P Mal wrote:

Hmmm… maybe it is viable, I dunno. I just don’t understand why the plane would crash if it never encountered interference from the Swan Station.

But, you’re right about the ending. The idea that the series ends with them landing in LA is very engraging.

The plane lost radio signal and was a thousand miles off course before it crashed. The Swan Station did not have to be the interference that caused the radio to go out.

PILOT: Six hours in, our radio went out; no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand miles off course. They’re looking for us in the wrong place.

: ) P

]]> By: Mal http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader/comment-page-10#comment-335038 Mal Wed, 13 May 2009 18:16:02 +0000 http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader#comment-335038 [quote comment="335020"][quote comment="334967"]I wanted to post this theory here because I wrote the following in support of a comment by a user "vacc" on another blog. Posted by: vacc I think that if Faraday's plan actually works and 815 doesn't crash on the Island, it was actually destined to crash into the ocean - winding up in almost exactly the same location as the plane Charles Widmore planted. This may explain Faraday's emotional reaction upon seeing news of the plane's recovery. Perhaps the Losties discover this fact in the moments before Jack gets the chance to showcase his new bomb detonation skills.. ___________________________________ I really think is a viable outcome. I Had put this idea in a theory document I keep. This conclusion is based on the idea that Desmond is outside the rules and can change events. Desmond causes Flight 815 to crash on the island, and since the plane was meant to crash into the ocean, all those survivors are factors that are not intended to be around. The reason the O6 must all return,is that they all need to get LOST on the island so that they are not variables in the equation. This is why Eloise says that they all must go back or God help us all. Remember Aaron is still a variable. He was never to be born, and he is in the real world equation. The only downsides to this are that all of them should be dead, and the events on the island may have no consequence in the outside world[/quote] This idea is certainly viable and much less aggravating than the "they land in LA" possibility. What if, when the plane crashes "about where Widmore put it" and they DON'T all die? Maybe Widmore put the fake plane there to create the reality that was SUPPOSED to happen. Maybe those on "the list" (which list, I do not know) were the only ones who were supposed to survive? Dunno. But it opens a much better door for me to go through than the idea that the plane lands safely in LA! : ) P[/quote] Hmmm... maybe it is viable, I dunno. I just don't understand why the plane would crash if it never encountered interference from the Swan Station. But, you're right about the ending. The idea that the series ends with them landing in LA is very engraging. PJSander wrote:

steve wrote:

I wanted to post this theory here because I wrote the following in support of a comment by a user “vacc” on another blog.

Posted by: vacc
I think that if Faraday’s plan actually works and 815 doesn’t crash on the Island, it was actually destined to crash into the ocean – winding up in almost exactly the same location as the plane Charles Widmore planted. This may explain Faraday’s emotional reaction upon seeing news of the plane’s recovery.

Perhaps the Losties discover this fact in the moments before Jack gets the chance to showcase his new bomb detonation skills..
___________________________________

I really think is a viable outcome. I Had put this idea in a theory document I keep. This conclusion is based on the idea that Desmond is outside the rules and can change events. Desmond causes Flight 815 to crash on the island, and since the plane was meant to crash into the ocean, all those survivors are factors that are not intended to be around. The reason the O6 must all return,is that they all need to get LOST on the island so that they are not variables in the equation. This is why Eloise says that they all must go back or God help us all.

Remember Aaron is still a variable. He was never to be born, and he is in the real world equation.

The only downsides to this are that all of them should be dead, and the events on the island may have no consequence in the outside world

This idea is certainly viable and much less aggravating than the “they land in LA” possibility.

What if, when the plane crashes “about where Widmore put it” and they DON’T all die? Maybe Widmore put the fake plane there to create the reality that was SUPPOSED to happen. Maybe those on “the list” (which list, I do not know) were the only ones who were supposed to survive?

Dunno. But it opens a much better door for me to go through than the idea that the plane lands safely in LA!

: ) P

Hmmm… maybe it is viable, I dunno. I just don’t understand why the plane would crash if it never encountered interference from the Swan Station.

But, you’re right about the ending. The idea that the series ends with them landing in LA is very engraging.

]]> By: steve http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader/comment-page-10#comment-335026 steve Wed, 13 May 2009 17:53:38 +0000 http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/follow-the-leader#comment-335026 [quote comment="335010"][quote comment="335007"][quote comment="334973"]I like the reasoning behind Daniel crying when he sees the crash is because his older time travelling self is dead...so his consciousness shot over into his younger off island body..this is why he is having such brain problems with memory and emotion...he needed a constant...like des[/quote] I had read an earlier post in which someone speculated that when Daniel received the journal from his mother, the book was already filled in. Meaning, his mother found his journal in 1977 after Daniel died and kept it until he was in Oxford, still filled in. Which is why Daniel kept consulting his notebook and always seemed surprised to find what was written in the pages... For example, when Daniel reads the passage that says "Desmond Hume is my constant", he seems shocked to find this written there, or, he had already seen it written there, but did not know who Desmond Hume is until they meet in Oxford. I think that is a very viable theory... it raises the question of, if he received it full, when did he ever write in it? But then again, WHH.[/quote] ___________________ Totally...also to to add to that, I don't think we ever saw Daniel actually write it in...only reference it![/quote] ____________________________ The journal given to Daniel on graduation day appears brand new with tight pages that have never been opened. I believe Daniel does fill in the pages over the course of his research. I don't think was surprised to the entry about Desmond in the journal, as much as he was reacting to the vindication that his idea actually worked. IMO Daniel changed his own past by sending Desmond to Oxford and giving himself a constant in both time periods. This also why he knows he can send Desmond to find his mother. JZ wrote:

Mal wrote:

Ra wrote:

I like the reasoning behind Daniel crying when he sees the crash is because his older time travelling self is dead…so his consciousness shot over into his younger off island body..this is why he is having such brain problems with memory and emotion…he needed a constant…like des

I had read an earlier post in which someone speculated that when Daniel received the journal from his mother, the book was already filled in. Meaning, his mother found his journal in 1977 after Daniel died and kept it until he was in Oxford, still filled in. Which is why Daniel kept consulting his notebook and always seemed surprised to find what was written in the pages… For example, when Daniel reads the passage that says “Desmond Hume is my constant”, he seems shocked to find this written there, or, he had already seen it written there, but did not know who Desmond Hume is until they meet in Oxford.

I think that is a very viable theory… it raises the question of, if he received it full, when did he ever write in it? But then again, WHH.

___________________

Totally…also to to add to that, I don’t think we ever saw Daniel actually write it in…only reference it!

____________________________

The journal given to Daniel on graduation day appears brand new with tight pages that have never been opened. I believe Daniel does fill in the pages over the course of his research. I don’t think was surprised to the entry about Desmond in the journal, as much as he was reacting to the vindication that his idea actually worked. IMO Daniel changed his own past by sending Desmond to Oxford and giving himself a constant in both time periods. This also why he knows he can send Desmond to find his mother.

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