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2 years, 6 months ago by CeciliaRead more: Lost Episodes, Mr.Eko
Tonight’s episode is simply titled “?” and is LOST’s episode 21 of season 2. This week, I’ll be filling in again for Andreas due to his schedule, and leave comments after the show airs. I am watching from EST, so keep that in mind if you are on the West Coast and want to avoid spoilers, because I will be updating shortly after it airs on the East Coast. This is the official description:
Possible Spoiler
Mr. Eko enlists Locke to help find a secret location he believes houses answers to the island’s mysteries. Meanwhile, Jack and the other survivors struggle to cope with the horrific situation in the hatch.
Update:
Now THIS is what I call a really good episode, at least IMHO.
Once again, we have prophetic dreams which send us on a bizarre expedition with the two survivors who have “faith”… but faith that comes from very different perspectives in life. It is interesting to see the contrast between Locke & Eko.
Perhaps the biggest finding is that the ? is in fact Pearl Station (and not C3 or C4). And this whole idea that they are being observed, goes back once again to the Skinner Box concept, brought up by the first orientation film. Locke loses his faith in the button, while Eko’s gets stronger.
And of course, that brings us to a very interesting orientation tape this time. It, like the other, was copyrighted in 1980, and shows the DeGroots. However, instead of Dr. Marvin Candle, we now have Dr. Mark Wickmund* (same-looking guy, except for arm, different name — why?). And at the end… it states that the ferry will carry the subjects back to “the barracks”?? This leads me once again to think of Danielle’s maps from First Season. There were two island-like objects on the south side.
A twist I really liked in this show was of how they tied in a connection between Richard Malkin (Claire’s psychic) and Mr. Eko, as he goes to investigate a “miracle” for the Vatican. The mysterious daughter we meet is strange and brings interesting news, as does Malkin himself (he cons people… and says he’s not really psychic). Also, for those who do the webmaze, doesn’t the daughter remind you of someone else? (In addition to the flickering screens)
The only thing I didn’t like about the whole episode was the weepy dramatic subplot with Libby, will she talk, will she not talk… and of course, her mysterious last word is misinterpreted.
What did you think? Is the psychic lying about not being psychic? Was his daughter’s story one of a real “miracle”? Do you think there is a point to pushing the button anymore? What do you think of the new orientation tape and The Pearl?
*Note: Edited article to show new Orientation tape’s narrator as “Wickmund” rather than “Whitman” or “Wickman”, after a viewer on another site pointed out that the closed captioning stated this. Additionally, a previous spoiler call sheet had showed the actor as playing a “Dr. Waxman”, again along the Candle theme (but may have been changed at the last minute).
Comment 1, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
finally the situation is getting hot … hopefully jack’s not going to cry … ;)
Comment 2, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
He does cry an awful lot, doesn’t he?
Tonight’s episode is to be be Eko-centric, by the sounds of it.
Comment 3, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Hi, I’m french and I just finished the 2×20, when Mickaël kill Ana and Libby. How is the 2×21? Is it true, the last episode during 2 hours? Sorry for my english ;-)
For french people, I found a blog where everything is in french with pictures…
guillaumedhy.zevillage.org
See you.
Comment 4, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Hi Cedric,
I like this blog and I’m French too : why do we invade Americans on their websites … ?! Yeah probably the last episode will last two hours but this is just like season one : you probably watched it on French TV that’s why you didn’t notice there were 25 episodes instead on 24 like it should have been.
Take care not to connect tonight because from midnight (Paris time), people here will know everything about next episode, broadcasted on wednesday, whereas we will have to wait for three days before seing it.
cheers.
Comment 5, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
hey dudes i know how sad
rip++++
a.c+
libby+
shannon+
boon+
treefrog+
im cant wait for ? tonight i wonder how badly sawyer will have it for snogging ana and yes i m brittish!!!!
Comment 6, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
lewii wrote:
i wonder if michael will see walt by the end of the season2? also why did sawyer kill that poor treefrog!!!
from britishfreak
Comment 7, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone catch Jack crying over the treefrog in last week’s ep? So sad…
…and I read somewhere that it was the pilot reincarnated too. That frog might have been the survivors’ only way off the island.
*sniff, sniff* Tragic!
Comment 8, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Holy Crap!! (note: if you haven’t seen the episode don’t read this, I just finished watching it)
It really does seem like the writers are looking at these sites and taking our ideas, we were right about the hatch just being an experiment, and we were right that Libby wasn’t dead yet. Drives me nuts that they gave her the chance to say that Micheal shot her and then killed her two seconds before it got out! Michael’s name has now, in my mind, changed to ‘Stupid Micheal’, he no longer looks guilty, did you see the look he had at the very end of the episode?
Yet another character connection, with Libby, and did anyone else notice that the “Miriacle Girl’s” father was the phsycic that Claire went to?
So glad that they finally gave us some answers instead of just opening up question after question like they’ve been doing for the past weeks or months.
Great episode.
Comment 9, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
did anyone else catch the commercial for the Hanso corp between the other legit commercials mid way through tonights episode, they had a website but i can’t remember the correct spelling something like sublyminal.com
Comment 10, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
my tivo cut off the last part…right when they were giving drugs to Libby and Hurley wanted to talk to her…what happened after than and what do the previews show?
Comment 11, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
I saw that commercial…. i can’t figure it out… i’ve type sublyminal 100 different ways.. anyone tivo the commercials??
Comment 12, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
been typing sublymnal for 25 minutes with no luck!!
help us out please
Comment 13, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN TONIGHT’S EPISODE
RE: my tivo cut off the last part…
Hurley goes to Libby. She opens her eyes, utters “Michael” and dies. Surprisingly, we don’t see Jack cry ;-)
I’d tell you previews, but I believe that’s verbotten around here.
Comment 14, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Ducky wrote:
I think it was http://www.sublymonal.com/ … but I’m on dial-up so it’s taking forever to load!
Comment 15, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Keys wrote:
thanks alot!!! okay so they didn’t actually say Michael did this…so it might not happen where he gets in big trouble….
…I am surprised they killer her off…..bc we need to know her story ASAP about her in a mental hospital.
I can’t find the previews part will someone tell me about the preview for next week.
Comment 16, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Ducky wrote:
site was: www.sublymonal.com
It is mentioned on the NEWS page of this site… shows rotating flashing boxes… you have to click each one a zillion times until it turns solid, then eventually you will go to a page that tells you the code is Heir Apparent.
Comment 17, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
The website in the commercial is:
www.syblymonal.com
Comment 18, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Sorry -
www.sublymonal.com
Comment 19, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
It is subLYMONal.com
Comment 20, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
At the sublymonal website, there is a pattern to clicking on the boxes…
You can start with anyone…but before you can move to the next one you have to click each one a certain number of times.
First one is 4…next is 8…15, 16, 23, 42, of course.
Their servers are getting SLAMMED right now, so everything is slow and some things aren’t even loading. After getting through the boxes, you get to a screen that shows a box that flashes: “code: Heir Apparent”.
Clicking down below takes you to the bios page at hansofoundation.org and you can use that Heir Apparent code on one of the profiles… that’s as far as I got before their site stopped working for me.
Comment 21, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Keys wrote:
I hate to be a pain…but if anyone can give any more details about the last minute, it would be great (TiVo cut off too). The last thing I saw was Hurley saying, “Can I talk to her?” and Jack shooting in the heroin? Are we sure she’s dead, or might she have just been knocked out by the drugs? What did Hurley say to her? What was the look Michael gave, referred to above?
And, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with discussing the previews. I mean, that’s what this site is for, right? They’re already been on TV, so it’s not a spoiler…so, please share! :-)
Comment 22, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
She’s dead Jim
Jack closed her vacant, staring eyes. Kate cried, Sawyer held onto her. Final shot was Michael by himself in “Henry’s old room” looking a might bit menacing (Thud…LOST)
Comment 23, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
www.sublymonal.com
Comment 24, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Just rewatched for you…
Hurley: Hey. It’s Hurely….Hugo. I’m sorry I forgot the blankets (Cries). I’m sorry I forgot the blankets.
Libby: (Eyes open - Gurgles) Michael (Final death throws)
Comment 25, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
those tvs took forever
Comment 26, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Keys wrote:
… and then fans watching in the Eastern and Central time zones instantly cursed the screen, gobbled up the previews for next and rushed online to research time machines in the hopes of getting to next Wednesday in a slightly faster manner! :)
Comment 27, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Ahem… make that next week not just next!
Comment 28, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
yea hansofoundation.org isnt coming for me
Comment 29, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
where do you type the code in once your at hanso’s bio page
Comment 30, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Just updates the episode article with some thoughts.
For those looking for webmaze details and hints, look down two articles to this one instead:
lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/alva...
Comment 31, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
RedTaKo wrote:
Yes… it www.sublymonal.com. I can’t figure out what it means.
Comment 32, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
It seems that some new sprite ads have “obey” and “subLYMONal”. I did a quick whois on sublymonal.com and the Domain Servers are at ko.com. If you go to ko.com it will forward you to Coca-Cola’s site. Hmmm… conspiracy?
Peace,
Chris
Comment 33, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
SmileyMe wrote:
I don’t think we’ve learned that the hatch/button is just an experiment. The Others are deceivers. Not-Henry claimed that the hatch was a joke, but he’s quite deceptive, so we can’t take his word for it. The Pearl orientation video also implied that the button is not what Locke believed it to be - but did we ever really think that pushing the button was ’saving the world’ (Desmond)? Nope. I think the true purpose of the button remains to be seen…
Comment 34, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
If you type in Alvar Hanso into the “log in” on the bottom of the Hnso Foundation page, the clock turns into a flickering “OB:AY.” If you click on OBAY, it will tranfer you to the the Sublymonal site.
Comment 35, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
I was kind of disappointed with this ep, honestly.
I mean yes, they found the new hatch. And yes, we found out that they are (were?) being watched from the Pearl. There were some interesting dream sequences. Ana and Libby are officially dead.
Overall I am just… not impressed. I like what they tried to do with this episode, but they didn’t win me over with this one. At this point of the season I expect everything to be kind of WOW and this just wasn’t to me.
Although, I did particularly like the sequence with Hurley and Michael… Hurley talks about how they were going to go on their first date, and Michael honestly looks upset/sorry about what he is done… this show of remorse, to me, says that he is acting against his will and doing something he thinks will protect Walt. He is, obviously, not to be trusted, but I’m really interested to know what his motive is.
And I’m already missing Not Henry and the element he brought into the hatch… I really hope we haven’t seen the last of him.
Who knows, maybe I’ll change my mind about this one after I watch it again, I usually like the episdoes more the second time around.
-Libby
Comment 36, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
OK first time posting because I thought this would be important.
After getting the password from the Sublymonal “Heir Apparent” I went to the hanso site. I first checked the bios could not find anything but then I checked the newsletter. Persephone (or however you spell it) came back and said to call the call center in the tv add. Could this be a hint that the next commercial is going to be a phone number? I think it might.
Comment 37, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Libby wrote:
Libby, I must say I felt similiar. But we must keep in mind that the previous epi was so big on the WOW factor that it would be very hard for them to live up to that every week. If every epi was a WOW we’d be laying on the floor having a conversation with our own brain, which was lying there next to us. HA. The season closer is coming soon. If they wow’d us last week, imagine what the closer will be like.
I am also missing Henry already.By far the most interesting character (and actor) on the show.
As for thoughts, I think the significance to the epi was that the Pearl was abandoned and appeared to be for some time. This took me back to the med hatch, when the girls returned and found it also abandoned. This has led me to believe that either Claire’s memory flashback can’t be trusted or that her flashback was from a much earlier time, and not a flashback to when she was kidnapped on the island. I am having trouble reconciling that with Alex saving her and Claire scratching Danielle, but the med hatch, like the Pearl, seemed like it had been abandoned for years, not just a few weeks.
This leads me to think that the fake beard and clothes were also old. Claire saw a younger Zeke, sans beard, when he was a Dharma worker. Now he is the bearded Zeke (ie a real beard), b/c the experiment has long ended and he and his people have had to turn to the island to survive. The Swan stills gets food drops b/c it is still “operating” but the rest of the hatches don’t. This could play into an alternate timelines theory that some have suggested, but I don’t know how.
SmileyMe: I don’t know what questions they answered, but they certainly opened up more: 1. why were the hatches abandoned? 2. where did Locke’s map end up when he put it in the shoot? 3. are the ferries still around? 4. why two different names for the doctor? 5. will they find Henry? 6. and where’s Desmond? obviously not at the “?”
I was somewhat disappointed by what the “?” turned out to be. Kind of a let down after all the hype and excitement generated by the map discovery. All that work by the mapmaker summed up by the enigmatic “?” in the middle and it turns out: they’re watching us. Kind of blah.
My favorite part (the part when I went “hey, something’s wrong”) was in the dream sequence when Eko was following his brother up the cliff. Anyone elso notice he was limping as he was walking? Of course, it only took a few minutes for us to find out why.
Oh and Libby, uh sorry you like ah died and stuff … dude. (ok that was crass. Hurley’s pain was one of the most touching parts of the episode. Please forgive me, I’m a good person.)
Comment 38, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
I thought this episode was sad but I liked it. It would be hard to do something to match last week so there is that let down too.
Again we see what looks like an abandoned hatch. Are the Losties going in and out of some time warp? (And Michael does look older.) The monitors sure would explain how the Others seem to know what is going on with everyone. There were 9 screens and there are 6 hatches so perhaps there observation points everywhere outside on the island. And If the Others are watching what is going on from the past that is really creepy!
I loved the differences between Locke and Eko (both “men of faith”). John was more cynical this time around although he did get some of the old excitement back while they were opening the hatch. And Eko seems to be in a state of wonder. Me too! Cannot wait for next week!
Comment 39, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Great episode!! I’m going to be posting some thoughts about the Pearl station, and the new Orientation film… but I just wanted to mention something here first.
In the film, the narrator introduces himself as Dr. Mark Wickman (not Whitman). This leads me to believe that Candle and Wickman are both aliases, and we do not know the true identity of this person.
Another interesting connection is this: Wickman (wick being the part of a candle that is lit), Candle, and Chandler are all similar names. Chandler means “candle maker” in Middle English. Whose last name is Chandler, you ask? Why, Cindy, of course. Cindy, the missing F.A.
Here’s TheBigCat’s theory thread for more on this: losttv-forum.com/forum/showthr...
Also, who noticed that “Dr. Wickman” has the use of both arms… Dr. Candle supposedly had one prosthetic arm.
Keep the comments coming, everyone!
Comment 40, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
After seeing first hand what was up in the “Pearl” hatch, I dont get how Eckko could still believe this is all a religious “faith” thing. Isnt it obvious that they are all being manipulated and studied on so many levels- by mortals? I would think that what John and Eckko witnessed in the Pearl is a great reason for our survivors to never have to push that button again! It’s a behavioral experiment that has more to do with being gullible, than having faith!
ANyone agree?
Comment 41, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
if you go to the newsletter and sign up it will tell you to go to the tv ads section and call the call center. Dont see a phone ot call
Comment 42, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
I was trying to gently lead folks over there, hehe… but this is not the right article to be discussing the webmaze stuff in; we have other articles on it further down where you can post your comments, and yes, it goes into SubLYMONal ads, etc etc.
EDIT: Job, after some research, I agree and am changing the name to Wickman (wrote my reasons for why in the caption). Thank you, and the connection to “Chandler” is definitely interesting.
BTW, I was not impressed by “Two for the Road”.. just thought it was too gimmicky (2 major characters shot and eventually died, 1 major character turned evil), and the “bodyguard” angle was just hard to swallow. I personally liked this episode a lot better, though my favorite thus far is still “Lockdown”.
Comment 43, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Guys, I only have time for a quick post, but there are three points that nobody has raised yet:
1. Does “Sublymonal” sound like a drug name to anyone else. One geared towards controling behavior perhaps? Who knows what Desmond et al. have been injecting into their arms…
2. Perhaps pressing the button in the Swan was originally a Skinner-type experiment, yes. But perhaps it became more important after “the incident” and after the computer problems. Also, if it’s connected to food and supply drops, that pretty important too.
3. Did anyone notice that the footage of Ana that was shown in the preview after Two for the Road was missing. The footage showed her prone, on her back and I believe someone was folding her arms across her chest. Am I imagining this?
Later all…keep ruminating…
Dave
Comment 44, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
I was a little disappointed in the whole “It came to me in a dream” angle.
A few questions were answered but, as always, more questions opened up. This show is killing me. I’m dying for answers!
Comment 45, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
I think the real subjects of the observation experiment are the people who were in Pearl. If you look at the map, it is the only section that doesn’t have a line connecting it to any other section, implying it is isolated. My feeling is that the subjects in Pearl are actually being watched AS watchers, as they are basically doing the same crap everyone else is doing. They are being told to write down EVERYTHING they observe, which is it’s own kind of “obey.” And we did see a camera mounted in Pearl pointed to the chairs. What I’m curious and boggled about is the giant magnifying glasses mounted to each viewing chair, as well as the stuff on that tray. It appears to be a cigarette butt, some small rocks, and some kind of crystal powder (salt?). But who knows …
Near the end, as Eckko is telling Locke about his brother, what I thought of was a priest/penitent relationship. Locke, being the first to identify with the “faith” aspects of the Island, is really taking Eckko’s confession. So we have had Fake Henry trying to convince Locke the whole thing is a joke, and we have some dead people trying to pull him back to the faith, as it were. So perhaps the Others (or at least Henry’s group) are operating in opposition to whatever the more spiritual properties of the Island are.
Comment 46, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
And oh yeah, anyone notice that the numbers on the log that Locke prints out don’t seem to be THE numbers?
Comment 47, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
I love that they’re letting Sawyer be human again now, of course I know that after a few episodes of him being nice he’ll suddenly do something incredibly stupid and jackarse-ey. But I like it while it lasts.
Comment 48, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Dave, Ana Lucia was shown on her back with Jack folding her arms over her. I don’t have TIvo so I don’t recall exactly where this scene came, but it was there. Or it might have been Eko doing the arm folding, since there was also a scene of him doing some sort of “rest in peace” ritual. I can’t recall who the arm-folder was.
Comment 49, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Dave wrote:
Forgive me if I am wrong, but the Swan orientation film said the “incident” led to the entering of the numbers at the Swan. There was a time when whatever happened or was occuring at the Swan did not involve the entering of the numbers. Could the Pearl have been built after the other hatches, post-”incident”? Both copyrights on the films are 1980. So if the Swan film was made in 1980 and they now had to enter the number, it suggests the Pearl film was also redone. The Pearl hatch could have served a different purpose pre-incident. Someone had to start watching everybody, although they only had to do it for 3 weeks! What kind of tour of duty is that? Perhaps, if the Pearl observers are watching ALL the hatches, if they watched too long they would start to put 2 and 2 together?
Comment 50, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
ok. on the sublymonal website, click the obey, then click each screen the number of times in the code (4,8,15,16,23,42) the screens turn lime when you do it. Then it gives you the code “heir apparent”. click that, and it brings you to the bios page on hanso. click on the date beneath the pic of alvar, oct 28th 2001, and it says “Notice the grainy picture?” and then, “Could this be anyone else?”, then it brings you to a map of europe. click on all the dates the map has and then persephone writes you saying that the last time alvar was seen was in 2002. Then there is a voice and big bold print saying “Where is alvar hanso” “Does he exist” and “Who is running this thing?” Then it brings you back to the bios page. click on the bio of the doctor. then enter the “heir apparent” password in the box. It brings you to a creepy room with a wheelchair and the creepiest of girls. she is in a hospital gown. she turns around and faces you (she looks like the dead/alive girl from last nights episode!) and then she shows you a document. The document if a Cal Tech one, the school the Dr. went to (it says in his bio) but when you click on it, hand writing say, “Cal tech has no record of this guy. Does he even have a degree? Why does he call himself a doctor? of what? Who is this clown?” and then it brings you back to the bio page…that’s where it ended for me? Anyone get anything different or further?
Comment 51, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
My theory on the button after watching the “?” episode is that I believe entering the code and pushing the “Execute” button keeps the video recorder in each of the hatches activated. It also tells the “Foundation” conducting the “experiment” that someone was still occupying the Swan hatch. All the other hatches have been found by the survivors and looked abandoned for some time except the Swan hatch because Desmond kept pushing the button.
Perhaps the “Others” occupied the other hatches and have simply tired of the experiment and gone off to live/survive on their own. As long as Desmond pushed the button, and now the Oceanic Flight crash survivors push the button, the “experiment” continues, the Swan hatch activities continue to be recorded and supplies keep coming to the island from the “Foundation” keeping everyone alive.
As you will recall from the Pearl Orientation film, all activities are being recorded, and because the Swan hatch has had someone continuously pushing the button, the video cameras have kept recording. SO, somewhere there is a video recording of Michael shooting Ana, Libby and himself and telling “not Henry” to escape.
As soon as Locke and Eko report back about the Pearl hatch they found and about all the hatch activities being recorded on video tape, the survivors will realize that somewhere they can find the tape of what happened when “not Henry” escaped. That somewhere may be the “barracks” mentioned in the Orientation Film and the “barracks” is the place where the “Others” have been living since they gave up on the experiment.
Whether or not Michael will lead them to the “Others” as a trap or to fight for Walt’s return remains to be seen.
Comment 52, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Donyab wrote:
Some good ideas there. Did I miss something that said the cameras were recording though? I took them as live feeds. Plus if they are being recorded, there is no point in having observers record everything they saw b/c, well, it’s being recorded.
As for Locke and Eko telling anybody anything, I don’t know that that will happen. There is no precedence for that. And even if they did tell, it would take the Losties months to even think about going back and checking the recordings. Not to mention, Locke and Jack would have to fight about it for at least 3 episodes.
Oh, at least next time Jack can cry on Sawyer’s shoulder.
Comment 53, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Nothing said the button didnt serve a purpose.
I wonder if those who have been drugged by food/injections are the ones getting the subliminal messages in dreams/visions?
I think the Psychic is a fake but his daughter really can see into the future. via some Darhma vitamins?
Where oh were did desmond go? and how is he after not taking any more shots?
Was the Boat the others used mentioned in the video?
Last but not least could the doctors in the videos be CLONES? or the same man who has come back after traveling through time?
Comment 54, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
jimseas wrote:
Some good ideas there. Did I miss something that said the cameras were recording though? I took them as live feeds. Plus if they are being recorded, there is no point in having observers record everything they saw b/c, well, it’s being recorded.
As for Locke and Eko telling anybody anything, I don’t know that that will happen. There is no precedence for that. And even if they did tell, it would take the Losties months to even think about going back and checking the recordings. Not to mention, Locke and Jack would have to fight about it for at least 3 episodes.
Oh, at least next time Jack can cry on Sawyer’s shoulder.
Dr. Wickman said in the Orientation Film that everything was being recorded. My guess would be that they were told to write down what they saw so that their comments could be compared to see how each interpreted the events they were viewing. All part of the big “experiment” on human behavior.
Locke seems to be getting back his “faith” so maybe he’ll be more willing to share their discovery with the other Losties rather than jockeying for power with Jack. Although you raise a good point about Eko and Locke keeping it to themselves, they all have had their secret discoveries in the past that they didn’t share until they HAD no other choice.
How convenient for the “Others” though; now they’ve got the Losties killing eachother rather than having to do it themselves.
Comment 55, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone notice that when Eko was checking in at the airport he was told he was on Flight 815 at gate 23?? Those numbers sound awfully familiar 8, 15, 23…
Comment 56, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Erica wrote:
um, well thats the plane and number EVERYONE goes to right…?
does anyone think that the pearl is really the question mark”?”. on the blast door map, it showed the pearl as one of the stations. not the big queestion mark
Comment 57, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Hmm Donyab. I usually rewatch on Thursday. I’ll pay real close attention to the Pearl video.
I thought the conversation between Locke and Eko in the Pearl was a real eye-opener when it came to Locke’s opinion of himself. He is constantly back and forth and now appears to be shrugging off the idea that he is anything important.
V, the pearl is listed on the map, with a question mark behind it, as if to indicate the mapmaker was guessing that the pearl would be located in that area. The corresponding hatch is also drawn with broken lines and not solid lines like the swan and the flame.
Which brings us to the “?” in the middle. Does anyone else feel as dumb as I do? I always interpreted the big ? in the circle as the mapmaker saying “what is this or what is here?” When actually, it was just a big question mark on the ground.
Comment 58, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Jimmy Atcha wrote:
I caught that, Jimmy. It was a weird sequence, too. I didn’t have a chance to really study it. I’m going to go back through the Pearl scene and do some pausing.
Comment 59, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Found wrote:
I caught that, Jimmy. It was a weird sequence, too. I didn’t have a chance to really study it. I’m going to go back through the Pearl scene and do some pausing.
There are some good posts on the abc plot boards about the numbers sequence, if you can get on there that is. Just don’t lead anyone back here!! We must keep Andreas blog clean, clutter free, and “good”.
Comment 60, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
jimseas wrote:
I’ll quote myself b/c I’m just adding things I forgot the first time.
Note there is no drug plane on the hatch map. That has always been curious to me and more so since whoever made the map should have realized that there was a crashed plane laying very near the “?”. That could mean that that part of the map was made long before the drug plane crashed.
I also don’t buy Eko’s reasoning that the “?” was a landing site for the plane. A balloon maybe, or a parachute drop. But a plane needs a runway, not a little clearing in the trees.
Comment 61, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Ducky wrote:
its sublymonal.com
Comment 62, posted 2 years, 6 months ago - Quote and reply
Did anyone notice the articles that were very quickly panned across by the camera in the scene where locke and eko first explore the tv room. There was a end table with some things on it taht looked out of