Cabin Fever
1 year, 1 month ago by WillRead more: Locke, Lost Episodes, season 4
Spoiler Warning
Locke, Hurley and Ben continue their quest for Jacob’s cabin tonight – and we will be introduced to a new character as they draw closer. Also, we’ll see what Michael has been up to since Sayid handed him over to the psychotic Freighter people.
ABC’s Official Show Description
“Locke is enlightened as to the whereabouts of Jacob’s cabin, and life aboard the freighter becomes perilous.”
Tonight’s episode is a Locke-centric flashback, and I have to think this will be one of the better episodes of the season. On the surface it definitely seems to be the most intriguing – we’ve been waiting forever for someone to go back to Jacob’s cabin and for some reason Hurley seems to be the key to that at this point – perhaps he is the most “in sync” with the Island now? Further, based on the show description it does not look like the situation on the freighter is getting any better.
Episode Preview
As always, a few early peeks: Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3 | Sneak Peek 4
Comment 1, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I wonder who the new character is?
Comment 2, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Oh wow, what a wonderful treat. Usually on Thursdays, I spend the day looking at the clock just WAITING for 10pm. Today, I plum forgot it was Thursday and got a happy surprise when I realized.
Hi. My name is PJ, and I am a Lostaholic.
*everyone in unison* “Hi PJ!”
*sigh*
: ) P
Comment 3, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Can we talk about the new guy in the preview above?
Comment 4, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Wow! Another great episode coming up! Can’t wait, as usual. (HI PJ!!)
Comment 5, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
My comment is only on the production, not the story line. The freighter is actually a “work boat” or offshore oil rig supply vessel. It does not have a proper heliport for landing helicopters. The vertical obstructions are well within the diameter of the helicopter blades. I actually witnessed a chopper that accidentally landed on the back of such a vessel. It was hovering over the end of the boat, got one skid hung between some pallets of chemicals, had to put it down unevenly, and the rotor hit the port gunwale and sheared off. Fortunately, no one was hurt.
Anyway, I will willingly suspend disbelief, and look forward to tonight’s episode.
Cheers
Comment 6, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hmmmm…..Cabin Fever…could this be a Jacob cabin…a ship cabin…? Oh the possibilities!
Comment 7, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Maybe we will get more info on the elusive Jacob tonight? To me, Jacob = Cabin. The cabin has always creeped me out though. Yikes!
I was just getting ready for the LA meeting when I realized it won’t start until 9:00 tonight. See you all there!
Comment 8, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Lins wrote:
Wasn’t it also a movie a couple years back?
Comment 9, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost4ever wrote:
Wasn’t it also a movie a couple years back?
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I don’t remember…but now that I think about it…this is LOST…so it’s probably a cabin we’ve never seen or thought of and someone probably gets sick (”fever”) that we wouldn’t have thought of…and we’ll probably have a million more questions about it in the morning :)
Comment 10, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Hi, my name is Lost Chicka I’m a lostaholic and I also suffer from cabin fever.
*everyone in unison* “Hi LC!” :)
Comment 11, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Lins wrote:
Wasn’t it also a movie a couple years back?
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I don’t remember…but now that I think about it…this is LOST…so it’s probably a cabin we’ve never seen or thought of and someone probably gets sick (”fever”) that we wouldn’t have thought of…and we’ll probably have a million more questions about it in the morning :)
Yeah it was a movie about a bunch of teenagers that drank some water and their insides started coming out. There was this one part where it was sorta…xxx…guy had fingers in bad spot and blood was everywhere. It was like acid on their bodies and they puked blood. Really nasty movie but very stupid. Most likely has nothing to do with this episode.
Comment 12, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
tasha wrote:
Wasn’t it also a movie a couple years back?
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I don’t remember…but now that I think about it…this is LOST…so it’s probably a cabin we’ve never seen or thought of and someone probably gets sick (”fever”) that we wouldn’t have thought of…and we’ll probably have a million more questions about it in the morning :)
Yeah it was a movie about a bunch of teenagers that drank some water and their insides started coming out. There was this one part where it was sorta…xxx…guy had fingers in bad spot and blood was everywhere. It was like acid on their bodies and they puked blood. Really nasty movie but very stupid. Most likely has nothing to do with this episode.
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Wow…yeah…let’s hope that’s not what this ep is about :)
Comment 13, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Michael wrote:
If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.
Comment 14, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.
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Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?
Comment 15, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.
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Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?
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And Danielle miraculously survived? Her story don’t mesh….do it?
Comment 16, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer, what are you doing on here? The Red Wings are playing!!
Comment 17, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
CAG wrote:
Multi-tasking. :)
Comment 18, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Okay, this is totally off-topic, but I figure it’s fair, since the episode doesn’t start for another 85 minutes…
It took me almost the whole first season to stop thinking of Jack as Charlie (because Matthew Fox was Charlie on “Party of Five”). And now, with Bernard playing a central role again, I still see Mr. DeWitt, the principal on “Growing Pains!” There are others, but they didn’t stand out so much. It makes me happy that I didn’t see the Lord of the Rings movies and that most of the other people were unknowns or on shows I didn’t watch!
Okay, back to your regularly schedule “whisper”ing.
: ) P
Comment 19, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Watching the Scrubs series finale on NBC and I could swear they just did a shout-out to Lost…Dr. Cox is telling Jack a bedtime story including all of the characters from Scrubs and Elliot has a problem with a patient/her handmaiden who is being plagued by a monster that looked like an animated smoke monster…so funny!
Comment 20, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
For all those that can’t wait to start figuring out the episode tonight here is an edjimicated tease by Jeff Jensen (4 pages) at
ew.com/ew/article/0,,20198515,...
AND the insider scoop at
hawaiiweblog.com/2008/04/04/lo...
no thoughts until the show aires. hint: read the second link first… see you in another life brotha… after the Stars win.
Comment 21, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
You haven’t seen LOR?! May I suggest during the next Lost hiatus…..you need to get the DVDs.
Comment 22, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
what is the LA meetings that are always talked about right before the show?
Comment 23, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Found a live chat about lost: http://backnoise.com?lost
Comment 24, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
@lostfreak I think that’s what you were talking about.
Comment 25, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lostfreak wrote:
Just a running joke: LAA = Lost Aholics Anonymous. :)
Comment 26, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DOH! Good one!
Comment 27, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.
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Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?
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And Danielle miraculously survived? Her story don’t mesh….do it?
yes, and what happened to her the world may never know. i’m SOOOO upset still that she NEVER got a flashback OR flashforward!
Comment 28, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Rita wrote:
If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.
**********************
Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?
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Spoiler warning!!!!! I’m not sure
Horace may have been one of the few in the Darma group that sided with the others and died later. OR…..Dead time, undead time and living time are different. Either way, Horace’s nose was bleading like Minkowski’s did before he died. Maiby his undead subcouncious is time traveling to his other undead or really dead body?
2 hours ten minutes here in San Diego.
Comment 29, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
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Not sure about the rest of your post, but Horace died in the purge, Ben walked up on him at the compound while he was dead on a bench and closed his eye lids for him.
Comment 30, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Just a running joke: LAA = Lost Aholics Anonymous. :)
there really is LAA meetings, but its kinda like fight club…underground or on some island in the seychelles. im going to greece next month, n u all kno what the greek are famous for.=)
Comment 31, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
3 minutes in New York. I will be livid if in 2010 when Lost wraps, they don’t explain everything.
Comment 32, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
1 more minute I think!!!!!
Comment 33, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Wings win with 38 seconds to spare!!! Sorry DocH.
Comment 34, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
It’s on
Comment 35, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
michaels gonna die!!!!!!
Comment 36, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
This is way too much to take in! LOL
Comment 37, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
There’s going to have to be an 8th season (or a mini-series).
Comment 38, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
That’s it, I want to know how many toes Alpert has.
Comment 39, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
WAIT! John’s mother’s name is Emily? Isn’t that BEN’s mother’s name? Could they be half brothers?
ACK!
: ) P
Comment 40, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I’m confused…I thought the Dr was dead?!?! I thought he floated to shore and Jack and them found him?
Comment 41, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
tasha wrote:
You missed the morse code coming across too! Time…….
Comment 42, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Whisperers have arrived?
Comment 43, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I KNEW it! I knew Christian was in there all along! I didn’t expect Claire!
AND where the hell did Syid go? Surely he would have gotten to the island before the Dr floated to it!
Comment 44, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
who’s the creepy guy that “interviewed” john as a kid? he was also part of the DI … when John caught those people growing mj in the tents … remember?
Comment 45, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
and the black guy … what did he say to john? (let the dog out and missed the dialogue) he’s the same guy that visited hurley in the nut house
Comment 46, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
MOVE the island? Claire and CS? Seems like a lot of you were on the right track!
: ) P
Comment 47, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Now we know why Ben was able to tell Widmore he’ll never find the island…it gets moved…again.
Comment 48, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
the nosebleed means you’re going to die … remember des… but he had a constant…so he lived
Comment 49, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Woohoo! Richard Alpert is back! I actually cheered when I saw him. Thank God “Cane” was cancelled!
Funniest line - Hurley saying “Mallomars” when Locke woke him up early in the episode.
Comment 50, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
The “creepy guy” was Richard Alpert.
lostpedia.com/wiki/Alpert
The “black guy” was Abaddon.
lostpedia.com/wiki/Abaddon
What he told Locke was to go on a walk-about, to see what he was made of. He put Locke in Australia!
: ) P
Comment 51, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I just finshed watching tonight and I want to know who to curse out! I’m done, the magic is gone! I’m going to get season 1 on DVD and call it a day!
Comment 52, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
It seems like Richard hasn’t aged from the 50’s till we saw him again luring Juliet to the Island. What a crazy beginning.
Comment 53, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Not sure I fully understand Abbaddon’s role. Being that he hired Naomi, Faraday, etc, I assumed he was in cahoots with Widmore. But in this episode it seems he was was working on behalf of the island, on the same team that Jacob, Alpert and Ben are on; by giving Locke the idea of an Australian walkabout, he essentially guaranteed Locke would make it to the island.
Comment 54, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
i almost screamed, instead i just focused in on his guyliner…so locke’s been chosen his whole life and has kept on failing??? both groups have been trying to get him??? (YAAAAH!! ALPERT”S BACK!!!!) and christian isn’t jacob he just speaks for him! oooh!!! claire’s alive right? she seemed just to nonchalant about aaron being right where he needed to be.
Comment 55, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Honey wrote:
Really?! I thought it was fascinating. Moved the story line along and exposed a little more of the mythology, while still raising about 42 new questions.
Comment 56, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
It was interesting to see Claire completely at peace - it reminded me of how Cindy seemed so comfortable when we saw her with the Others. What is it that caused both of these characters to become so happy with these strangers?
Comment 57, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Sorry about the downtime. We are working on it.
Comment 58, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Honey wrote:
LOL honey
Comment 59, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Another funny line:
“Destiny, John, is a fickle bitch.”
Toeknee wrote:
There are always a few dissenters, Toeknee. Last week, it was Omar. Tonight, Honey. I am trying to accept that not everyone loves LOST like we do!
: ) P
Comment 60, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Great turns and twists as usual. Time, Place, Life or Death are never certain. Einstein would have a field day with theorizing about the island.
Comment 61, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Yeah, I’m struggling with that too, but I’m glad they are kind of confirming that at least some of these folks were guided onto the island via the plane.
Comment 62, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Honey wrote:
No, no, I totally disagree. Really juicy ep. We learned:
- Alpert is either a time traveler or ageless. (Q: Why was he so pissed that Little John chose the knife? Had he just stuck with the sand and the compass, would Alpert have taken him to the island right then?)
- Abaddon is much more integral to the story than just as Widmore’s supposed point man. He’s the reason Locke took the trip to Australia in the first place. And like Alpert, he doesn’t seem to have aged. (Perhaps Widmore has a time travel machine in another part of his mansion?)
- We will be seeing Abaddon again when he comes to collect on the favor John now owes him.
- Clare seems like she’s really dead. (Was anyone else REALLY scared when John went into Jacob’s cabin? I thought the appearance of Christian was a bit anti-climatic, since that’s been a theory — though I have no idea how he fits in with Jacob. But then seeing Claire there looking so serene gave me the heebie jeebies. No way she’s still alive and so calm that Aaron isn’t with her.
- Michael STILL can’t be killed. Keemy’s gun worked fine when it wasn’t pointed at Michael!
- The captain of the ship isn’t really in charge. And wasn’t really a bad guy. And now, of course, he’s fish food.
- Keemy IS a bad guy.
- Time difference between the boat (DR alive) and the island (DR dead) = COOL! (But it was a good point brought up earlier… in that case, how come Sayid didn’t arrive before the DR’s body washed up?
- Frank still a cool guy. Correct me if I’m wrong though, but he dropped the sat phone so that Jack & Co. could stay AWAY from Keemy & Co. Guess Jack doesn’t know this yet.
Really liked the ep!
Comment 63, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
they must put ‘em all on drugs….:P
Comment 64, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Circus Mom wrote:
If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.
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Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?
+++++++++++++
Spoiler warning!!!!! I’m not sure
Horace may have been one of the few in the Darma group that sided with the others and died later. OR…..Dead time, undead time and living time are different. Either way, Horace’s nose was bleading like Minkowski’s did before he died. Maiby his undead subcouncious is time traveling to his other undead or really dead body?
2 hours ten minutes here in San Diego.
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Taken from Lostpedia…
“Roger helped Emily and the baby to the side of a highway and flagged down Horace and Olivia Goodspeed for assistance. Before the Goodspeeds could drive the Linus family to the hospital, Emily died.”
lostpedia.com/wiki/Ben%27s_mot...
I think it’s very possible that Emily Linus is both John and Ben’s mother.
Comment 65, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Seriously, that episode kicked ass, how could you not have liked it.
“Fate is a Fikel Bitch” That was awesome.
Comment 66, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I think someone mentioned it on this blog…and I’m starting to agree that Locke and Jacob may be on in the same. The time lines seem to be on a collision course as DocH once pointed out and that may explain why CS had to speak for Jacob?
Comment 67, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Great episode.
First, Claire looks like she could take Hurley in a ‘Ranch Dressing’ eating contest.
Hurley fuuny was the power bar - share it with Ben scene,
Horace G-S…not bleeding… bleeding… not bleeding… bleeding, etc… seems like he was on a broken replay. (like Leia… help me Obi-Wan!… help me Obi-Wan!… help me Obi-Wan!, etc…)
Alpert at Locke’s baby care, Alpert at 8 yr old Locke’s house. Alpert trying to recruit H-School musical Locke to Mittelos in Portland. Abbadon trying to recruit wheel chair Locke. Locke’s mom to Emily - Locke’s dad is twice the age of Locke’s mom. hmmmm… Emily hit by a car. Juliet’s ex hit by a bus? Who else.
sKeamy with a “mysterious” detonater attached to his arm. Michael beaten down. Lapidus still an honest agent, Des slinking into the shadows?
One of the best three episodes this season. They are bringing it.
Alpert with young Locke: Knife, Compass, Book of Jesus, bottle of Jacob ‘kitty-litter’, plus what? One more? Why the anger and storming out by Richard?
Comment 68, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Man that might have been the best episode this season, so far, maybee..but it looks like the captain is clearly not in chagre or if he ever was, and keamy is running the operstion…and who is alpert suppose to be, an alien from another planet, and where is he now?… its all to creepy that he has been recruiting john locke from when he was a baby..thats before ben was born, and i think ben was just the alternitive to the island until locke could get there… what is claire doing in the cabin and how she just gonna leave baby aaron like that and not care?…and what is jacks dad doing speaking for jacob?…i hope sayid gets back to the island before keamy does, and…MOVE THE ISLAND, WTF…my theory on vile vortices was right, i think the island can jump into different dimensions, and that explains why alpert has not aged, cause in other dimensions there is no growth and u r in a state of illusion… so does that mean when someone dies from the island they are not really dead but just moved to another dimension?
Comment 69, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Premature kudos to those that said Claire is dead…I’m buying it.
Comment 70, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Baffled by why he was angry about the knife, especially knowing that he ends up being a knife expert?
Comment 71, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I’m trying to make sense of the Jacob-Christian connection too. Did Christian know about the island or know Jacob before he (Christian) “died”? Or was that not the case, but once OA815 crashed on the island, did Jacob/the island somehow take over Christian’s body? I hope the explanation doesn’t turn out to be that by landing on the island, Christian was brought back to life - I’ve been trusting in D&C’s statement that characters who are dead stay dead, and I think it would suck if they play games with what the meaning of “dead” is.
And how does this relate to Yemi and Horace? Yemi appeared to Eko, while Eko was awake. But both Yemi and Horace appeared to Locke, while he was sleeping, and gave him instructions that apparently came from the island/Jacob.
Comment 72, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
LostGrrl wrote:
Maybe the body DIDN’T stay on the heading and Sayid did, or vice-versa?
: ) P
Comment 73, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
hey lostgrrl, ill give u the heebie jeebies.. lol, but for real i think claire is dead also
Comment 74, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Wasn’t the knife that young John Locke chose the same knife that Locke has been using on the island?
Comment 75, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Well, Ben did mention to John that he used to have dreams too. I think it’s just another way of island communicating to the special ones.
Comment 76, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
There was also a comic book. And I thought the other book said “Book of Laws”. I thought Richard was acting like a pissy little so and so, kind of like how my kids act when the don’t get their way.
Comment 77, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
and… the Hurley speech… thru the jungle alone at night? naa… I am gonna stick with you losers. Ben saying that the island wants Locke now, not him. (no ego there). And Jack… what are you doing up? Jack all spry and chipper. Maybe now that the island has hooked-up with Locke (MOF) - our resident MD Jack (MOS) is off the hook and the island has granted him a speedy recovery.
Not much (any) Sawyer, Miles, Daniel or Big Red this week (sad!)
Comment 78, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I took this a support of you theory that the “times” are colliding. Skipping and trying to sync up?
Comment 79, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I dont know about Emily. SHe would have died a long time before Locke met her.
Comment 80, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone else notice that the comic book was in the same series as the one that Walt had with the polar bears in it?
Comment 81, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
RAY wrote:
At this point I’m reluctant to rule anything out (except Charlie still being alive - sorry PJ!), but I don’t think it’s likely that they have the same mother. Ben’s mother died when Ben was born, so that’s like 35 to 40 years ago. But we saw Locke’s mother Emily alive in flashback scenes that occurred within 10 years or so before the crash.
However, I do think it’s intentional that the writers gave their mothers the same name, to show the similarity/connection between Ben and Locke.
Comment 82, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
tasha wrote:
Maybe just a Lost cross…like how D&C’s mothers are both named Sue. :)
Comment 83, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
tasha wrote:
I am not sure who said Emily met Locke. Several of us think that maybe teenage Emily Locke who gave birth to John was the same young adult Locke that gave birth to Ben.
: ) P
Comment 84, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
YES. Thank you. I blanked and have no replay this week. The comic book (A LINDELOF STD.) said “Mystery”… I could not visually scan it fast enough to catch the subtext. It had a luminous man on it. (que?) The map of the ‘cabin’ bears interest. Also, there was a back-pack that was emptied out with lots of ’stuff’ in it… When? Where? Who? (may have clues..)
Comment 85, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
At this point I’m reluctant to rule anything out (except Charlie still being alive - sorry PJ!), but I don’t think it’s likely that they have the same mother. Ben’s mother died when Ben was born, so that’s like 35 to 40 years ago. But we saw Locke’s mother Emily alive in flashback scenes that occurred within 10 years or so before the crash.
However, I do think it’s intentional that the writers gave their mothers the same name, to show the similarity/connection between Ben and Locke.
Just gonna throw this out there….same mother in different time lines? Don’t attack me, I don’t really buy it either.
Comment 86, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Which flashback was that, Toeknee? I don’t think the woman who was at the house when little boy John got the visit from Alpert was John’s mother. I think it was more likely a foster mother or adoptive mother. Emily’s mother talked of adoption when John was an infant, and the mother in the little boy scene had two other similar aged children. I don’t think teenage Emily Locke had two more children very quickly!
: ) P
Comment 87, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
I’ll bet Richard has/had the same conversation with Walt, Ben, what other “special” people?
Comment 88, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
I am not sure who said Emily met Locke. Several of us think that maybe teenage Emily Locke who gave birth to John was the same young adult Locke that gave birth to Ben.
: ) P
well he did meet his mom BEFORE he met his dad.
Comment 89, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
What a crummy episode. I’ve been quite patient with other episodes that make more questions, but this one takes the cake.
They’re turning away casual viewers by episodes like these.
Comment 90, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
abaddon works for widmore and sends locke to australia. Desmond is related to widmore and turns the key that liberates the energy causing the plane to crash. widmore sends Keamy to kill everyone on the island. Lots of Widmore pieces in that episode that does not seem to fit together…yet.
Comment 91, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
WHat is going on here? I think I posted this and its not showing up. Locke met Emily(his mom) before he met his dad. SHe told him he was special and was conceived out of emasculate conception or something.
Comment 92, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I’m gonna try this one more time LOL. Locke met his mom and she told him he was special and was conceived out of emaculate conception.
Comment 93, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Which flashback was that, Toeknee? I don’t think the woman who was at the house when little boy John got the visit from Alpert was John’s mother. I think it was more likely a foster mother or adoptive mother. Emily’s mother talked of adoption when John was an infant, and the mother in the little boy scene had two other similar aged children. I don’t think teenage Emily Locke had two more children very quickly!
: ) P
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I think Toeknee was talking about the FB where Locke’s real mom tells him he was immaculatley concieved. She set him up to meet his real dad for money so he could con Locke out of a kidney.
Comment 94, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Ummm…sorry. It DID show up 3 times now LOL.
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LostGrrl wrote:
I think Alpert wanted John to pick the Book of Laws. They showed Alpert start to smile a little as the kid stared at that book. So I assume that is a book of the island’s laws, written by someone long long ago, and they’re hoping John is the second coming of the book’s author (perhaps Jacob?).
This goes along with Hammer’s comment #66, about John and Jacob being one and the same. And this is similar to what I was taught, growing up Catholic - Jesus was the son of God, but Jesus and God are one being.
So the Lost version is that Jacob is a God-like figure, only making himself visible to those he wants to be visible to. And Jacob uses Christian to transmit messages to the people on the island, just like God used angels to transmit his messages to the people on earth. After decades or even centuries of waiting for the son of Jacob to come to earth, it has finally happened, in the form of John Locke. If Locke and Jacob are one and the same, that book of Laws belongs to Locke.
Comment 96, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Well you see! This is what I get for not having watched any episodes other than the one that is on that week! I had no recollection of that, so sorry.
: ) P
Comment 97, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
i think emily is both locke and bens monther, and i think lockes mother in the show was acctually his grandmother… or maybe your right hammer, alpert is just going back in time and saving people and cris crossing the globe in other dimensions and time traveling with h.g. wells, and got the same cell phone contraption jerry o’connell had on his show “Sliders”, jumping from earth to earth setting up islands around the milky way…sorry, got out of hand…
Comment 98, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
What? Too timid?
Toeknee wrote:
Yes. I don’t disagree. I could not read the title very well here and guessed at BoJ. If you say BoL, then I concur.
Comment 99, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I think Alpert wanted John to pick the Book of Laws. They showed Alpert start to smile a little as the kid stared at that book. So I assume that is a book of the island’s laws, written by someone long long ago, and they’re hoping John is the second coming of the book’s author (perhaps Jacob?).
This goes along with Hammer’s comment #66, about John and Jacob being one and the same. And this is similar to what I was taught, growing up Catholic - Jesus was the son of God, but Jesus and God are one being.
So the Lost version is that Jacob is a God-like figure, only making himself visible to those he wants to be visible to. And Jacob uses Christian to transmit messages to the people on the island, just like God used angels to transmit his messages to the people on earth. After decades or even centuries of waiting for the son of Jacob to come to earth, it has finally happened, in the form of John Locke. If Locke and Jacob are one and the same, that book of Laws belongs to Locke.
Makes sense to me.
Comment 100, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Hmmm. Is it possible since SHE set him up to meet his real dad who ONLY wanted the kidney, that SHE wasn’t really his mother? As I said, I don’t remember the episode details - other than Katey Sagall.
: ) P
Comment 101, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
YES. Thank you. I blanked and have no replay this week. The comic book (A LINDELOF STD.) said “Mystery”… I could not visually scan it fast enough to catch the subtext. It had a luminous man on it. (que?)
Here’s a picture of it:
losteastereggs.blogspot.com/20...
Comment 102, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Hmmm. Is it possible since SHE set him up to meet his real dad who ONLY wanted the kidney, that SHE wasn’t really his mother? As I said, I don’t remember the episode details - other than Katey Sagall.
: ) P
Certainly possible.
Comment 103, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone catch what was hanging in H.S. Musical Locke’s locker that he was shoved in.
Comment 104, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
PJSander wrote:
Hmmm. Is it possible since SHE set him up to meet his real dad who ONLY wanted the kidney, that SHE wasn’t really his mother? As I said, I don’t remember the episode details - other than Katey Sagall.
: ) P
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Hammer’s right - I was talking about this episode:
lostpedia.com/wiki/Deus_Ex_Mac...
I suppose it’s possible that the woman who claimed to be his mother in that episode was lying, but I doubt that’s the case. It would seem like D&C are truly making it up as they go along (and in a very bad way) if they were to announce now that that woman wasn’t really his mother his real mother is Ben’s mother.
Comment 105, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Geronimo Jackson. I remembered that from the Lost puzzles. There was also a picture. Not sure who it was but people are peculating its Christian or Alvar Hanso.
Comment 106, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Whoever said that 8 yr old Locke was in a ‘foster’ type family situation, might be right. We see yonng John playing a board game with older sis and mom walking in the door with two (?) young’ins. That lends to the thought of a foster family. Particularly since ‘mom’ was eager to ship him out to “Richard Alpert School”. Why was Alpert so keen to learn why Locke was “BackGammon” savvy? And why was older sis to Locke such a “fickle bitch’?… slapping the Back Gammon board away from savvy, young John? (I don’t use the beyotch word in my personal life, but Locke’s older sis had it in spades.)
Comment 107, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
tasha wrote:
Geronimo Jackson. I remembered that from the Lost puzzles. There was also a picture. Not sure who it was but people are peculating its Christian or Alvar Hanso.
Thanks.
Comment 108, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Pretty sure that my idea was shot down a few weeks ago by some people and this week only affirmed what I had said…the island is movable or even is always moving, but can move at different points…so all of you, i win
Comment 109, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
alpert’s test with the random things, was it a test for john on how well he separates the present from the future??
Comment 110, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Evan wrote:
Credit where credit is due. Kudos.
Comment 111, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
well don’t worry, his sister dies on the monkey bars or something and a dog shows up that his mom thinks is her…it’s in the ep where sawyer & kate go searching for sawyer’s boar.
Comment 112, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I was hoping the captain would shoot Keemy tonight. Is that his name? Anyhow I was praying. What the heck was on his arm? I didn’t see anything in the comments but am sure it was mentioned…..
Comment 113, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Evan wrote:
cool - you win. (what exactly?) okay, go hit the showers stud. we will call you back in january when we need another winning touchdown. in the mean time we will look back at everything you have prophesized and see how accurate those things are.
also, we read your theory several weeks before you posted it, so - brilliant victory for you.
Comment 114, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
TanziTwo wrote:
cool - you win. (what exactly?) okay, go hit the showers stud. we will call you back in january when we need another winning touchdown. in the mean time we will look back at everything you have prophesized and see how accurate those things are.
also, we read your theory several weeks before you posted it, so - brilliant victory for you.
LMAO
Comment 115, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
loved 8 year old locke’s picture of smokey taking down a man…how did he know about smokey??
what was that on keamy’s arm? an ipod? a guitar tuner?
Comment 116, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Bedtime for Bonzo before the site gets overwhelmed by the West Coasters.
Okay, I have to go lie awake in bed. Bummed out that there is no real confirmation that Claire and Sheppard are dead and therefore no real confirmation that they are Whisperers. Bummed that Horace turned out to be in a dream and therefore no real confirmation that he is a Whisperer(thought the info he gave Ben was accurate and not dream like). But I’m clinging….
Comment 117, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost chicka wrote:
That’s what I’m screaming!
I think maybe it’s checking his pulse. If for some reason his pulse stops, the ship is gonna blow to a zillion pieces!
Comment 118, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
So… in the infamous words of Hammer H. Hammerstein… its’ Bedtime for Gonzo
(Bonzo. I know - famous acting chimp.)
Only three more hours of LOST this season, one hour next week and two hours three weeks from tonight. Que Malo!
Comment 119, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
“emasculate conception”
Ouch
thought that needed repeating
Comment 120, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
docjock wrote:
HAHAHA
Ok so I meant to write emaculate…which I think is immaculate…and my spell check changed it to that? Sorry:(
Comment 121, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
there are just easier ways to get it done…
Comment 122, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
great episode. freaking awesome. a little concerned about the apparent shift of power between locke and linus, but i´m sure it´s just that: apparent. the scene where hugo and ben share the chocolate bar: priceless. what a brilliant cooperation between the two actors. just for that, they should be given a globe award each xD.
Comment 123, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I know we are talking crazy at this point, but could Locke be Jacob??
Maybe Richard wanted him to choose the book of laws to see if he was really HIM (and by choosing the knife he relized he was not ready…)
and btw, I’m also starting to believe that Ben and Locke are relatives…
Comment 124, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
docjock wrote:
Get what done??
Comment 125, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
What a freakie episode tonight. We were on the edge of our seats. First of all, how are they going to move the island? And who is the timeless man from Locke’s childhood; who appeared to Ben as a kid, had long hair with the dharma initiative, and who always seems to be wearing eyeliner?
We have questions!
But did you hear that Steven King is a Lost fan and that he emailed advise to the show’s writers? He told them to decide how they’re story is going to end and to work backwards. Thanks Mr. King (the jacob cabin is definitely Steven King-creepy-stylie) I believe it because suddenly we are getting SOME answers.
So lost geeks, do you find yourself strangely comparing your everyday world to LOST?
Write us back.
Comment 126, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Wow - I’m going to have to watch that one again…catch up on the 200 plus posts that will happen in the mean time and then chime in…but wow…Claire’s dead. And when they first showed CS’s body in the chair, it looked more like a corpse until the light came in and you could see it was him…I thought it was just a dead body. Ok, bed time, even for a West Coaster!
Comment 127, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Well I did notice that the name of the company Locke’s teacher was trying to convince him to check out in Portland was call Mittelos Technology… Mittelos can also spell “Isle O Time” so that has to obviously be the main focus of the island and the research upon it
Comment 128, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
With all the character interactions and path crossings I have suspected and now firmly believe that all the Losties are a sort of “six degrees of separation” type scenario. I kinda thought this from season one but as the seasons go on it just seems to confirm it more and more, hate to throw the Oceanic 6 thing out there but it seems to fit into the degrees of separation.
Comment 129, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
here’s my two cents: great ep!!! i love when this show ventures into creepy tone. i’m a fan of david lynch and i think just establishing and maintaining “genuine creepy” is hard!
my main thought are rambling:
john is a re–occurrance/–incarnation of a leader possibly jacob possibly alovar hanso.
the test was like what the tibetan monks use to find reincarnations.
i think there is going to be a divirgence between what the island’s “monks” (read initial inhabitants) want and what john does. “don’t tell me what i can’t do!” “i am not you ben.”
they have been reliving time over and over these are the whisper’s–i think there was a star trek tng with similar whispers in a time warp.
john may be the island’s constant.
john’s gonna be the neo that stops the war!
Comment 130, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
one last thought. john died at birth. maybe his mom reaklized theat and couldn’t pretend he was alive–she could see it and others could not. maybe the reason charles widmore can’t be killed is that he’s already dead. what if christian has always been dead?
Comment 131, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
“Mittelos Technologies”… Isle O Time Technologies, in Portland
Comment 132, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
wanat wrote:
LOST TIME or TIME LOST
Comment 133, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Locke is taking “control” of the island from Ben, Ben took “control” of the island from Widmore, How did Widmore get it?
Was his mother’s name Emily also? What’s Claire’s name in REAL LIFE?
Wings win, Cavs lose.
Comment 134, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Evan wrote:
Nice call. I dont think the game is over yet though.
Comment 135, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Evan wrote:
Nice call. I dont think the game is over yet though, so how did you win? And how many different places or “points” can it move to? Enlighten me please.
Comment 136, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Questions-
1)What’s up with the name john?
Why was emily stuck on it?
2)Is John’s dad Alpert?
If not how else would he have been able to get to the hospital so quickly?
3)How are they going to torture the island?
4)Is Claire dead?
That could be why she’s hanging out with christian.
5)How is Locke going to move the island?
Comments-
1)the island still won’t let micheal kill himself.
2)horace built the cabin-been dead for 12yrs
WEIRD!!!!
3)Find Horace, Find Jacob
reminds me of heroes. Save the cheerleader save the world.
4)Ben’s freaky
especially when locke wakes up to see him staring at him.
5)Ben used to have dreams.
Why doesn’t he still have them?
6)jOHN DOESN’T REMEMBER aLPERT.
Why not?
7)john drew the smoke monster when he was little.
Why doesn’t he remember that?
8)Black guy from hurley’s flash forward.
That’s why john went to australia.
9)I guess the pilot is helping the losties.
10)John’s the new leader of the island.
Very cool
11)Christian is jacob’s Buddy!?!?!
maybe even jacob himself.
12)BEN+HURLEY+GRANOLA BAR=FUNNY
Comment 137, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lost-on-mars wrote:
Time Travel
Comment 138, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Abbadon is an other in the same sense as Alpert
Widmore clearly has some link to the island thru the Dharma Initiative & Abbadon is working for him in the same manner as Alpert was/is for Ben
Ben “stole” the island from Dharma and therefore from Widmore
Widmore & Ben know that Locke was the chosen one and sent Abbadon & Alpert respectively to locate Locke and “recruit” him
Abbadon “Sent” Locke to Australia to place him on the island in the hope that he would eventually lead the island back to Widmore.
Alperts test showed that he would be more “Widmore” by taking the knife hence why Alpert stated that he wasn’t ready. However, Locke becomes more in tune with the island and therefore is not any use to Widmore
Ben is playing Locke - his speech about “my time is over” is to manipulate Locke and keep him one step ahead of Locke
Comment 139, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Yes, Claire is dead and she is at peace with the “big picture” for Aaron. I also enjoy all of the BIBLICAL names…John, Jacob, Christian Shepard…and the list goes on.
Abaddon is always referred to as a demon and I believe he is the dark side. Wiki the name and it also lists an abaddon as an ancient cave or place that can unlock the mysteries of life. Oh SUCH FUN here!!
Comment 140, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I’ll throw this out there. There’s a longstanding theory (oh, and the producers said it’s so) that somehow this all relates to Adam and Eve.
If we go on the theory that “Emily” is both Locke and Ben’s mother (let’s assume that the ‘mother’ who approached Locke about his father who needed a kidney was paid off by the conman to pretend she was his mother), that would make B & JL brothers (half).
Cain and Abel?????? Cain did kill Abel - Ben did try to kill Locke. And…the thing about backgammon was first addressed in a previous episode where Locke said he liked the game because it was dark versus light. Evil versus good.
Comment 141, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Hmmm. Is it possible since SHE set him up to meet his real dad who ONLY wanted the kidney, that SHE wasn’t really his mother? As I said, I don’t remember the episode details - other than Katey Sagall.
: ) P
Certainly possible.
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YES…who is that man? He looks familiar.
Comment 142, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
There should be no doubt that Ben is manipulating Locke and his whole “the island loves you better” is just a play on Locke’s desire to be loved. He as much said so with his comment to John about getting Hurley to stay.
“He believed it was his idea, John.”
“No, I’m not you.”
“You’re certainly not.”
Locke is played again.
Also - not sure I’d turn my back to Ben next to the Big Dharma Death Pit - AGAIN.
Comment 143, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Wasn’t the knife Alpert presented to young Locke the same one Ben offers him to kill his dad on the island?
Comment 144, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
docjock wrote:
I was thinking the same thing!
But this time, Ben takes out the gun he’s been hiding and shoots Locke AND Hurley. And Hurley would say something like, “Dude. Not cool.”
And THAT’s why Charlie tells Hurley that he’s dead — because Ben killed him in the Death Pit! And THAT’s why Hurley told Jack in the FF that he wished he had gone with Jack and not Locke!
Okay, maybe not.
But seriously, I think Ben is more dangerous when he’s acting so passively as he did in this episode. Just means his brain is working overtime to figure out his next move.
Comment 145, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I was kind of thinking Alpert was hoping Locke wouldn’t choose the knife because aren’t they “supposed” to be passive? “Supposed to” being the key words. I don’t know, I’ve always gotten that vibe, even if they did use force. Like, brains should be your weapon…
#71- I liked the idea of Christian’s body being taken over.
#68 and others- I think I can buy that Ben’s time might be over but of course, you just never know with him so I guess I’m not buying it completely. But it could be that now Locke’s here and he’s the true Chosen One.
It seemed like Horace was in some kind of time-loop. And maybe Sayid went off course which is why he didn’t get there before the doc and the helicopter.
Comment 146, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
First off, I LOVE the idea of Ben and Locke having the same Mom (Emily). That would be crazy!
Secondly, if the island gets moved…than how do the “Oceanic 6″ tell the world where they came from? Do they make up an island…they couldn’t really do that could they because someone would go and try to find it…right?
Comment 147, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
lostfreak wrote:
Actually, I thought Alpert was John’s dad too… as soon as I saw him in the hospital. I have been fixed on the theme of killing one’s father (Ben killed his, Kate killed hers, John did not kill his father, Sawyer killed John’s father for him, which always made me think that maybe John’s father, was Sawyer’s father)… leaving John’s father in question). Or maybe, John’s father is Jacob, and Alpert is just one of the angels that works for Jacob.
Comment 148, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Ok here’s my 2 cents. It seems pretty clear that Locke will be successful in moving the island and that’s why no one will seemingly be able to find it in the upcoming season. I’m not sure if Ben will know of its whereabouts.
I don’t believe Abbadon is an Other, nor am I thinking he doesn’t age. When he is with Locke, it is fairly late in Locke’s life, therefore it is possible the visit occurred (i know we were all thinking Locke was gonna get pushed down those stairs) within 5-10 years before Locke goes to the island.
Also with Alpert, for whatever reason, he knew that Locke was special and therefore they were keeping tabs on him (I agree Alpert could even be his dad, but I’m thinking that whole thought is theatrics and a red herring I think I’m starting to get a feel for when they throw out something for us to chew on til next week’s Pitbull rawhide toy) that’s why he’s able to find him. Just like Ben was able to find Michael.
Hammer what was the big revelation from the Dharma pit scene that you were referencing. When I initially watched it I thought you may be talking about the hole in the skull head (hence my Anothalovaholeinyohead post) as we are to believe that everyone was gassed and not shot in the head?
Incidentally that is why I thought Horace was bleeding from the nose, not necessarily the time conscious travel, but isn’t that what happened when they got gassed? (So glad that was merely a dream).
Comment 149, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
docjock wrote:
Definitely NOT. Just watched “The Brig”. The knife Ben gives John to kill his dad has a hilt and the blade is shaped diferently. Last night’s ep knife has no hilt and is smaller.
Comment 150, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Keys wrote:
Not sure what you mean abt “same series”. Walt’s/Hugo’s comic book was a Green Latern comic, spanish version. Last night’s ep, comic book is an english version of “Mystery Tales”. Nowhere near the same dude.
Comment 151, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Keys wrote:
Not sure what you mean by “same series”. Walt’s/Hugo’s comic was the Green Latern, spanish version. Last night’s ep, comic was english version of “Mystery Tales”. Nowhere near the same, dude.
Thing that was interesting abt last night’s comic was the cover story, “Hidden Land!”
Comment 152, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
The whole aging thing with Albert may not be time travel. Maybe he is just dead. Once someone dies they don’t age anymore. Who knows with time travel” and “undead” people things can go anywhere.
DO you think Aaron may be the chosen one for the next leader? Maybe Claire knows that her son will be back and this is supposed to happen. I remember the episode with Charlie….where Claire seemed like Mary and was holding the baby…or was she with Mary? The white dove flies over. Anyhow it was the episode where Charlie kept thinking the baby was in danger. I need to go back and watch that episode ….but what if Claire was like Mary and Aaron has a bigger purpose, so she has accepted this because its SUPPOSED to happen. This may be why Kate is so overprotective of him. He is gonna turn out to be special too. Like Walt and John.
Comment 153, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Do you mean from the last thread about the preview? If so, my revelation fizzled a bit, but I think it’s still viable. To me, when Locke points at the bodies and says, “we are going to see them”, it is support that the Whisperers are dead folks and Locke & gang will be talking to and “seeing” them soon. I was hoping that it would happen in last night’s episode. But I now think that it will be revealed during the FDW surprise.
Comment 154, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but didnt Abaddon say to Locke something about surviving with only a knife on the walkabout? If I heard that correctly, it’d be another interesting thing about Locke choosing the knife and compass when he was young.
Comment 155, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
macdonsj wrote:
Agree that Abbadon put John on the course to send him to the island. However, I think Abbadon is a double agent. Seemingly loyal to Widmore, but sending John to the island without Widmore knowing and picking the science team that would help the losties.
Comment 156, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
I haven’t looked back yet, but I think Horace was bleeding when he died. Unlike you…I was bummed it was only a dream. But still think the skipping had to do with DocH’s comment about time sync-ing up.
Comment 157, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
macdonsj wrote:
Agree that Abbadon put John on the course to send him to the island. However, I think Abbadon is a double agent. Seemingly loyal to Widmore, but sending John to the island without Widmore knowing and picking the science team that would help the losties.
Comment 158, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
TO add to my last comment 152…in the episode apparently the baby was not really in danger. By saving the baby Mr. Ecko made it sound like her and the baby needed to be baptized…but why? Mr. Ecko also had wanted to know why she chose the name Aaron. Anyhow it was the episode where they both got baptized.
Comment 159, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
tasha wrote:
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Agreed. If dead folks can show themselves as apparitions and as show in the whisper trancripts…some of them wanted to show themselves to the Losties, than your point makes sense.
Comment 160, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Can’t find the post but read it. I agree the doc washed up onshore before Sayid makes it back because the doc floated in on a different bearing. Apparently, the bearing you approach at can mean you arrive early, late, or not at all.
Comment 161, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I was looking into some references for the name ‘Emily’, and thought that since they use so many biblical names, perhaps I should start there. I didn’t find any listing for ‘Emily’ or ‘Aemilia’, ‘Aemilius’ or ‘Amalia’ (from which the name ‘Emily’ is derived), but I did find quite a few ‘Saint Emily’s’. A few of them looked like nothing significant to the Lost story, but one, noted in Russian Orthodoxy: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Emily, kind of did simply because she was often called, “The Mother of Saints.” Five of her ten children became Saints.
I know that’s a loooooong stretch, but hey, I love attempting to find meaning in the characters’ names.
Also, it’s still throwing me that since ‘Jack’ is a form of ‘Johnathon’, and we’ve got two camps, both headed by a ‘John’, there could be something more to the connection between Jack and John Locke. Oooh, perhaps ‘Jack’ is modeled after John Shepherd-Barron, father of the ATM. (Yes, I’m joking)
Comment 162, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
RGS wrote:
Yes! And part of the reason I thought that would happen is that in the HBO show “Oz”, there was a scene where Lance Reddick’s character pushed a wheelchair-bound character (played by Harold Parrineau) down a set of stairs. I wonder if they shot last night’s scene in that manner, as a sort of shout-out to “Oz”.
Comment 163, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Agreed. If dead folks can show themselves as apparitions and as show in the whisper trancripts…some of them wanted to show themselves to the Losties, than your point makes sense.
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I disagree. Mittleos = lost time is why. I think that’s a clue that it has everything to do with “time” as to the reason Richard doesn’t age.
Couldn’t the whispers be coming from people who are residing in the future or the past or trapped in a moment in time?
Comment 164, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
Baffled by why he was angry about the knife, especially knowing that he ends up being a knife expert?
sector7 wrote:
Agree that Abbadon put John on the course to send him to the island. However, I think Abbadon is a double agent. Seemingly loyal to Widmore, but sending John to the island without Widmore knowing and picking the science team that would help the losties.
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I don’t think Abbadon is a double agent. I think he is 100% Widmore man.
Here is my take on it. John was born special. He is supposed to be the man of science and reason (science camp, book) not a warrior (picking the knife, wanting to be a jock). But John wants to be the warrior and insists on not wanting to be a man of reason/ science. That is why Alpert is frustrated with him, and why Abaddon is trying to recruit him. It’s all kind of Star Wars theme- both the dark side and the light side trying to recruit him.
Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.
Comment 165, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Agreed. If dead folks can show themselves as apparitions and as show in the whisper trancripts…some of them wanted to show themselves to the Losties, than your point makes sense.
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I disagree. Mittleos = lost time is why. I think that’s a clue that it has everything to do with “time” as to the reason Richard doesn’t age.
Couldn’t the whispers be coming from people who are residing in the future or the past or trapped in a moment in time?
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Of course your theory is possible and it’s likely a mixture of both. The future/past trapped folks can be dead too. Right? There is some pretty good evidence that the whispers were done by folks that have died.
(I’m gonna copy and paste this in the whisper thread for grins since we are debating it.)
Comment 166, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
Hammer wrote:
tasha wrote:
The whole aging thing with Albert may not be time travel. Maybe he is just dead. Once someone dies they don’t age anymore. Who knows with time travel” and “undead” people things can go anywhere.
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Agreed. If dead folks can show themselves as apparitions and as show in the whisper trancripts…some of them wanted to show themselves to the Losties, than your point makes sense.
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I disagree. Mittleos = lost time is why. I think that’s a clue that it has everything to do with “time” as to the reason Richard doesn’t age.
Couldn’t the whispers be coming from people who are residing in the future or the past or trapped in a moment in time?
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Of course your theory is possible and it’s likely a mixture of both. The future/past trapped folks can be dead too. Right? There is some pretty good evidence that the whispers were done by folks that have died.
Comment 167, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I don’t understand what makes people like Locke so special! WHY CAN’T I BE SPECIAL? Why can’t I be chosen to crash on some island and take over? I want to be there so bad! I want to be on just ONE episode SOOOO bad! I want to crash on an island and find out I am special!
Okay sorry. I was having a moment.
Comment 168, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Emily Linus and Emily Locke.
Even though they have the same initials, I don’t think they are the same person. Ben’s mom died long before John met his living mom, Ben has a picture of his mom hanging on the wall (which makes me think that John would go- hey that’s MY mom), and they did not look anything alike.
Comment 169, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Why can’t Abbadon be an “Other” with Alpert? It is almost as if Abbadon chose Widmore’s science team b/c he knew that this team could eventually help save or move the island?
Comment 170, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
* Aaron is the key
Someone help me out, since he is “where he is supposed to be” - who has Aaron right now?
Given the fickle nature of the “truth,” we may only assume that outside forces of an unknown motivation have deemed it paramount that Aaron be raised by Claire (the psychic). We also know that Dead Charlie (is it really him?) has stated that Jack should not raise Aaron.
1 - is Claire dead? I’m not so sure, despite what we have seen. She is still very viable in the story and her character is full of loose threads.
2 - Season 4 will be “Get Aaron Back to the Island”
A Locke Question: was it island sand in the bottle, or Jacob ashes?
Comment 171, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
But he set Sawyer up to kill him. That doesn’t matter? It’s been a while since I’ve seen those epis but I thought Locke was just punking out, not because he didn’t want to kill a person.
Comment 172, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Locke chose the dirt from Alpert. Island dirt. Place is “his” not Widmore’s as he asserted when Ben confronted him.
There is a struggle in John to be a man of faith or a man of science. Alpert was unhappy he chose the knife, out of sync with Alpert’s need for John to recognize he’s a man of faith.
I’ve always thought Locke = Jacob. Writers are King fans. Probably Clive Barker too. Imajica main character “John” doesn’t realize he’s a messiah, both man and messiah. In Imajica even the messiah has free will. So does Locke. Anyone else read this book to discuss the similarities?
Thinking now Widmore used Desmond as a pawn. Widmore realizes his importance, and his potential “gift.” Couldn’t disclose island secrets, but knew he’d set sail and help him. Are we all resigned to believe Desmond just happened to find the island Widmore has spent his considerable resources searching for?
Defintely think now people were manipulated to be on the plane. At least those on the “list.”
Can’t see why Claire would be dead. At peace because Christian has filled her in on a bunch and put her mind at ease. The doctor washing up, but being alive on the boat may be the construct for understanding how Christian (and Charlie) can be both dead and alive.
Don’t know how, but pretty sure Ben and Locke are in fact brothers. And Ben hasn’t lost all connection to island, as claimed. Remember he led Locke to Jacob cabin AFTER getting tumor removed. If sick truly = abandonned by island, Ben should not have led John there so easily (unless weird dirt somehow was Ben’s way to keep cabin locked in place).
Comment 173, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Maybe Aaron is supposed to be the next chosen one raised by Locke or Christian Shephard on the island?
Comment 174, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
“Here is my take on it. John was born special. He is supposed to be the man of science and reason (science camp, book) not a warrior (picking the knife, wanting to be a jock). But John wants to be the warrior and insists on not wanting to be a man of reason/ science. That is why Alpert is frustrated with him, and why Abaddon is trying to recruit him. It’s all kind of Star Wars theme- both the dark side and the light side trying to recruit him.
Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.”
Homerun.
Comment 175, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Maybe Aaron is supposed to be the next chosen one and was supposed to be raised on the island by Jacob via Christian Shephard or by Locke?
Comment 176, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
docjock wrote:
I think it was Jacob’s ashes. Claire’s psychic was a con artist right? He told Claire that evil would surround this baby and she needed to raise the baby. Claire acted like she was stoned last night. Maybe they brain washed her like they did Carl. She didn’t even just act dead…she acted like she was really high or brainwashed. Can people be possessed? That would be far fetched wouldn’t it? Maybe Kate is dead and Claire takes over her body and she really does raise her own baby. May be why she(Kate) acts like that is really her kid. Maybe thats why Charlie says “HEY! You can’t raise him!” “Cause in reality that’s not Kate…that’s Claire…and she is your half sis!”
I can’t believe I just wrote that. I think I need to take a break from here. I am just throwing random stuff out there!
Comment 177, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I apologize as I cannot read all the posts right now, but cannot wait to comment :)
- always thought that Ben was not the sole leader and that original inhabitants have other leaders… it was great to see Alpert recruiting
- Ben, Ben, Ben, good vs evil… for me I belive he has a good reason for all the evil things he does and this episode reaffirmed my view. Ben is still not the best liked but definately one of the best, if not the best and most complex characters…
- cannot wait to learn more about original island inhabitants and see what role Ben will take on now that the island has Locke who isnow officially in favour and is a new/additional leader….
great episode!
Comment 178, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Eric
Comment 546, posted 12 months ago - Quote and reply
desmondo wrote:
Brandon wrote:
Go to losteastereggs.blogspot.com/20… check out the frames with Jacob. Really looks like Desmond.
Actually, it looks like Terry O’Quinn (aka John Locke) with a wig on. If I had to bet, I would say that the man Locke saw was himself.
I’ve posted for weeks that I think Locke = Jacob. Clearly the writers are fiction/horror fans (King is everywhere). Clive Barker is his contemporary, and Imajica, his opus, centers on a character who is a savior, a “great man” who had an “immaculate” birth. This man lived for centuries, doesn’t know it (through the first 500 pages of the book), travels between dimensions and has time/space “visions.”
Locke saw a reflection of himself in that chair. Nate (and others) have done a good job with the stills to demonstrate this is plausible. Locke is not only Jacob, but he, like Imajica’s savior, has lived many lives that he has for some reason forgotten. This makes him possibly Hanso too, and his return to the island in present day on flight 815 a homecoming of sorts.
The flashlight, when engaged, caused a small but significant electromagnetic surge, throwing the room into disarray.
Imajica, in the end, is about one word, Reconciliation. Isn’t that what Locke’s “path” is about? Desmonds? All others who are “Lost?”
Comment 179, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Just listened to Darlton’s audio podcast on abc.com and from what they said it was like Richard Alpert was testing John Locke to see if he was the next “chosen one”…Darlton mentioned how a new Dalai Lama is chosen after one dies…I believe that Tibetan Buddhists believe that a new Dalai Lama is the incarnation of the previous…or something like that.
It was weird how Alpert was there at different times in Locke’s life…after his birth, when he was a little kid, in the form of trying to recruit him(through the science teacher)for Mittelos summer camp, and later on when he needed to prove himself as special but could not kill Cooper…Alpert gave him Sawyer’s file to get him to do. Even though it seemed like he was disappointed that Locke could not pick out all of the items that “were his”, he was still present at different times.
I have a hard time believing that Cooper is really Locke’s biological father…when Emily Locke as a teenager was going to go out, when she told Mrs. Locke that she is in love, Mrs. Locke said “but he is twice your age”…that means about 32. When she saw Richard Alpert in the hospital Mrs. Locke had a strange look on her face…is that because he was the boyfriend or she knew who he was and had some history with him…maybe she and Emily are from the island.
Comment 180, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
If Locke is Jacob, he says, “Help me” to himself.
Ben is up to No Good.
Comment 181, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
tasha wrote:
Geronimo Jackson. I remembered that from the Lost puzzles. There was also a picture. Not sure who it was but people are peculating its Christian or Alvar Hanso.
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The picture in John’s locker is of English explorer Sir Richard Burton
Comment 182, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Wasn’t it confirmed that they eye that was seen the first time Locke was at Jacob’s cabin was not Locke’s eye or Ben’s eye? I still think Jacob is someone we haven’t met…the question now is…where is he? The last two times we’ve seen his cabin it’s been occupied by Christian who can apparently “speak on his behalf”…sounds a little fishy to me.
I’m starting to think that there is a third party out there, the Abbadon and Alpert group. Not sure how that would work, but it’s a thought.
The power change on the boat was really interesting…who is really working for Widmore and who is really just there as a pawn?
And to comment on post #58 - they were baptized so that they would be together. The implication was that if anything should happen to Aaron, Claire wanted to be baptized too so that they would be together, presumably post-death. I think Eko was interested in the name Aaron because of the Biblical connotations - i.e. Aaron was a priest (like Eko) and a leader of the Israelites.
Need to get back to work…
Comment 183, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Matthew Abaddon always scares the crap out of me…I thought for a minute he was going to push Locke’s wheelchair down the stairs. However, seeing how things have played out with the different folks from the freighter…I am not certain that Abaddon is bad or that he works for Charles Widmore.
We know he hired Naomi but she seems to have been in charged of the scientist group, Frank, and whatever they had to do there, whereas Keamy seems to be in charged of the more militant commando group sent to get Ben and kill everyone else.
I half expected Abaddon to be in the cabin when Locke went in there…I guess as others have posted, we will be seeing him when he does see John Locke again.
Comment 184, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
I think Alpert wanted John to pick the Book of Laws. They showed Alpert start to smile a little as the kid stared at that book. So I assume that is a book of the island’s laws, written by someone long long ago, and they’re hoping John is the second coming of the book’s author (perhaps Jacob?).
This goes along with Hammer’s comment #66, about John and Jacob being one and the same. And this is similar to what I was taught, growing up Catholic - Jesus was the son of God, but Jesus and God are one being.
So the Lost version is that Jacob is a God-like figure, only making himself visible to those he wants to be visible to. And Jacob uses Christian to transmit messages to the people on the island, just like God used angels to transmit his messages to the people on earth. After decades or even centuries of waiting for the son of Jacob to come to earth, it has finally happened, in the form of John Locke. If Locke and Jacob are one and the same, that book of Laws belongs to Locke.
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Agreed! Alpert asked 10+/- yr old John, “which one BELONGS to you John?”, hoping he would pick Book of Laws.
He also said John “already” owns it.
Other Observations:
The Capt told Sayid to take a 305 degree bearing - the same bearing Daniel told Frank to take when they left the Island with Des.
To get back TO the Island from the freighter along the same “path”, the bearing would have to be 125 degrees (opposite direction). I’ll presume the writers just wanted to make the bearing recognizable to the “casual” viewers.
Meathead (89)
You’re either addicted or NOT addicted.
Perhaps “casual” viewers should just watch American Idol reruns!
CS - actually dead as we know it ?
alive ?
immortal ?
a ghost ?
reincarnated ?
* Remember, Jack found his EMPTY coffin.
* Is Jacob actually Christian ?
In Locke’s dream sequence where he saw Horace Goodspeed, Horace seemed to be appearing and re-appearing (introduced himself a couple times) sort of like a vision that took a few attempts before coming into focus. (clever)
Horace told Locke he had been dead for 12 years, which sets the purge in 1992 assuming this scene is late 2004 (90+ days on Island).
Claire’s status ? Is she actually dead ?
When CS told John he had to “move the Island” to save it, did he also tell him HOW ?
Is there a way to restore the Swan Station ?
Will he be headed toward some other “magic switch” that will vault the Island into another time dimension ?
Any theories on HOW he is gonna’ make it disappear again ?
If Aaron is supposed to be the next “chosen one”, then why would they let him get away ?
(unless of course, CS/Claire just wanted him to escape the present danger knowing they can always bring him back).
Hope Jack doesn’t lead all the “Beachcombers” to Keamy (he thinks the dropped receiver is for them to FOLLOW the signal, not avoid it).
Ben & Locke as 1/2 brotha’s ? Might have to think about it some more.
Locke’s HS “Guidance Couselor” wanted him to consider Mittelos Science Camp in Portland - the presumption being Portland was fairly close to his HS
Ben’s mother Emily dying on way to hospital within 32 miles of Portland
Ben’s mother Emily having childbirth difficulty after previously having Locke as a “premie” when hit by car
BUT, come to think of it: I don’t remember ANY resemblance between the teenage Emily Locke and the Emily Linus lying in the woods having Ben.
Can anyone prove the 2 Emilys are the SAME person ?
Guess I thought it out in words and now I say Ben & Locke are NOT 1/2 brotha’s
Comment 185, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I don’t think Abbadon is a double agent. I think he is 100% Widmore man.
Here is my take on it. John was born special. He is supposed to be the man of science and reason (science camp, book) not a warrior (picking the knife, wanting to be a jock). But John wants to be the warrior and insists on not wanting to be a man of reason/ science. That is why Alpert is frustrated with him, and why Abaddon is trying to recruit him. It’s all kind of Star Wars theme- both the dark side and the light side trying to recruit him.
Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.
OK no clue if I quoted right (never done it one here) but I am so on the same page as you with this one, esp. with the whole badgammon dark side/light side stuff.
Comment 186, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Whether Ben and Locke are brothers or not is not important. How they were conceived is extremely important and possibly related to some other island mysteries. There was a major clue last night, and although I haven’t formulated a complete theory yet, I’m on my way.
Names, obviously, are the major clues behind the show. Horace Goodspeed is a big one. Horace is a homonym for Horus, Egyptian God of the sun and the sky. In addition, Horus was conceived when his mother Isis fashioned a phallus of gold and used it to impregnate himself. I don’t think that it’s much of a stretch to tie this myth to the story of the island–ancient civillization and something weird with having babies.
Comments?
Comment 187, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
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He said “only a knife and your wits”
and John chose only the knife.
then Alpert left telling John’s grandmother? that John wasn’t ready for his “school”
Comment 188, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I thought it was interesting last week when Rose pointed out to Bernard that Jack had gotten sick on the island(appendicitis) and that people get better on the island, like herself with her cancer…so what was wrong with Jack?…or something to that effect.
In last night’s episode, Ben is telling Locke that his own time for being special is over, pointing out that the island let him get sick(his spinal tumor)and that it let his daughter be killed.
It seemed like the writers were really trying to point something out there…although with Ben I always feel like he is being manipulating, especially with Locke.
When Locke tried to get Hurley to leave them but he wanted to stay, Ben tried to acknowledge Locke’s manipulation and Locke said that he is not like him…did Locke really need Hurley there? Maybe only the last person or people who saw the cabin can find it the next time…
Comment 189, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Toeknee wrote:
Yes! And part of the reason I thought that would happen is that in the HBO show “Oz”, there was a scene where Lance Reddick’s character pushed a wheelchair-bound character (played by Harold Parrineau) down a set of stairs. I wonder if they shot last night’s scene in that manner, as a sort of shout-out to “Oz”.
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I was thinking exactly the same thing when watching that scene. Lance Reddick rules. He was also good as Lt. Daniels in the Wire.
Has it been proven that he actually works for Widmore? He told Locke a miracle happened to him also. I wonder what that was? More Reddick next season = good TV.
Comment 190, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
dukewm wrote:
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He said “only a knife and your wits”
and John chose only the knife.
then Alpert left telling John’s grandmother? that John wasn’t ready for his “school”
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I think that goes back to my above theory of John fighting his role as a man of reason and wanting to be a man of war instead. He chose the knife and rejected the camp because he wants to be the superman hero, not the cerebral hero. When Abaddon tells him to go with only a knife, he is trying to “push” John towards the dark-side.
Comment 191, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
adriennez wrote:
I don’t think Mrs. Locke ment the father was literally “twice your age”, I think it was just an exaggeration meant to convey her disapproval of the relationship. Based on what we’ve been told already on this show, Emily was born in October 1940, and John Locke was born in May 1956. (As a side note, the song at the beginning of the episode, Buddy Holly’s song “Everyday”, was actually recorded in 1957 - production error, or more evidence of time travel??!!). The father could very well have been 25 years old in May 1956, which would make him 73 at the time of the crash of OA815, which seems about right for the age of Cooper.
Comment 192, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Eric wrote:
Eric, this isn’t to shoot down your theory that Locke=Jacob, as it think at this point it is quite likely….but Terry O’Quinn wasn’t in that scene:
“Jacob was portrayed by prop master Rob Kyker for the filming of this particular episode. [source needed] Kyker is the property master for the production crew. It isn’t unheard-of for production staff to play small background roles; examples Archie Ahuna and Michael Gilday.”
Comment 193, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
To all the people who are talking about whether Locke is in foster care:
We already know he is. In the episode where there’s a FB and he’s talking to a woman about disability payment, he says he grew up in foster care.
Comment 194, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
1. So do you think the two guys at the end of S2 in Antarctica (or wherever they were) were monitoring “island moves”? Maybe the fail safe key moved the island? And Widmore had them monitoring that to know when it moved and they were supposed to alert someone (Penny…hmmm) when it moved?
2. Didn’t Locke tell his mother after she found him in the toy store that he had been raised in foster care? I think they lady that got mad at him and told him to be on his “best behavior” was a foster mother.
Comment 195, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Yes, the guidance counselor speech about some people being the quarterback and some being a superhero, a comment on destiny. And Locke choosing the knife, the contrast with free will.
Someone posted earlier that the material in the glass container could be ashes. I like that. Jacob’s ashes.
Comment 196, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Sayid left the ship on the correct bearing BEFORE Keamy slit the Doc’s throat and hasn’t arrived on the Island yet.
Apparently, he is stuck in the time-warp like the rocket.
Question is: HOW did the Doc get there in normal time ? and why can’t anybody else do the same ?
Do you have to be dead to travel to the Island in “normal time” ?
Comment 197, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
so where IS Jacob then? off time traveling? anyone have any ideas besides locke=jacob?
Comment 198, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
“lost” is a story about opposites opposing each other:
Good vs. Evil, Dark vs. Light, Science vs. Faith. The ying and yang of life. And yet, opposites also attract
each other: Kate attracted to Sawyer, Jack attracted to
Kate, Ben attracted to Locke, Widemore attracted to Ben. And we all have the potential to be both: good and bad, passive and aggressive, self-less and self-centered. The demons and gods within us all are constantly at odds with each other. But ultimately, it comes down to this: good choices equals good outcome…bad choices equals bad outcome (the Law of Kharma).
Comment 199, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Keys wrote:
They are different series actually:
“Special” - lostpedia.com/wiki/Comic_Book
“Cabin Fever” - lostpedia.com/wiki/Mystery_Tal...
Comment 200, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Thanks Hammer. When I wrote that originally, we didn’t have the info on the production staff member’s portrayal of “the eye.”
And I definitely could be wrong, though I like the idea of it, and the power such a thing carries from a Destiny/free will perspective.
Comment 201, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
dukewm wrote:
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I know I’m sounding like a broken record, but I really like DocH’s comments about the time sync as an explanation for this. Because the time differences are inconsistent, it seems very viable that as it is syncronizing there would be some descrepancies.
Comment 202, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Lostmama,
My other thought is that if Locke’s not Jacob, then he’s his son. Those ashes would belong to him, right?
Comment 203, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Eric wrote:
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In the bible Jacob had 12 sons I believe, the youngest of his sons was named Benjamin.
Comment 204, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Tasker wrote:
They are different series actually:
“Special” - lostpedia.com/wiki/Comic_Book
“Cabin Fever” - lostpedia.com/wiki/Mystery_Tal...
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Uh, post #150?
Comment 205, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone notice the “new protocol book” had a dharma logo on it? So I think I have to agree with whoever said that Ben stole the island from Widmore. Widmore was in charge of/ owned Dharma.
Still confused about the 12 year dead issue.
Maybe when Alex was stolen she was actually stolen by Alpert’s group and kept at the “temple” until the purge.
Did anyone notice that Ben’s face seemed to get better the closer they got to the cabin - or was it just my imagination. I have only watched it once.
best Hurley Line “Guys…….Cabin”
Comment 206, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
dukewm wrote:
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Wait - what? The doc washed ahore before he was killed on the boat — how do you get “normal time” out of that? Uhhhh, post #160?
Comment 207, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
ninny wrote:
It quite apparent that Ben and his group took control of the island from DHARMA/Widmore, the question remains…who REALLY had it first. Four toed folks? Jacob? Widmore? Did DHARMA/Widmore steal it?
Comment 208, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Great ideas- here are the things I’ve been pondering since last night:
• How is Emily lock 6 mos preggers and not showing in the least? Did you see her waist – it was tiny!
• The cover of the comic book Alpert has reminds me of the Lost cover with the two cities – one above the other.
• Claire did not look like Claire – her facial expressions and body language – what are we to conclude about that?
• What is strapped to Keemy’s arm? A remote detonator? What good is moving the island going to do once the heli lands full of ammo? And what is Lapidus thinking for taking them? They’d just kill him when their done with him at the end of the mission? And where did this “secondary protocol” come from? With the Orchid logo on the cover!
• Are we ever going to see Charlie’s ring? We got a shot of Aaron’s crib where it is for a brief second last night.
• When does John acquire a jar of sand? Does he end up leaving the island but taking some of it with him to help him find it later on?
• Clearly, Lapidus is trying to help the Losties by dropping his phone – but how could he NOT think that they’ll head right for them with it?
• What happened to Sayid? Is he going to arrive to an empty beach when everyone tries to leave for where the chopper landed?
• And lastly, where was the chopper headed – Keemy said where Ben would be going to be safe – where is that – the temple?
Keep the ideas coming!
Comment 209, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Wait - what? The doc washed ahore before he was killed on the boat — how do you get “normal time” out of that? Uhhhh, post #160?
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If it’s only about the bearing…your thoughts on how one of the assualt team guys got Dan’s morse code message about the dead Dr. before the dead Dr. died?
Comment 210, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
There were at least 3 references to time loops (that is, time repeating on itself) in this episode.
1. Horace nosebleed & intoducing himself twice.
2. Alpert suggesting John already possessed one or more of the items.
3. Keamy saying Widmore knows where Ben will go.
There have been many theories on this blog that have suggested things such as “this has happened before and is happening again”. Defeinitely seems they are pointing us in this direction, no?
Comment 211, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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I like it, add (now I sound like a time loop) DocH’s comment about time sync and the turning of the key stopping the island time (or many loops for that matter)?
Comment 212, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Hammer wrote:
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Wait - what? The doc washed ahore before he was killed on the boat — how do you get “normal time” out of that? Uhhhh, post #160?
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If it’s only about the bearing…your thoughts on how one of the assualt team guys got Dan’s morse code message about the dead Dr. before the dead Dr. died?
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Stated in post 160: “Apparently, the bearing you approach at can mean you arrive early, late, or not at all.” This must be for going in or going out. Electromagnetic signals travel a path/bearing as well.
Comment 213, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Missy wrote:
Well, she does go into labor at six months- that would be the end of second tri-mester, or the time at which island pregnancies end. Hmmm?
Comment 214, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Wait - what? The doc washed ahore before he was killed on the boat — how do you get “normal time” out of that? Uhhhh, post #160?
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Sector 7 you are on to something. It would probably be a good idea if we ALL followed the rule listed below.
Especially rule #1
Read all comments before commenting. If something has already been said, there is no need to say it again
Comment 215, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
i don’t think there is any question about who john’s father is–he did give him a kidney. wouldn’t have come up that they weren’t related even if it was a viable match?
Comment 216, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Another thought. If Locke moves the island, could he possibly move it into a colder climate? Thus explaining why Ben was wearing a winter jacket in his ff? And if the island has been moved before, could that explain the polar bear?
Comment 217, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
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Got it.
Comment 218, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Miraks wrote:
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Good thought.
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sector7 wrote:
Kind of “Matrix” like.
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Just clicked…
The book of laws Richard shows Locke, could be the “Rules” that ben spoke of when Keamy killed Alex…
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meathead wrote:
But the majority of us LOST fans seem to think it was a great episode Meathead and I agree;
This is a bit off topic but I think interesting;
the actress playing Juliet was in a movie playing a child predator in “Running Scared” (2006). She was in a very creepy sequence in that film.
Also caught actor Naveen Andrews (plays Sayid) in the old film “Mighty Joe Young” (1998). His part was a real cliche in the film. Glad to see he’s getting a meatier role in LOST.
Why did Johns mother want to abandon him and run out of the hospital? She went from telling her own mother she can’t stop her (from hooking up with some older guy to an about face.
And the Mother smoking a cigarette in Intensive Care? WTF? What sort of Bitch from Hell is she? Locke sure has some nasty DNA in his blood. But why didn’t they show who the father is? Unless it was Albert…that was not clear to me.
Liked the exchange between the Pilot and Michael; about why Michael didn’t trust him when he was the one on the SHIP that was saying the plane they “found” on the ocean bottom was a fake. Michael just seems to be an idiot all the way around.
Why is Alpert always wearing eyeliner?
I love the villains; especially the scary mercenary dude with the armband device; what is that? Must be some device that monitors his pulse and if it stops then it explodes…but it can’t have too much plastic explosive in it as it’s not very big allowing for the electronic parts in it. I would guess enough to blow him up and a few people around him. Since they show it several times you gotta know that it will go off at some point.
The SHIP Captain was sure a fool to take his eyes off Joe Mercenary for even a moment.
My fantasy scene; Mercenary dude meets up in the jungle with Patchy, who survived the underwater blast (plausible), and they go mano a mano—with the armband device going off when Patchy kills him. But you just know that his little device is gonna backfire on him somehow.
Possible Spoiler?;
The preview shows Sayid with the raft about to land on the beach so he DOES get there before the island moves.
Loved the young High School Locke; puts him in a whole new light. So he was on his way to being an educated scientist but ran from it because he hated being a nerd in school? Very creative of the writers to add this complexity!
Looking at the trees felled to make the cabin;
that is one crummy cabin if made from those poor trees. I noticed in this episode that it looked pretty flimsy when John got inside. Why would such a powerful entity like Jacob not take up residence in the of the Dharma bunkers? His powers must be limited as he needs Ben or John to do his bidding.
Maybe Smokey goes under the island and picks it up and moves it? Ben seemed to have some power to summon Smokey.
I don’t mind so much if Charlie is still showing up as long as he does not sing and play that awful Ovation guitar anymore. Those guitars are terrible but I guess since they are half plastic better suited to surviving on a tropical island. Who got the guitar? Mercenary Dude would probably rip the string off and use them to strangle someone and use them to strangle someone while singing “while my guitar gently weeps”.
I agree with another poster; the candy bar scene was priceless.
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Toeknee wrote:
I don’t think Mrs. Locke ment the father was literally “twice your age”, I think it was just an exaggeration meant to convey her disapproval of the relationship. Based on what we’ve been told already on this show, Emily was born in October 1940, and John Locke was born in May 1956. (As a side note, the song at the beginning of the episode, Buddy Holly’s song “Everyday”, was actually recorded in 1957 - production error, or more evidence of time travel??!!). The father could very well have been 25 years old in May 1956, which would make him 73 at the time of the crash of OA815, which seems about right for the age of Cooper.
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The nurse looked at Emily’s mom and asked “Is that the father?” Emily’s mom replied “I, uh…I don’t know who that is.” So looked puzzled IMO.
Im glad you brought up that song “Everyday”. I think it was a perfect reference for them to explain the time discrepencies and where the timeline is headed.
Everyday, it’s a gettin’ closer,
Goin’ faster than a roller coaster,
Love like yours will
surely come my way,
Everyday, it’s a gettin’ faster,
Everyone says
go ahead and ask her,
Love like yours will surely come my way,
Everyday seems a little longer,
Every way, love’s a little stronger,
Come
what may, do you ever long for
True love from me?
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Bobola wrote:
Without rules there is anarchy.
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Let’s say Anothony Cooper IS Locke’s dad…he wouldn’t have just been dating that girl for the heck of it. We have seen that he always was trying to Con someone. Sleeping with Sawyer’s mom and the lady he married when he pushed Locke out a window. Do you think we should think more into why he was conning this young girl or it may not be even matter? Is there something about her or her family we will find out later? Did they ever say what the last name was? Maybe she is Whidmore’s sister or something?
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Hugo has a theory on why they can see the Cabin? Hilarious. “We can see it because we’re the craziest.”
Later Locke tells Hugo “we have to make a PIT stop first.” Dead Dharma Pit.
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Benjamin was a son of Jacob, but he was the last, not the first, and mother Rachel died giving birth.
Ben took the island from Widmore, Widmore took it from Jacob? Did Jacob (hebrew “the supplanter”) take it from someone else? Sorry but I can’t help getting caught up with the biblical names: Jacob, Ben, John, Aaron, Michael, Adam, Eve, and of course, Christian Shepherd.
On a completely different note regarding the dead people: are they really dead? Of the people that we have seen die (Shannon, Boone, Arnst, Analucia, Libby, Cooper) none of them have returned. Then others have returned in either dreams (Eko’s bro and Horus) or in Hurley’s mind (Charlie). Did we see Christian die? Or just his empty coffin?
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I don’t understand about the doctor. His body washed up onshore, then the survivors ask the people on the freighter about it, then Kimi kills the doctor? That timeline is totally backwards.
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Found this:
The Torah argues that Benjamin’s name arose when Jacob deliberately corrupted the name Benoni, the original name of Benjamin, since Benoni was an allusion to Rachel dying just after she had given birth, as it means son of my pain.
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Jim wrote:
Post 203
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a few things in my head…
1.When Alpert says to John..”pick which of these things ALREADY belong to you” …what is this already business? It’s as though they are able to be in the past, present, and future at the same time.
2. Is Ben living the life/following the path that was origianlly intended for Locke?
3. Who preceded Ben in leadership? He says “I didn’t order the purge”
4. For some reason when John was in the DI death pit, I though it looked like the bodies coupld be covering up another hactch. Possibly the Orchid.
5. So so far Alpert and Horace have both been an influence in John and Ben’s lives.
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jaime wrote:
BEN: They did wipe them out, Hugo, but it wasn’t my decision.
HURLEY: Then whose was it?
BEN: Their leaders.
HURLEY:But I thought you were their leader.
BEN: Not always.
I thought that implied that there are and maybe always have been more than one person in charge. Maybe a sort of council. JMO
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Hammer wrote:
Comment 133 and who is next after Locke? The obvious answer is Aaron, but what about Walt?
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A quickie for me. I’ve read the ENTIRE POST three times now and have a list a mile long. But I want to mention the “baseball glove” that young John was presented with by Alpert the Inquistor, and that none of us has explored. Thinking back, my initial impression was that if Locke chooses that, he is accepting a life of sports, an ambulatory life where his legs work! Then I thought… “Field of Dreams”… If you build it (cabin), he (Jacob)will come. Just a random thought - no theory here. Back in a few hours with more.
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Miraks wrote:
Well, she does go into labor at six months- that would be the end of second tri-mester, or the time at which island pregnancies end. Hmmm?
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SNAP - I didn’t even think of that! I just thought she looked ver UN-pregnant - but good connection.
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So Ben and Locke are both preemies with moms named Emily and whose moms didn’t raise them.
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DocH wrote:
Now DocH is making lists. We are all in trouble. :) Is it a “list” like Jacob’s? Dont hit us with it too fast Doc, if it is a mile long.
Comment 237, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
The idea of a council is a good one. No one has mentioned “the sheriff” from last season in awhile. Maybe the leader of the others is an elected position, but there are only certain “special” people that can be chosen.
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lost4ever wrote:
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Random thought - If the island makes the people “better” - and has made John well, and made Rose well - could it be true that it made Hurley “well” - maybe Hurley was crazy, but being on the island has given him clarity; hence when he gets off the island he looses it again. Not sure if I believe it - but it crossed my mind in that scene.
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Heres another thought…
At the beginning, Emily Locke’s Mother states “He is twice your age” but does not specify who “He” is and then we spot Alpert outside the natal area…Could it be Locke really was immaculatley conceived, Alpert was part of it and he was “He” that Emily Lockes mom was referring to…Cause Alpert did look twice her age and Emilys Mom looked a little scared when she seen Alpert…I know everyone thinks Cooper is Lockes real father but he also is a con-man and could just have been a match to Locke’s blood type…How else could Alpert know how to find ben at the early age…JMO
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Find John***
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Find John*
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Its Not Working!!!!
I meant Find John!!!
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Jim wrote:
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I’ve still been hung up on why Karl and Danielle were buried. They couldn’t have cared enough to bury the people they murdered - and they were on their way to the barracks. Is there some reason why they were buried? Is there a difference in being dead and buried and being dead and not buried - ie - the open dharma pit? sailing a body off on a raft?
Comment 244, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
jaime wrote:
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Brilliant idea on the death pit! I love that idea! I thought Ben was alluding to the thought that Jacob ordered the purge. The test Alpert gave to kid Locke reminded me of the test that Faraday was trying to do with the cards.
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Renato wrote:
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I’ll have to rewatch that scene - when I first saw it I thought that Emily’s mother said something about adoption and lit a cigarette - then they showed Alpert - I thought he was going to adopt baby Locke.
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Sorry ’bout that, lost4ever. The youngest child would have been born last. I was having a ‘Hurley’ moment and misread your post.
Could that mean that there have been eleven children (caretakers so to speak) before Ben, all descendents of Adam and Eve from the cave?
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I’m also still stuck on why they needed Hurley to find the cabin. He was clueles, John had the dream, and Horace’s body had a map showing exactly where the cabin would be. So did the cabin move? Did the map change? Why is this thing so hard to find if a 12 year old map is accurate? I’m confused.
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Missy wrote:
He said “they”, implying more than one.
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Jim wrote:
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Wow, really messed up the posting on that one…sorry!
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Wow, really messed up the post there…sorry!
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Jim wrote:
I believe there was a scene in season 1 where Jack went to the morgue to identify Christian, and in that scene we saw his dead body.
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sector7 wrote:
Definitely NOT. Just watched “The Brig”. The knife Ben gives John to kill his dad has a hilt and the blade is shaped diferently. Last night’s ep knife has no hilt and is smaller.
I think Locke’s knife represents the person he always wanted to be–the warrior, the hero who saves the day. All his life he has struggled to be this person. In highschool, he was a geek, and his teachers tried to get him to go to science camp because presumably he was “a man of science”, but he rejected his teachers’ ideas of who they wanted him to be. He had faith in himself and in this way became “a man of faith”.
The knife that Alpert shows to young Locke represents the hero side of himself and when he picks it, Alpert says he has not yet comes to terms with who he is, that he’s not yet ready. Alpert doesn’t believe that it’s his destiny to be a hero even though childhood Locke seems pretty sure that the knife’s for him–overlooking the comic book which most boys his age would choose. Teenage Locke is encouraged to go to science camp and the teacher tells him it’s just who he is and he can’t change it, but Locke denies this.
Fate is “a fickle bitch” Ben says suggesting that there is free will. We can change our future and our destiny. Locke changes his future by becoming the man who saves the day.
He tries to go on the Australian walkabout even though he can’t walk and the island helps him to be the man who saves the day when he regains use of his legs on it.
I like the idea that Locke might be using the knife to kill his father. The question is who is his father?
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docjock wrote:
But it wan’t his real father that he chose not to kill (himself); he was the con artist who played is father.
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on the subject of “moving the island”… what if they have to “unstick” the island from time in order to move it?
possibly using the orchid station to do so?
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If the Lapidus could drop the phone to the Losties to warn tem why couldn’t he have written a note that said exactly what Keemy was upto and dropped that with the phone???
Maybe there weren’t any pens going around on the freighter???
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Jacquelyn Chappel wrote:
But it wan’t his real father that he chose not to kill (himself); he was the con artist who played is father.
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We don’t know that it wasn’t his real father. As someone pointed out above, he was the “right” age to be someone older than Emily Locke. He was a con man, so getting a young girl to “mess around” with while working a con in the area would not be out of character. After she had the baby (doubt anyone knew she was pregnant in the first place) he dumped her and took off. Hence her not wanting to have anything to do with the baby- she thought they would get married and live happily ever after because “he loved her”. He split, she turned away from the baby that -maybe in her mind- caused that split.
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Did anyone think that the merc who told the Doc about the morse code message looked oddly familiar, maybe from someone’s previous flashback? Seems as though everyone on this show has some connection to a Lostie from before OA815…just wondering outloud.
Comment 258, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I think that Alpert wears eyeliner because he was a Pirate from the Black Rock and that the eyeliner is a shout out to Capt. John Sparrow’s look…
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Jacquelyn Chappel wrote:
Definitely NOT. Just watched “The Brig”. The knife Ben gives John to kill his dad has a hilt and the blade is shaped diferently. Last night’s ep knife has no hilt and is smaller.
I think Locke’s knife represents the person he always wanted to be–the warrior, the hero who saves the day. All his life he has struggled to be this person. In highschool, he was a geek, and his teachers tried to get him to go to science camp because presumably he was “a man of science”, but he rejected his teachers’ ideas of who they wanted him to be. He had faith in himself and in this way became “a man of faith”.
The knife that Alpert shows to young Locke represents the hero side of himself and when he picks it, Alpert says he has not yet comes to terms with who he is, that he’s not yet ready. Alpert doesn’t believe that it’s his destiny to be a hero even though childhood Locke seems pretty sure that the knife’s for him–overlooking the comic book which most boys his age would choose. Teenage Locke is encouraged to go to science camp and the teacher tells him it’s just who he is and he can’t change it, but Locke denies this.
Fate is “a fickle bitch” Ben says suggesting that there is free will. We can change our future and our destiny. Locke changes his future by becoming the man who saves the day.
He tries to go on the Australian walkabout even though he can’t walk and the island helps him to be the man who saves the day when he regains use of his legs on it.
I like the idea that Locke might be using the knife to kill his father. The question is who is his father?
Nice theory. However, it is well known who John’s father is… Anthony Cooper, the man who conned him out of a kidney.
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Toeknee wrote:
I believe there was a scene in season 1 where Jack went to the morgue to identify Christian, and in that scene we saw his dead body.
Confirmed.
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This just occurred to me…what if Sayid gets to the island only manages to get the Oceanic 6 in the boat and then the island disappears. That would explain a few things in the flash forwards…why Kate would be doing something for Sawyer etc.
Comment 262, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
and by disappears I mean moves.
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C’mon guys, if Cooper was not John’s dad, why would he need to con HIM out of a kidney? Kidney transplant HAS to be from a family member. Look it up. Why have the story line of Sawyer killing Cooper/Sawyer if he was just some nobody? Nope, I don’t think so. Cooper IS John’s REAL dad.
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Jim wrote:
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Ultimately, Hugo found the cabin. John was talking to Ben when Hugo “found” it. My guess is that the cabin would not have been there had Hugo not been there to see it. Confused? Join the club.
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Wheels wrote:
I don’t understand why you have not read my posts on this.
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Kathy wrote:
My gut tells me that everyone isn’t rescued on the little Zodiac raft. The end of the season usually includes Penny Widmore in some fashion. I have this vision of Penny showing up to the island with a futuristic submarine or something along those lines. Bet.
Comment 267, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
good comments on the “Bearing/Heading to/from the Island/Freighter”.
However, I do not think that they screwed-up when they ‘repeated’ the 305 heading for the umpteenth time. They didn’t do it for the casual viewer because those types of LOST viewers don’t exist anymore (harder to find than Jacob). The real-world thing would be to say the reciprocal of 305 (125) degrees. I think they said what they said for a reason. You want to fly TO the island? Fly bearing 305… You want to fly FROM the island? Fly bearing 305… While the ‘island is moving’ may be the most likely answer to the ‘why always 305′ heading (think leap-frog in time here), I think the answer is more ‘circular’ in nature.
If you walk/swim/fly in any straight, direction, you’d eventually return to the same spot on the planet. If you are stuck in an Electro Magnetic eddy (whirlpool) and try to maintain a constant MAGNETIC direction, you may only travel in a relatively small (100 mile diameter) circle, while keeping a 305 heading the entire time.
Imagine standing on the face of a large clock at the 6 o’clock position. You want to travel to the 5 o’clock position, just behind you… but you have to go clockwise (A RULE), a much longer journey. You can see, touch, smell 5 o’clock, it’s right there. In fact, it just happened one hour ago, so you are pretty familiar with it. But the only way to get there is in the exact opposite direction, towards 7 o’clock. Our freighter is doing this. It is just that the island rarely flips over a new day compared to the outside. Good news though, the face of that large circumference clock is rapidly collapsing around the island and soon the journey to get back to a certain time is just seconds away.
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DocH wrote:
If we go with this theory, maybe once you are dead you CAN go from 6 to 5 o’clock. Hence the doc washing up on shore before Sayid gets there. Possibility?
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sector7 wrote:
Well golly Sargeant Carter. I musta missed that day at medical school. Of course it was EVIL medical school.
Blood-typing, tissue typing, check to see if we can max out the white blood cell/antigen count at six. Check, check… & check. Slap in that new kidney boys - just like NASCAR. Although, a kidney from a family member does ‘ever so slightly’ reduce the chance of rejection, but that is just a “secondary protocol” (hmmm, there’s phrase that again).
utmb.edu/renaltx/process.htm
Comment 270, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
I like Missy’s observations;
On the Island Jack is sober and a leader
Off the island he is paranoid and a drunk
On the island Hurley is sane
Off the island Hurley is insane and haunted
On the island Sayid is gentle and feeling
Off the island he is a murderous thug
Michael was tormented off the island
When Jack says they have to get back that is cause they will always be haunted off the island. The island heals all that is wrong with everyone.
Comment 271, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Here’s a thought… What if John isn’t moving the island to another place, but to another time?
Comment 272, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH wrote:
Well golly Sargeant Carter. I musta missed that day at medical school. Of course it was EVIL medical school.
Blood-typing, tissue typing, check to see if we can max out the white blood cell/antigen count at six. Check, check… & check. Slap in that new kidney boys - just like NASCAR. Although, a kidney from a family member does ‘ever so slightly’ reduce the chance of rejection, but that is just a “secondary protocol” (hmmm, there’s phrase that again).
utmb.edu/renaltx/process.htm
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So it boils down to compatability and blood type, although more easily found in a family member. Definitely possible that Cooper is not John’s father. Nice job private pyle.
Comment 273, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Kathy wrote:
Damn…an hour too late. Good thing I read all the posts before I threw it out. I def. think that’s what is going to happen. The six are off the island when Locke pushes the move button. And the next season will be about how everyone tries to find out how to find it again. Explains why Ben can say to Widmore that he won’t find the island after we know he already did.
Comment 274, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
sector7 wrote:
Yes, I like that idea.
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lost4ever wrote:
Comment 133 and who is next after Locke? The obvious answer is Aaron, but what about Walt?
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I didn’t need to be reminded of your comment…I was simply responding to ninny’s comment 205.
Comment 276, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
DocH @ 267, I’m pickin’ up what you’re layin’ down.
Comment 277, posted 1 year, 1 month ago - Quote and reply
Probably been mentioned before in other threads, but in the Bible, Aaron is the one who leads the Isrealites into the promised land. Moses has to stay behind. Perhaps Aaron helps the 6 return to the Island?
Also, the name Horace comes from the name Horatio. In Hamlet, Horatio sees the ghost in the beginning of the play. I’ll let bigger minds than me attach any significance to whether that means anything.
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DocH wrote:
Well golly Sargeant Carter. I musta missed that day at medical school. Of course it was EVIL medical school.
Blood-typing, tissue typing, check to see if we can max out the white blood cell/antigen count at six. Check, check… & check. Slap in that new kidney boys - just like NASCAR. Although, a kidney from a family member does ‘ever so slightly’ reduce the chance of rejection, but that is just a “secondary protocol” (hmmm, there’s phrase that again).
utmb.edu/renaltx/process.htm
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Good job, Pyle. Doesn’t have to be family, but does improve chance of success. Just doesn’t make sense to me that they would give so much reason to believe Cooper was John’s dad, especially the Sawyer connection, just to throw us off-track. JMO.
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