Dead Is Dead
11 months, 1 week ago by WillRead more: Ben, Lost Episodes, season 5
Given the conclusion of last week’s episode (the Locke “I’m back from the dead moment” as Ben wakes up) and the cryptic title of this episode, I cannot help but think of the irony of the situation. If Lost has taught us anything, it would be that dead is not necessarily dead. After last week’s episode we have a better understanding of the circumstances that lead Ben to the Hostiles, and hopefully this week will find out a good bit more about the pyramid, the smoke monster and exactly how Ben loses his innocence.
ABC’s Official Show Description
Spoiler Alert
“To atone for sins of the past, Ben must attempt to summon the smoke monster in order to be judged.”
This is the first episode description I can recall where the smoke monster is actually referenced directly – for that reason alone this is really one of the more important episodes of Season 5. The implications are vast, but I doubt tonight we find out exactly what the smoke monster is, there is still too much time left in the series for that! Based on the preview, it looks like we’ll get some additional story from Ben’s off-Island experiences with the Oceanic 6 – remember how beaten and bruised he was getting on Flight 316 – just how did that happen?
Dead is Dead Episode Preview
Sneak Peeks
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Comment 1, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I’m gonna go ahead and toss this idea in the hat, just for fun. What if Ben was beating the crap out of himself (“I’m kicking my ASS, got a problem?”)so that he could render himself unconcious and switch with himself circa 1977?
New ep tonight, keeping myself open for any possibilities. I wanna see some 77 Widmore/Hawking (yeah Hawking, you know, Ellie… Faradays mom…)
Comment 2, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hello all. I’m new to the blog here, but have been an avid reader for about 6 months now. I have seen every episode, and I’m in love with this amazing show. I have a little time, so I thought I would finally post something.
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wallyp wrote:
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wallyp – I never thought about the posibility of Ben self inflicting…ver interesting. I think you could def be on to something there.
As far as what I would like to see… I really hope we get to see anything/something about how the dead can be “living” again, and more on Ben’s backstory. Maybe we will finally get to see Faraday again… present age or his younger self. I miss that guy.
I hope soon, very soon, that we can have more of an understanding of the temple/statue/smoke monster. These are what intrigue me the most.
Ok, now it’s the waiting game until tonight. Till later!
Comment 3, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Think we’ll get any insight as to where Farraday is on tonight’s episode?
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Jason wrote:
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Right out of my mouth, lol.
I really hope so Jason!
Comment 5, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LostGuRu wrote:
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I don’t think we’ll see good ole Dan tonight, it sounds like this episode will be more about Ben and Smokey. I hope we get to see what Ben meant last season about “the rules”, and what is so special about the temple…maybe we’ll even get to see Alex & Rousseau?
Comment 6, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Alex was not buried, so she could be wondering around. I like the idea of Ben going back to be judged. I still believe Ben is the good one here. What about John? He could have landed in the temple, and lost his innocence too. That could explain why he is so mysterious now.
I think the smoke monster is either Alpert or Jacob.
Comment 7, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
‘Dead is Dead’. But John is not dead. He was dead. So dead is not dead, right. Why should whatever happened, happened be correct, but not dead is dead?
If whatever happened, happened, then the characters in ‘77 have no free will, and are merely filling in the time that already happened. That’s not very exciting to me.
Comment 8, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Agreed.
Comment 9, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Last night, I listened to the latest audio podcast… in it D&C said that they had already written the Miles/Hurley and the Time Travel explanation scene before the first episode of the season aired. I believe that could be true.
They ALSO said that they had already written the death episode for Nikki and Paulo before their “premier” episode even aired. I believe this directly contradicts other podcasts in which they told us that they wrote N&P IN because of the fans (who wanted to see more background characters), and also wrote them OUT because of the fans (because the fans didn’t like them).
Things that make you want to say hmmmmm.
I have said many times that I think N&P were there for a reason. I wonder…
: ) P
Comment 10, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Is Ben being judged because he came back after turning the FDW? Or his actions throughout his life of deceit and murder?
He turned the FDW to save the Island and keep it hidden, but Christian then told Locke that he was the one that was supposed to move it and he also says “When did listening to Ben get you anywhere worth a damn”.
I believe that the Island controls Apparitions like Christian, Echo’s brother, Rousseau’s crew because their dead bodies are on the Island and it uses them to play out the cards as needed. Are these manifestations controlled by Richard and The Others. Are The Others themselves some sort of spirits that use these bodies? Do the others answer to someone or something larger? IMO many of Richard’s scenes show a weakness in him like he answers to someone or something. Even in the most recent episode when some of the Others say something along the lines of “you shouldn’t do this without asking Elli, and if Charles finds out” and he replies with “I don’t answer to either of them”.
Why would this random guy question Richard’s decision making if he is in charge. I just keep feeling like there is some hidden higher person up on the Other totem pole that Richard answers to. He just seems like he is always suprised.
Also I feel like Ben is working for this higher Island power, one could argue that it’s Jacob but then why wouldn’t Richard know about him in the past if Jacobs the head honcho. Im officially rambling
Comment 11, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
That’s a good point about Dead is Dead vs. WHH.
I would argue that the characters DO have free will. They are doing what they choose to do, it’s just that it has already happened. It’s almost no different from what is going on in our own daily lives, except it’s being shown to us in a story format. I think that is where the writer’s are headed with this ideology.
Comment 12, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Christian arrives on the island dead and becomes Jacob. Now Locke arrives on the island (in Christian’s shoes) dead. Is he now Jacob, and if so what happens to Christian? Is he the new Ben and Ben the new Richard? Have they all been Jacob at one time, including Whitmore?
Just looking for some ideas on this.
Comment 13, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ken wrote:
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Christian said he was not Jacob in ‘Cabin Fever’.
Comment 14, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I’ll walk down an absurd path. “Dead is dead” may be asking us to reconsider definitions. If Locke is dead now while he obviously appears to be living – then we should rethink what is “living”. Maybe “living” means being on the time line and having an effect on events whereas “dead” is outside the timeline with an indirect effect on events and an ability to move within time/space. Maybe Alpert is dead explaining his ability to move and his near precognition. Christian couldn’t touch Locke at the bottom of the well perhaps because Christian is dead and can’t directly interfere. Obviously he is giving information and advice which effects events, but maybe that’s where the course correction comes into play? Maybe the dead aren’t keeping to themselves in an attempt to course correct. I feel like I started rambling.
Comment 15, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
But they had free will in 77 – they are just repeating the decisions they previously made.
Comment 16, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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But they do have free will in the sense that they made the choices in the past (1st time around – if WHH). For example, if you film a day in your life and then watch it later – the YOU in the film can’t change anything, WHH, but you DID have free will at the time. Not a perfect example, I know, but if we think of WHH this way, it might help.
Comment 17, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Maybe he lied.
Comment 18, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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I meant to add that maybe we should be looking at these “past” events as flashbacks – to the original happenings. No different than watching someone’s backstory, of what happened BEFORE. I’m not sold on the loop theory just yet.
Comment 19, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So RGS, Rita, Jay: You are saying that whatever happened, did happen, however dead is not really dead? Why is it inconsistant?
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Rita wrote:
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IF they had been in the 70’s before, then to me the difference is this time around they know they are time traveling, so are they doing what they did or are they varying?
Comment 21, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I believe it is consistant. The past version like young Sayid cant die..cause he didnt. But the new version can. That being said, if the new version dies on the island…there is some supernatural or unexplained process with the island/others/egyptian theme that makes you somehow not dead…maybe the title “dead is dead”…could mean..that the way we think of dead…is dead…here is a new way to think of dead…maybe?
Comment 22, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
Excellent post. I completely agree. It’s almost as if they are having a little fun with us.
Maybe they are referring to smokey and if smokey kills you Dead is Dead. No coming back from that one. Is the character of Ben going to meet his end?
Comment 23, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
or maybe “dead is dead” could be once you die…YOU…your soul and spirit are also gone…but the island uses the bodies to carry out is will…maybe it means dont be fooled..the christian shephard you see isnt christian shepherd…christian is dead…its the island/others?…kinda like Rousseau’s fiancee who turned evil
Comment 24, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Jay wrote:
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Maybe, but I doubt it. Has he been known to lie? Does that fit with his character? IMO, CS or any other character we met is NOT Jacob.
Comment 25, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
Could be, but the Locke we see appears to be Locke.
Comment 26, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
true true lost4ever…maybe hes special…or im just wrong
Comment 27, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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If Jacob is anybody, it’s Vincent. Speaking of dogs and islands(to myself of course)…I have another example of how everything reminds me of LOST!!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/04/australian-cattle-dog-survives-for-months-alone-on-australian-island.html
Comment 28, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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I haven’t thought about it like this, but I get it. If the ‘77 losties had already lived in ‘77 back when ‘77 came around the first time (before time travel) then what were they thinking at that point and how come they don’t remember ‘77 from the first time? They couldn’t have been in ‘77 the first time around because they had not time traveled yet. It’s like this: you have to go through ‘77 without the losties the first time around so the losties can get to 2007 and time travel back to ‘77. How could they be in ‘77 without time traveling there?
Comment 29, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I’m interested to see what’s going on with the Ajira 316 survivors. They have to follow up on Walt’s dream when he said that locke was surrounded by people that wanted to kill him.
Comment 30, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
1st time poster. One thought occurred to me thats probably not true but somewhat intrigues me. What if the 77 losties and what they did or did not do to Ben has something to do with Locke now being alive? The fact that what happened to little Ben in 77 caused 2008 Ben to not kill Locke. Just a weird thought, that doesn’t really flow with the normal things we’ve seen with dead people in the show.
Comment 31, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
1st time poster. One thought occurred to me thats probably not true but somewhat intrigues me. What if the 77 losties and what they did or did not do to Ben has something to do with Locke now being alive? The fact that what happened to little Ben in 77 caused 2008 Ben to not kill Locke. Just a weird thought, that doesn’t really flow with the normal things we’ve seen with dead people in the show.
Comment 32, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
That’s a lot of 77’s but I see what you are saying. Why would Sayid shoot Lil Ben the first time around if he didn’t experience all the things Ben did to him, right?
Comment 33, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I know this is off topic but can I just say, I am really disappointed in Lost lately. Usually I am excited about Wednesdays (pathetic I know) but I forgot today that it was even on. I feel like Lost is just not the same. Not only is it completely NOT believeable its stupid at times. I think about this up coming episode of “Ben summoning the ever so illusive smoke monster to judge him” just sounds ridiculous. Now I haven’t seen the episode yet (obviously) so maybe it will be better than I am hoping. And yes I am still going to continue to watch but I just feel its not what it used to be. I feel like they are running out of things to write about. Yes, its clever how a lot of things are tied in and the writers are definitely gifted. But I am so bummed out about it. Does anyone else feel this way? Just curious?
Thanks!
Comment 34, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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YES!!!! So my previous post…what ever happened, happened is different that what ever happened ALWAYS happened.
Comment 35, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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Heidi,
I truely believe that the writers of the show know exactly what’s going to happen all the way to the finale. Yes, it’s true we actually have a deadline for seasons, maybe making for less “filler” episodes. I know alot of you out there think that there already filler episodes, including 2 weeks ago (which, IMO, was NOT filler what-so-ever), but I just know the writers can’t afford to just “lose” an episode due to filler.
So, Heidi, I guess I kind of disagree with you in that I’m not bummed at all, in fact I always look forward to Wednesdays. Just keep an open mind and let the writers take us there. We have come so far. Somethings seem ridiculous, but everything has it’s purpose, we will all see! :-)
till Later!
Comment 36, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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I do have a question regarding the “Sneak Peak #2 above.
Who are these people who have these clips of the episodes before it even airs? The poster on youtube said he has had it for months now.
Just curious.
Sorry for going off topic, but it still kind of refers to this coming episode. :-)
till Later!
Comment 38, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Heidi: I feel the same way. Maybe I’m wrong but I thought D&C said way back when that everything could be explained without resorting to some mumbo jumbo time travel / zombies / magic / nanobots etc etc. They seem to be plunking away at this list, and their constant references to “zombie season” in the podcasts make me think they’re having a laugh on us.
One (unrelated) question though. So, Kate left the harbor, took Aaron to his grandmother, then came back to Jack & got on the plane the next day, right? Ok, so how did her hair go from being long, straight & nearly jet black (looked good, though) to being kinda short, frizzy & old island style brown again when Sawyer first sees her?? Petty, I know, but she looks like 2 different people.
Comment 39, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LostGuRu wrote:
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Heidi, I’m with LostGuRu on this one. I LOVE LOST!! Can’t help it. Keep an open mind – we don’t know if what the previews suggest will be ridiculous or not until we see it. Honestly, even if it IS ridiculous, I WILL LOVE IT! It is just a story and doesn’t HAVE to be more than that. It is interesting that first we all scream that we want answers, but when they start coming in, we call the episodes “filler”. Hang in there, I think it will be worth it. :)
Comment 40, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
To me Faraday is the key. Whatever he is off doing I believe he is the only one that can make this show not as crazy. If they give scientific explanations to the TT (i.e. Quantum Mechanics, Relativity, and Theoretical physics) then maybe it wont seem so NOT believable.
I love the show and hope Lost is the seed that starts a new wave of TV just like it. Steering us away from Reality TV and toward an interaction between the show and the viewers. I love how this is a show that requires thinking, theories and discussion
Comment 41, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
Another way to look at it that may be helpful is to think of the island as an actual entity, or entirely separate world. We are looking at things from the perspective of the ISLAND. In the ISLAND’s time line, the 2004 Losties travelled back to ‘77 and did their thing.
From the perspective of the 2004 Losties, it was their second trip to the entity of the ISLAND, but first time being in 1977 ISLAND. To the 1977 Dharma folks, their take was that it was the first time those Losties appeared on the ISLAND.
The ISLAND’s timeline would/could look something like:
1000 BC: 4 toed Statue of____ built
1502 AD: Black Rock lands (all times are guesses)
1948: US Army Lands and starts tinkering around igniting battle between Others and them.
1952: 6 TT Losties run into Widmore & Co., Locke goes and talks to Richard Alpert giving him a compass then disappearing right before their eyes.
1954: H-Bomb buried on island
1956: RA goes on a mission to confirm weird info given to him by Locke.
1970: Dharma lands and begins experiments/other stuff Others decide to let them slide until they get too nosey.
1971: War breaks out between Dharma and Others, truce is declared.
1972: (POSSIBLE THEORY) Locke or Jacob tells RA that Dharma’s got to go.
1973: Others really don’t want Dharma folk on ISLAND, begin plot to rid themselves of them by having RA approach young Ben, possibly other children?(just another random theory).
1974: Sawyer & Co. land on ISLAND and save Ethan’s mother, interacts with RA, mention’s Locke again. This fires up RA and he makes another attempt to convince Locke through his HS teacher to check out Mittelos.
1977: Rest of Losties appear on ISLAND, Sayid shoots Ben, Ben is handed over to RA.
1977-1980: Dharma stations built, fully operational.
1980: (Possible theory) Daniel Faraday causes ‘the incident.’
1984: (Possible theory) Losties flash out of 1977 ISLAND, to 2007 ISLAND, shortly after Ajira crash.
1987?: Rousseau’s team crashes on island, encounter Jin, Jin disappears before Rousseau’s eyes.
1992: Purge happens?
200X: Desmond lands on ISLAND begins pushing button.
2004 Losties crash on ISLAND
2004: Losties split, some leave ISLAND, some begin TT.
2007: Losties that left return on Ajira flight splitting again to 1977 ISLAND, and 2007 ISLAND.
2007: Something that happens in tonight’s episode
2007: Ceasar and friends try to track down Locke (for some reason) and begin firing on him and other Losties in other rigger right before they disappear.
Feel free to add other events.
Comment 42, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Right there with ya Ra.
till Later!
Comment 43, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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I do not feel that way at all. If you were trying to explain the smoke monster to someone who did not watch Lost, but just heard that description of this episode, it would really sound silly. I find the smoke monster terrifying and can’t wait to see it “judging” Ben. We really are getting a lot of answers now and maybe the answers are not going to be what everyone wants them to be, but I find Lost to be as brilliant as ever. I can’t wait for Wednesday nights. The first thought that crosses my mind on Wednesday mornings is that Lost is on tonight. My experience of Lost is that it is the best tv show I have watched, my all time favorite.
Comment 44, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LostGuRu wrote:
I am pretty sure that the “no spoiler” rule applies to the “sneak peak” videos (above) even though they are there. I know that LostGuRu didn’t mention things that happened specifically in the videos, so this isn’t about that – just wanted to put that out there so that those of us who want to avoid ALL spoilers don’t have to avoid this site, too!
As to where people get these clips, I don’t know about the YouTube ones, but I know that ABC releases clips to the media early Wednesday.
: ) P
Comment 45, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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They, in the 70’s, always knew they were time traveling. Sawyer, in the 70’s, is always 35 years old and has always experienced his first 35 years of life. Sawyer, in 2004 can’t remember the 70’s because he is only 34 years old and hasn’t been to the 70’s yet. If there is a Sawyer in 2010 he will remember it all because he will be 40 years old and will have experienced all of it. It sort of takes 4 demionsional thinking.
Comment 46, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
dukes909 wrote:
I think it’s a simple as… off island, she’s got a hair dryer, a flat iron, etc. and the time to do her hair. Then she gives up her kid, hits the sack with Jack, gets on an airplane (hair braided at that point, I recall), flashes out, and then lands in the water on the island, where her hair frizzes out on the VW bus ride to see Sawyer. And I’m not even a hairdresser!
Comment 47, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
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I agree!!!!
Comment 48, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Comment 46
LOL Funny!
Comment 49, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Yes, discussing previews is a spoiler on this site (at least that’s how it used to be).
Comment 50, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
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sector7 wrote:
ROFLOL.
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Comment 52, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
Maybe D&C stands for Dream Crushers, because they are also presenting the story as if characters did not have the desire to change something in the past (i.e. Sawyer’s comment to Juliette about seeing Kate again when delivering Claire’s baby) and it is something that should not happen (Marvin Candle’s panic about letting the two rabbits be too close).
So while in your example you could meet your younger version, you would not be able to, either because THE ISLAND would not let you, or you wouldn’t have the desire to do so, or something else would prevent it. Moreover, the WHH folks would then say, “yeah you could’ve met yourself…but you didn’t…that’s just the way it went down.”
Comment 53, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
See what happens when one tinkers with something w/o fully understanding how to do it (see my last 1/2 regular 1/2 bold post). Just like revisiting yourself w/o fully understanding the consequences, you could end up ripping the flex capacitor.
Comment 54, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Thanks guys. Just to clarify though. I didn’t watch it, I was directed to the video and stopped it right away after i realized it was from tonight’s episode.
I would never spoil anything for you all and even myself. :-)
sorry if I gave the implication.
till Later!
Comment 55, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Oh yeah!!
5hr 20 min till tonights show!!!!!!
I’m really excited!!(if you can’t tell)
till Later!
Comment 56, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I know I threw this out there already but I’d love to hear any/all thoughts on what exactly Ben is being judged for..is it because once Richard took him into the temple and made him one of them a certain set of rules may have been laid before him. Like once you leave the island you can never come back. Maybe thats why Ben had so much help off the Island from people like Jill the butcher and Elle. Maybe they too have left and are banished but still “one of them”?
Comment 57, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
or was it because hes just a bad dude and smokeys pissed?
Comment 58, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
I think smokey hungry and has a cravin for a ben sandwich. Hold the onions please.
Comment 59, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
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When did Ben say he was there to be judged?
Comment 60, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Officially he hasn’t yet.
Comment 61, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
in the promo he say “i came here to be judged”. I dont beleive thats a spoiler is it? I mean its on TV everyday. If it is I apologize.
Comment 62, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I guess rule number 4 covers that. I didnt see it and I apologize. I wont let that happen again, but I still think thats no spoiler…I mean cmon..its one thing to try and find leaked answers but who doesnt stay tuned for scenes from the next lost…do you guys honestly change the channel when you see a lost commercial?…if so…props to you…sorry again
Comment 63, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
Yeah, it is a spoiler. Some of us manage to avoid all commercials, including the previews for the following week. I am going to stick my fingers in my ears, hum loudly and pretend I didn’t read that.
I know you didn’t mean it, and appreciate the apology. Just saying, YES, it is a spoiler, so others don’t follow suit.
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Comment 64, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Back after a two week break of no comments (had baby on the 27th and have a eighteen month old at home).
Maybe the smoke monster is made up of the consciousness of the “elders” or prevoius leaders. Ben broke the rules by turning the wheel when he was not supposed to, and then returned to the island, which, once again, he was not supposed to do. In the mean time he killed Locke (for all purposes), and who knows whom else. Seeing that the island brought Locke back to life, Ben knows that he messed up. He now has to go in front of the elders, aka smokie, and be judged on whether he can remain on the island, or if he is to be exiled.
Comment 65, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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lost4ever so are you saying they arent in a time loop? I just cant get my mind around the whatever happened happened thing! because of what you said right there! why would he shoot him the first time around for no reason. he had to experience all that ben did to him for him to have a reason to try and kill him. so there is a time loop??? but why wouldnt they remember doing this before? being in the 70’s before
Comment 66, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
I do. I learned my lesson last year, although rule number 4 is rarely followed because of all the new posters, like I was last year when I “broke the rule”.:)
Comment 67, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
Welcome back and congrats!!
Comment 68, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I dont know whos in charge of this site but isnt it alittle silly that its at the top if we are not sopposed to discuss it…thats kind of confusing for newcomers …wont happen again though…please dont red shirt me and sentance me to a frogurt death
Comment 69, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
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It’s cool. But if you look above the promos it says SPOILER ALERT…then the rules say don’t discuss preview. You can look at them if you want…just don’t talk about them.
Comment 70, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Congrats Miraks on your new edition! I too have 2 young children. Ironically our baby was born on September 22nd!!!
Comment 71, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Amber wrote:
I have no idea what I’m saying.:) I am on the side that thinks WHH but not WH, ACTUALLY happened. I can’t wrap my head around the IDEA of the first time around, so I guess I am not buying the time loop theory, at least not yet. It has confused me ever since it was posted on this blog a year or so ago.
Comment 72, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
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Feel lucky you’re not the one that has to be judged before smokey.
Comment 73, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hey – maybe Frogurt is Jacob! No stinking fire torch can stop him!
Comment 74, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
Congrats Miraks.
I remember when smokey first approached Eko, when he was with Charlie. I remember seeing the images that smokey flashed to him and they appeared to be events that happened to him during his life.
Comment 75, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Congratulations Miraks! Funny, I always thought you were male. Guess not!! :)
Comment 76, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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I’m goona have to agree with you there. I don’t think we’re supposed to take the episode titles too litterally. The past has proven for them to simply serve as good fuel for the fire. If we too take WHH literally it always rules out free will and we’re left with a good explantion for the 108 loop if you ask me….an attempt to keep whatever always happens from happening.
This is mhy theory and I’m stickin to it…
There are two methods of Time travel the conscious and the physical. I think the nosebleeds on both methods of Time Travel are do the proximity one has from the other version of himself AND the duration of consciousness in that version. Too long or too close leads to nosebleeds followed by death. Can’t have two versions of yourself in the 70’s right? Charlotte’s last words was a simple merging of consciousness with her younger self. If your future self dies in the past your consciousness is sent to that past version. Meaning charlotte’s mind went back to the kid version in the 70’s just as Desmonds would have been merged with his younger self had not Farraday saved him. Of course, if you do die and younger consciousness reboots itself into your younger version, you remember nothing.
SO…I think that the others have the ability to unstick ones mind from time and send it to a past/future version of yourself …. OR *drum roll* another persons body or “Remember when we used to celebrate birthdays?”
Once in the temple, Maybe Richard sends the Bens consciousness to the to the future version of Ben on the smaller island.
I still say Jacobs consciousness was sent through time into John
I think the end game numbers/incident scenario causes the death of all the losties who’s consciouness are all immediately sent back to the past which coarse corrects them all right back to flight 815 with recollection. Which means all they had to do was stay and the wouldn’t have ended up dying in the past. What we know of John and Charlottes past is certainly implies the possibilty of this.
I think they should have kept pushing that button “Time travels a bitch” ;-)
I ‘d also like to agree with the whole 108 minute time loop theory. The rules do not apply to Desmond because he was the ONLY person to arrive on the island DURING the time loop that wasn’t there before….AND who survived long enough to leave. Therefore he has the ability change the time line anytime before 2004
Comment 77, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Mia wrote:
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You are so lucky!! I want a baby born on Sept. 22!! If it’s a boy I am naming him Aaron or Jacob!
Comment 78, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
Comment 79, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Congrats, Miraks! You picked a couple of good weeks to take time to be with the baby – it was a bit heated around here in your absence! LOL.
Tasha, as long as you don’t name him Oceanic, or LOST, or Darlton, I think we’re good! LOL.
Television and movies definitely shape the baby-naming process. Before Splash, there were no Madisons around. Until Days of Our Lives, no one had a Kayla. Until (the first) 90210, no one had a Brandon or Dylan. Nobody heard of Mallory or Chandler until Family Ties and Friends. I wonder how many Evangelines, Hurleys and Juliets there will be in Kindergarten in a few years!?
: ) P
Comment 80, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So podcast is not spoiler?
Comment 81, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Someone mentioned the island being critical of Ben perhaps for leaving. If that’s the case then RA is in trouble for leaving to pick up Juliette. Ethan already got his. All I can say is I hope so much light is shed on Ben tonite and I have a feeling he’ll come out on top. I really think he’s a good guy and believes in Locke’s importance. I remember thinking Locke couldn’t kill himself and return to the island because that may ruin his, call it “purity”. Anyways, GO BEN
Comment 82, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Congrats Miraks! I had my second in August, it certainly makes life more interesting!
PJ, I’ll bet the top names in Kindergarten are Emma and Benjamin…Friends was a pretty popular show five or so years ago too, lots of little Emmas running around!
In other news…I’m so excited to learn more about Ben tonight, maybe we will feel differently about him if we get to see how he “lost his innocence”…seems interesting that that is the term used, when we saw Rousseau’s husband post-Smokey he seemed pretty intent on killing his pregnant wife…does Smokey invoke that level of hostility in all it’s victims? Maybe they’re called Hostiles for a real reason!
Comment 83, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Congrats Miraks! My wife’s due date was April 4. Still no baby yet. I thought it would have happened today for sure (Murphy’s Law since Lost is on tonight). We’re naming him Elijah. Watch it happen during the ep tonight! Funny that my cousin had a baby several months ago and named him Ethan. I said, “why? Don’t you watch Lost?”
Comment 84, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Congrats to you too Sector7!! Here’s hoping it happens very soon for your wife’s sake. Elijah is a nice name.
Comment 85, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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Tasha wrote:
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I just realized how old you bloggers are……. LOL!!!! I just had to take a stab. I mean you did bring up ‘Splash’.
;-)
Comment 86, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LINS wrote:
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New to post.
PJ, I love the Splash and Days references. I’ve used those two many times as prime examples of pop culture influencing baby names. While we’re at it…there were no Jennifers before Love Story.
So, are we going to see Desmond beat up Ben tonight? Will we find out if Penny is alive/dead? I’m on the dead boat.
Comment 88, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Adapa1 wrote:
Maybe because the podcasts happen after the show has aired, where D&C are attempting to lead viewers in their agenda.
Comment 89, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I have seen speculations that Lost is really a board type game being played by characters either unseen or on the show (ex. Ben and Widmore). God please don’t let that be true. The thought of it is almost as unbearable as the whole thing being a dream that one of the characters is having where they wake up at the conclusion…
Comment 90, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
JMills wrote:
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Wasn’t there a movie called Island or something where people were characters in a video game? It might have been a dream but sounds like I watched it one lol.
Comment 91, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha, I think you may be thinking of a movie called the Island that was a place where they kept copies of people in case they needed transplants, babies, etc.
Two of the characters escaped and realized what was going on, but up until then, everyone was led to believe there had been a major catastrophe and they were the only living survivors. Ring any bells?
Comment 92, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
katesFriend wrote:
Yeah, I saw that. I liked it, but it was trashed by the critics. It came out a few years ago (2005 I think) and was set in 2019. Strangely, cars were flying, which seems absurd when we can’t fix the traffic problems we have on the streets now! LOL.
Other than the title, I am not sure it relates to LOST though.
: ) P
Comment 93, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Adapa1 wrote:
No, unless they are pre-hashing the next episode.
Comment 94, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Right. It is okay to talk about stuff that is in a podcast (which is tacitly considered canon). If D&C discuss the upcoming episode (pre-hashing), that is verboten. Though in fairness, I think they are very good about not REALLY telling us anything important in that pre-hash! LOL
: ) P
Comment 95, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Got it!!!! Thanks everyone ;-)
Comment 96, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Thanks for the input. Yes, I will continue to watch, and make my husband watch our daughter when Lost is on. Very responsible!
I just have such a hard time watching things when they aren’t at all believeable. Yes, its okay to suspend reality for a bit, but I feel Lost has been doing that since Season 3. And yes, somethings still aren’t answered like I thought they were going to be. Empty promises from the writers. But hey I am still an avid fan, so I guess they succeeded with me.
Comment 97, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I think that Ra had a good idea in Comment #21.
I think that that’s the most likely explanation for the title of tonight’s show.
But!!!! I couldn’t feel more unlike Heidi from Comment # 33.
Comment 98, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Sorry Heidi :(
Comment 99, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
So the smoke monster, polar bear in the jungle, woman stranded on an island for sixteen years, visions of a walking dead man, a mysterious underground hatch where you have to push a button every 108 minutes, an old drug plane carrying the body of the brother of one of the survivors, a slave ship in the middle of the jungle, and all the characters having connections with other characters prior to the crash *was* believable?
LOL.
: ) P
Comment 100, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LIES, LIES, and more LIES…. from Ben
I don’t buy the judged by the smoke monster stuff. I don’t buy anything from Ben’s mouth… I think it is more of the usual manipulation from Ben. Why fall for it again? Locke is smarter this time, I hope!
We shall see…..
Dead is Dead, could be something different then what we think it is right now… lets wait for the show to finish and then we can have a better idea of what they meant by this title. At this time everything we say about the title is pure speculation.
Comment 101, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
“I’m SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOO jealous of you spoiled eastcoasters who all get to watch LOST in 30 minutes.”
*slams fist on desk*
“Bllllast”
;-)
I’m still at work anyways. ;-)
Comment 102, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Adapa1 wrote:
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15 minutes for me!! Yay!!!1
Comment 103, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Oh thanks tasha…… poor a bit more salt in that cut there. lmao
Comment 104, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Flyboy wrote:
That’s part of the fun.
Comment 105, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
When Ben says he broke the rules, I think he must mean that he killed Penny! I guess we’ll see in a minute, but the only other time he mentions the rules was when he said that Widmore killed Alex, and that was breaking the rules. !!!!!
Comment 106, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Well now we know why Widmore called him ‘boy’.
Ben broke the rules…which rules? Killing innocent people on the frieghter to get revenge on Keamy? Killing Penny to get revenge on Widmore?
Comment 107, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
WOW! You sure Charles isn’t Desmond’s dad??? LOL JK
Comment 108, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Okay…finally have to admit that Danielle was NOT an Other.
Comment 109, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
OOOOHHH Hammer, “if you hear whispers, run the other way”!!!!
Comment 110, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
For Penny and Lil charlie’s sake, I hope not.
Comment 111, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Was that Charles or Tarzan?
And now we know there are horses on the island
Comment 112, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Halliwax wrote:
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He sure backed down fast at the mention of Jacob!
Comment 113, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Twice
Comment 114, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Sooo….Widmore ages on the island, but Alpert…not so much.
Comment 115, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Is it just me or did Charles visually age two decades in a little over one decade there?
Comment 116, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Like I said last week…these people are crazy. If I were Sun I would be in the Dharma looney bin right about now. Yet they all just carry on….LOL….Crazy
I said that about Des because of Charle’s hair. I had to look twice.
Comment 117, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Has Ben been living with the Others this whole time, 11 or 12 years? Wasn’t he in a Dharma suit when he killed his dad?
Comment 118, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Halliwax wrote:
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I just said that to my husband LOL.
Comment 119, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Halliwax wrote:
He did. But the casting for the young Widmore (that spoke with BenBoy) was AMAZING.
Alan Dale took over in the camp when BenTeen brought AlexBaby to him.
: ) P
Comment 120, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So is breaking the rules, killing someone that was born on island?
Comment 121, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
It appears no wheel turning for Widmore.
Comment 122, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Stymie wrote:
Sounds like one of them along with pro-creating with an outsider.
Comment 123, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Halliwax wrote:
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We knew that from when Locke Kate and Sayid met Mikhail. There was a horse outside, the stirrups were a giveaway that another person was there with him.
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Comment 124, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I’m not so sure that killing someone born on the island is a rule breaker. According to Widmore, the island wanted Alex to die. When she dies as a teen that could be the inevitable that Widmore mentions.
Comment 125, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Alpert is a cyborg
Comment 126, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So “dead is dead” is just another Ben lie – thought it might be. Boy is this a new Locke or what??!! I like this Locke.
Comment 127, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Teen Charles was Tom Connelly.
Young Adult Charles was David S. Lee.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1605085/
“Old” Charles is Alan Dale.
: ) P
Comment 128, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Was that one of the French men seeing Widmore off?
Comment 129, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Good point and I like the new Locke reminds me of the old Locke.
Comment 130, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So far Ben is a good boy. He didn’t KILL Alex’s mom which he was supposed to do OR the baby. Charles is a jerk telling Ben to kill that baby…tsk..tsk..tsk. Waiting to see when Ben gets EVIL…..
Comment 131, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Desmond ripped him a new one
Comment 132, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Wow, we all called it! Desmond beat the snot out of Ben when he “tried” to kill Penny! Lots of answers tonight!
Comment 133, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Desmond and Penny LIVE! Desmond was the one to kick Ben’s butt! Whoo hoo!
: ) P
Comment 134, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Widmore aged because he left the island often.
Comment 135, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I’m starting to think that breaking the rules is ‘leaving the island’ more so than killing folks.
Comment 136, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I’m starting to think that breaking the rules is ‘leaving the island’ more so than killing folks.
Doesn’t Alpert leave the island all the time?Same with Mr. Friendly?
Comment 137, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Looks like Jacob can appear in different form. IMO Jacob was appearing as Alex.
Comment 138, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Stymie wrote:
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For the island…not for himself. Widmore left for selfish reasons and is why he was banished and couldn’t come back.
Comment 139, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
That’s 2 episodes in a row I cried:(
Comment 140, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Stymie wrote:
That was smokey. Not sure if Jacob and smokey are the same.
Comment 141, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Stymie wrote:
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Could be, but the Smoke monster was Alex…’if you don’t, I’ll hunt you down and kill you’…Smokey’s warning in return for repenting he gets to live if he follows the rules.
Comment 142, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Good call LINS :)
Comment 143, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer
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Stymie wrote:
I’m starting to think that breaking the rules is ‘leaving the island’ more so than killing folks.
Doesn’t Alpert leave the island all the time?Same with Mr. Friendly?
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For the island…not for himself. Widmore left for selfish reasons and is why he was banished and couldn’t come back.
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Need to figure out how to copy comments, but good point Hammer.
Comment 144, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So fucking good
Comment 145, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LINS- From Comment #5
Comment 146, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
If anyone says that was a filler episode….I’m gonna SCREAM! What was up with the Ajira survivors? What lies in the shadow of the statue???
Comment 147, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I have been saying it along, Ben only does what is best for the island and all the people he has killed has been a sacrifice the island demanded. He COULD have killed Rousseau and didnt. He COULD have killed Penny and didnt, he lowered the gun because they had a baby. Both of these happened after he was supposed to lose his innocense. The only thing he ever did wrong, was let Alex die and he was forgiven. Oh yea, and I knew all along that Ben knew Locke had to die and that is why he killed him. I dont think he is lying about that and the roles of Locke and Ben are officially reversed.
Comment 148, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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That and/or having a daughter with an outsider.
Comment 149, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So, it seems that Ilana and co. knew to be on this plane as well, and knew about the statue and “what is in the shadow” of it. It would seem that the guns were put on the plane by them – it this Widmore’s war that is coming?
Comment 150, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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That’s how I took it…war/incident is on tap.
Comment 151, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
I think it’s closer to neither Ben or Widmore is in “the right.” How would you explain Ben’s cold blooded shooting of Ceaser? How about the Smoke Monster just told him that he was planning to kill Locke again? Wasn’t Ben planting the seeds of doubt in Ceasar’s mind to begin with?
At the same time Widmore claimed that Alex was to die earlier, Ben chose to ignore the island’s wishes, (for selfish reasons?). Team Widmore took a blow today, but I definitely can’t see how in the world Ben has been doing good work. He may have a chance to redeem himself, but something is telling me he will revert back to his selfish ways.
Comment 152, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Stymie wrote:
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Click the quote and reply part of the person’s post…then type your ++++++++++++ after it, then type your reply.
(And this guy graduated ahead of me…. LOL.)
Comment 153, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So I am guessing the statue is going to have a dog head…like what was on the wall in the temple….IMO…and smokey in the pic can be represented as what? A shadow?
Comment 154, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So Widmore and Ellie likely don’t have Daniel Faraday.
Comment 155, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
The only way i can explain Caesar is that the island demeanded it but just because he is doing everything for the island DOES NOT mean that it is good because the island sometimes demands things that might look bad but HAVE to happen. You know what I am saying? Just a hypothesis.
Comment 156, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
Yeah so whoever said the statue was Anubis? Is very likely right.
Comment 157, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Did the smokie picture in the temple remind you of John’s 4 year old drawing of smokie?
Comment 158, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
What WAS in the box that Ilana and co were trying to move?!
Comment 159, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Yes! WTF? Are all of the other folks on the plane, like, the descendants of the ancient people who lived on the island in the loooooong ago past? Or what? Who ARE these people?? WTF!!!!????
Comment 160, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Okay, does this sound right?
Widmore was a double agent of sorts. He went off island often and that when he became a funder of DHARMA, had them come to the island while he was there…and gets banished after the purge? No?
Comment 161, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
Not killing Penny wasn’t really by choice although he did lower the gun. Who knows had Des not intervened if he still would have done it.
Comment 162, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Richard Alpert is as mysterious as ever. Why lie about Ben? Not aging. It’s nuts.
Comment 163, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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I think so.
Comment 164, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I must have missed the day the taught us to read the directions. :)
Comment 165, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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No lol looks more like a dragon made with a zig zagged line….
Comment 166, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LuliB wrote:
lots and lots of guns!
Comment 167, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
I think that it is possible, but the reason why Widmore went off the island may have been to exploit some of his findings and mysterious properties about the island. How else could he have built an empire?
Comment 168, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
$20 says Ceasar isn’t dead.
Comment 169, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/Sd1YgQw89DI/AAAAAAAAPp0/uEd7fm2S-bY/s1600-h/512+glyphs+image.jpg
Screenshot is up for everyone LOL
Comment 170, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Thanks Tasha! It still REMINDS me of John’s little boy drawing though. Just the way it is layed out, something about it.
Comment 171, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Will we find out how Des survives the gun shot? Wasn’t Ben trying to kill Desmond with that shot, before he attempts to kill Penny?
Comment 172, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Stymie wrote:
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You forgot your ++++++++++++…BTW it was the day I copied off your test. :)
Comment 173, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Re: Ben’s judgment: I do NOT think Ben was forgiven – that’s not how I saw it at all. Sounded to me like Smokey was super pissed at Ben, but *needs* him still for some reason – Smokey will be keeping an eye on Ben (“I’ll hunt you down…”) from now on. I don’t think Ben’s judgment is over.
Comment 174, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Did D&C lie about the Temple wall being where Smokey originates from, or were they being “technical” by claiming it originates from a little deeper inside and underneath the Temple wall?
Comment 175, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Maybe Caesar *IS* dead because he is the only one on the plane that WASN’T there for a reason?
I just don’t want Frank to die!
So that screencap shows Smokey and Anubis (from my POV). Thank you, Tasha! So are we going to argue the 4TS again? I hope not!
: ) P
Comment 176, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Laura wrote:
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Could be right – but Ben sure looked scared! (where’s his plan NOW!)
Comment 177, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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It was the same scene as when he was supposed to kill Danielle.
Looks like Ben just might be a ‘good’ guy after all, just willing to do ALMOST anything for the island.
Comment 178, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
True. That’s got to be Anubis. Thing is….I am not sure if that is what the statue with 4 toes will be, but I don’t know. I also found this really cool article since you seem interested….
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/shadow.htm
Comment 179, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Thank you Hammer finally not everyone is attacking Ben. Hopefully it doesnt turn out I am all wrong and he is evil lol.
Comment 180, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Wow, Michael Emerson is one heck of an actor!!
Comment 181, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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I thought he seemed good. Looks to me like Charle’s would have had someone else kill that baby if it weren’t ben. Charles is a jerk.
Comment 182, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
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Does the word ‘genocide’ mean anything to you?
Comment 183, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I don’t remember which gods we talked about, but I am thinking that the one(s) that hold souls until ‘approved’ to pass is involved…..whisperers are waiting for help now that the statue is destroyed…that god isn’t around or is being held captive (Jacob) and the whisperers are stuck.
Comment 184, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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If you recall Ben was killing his father at the time which is wrong obviously im not saying its not but he may have deserved it. Ben did not kill all those people…he didnt release the gas and kill them…and the island may have wanted that to happen…once again im not saying Ben is a saint all I am saying is that everything he has done has been in the best interest of the island
Comment 185, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
Ben killed his father. He may have ORCHESTRATED the purge, but I still don’t believe he did it alone. And I believe that he did it because he thought it was what was necessary for the island.
If Widmore, during his off island pursuits, funded DHARMA to exploit the island, then it may have been necessary to execute the purge.
I’ve always believed that this show is all about the shades of gray and not about the black and white, evil and good. The only black and white on this island are the stones Jack found on in the caves.
: ) P
Comment 186, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
not sure why, but I feel as though the temple “is in the shadow of the statue”. My guess is that Ilana and co. have overheard, or picked up on some part of the saga, but are not Widmore related. I think they are like pirates, in for the bounty. Selfish people out to exploit the island. Ah, maybe they are Widmore related… not sure what the end game here is in the Widmore / Ben struggle. Both seem to line up with what the island wants at times… the struggle is between them, but I’m not sure the island particularly cares and uses each of them as it wants. They both helped Locke fulfill his destiny in different ways…
Comment 187, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
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And now Smokey has confirmed his worst fear…that Locke is his replacement. But he will still do whatever the island wants….I assume the island is ‘good’.
Comment 188, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Laura wrote:
Just like Eko.
Comment 189, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
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That’s like saying Hitler didn’t actually kill anyone.
Comment 190, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Darn…now that Caeser(the dog whisperer)is dead, we will never hear what Vincent has to say. LOL
Comment 191, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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I think it all has to do with the motives, if he was leaving the island because he wanted to, not because he had to, that would be different. I think Alpert/Ethan/Tom all left the island to do island business, but perhaps Widmore had different, more selfish motives…
I was SOOOO happy to see Des beat the crap out of Ben though, I was so worried Penny was going to die…oh my goodness!
I like the new Locke, and it was nice to see young Ethan…but I can’t believe Danielle just sat there and let him take her baby, I’m sure I’ll get blasted for this, but gun or no gun, threats or no threats, I would have never let anyone take my baby! Maybe she was sick/crazy?
Where do you think Ellie was tonight? Obviously Widmore was in charge, but what happened to Ellie? Seems like if she was supposed to still be there and be in charge with him, they would have shown her…perhaps she had already left the island with a little Faraday?
Comment 192, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Just saying that IF Widmore has evil intentions…then the purge was NEEDED to stop the evil machine…thereby making Ben ‘good’.
Comment 193, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
That reminded me of the time Ben wanted Locke to kill his father, Anthony Cooper.:)
Comment 194, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Too lazy to write a long explanation which has already been given in the LaFleur thread.. but I’ll go on record saying the statue is not Anubis and it’s someone on the show (male character).. if I’m wrong you can have me ‘judged’
Comment 195, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I guess what is good or evil regarding the island is all a matter of perspective.
One could look at Dharma/Widmore’s funding of Dharma as the “right” thing to do. If the island is so magnificent, wouldn’t the “right” thing be to use the island to help humanity? And keeping the island for only a small number of select few the “wrong” thing to do?
I’m with PJ, no black/white, only gray.
Comment 196, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LINS wrote:
Helping Widmore build the Lamp Post?
Comment 197, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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yeah! In that case the island wanted him dead, and Locke found a way, but didn’t do it himself. With the baby, if the island really wanted baby Alex dead, when Ben gave the baby to Charles and said, here, YOU do it, then it could’ve been done. Ben did give over the power to get the deed done. So I read that at that time, the island didn’t want baby Alex dead.
Comment 198, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Another thing with Ben is that he’s been flying by the seat of his pants, for quite awhile now. He seems to have clearly fallen out of favor with the island, since before he took it upon himself to move the island. So any actions he’s been doing, do not appear to be under the direction of the island, or Jacob, just what he thinks he “should” be doing.
So he’s been on a murdering rampage, even planning to try to kill John again, according to the Island spokesperson, Alex. I don’t see how folks can support the notion that the things he is doing are for the sake of the island.
Michael Emerson is a helluva actor. It’s crazy how viewing his scenes there can be so many interpretations of what he is saying. I guess if you believe he is “good” when you hear the stuff he says, you think it’s lies for the greater good. Then on the other hand folks hear the lies and we’re like, dude stop it!
Widmore wanting Rousseau and Alex killed under the direction of island=bad. Ben wanting so and so to die under the direction of the island=good.
Too funny.
Comment 199, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Looking good Sector….liking the odds that WHH and D is D policies are meant to be broken.
Comment 200, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Alpert and Ben can apparently speak to Jacob, can Widmore, I missed that part.
Comment 201, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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oooh, good point, forgot about that one!
Comment 202, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So Ilana had some bubbas, and the bubbas had some guns, and they all look like they were on an intended mission as part of the anticipated Ajira crash. Whose mission? Hawking, Widmore, Paik? Someone else? Oh yeah, Ilana had Sayid. Maybe Sayid wasn’t headed for Guam. Maybe she had Sayid because she planned to recruit him “in-place” – as a warrior and island guide – to help her and the bubba’s accomplish their mission.
Comment 203, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ok. Not to bring up the ancient stuff again but I am OBSESSED and I don’t care….
It looked to me like Ben seemed a little surprised when he fell down in there. He had never seen this room before. Also, maybe it’s obvious to everyone and I am the one thinking about this, but that seemed more like a tomb…not a temple. So in my opinion, behind that wall he was looking at is the tomb of someone, the vent Smokey came out was from behind there. Also, I think now smokey is whoever is in that tomb’s SHADOW.
Only part I am confused on is the water that Ben let out the drain at the passageway at his house…hmmmm. Off to think some more!
Comment 204, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Favorite line: When Ben said whatever is about to come out of the jungle he can’t control…and Locke popped out….and he was right without knowing it…he can no longer control Locke…per Smokey(Alex). LOL.
Comment 205, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Yeah, I didn’t get the toiler flush either…I undertand why Smokey didn’t come out…it was to show that Ben is no longer in charge of anything and Locke is.
Comment 206, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Maybe once one of them flashes to the others time.
Comment 207, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Halliwax wrote:
Why can’t it be BOTH?
: ) P
Comment 208, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Okay, so it seems that we know that Ben Temple experience didn’t make him forget his childhood…just the whole incident. He doesn’t remember the losties being DHARMA per his reaction to the photo (which makes me think NOW is the first time they were in the 70). It also seems that ‘loss of innocence’ hasn’t made him omnicient either.
Still waiting for a good definition of loss of innocence.
Comment 209, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Yes….like Jacob?
Comment 210, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
JMills wrote:
Interesting that you mention that, and then in Ben’s old house we see the game Risk on a table. Risk, the battle for World Domination. Just like Ben and Widmore are battling for Island Domination.
Comment 211, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Bedtime for Bonzo.
I think Smokey judged Ben the same as he judged Eko. Only Eko was killed because he did not repent, but said he did what he had to do to survive. See below.
Ben showed he repented, was spared, but on condition.
I believe Smokey manifests himself to someone that is dear to the judged person.
EKO: I ask for no forgiveness, Father. For I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive.
[Yemi lets his hand fall from the cross and Eko lowers it.]
EKO: A small boy once asked me if I was a bad man. If I could answer him now, I would tell him that… when I was a young boy, I killed a man to save my brother’s life. I am not sorry for this. I am proud of this!
[Eko drops to his knees in front of Yemi and spreads his arms out.]
EKO: I did not ask for the life that I was given. But it was given, nonetheless. And with it… I did my best.
[Yemi stares down into Eko's eyes. He looks angry.]
YEMI: [Almost in disgust] You speak to me as if I were your brother.
[Eko cringes back from him, scared and angry.]
EKO: Who are you?
Comment 212, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Just rechecked. Northern hemisphere – the toilet flush is counterclock. Clockwise in the Southern. The Smokey flush was straight down. there was a SLIGHT clockwise at the very end… but that looked like the crag in the side of the well made a slight influence. Speaking of well… we say alot of ‘the well’ earlier this season. Maybe that was smokey juice too. Reason to fill it in?
Comment 213, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
LOL after that scene I said to myself, I hope this will finally convince Hammer that Rousseau was not in cahoots with Ben!
Comment 214, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
My guess is a can of peas or something in the grocery bag blocked the bullet.
Comment 215, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
About this box full of guns theory : don’t you think guns are now forbidden in planes ???
Comment 216, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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Because if a human had a face and snout of a dog.. it would no longer look human lol.. so it can’t be both unless Jacob literally is a dog/human which would be too wacky even for Lost standards.. and the 4TS is clearly not Anubis based on the lengthy locks of hair extending down its upper back.. Anubis is only represented with a dog head in reliefs and sculptures.. never with extensions of human hair
personally i’m leaning towards Daniel Faraday being the 4TS after having travelled through time again
Comment 217, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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I know, I know…but I don’t hide. I was plain old wrong. LOL.
They exlpained it well IMO too. Run if you hear whispers….that warning was taken seriously by Danielle and is how she survived.
Comment 218, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
What exactly did Alex say to ben in the temple sub floor. It was something like.
“I know you are planning to kill _______” It sounded like John but then something after that. Like JohnK or JohnKing or something. Any illumination on this would be helpful.
Comment 219, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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the bullet to me kinda looked like it hit him in the shoulder…i dont think ben intended to kill desmond since he really didnt do anything to ben and ben didnt want to kill him so he just needed to stop him while he offed penny
Comment 220, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I think Risk is what Hurley and Sawyer were playing just before Keamy et al showed up. I sort of remember Hurley holding Aaron on his knee while he played?
: ) P
Comment 221, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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I’ve said before that the first time we saw Jacob…his hair was styled to look like dog ears hanging down….crazy I know…just saying.
Okay off to bed.
Comment 222, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
That was their second meeting. The first time Eko met smokey he saw the same thing Ben saw, certain time periods during his life, but I concur, Eko was not willing the second time they met, or he failed his mission and let the hatch explode. Maybe like what will happen to Ben if he tries to kill Locke.
Comment 223, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Wow so that was actually pretty darn sad when ben was standing there with smokey surronding him.I wont lie it made me cry:( Then again I am on team Ben being the good guy. I mean of course in the real world Ben would be a bad guy and the stuff he is doing would be horrible! But this is a show about a magiacal island lol so he may just being doing the right thing for the island and if the island is good and he is doing the work for it then i guess he’s a good guy. I dont think Ben would have shot Penny even if Des hadnt stopped him. He obviously has a soft spot for the kids. Ok on to the next thing what the heck is with the other people from flight 316! You think maybe Ben knew that ceaser was working for widmore or whoever?
Comment 224, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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yea they were playing right before locke and ben walked in so good detail to leave it all how it was from the producers lol nothing more…i dont think?
Comment 225, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Disagreed.
The Dead is Dead quote came from Ben, who has been known to lie. How many lies did he tell tonight? He said “dead is dead” right after he told Sun something like he has no idea how Locke came back to life, and then said something about being afraid of Locke. Similar to the speech he gave Caesar about Locke being crazy and dangerous.
So I don’t think you can compare that to the WHH explanation we’ve been given over and over by Faraday, and then Miles, who presumably is repeating what Faraday told him.
Comment 226, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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Ah, must be, because that was the last time anyone was living in that house.
Comment 227, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
If you can’t change the past, do you think Charlie, who drown, is Desmond and Penny’s son ? That could explain why Des knew so precisely about Charlie’s different way to die ? Like psychic thing between generation… !
Comment 228, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ben didnt necessarily lie about not knowing how locke came back to life he just said he was told it would happen he wasnt told how
Comment 229, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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You’re right, and I didn’t expect you to hide. I know you’ll admit when you’re, um, not exactly correct. (contrary to what some may think about you)
Comment 230, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Does anyone have the transcript or know what Alex told Ben in the temple’s basement? That is the only thing bugging me about the episode last night.
Comment 231, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Paul wrote:
I was going to respond to your earlier post – I just went back to rewatch that scene. She said “I know you’re planning to kill John again”
Comment 232, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
OK I rewatched that scene too. Sun said to Ben, “You knew this would happen?” (about Locke coming back to life). Ben replied “I had no idea it would happen”. This contradicts what he said in the opening scene when he sees Locke for the first time, when he said “I imagined this could happen”.
Comment 233, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Not that it has to do with the episode at all tonight, but I swear Locke looks l like he had surgery or some kind of face lift. He looks younger and more full.
;P
Comment 234, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Good points – I agree with all this.
Comment 235, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Thanks, my girlfriend and I watched the episode and the speakers on her tv aren’t the clearest. Great episode!
Comment 236, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
In the scene where Ben brings baby Alex back to the Others’ camp, I thought I saw Ms. Klugh in the background.
Comment 237, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
secretgarden wrote:
I guess that’s what happens when you’re embalmed.
Comment 238, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Has he really given it that much? I remember him saying it after Charlotte had just died. He also told the TT losties something to that effect before he decided to knock on the hatch door. But it wasn’t clear what he really meant, at least to me and Carlton. That’s the impression I got from their latest podcast.
Comment 239, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I’m still hooked to what Ilana said when Lapitus came back about that shadow of the statue.
Can it be just a code, or a more profound hidden meaning ? She might also have found some maps and statue drawings in ex-Ben’s office… ?
Comment 240, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I thought I saw her too.
Comment 241, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
OK, refresh my memory. Who’s Ms. Klugh? I live on west coast and just finished watching. What an awesome episode!
Comment 242, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Well, in addition to the two scenes you mention, there was the one scene where Faraday compared time to a street. Then, in Namaste, Hurley suggests to Sawyer that they warn the DI folks about the upcoming purge, and Sawyer mentions Faraday’s theories about what you can and can’t do. And then there was Miles’ & Hurley’s conversation last week. So it has been mentioned several times.
I still haven’t listened to that podcast, but based on what I’ve heard in past podcasts, and based on what PJ said in comment #9, I don’t know how literally you can take the things D&C say. So if Carlton says he’s confused, he may just be playing a part, in order to get Damon to cough up some answers, if that makes sense.
Comment 243, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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And so this apparently answers the question from earlier this season – who was in the boat shooting at Sawyer, Juliet, etc while they were in a boat and flashing from time to time.
Comment 244, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
TY for refreshing my memory. See I think the scene where Sawyer mentions there are Faraday’s theories about things we can and can’t do, contradict the theory WHH. Why would it matter what they do IF WHH?
Comment 245, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Shadow wrote:
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Here you go. Hope this helps.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Klugh
Comment 246, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Right. Lapidus brought back the second boat to Hydra Island. Those 2 boats need to get back to The Big Island so the TT LOSTies can steal one and get shot at and Juliet in turn will injure someone chasing them.
Comment 247, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
This relates to the “free will” discussion earlier on this thread. I agree with the points RGS (#11), Jay (#15), and Rita (#16 and #18) made. The characters don’t know what their future holds, so, for example, it’s not like Sawyer knows that on a certain date in 1977 he woke up and had waffles for breakfast, so he just goes ahead and makes waffles on that day because he knows that’s what is supposed to happen. They are experiencing these years for the first time. They are still free to make decisions, and they do not know what the outcome of those decisions will be.
Comment 248, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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Oops, my mistake. They only need one boat to return because there is already one on the big island.
Comment 249, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Hey! No spoilers!! :)
I can imagine the comments here after that episode airs – “we already knew that” “this was just a filler episode” etc etc
Comment 250, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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Gotcha there, but why does Daniel tell them there are limitations to their free will? What they can and can’t do? Maybe the next “filler” episode will answer that.:)
Comment 251, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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I agree with this and said something similar earlier or on last weeks thread…I also really think this is going to be the importance of Miles…to comunicate with the Whisperers!
-miss
Comment 252, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Finally; a great episode after a pretty bad one.
I was on the edge of my seat tonight. Nice to get some questions answered instead of Hurley asking questions like a 9 year old. All Hurley really cares about is his comfort food anyway. Writers…Please, kill him off soon.
I had to laugh too when that jerk on the beach got it from the gun Ben took from him. Checkmate.
Nice to have a new female antagonist…wow, she looks pretty when she’s angry. Nice way to set up the next drama. Poor Pilot dude…really the airline food wasn’t that bad, neh?
Yes, I do think these new Kayak Krazies are sent from either Widmore or Sun’s evil father. Maybe both.
Widmore had a nice horse there; I didn’t even recognize him until he said his name to Ben in the tent.
But new question; after getting banished how did he gather more money than God…did he dod a Madoff scam?
I hope John is gonna stay in his position now as Island Guru and not get knocked back down again. But I’m hoping for a little pay back to his kidney thieving Father someday.
So, Sayid is on the run with a gun and Sawyer is caught in the middle. Doc has his nuts cut off now, so to speak. Jin can order off the English menu now but only got a knuckle sandwich. Freckles free from shackles but forlorn and Smokey tersely shows some mercy.
But how how how does Sun get back in time to see her hubby? Does she have to walk like an Egyptian?
We’ve had one resurrection now but will there be more? I’d vote for a return of Patchy or that bad ass Mercenary…but the Lady who smacked the Pliot down may prove to be as nasty as any. Deadlier than the Male? (to recoin a phrase)
Comment 253, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Miss lost wrote:
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need to clarify…I didn’t say that i thought the statue was a god that holds the souls until approved to pass (i was actually in the camp that thought it might be related to fertiltiy and once it was destroyed they lost the ability to have children…and really taking a leap said wouldn’t it be funny if it was Juliette as she restored the ability to have kids) but i do agree that the souls are stuck and i think they are the whisperers!
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-Miss
Comment 254, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
My daughter has always wanted to watch lost and in the beginning I didn’t think she was old enough. Now she is 14 and her and I have watched a few past seasons together…two days ago we watched the season 3 episode where Eko was killed by smokey…after it was over my daughter said, “I think the smoke is like your judgement…you are shown some thing from your life and have to decide if you made the right decisions…” she had some other thoughts, but i was impressed with her reactions! She recognized that he was not sorry and so he was killed.
Comment 255, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Wow, what a seriously satisfying episode!
Comment #46: Dukes909 and LostGirl – Haha, I remember thinking the same thing about Sayid’s hair. In the beginning of this season it is straightened, but after he gets tranquilized, its curly again! lol.
Comment #114: Hammer – Yeah, in this episode its clear that Ben and Widmore were both aging. My guess is that Alpert is actually dead (perhaps he’s a left over from the Black Rock, or a founder of the others’ Utopian society) but that might explain why he can appear so suddenly, and why he doesn’t age. Similarly, I feel like Locke and Christian are dead (dead is dead afterall). It seems like certain souls can manifest themselves like they are flesh on/off the island. Even Charlie visits Hurley at Santa Rosa he claims, “I am dead, but I’m also here”. Why are they still around? Perhaps they died before they had a chance to be judged? Echo said before he died, “You’re all next”. Seems everyone will get judged when the time is right. Also really interesting from Season 1: When Locke was almost dragged under by smokey, he told Jack to let him go, that he’d be ok. I wonder what would’ve happened if Locke faced smokey then?
Comment #185: PJ – I believe there was an episode in s03 or S04 where Ben defends himself on the purge. He said something like “I was just following orders”. I remember thinking at the time Widmore might have gave the order. Perhaps why he got banished (clearly at some point after the purge by tonight episode)?
Comment #223: Amber – Yes, that was an intense scene, easily one of my faves of this season.
Comment 256, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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so if Ben is with the group, the purge has happened right? But didn’t Rousseau have the baby in the 80’s and the purge happened in the 90’s? I like the idea of double agent though…spearheading DHARMA while off the island, getting “not one of us” pregnant, and who knows what else…
-miss
Comment 257, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Wow. Fantastic.
Questions:
- When Ben told Danielle to run when she heard whispers… I can’t remember are the whispers a precursor to smokey showing up, or a warning of sorts like when Sayid/Shannon heard them before Shannon was shot?
- If Llana et al always had a plan to go to war, why did they let Sun/Frank leave and let Ben and Locke do what they wanted for so long (until Caesar tried to stop them)? Llana’s whole aspect during the confrontation with Frank was one of her being changed and almost possessed. “What lies in the shadow of the statue” and “it’s time” so suddenly make me think something big happened while Frank, Ben, John, and Sun went to the main island.
Comment 258, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Vaughn K wrote:
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Excellent catch guys. I’m pretty sure that’s a good guess, production is just giving us the details we expect! Probably consistent with why the Dharmaville is so trashed now too… Keamy and his guys destroyed it at the end of Season 4. Claire was buried in rubble at one point!
Comment 259, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Laura wrote:
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Definitely not a filler a episode, hahaha! The shadow of the statue line seemed too “fatey” to be coincidence (brings back memories: what did one snowman say to other the snowman…?) But I don’t get the impression the Ajira people have any idea why they’re supposed to be there. But I suppose they could be Whidmore people. Maybe they overheard Locke or Ben say this line before they left (Locke seems to know a lot about where to go)… and thought they’d quiz Lapidus with it?
Comment 260, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
This is kind of unrelated to the main story, but anyone keep track of the little theme jingles they score for the show?
So far I’ve only had one favorite: “Kate and Sawyer’s theme”. I think it played in the background in S03 when they hook up in the bear cages, and again in S04 right before Sawyer jumps off the helicopter.
But I think I have a new fave now: “the island theme”. It’s a really low register piano and cello. Sounds chilling… but soo good! I think it’s first heard in in S05E05 “This place is death” when Locke, Sawyer et al come up on the Orchid… and again tonight with Locke and Ben come up on the temple.
Comment 261, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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That’s the password. Everybody who knows the password was hired by Widmore.
Comment 262, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
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Ben knew Caesar wss with Widmore. He was planting the seed to find out if Caesar had a gun.
Why Widmore is starting a war against his own people? He is pure evil.
Comment 263, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
This was by far the best episode of the season, and the best episode in a long time. Not only were questions answered, but they were done so with edge-of-your-seat anticipation. The scene at the harbor where Penny lives was just incredible. Every one of us had to be in fear that that was going to be the end for Penny, since right before that Ben told Sun (in present time) to tell Desmond that he’s sorry if she ever got back off the Island. I thought all my worst fears about Penny were going to come true, as I (and many of you) have been scared for Penny since the very first time we saw Ben bloodied at the harbor when he called Jack. Now that it appears Des and Penny ended up being OK, I wonder where that leaves him in the story. He doesn’t have to come back to the Island to try to avenge Penny’s death, so why would he come back? I don’t think it’s logical that he would try to hunt down Ben simply for TRYING to kill her…so we’ll just have to wait and see what his role on the show still is (I can’t imagine his role is finished).
The scene with Ben and Smokey/Alex was unbelievable too. The tension at the moment where the smoke engulfs him was palpable. I really thought, at that moment, that it was possible that we could be seeing the end of Ben, because it certainly would have been a dramatic final moment. It’s also interesting how they have still made Ben’s purpose unclear for us. On the one hand, it seems that he knows Locke is now the one calling the shots, and Smokey/Alex have made that clear to him, but he STILL had ulterior motives in terms of wanting to kill Locke. I mean, will Ben REALLY be able to take a backseat to Locke?
For me, Michael Emerson (Ben) and Terry O’Quinn (Locke) are the two best actors on the show, by far, and tonight’s episode was just exceptional. The way Locke now totally seems to know what the hell is going on with the Island could lend some credence to the theory that Locke is Jacob. Not saying that he is, but it’s possible. This was “Lost” again at its best–the actual drama was back.
As for a couple of thoughts from some posts I’ve read…I don’t see how Widmore could’ve helped in building the Lamp Post. He’s been trying to get back to the Island for 20 years, in his words, and if he built the Lamp Post then surely he would be able to find the Lamp Post and the Lamp Post tells you where the Island is, so…that theory is kaput. He obviously knows where Eloise Hawking is, since he sent Desmond there, but I think he must not know of the Lamp Post or that Hawking is connected to it. If he did, it would simply be illogical (he knows that Hawking is managing the Lamp Post but he can’t get back to the Island? No way!).
About Comment 232, I think Ben is lying to Locke at the beginning of the episode when he tells Locke “I knew this would happen” and I think he’s teling the truth to Sun when he says “I had no idea it would happen.” At the beginning of the episode, he’s still under the impression he can run the show and says what he thinks will sound believable to Locke and what might be able to manipulate him further. To me he’s clearly surprised to see Locke alive by his initial reaction at the very moment he first sees Locke (and even Locke says this and recognizes this), and simply comes up with what he said in that conniving mind of his. But by the time he tells Sun “I had no idea…”, it’s been made clear to him by Locke’s actions that Locke is in control now, so he’s just telling Sun what he thinks. But yet, he still wants to kill Locke, according to Alex/Smokey.
And nobody’s mentioned this…about the part where we see Widmore being exiled off the Island (about to be sent off on the sub). It’s mentioned that he had a daughter with “an outsider.” Presumably, Penny is that daughter. So, to me, that means Widmore and Penny’s mother conceived Penny off-Island, and we can put to rest the theory that Penny was born on the Island. Anybody think differently? Is the identity of Penny’s mother just an insignificant piece to the puzzle?
Also, in the last episode we could infer that both Widmore and Ellie were on the Island at the time young Ben got shot by Sayid, in 1977. We know Widmore was there for at least a few years after that, up until he gets exiled, probably around 1984 or 1987 at the latest (I say that because if Widmore says he’s been trying to get back to the Island for 20 years, that means “20 years ago” is the mid-1980’s.) So, I think this means Widmore had nothing to do with orchestrating the Purge; he had already left. And we didn’t see Ellie at all in this episode during the flashback scenes with Widmore, so we still don’t know when she left, and what her exact relationship to Widmore is.
Ok, that’s all I have for now. What a great episode this was, I’m really pumped!
Comment 264, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LostJunkie wrote:
I am with you on Penny being the child conceived off island. Not sure if the mother will be important in the end.
LostJunkie wrote:
I didn’t necessarily infer that. In fact, the way that the redshirt said it, I felt as if possibly one were on and one were off. If this were the case, then Ellie may be have been long gone by the time Widmore was exiled.
LostJunkie wrote:
Agree with your suppositions. I will take it a step further and say that Widmore had nothing to do with ORGANIZING the purge, but more to do with CAUSING the purge – in that he was likely funding DHARMA and perhaps changed the nature of their “research” so he could use the islands powers for money-making schemes.
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Comment 265, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
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This is an example of one of the few advantages of being an old person. I admit that I watch the promos, but by the following Wednesday I can’t remember what I saw. I just know I am totally psyched to see the new episode, but I will be damned if I know why!
Comment 266, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Okay, my feeling is that Locke is now like Christian. Christian was a mess while he was alive. Then he died. Then he was alive — on the island. And knew everything and acted as a guide.
Locke was pretty much of a mess — weak, always following others. Then he died. Then he was alive on the island. And ever since he’s reappeared, he’s much more serene, confident, all-knowing. And definitely in charge. Has he touched anyone since he’s been back? I don’t think so, and neither does Christian when he appears.
I think Locke may not be fully alive anymore, but in an “alive-state”, like Christian. Perhaps doing the work of Jacob/the island.
Comment 267, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LINS wrote:
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He rocks! I can’t believe he has not won an Emmy for his role on Lost. There is no one else on TV that can touch him as an actor.
Comment 268, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
did ben go back to the island only to be judged by the smoke monster ? i dont believe it ..smothng else has to be the reason for him to go back
Comment 269, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
namaste wrote:
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To run the island again…keep Widmore off the island…
Comment 270, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
hank vega wrote:
Not only do I not think Caesar was with Widmore, I do not think that Ben would think that at all. I also do not believe that Ilana is with Widmore, because she’s asking questions as opposed to following orders in the manner that Keamy did.
I think Ilana is the third group of outsiders.
Maybe that’s why the statue got destroyed, so that no one would be able to use the shadow to pinpoint whatever lies in it.
Comment 271, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I am not sure about the whole Ilana thing. Have to watch back. She reminds me of Rambini. Maybe something happened while he ws gone and the shadow/statue question was something that someone else said or something they read. I am not sure yet but I love hearing everyone’s theories!
Comment 272, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I’m having time continuity issues again. Alex is about 5 years old on the swing, right b4 Ben goes to gloat to Widmore The Good. Alex was 17 years old (18 tops), at the time of her death in 2004. (Rousseau’s msg had been playing 17 years.)
So 13 years from 2004 would make it 1991 when Widmore gets exiled. Not quite 20 years even loosely interpreted. Am I on the right track with that?
Comment 273, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Another great episode that seemed to fly by! So this is what stuck out to me:
1. Rousseau meets Ben around 1988 (that’s when she came to the island and Alex was born, right?) but doesn’t remember him when she caught him in the jungle in 2004 (just like not remember meeting Jin) – did her memory get wiped out?
2. Ethan was with Ben in 1988 (purge happened in 1992?) – So Ethan was taken before the purge?
3. The timeline seems off to me too – Widmore left when Alex was around 4-5 years old – she looked around that age? That would be around the year 1992/3 – time of the purge?
4. The visions Ben had of Alex when he saw Smokey were kind of lame in my opinion
5. I always said Ben is not evil and Widmore is – we shall see!
Comment 274, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LostJunkie Quote 263
Also, in the last episode we could infer that both Widmore and Ellie were on the Island at the time young Ben got shot by Sayid, in 1977. We know Widmore was there for at least a few years after that, up until he gets exiled, probably around 1984 or 1987 at the latest (I say that because if Widmore says he’s been trying to get back to the Island for 20 years, that means “20 years ago” is the mid-1980’s.) So, I think this means Widmore had nothing to do with orchestrating the Purge; he had already left. And we didn’t see Ellie at all in this episode during the flashback scenes with Widmore, so we still don’t know when she left, and what her exact relationship to Widmore is.
Ok, that’s all I have for now. What a great episode this was, I’m really pumped!
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I am sure you all will correct me if I am wrong, but as for Whidmore having nothing to do with the purge as he had already left…
The Others/Hostiles had already moved to Dharmaville when Whidmore was exhiled, so doesn’t that mean that the purge had already taken place?
Comment 275, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Halliwax wrote:
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First time poster and wanted to get this in here because I wanted to figure this out too….
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_B-eIPQ70kFo/SbPh7dVQjtI/AAAAAAAABAk/EQ_aLVOFAzE/s400/lost+statue.jpg
Anyone want to analyze and shed some light while I construct my thoughts?
Comment 276, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Smokey “lives” under the Temple, right? I always thought the Temple was quite a distance from Dharmaville, but it appeared that the secret passage in Ben’s house may be part of the Temple (Hieroglyphics). So when he fell through to the passage way underneath the passage way he was traveling, he was at Smokey’s “lair”? It appeared so. That would mean the passage he was taking when he fell lead to the Temple? So, why when he sent Alex, Karl and Rousseau to seek safety did he not send them through this passage? Also, Dharma built the house that Ben lived in and located it at a secret passage entrance to the Temple, so whoever originally lived in that house would have had knowledge of the Temple? Guess that solidifies Whidmore’s backing of Dharma?
Comment 277, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
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She may have been older than 5…maybe 6..or 7. Might have learned to talk slower because of lack of preschool…LOL
Comment 278, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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I am sure you all will correct me if I am wrong, but as for Whidmore having nothing to do with the purge as he had already left…
The Others/Hostiles had already moved to Dharmaville when Whidmore was exhiled, so doesn’t that mean that the purge had already taken place?
Yes, that is a good catch. If it turns out the Widmore funded Dharma in some way, then orchestrated the purge of his own folks to throw off Richard and the Others…then he is truly evil.
Comment 279, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Dakota wrote:
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I was thinking it was after the Purge. Ben seemed like a good daddy! LOL. I think I love Ben now. Maybe I have been drinking that Jungle Juice too much too.
Comment 280, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Dakota wrote:
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Never mind. (in my best Gilda Radner voice)
I remembered just as I pushed the submit button that Ben and Locke traveled to the Temple site and entered through the “cave” that Rousseau’s team went down, not through the passage way in Ben’s house.
Comment 281, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
SOOOOOO…Does this saying anything about Charles being the leader for 30 years? Is that confirmed now? Where is Duke? Sure he would love it! It seems he was right…maybe.
Comment 282, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Crap. I see where you are going…my bad. Definat6ely not 20 years unless there is time traveling going on. That’s another Ben’s Bullet Issue. That’s a kind of big error if they made that.
Comment 283, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
IS the guy that tell’s Lapedus EDDIE? Guess just playing another part…or is it really him? He better die soon before he runs into Locke!
Comment 284, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
NOPE not him!
Comment 285, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ken wrote:
everyone who is on the island is there for a reason… no one just ended up on the island… christians dead must have some purpose… but he is def not jacob… and i dont think whitmore was ever jacob… rmr he was banished… im sure jacob wouldnt be someone who doesnt have control over his feelings… i think the island chooses ppl as puppets so tht it can deliver its msg…. john is alive.. i dont know how or why…
Comment 286, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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Smokey=Ammit OR Babi
Island=Aru
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaru
Comment 287, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LostJunkie wrote:
I think Widmore knows about the Lamp Post and has been using it to find the island, but I think he believes that he really can’t go back, that he would be breaking the rules. I wish we had seen more about his banishment to understand really why he was leaving…I thought it would be a bigger deal than just getting escorted to the sub.
Comment 288, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
formerly flgrl but that name just came to me. No idea why I never thought of it before but I think I’ll stick with it unless that’s too confusing. :)
Awesome episode!!!
comment #185 (and others) – I think Ben’s killing of his dad is really a separate issue from the purge. The purge was done sort of anonymously and from a distance, but killing his dad was in his face, cold blooded murder. The purge may have been for the island’s sake, but killing his dad was just revenge for years of torture. Don’t think smokey would’ve liked that too much.
Commend #239 – “What lies in the shadow of the statue?” sounds much more like a code phrase than an actual question. They are definitely some sort of secret group – widmore or otherwise.
I watched most of this episode peeking through my fingers. Ben is good?! What?! Too weird.
Comment 289, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
The phone call that Ben made to Widmore got me thinking.
BEN: Doesn’t matter. What matters is I’m going back to the Island today.
WIDMORE: The Island won’t let you come back, trust me. I’ve spent almost 20 years trying to return.
BEN: Well, Charles, where you failed, I’m going to succeed… just as soon as I do one thing.
I’m starting to believe that Widmore didn’t have a problem FINDING the ilsand, his problem was being ALLOWED to return. My theory is that the island only allows one “leader” to occupy it at a time. Therefore, in addition to Ben getting the vital info. from John, I think the other reason was that he knew he would have to kill the defacto leader in order to be granted access to the island. Also, I think that’s why he was so surprised to see John when he woke up. He knew that this meant the island had rejected him and that he had to be judged but there would be no more leader roles for him.
Comment 290, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Also back to something I mentioned many episodes ago:
It seems pretty clear that there’s a strong Egyptian influence for some reason and there has also been references to otherworldly things (e.g. The Little Prince and this whole dead/undead thing). I know it sounds crazy, but Egyptians and Aliens are completely related in my mind. Maybe it’s because I’ve watched so many shows where that sort of connection has been made, but that’s where I feel like we’re going. I just hope if that does happen, it doesn’t come off being too cheesy. Or maybe I’m completely wrong and they are all just zombies.
Comment 291, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I am totally with you on that. There has been a lot of talk about continuity errors and that one is so glaring, I can’t quite believe it, especially when that “20 years” has been stated at least twice by Ben and Widmore. I can almost swear that Alex was 16 when she was killed and yes “little Alex” was about 5 when Widmore was banished. So that would mean only eleven years had passed between Widmore being tossed out and Alex getting killed–even adding 3 years that the O6 have been gone–makes no sense. I also wonder where the heck all of Ben’s people are? I know they ran for safety when Keamy et. al. attacked the island, but wouldn’t it be safe to come back by now?
Comment 292, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LostJunkie wrote:
In general I agree with this, although I don’t think Ben is being completely honest with Sun. Just like he was trying to manipulate Locke in the earlier conversation, I believe he was manipulating Sun in that conversation. Remember that just a day or two prior, Sun made it known that she wanted to kill Ben. At this point, she is only “letting” him live because she needs him to help her find Jin. So by saying he’s afraid of Locke, Ben is trying to put the same fear into Sun, to turn her into his ally, so she might change her mind about killing him (Ben). (just like Ben did with Caesar earlier)
Related to this, when Locke said something to Ben like, “how do you like asking questions you don’t know the answers to?”, and Ben replied “I don’t like it at all”, I think Ben was still manipulating Locke in that scene. Ben was acting as if he considered Locke his leader, and I think he was doing that as part of a plan to make Locke feel comfortable and overconfident in that position, and at the right opportunity he would try to take advantage of Locke’s complacency and kill Locke again. However, I’d think that after being screwed over by Ben several times, Locke would have learned never to trust him.
But I do think, that after his encounter with Smokey/Alex, Ben will abandon his plans to kill Locke. He seemed genuinely humbled and remorseful.
(and like others here have said, fantastic acting by Michael Emerson throughout)
Comment 293, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I still would like to know where the hell Faraday is? Did he take the option to leave the island on the sub to continue his reasearch? Did he go loony and is wearing a straight jacket in a polar bear cage?
I feel the smokey drawing done by a 5 year old Locke is more significant then anyone has stated considering that he would have no cognitive memories yet at the age of 5 so I don’t know where I’m going with this but I feel the fact thtat he had images in his head at 5 years old of the smokemonster shows he was born to with this purpose.
The box that Llana and some of the other beach people are carrying reminded me of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom when they bring that giant chest to the temple and open it and it is like crazy spirits that get released and melt peoples faces (lol).
I have more random thoughts to post but I’ll get back to it…
Comment 294, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hoof_Hearted wrote:
I think somone else stated this but I have to say that I think there may be the posisbility that this is just code for identifying who is a part of teh same group.
as in a number of these people (Llana, big guy with her) were recruited for some sort of a mission. By whome we have yet to find out.
LostJunkie wrote:
I believe this has already been stated as well but imo the purge alreeady had to happen as the others are living in the Dharma camp. This doesn’t really seem to be negotiable.
I still would like to know where the hell Faraday is? Did he take the option to leave the island on the sub to continue his reasearch? Did he go loony and is wearing a straight jacket in a polar bear cage?
I feel the smokey drawing done by a 5 year old Locke is more significant then anyone has stated considering that he would have no cognitive memories yet at the age of 5 so I don’t know where I’m going with this but I feel the fact thtat he had images in his head at 5 years old of the smokemonster shows he was born to with this purpose.
The box that Llana and some of the other beach people are carrying reminded me of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom when they bring that giant chest to the temple and open it and it is like crazy spirits that get released and melt peoples faces (lol).
I have more random thoughts to post but I’ll get back to it…
Comment 295, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
woManfromtallahassee wrote:
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I agree with YOU LOL. I have always believed in the theory that the GODS WERE ALIENS. There is a show that airs on the History channel called Ancient Aliens. I have it recorded on my DVR. You should totally watch it!
Comment 296, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I think I’ve clearly watched too many of those as it is! :)
Comment 297, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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Faraday is going to loose a foot, but i don’t think he has 4 toes. Unless he gets diabetes along the way.
Comment 298, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Comment #185: PJ – I believe there was an episode in s03 or S04 where Ben defends himself on the purge. He said something like “I was just following orders”. I remember thinking at the time Widmore might have gave the order. Perhaps why he got banished (clearly at some point after the purge by tonight episode)?
If Dharma were still in charge (of there area), then the others wouldn’t have had free access to the dock and submarine :)
Comment 299, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LostGrrl Said:
Locke was pretty much of a mess — weak, always following others. Then he died. Then he was alive on the island. And ever since he’s reappeared, he’s much more serene, confident, all-knowing. And definitely in charge. Has he touched anyone since he’s been back? I don’t think so, and neither does Christian when he appears.
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But he (Chrstian) was holding baby Aaron when Clair disappeared.
Comment 300, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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I don’t think they necessarily know they are working for Widmore, but it’s becoming clear that Widmore send them to “clear” the island. Widmore can only be back is everybody is dead. The idea of adding a third group of outsiders doesn’t make any sense at this point on the show.
Still believe Illana was asking Frank for the password.
Comment 301, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
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I don’t think they necessarily know they are working for Widmore, but it’s becoming clear that Widmore send them to “clear” the island. Widmore can only be back if everybody is dead. The idea of adding a third group of outsiders doesn’t make any sense at this point on the show.
Still believe Illana was asking Frank for the password.
Comment 302, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Could Locke be the smoke monster now? The smoke monster didn’t appear until Locke was gone.
Comment 303, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hank Vega said:
Could Locke be the smoke monster now? The smoke monster didn’t appear until Locke was gone.
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Good question. Also, when Ben thought that Smokie was going 2 come out of the jungle, Locke did.
Comment 304, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LINS wrote:
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Didn’t Widmore also say that Ben “tricked” him? Didn’t look like much of a trick in that scene…I am also having trouble with the timeline of Ben taking the baby, the purge and Widmore getting exiled! Anyone have a good explanation?
-miss
Comment 305, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I was wondering the same thing.
It didnt look like much of a trick 2 me either, and I remember Charles saying that 2 Locke.
Comment 306, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Thinking about the Purge and wanting Ben to be good….I was thinking that maybe the incident had something to do with Dharma becoming Zombies or they all got some disease which is why certain Dharma people left. Maybe the Natives and now ben are immune to it(because of jacob?). So he gasses everyone because they need to die before they make it to the outside world and spread it or something. So maybe Ben did it to protect humanity somehow. Just a thought. I just want Ben to be good LOL.
Comment 307, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rumblestilskin wrote:
My guess is there were certain events that preceded the actual departure scene that we saw, and those events are the “trick” Widmore mentioned. Hopefully we’ll see this in an upcoming episode.
Comment 308, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
So are we running away from the statue being Tarewet the fertility god of ancient egypt. The back view of the statue we see shows it holding 2 Ancs, one in each hand. Anubis and other ancient egyptian gods were always depicted only holding one. Tarewet holds 2. Also I agree with the fact that Anubis is really never depicted with long hair, and the ears on the statue we see aren’t pointy like Anubis. but…the picture in the Temple we see has got to be Anubis and it looks like hes feeding the smoke monster something…thoughts…
Comment 309, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rumblestilskin wrote:
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Didn’t somebody have a thoery that the island was in a different time than the outside world? COuldn’t somewhere in all this, when Charle’s leave’s the island he gets sent back in time or something? Maybe at some point, time on the island stopped completely, so even though in the outside world 20 years go by, on the island it has only been something else? Or am I completely out of my mind here?
Charles can also one day go BACK to the island but like Jack and them, go back to a point in time a certain amount of years beforehand. Then get off, assuming our Losties get off again, but this time when he gets off the year is 1984.
I don’t know just throwing some ideas out there that may be way out of line….
Comment 310, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
And didn’t Widmore have handcuffs on in that departure scene? I’d imagine we’ll get an explanation about that.
Comment 311, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/Sd1YgQw89DI/AAAAAAAAPp0/uEd7fm2S-bY/s1600-h/512+glyphs+image.jpg
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4×11/cabinfever-cap103.jpg
not the same…right? although i think both are referring to the smoke monster
Comment 312, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
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I thought the same thing(feeding), or maybe it’s Anubis himself being judged. Not sure. I don’t think the statue is Anubis, but I know others agree it is. I think it’s someone else.
Comment 313, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
The best part of this episode was when Ben strolled up to Ilana and her cronies all frienly asking if they needed help. The dorky smile and chipper demeanor hiding the fact that he knows exactly what they’re up to.
I copied this comment from a review on tvsquad.com:
“Speaking of Smokey, at least we know what it is now – flush the cave toilet and your reward is a visit from the floating smoke turd. OK, not really, but what was up with that summoning process?”
Comment 314, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I’m not one of Ben’s original fans, but I do like the way he set up Caesar.
Comment 315, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
To me it looked like Widmore was trying to trick Ben into killing the baby, so that Ben would be exiled then and there. Widmore saw Ben as a threat from the start. Now I guess it took a few years to actually get widmore off the island, but I’m guessing he was a pretty bad guy all along and deserved it. (maybe not though, we haven’t seen him do anything significantly evil yet) Maybe the purge had something to do with leading widmore off the island. BUT it also appears that killing Alex would be how Ben was SUPPOSED to be exiled. Widmore said “It will happen eventually, and when it does…” right?
-Frank Lapidus is totally an egyptian. And I’m still kicking around that Richard is the alien (or a god-but not all powerful or all knowing). I hope Frank Lapidus has a flashback episode soon. I think he will since he just got knocked out. However I think I’m gonna lean toward the password theory regarding “what lies in the shadow of the statue”.
What does anyway? The wheel?
Comment 316, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
Tawaret, it still could be.
But if you want long hair, Anubis had it:
http://www.egyptianmyths.net/anubis.htm
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Comment 317, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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D & C also commented that, after an episode is “in the can,” they staff sits down and watches it form the POV of a viewer. They didn’t like N & P all that much.
8) Jim
Comment 318, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
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Yes, please! Why are people intrigued by watching a celebirty(?) get smashed and fall down?
8) Jim
Comment 319, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
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My problem is the ears. The hair doesn’t bother me. Just the ears….plus anubis is often seen holding some type of wand or staff or something….but anything can go on this show.
Comment 320, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Flyboy wrote:
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Ben said “Dead is dead” when talking to Sun about the Island’s power. A probable misquote: “The Island can heal, but dead is dead. This…”
8) Jim
Comment 321, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ra wrote:
is this referring to my earlier post? thanks if it is…if not i think my post is 275…but here is the link i provided there http://tle1lost.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/2009-03-05_155047_14194.jpg
anyway…it DOES look like the carving in smokie’s home, that Anubis is giving him something. Do you also see the smaller looking object carved there? Looks kind of like a baby? Located in between them?
One more thing about this-in the upper right corner an ankh is featured upside down and that the whole “picture” has snakes in it. I did some research and quoting “Black Man of the Nile and his Family” (page 362) states that the upside down ankh is a latin cross symbolizing sorrow (interesting that ben says he’s sorry to Alex)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh-Morpork -talks about a fictional city-state…the origin of the ankh gets interesting under the “Geography” & “History” part
thoughts??
Comment 322, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
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Was Ben offering Rousseau advice to protect herself or was he adding something to drive her over the edge?
8) Jim
Comment 323, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
wallyp wrote:
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Widmore very well could have trying to trick Ben, not sure on that…as old as Penny is (she is older than Alex) Widmore would have already been a dad when he ordered Ben to kill the baby and Danielle. Maybe Jacob did tell Widmore that Ben had to kill Danielle and the baby because they were not killed while she was pregnant. Maybe Ben and Ethan were really still a part of Dharma at this time but trying to fulfill some sort of test to become a part of the others… I have to say that the young Widmore who talked to young Ben seemed nice and comforting when he talked to him.
Not sure why the island or Jacob would want Danielle and her baby killed but maybe there was or will be an explanation.
Comment 324, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
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also wanted to add that it’s interesting Ben said he’s sorry because we saw from his home that he had alot of egyptian figurines and that he read alot. Probably alot about heiroglypics considering all the markings his secret door and the rest of the island had…maybe he saw that in the upper right corner before smokey came and figured he HAD to say sorry???
Comment 325, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Ben: Where did John go?
Sun: He said he had something to do.
Ben: Did he say what it was?
Sun: No, I didn’t ask.
Can’t a guy take a dump in peace? Jeez.
Comment 326, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Funny he KNEW where to go. I think John knew that Ben was gonna live. I don’t think he was taking a dump…..so where WAS he?
I also find it iteresting that he tells Sun he is the same John he has always been…or something along those lines. Hmmmmm
Comment 327, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Just a thought here, but I can’t see Ben being so remorseful about shooting Des that he would make such a point of getting an apology back to him. We didn’t see the end of the Ben\Penny\Des scene, and I’m thinking Ben either does end up killing Penny, OR, given the two scenes last night where Ben showed a soft spot for kids, it might be more likely that he killed little Charlie, possible by accident. anyone feelin’ me on this?
Comment 328, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Lar wrote:
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IMO, they showed us exactly what they wanted us to see. I think he was just truly sorry and didn’t realize they had a child. That’s just me. I think the mystery is solved, but again….I may be wrong.
Comment 329, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
really good stuff from that LAtimes blog that merits discussion
1. “Tonight, we fully expected to see the scoop on the temple, the monster and what happened to Penny, but who could have expected the revelation that Ilana and a few other passengers from the Ajira Airways flight were apparently Others all along (though of the exiled and ticked-off-about-it variety).
The giveaway? Their code with one another: “What lies in the shadow of the statue?” The answer? We don’t know for sure yet. Though there are a few options. “Death” is my guess, but depending on the definition of “lies” it could also be “Ben.” How cutesy are the Others? Not very. I’m sticking with “Death.”
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Presumably that also clears up the question of whom the broken, four-toed statue depicts. It’s Anubis’ island, and Ben and Locke and even Widmore are merely visitors.
Are Ilana and the rest of the crew REALLY exiled others?
Comment 330, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
That was just a simple gesture of reassurance to Sun with whom Locke has a history. Sun knows the island is powerful, it has done things to her that were supposed to be impossible. Locke is asking her to continue her faith.
Comment 331, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
hank vega wrote:
Though I am not sold on it being a pass phrase, I do recognize it as a very plausible theory. My issue would then be, Widmore is sending another group, and these members do not know who comprises their own group, to the point where they need a passcode among themselves? Something doesn’t sit right with me simply because it is so difficult to even get to the island, and its a confined area…there are only so many people that are going to make it.
In addition there are a lot of variables that go into that kind of plan because no one knows for sure if the plane is going to crash on the island.
If they do introduce a third group, it won’t be something that we’ll need too much details about. It would be something we’d accept as a force that wants control of the island. Maybe part of the original force that Widmore fought against to protect.
Comment 332, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
secretgarden wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. I think he looks buffer too. This could be signifying that he is now the leader.
Also, there is a interesting similarity between John and Richard. There demeanor is very similar. Richard always seems to be the leader thou never taking that roll. John has that same silent strength.
Maybe his younger look means he is getting younger. Maybe when Richard came to the island he was older too.
Comment 333, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
why is ben so shocked to see locke alive he says the island has never done this before .. does he not know about christain shepard ?
Comment 334, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
We definitely need more on how Widmore got exiled. I mean that is just a weird turn of events. I am disappointed in the whole Rousseau explanation. I mean I don’t have any kids yet, and I’ve never witnessed a childbirth, but she delivers her own child…on a deserted island? On the one hand that makes her a tough SOB. Then on the other, she let’s Ben come into her tent with a cap gun, and march off with her child, the only person she knows on the island? Despite having a rifle right next to her bed?
I guess it worked out for her in the end because she did reunite with Alex for the short time but sheesh, I’d like to think Ben wouldn’t have come out of that unscathed.
Comment 335, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
what the hell did ben say to alex?
Comment 336, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LuliB wrote:
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Ilana and several of the coach crowd from Ajira 316 are members of the new Dharma (not an acronym) initiative. The large metal case contains a new SONAR beacon (these people love the word SONAR, although they may actually be right this time.) to replace the one that had its circuits fried by the electromagnetic pulse when the Swan imploded.
“What lies in the shadow of the statue?” The Temple, but only one certain days (one day?) of the year. I need a navigator here, but I think that day would vary with the latitude of the Island; so if it’s moving…, but never mind. The question is also a challenge with “The Temple” being the password and a statement of purpose.
When the beacon is deployed, the new Dharma will be able to find the Island and send more people to take the Island away from the Others, they hope.
That’s the war that’s coming.
8) Jim
Comment 337, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Rumblestilskin wrote:
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Seems like a reasonable guess. If it’s possible that Locke and Christian are in the same state, some kind of manifestation of their soul, then you have more support. We’ve seen a lot of smoke references for Christian. He appeared out of nowhere in front of Michael before the boat blew up, he set off the “smoke alarm” in Jack’s office in LA, and we may have seen smokey in the background during Christian’s discussion with Sun/Lapidus.
Also, being connected to smokey might have subconsciously lead Locke to the declivity beneath the temple wall. It was pretty weird that Locke knew to go under the temple. That statement seemed to even startle Ben a bit.
Comment 338, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Lar wrote:
I think he was trying to cover all his bases, in case Smokey was judging his every past sin…making it seem like he was sorry for what he had done, just in case? I think he probably felt like he should try to make up for anything he could on the way to see Smokey so maybe the island would think he was repentant?
Comment 339, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
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We’ve seen a lot of smoke references for Christian. He appeared out of nowhere in front of Michael before the boat blew up, he set off the “smoke alarm” in Jack’s office in LA, and we may have seen smokey in the background during Christian’s discussion with Sun/Lapidus.
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Is that true about the smoke alarms?! I don’t remember that at all, but it would be amazing to see it again.
Comment 341, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I think Ben knows all about the Temple, but that he had never been down into that hole. “One simply does not go down there, m’dear.” *grin*
It just occurred to me that the Monster can’t pass through water. Passing over water is a different question. Pulling up on the plug drains a communication tube down to…somewhere. This allows the human who the Monster recognizes to call it out to do its work. The drain closes automatically after a few seconds and a constant seep refills the bowl. Last thing I’d want is for the Monster to come visiting me in the middle of the night.
8) Jim
Comment 342, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Waththeheck wrote:
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Ah, but not in the cargo hold. Personnally, I think they found them on Hydra.
8) Jim
Comment 343, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
woManfromtallahassee wrote:
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Its in S04E10 – Something Nice Back Home.
Comment 344, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Let’s see…
Total of three boats. Sun and Lapidus take number one. Ben and Locke take number two. Lapidus returns with number one.
Ilana and crew take the metal box and load it on both boats (Huh?). They paddle up ot what was the beach camp, stopping for a few brews, and carry the box inland. While they’re gone, Locke and party come back to the beach camp and find the boats (and the Ajira bottle). Wouldn’t Ilana be surprised to see Locke dressed in field gear? Running gun battle ensues untils Locke and party shift out again.
But where did they take the box?
8) Jim
Comment 345, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I was thinking…
What lies in the shadow of the statue.
Literally, the shadow of the statue is smokey and what lies in smokey – Judgment !
Comment 346, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
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It’s even worse, in one sense. Widmore wasn’t exiled until after the Others controlled the submarine. That’s after December 1992. But it gets better. Widmore is talking to Ben in 2008. So it’s sixteen years since exile. Maybe it feels like twenty.
8) Jim
Comment 347, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Jim in Georgia wrote:
Good points. Miles knew that Widmore had been searching for 20 years too though, and that was ‘04.
Comment 348, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Illanna represents the DeGroots.
She leads —– “Strike Force Ann Arbor”
Comment 349, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Jim in Georgia wrote:
Or, he spent several years in pre-exile on island(in the polar bear cages maybe) . He twenty years to get back, might have been back into POWER.
: ) P
Comment 350, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Hammer wrote:
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Yes, that is a good catch. If it turns out the Widmore funded Dharma in some way, then orchestrated the purge of his own folks to throw off Richard and the Others…then he is truly evil.
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I took it as Widmore was leaving the island OFTEN not only because he has a baby with an ‘outsider’, but also was building an empire in the real world AND getting involved with DHARMA, helping build the Lamp Post, to exploit and take over the island. IMO, he was discovered as being involved with DHARMA sometime near the purge…may even have been why the purge happened. He was then banished and so far, the island won’t let him back. So now he has been trying to get other people there to do his bidding. His latest attempt is having folks follow the O6 back to island. His new crew know that there are several of them on 316, but don’t know each other until the pass code is asked. Frank isn’t part of the new crew…butt of the gun to the head.
Comment 352, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Miss lost wrote:
Penny had to have been a teenager when Alex was born. I would put her at mid 30’s in 2004, but even if she were late 20’s, she would have been at least 12 years older than Alex (at sixteen).
: ) P
Comment 353, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Jim in Georgia wrote:
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I hope I deleted all the previous posts in this correctly, if not, sorry!
So this happened before the old Locke left the island, correct? He was on the boat with Sawyer and Juliet when they were getting shot at by who we now can presume to be Ilana and co. I can’t remember how long it was after that until Locke turned the wheel and left, but the island was flashing through time still, right? Maybe that’s how Sun and Jin are able to be reunited? Who knows?
Comment 354, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
steve wrote:
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I was thinking more on those lines, but it can have multiple meanings….to some viewers, the obvious…to people like me it can also mean what you said. I am sure the actual answer will be something obvious.
Comment 355, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
city of angels wrote:
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If they were don’t you think Ben would remember them or they would remember Ben? They seem to be younger than him…
Comment 356, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Miss lost wrote:
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They are the other “others.”
Comment 357, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Jim in Georgia wrote:
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i think the ammo was already on the island too. They seeme to be looking for something after the plane crashed…
Comment 358, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
What other “others”?
Comment 359, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Miss lost wrote:
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I think a conspiracy to have ‘agents’ onboard a plane that is headed for the island can include making sure a box full of guns makes it’s way into the cargo one way or another. Remember when Widmore had Sun detained at that one airport? Widmore has people everywhere. C’mon, you think he couldn’t arrange for the guns to be onboard? Please.
Comment 360, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Frank wrote:
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Is that like the other other white meat?
Comment 361, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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the fact that they can time travel, be judged by smokey, or get healed by the island…getting ammo on the plane would be childs play for this show…:)
But imo someone knew there was ammo on the island and when the plane crashed they went to find it…maybe Sayid was taken hostage by llana because widmore he would go after ben…just a thought…also, maybe needed a code because they do not know each other but knew there were other agents on board to help wage the “war”…
Comment 362, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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They are pork people?
Comment 363, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I loved this episode. I am also impressed with the casting for Widmore.
I’m still looking for a reason why Ben was rushing to be judged so much. Almost as if you have to pass smokie judgement in order to use so and so. If only we were shown what happens to little Ben in the temple if being there is the only thng he can’t remember?
Comment 364, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Adapa1 wrote:
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Ben wants to be on the island. Might as well get the judgment thing out of the way right off the bat. Otherwise he’ll just be looking over his shoulder all the time.
Little Ben remembers he doesn’t like his dad judging by the way he asked Charles, “Is my dad here?”. So I think the only thing he forgot is knowing Sayid and being shot by him.
Comment 365, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Frank wrote:
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Haven’t seen that Sonic commercial? It’s probably a local thing. Sorry.
Comment 366, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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I didn’t think he was rushing to be judged at all. I think Locke rushed him more than anything. When he woke from his paddle-nap, IMO he was truly shocked to see John alive. He told the once gullible Locke about being judged and Locke took the reigns from there.
Comment 367, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Good point. I agree.
Comment 368, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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Adding to that, I think after unclogging the toilet and saying “I’ll be outside” was just a ploy. At least what he said was, does smokey speak English or Egyptian?
Comment 369, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
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After seeing Smokey/Mean Bitch/Alex make Ben do a pants poop, I’d say English.
Comment 370, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Jim in Georgia wrote:
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Been thinking about that more. When or TT losties stole the outrigger on TBI, there were 2 at beach camp, meaning Ilana and crew probably took the 2 along with Lapidus and the sonar/gun box. I like the sonar idea. The other outrigger would presumably still be docked where Ben and Locke left it.
Comment 371, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Tasha wrote:
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I agree with Lar. I am not so sure Ben didn’t accomplish his mission.
Comment 372, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Dakota wrote:
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I agree but IMO Dr. Walter Bishop is just as good.
Comment 373, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LINS wrote:
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I think so too. Just because he knows about the Lamp Post doesn’t mean he knows how it works. That’s what Hawking is for. Maybe they had some kind of falling out and she won’t help him find the island because she knows he “broke the rules”.
As others have suggested, I too hope there is going to be more to the whole banishment scene/explanation.
Comment 374, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
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sector7 wrote:
Good point. She was hotter than ever.
Comment 376, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Amber wrote:
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There is no second time around. Everything happened once, Sawyers group just live it in a different order.
Comment 377, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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Ilanas team work for Widmore. She had Sayid for killing the Econimist. One of Widmores crew.
Mia wrote:
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I think she does remember Ben. She takes him to Sayid and tells him he is one of the others. She has told Sayid the others whisper. Ben told her “if you hear whispers, run.”
steve wrote:
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That is exactly where my thoughts went.
Comment 378, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
To those that think of me as arrogant or whatever other words were used last week I DO NOT CARE. I am not going anywhere so you can look forward to hearing from for the next year and a half.
I like to play the role of devil’s advocate on hear until something is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. You can call me a man of science. I need more evidence to be convinced of things than some people do. If you don’t like it I am sorry for that but I think I bring up valid points whether you agree or not. Sometimes I can come across as a smartass but that is just me. I never intend any harm and have even started making the little symbols that people have informed me about to lightin my comments some so that people should know that I mean no harm. But just because you do not agree with my comments or the way they come across doesn’t mean they are wrong (although they might be). I like to use this blog because their are some smart insightful people on here that make me think about things in a different way. There aren’t any of my close friends who watch the show and are able to discuss it like the people who frequent this blog. Just to reiterate, I do not care if you think I am arrogant or mean or whatever just remember that everyone is on here because they LOVE the show and have a passion for understanding it. No two people are the same and we should all have a little more understanding of our differences and stop being so judgemental. Myself included.
Comment 379, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
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There was definitely some pieces missing in the episode. Ben getting caught in the net by Rosseaou, is one for example, maybe they will be in Ben’s next FB. Which should be his last.
I am thinking more and more about the “rules”. Ben gave us possibly 2 examples of what “breaking” them are, apparently just after the purge when Widmore was banished in handcuffs.
1. Leaving the island regularly.
2. Having a daughter with an outsider.
I am wondering how/if at all they relate to Ben saying Widmore “changed” the rules. There must be more rules, right?
Comment 380, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
DocH wrote:
True. Properly documented firearms may be shipped in approved containers on certain long haul carriers. Just one thing. NOT with ammo. So, unless Team Ilana planned to club folks with their rifles, they had to arrange for ammo somehow/somewhere. (ohhh. maybe they knew they needed extra paddles for the outrigger canoes.) And how the heck did Frank paddle that monster canoe through open seas all by his lonesome?
Comment 381, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Duke wrote:
Agreed. Please contribute. BTW, you forgot the :)
Comment 382, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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Maybe Mikhail, Charlie, Greta or Bonnie helped Lapidus.:)
We saw a gun locker in the Hydra surveillance room back in Season 3. I think Jack found it then found Kate and Sawyer in the bear cage. I am not sure if they were the same weapons Ilana and crew had. Not too familiar with weapon types. I think there was ammo in there as well.
Comment 383, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Here’s a crazy theory.
I think the island may be purgatory and is some type of gateway for both good and bad spirits.
Faraday is probably jacob once he ‘dies’ later in life.
just throwing it out there – the show does seem to have a christian undertone to it (if not blatent sometimes).
Comment 384, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
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Frank big and strong, and bring Tarzan.
Comment 385, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Frank wrote:
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It was a joke. I Remember when Sawyer and them found the boats in the epsiode “the Little Prince?” He said “Who came in these? Other Others?”
Comment 386, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Lies, Lies, and more Lies. I stand by my comment 100 from before this episode aired. Ben is a master manipulator and liar, he sprinkles just enough truth to make it believable. Ben knows that the smoke monster can judge you but he had no intention of going to be judged. He was planning on killing Locke as confirmed by Alex, who I think was just the smoke monster pretending to be Alex, at the end of the show.
I have only read up to comment 281 so I apologize if I am repeating what someone has already said.
* Ben is soft on kids. I think it fits with his background perfectly. He sees kids as innocent victims. He sees himself as an innocent victim when he was a kid so he can relate.
* At the beginning of the ep. Ben asks to help Ilana and friends move the crate. At the end of the show it is confirmed that Ilana and friends have a mission with a box full of ammo. This has Widmore written all over it, from his warning of the coming war to the fact that lots of weapons and people who know how to use them is the same tactic he used before with the ferry (keamy, etc.) folks.
* Ben taking the picture of him and Alex from the office is purely to cover his own butt in case Caesar finds it. Remember he just finished lying to Caesar about not remembering Lock from the plane so he puts the seeds of doubt that Locke might be from the island. It certainly would not bode well for Ben if Caesar were to find a picture of him and Alex in Ben’s office.
* Ben only spares Danielle’s life after he finds out she has a baby (remember the whole soft for ‘innocent’ kids thing!). He even confirms this later when he tells Widmore that he never told him that she had a kid. Ben then tells Widmore to kill the baby himself if he claims that Jacob wanted it done. He then sprinkles more truth to Danielle about running the other way from the whispers so she will not go looking for Alex.
* Ben kills Caesar because he does not need more problems along his manipulation trip to the big island. Locke told Caesar to take one of the boats and follow them if he wants. Remember, all along he is just lying and manipulating looking for his weasel opportunity to kill Locke, he has no intentions of going to be judged by smokey. When Caesar starts to expose Ben’s lies by asking him why he is going with Locke then Ben springs to action. Obviously the island did not tell Ben to kill Caesar, or attempt to kill Desmond for that matter along his way to shoot Penny.
* Ben has a few pieces of the puzzle, but I do not believe that he sees the big picture. He can’t see the forrest for the trees. He is shifty, constantly changing his plan as necessary to manipulate and achieve HIS goals, NOT the ISLAND’S goals or Jacob’s for that matter. He is flying by the seat of his pants and clearly just wants to maintain control at all costs. That is precisely why his plan is constantly changing. Locke to Ben: “You just make friends everywhere you go…” (comment as to why he was beat up on the plane, why he was hit by an oar by Sun, etc.). Ben back to Locke: “friends can be more dangerous than enemies” …. True, because friends will eventually find out the truth and expose you for what you are… a manipulating liar.
* Ben to Locke: “I shot Caesar because it was his gun and he was going to shoot you, consider that payback for killing you”. More BS! He needs Locke alive still because he doesn’t know what to do next. Just like when Locke was about to hang himself. Remember the excuse he gave Locke for why he tried to prevent him from killing himself: “You had critical info that would have died with you forever”. Same thing this time. He will spare Locke long enough till Locke will slip and tell him what to do next then he was planning on killing him again! Only this time Locke is purposefully vague with Ben because he is totally on to him!
* IMO Widmore is clearly bad also. He is selfish and exploiting the situation just like Ben only for different reasons. Charles has a double life off the island where he has had a child with a woman off the island and he has obviously built a financial empire based on his island exploits. Ben, on the other hand, just wants control of the island because he is power hungry and thinks he is special. However, I believe that he is quickly seeing that he is not special at all…. Locke is clearly showing him that, and so is smokey.
* Locke calls Ben out on being judged for ‘breaking the rules’ and quickly corrects Ben and says nope… you are being judged for killing your daughter. And it is clear that Ben does not believe he killed his daughter. He blames Widmore for that and his sole purpose for leaving the island was for revenge by killing Penny. I don’t believe his repent story to smokey and Alex. Clearly Alex has informed Ben that if he does not follow everything Locke says she will hunt him down and kill him. Even she does really believe him. By the way, I think Alex is just a manifestation of smokey. The rules probably require a second chance before you face your fate. Remember that Eko had the same experience with smokey the first time and then later Yemi appeared to him when he was to face his fate and die for not repenting. Yemi made a comment to Ecko: “you keep referring to me as your brother”… can you say smokey manifestation?
* Twice Ben asks John smugly: “do you dissaprove of that?” in reference to things Ben did when he was a leader. One was at the office when Locke said that it seemed too ‘corporate’ for Ben to be leading from behind a desk, and the second time when John questions Ben on why they moved to the barracks after purging Dharma. Both times John seemed to think that those things would not be something the island or jacob wanted. Ben to Locke: “you don’t know what the island wants”. Locke back to Ben “are you sure about that Ben?”. Love it!!!!!!!!!!! Very interesting since Ben told Locke: “Jacob doesn’t like technology like you Locke” before they entered Jacob’s cabin. Even Ben realizes that Locke has a much deeper connection and is far more special than he.
* When Sun shows Ben the picture of ‘77 Ben acts surprised that they were in Dharma back then. I call bigtime BS on this. More manipulation by Ben. He clearly remembers that. The first thing he told Charles when he woke up after being healed was that he did not want to go back to hid Dad. I think he remembers everything EXCEPT Sayid shooting him.
* Ben says “Dead is Dead” to Sun and that he is shocked that Locke is alive. He tells her that even on this magical island that can heal he has never seen anything like this. He evens says “Frankly Locke scares the hell out of me”. All this after telling Locke that he knew this would happen. BS and more BS. More of the usual from Ben. Charlie says he is dead but ‘here I am’ to Hurley. Alex appears alive along with Yemi and Locke after they were dead. Obviously there is something here. Maybe they are the whisperers who are stuck between life and death? I have some other ideas on this as well if anyone cares.
* Even at the end when Ben is facing Alex he seems to cringe and cower for what he did while acting like he is sorry and that he is ashamed and then the second he realizes she is not there anymore he changes completely and appears to not have anymore remorse, not sad, just moves on….WEIRD! Does not appear to be someone who is genuinely sorry for what he has done. Maybe I am wrong and Ben will change his ways and be spared but I am certainly not holding my breath.
Sorry for the long winded post but I have to go out of town and I wanted to get it out there…. lol
Great comments so far. Love some of the theories on this board.
Comment 387, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I was thinking that Ben really doesn’t know what Jacob wants and has been surviving (and fooling everyone) by his wits. Ben was being sarcastic to John when he asked him “when did you start knowing…”, but I feel that it was nevertheless a real question – just delivered in Ben’s arrogant manner. Locke is revealing Ben’s lack of REAL knowledge – questioning why did they move into Dharmaville, asking Ben if he is “sure about that” when told that he doesn’t have the slightest idea what the island wants”. Ben is being found out.
I am thinking that perhaps this is what Widmore meant when he said that Ben “tricked him” into leaving the island. Could be that Ben TOLD him that Jacob wanted him banished – for some flimsy sounding reasons. Since then, Widmore discovered that Ben was NOT really “in the know” with Jacob, so he been trying to come back.
So then, I’m thinking that Charles (and maybe others as well) have had their own Smokey Meetings, where they were told to toe the line “or else” – that would explain Charles COMPLETE demeanor change when told that “Jacob wants this…”. So, if Ben said “Jacob said you are to be banished”, Charles would not DARE to disobey.
OK. Let the debunking begin :)
Comment 388, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
AustinTX wrote:
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i don’t know why but i love the idea that faraday may be jacob (i’ve been a really big fan of faraday’s character). he totally manipulates the idea for the Losties to believe that whatever happened, happened…thus causing them to try and stick to the story that they already know will happen.
also, faraday is really really smart and with the exception of alpert and widmore we know they have been apart of the past, present and future of the island.
while all this said, i can’t totally be convinced. clearly jacob is an entity we can’t really understand just yet. yet being the keyword.
p.s. i love everyone else’s ideas, i have some as well but don’t have the best way to explain so i just read…i’ll post more one day :)
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sector7 wrote:
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Yeah, That way you get to pick the weapons you want and have your people train with them. Every rifle is NOT the same.
8) Jim
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One thing I haven’t seen anyone mention…please help!
When Locke and Ben make it to the Barracks to Ben could summon the monster (Sun and Lapidus are there)…Didn’t anyone notice the orientation/registrations sign hanging there?!?!
I know the last time we saw the Barracks was when Keamey and his man destroyed it, but there were def none of those signs at the point in time….
I’m thinking Sun, Lapidus, Ben and Locke are in an alternate TT while the other Losties went to 1977. Maybe the others never took over the Barracks after the purge (kind of like how Locke implied to Ben that maybe Jacob/island didn’t want that to happen)…maybe these four are meant to finish out the duties of ‘77 Losties….
thoughts?
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Rita wrote:
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Rita wrote:
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smokey might be a combination of all the ‘bad’ people who have passed on the island and jacob could be a combination of all the ‘good’ people that have passed away on the island.
it would all be in the Eye of The Beholder as to what they see in the smoke or the cabin.
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Rita wrote:
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Was Widmore shackled only for the sub ride?
8) Jim
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Rita wrote:
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Okay…the scene where we first ’saw’ jacob…Ben is talking to him…makes Jacob angry…cabin shakes, etc. To me, Jacob WAS talking to Ben. Ben is ’shocked’ to find out Locke heard the words ‘help me’ directed at Locke.
I think Ben saying Locke has no idea what the island wants was another ‘test’ to see if Locke is the next chosen one.
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the whole concept of smokey really bothers me because it doesn’t consistently do the same thing. didnt it kill a pilot of the first flight 847, ben used it to kill the guys that killed his daughter, it “judged” ben and eko, juliet and kate hid from it at one point,etc. smokey does seem to be able to manifest itself as different things or people. the example of alex, eko’s brother, maybe even the horse that kate saw in the first season, maybe as walt, etc. it just makes it hard to figure out what is really happening sometimes and what is smokey. if christian is smokey manifesting itself possibly, couldn’t what we see as locke also be a manifestation of smokey? after all, ben was only “judged” by smokey after “locke” left for a moment and when “locke” returned smokey “left”.
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Well, I guess you could look at it like this…If Smokey=security…then everything he does is a decision that best fits the security of the island. If that is his motivation and WE don’t know what the island needs to happen but he does…then maybe his actions are actually consistent.
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i post this just a short bit ago and re-watched this scene to gain some more insight…
it’s been slightly debunked because when ben walks into his house the risk game is still on the table that hurley and whoever was playing right before keamey’s men got there plus alex’s room was there and all of ben’s stuff….
BUT!!!! the “Processing sign is still hanging once this scene opens….
still thoughts from anyone?
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I was just thinking about how I don’t think Caesar was a Widmore plant. If he was, he wouldn’t have had to go find a gun, he would have known about the case and the secret code word to get ‘his’ gun from the case…no?
I think he was just acting like Jack did, trying to take charge and find out what the heck is happeneing on this goofy island…only he stumbled across the Others much quicker and when they (Ben) had whole lot less patience for someone trying to ‘take charge’.
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I am new here, and not really into the lost theory stuff, so to be honest i didnt read all above. With that said, has it occured to anyone that Elloise Hawking IS Penny’s mother, and that in fact makes Dan Faraday her half brother? Just a though
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JZ wrote:
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Still processing this in my head…is the sign indoors or outside?
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Yep, it has occured to anyone. :)
If THAT got you to check out this blog…you should get to reading, ’cause there is tons more interesting stuff than that going on here.
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it’s swinging on the outside of one of the barracks as soon as this scene opens…and the environment looks as if it was ambushed…seems more graphic than just the gassing of the original purge…i think dharma folk were purged but maybe in a different way and then the others did not take over…maybe because now LOCKE is the leader???
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Ahh, I’m following ya. Locke mentioned that he didn’t think it seemed like the island would want the Others to live in Dharmaville. Jacob doesn’t like technology. Course correction to get rid of DHARAMITES in a different way but same result.
I can buy it.
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Tasha wrote:
My first thaught was the answer could be “Benjamin Linus”… He lies everwhere all the time. While funny , perhaps not.
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justathought wrote:
Hi, JaT,
Not going to fault you, because every one of us has been where you are at some point… SO excited about your own theory that you are off to check the web and see if someone else has thought of it.
So excited, that you couldn’t possibly read all the posts, you just have to put your theory out there.
Yeah, we were all there once, so not gonna stomp and holler at you for not “following the blog rules” but fair warning… your theories will gain a lot more credence when you show others who are posting the same courtesy and read their posts.
To answer your question, yes, we’ve tossed that idea around. Some agree, some do not, some aren’t sure. There are lots of other interesting things floating around, so pull up a chair and stay a while….
: ) P
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^^^again in addition to this….which kind of debunks…the scene where the others are at the barracks right before widmore gets booted from the island….
But i promise you that “processing sign” is swinging in that scene…i can’t get over that
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JZ wrote:
The sign is swinging when Christian meets Lapidus and Sun. The same sign is swinging when Locke and Ben show up. Is that the sign you are talking about?
If so, I think that you need to keep in mind that for three years New Otherton camp was abandoned. The inside of rooms would remain much as they were left, but the outside was open to the elements, where wind and rain (and Smokey) can wreak havoc. I think the sign was probably always there, but because it was hanging properly, we didn’t notice it. Or not. *g*
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i think Widmore left AFTER the purge due to the fact that Ben was pushing a roughly 5-6 year old Alex on a swingset in Dharmavlle and Richard just casually strolls up to him to let him know Charles was leaving. Also they, meaning the others, seem to now be in control of the sub, which once belonged to Dharma and have been for awhile since Charles comes and goes as he pleases. Also a young Ethan, who was born into Dharma is with Ben when he goes to kill Danielle. SO….either Ethan and Ben are sneaking off to the others or they are now completely with the others.
btw-we saw the others, Widmore and Ellie on the island in the 50’s-how did they get there?
regarding comment 147-don’t forget that Ben still had the intention to try to off John again as he wanted Ceasar to believe that John was a crazy man already on island. Whether this makes Ben good, evil, or just jealous I don’t know
I’m over Ileana already. Get rid of her. Obvioulsy the 316 survivors have a major purpose yet to be revealed. But she reminds me of Ana Lucia who I couldn’t stand either.
Excellent dialogue b/w Ben and John. My favorite line was when John said to Ben that him ruling behind a desk just seemed so corporate.
They would have to eff up the ending of LOST pretty bad for me to really care. I’m so entangled, it really doesn’t matter but I do hope they pull it off. Are the writers really going as deep as some of the viewers are? They already admitted they screwed up the whole Charlotte’s age issue…
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Hurley is the guys voice repeating the #’s over the broadcast heard in the South Pacific by the 2 dudes, one who got supposedly cursed and the other who in the looney bin says them all the time during connect 4 games; With that said Danielle and her French comrades hear this broadcast and come to the island; Hurley doesn’t realize it yet but his life and those #’s are going to come full circle (He wins the lotto with them in 2002 or so?, sometime soon he send out a call through the radio tower in 1977-it is going to blow his mind or is it!!! It has got to be him giving those #’s over that radio broadcast….Thoughts anyone?
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Flyboy wrote:
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Hammer wrote:
Like Jimmy Walker used to say, DY-NO-MITE.
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Flyboy wrote:
You summed up the posts before the one you posted pretty well.
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wait-i’m confused. i remember the dude in the psycho ward that repeats the #’s, but what broadcast are you referring to? The one before 316 crashed?
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lola wrote:
Rosseaou and her crew first heard the numbers on a radio transmission, which she later changed for a distress signal.
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Hammer wrote:
Wow, I had forgotten about Jacob saying “Help me” to Locke. Seems like that was such a long time ago. What did he mean by that? I’m sure its been discussed before, but I’ve only been on this blog for a couple of weeks.
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Ilana told Sayid that she was hired to take him to Guam where the family of the guy he shot on the golf course lives and wants to deal with him. How would she have known that Sayid killed that guy on the golf course? from Widmore? That’s why I think she must be working for him.
Any thoughts?
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lost4ever wrote:
Sorry for not clarifying better. The distress signal was the one our LOSTies heard in the Pilot episode, the numbers were playing over and over on it before Danielle changed it. It was heard by Sam Toomey and Leonard Simms around 1988.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Numbers
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lost4ever wrote:
-Right!, That signal Rousseaou heard was the #’s in 1988 and they came after picking them up on radio transmission
That same signal was heard by 2 Navy guys in stationed at a listening post in the South Pacific; one guy being Hurley’s Connect 4 playing partner (he asked him where he got the #’s from after winning the lottery and he told him from (name I can’t remember) but that due was in the Navy with Connect 4 guy)
.Hurley went to see about this guy and went to Australia to see about these #’s he thought was cursed; there in Australia he finds out about the #’s and the guy who lived with his wife in miles away from people so noone would be harmed by his supposed curse of the #’s-remember the jelly bean counting story she told?!!!
.You see now that Hurley is in 1977, he will either be told to send out that radio transmission with those #’s or something will happen where he broadcast those darn #’s thru the islands radio tower—–and these events will follow……whatever happened…happened right!!
Events:
1977 Hurley broadcast #’s
1978, 1979-South Pacific Stationed Navy Guy hears them
1980’s sometime-Navy guy uses the #’s at a Fair to win jelly bean counting contest-CURSED!
1980’s sometime-His Navy buddy goes NUTS end up in the psych ward repeating those #’s while playing board and children’s games
1988-Rosseaou and Team hear this broadcast and come looking following that signal while on research vessel (this causes all sorts of stuff once they land)
2002-Hurley hears The #’s while playing connect 4 with Looney Guy
2002-Hurley plays those #’s and wins lottery!
Hurley thinks he’s cursed since bad stuff keeps happening
2004-Hurley asks Looney guy where he got the #’s; he gets upset and says “you shouldn’t have played them; you opened the box?” CRAZY!!
2004-Hurley goes to Australia to look for the guy in the Navy who worked with Looney Bin guy
Hurley finds his wife; she tells him about the beans
NEXT DAY-Hurley gets on flight and the plane crashes on Island-
THE STORY THEN KEEPs going….
Hear french broadcast, find French lady, find tower, find the original recording was of #’s from the french lady, Hurley spas out because these #’s are popping up everywhere….
But in my theory somewhere here soon; Hurley is going to transmit that Broadcast
I don’t know why yet; but it brings him full circle back to the Island in the First place…
In the 70’s he said those #’s on radio; and eventually those #’s got him back to that Island through course corrections and all and he is now back at the moment when he will tape that transmission.
It is a lot of stuff; hopefully doesn’t seem like rambling but I just got a feeling his voice is saying those #’s. It makes sense; it was his purpose!
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Yeah that’s kind of weird. So far we have seen Ben involved with getting Jack, Kate, and Locke on the plane. Did we see he was involved with Hurley or Sun? I assume he was as I thought he did Sayid. But maybe not, if Ilana does work for Widmore, maybe Widmore got Sayid on the plane. Thanks for confusing me.:)
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Nickb wrote:
I love the theory. What kind of situation would Hurley have to be in to say those numbers again?
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lost4ever wrote:
I wish I knew!!!Thats the fun part and what blows a hole in the theory…
Possible Situations- He makes broadcast so future people know the computer code to stop meltdown. (Best Possible)-Stop Incendent!
.He is giving out Longitude and Latitude for Island-To have someone arrive?
.He is telling himself to play those #’s in the lottery in the future or not!
There are a large # of reasons, if it comes to fruition that he did broadcast the #’s (which someone does at some point)…then the writers will have to have a great reason/situation for him to do so….because remember Hurley will know the strife and things to come from doing this!!!! But is may have been his destiny all along!!
Got to hit the hay!!! TGIF!!!
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lost4ever wrote:
I wish I knew!!!Thats the fun part and what blows a hole in the theory…
Possible Situations- He makes broadcast so future people know the computer code to stop meltdown. (Best Possible)-Stop Incendent!
.He is giving out Longitude and Latitude for Island-To have someone arrive?
.He is telling himself to play those #’s in the lottery in the future or not!
There are a large # of reasons, if it comes to fruition that he did broadcast the #’s (which someone does at some point)…then the writers will have to have a great reason/situation for him to do so….because remember Hurley will know the strife and things to come from doing this!!!! But it may have been his destiny all along!!
Got to hit the hay!!! TGIF!!!
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lost4ever wrote:
I wish I knew!!!Thats the fun part and what blows a hole in the theory…
Possible Situations- He makes broadcast so future people know the computer code to stop meltdown. (Best Possible)-Stop Incendent!
.He is giving out Longitude and Latitude for Island-To have someone arrive?
.He is telling himself to play those #’s in the lottery in the future or not!
There are a large # of reasons, if it comes to fruition that he did broadcast the #’s (which someone does at some point)…then the writers will have to have a great reason/situation for him to do so….because remember Hurley will know the strife and things to come from doing this!!!! But it may have been his destiny all along!!
Got to hit the hay!!! TGIF!!!
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lost4ever wrote:
Valenzetti Equation!!
I just googled my theory and saw it is shared and discussed by many other viewers, but the timeline is what has people thinking about it now we know they are in the 70’s. He broadcast the answer to the Equation!
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lost4ever wrote:
Hey lostforever, Ben did convince Sun to go, because he told her that Jin was alive, and that’s why she got on the plane. As for Hurley, he sure tried to get Hurley. You’re right though…how exactly was Hurley convinced to go? I think Widmore knew Sayid was a killing machine, and maybe he was supposed to help Ilana and co. with “the war”?
OK, and then I thought, when Charlie kept appearing to Hurley, did he want him to go back, or am I just making that up?
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I do think we are going to see Hurley and the Numbers being reinforced into the show soon, because Hurley hasn’t been doing jack sh*t for a while on this show, let’s face it. He hasn’t added much to the story for a while, other than being annoying (although he at least got some funny lines in his dialogue with Miles about WHH). At least before, Hurley was entertaining us and being funny, at the very least. Aside from the WHH discussion, he hasn’t even been doing that lately.
I also agree with the poster who likened Ilana to Ana Lucia. I couldn’t stand Ana Lucia and I’m sure I’m going to despise Ilana too. Not that this is bad for the show…Michelle Rodriguez obviously played her part well. I just didn’t like her character at all on the show.
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Just realized that I started a sentence by saying “at least” and ended it with saying “at the very least.” Talk about redundant! =)
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Nickb wrote:
This is great stuff! Nice!
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LostJunkie wrote:
Also, in the last episode we could infer that both Widmore and Ellie were on the Island at the time young Ben got shot by Sayid, in 1977. We know Widmore was there for at least a few years after that, up until he gets exiled, probably around 1984 or 1987 at the latest (I say that because if Widmore says he’s been trying to get back to the Island for 20 years, that means “20 years ago” is the mid-1980’s.) So, I think this means Widmore had nothing to do with orchestrating the Purge; he had already left. And we didn’t see Ellie at all in this episode during the flashback scenes with Widmore, so we still don’t know when she left, and what her exact relationship to Widmore is.
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What’s curious about this is that Ben is pushing Alex on a swing in the Dharma compound in 1987 and the others are using the Dharma sub too. So that would be post purge. Which does’nt add up with Horaces statement that leads us to believe the purge happened in early 90s
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What’s up with Ceasar getting shot??!! I thought he was going to be a character of more importance; but then again this is Lost so he might not be dead after all.
I don’t really like any of the Ajira survivors, I know is too early and they haven’t had any real exposure but I still think they’re a bunch of wannabes; I hope they all get killed by smokey.
Ilana is just as annoying as Ana Lucia was!
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I agree with Tasha. Remember that Ben’s gun went flying into the water as Desmond was beating him up. And just the way the scene ended, with Ben spewing blood into the water, I think that issue is closed.
As far as Ben telling Sun to tell desmond he’s sorry, I think the writers threw that bit in there to foreshadow the scene at the marina, and to keep up guessing as to what he meant. And as the scene in the marina developed, with Charlie coming up on the deck, it was pretty suspenseful scene, We thought there was a distinct possibility that Penny or Charlie would be killed, because of Ben’s “apology”. I think that the scene would have been a little less suspenseful if Ben hadn’t apologized.
And there’s the additional likelihood, which someone here has already mentioned, that once Ben saw little Charlie, he had a change of heart, and this goes along with the overall theme of Ben having a soft spot for kids, and that is the reason for his apology, in the context of the story.
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marco wrote:
Alex was sixteen (or so) when she died in 2004. That puts her birth in 1988 or so. She could not have been on a swing in 1987.
I said this back in 349, but wasn’t very clear. Trying again…
I posited that when Widmore says he has been trying to get “back” for twenty years, he really meant, “back into POWER” instead. Perhaps he was “in exile” for several years before he was actually banished from the island. So let’s say that he’s been leaving the island to go procreate, as well as possibly fund, and re-direct DHARMA to take advantage of the island. In the mid-80’s, perhaps Alpert finds out and confines him to the polar bear cages until they figure out what to do. Maybe they orchestrate the purge in 1992, and finally ex-communicate Widmore after that, possibly 1993 or 1994, based on Alex’s age on the day that Widmore is put on the sub.
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Funny story online…
http://tinyurl.com/HurleysGuitar
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okay I know this is late, but been busy. Missed some of Lost what happened when Ilana (sp?) told Frank to tie him up he’s coming with us? I was in and out of this episode due to trying to get my daughter ready for bed. So what happened in a nutshell during this part? I saw Ben shoot Caesar with the shot gun and them loading up the guns, but I heard something about the statue. As in the 4 toed statue? pls explain. Thanks!
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While thinking about judgment and owning up to ones transgressions, I thought about metaphorically facing demons, and had the following ideas.
TOTAL RECALL MEETS NURSE RATCHET THEORY — > What if none of what we are seeing is reality? Similar to the events in the movie Total Recall. Our character(s) is living an alternate reality generated for them with implanted memories and characters to guide them through a maze of events and decisions. All of these things are being observed and manipulated to test a theory that who we are is determined, and can be modified by, our environment. Each subject is their own control, and the observers are replaying situations to their subjects with certain roles and circumstances, that are altered from one trial to the next, in order to elicit a change in response. Much like in a deprogramming from a cult or an addiction, subjects are taught or trained to behave differently, only on the “Island” they are not only drug addicts, but perhaps they suffer mental/emotional anomalies that are being corrected through behavioral training. Note the constant references to medication, and the Hydra facility for re-programming. Hydra has many heads.
In this scenario, the plane never existed, but is rather is a symbol of going from one state of mind to another – a trip per say. The island is no island, but rather a symbol of a place that there is no easy escape from thus the subject must adapt to and deal with his/her environment. The change of environment would facilitate a way of leaving behind ones previous way of thinking and entering into a new way of thinking. The situations and events are a way to save one’s own world, from self destructive ways, one day at a time, or every 108 minutes at a time. Being FOUND would not be completed simply through deprogramming, so the subjects are placed on a journey which they have to trust and believe in themselves in order to find purpose in their lives. They are LOST from themselves, and must be reconnected with a sense of value and purpose in order to emerge from the experience to find they are whole and fixed.
May not fit all scenarios, but maybe thought provoking.
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I think it is something like this. I think its similar to the way Ben has been treated all along. I’m starting to think that Christian has taken Bens role on the island. Ben didn’t know it yet, but he was out of power as soon as Christian landed on the island… hence him getting the tumor. He has been being “judged” all along, and all the while sticking close to Locke. Similar to Ben and Widmore before. (maybe Grampa Ray was the secret fill in leader at that point?) John Locke has been being briefed basically on how to be a replacement. Ben turning the wheel was to escape final judgement, but he realized while off island that there was no escape and he would have to face it eventually.
I think its interesting how they show a few different sides to Ben in this ep. He has his evil manipulative side, but he does have his sensitive moments also (corse that could be just him trying to show it to the smokey), and he also has a constant need to prove his worth-even to John Locke while he’s still actually working against him. The final scene with him and John doesn’t prove to me that Ben will be able to change his ways, and perhaps we will see the smokey devour him eventually. (Its too late for him to just get sent home on a sub-he effed up real bad by turning that wheel) PS-I wonder if they had that scene with Alex in the cave in mind when they originally cast her, that was her best five seconds on the show.
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LostJunkie wrote:
My first thought about Lllana was that she was Ana Lucias sister.
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PJSander wrote:
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thanks for adding to this…maybe this wasn’t as clear as the earlier post…i didn’t “quote and reply” to those….
and i totally get the fact that they haven’t been there for 3 years, BUT the others were pretty civilized over there and really made the Barracks their home. They were smart, too. It didn’t make sense for me that the sign was left up simply because they didn’t have time to take it down. I dunno, just can’t get over it…refer to post #412 for a better explanation i started with…my apologies for not keeping it in one thread.
Thanks for everyone who had insight :)
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I hated Ana too! And Ilana is already annoying too! That connection is very strange…i think she actually looks like Ana’s mom…maybe a twin sister???
Comment 449, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Great Episode, the Smoke Monster a.k.a the “mirror of karma” around Ben was cheesy but still a great ep. Speaking of Ben, I agree with Flyboy, he has been, is and always will be full of it. He tells people exactly what they want to hear and he doesn’t give out any info he doesn’t need to.
With that being said, I agree with all the Egyptian references through the show and on this blog, but a lot of things lately have reminded me more of The Tibetan Book of the Dead.
This might have been discussed in previous thread but when you get a minute, Wikipedia the word Samsara. While your there, type in Buddhism and look at the “Wheel of Life / Dharma”…look familiar??? Also, the The Four Noble Truths might also shed light to what some of these character are experiencing.
The writes have always indicated the characters are not in purgatory, have they confirmed they aren’t in some state of Samsara???
P.S. I know some of these terms are related to both Buddhist and Hindu belief, please correct me if I’m wrong about anything.
Thoughts?
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Locke is Jacob wrote:
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I thought of the idea of re-incarnation as a theory that ties into Lost. I also think it is only happening for some characters…like Ben and Locke…but really didn’t have a good explanation for it…i can see it working in some way though
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JZ wrote:
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reincarnation or some kind of re-birth
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Hello, i’m new here and may be it’s not a fresh idea.
Is it possible that Ajira survivors are now suffering some kind of mental disease, like french expedition before them? so they just shoot themselves, like rousseau’s team.
Another thing about this Disease theory is that on the beach Lapidus meets the guy, who shouts that Illana and others are now in control and they behaving very strange. And they weren’t behaving in any way strange before that ep.
And another implication of this ‘mental disease’ – could it be possible that Purge is not what it seems, and Dharma people just killed one another, as a result of a Virus we’re heard so much.
The great chest Ajira survivors moving everywhere looks like a real pandora box! and why they take it to the boats, in Lapidus return scene?
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I’ve been wondering about the runway – since it turned out to be in fact a runway – “Jacob” saw the need for it and so directed the people to build it, right? For what? For Widmore’s “war”? For Ilana and co. to come, and do what? If it is in fact Widmore’s group with the guns, it is interesting that it was Ben’s group that built the runway.
Comment 454, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I rewatched too and here is what I got.
I think Locke did the thing with the shoes to remind us who’s they were.
I think they found the guns in the Hydra. I think the crate is holding Widmores body. Widmore sent Dexmond to Mrs. Hawdings because he knew whe was trying to send the O6 back and he wanted to follow them. Ilana and Co. are there to bring his body to the temple to be healed.
Ben protects innocents. Children are innocents. Ben lost his innocence when RA took him into the temple. The rule Widmore broke is he killed a true innocent, Alex.
April 10, 2009 2:26
Comment 455, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
I dont have time to read all of the above comments so forgive me if this theory was already said…
I believe the John Locke that was killed by Ben is dead. The Locke we are watching now is a Locke from another time, switched during the flash. After Locke “came back to life” he somehow knows a lot more all of the sudden, I think Ben is right, “dead is dead” ,… time will tell
Comment 456, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
As an official spokesperson for Team Widmore, we do not like the theory that such a prestigious gentleman of honor, and former leader on this island, is travelling cooped up in a metal crate. Moreover, we do not believe Widmore is dead, if in fact that is what you are alternatively intimating.
I also disagree slightly with Ben protecting innocents, as I’m not sure what Ceasar did to catch a hot one to the chest.
Finally, IMO I’m not sure if Ben is actually referring to an actual rule, or what he believes to be a rule, when he made his statement. Widmore already stated that Alex would eventually die if it was the will of the ISLAND.
Comment 457, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
question:
Why don’t you think Christian had contacted Jack at all? I know eventually they will meet up again, possible next season around the ending I am guessing. Perhaps makes a bigger story line? Thoughts anyone!???
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Shadow wrote:
I don’t think it would be to much of a stretch that Ben ratted him out. He’s trying to get everyone back to the island. Ben might have even hired her, told her where he was and was adamant about her and Sayid getting on the Algeria flight. There’s no reason to believe that she had any direct contact with the family and Ben could easily have posed as them over the phone or through some other intermediary.
Comment 459, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Yeah, Hammer AFTER THE PURGE!!! Some 38 years after we first met him which would coincide with his statement about helping protect the island for OVER 3 decades. 1954 probably wasn’t his first year there either. Maybe Widmore is more truthful than Ben.
Comment 460, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Just because he is doing what he does for the island doesn’t make him good. Hitler also thought what he was doing was for the greater good. I do not think anyone would consider him to be good.
Killing Penny wasn’t FOR the island. IT was for revenge. Not really understanding your coments this week Hammer something wrong. You sick or something? Not really on top of your game.
Comment 461, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
just throwing this out there…
Two things keep sticking in my mind when we talk about timelines:
1) Desmond waking up and “reliving” different events and things having the same outcome with Charlie after turning the failsafe key
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2)Faraday referring to his notebook to see if he had ” been here before” or something to that effect. I may be wrong, but it seemed as though he was writing himself notes to keep himself straight.
Both with Desmond and Faraday we also had the idea of “constants” to contend with. It seems to me that their time-jumping was different and a lot less linear than our oceanic 6 losties jumping back to 77. Not sure where I’m going with this, but it just seems that their time jumping was different by nature than this back-in-time jag that the ‘77ers are in.
also, I’m a long time lurker, posting for the first time on this episode. Love reading through the comments.
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That’s an interesting question. If in turns out Ilana and co are part of Widmore’s team, then perhaps it just suggests that Jacob is more concerned with the O6 to return to the island. In S04 Widmore’s team arrived on the island, but the island managed to keep Widmore himself off. Based on the developments, it seems that the coming “war” will be between the people who want to protect the island (Oceanic ppl, Others, Ben and Locke) and those that want to exploit it (Widmore?). Based on the Widmore flashbacks in this episode, I’ve started to feel doubt about whether Widmore could even talk to Jacob (he was always without words at the mention of his name). In any case, I think that the price of letting Ilana and co onto the island was small with respect to getting the O6 back.
I think there needs to be more light shed on the relationship between Widmore-Hawking-Ben. Its not really clear what side Hawking is on. Widmore knew exactly where to find her and lived with her on the island, but its not clear exactly how or why she left the island. When Ben found her in the Lighthouse, she seemed to want to help him at the same time. Got any theories on how she fits in?
Comment 463, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Halliwax wrote:
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You are wrong. The statue cannot be of someone on the show. It has a greater purpose and meaning behind it than that. Come on man stop dreamin!
Comment 464, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
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This may be overly simplistic, but perhaps because Jack just wasn’t ready yet. It wasn’t until this season where he finally admitted he was going to try to stop fixing things (to Kate in kitchen after little Ben was shot). Not sure if he needs to become a man of faith, but he at least needs to be a little in touch with that side to understand the island.
I think you’re right, its definitely part of a bigger story, and probably a really good one. :)
Comment 465, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
With all this talk of time travel, I think one question that hasn’t been addressed, is when in time are the passengers of flt 316 in relation to the island’s time line? The “Others” had been living in the Dharma barracks up until Ben turned the wheel, but when Sun, Lapidus, Locke and Ben are at the barracks, they’ve obviously been in disrepair for some time.
When Sawyer and the rest of the gang are jumping through time and get to their old camp, that camp is also a mess and obviously no one has been living there for some time. I think it’s pretty obvious who was chasing them in the boats, shooting at them when they took the canoe (Remember the Algeria water bottle in the bottom of the boat? And now the passengers of 316 have guns). So my question is, “When are Ben, Locke, Sun, Lapidus and the rest of the surviovrs of Algeria flt. 316?
Comment 466, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
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Had to give this some thought because on the surface, I like it. Here’s the problem though – The other two coffins (Locke and C Shepherd) found their own way to healing, the island did not require that they be BROUGHT anywhere. Locke flashed out of the plane and Shepherd fell out of the wreckage (may/may not have flashed) and both landed in/near water and went on their merry ways. If Widmore is in the crate, he is most likely still dead and won’t be revived. That can’t be because he still has more of a roll in our story.
Comment 467, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Heidi wrote:
Christian DID contact Jack. In the lobby of his office, he was there when Jack heard the beep of the smoke detector (which sounded like the warning beep of the computer in the Swan station). Though it SEEMS like a long time ago, it was in “Jack time” only a few months (or even weeks) before A316.
If you mean, why hasn’t Christian contacted Jack ON the island, I suspect that won’t happen until season 6 when there can be a big happy family reunion between Clair and Jack and Christian. Just speculating…
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Comment 468, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
LuliB wrote:
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Perhaps it has to do with the nature of the events. It looks like “constant” based time travel involved high doses of electomagnetism. In this form, they could only travel to a previous version of themselves. “wheel” based time travel physically transports mind and body, not necessarily into your personal timeline. But there are connections between the two. It seemed like Charlotte was the only person during “wheel” based travel that also may have experienced traveling back to a younger version of herself just before she died.
I’ve also been thinking a lot about Faraday’s notebook. I almost feel like he got it from a future version of himself (perhaps he’s writing it where ever he is now). He probably read it once not understanding any of it. But as events start to happen though, the notes start to become familiar. What do you think?
Comment 469, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
That crate was REALLY big – if Widmore is in there, he brought his own bed, a crate of McCutcheons, the journal of the Black Rock and three of his closest friends! LOL.
As for the weapons, sure there are regulations about what you can bring on a plane, even in the cargo hold, but this is WIDMORE, the man who had Sun pulled off a flight to LA so he could chastise her in his own little interrogation room in the airport. Someone with that clout can put a crate of anything he WANTS on a plane. Not that he did, just saying he COULD.
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PJSander wrote:
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LOL, I almost hope its true just to see the minibar setup in there. :) Out of anyone, he’s the man to pull it off. He probably owns Ajira Airways for all we know (thus he hired back Lapidus too?). I think the issue has more to do with continuity. Ben calls Widmore on the day of the flight to tell him he’s going back to the island. At this point it seemed like Widmore was still in England (he was coming out of his office). But that could’ve been an office in LA I suppose.
Comment 471, posted 11 months, 1 week ago - Quote and reply
Shadow wrote:
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We know that Hurley “saw Charlie” three times (convenience store, interrogation room and lawn of the asylum) and that they spoke once (at the asylum). I think they probably spoke again afterward. Curiously, we never saw Charlie die; when that commo room on the Looking Glass flooded, it had to trap a bubble of air at the top. Charlie said, “I am dead. But I’m also here.” He also said, “And now you have to do something. But you’re hiding from it.”
What did Hurley have to do? Bring a guitar? Recite the numbers? Regardless, Hurley’s there because Charlie called him back.
8) Jim
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