“Confirmed Dead” Recap
6 months, 4 weeks ago by WillRead more: ABC, Hurley, jacob, Locke, Michael, Sawyer
It’s pretty crazy to think there was a contention of people out there who thought that this particular episode was a let down after the season premiere - I could not disagree more. This episode rocked, and I cannot remember a better infusion of new characters into any show I have ever watched. I thought the acting was incredible, especially by Jeremy Davies as the character “Daniel Faraday” (is he really that awkward/goofy or is that just manipulation?) and Ken Leung as “Miles” (ghost whispering kicks ass, as long as it does not involve Jennifer Love-Hewitt). There is a ton to digest from this episode, but here are a few things I found interesting:
*A Little Lost Fandom Love: Lindelof/Cuse winked at us twice during this episode and most of you caught it - Locke asking “What is the Smoke Monster ?!?” when Ben was in secret-revealing mode and Locke again referring to Walt as “different, taller” - then getting sarcastically ridiculed by Sawyer
*Find815.com Tie-In: The beginning of the episode was a total overlay of what happened at the conclusion of Find815, with the discovery of the plane and the corresponding news coverage
*The New Characters: It is a bit premature to pinpoint exactly what is happening, but I picked up on two streams of thought coming from the excellent commentary that accompanied the post from yesterday:
A) Ben really does hate these people, and Michael could be his “man on their boat” - Makes sense because we have seen Walt but not Michael and it would be just like Ben to force Michael to continue carrying out his evil deeds to ultimately release he and Walt from the Island
B) We are in for a major twist and these people are on the Island to help Ben regain control (or at least Charlotte is) - Another distinct possibility given the all too convenient placement of Charlotte’s bullet proof vest and Ben’s thorough knowledge of who she was. And how about the DHARMA Polar Bear fossil? More theories on that?
Michael Abaddon is EVIL: So, now we know that Naomi was hired by Abaddon as the mercenary to lead all the misfits we met this week - but this episode takes me back to the conversation between The Dark Destroyer and Hurley from last week, when he asked “Are they still alive?” I initially thought he was referring to other survivors of Flight 815, but perhaps he was asking about his crew. I think it is becoming increasingly likely that the Oceanic 6 get off the Island without these new characters, given all the info we are getting fed about the helicopter and its inability to carry much weight.
That’s it for now - the only way this episode could have been any better is if Miles would have parachuted directly into Jacob’s cabin!
Comment 1, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
“the only way this episode could have been any better is if Miles would have parachuted directly into Jacob’s cabin!”
That would be awesome !
Comment 2, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
What is this everythingisgoingtochange.com ? Does this have to do with LOST?
Comment 3, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I dont think they want to “help” Ben..
I’m pretty sure they want him dead.
Comment 4, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Todd O wrote:
This is connected to www.godtube.com. Not related to lost in any way that I can see.
Comment 5, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hugo wrote:
How many times have the LOST writers made you lean one way then SMACK they spin you around with an upper cut.
This is the perfect Gotcha,
The four are sent to rescue Ben and Naomi is a spy by Dharma who is trying to kill BEN. So his fear is real but for Naomi NOT the four rescuers, who wont reveal their objective till back up arrives aka the Natives of the island.
Comment 6, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I dunno, it seems like Miles doesn’t care too much for Ben, and once Charlotte’s cover was blown she didn’t look to happy with Ben either. I am gonna go with Ben is not in with the freight crew for now.
It was nice to get some more of the increasingly sinister Abaddon. It may be possible that we are gonna see a lead up to Christian Shepard and Matthew Abaddon. Just my crazy two cents.
I was very pleased with this episode. It was nice to be introduced to the characters properly. Previous seasons would have dragged out their introductions for a while, but this season just crammed it into one episode and I loved it.
We know one key point about each member of the time and we seemingly know why they are here. Far more information than I anticipated receiving so soon.
Agreed that Michael is Ben’s man on the ship.
Comment 7, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Ok, My last post was to a theory and I asked if Ben was the serpant.
Complete turn around. We’re going to find out in some weird twist that Ben is the good guy and the 6 leave the island promising to protect it, and Ben’s secretes.
Thoughts???
Comment 8, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
First - Who says that we have any sense of who is Ben’s Freigher BoyToy? It may be someone new - I keep hearing Minkowski - I’ve rewatched it three times now and that name keeps popping-up, but I can’t a face to it.
B. I agreee with the “this episode rocked” assessment by Will, and the quick, vital intro of the newbies, but I don’t think Ben hates the the newbies. I think he fears and is intimidated by them. He knows what they can bring - and they are bringing it.
3. I think most of the new folks will either die or wiind-up staying on the island, to restore the Dharmite Way, revenge following the purge.
Comment 9, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
if Ben, then Locke, and now Hurely have a connection to the Island… and/or Jacob, why the “I shoulda gone w/ you, Doc”?
OK, so that may have been said already…
but what is **confusing** me is this. Jack wants off and Locke doesn’t. Future Hurely wants to go back.
but but but… he went w/ the right guy to stay on the Island and if he went with Jack earlier how’d that have been better? wouldn’t he still be off the Island???
It will be interesting to find out if there will be another Flash Fwd and we see Kate wanting to go back.
Also, i’m afraid that the circumstances that allow the 6 (give or take a few non Oceanic 815ers and/or non celebrity extras) to leave will not be … happy. grrr.
As for a good / evil guess… after reading a ton of things and trying to wrap my head around how much Ben knows and how much physical punishment he take (and willinging!) and “We’re the good guys!” (pay no attention to the kidnapping and murdering) …
i’m gonna go out on a limb and say that Penny is the one true Good person! Please, please don’t be evil, Penny! ;o)
namaste & 42
Comment 10, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
i was actually thinking that these newcomers to the island were dharma. they’re coming to kill/get ben because he killed all of their crew.
Comment 11, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
How come everyone is thinking that Michael is the man on their boat? I’ve followed everything but this…
Comment 12, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Have you notice at the beginning of the show the tv is showing the images of the plane under water, but didn’t the plane crash on the island and especially the pilot cabin was found on a tree or at least his body.. I think I remember from the first season.. did anyone found that strange?
Comment 13, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
hello!
a couple things, well 6 things:
1) I love the idea that the “rescuers” were suposed to be on the plane and that’s why they’re all so shooken up about it.
2) Ben’s picture is in an all white room, he’s next to a white computer, he’s wearing a white vest with a striped shirt. I think he’s in one of the hatches or someother dharma related place.
3) How come everyone reacted different to the losties? Naomi was shocked as she thought there were no survivors. Minkowski didn’t seem very surprised there were survivors (could he be ben’s person on the freighter? i think it’s this guy or michael or george - or is minkowski george?-, or could it be michael under a different name?). Daniel is there to rescue them (suposedly). Miles is sarcastic about it being them and doesn’t believe Jack and Kate. Charlote is in awe that it’s the 815ers. Mr. Pilot Man (forgot his name) knows the name of everyone who was on the flight, so trusts them (’cept Juliet since she’s a native). Soo, I know Naomi was told there were no survivors of 815 as I’m sure the others were, and that the other rescuers were told there were survivors of 815 (or were they?) and why wasn’t Minkowski shocked or skeptical??????????
4) I don’t think they want to help Ben, but it would be an AWESOME twist if they did! But I think they’re there to get him because of the purge or something else dharma related. But i still would NOT be surprised if they’re going to help Ben take over the island again and they are some of his people on the freighter that his man recruited.
5) Circus Mom: you are a smart cookie! i love that idea. and it totally fits Ben. jack would probably go along with it as he has gone along with ben before to get off the island. Kate would because she’ll do anything jack does. Hurley would probably so he wouldn’t have to see jacob’s cabin anymore (just a stupid guess on hurley’s reason)….I think that (if you’re theory’s right) Hurley might be sorry he originally went with Locke becasue Locke trys to kill Ben who would then be there way off the island, or because Locke does something to Jack’s group or Locke follows in Ben’s footsteps and has a purge himself of the Losties…
6) And my theory of why they’re lying is that jack and the rest of the O6 aren’t lying for an agency, they’re lying for themselves. cuz something tells me with jack commiting attempted murder, hurley murder, and kate having done what she’s done, they might lie because they believe they have to, not cuz an agency told them to. plus if they had to work with whoever and did some more murderous acts, they’re not gonna wanna talk about that either.
Comment 14, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Dany: yeah you’re right. the pilot was in the plane but then the monster killed him on a tree. and the pilot was wearing a wedding ring! that’s why everybody is talking about what the plane in the water is. an alternate reality? a cover up (i think so)?
Comment 15, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Ben seems to be a lot more interesting this season. I mean, even in the position he’s in (being on a leash XD) he still manages to stay somewhat calm, still tormenting people’s minds and is probably figuring out a way to run.
“A man on their boat.” That sentence has been making me think for such a long time. Why would they need 4 people in a helicopter to get Ben if it can’t even support 4 people? Much less another person. Are reinforcements coming? Gah! This is such an awesome show! XD
Comment 16, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
In response to Dany, we all know that Oceanic 815 crashed on the island in two sections, but the real world has no idea. For whatever reason, Oceanic wants everyone to believe that it crashed in the ocean and everyone died. I think this is a huge cover up and somehow Abaddon is at the helm.
Interesting to note that the pilot of the helicopter recognized that the pilot they were showing in the underwater wreckage was not wearing a wedding ring and thus could not have been the same guy.
He then calls Oceanic and then somehow ends up being the pilot of the rescue mission???? Did Oceanic do this keep him from talking? My mind hurts.
Comment 17, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I am so dense some times. Miles off-handedly saying “I’m a soil sampler”. Of course he is! Like a census taker walks around talking to the and “sampling the population” (living), Miles walks around talking to the dead. You know the ones in the ground… 6 feet under… in the soil. A bit of dark humor for sure. It hit me waking-up today.
Comment 18, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Sorry for the complete change of subject, but I feel this is just as important to Lost as what happened in this last episode (Amazing, btw).
I heard a couple of reports the last few days that the writer’s strike is being settled this weekend, and that the writers may be back to work as early as Monday. If this is true, is it early enough for us to get our full season of Lost? I don’t think I can take only four more episodes.
Comment 19, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
My assumption so far regarding the polar bear is that he was is a modern day polar bear that was teleported/sent - through time to the distant past by DHARMA, and NOT that the DHARMA Project is ancient.
The weirdest thing for me - and I haven’t heard much talk about this - so maybe other people don’t think it’s weird - was the apparent willingness of Kate to surrender Locke and his camp. I just didn’t get it. She was happily leaking information all the time. When Faraday asks if they’re all at the beach she says “MOST” of them are - clearly indicating that there are others - Locke’s group. I find this disturbing since she is clearly aware that the others DO NOT WANT to be found by these particular ’saviors’. She did it again when she was happy to give Miles information to the effect that it was John Locke who killed Naomi.
I just don’t get what the hell Kate is thinking - I don’t get it at all…
Comment 20, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Marry Me Kate wrote:
Good news, we have six more!
Eight total are complete for Season 4. I think they do have time, even if they wait another few weeks, to get the last eight written.
The goal was to have 16 “consecutive” episodes this year. February and May are sweeps month where they make all of their money with advertisers - via ratings.
My thought is if they don’t go 16 consecutive then they can have a little break at the end of March and the beginning April and air reruns from the first eight shows, until episode #9 catches-up. The will still catch May sweeps, but may run into June.
Do we care? NOPE. We’ll take LOST whenever we get LOST. I am sure all the networks will jockey schedules throughout the summer, as shows start to go back into production.
Remember, the LOST producers are also LOST writers, so they had to lay down pens… but the last eight shows were already outlined AND who knows? 9, 10, 11 may have been 90% complete before the strike and only need a day or two to get it to the cast and crew. Hawaii is a very expensive location to film and have production folks waiting around, they will want to go back into production ASAP, so they can leave before Summer. Summer is when actors get to do movies, as well as filmcrew members.
Comment 21, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hmm…
I just typed up an entry, and it seems to have disappeared - so here are my points again, in brief form:
1. The Polar Bear - I very much believe the polar bear was teleported/sent through time by the DHARMA Project and is NOT the result of some ancient DHARMA thing…
2. Kate - why the hell is she happily volunteering information about Locke’s group? When asked if the survivors are all on the beach why did she say “MOST” - and therefore reveal the existence of Locke’s group when she KNOWS they don’t want to be found by these ’saviors’? And then again - she’s more than eager to reveal that the ‘man who killed Naomi’ is John Locke. I don’t know what the hell Kate is up to - I was quite surprised by both instances. For a fugitive she’s sure revealing a lot more information that is necessary. Is she PURPOSELY trying to screw over Locke’s group? And if so, why?
Comment 22, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I agree the polar bear must be a dharma experiment that meant to send the bear back in time. Charlotte (CS Lewis) was not only not surprised about the bear being there in the dessert, she was specifically looking for the Dharma tag. Finding it proved that the experiment was a success.
Does this mean she is Dharma, or maybe has found Dharma records and so is trying to prove its existance?
Comment 23, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
watch lost online: yeah, it’s amazing how calm Ben seems even now being on a leash. He still seems in control, calm, tormenting and manipulative as ever.
docH: now that has to be one of the strangest things i think anyone has ever woken up to.
omar kamel: that’s part of the fun of lost. kate used to be this really smart girl. season 3 she started having lots of stupid moments where she just let her mouth say everything she shouldn’t have. and now she’s somewhere in between. maybe this is because she is pregnant, and it’s messing with her head. but if she is actually trying to screw locke’s group and it’s not just her hormones, then maybe she doesn’t want to go back to the island to face the wrath of johnny locke.
Comment 24, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think the team necessary knows everything about each other that we all know. I could be wrong, but they did not seem very cohesive, other than that they wanted to make sure everyone was alive (maybe that was because it was so stressed to ‘get everyone in, everyone out, nobody hurt’ by abbadon). As I tried to mention before, if we are in a consistent timeline, the team has probably had less than two months to prepare, maybe they all have specific missions that the others are unaware of. For example, maybe the Charlotte Dharma connection is why she decided she was willing to sign up, NOT the reason why she was asked to join the team. Just throwing it out there… I feel like it wasn’t a mistake that we were shown such distinctive flashbacks for each person…
Comment 25, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I’ve been thinking about whether Michael could be Ben’s “man on their boat”, and there’s one thing I have a problem with. The Freighter tots are already uber suspicious of everyone on the island. If Michael (and possibly Walt) arrived at their freighter wanting to go home — wouldn’t the tots be even more suspicious of him? I don’t see how they would not search Michael or let him near any of their communication devices. And second, he would have mentioned that he was a survivor of O815, so the tots wouldn’t be surprised that there are other survivors on the island. Also, if a crash survivor arrives at the freighter by dinghy, wouldn’t they wonder where he got it? Any thoughts?
Comment 26, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Ok, so me thinking that the 6 are covering for Ben led me to another idea.
Sawyer is in the coffin. I think it was season 2 when Kate met up with a pregnant “Mark” of Sawyers. I don’t think she told Sawyer she was pregnant and Kate didn’t know who the father was, therefore, her coming into Kates life was to show us that Sawyer had a child.
Didn’t the obit say that the man was survived by a teenage son. That could be Sawyer. The name on the obit also started with a J. James. Do we even know Sawyers real last name?
Comment 27, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom, I think Sawyer’s ‘mark’ did tell him he had a child while he was in prison. A daughter named Clementine. And his name is James Ford, so we do know his last name.
Comment 28, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
There’s been something sticking in my mind and I couldn’t figure out what it was until just now. One of my hypotheses about Lost is that the island somehow messes with time, I think I share that with some other folks on here too. I don’t have any definitive answers yet about it, but hopefully it will all come out over time. What is stuck in my head is this – we see Walt and he is obviously older than when we last saw him. This could point to the whole thing that there is “one” time on the island, and another in the outside world. I’m wondering if there are other things on Lost that I’ve missed that support this theory. Here’s the catch, when we saw Penny on the screen in the Looking Glass, she looked the same. If time were really slower on the island, wouldn’t Penny be older?
Comment 29, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I just found strange the fact that the metal box that fell off the chopper had gas masks and bio-hazard bags. didn’t Ben along with Alpert and his goons take out the old Dharma lot with gas?
just a thought…
Comment 30, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Courtney wrote:
Ford, of course you’re right. Don’t know how I forgot.
My memory on seasons 1-3 is spotty so you are probably correct about the daughter too. It dose sort of ring a bell.
Comment 31, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
To everyone who has been saying that Ben has been taking a lot of abuse, the fact is he asks for it almost every time. He annoys and pushes people until they start pounding on him; it’s as if he wants to get beat up.
Comment 32, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Here are some additional questions:
1. Why did Locke need to go to the cabin before going to the barracks? This one has me stumped for now.
2. Wasn’t everyone surprised that Hugo knew of the cabin? Ben looked pissed but I thought I saw John crack a smile.
3. How did Sawyer know that the cabin was a shack? I don’t generally think of a cabin as being a shack so perhaps this is a subtle clue.
4. How can Michael be working for Ben? Didn’t Ben only reluctantly let him leave so he could prove he was keeing his word? I am betting that Michael will contact one or more of the O6 in LA. But perhaps the freighter helped him back to the real world.
5. Curious that Sawyer called Ben “Yoda” and especially after seeing Ben with his walking stick tapping Locke’s arm the night he demanded that Locke kill his father in S3. Yoda was a wise jedi master, a trainer of the highest order. Maybe we get a different perspective of Ben this season and Sawyer’s line was a little foreshadowing.
6. There were several scenes that seemed to mirror S1 and in keeping with the theme that we are now on the other side of the looking glass:
-Locke looking up at the rain
-Sayid and Juliet shooting at Miles and Daniel in Other-like silence and form (Our Losties are becoming the Others - they just do not realize it yet.)
-Jack, Kate, Miles, Daniel, Sayid & Juliet walking to find Frank across the rolling hills
I got goosebumps when I saw the bear in the dig….yet another time/space reference. I cannot wait to see how it all fits.
Absolutely awesome episode and loaded with hints and easter eggs! I am betting we will not even vet everything before Thursday arrives with the next installment!
Comment 33, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Regarding John Locke’s question above about time off the island and Penny’s not looking that old. Perhaps the time on the island is slower but not by generations, maybe only a few years. Ben has certainly aged from being a child. (Although Richard Alpert seems to be an anomaly and does not age at all.) It is possible that the writers’ nods to C. S. Lewis imply the island is a wardrobe of sorts. It is difficult to tell what time period Charlie was viewing when he saw Penny at TLG.
Comment 34, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I just went back and watched the first 2 eps of S3. How did Locke know that Charlie died? And did it seem to anyone else like the cabin was in the opposite direction each time Hurley was trying to convince himself it wasn’t real? Hrm…
Comment 35, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Oops, I meant S4.
Comment 36, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Oops I meant S4.
Comment 37, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
anybody notice the picture miles was showing juliette when they found out she was not on the plane? I’m talking about the picture of BEN. Look familiar to anyone? Allow me to share a theory—
When John Locke was in his “sweat lodge”, during the vision in which Boone was wheeling him in his wheelchair around the airport, we saw Hurley working as a TSA agent, and WE SAW BEN WALKING THROUGH AIRPORT SECURTIY.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember Ben turning around while walking through the metal detector. At this moment the photo (which Miles is holding) was taken.
Think about it.
Comment 38, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Okay, so both me and LostChicka have noticed that Kate’s attitude was a bit weird this episode…
Anybody else find that strange or come up with an explanation for why Kate would be trying to screw over Locke or Locke’s group?
The hormone explanation doesn’t do it for me, although it is novel to see it come from a woman for a change :)
Only semi-rational explanations I’ve considered are:
1. She’s pissed off at Sawyer for leaving and wants to a) screw him over and / or b) have them bring him back.
2. She’s desperate to get off the island and thinks Locke must be captured in order to prevent him sabotaging the escape and she wants some 2nd hand revenge for his killing Naomi - which she thinks might’ve stopped them getting off the island.
3. She’s trying to create a diversion so that she’s not the ‘hunted fugitive’ anymore, a crazy, homocidal nut called ‘John Locke’ is…and hopes that this’ll create enough of a distraction that if/when she returns to safety she’ll have time to disappear.
4. She’s secretly allied to somebody. Possibly Ben. I’ve briefly considered this before, and it always sounds far-fetched, but well, there, it’s been said.
And no, I don’t think Michael is Ben’s man on the boat.
Comment 39, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
marvin wrote:
Intersting. But I am fairly certain that scene in which you are ref. was a dream.
Comment 40, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Just my 2 cents.
-Daniel the physist made the comment that the way the light is spread isn’t correct, it doesn’t follow the normal law of phyics. This is starting to make me wonder if the island is nothing more than a bio-dome structure somewhere in antarctica(see end of season 2).
-I think the Dharma initiative has been around for a long time, the polar bear was in Tunisa because they might have had an operation there a long time ago. I think the Dharma initiative has been around for a long time than previously thought.
-Did anyone notice that the vacuum the ghost hunter had had the symbol of the hyrdra, I think Miles is a evil character based on this greed trying to get rid of the ghost for the mother. I think the new arrivals want to kill ben for gassing the original others. The Dharma project is trying to close any loose ends.
-One interesting part that i noticed was when Locke mentioned the black smoke, I think allot of what some of the survivors are seeing is pigments of their imagination, the black smoke really represents that death is close by, and if you have faith and a strong belief in something then it can’t harm you. This could also explain why Locke can walk.
-The island is starting to remind me of that Eagles song ‘Hotel California’, especially that line ‘you can check in at any time, but you can never check out’.
Comment 41, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Another big question which I’ve yet to read any comments on…I might’ve missed it if somebody’s already mentioned it is Faraday. Why, when asked by his wife/gf, etc - why he’s so upset while watching the footage - he says he doesn’t know.
I.e. - He is more upset than he should be - and yet - he actually doesnt’ seem to know why. This implies there’s a relationship between him and the plane/island or somebody on the flight that even he does not know about - or that he’s already been involved with any of those and yet has NO conscious RECOLLECTION of it.
Comment 42, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
deangoodes wrote:
Absolutely Ben is asking for it. It’s how he learns more about this “marks”. As he pushes them to the brink, he gains knowledge of what he needs to say to manipulate them for his benefit.
Comment 43, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Julie wrote:
Going by memory here…but didn’t Locke get the info from Hurley after the cabin scene…assume it was part of the talk we didn’t see?
Comment 44, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
The ghost busting guy - is for me - and I’m reserving final judgement for a while - but well - doesn’t immediately strike me as a great idea. I was worried when we first saw Jacob that the story was going to start involving supernatural (as opposed to simply science-fictional) elements - and (unfortunately for me) - the presence of ghost-busting dude more or less confirms that choice.
I just an innate aversion to supernatural explanations - basically cause it’s a pandora’s box of random explanatory power. At least with science-fiction elements - things still have to MAKE SENSE. Once you’ve made ghosts an active agent in a drama, well, you can pretty much make anything happen anywhere…
But ghost-busting dude + Hurley’s fellow patient at the institute BOTH imply that we’re about to witness some ghostly super-natural type explanations - and ungh..
Oh, well.
Again, I’m trying REALLY hard to reserve judgement on this angle until we see where exactly it’s going…
But ..
ARGH!
Comment 45, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I think the ghost whisperer is an awesome twist. It makes it possible that Hurley isn’t coo coo or has an overactive imagination. Also there is an age old theory that people who see dead people are crazy, but that people who can’t talk to the dead think they are crazy…then the person believes it themselves. Soooo, is it possible that D&C are toying with that? Locke has heard Jacob, Hurley-Charlie, Locke-Walt (we have assumed that Walt is alive.s.is he? Locke said Walt told him what to do, but where did he go?)
Comment 46, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Omar Kamel wrote:
Yes there is a much more simply theory…she and Jack have decided they want off the island. She doesn’t want them to kill her and Jack for the death of Naomi…so telling them that Locke is the one they want helps here cause.
Comment 47, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Omar Kamel wrote:
I’ll stab at this one. Remember when Dez went back in time and saw Charlie on the street corner? Time travel of sorts. He probabally dies a horrible death on the island.
Comment 48, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Another thought Omar. Instead of thinking of it as talking to ghosts, I think its more of talking to different times or alternate realities. I use Charlie’s comment “yes I’m dead, but I am also here.” What the hell does that mean? When Hurley’s mind is relaxed and open, he sees things. But he can shut it off, like an ability more than a mental defect.
Comment 49, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Not sure how to quote - but Hammer said:
“Yes there is a much more simply theory…she and Jack have decided they want off the island. She doesn’t want them to kill her and Jack for the death of Naomi…so telling them that Locke is the one they want helps here cause.”
Well, kind of - but it’s not enough of an explanation for me - two reasons:
1. Kate’s a fugitive, and we know she can tell a lie. Why not just come up with something?
2. EVEN considering that, later on, she had reason to suspect that ghost-buster/whisperer dude could tell if she were lying - that STILL doesn’t explain why, in answer to Faraday’s question, she used the word ‘MOST’ - clearly telling him that there are others on the island.
So - ?
Comment 50, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
My post 45 is confusing since I have a major typo. I meant to say the theory is that people who communicate with the dead are NOT crazy, be we and they just think they are.
We used to be able to edit our posts.
Comment 51, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer :)
Well, the change in viewpoint sort of, slightly, yes - makes it easier to take but it still provides pretty loose anything-goes drama…
Also - well, if it takes them dying to get to whatever alternate universe we’re discussing, then they’re ipso-facto-ish ‘ghosts’, no?
Comment 52, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
I fully agree, however, with the notion that perceiving it/them could be an ability of Hurley’s and not a disability.
Comment 53, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Omar Kamel wrote:
I hear ya, just humbly disagree that it was anything more than small talk with her perceived saviors. I also think that at this point in Kate’s mind, jail at home is better than the crap happening to her on the island. Remember, in ep. 1, she was expressed disbeleif/joy to Jack that there were really going to get to go home.
Comment 54, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Just saw the ‘quote and reply’ link. Apologies.
Comment 55, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Omar Kamel wrote:
Yes. Still ghosts. But they wouldn’t be able to just right off facts to it in the sense of normal Hollywood ghost stories as it your fear. IF I am correct, it would still be a sci-fi type connection because remember, the basis of the story is DHARMA trying to find a way to stop the end of human existence and the island they chose to use for research has mystical powers, it’s not just pergatory.
Comment 56, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Hmm - then I credited Kate with too little paranoia? It’s possible - but considering her fugitive past, the habit of lying to strangers that it gave her, the knowledge that Locke was willing to kill somebody because he suspected the motives of their supposed saviors, the fact that a dying Charlie sent a warning to them saying that their saviors were not who they claimed to be, and her clear knowledge that a whole group of people, including Sawyer, have gone with Locke, for the express purpose of NOT being found…
In my mind, all that outweighs any potential slacky-relief she could’ve felt towards an impending escape from the island.
Comment 57, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
Omar, again I see your point. But look at the big picture. She chose to with Jack to get rescued despite all of those points…I could see your point better if she had separated from both Jack and Locke and went Russeau on us, but she didn’t she chose to try get off the island, hence her comments to the chopper folks. She didn’t need to come up with a lie save her own but this time, she chose Jack and his opinion that Locke is an enemy, just like Rose and Bernard chose to stay away from Locke but don’t want to be rescued.
Comment 58, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
‘too MUCH paranoia?’ - I meant to say.
Comment 59, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
BTW, we have a very important piece of info to confirm my point(lol), we know that Kate eventually chooses to be rescued via the flash forward from S3 final ep. Therefore, I am correct. ;) LOL.
Comment 60, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
*Laughs*
Yes, but er…
Why give up Locke and the others? I’m serious - I was thinking of all that stuff and then I see her say ‘MOST’?!
MOST!?
I’m like, shut the @*#! up Kate!
Then I’m like…why would she say that?
Comment 61, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago - Quote and reply
You may be on to something the “most” comment. I just saw it as she and Jack really think that these people are here to rescue them AND Locke and the rest are in effect traitors to she and Jack.
Comment 62, posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago -