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4 years, 2 months ago by CeciliaRead more: Lost Episodes, Mr.Eko
Tonight’s episode is simply titled “?” and is LOST’s episode 21 of season 2. This week, I’ll be filling in again for Andreas due to his schedule, and leave comments after the show airs. I am watching from EST, so keep that in mind if you are on the West Coast and want to avoid spoilers, because I will be updating shortly after it airs on the East Coast. This is the official description:
Possible Spoiler
Mr. Eko enlists Locke to help find a secret location he believes houses answers to the island’s mysteries. Meanwhile, Jack and the other survivors struggle to cope with the horrific situation in the hatch.
Update:
Now THIS is what I call a really good episode, at least IMHO.
Once again, we have prophetic dreams which send us on a bizarre expedition with the two survivors who have “faith”… but faith that comes from very different perspectives in life. It is interesting to see the contrast between Locke & Eko.
Perhaps the biggest finding is that the ? is in fact Pearl Station (and not C3 or C4). And this whole idea that they are being observed, goes back once again to the Skinner Box concept, brought up by the first orientation film. Locke loses his faith in the button, while Eko’s gets stronger.
And of course, that brings us to a very interesting orientation tape this time. It, like the other, was copyrighted in 1980, and shows the DeGroots. However, instead of Dr. Marvin Candle, we now have Dr. Mark Wickmund* (same-looking guy, except for arm, different name — why?). And at the end… it states that the ferry will carry the subjects back to “the barracks”?? This leads me once again to think of Danielle’s maps from First Season. There were two island-like objects on the south side.
A twist I really liked in this show was of how they tied in a connection between Richard Malkin (Claire’s psychic) and Mr. Eko, as he goes to investigate a “miracle” for the Vatican. The mysterious daughter we meet is strange and brings interesting news, as does Malkin himself (he cons people… and says he’s not really psychic). Also, for those who do the webmaze, doesn’t the daughter remind you of someone else? (In addition to the flickering screens)
The only thing I didn’t like about the whole episode was the weepy dramatic subplot with Libby, will she talk, will she not talk… and of course, her mysterious last word is misinterpreted.
What did you think? Is the psychic lying about not being psychic? Was his daughter’s story one of a real “miracle”? Do you think there is a point to pushing the button anymore? What do you think of the new orientation tape and The Pearl?
*Note: Edited article to show new Orientation tape’s narrator as “Wickmund” rather than “Whitman” or “Wickman”, after a viewer on another site pointed out that the closed captioning stated this. Additionally, a previous spoiler call sheet had showed the actor as playing a “Dr. Waxman”, again along the Candle theme (but may have been changed at the last minute).
Comment 1, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
finally the situation is getting hot … hopefully jack’s not going to cry … ;)
Comment 2, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
He does cry an awful lot, doesn’t he?
Tonight’s episode is to be be Eko-centric, by the sounds of it.
Comment 3, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Hi, I’m french and I just finished the 2×20, when Mickaël kill Ana and Libby. How is the 2×21? Is it true, the last episode during 2 hours? Sorry for my english ;-)
For french people, I found a blog where everything is in french with pictures…
http://guillaumedhy.zevillage.org
See you.
Comment 4, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Hi Cedric,
I like this blog and I’m French too : why do we invade Americans on their websites … ?! Yeah probably the last episode will last two hours but this is just like season one : you probably watched it on French TV that’s why you didn’t notice there were 25 episodes instead on 24 like it should have been.
Take care not to connect tonight because from midnight (Paris time), people here will know everything about next episode, broadcasted on wednesday, whereas we will have to wait for three days before seing it.
cheers.
Comment 5, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
hey dudes i know how sad
rip++++
a.c+
libby+
shannon+
boon+
treefrog+
im cant wait for ? tonight i wonder how badly sawyer will have it for snogging ana and yes i m brittish!!!!
Comment 6, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
lewii wrote:
i wonder if michael will see walt by the end of the season2? also why did sawyer kill that poor treefrog!!!
from britishfreak
Comment 7, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Did anyone catch Jack crying over the treefrog in last week’s ep? So sad…
…and I read somewhere that it was the pilot reincarnated too. That frog might have been the survivors’ only way off the island.
*sniff, sniff* Tragic!
Comment 8, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Holy Crap!! (note: if you haven’t seen the episode don’t read this, I just finished watching it)
It really does seem like the writers are looking at these sites and taking our ideas, we were right about the hatch just being an experiment, and we were right that Libby wasn’t dead yet. Drives me nuts that they gave her the chance to say that Micheal shot her and then killed her two seconds before it got out! Michael’s name has now, in my mind, changed to ‘Stupid Micheal’, he no longer looks guilty, did you see the look he had at the very end of the episode?
Yet another character connection, with Libby, and did anyone else notice that the “Miriacle Girl’s” father was the phsycic that Claire went to?
So glad that they finally gave us some answers instead of just opening up question after question like they’ve been doing for the past weeks or months.
Great episode.
Comment 9, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
did anyone else catch the commercial for the Hanso corp between the other legit commercials mid way through tonights episode, they had a website but i can’t remember the correct spelling something like sublyminal.com
Comment 10, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
my tivo cut off the last part…right when they were giving drugs to Libby and Hurley wanted to talk to her…what happened after than and what do the previews show?
Comment 11, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I saw that commercial…. i can’t figure it out… i’ve type sublyminal 100 different ways.. anyone tivo the commercials??
Comment 12, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
been typing sublymnal for 25 minutes with no luck!!
help us out please
Comment 13, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN TONIGHT’S EPISODE
RE: my tivo cut off the last part…
Hurley goes to Libby. She opens her eyes, utters “Michael” and dies. Surprisingly, we don’t see Jack cry ;-)
I’d tell you previews, but I believe that’s verbotten around here.
Comment 14, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Ducky wrote:
I think it was http://www.sublymonal.com/ … but I’m on dial-up so it’s taking forever to load!
Comment 15, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Keys wrote:
thanks alot!!! okay so they didn’t actually say Michael did this…so it might not happen where he gets in big trouble….
…I am surprised they killer her off…..bc we need to know her story ASAP about her in a mental hospital.
I can’t find the previews part will someone tell me about the preview for next week.
Comment 16, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Ducky wrote:
site was: http://www.sublymonal.com
It is mentioned on the NEWS page of this site… shows rotating flashing boxes… you have to click each one a zillion times until it turns solid, then eventually you will go to a page that tells you the code is Heir Apparent.
Comment 17, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
The website in the commercial is:
http://www.syblymonal.com
Comment 18, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Sorry –
http://www.sublymonal.com
Comment 19, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
It is subLYMONal.com
Comment 20, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
At the sublymonal website, there is a pattern to clicking on the boxes…
You can start with anyone…but before you can move to the next one you have to click each one a certain number of times.
First one is 4…next is 8…15, 16, 23, 42, of course.
Their servers are getting SLAMMED right now, so everything is slow and some things aren’t even loading. After getting through the boxes, you get to a screen that shows a box that flashes: “code: Heir Apparent”.
Clicking down below takes you to the bios page at hansofoundation.org and you can use that Heir Apparent code on one of the profiles… that’s as far as I got before their site stopped working for me.
Comment 21, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Keys wrote:
I hate to be a pain…but if anyone can give any more details about the last minute, it would be great (TiVo cut off too). The last thing I saw was Hurley saying, “Can I talk to her?” and Jack shooting in the heroin? Are we sure she’s dead, or might she have just been knocked out by the drugs? What did Hurley say to her? What was the look Michael gave, referred to above?
And, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with discussing the previews. I mean, that’s what this site is for, right? They’re already been on TV, so it’s not a spoiler…so, please share! :-)
Comment 22, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
She’s dead Jim
Jack closed her vacant, staring eyes. Kate cried, Sawyer held onto her. Final shot was Michael by himself in “Henry’s old room” looking a might bit menacing (Thud…LOST)
Comment 23, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
http://www.sublymonal.com
Comment 24, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Just rewatched for you…
Hurley: Hey. It’s Hurely….Hugo. I’m sorry I forgot the blankets (Cries). I’m sorry I forgot the blankets.
Libby: (Eyes open – Gurgles) Michael (Final death throws)
Comment 25, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
those tvs took forever
Comment 26, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Keys wrote:
… and then fans watching in the Eastern and Central time zones instantly cursed the screen, gobbled up the previews for next and rushed online to research time machines in the hopes of getting to next Wednesday in a slightly faster manner! :)
Comment 27, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Ahem… make that next week not just next!
Comment 28, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
yea hansofoundation.org isnt coming for me
Comment 29, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
where do you type the code in once your at hanso’s bio page
Comment 30, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Just updates the episode article with some thoughts.
For those looking for webmaze details and hints, look down two articles to this one instead:
http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/alvar-hanso-was-never-there
Comment 31, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
RedTaKo wrote:
Yes… it http://www.sublymonal.com. I can’t figure out what it means.
Comment 32, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
It seems that some new sprite ads have “obey” and “subLYMONal”. I did a quick whois on sublymonal.com and the Domain Servers are at ko.com. If you go to ko.com it will forward you to Coca-Cola’s site. Hmmm… conspiracy?
Peace,
Chris
Comment 33, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
SmileyMe wrote:
I don’t think we’ve learned that the hatch/button is just an experiment. The Others are deceivers. Not-Henry claimed that the hatch was a joke, but he’s quite deceptive, so we can’t take his word for it. The Pearl orientation video also implied that the button is not what Locke believed it to be – but did we ever really think that pushing the button was ’saving the world’ (Desmond)? Nope. I think the true purpose of the button remains to be seen…
Comment 34, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
If you type in Alvar Hanso into the “log in” on the bottom of the Hnso Foundation page, the clock turns into a flickering “OB:AY.” If you click on OBAY, it will tranfer you to the the Sublymonal site.
Comment 35, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I was kind of disappointed with this ep, honestly.
I mean yes, they found the new hatch. And yes, we found out that they are (were?) being watched from the Pearl. There were some interesting dream sequences. Ana and Libby are officially dead.
Overall I am just… not impressed. I like what they tried to do with this episode, but they didn’t win me over with this one. At this point of the season I expect everything to be kind of WOW and this just wasn’t to me.
Although, I did particularly like the sequence with Hurley and Michael… Hurley talks about how they were going to go on their first date, and Michael honestly looks upset/sorry about what he is done… this show of remorse, to me, says that he is acting against his will and doing something he thinks will protect Walt. He is, obviously, not to be trusted, but I’m really interested to know what his motive is.
And I’m already missing Not Henry and the element he brought into the hatch… I really hope we haven’t seen the last of him.
Who knows, maybe I’ll change my mind about this one after I watch it again, I usually like the episdoes more the second time around.
-Libby
Comment 36, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
OK first time posting because I thought this would be important.
After getting the password from the Sublymonal “Heir Apparent” I went to the hanso site. I first checked the bios could not find anything but then I checked the newsletter. Persephone (or however you spell it) came back and said to call the call center in the tv add. Could this be a hint that the next commercial is going to be a phone number? I think it might.
Comment 37, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Libby wrote:
Libby, I must say I felt similiar. But we must keep in mind that the previous epi was so big on the WOW factor that it would be very hard for them to live up to that every week. If every epi was a WOW we’d be laying on the floor having a conversation with our own brain, which was lying there next to us. HA. The season closer is coming soon. If they wow’d us last week, imagine what the closer will be like.
I am also missing Henry already.By far the most interesting character (and actor) on the show.
As for thoughts, I think the significance to the epi was that the Pearl was abandoned and appeared to be for some time. This took me back to the med hatch, when the girls returned and found it also abandoned. This has led me to believe that either Claire’s memory flashback can’t be trusted or that her flashback was from a much earlier time, and not a flashback to when she was kidnapped on the island. I am having trouble reconciling that with Alex saving her and Claire scratching Danielle, but the med hatch, like the Pearl, seemed like it had been abandoned for years, not just a few weeks.
This leads me to think that the fake beard and clothes were also old. Claire saw a younger Zeke, sans beard, when he was a Dharma worker. Now he is the bearded Zeke (ie a real beard), b/c the experiment has long ended and he and his people have had to turn to the island to survive. The Swan stills gets food drops b/c it is still “operating” but the rest of the hatches don’t. This could play into an alternate timelines theory that some have suggested, but I don’t know how.
SmileyMe: I don’t know what questions they answered, but they certainly opened up more: 1. why were the hatches abandoned? 2. where did Locke’s map end up when he put it in the shoot? 3. are the ferries still around? 4. why two different names for the doctor? 5. will they find Henry? 6. and where’s Desmond? obviously not at the “?”
I was somewhat disappointed by what the “?” turned out to be. Kind of a let down after all the hype and excitement generated by the map discovery. All that work by the mapmaker summed up by the enigmatic “?” in the middle and it turns out: they’re watching us. Kind of blah.
My favorite part (the part when I went “hey, something’s wrong”) was in the dream sequence when Eko was following his brother up the cliff. Anyone elso notice he was limping as he was walking? Of course, it only took a few minutes for us to find out why.
Oh and Libby, uh sorry you like ah died and stuff … dude. (ok that was crass. Hurley’s pain was one of the most touching parts of the episode. Please forgive me, I’m a good person.)
Comment 38, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I thought this episode was sad but I liked it. It would be hard to do something to match last week so there is that let down too.
Again we see what looks like an abandoned hatch. Are the Losties going in and out of some time warp? (And Michael does look older.) The monitors sure would explain how the Others seem to know what is going on with everyone. There were 9 screens and there are 6 hatches so perhaps there observation points everywhere outside on the island. And If the Others are watching what is going on from the past that is really creepy!
I loved the differences between Locke and Eko (both “men of faith”). John was more cynical this time around although he did get some of the old excitement back while they were opening the hatch. And Eko seems to be in a state of wonder. Me too! Cannot wait for next week!
Comment 39, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Great episode!! I’m going to be posting some thoughts about the Pearl station, and the new Orientation film… but I just wanted to mention something here first.
In the film, the narrator introduces himself as Dr. Mark Wickman (not Whitman). This leads me to believe that Candle and Wickman are both aliases, and we do not know the true identity of this person.
Another interesting connection is this: Wickman (wick being the part of a candle that is lit), Candle, and Chandler are all similar names. Chandler means “candle maker” in Middle English. Whose last name is Chandler, you ask? Why, Cindy, of course. Cindy, the missing F.A.
Here’s TheBigCat’s theory thread for more on this: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19150
Also, who noticed that “Dr. Wickman” has the use of both arms… Dr. Candle supposedly had one prosthetic arm.
Keep the comments coming, everyone!
Comment 40, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
After seeing first hand what was up in the “Pearl” hatch, I dont get how Eckko could still believe this is all a religious “faith” thing. Isnt it obvious that they are all being manipulated and studied on so many levels- by mortals? I would think that what John and Eckko witnessed in the Pearl is a great reason for our survivors to never have to push that button again! It’s a behavioral experiment that has more to do with being gullible, than having faith!
ANyone agree?
Comment 41, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
if you go to the newsletter and sign up it will tell you to go to the tv ads section and call the call center. Dont see a phone ot call
Comment 42, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I was trying to gently lead folks over there, hehe… but this is not the right article to be discussing the webmaze stuff in; we have other articles on it further down where you can post your comments, and yes, it goes into SubLYMONal ads, etc etc.
EDIT: Job, after some research, I agree and am changing the name to Wickman (wrote my reasons for why in the caption). Thank you, and the connection to “Chandler” is definitely interesting.
BTW, I was not impressed by “Two for the Road”.. just thought it was too gimmicky (2 major characters shot and eventually died, 1 major character turned evil), and the “bodyguard” angle was just hard to swallow. I personally liked this episode a lot better, though my favorite thus far is still “Lockdown”.
Comment 43, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Guys, I only have time for a quick post, but there are three points that nobody has raised yet:
1. Does “Sublymonal” sound like a drug name to anyone else. One geared towards controling behavior perhaps? Who knows what Desmond et al. have been injecting into their arms…
2. Perhaps pressing the button in the Swan was originally a Skinner-type experiment, yes. But perhaps it became more important after “the incident” and after the computer problems. Also, if it’s connected to food and supply drops, that pretty important too.
3. Did anyone notice that the footage of Ana that was shown in the preview after Two for the Road was missing. The footage showed her prone, on her back and I believe someone was folding her arms across her chest. Am I imagining this?
Later all…keep ruminating…
Dave
Comment 44, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I was a little disappointed in the whole “It came to me in a dream” angle.
A few questions were answered but, as always, more questions opened up. This show is killing me. I’m dying for answers!
Comment 45, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I think the real subjects of the observation experiment are the people who were in Pearl. If you look at the map, it is the only section that doesn’t have a line connecting it to any other section, implying it is isolated. My feeling is that the subjects in Pearl are actually being watched AS watchers, as they are basically doing the same crap everyone else is doing. They are being told to write down EVERYTHING they observe, which is it’s own kind of “obey.” And we did see a camera mounted in Pearl pointed to the chairs. What I’m curious and boggled about is the giant magnifying glasses mounted to each viewing chair, as well as the stuff on that tray. It appears to be a cigarette butt, some small rocks, and some kind of crystal powder (salt?). But who knows …
Near the end, as Eckko is telling Locke about his brother, what I thought of was a priest/penitent relationship. Locke, being the first to identify with the “faith” aspects of the Island, is really taking Eckko’s confession. So we have had Fake Henry trying to convince Locke the whole thing is a joke, and we have some dead people trying to pull him back to the faith, as it were. So perhaps the Others (or at least Henry’s group) are operating in opposition to whatever the more spiritual properties of the Island are.
Comment 46, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
And oh yeah, anyone notice that the numbers on the log that Locke prints out don’t seem to be THE numbers?
Comment 47, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I love that they’re letting Sawyer be human again now, of course I know that after a few episodes of him being nice he’ll suddenly do something incredibly stupid and jackarse-ey. But I like it while it lasts.
Comment 48, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Dave, Ana Lucia was shown on her back with Jack folding her arms over her. I don’t have TIvo so I don’t recall exactly where this scene came, but it was there. Or it might have been Eko doing the arm folding, since there was also a scene of him doing some sort of “rest in peace” ritual. I can’t recall who the arm-folder was.
Comment 49, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Dave wrote:
Forgive me if I am wrong, but the Swan orientation film said the “incident” led to the entering of the numbers at the Swan. There was a time when whatever happened or was occuring at the Swan did not involve the entering of the numbers. Could the Pearl have been built after the other hatches, post-”incident”? Both copyrights on the films are 1980. So if the Swan film was made in 1980 and they now had to enter the number, it suggests the Pearl film was also redone. The Pearl hatch could have served a different purpose pre-incident. Someone had to start watching everybody, although they only had to do it for 3 weeks! What kind of tour of duty is that? Perhaps, if the Pearl observers are watching ALL the hatches, if they watched too long they would start to put 2 and 2 together?
Comment 50, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
ok. on the sublymonal website, click the obey, then click each screen the number of times in the code (4,8,15,16,23,42) the screens turn lime when you do it. Then it gives you the code “heir apparent”. click that, and it brings you to the bios page on hanso. click on the date beneath the pic of alvar, oct 28th 2001, and it says “Notice the grainy picture?” and then, “Could this be anyone else?”, then it brings you to a map of europe. click on all the dates the map has and then persephone writes you saying that the last time alvar was seen was in 2002. Then there is a voice and big bold print saying “Where is alvar hanso” “Does he exist” and “Who is running this thing?” Then it brings you back to the bios page. click on the bio of the doctor. then enter the “heir apparent” password in the box. It brings you to a creepy room with a wheelchair and the creepiest of girls. she is in a hospital gown. she turns around and faces you (she looks like the dead/alive girl from last nights episode!) and then she shows you a document. The document if a Cal Tech one, the school the Dr. went to (it says in his bio) but when you click on it, hand writing say, “Cal tech has no record of this guy. Does he even have a degree? Why does he call himself a doctor? of what? Who is this clown?” and then it brings you back to the bio page…that’s where it ended for me? Anyone get anything different or further?
Comment 51, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
My theory on the button after watching the “?” episode is that I believe entering the code and pushing the “Execute” button keeps the video recorder in each of the hatches activated. It also tells the “Foundation” conducting the “experiment” that someone was still occupying the Swan hatch. All the other hatches have been found by the survivors and looked abandoned for some time except the Swan hatch because Desmond kept pushing the button.
Perhaps the “Others” occupied the other hatches and have simply tired of the experiment and gone off to live/survive on their own. As long as Desmond pushed the button, and now the Oceanic Flight crash survivors push the button, the “experiment” continues, the Swan hatch activities continue to be recorded and supplies keep coming to the island from the “Foundation” keeping everyone alive.
As you will recall from the Pearl Orientation film, all activities are being recorded, and because the Swan hatch has had someone continuously pushing the button, the video cameras have kept recording. SO, somewhere there is a video recording of Michael shooting Ana, Libby and himself and telling “not Henry” to escape.
As soon as Locke and Eko report back about the Pearl hatch they found and about all the hatch activities being recorded on video tape, the survivors will realize that somewhere they can find the tape of what happened when “not Henry” escaped. That somewhere may be the “barracks” mentioned in the Orientation Film and the “barracks” is the place where the “Others” have been living since they gave up on the experiment.
Whether or not Michael will lead them to the “Others” as a trap or to fight for Walt’s return remains to be seen.
Comment 52, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Donyab wrote:
Some good ideas there. Did I miss something that said the cameras were recording though? I took them as live feeds. Plus if they are being recorded, there is no point in having observers record everything they saw b/c, well, it’s being recorded.
As for Locke and Eko telling anybody anything, I don’t know that that will happen. There is no precedence for that. And even if they did tell, it would take the Losties months to even think about going back and checking the recordings. Not to mention, Locke and Jack would have to fight about it for at least 3 episodes.
Oh, at least next time Jack can cry on Sawyer’s shoulder.
Comment 53, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Nothing said the button didnt serve a purpose.
I wonder if those who have been drugged by food/injections are the ones getting the subliminal messages in dreams/visions?
I think the Psychic is a fake but his daughter really can see into the future. via some Darhma vitamins?
Where oh were did desmond go? and how is he after not taking any more shots?
Was the Boat the others used mentioned in the video?
Last but not least could the doctors in the videos be CLONES? or the same man who has come back after traveling through time?
Comment 54, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
jimseas wrote:
Dr. Wickman said in the Orientation Film that everything was being recorded. My guess would be that they were told to write down what they saw so that their comments could be compared to see how each interpreted the events they were viewing. All part of the big “experiment” on human behavior.
Locke seems to be getting back his “faith” so maybe he’ll be more willing to share their discovery with the other Losties rather than jockeying for power with Jack. Although you raise a good point about Eko and Locke keeping it to themselves, they all have had their secret discoveries in the past that they didn’t share until they HAD no other choice.
How convenient for the “Others” though; now they’ve got the Losties killing eachother rather than having to do it themselves.
Comment 55, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Did anyone notice that when Eko was checking in at the airport he was told he was on Flight 815 at gate 23?? Those numbers sound awfully familiar 8, 15, 23…
Comment 56, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Erica wrote:
um, well thats the plane and number EVERYONE goes to right…?
does anyone think that the pearl is really the question mark”?”. on the blast door map, it showed the pearl as one of the stations. not the big queestion mark
Comment 57, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Hmm Donyab. I usually rewatch on Thursday. I’ll pay real close attention to the Pearl video.
I thought the conversation between Locke and Eko in the Pearl was a real eye-opener when it came to Locke’s opinion of himself. He is constantly back and forth and now appears to be shrugging off the idea that he is anything important.
V, the pearl is listed on the map, with a question mark behind it, as if to indicate the mapmaker was guessing that the pearl would be located in that area. The corresponding hatch is also drawn with broken lines and not solid lines like the swan and the flame.
Which brings us to the “?” in the middle. Does anyone else feel as dumb as I do? I always interpreted the big ? in the circle as the mapmaker saying “what is this or what is here?” When actually, it was just a big question mark on the ground.
Comment 58, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Jimmy Atcha wrote:
I caught that, Jimmy. It was a weird sequence, too. I didn’t have a chance to really study it. I’m going to go back through the Pearl scene and do some pausing.
Comment 59, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Found wrote:
There are some good posts on the abc plot boards about the numbers sequence, if you can get on there that is. Just don’t lead anyone back here!! We must keep Andreas blog clean, clutter free, and “good”.
Comment 60, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
jimseas wrote:
I’ll quote myself b/c I’m just adding things I forgot the first time.
Note there is no drug plane on the hatch map. That has always been curious to me and more so since whoever made the map should have realized that there was a crashed plane laying very near the “?”. That could mean that that part of the map was made long before the drug plane crashed.
I also don’t buy Eko’s reasoning that the “?” was a landing site for the plane. A balloon maybe, or a parachute drop. But a plane needs a runway, not a little clearing in the trees.
Comment 61, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Ducky wrote:
its sublymonal.com
Comment 62, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Did anyone notice the articles that were very quickly panned across by the camera in the scene where locke and eko first explore the tv room. There was a end table with some things on it taht looked out of place but I couldn’t focus in on them. Any one able to do that?
Tex
Comment 63, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
If the Pearl denizens ARE being recorded, then that could validate the theory that someone is watching the watchmen.
The orientation films strike me as nothing more than playing a role. Setting a stage. Much like the MC at a Murder Mystery dinner event, or something like that. “You are here to do this thing, and you MUST NEVER let this other thing happen.” Maybe “the incident” is nothing more than the “shared event” (a la The Island with the installation of clones being raised). The film/videos must look genuine to be believable and cause the subjects to continue as the experiment requires.
I see some people talking about time travel… man, if that’s the case, I’m done. They might as well have Robert Zemeckis guest-direct an episode and have cameos by Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd. They could call Sawyer “butt-head” and stuff.
I’m genuinely afraid that the show is going to jump over that shark with the Dharma tattoo we saw last season. I’m ok with getting answers, but I really prefer the questions.
Hangin’ in there…
Comment 64, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
One of the most boring episodes yet!
Oh well.
Comment 65, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Jimseas- i think the plane was just there so eko could find the hatch. the plane was right on top of it, so it still would form the dot at the bottom of the ?.
I think it would’ve been a little more interesting if they went exploring in the hatch or it showed the others inside a different hatch.
Comment 66, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
V wrote:
Sorry to be soooo stupid…I just hadn’t heard the gate number referenced before.
Comment 67, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
So, I’m Canadian and I don’t have satellite, therefore no ABC, am I missing anything special with these ‘ads’ and phone numbers? My stupid chanel keeps screwing with the time that Lost is on, did anyone catch what happened in the first few minutes?
Comment 68, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Whens the big monster/machine going to come back?
when it does it will be very interesting
Comment 69, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Nothing really new here, probably… It seems like the “Pearl” orientation film shows an earlier version of Candle, having both arms, and without one side of his face being jacked up. I don’t doubt that the original purpose of the “Swan” was some sort of psychological experiment with no outer purpose. However, since the “incident” referenced in the Swan video, the button now has an actual purpose. Don’t know what. The only consequence we’ve seen, maybe, is that if the button isn’t pushed, food gets airdropped. Both things have only happened once so far on the show. Is pushing the button some manner of ensuring that the island remains cut off? It would be consistent with the admonition in the Swan film regarding use of the computer.
Along with Candle’s name being changed at some point, and the Others’ repeatedly stated fear of “him” (Hanso? too easy), it all looks like someone has taken over the experiment and everyone involved in the Dharma initiative, and is using it and them for his own purposes.
On a side note, I think the “subLYMONal” thing is a waste of time. “Obey” probably refers to “obey your thirst”, the Sprite motto. “Heir apparent” often refers to Lebron James, total badass/Sprite salesman.
Comment 70, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Hey,Lewii you wouldn’t happen to be named Lewanna Bersani?Well, if u are then this Taylor!!HA HA Sawyer and Kate cuddled!! SKATE>JATE
Comment 71, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
The numbers on the log Locke printed out are NOT “the” numbers. Take a look (screen grab from the show via abc.com):
http://homepage.mac.com/bronxred/.Pictures/numbers.JPG
Maybe these numbers are from a previous iteration of the experiment?
Comment 72, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Me thinks that each station has their own set of numbers.
Comment 73, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Did anyone mention that the Pearl video was made in 1980???? This means that the island “experiments” were started not that long ago – at least not pre WWII.
Comment 74, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
SpinPapi wrote:
If you look at the numbers on thelog, they’re going up.
ex: 41602081:05 accepted 41602082:53 accepted
but it’s not a regular progression. Could it be some kind of time or date stamp of the numbers being successfully entered into the Swan computer?
Comment 75, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Could the numbers on the print out represent the number of times the button has been pushed, with the last two numbers stamping the seconds remaining on the clock?
Did it seem like the wallpaper in the Pearl was the same as the wallpaper in the coroner’s office?
Comment 76, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Our friendly Lost castmembers, each with his or her particular side-story issue, are in Purgatory. The Island, the “monsters” in the jungle, the hatches, Dharma…these create an environment in which each cast member is shaken out of their old lives and stripped down to the basic instints, and creates a platform for each of them to work out their unresolved issue. If they successfully work out their issue, their time on the Island is done and they pass on (to Heaven? Hell?) The rest of the twists and turns are all static. Fun statick though. Just my opinion.
Comment 77, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
graeme wrote:
I dont know what u r talking about when i click on the date below alvar nothing happens
Comment 78, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
the producers already said that they are not dead.
Also I have to agree with the earlier post about the pearl not being the ? Ecko said that Locks map was not in correct proportion or scale, and John knew it was just from memory.
I don’t see a ? on the ground, I just see a circle, again confirming to me that this is not the ?, in addition to the fact that they never said it was.
The psychic is not telling the truth. I think he knew that his daughter really did die but he must keep the truth a secret for some reason. He claims to be a fraud… kinda odd considering he didn’t have to… and then puting that together with Clair’s experience with him, which must have been around the same time. Either that or after his daughter came back to life, she told him about Clair, or somehow passed her power on.
Comment 79, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
yeah, can we please finally rule out purgatory and the dead theory? the producers have made it clear that’s not what’s going on.
what if the people in the hatches know a fair bit about their previous lives as well? as in, the castaways lives prior to the island. for instance, des was in a hatch (relating to jack), that creepy painting (very similar to thomas, relating to claire), and i agree about the wallpaper in the pearl. if the others know about the people’s history, it makes sense that they can judge them as either “good” or “bad”.
Comment 80, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
OOOOOOOOOOOH MY GOD! This confirms my theory, well only in one experiment, the sociological experiment, the study of 2 people living together, the confinement, the seclusion, the quarantine… All of this just to take an answer from the way we as human interact with each other on determined situations… This was a slow episode but quite good revealing goooooooooood info about what the hell is happening on the island…
Comment 81, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I think that eko will bring jack back to the hatch and the others will be on a different screen. they will have a control panel to remotely move the monster and mr smokey.
maybe the real question mark is the hole that mr smokey tried to drag locke into in the first season
Comment 82, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
well ive been looking through the numbers printed… this is what i found
they are intervals of 108 minutes
they increase every 10 hours 10*108 = 1080 = 10 hours
accourding to my calculations they have been running these tests for more then 47 years
Comment 83, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
if you dont understand what i mean , ill give you an example:
“ex: 41602081:05 accepted 41602082:53 accepted”
take out the last 3 digits
1:05 – 2:53 = 108 minutes (time required to press the button)
the other digits get increased every 10 hours so 4160208 will be 4160209 after 10 hours , so this will give you the number of times that the button has been pressed and the numbers (4,8,15) entered ,and will also give you the amount of time spent.
At the time the printed papper is shown the count is up to 48 years
hope i helped with my post :)
Comment 84, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
did anybody try and put the numbers in as the password on the hanso website?
Comment 85, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Responding to the comments about the producers stating the castaways are not dead……It is a good guess. However, I think a better one is that they are all in a mental hospital and being experimented on as some kind of group hallucination experiment. Think about the characters—–every one of them has some serious mental issues. I bet Jack’s Dad, in fact, is “Puppetmaster” of this charade.
Secondly, for being so smart, these characters are unbelievably dumb. If I were in a hatch in which I could see everything happening somewhere else, and was told it was all being recorded, you bet I would rewind the tape just a bit to see what actually happened when 2 of my friends were shot to death……
Mark
Comment 86, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Ok, since there isn’t a link here yet and I can’t find one in cyberspace, I’m going to record (pun) the Pearl film here for all interested parties:
[opens with music. there are two title screens]
[first]
The Dharma Initiative
5 of 6
Orientation
[second]
(the Pearl symbol)
Orientation – Station 5 – The Pearl
[music ends]
“Hello, I’m Dr. Mark Wickman and this is the orientation film for station 5 of Dharma Initiative. Station 5, or The Pearl, is a monitoring station, where the activities of participants in Dharma Initiative projects can be observed and recorded, not only for posterity but for the ongoing refinement of the Initiative as a whole. As Karen DeGroot herself has written [both DeGroots shown watching a group of people doing jumping jacks, she is writing in a book] ‘Careful observation is the only key to true and complete awareness.’
Your tour of duty in The Pearl will last three weeks and during this time, you and your partner will observe a psychological experiment in progress. Your duty is to observe team members in an other station on the island. These team members are not aware that they are under surveillance or that they are the subjects of an experiment. Working in eight hour shifts, you and your partner will record everything you observe in the notebooks we’ve provided.[gestures to notebooks laying on desks]
What is the nature of the experiment you might ask? What do the subjects believe they are accomplishing as they struggle to fulfill their tasks? You as the observer don’t need to know. All you need to know is the subjects believe their job is of the utmost importance.
Remember, everything that occurs, no matter how minute or seemingly unimportant, must be recorded. Each time a notebook is filled with the fruits of your diligent observation, roll it up [static and picture goes somewhat fuzzy for approx one and a half secs. with a very quick flash of complete black screen]… one of the containers provided. Then simply place the container in the pneumatic tube and presto, it will be transported directly to us. [demonstrates while speaking]
At the end of your eight hour shift, proceed to the Pala [I spelled it as it sounds] ferry which will take you to the barracks [static and picture goes fuzzy again with another black screen flash - through this it sounds like he says "to prepare you for your next"]
[music begins] On behalf of the DeGroots, Alvar Hanso, and all of us here at the Dharma Initiative, thank you. Namaste [folds hands and nods head] and good luck.”
[black screen with following writing in bottom left]
The Hanso Foundation
1980 All Rights Reserved
Here are some general observations:
-appears to be a Betamax tape. The top has the Pearl symbol and “Orientation” and “Orientation” is also on the spine.
-it was not hidden like the Swan tape. Eko finds it in a busted cabinet laying on a shelf.
-the doctor is dressed casually. No lab coat or tie. He uses both arms and hands.
-it appears to have been made in the Pearl. The computer and printer can be seen in the backround during the pneumatic tube demonstration. The two chairs are also seen in another part with the containers stacked neatly on a desk behind the doctor.
-In all of the shots with the tv screens in the backround, they all have the Pearl symbol on the screen, EXCEPT for one shot. That shot shows an interior view of something on the upper LEFT screen (the rest still have the symbol). There is then a pan back by the camera. We see Locke and Eko watching the film. The film is playing in the MIDDLE screen of the MIDDLE row and the Swan interior is showing on the upper RIGHT screen.
-the backrounds of the Pearl switch too quickly as the doctor speaks for it to be one continuous film.
Personally, my favorite part was the doctor’s quoting of Karen DeGroot: “Careful observation is the only key to true and complete awareness.” HA – amen Karen, amen.
Comment 87, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
-the blair- wrote:
When I watched the first time, I saw a circle. When I rewatched and rewinded and rewatched again tonight, I can see a question mark quite clearly, with the plane lying directly on the dot at the bottom. But then again, it’s like two people witnessing an accident. You see one thing and I see another.
Based on Eko’s dream and the title of the episode itself, I believe that “they” did say it was the “?”
Comment 88, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
helder wrote:
yeah… i pretty much figured that’s what was going on, i’m surprised you were the first to mention it on here… but nice work with all the math. 47 years? goodness.
also, if it were me, i would be trying to figure out where that sucky-tubey-thing leads. you know what i’m saying? i don’t know what the word for it is, but Locke stuck his note in it… yeah, that’s what i’d like to know.
Comment 89, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I was very hopeful that there would be a video recording of the shooting somewhere in the Pearl, myself, but I am doubtful that will be the case. The “recording” that is mentioned in the Pearl orientation video is probably just referring to good old pen and ink record keeping. That’s what the notebooks are for. Not to say that they aren’t being recorded elsewhere, or that they couldn’t in fact make recordings in the Pearl, but then there would be a stockpile of tapes left behind, right? And note that the middle screen of the middle column of screens was “on” when they walked in, and that was the screen that the Orientation video played on when they put it in the (very dusty old) machine, not the screen that the Swan hatch was viewed on. The machine wasn’t hooked up to record.
Comment 90, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Libby wrote:
Comment 91, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
man, I just messed up with the quoting thing. Sorry. That was me saying the last part.
Comment 92, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Helder,
Do the numbers increase every 10 hours or every 10 iterations? (10*108 minutes = 1080 minutes = 18 hours, not 10 hours.)
Comment 93, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1064&pos=333
screencap of what Eko sees from the top of the cliff.
Comment 94, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Karen wrote:
I do. I think that the Dharma people (or whoever is running the island these days) are using Eko’s guilt over his brother’s death to manipulate him. I think that the “dreams” (and the other “visions” that people have been having) are deliberate constructions.
Comment 95, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Karen LH wrote:
The two of you make my brain hurt more than the show. No matter how hard I try I can’t get to 47 years. If this is iterations than you would have to add a “0″ to the end of the number to account for the ten. So, 41602090 x 108 minutes for each iteration = 4,493,025,720 minutes, divided by 60 = 74,883,762 hours, divided by 24 = 3,120,156 days divided by 365 = 8548 years.
OR
if we take the number as hours, you would still need to add the final zero to account for the ten. So 41602090 divided by 24 = 1,733,420 days, divided by 365 = 4749 years.
What am I missing. Am I not understanding? would it make sense if the first 5 characters are a date stamp, like 4.16.02? Don’t ask me to do the math for that one – LOL
Comment 96, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Karen LH wrote:
i mean 10 iterations… sorry :)
Comment 97, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
“‘Careful observation is the only key to true and complete awareness.’
What if the losties have been part of the Dharma their whole lives? What if THEY were being observed…In that they all have connections to eachother AND to dharma. Their lives have been observed and manipulated by people who are in bed with the dharma thing (Desmond, the real Henry Gale, The psychic, Jack’s Dad maybe, etc etc) and at a point in all of their lives, they were faced with making a decision that is “good” or “bad”. The reason the OTHERS know which people are bad or good is because they have been observed their whole gosh darn lives! I don’t know how this actually works, cause we don’t know all the info, but i could see it going this way.
Also, could there be more than one group of others? could there be dirty scrappy jungle ones, and a set of scientists running the show? And the scientists, or whomever, when they have to walk about on the isladn, use the makeup and costumes as to blend in or for some reason we don’t know yet?
I just feel like they wouldn’t have made such a big deal about observing people if it wasn’t important, and it seems, based on every weird thing with all the characters and their pasts, that a “we’ve always been watching you” revelation might be in the works…..
Comment 98, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
yo…new poster
“Station 5, or The Pearl, is a monitoring station, where the activities of participants in Dharma Initiative PROJECTS….”
- would the plural use of the word project indicate that each hatch was the site of a unique experiment? if so, does that change anything?
- a note: the quick view of the camera in the corner of the pearl could be there to “watch the watchers” OR it could be there to make the watchers believe they’re being watched. remember that in the orientation video the ol’ doc said that everyone was unaware of the surveillance. that being said, was the camera out in the open inside the pearl as a dummy…or was it simply out in the open because the watchers were obiously aware that this could be a possibility. again, would that make it wise or even reasonable NOT to hide one inside the pearl regaurdless (it’s not far fetched to thinkt he watchers were above being watched). — i think there’s something here.
- locke sends his map up the tube. seems to me that the people on the other end are still there, wherever that is (the barracks i suppose…but again, wherever that is). no suction tube, pneumatic or otherwise would still be working like that after 47 years unless there was upkeep on it to ensure this. also – why the heck would locke just nonchelantly let his map go flying up the tube? he deffinitely let it go willingly…and i know he probably didn’t want it anymore, but wouldn’t the thought cross his mind that he may NOT want to send a random peice of paper with a rough sketch of the whole campus through a mysterious suction-pipe to this wierd doctor…”they will be sent directly to us”. also #2 – this place the notebooks were being shot away to can’t be that far…those things would be fairly heavy and in order to take them any distance at all there would have to be a decent amount of intake being created by something. going a long(er) distance would be pretty rough.
- lastly, the log sheets. interesting that eckko took them. any possibility that the conversation michael had with walt is logged there somehow? maybe not the conversation…but something noting foreign keys being typed outside of the “numbers”. they weren’t supposed to try to contact outsiders or use it for anything else. a “log sheet” may show this distubance somehow. otherwise…why did eckko take them?
that’s all for now. if someone could comment on all of these things i’d be siked. i’m pumped up to continue posting and collaborating ideas with everyone here. this is by far the best forum for discussion.
Comment 99, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Karen LH wrote:
IF Eko is being manipulated by the Dharma’s with his brothers death, does that explain what the psychics daughter said to him in the airport?
And why is it that she never really seems to look at anyone? She kind of looks spaced out.
Does anyone wonder who is watrching the camera that is pointed at the monitoring station in the pearl? Probably the same place the tubes go.
Anyway, the finale sounds pretty awesome. GO DESMOND!
Comment 100, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
correction: about the watchers being watched i meant to type –
“it’s not far fetched to think that the watcher’s (in the pearl) would believe they were above being watched”
…since THEY are supposed to be doing the watching.
just seems weird that camera was out in the open like that.
Comment 101, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Hey… haven’t gotten a chance to read all these great replies yet, and probably will reply to some more later.
But just wanted to post a quick thanks to jimseas for providing us with the transcripts of the Pearl Station Orientation Tape. Two small corrections: I’ve gotten it from closed captions that the name is WickMUND, so I must now change it yet again. Also, I’ve been told by video producers that the tape is not betamax, but rather an older type that even precedes beta, called U-matic (there’s an article in wikipedia if anyone wants to learn more).
OK, I’m out for now, will comment more later.
Comment 102, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
lewii wrote:
omg i love lost so much and tay if ur reading thiz than i must be crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hope jack and kate will fall in love and they will dump sawyer aka
jate! j=jack and ate =kate
Comment 103, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
camy wrote:
libby died for youre info! rip libby+
Comment 104, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Hey guys, I’m back again. Thanks to Cecilia for once again doing a great job covering this weeks Lost episode.
I’ve got a cold and am pretty tired, but I’ve read all your comments and found some very interesting observations. Like someone said, the fact that Marvin Candle appeared under another name could point to him being a made up character acting only as a source of information to set up a sort of role-playing game.
Even if I’ve always agreed with the theories stating that the hatch is, or used to be a skinner box and a social experiment, I’m not sure if the information in the new orientation tape should be believed. To me it seems like the persons stationed in the Pearl station are part of an identical experiment as the persons station in the Swan. Both teams are given a repetitive task and are told to keep doing it and stay focused on their assignment, the only real difference is that the persons in Pearl are meant to be aware of other experiments.
What if the content of the monitors was pre-recorded and there was nu purpose to mission of the persons station in the Pearl, except for monitoring how long they would carry on with their assignment.
Anyway, a lot of things to talk about but I need to get some sleep so I will probably comment a bit more tomorrow or even write a couple of posts.
Comment 105, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Hey Lewii OMG I cant wait 4 next ep.
I have no idea if what you said is from a preview for the next episode, but since you said so and also acknowledged that you where going against the guidelines, I took the liberty to edit your comment – Andreas
Comment 106, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I don’t think The Others are manipulating their dreams and/or visions. It seemed to me that Fake Henry wanted to stop John from pushing the button, when he said that ‘nothing happened’ yet all the visions of people, Anna, Ecko’s brother, and also Walts reverse warning in the first episode – “Push the button. No button’s bad.” – (or at least that is what I have gotten from it when I reversed the footage) tell them that the pushing of the button is of utmost importance.
and I still don’t think that the marking on the ground was the ?
jimseas wrote:
but see for yourself.
on the hatch map, there was not too large of a distance between the entrance to The Pearl and the ?, and the ? is not specific, there is a large circle with a big ? in the middle, not much is known about it.
Comment 107, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I really love this blog, have been visiting for several months. The editors’ monitoring of comments is greatly appreciated – I don’t want to know what’s going to happen until it does. A lot of great theories going around, makes one think.
Comment 108, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I also tried to figure out whether the Pearl referred to on the map could also be the “?”. Whenever something on LOST does not feel right it usually is not. Also, I think the cig butt in the Pearl would imply that someone visits regularly. In fact, someone must continue to mark the Pearl hatch with salt so the vegetation does not grow and it will remain accessible. It really did open as if it is used regularly.
Funny but having found this hatch got me thiking of the little clues that were left in the other hatches, like the costumes in the Staff and the glass eye in the Arrow. I agree that the folks who made the videos must be play-acting to set up their subjects so that experiments can be conducted so all the experiments may be bogus attempts to recruit the correct type of people (for some utopian, perfect society?). I am still leaning towards the theory that the original subjects eventually got wise and/or the scientists were compromised. But there is something that nags me about the badly neglected appearance of all the hatches and the fact they remain operational(except for Claire’s recollection – was it really all drugs?). Guess I will be watching some old episodes this weekend!
Comment 109, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
SmileyMe wrote:
i know it agrrivates me too i could die because i love jack and i have been listening and belivin that the button wasnt that important i just really do think tht the writters do read his crap…….well bii
Comment 110, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
So we have a STICK (the Staff), a CANDLE, a WICKmund, and a FLAME.
A candlestick to support the candle that supports the wick that is lit by the flame.
I know, I’m reaching. But it was fun.
Comment 111, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I am still unclear about the timing on the print-out. If you fill in the missing times it could be adding 108 minutes with each acceptance, but that indicates over 4,000 years. How did you determine that every ten hours there is an increase? (my eyes are awful!) Still 48 years on top of 1980 puts us at 2028. Hmmmm! There is that timing stuff again.
Other observations after looking at TIVO again:
Eko mentions they drew a circle so it would be seen from the air so maybe it IS a circle and the “?” is yet to be discovered.
Eko tells John they are being tested. Wasn’t that John’s line last year?
Is the logo on the computer in Pearl the Swan? It does not appear to be a pearl.
There appears to be a lit cigarette (you can see smoke) on the chair next to Candle/Wickmund when he is talking about the log books. Or is that some sort of wrinkle or flash?
What are the huge magnifiers for? Are the folks writing in the logs as blind as I am? (Could they be older people or have something wrong with their eyes? Where do they sleep?
There was dust everywhere – from the plane crash? So there must be another entrance as in the Swan.
The video states they would be observing a psych experiment (singular). But the screens are numbered. Does that mean the feed is numerous cameras in Swan?
There was a distinct humming in both hatches in this episode more in the Swan than the Pearl.
Loving everyone’s ideas and comments. Tis blog is one of the best for thoughtful analysis and comments. Thanks guys!
Comment 112, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
it all reminds a tiny bit of the truman show, doesn’t it?
Comment 113, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Jay wrote:
that last three digits looks like the time it was pressed maybe..and if you check on the numbers in order, it looks like they were pressed every one hour and 48 minutes…not 108 minutes which is one hour and 28 minutes…wierd???
Comment 114, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
James wrote:
It’s starting to isn’t it? But this show is about 1000 times weirder.
Comment 115, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
RJ wrote:
I agree. The numbers are to be entered every 108 minutes. A time stamp recognizing that would be “1:48″ not “1:08,” which is only 68 minutes.
And by the way, do I remember correctly that the guy in the Pearl Orientation film never said exactly WHAT the experiment was they were to be observing? Just because Locke happened to find ONE monitor that showed the Swan does not mean conclusively the Pearl was watching the Swan experiment.
ALTHOUGH, I do believe all the experiments somehow hook into one another like Locke’s MOUSETRAP game from his flashback. The button gets pressed in Swan, which triggers something else to happen in another location which triggers another event else where with the whole thing coming back to the Swan 108 minutes later to start the run again.
Comment 116, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Some screencaps courtesy of lostmedia:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1064&pos=312
Is this guy a liar? He says he’s a fake. This makes Eko end the investigation and that means he can now travel to LA on flight 815. This same guy bought Claire her ticket on 815 after he took a “reading” on her.
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1064&pos=402
Wire’s dangling from the ceiling? A chuck of concrete (or maybe black rock?) on the floor? Was the Pearl abandoned or destroyed?
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1064&pos=410
the numeric sequence. Of course, no two in order are shown!!
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1064&pos=435
A clip from the film that show the monitor behind Dr. Wickmund.
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1064&pos=435
a logo on the shirts?
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1064&pos=495
notice the ceiling again.
Comment 117, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
SpinPapi has a better screencap of the number printout than the one I got at lostmedia.See further up in the posts.
Comment 118, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Sorry, the logo on the shirts link is the same as the one above it.
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1064&pos=427
This one should work.
Comment 119, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
More on the printout –
If you drop the first 3 digits from the numbers on the printout the remaining digits indicate that 68 days have past. According to LostPedia they crashed 68 days ago.
Comment 120, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Has anyone else noticed on the hanso website the joops corner? It allows you to send a message to joop. When you do, 20 -30 seconds latter you will notice that the video cam picture of joop the orrangutan will fade out and you can see a mans face for a couple of frames. Its weird. I cant recognize him. Has anyone else seen this? Has anyone got the password that persephone asks for when you try to sign up for the newsletter?
Comment 121, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
geez, it’s good to be drawn into a show like this, eh.
just random speculation here. there’s been a fair bit of “supernatural” going-ons outside of the hatch – such as shannon seeing walt, the dream squences with charlie, locke, eko. inside the hatch, the only “supernatural” thing seems to be walt contacting mike on the computer (i wouldn’t count desmond’s appearance as supernatural, more as twisted coincidence).
d’you reckon michael “imagined” it happening? nobody else saw it happen except him. you know, old michael’s been under a fair bit of stress, starts imaginin’ things. kind of like hurley, except michael’s more unhinged and just takes off.
or, more speculation on the walt-email event: it’s actually “the others”, contacting mike from another location; this results in his blackmail – the others now controlling a pawn. the problem with this theory is that walt’s chatlogs occurred before the castaways knew of faux-henry gale’s existence. unless “the others” can see the future (something i’m not prepared to deny just yet – it would account for a lot), the only reason for doing so would be to have someone they can use to do their dirty work. a pawn!
if this is the case, then mr. friendly’s talk of a territorial truce is nothing but hot air. they tricked michael into going wherever he went, causing jack, locke, sawyer and kate to have the nasty encounter they did.
it’s keeping me up at night – men with fake beards, ethan a doctor – but i love it.
Comment 122, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Am I missing something, or is there a big time discrepancy with Libby and the shooting?
Okay first, it’s the middle of the day when Libby and Hurley are on their picnic, and she says she’ll go to the hatch to get some blankets. Then, she gets shot. Meanwhile, Sayer tells Jack, John, and Kate that Anna Lucia had the gun. This was also in the daytime. They run (I presume they run) to the hatch to keep Anna from shooting fakeHenry, and all the sudden it’s dark, like pitch-black. Michael says the shooting was about 20 minutes or half hour ago, if I remember right. How did it get dark so quick? I’m presuming Michael is telling the truth about when it happened, because he knows Jack would be able to tell how fresh the wounds were.
Then, Hurley never comes looking for Libby at the Hatch. The next time we see him, it’s light, so it must be the next day, and he’s like, “Anyone seen Libby?” He knew she went to the hatch. Why wasn’t he worried about her or go try to find her?
To me, this doesn’t seem like a weird interesting Lost mystery, it seems like a discrepancy in the writing/directing. Anyone have any ideas, or am I missing something?
Comment 123, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
PapaSkunk wrote:
Good ideas in this whole post but these parts bother me the most. I mean, Hurley’s kind of kooky, but that’s a long time to wait.
Could it be that the island has unusually short nights? We all know the polar regions have extended daytime and nightime depending on the time of year, so are there places in the world in which night might last 4 hours for instance? This would not have to be compatible with the South Pacific, as the daytime/nightime cycle may be a clue that they are NOT in the South Pacific, which is where they think they most likely are.
That’s not to say that a 4-hour nighttime would completely solve the issues raised in the above post, but this is not the first time these questions of day/night cycle has come up. But it would make a lot of things make more sense.
Comment 124, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
jimseas wrote:
I used to live near the Arctic Circle in Finland. Summer nights aren’t really like that. Dusk is long and drawn out. On the shortest nights, it will feel like it’s evening for hours. I just can’t imagine a place where it goes from mid-day to pitch black in less than half an hour. No, not in the polar regions, at least.
Comment 125, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
The timing is an interesting point I have been trying to reconcile as well. Even after watching several times. I do not get it. It would be interesting to know the tide situation. Could the island be moving???
Comment 126, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Lesley wrote:
Or could it be located in outer space and thus have a different night/day pattern because of how fast it rotates and how close it is to the sun? I speculated a bit about this in the post Desmond and The Bernal Sphere. Right now, it really feels like I was on to something!
Even if the island being located in space feels a bit extreme, the connections between Bernal’s books about a better world and The Hanso Foundation’s various projects for a better world are a bit scary.
Comment 127, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Didn’t the plane fall when Boone was in it, so it was not always in that spot, and Desmond probably never even saw it.
I think that the island is an experiment not in someone’s head and not purgatory. But just scientists experimenting just like it has been stated on the Hanso website. Doesn’t that make it just as exciting. It would explain all the weird things, polar bear, voices in the jungle, tattooed shark and skinner experiments.
Comment 128, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
+nate wrote:
Hey Nate. There is a theory that pushing the button does something to set off a chain reaction in the various stations. Someone quoted Michael recently as saying angrily to Jack (?) “Do you know what happens every time you press that button? Huh?” implying that Michael knows, and it’s bad. LOL. The Pearl station orientation video makes no mention of the other hatches, however. Then what are those other monitors for? And why didn’t they turn them ALL on? Sheesh! I wonder how many orientation videos/films we’ll get to see…and whether any of them will be on DVD…
+nate wrote:
Maybe, but sometimes they make you think TOO hard. I and others responded to this from your other post at So Who Watches the Watchers? Take a look over there. =]
+nate wrote:
Yeah this was a *REALLY* loaded action on his part, and you bring up a few interesting things that make me ask even more questions (sorry!) like: Is the “?” really where the central command for the complex is stationed? Locke and Eko didn’t seem to go far to get to Pearl Station, and I think most of us are in agreement now Pearl is not “?”. But maybe “?” is where his map went, and if so, then what kinda freaky reaction shot are we missing on the face of whomever receives that piece of paper? Hopefully it’s something we’ll get to see this or next week. Could be the thing that sets off a showdown w/the others.
But I think Locke was in such a foul mood about himself he WASN’T really thinking about the consequences. Didn’t seem to care about too much when he was venting to Eko. Pearl station must be kept up well in order for all the monitors to work, as well as the videotape deck. I think the damage to the ceiling, dust and debris all around, is from the plane hitting right above the hatch when it fell.
+nate wrote:
I’d like to know about that Michael/Walt convo too. (Didn’t notice that Eko took the logs. Interesting…) What if Walt was in Pearl station when he and Michael chatted? There’s a computer in the corner. Looks like an Apple II…same as what they have in the Swan. I at first assumed it was someone pretending to BE Walt, or just Michael’s imagination, but the producers have expressed their desire for maximum dramatic impact, and although pretending to be Walt to lure Michael is surely a compelling idea, Walt actually sitting at the computer doing the typing (coerced or not) would be much more exciting to see.
I agree, Nate, this is the best forum for discussion. It’s lighter, cleaner, simpler…and a great bunch of people coming together here. Enjoy!
Comment 129, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Steve wrote:
Umm…maybe cuz she was DEAD?!? Hehe. Just kiddin. Although I do think that’s the effect they’re goin for. Tryin to keep us wonderin.
Can someone please explain to me Eko’s insistence that pushing the button is even MORE important now? Is he just saying it’s meaningful to him because of how his brother ended up there and so, of course, there has to be some meaning to that? Is he just going to turn out to be wrong? Is it just an effort to keep US believing in the button, only for them to *smash* our faith in a future episode?
I understood why it was important to HIM, but not why he’d think pushing the button saved lives or something, if he even thinks that. I’m so confused…
Comment 130, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
I got the impression that because Eko saw his brother, Locke saw his brother, and his brother assisted in the finding of the Pearl Eko does not need a reason to push the button. Yemi says in the dream that the work being done in the hatch is important so Eko believes it on faith. Doesn’t Eko say they push the button not because they are told to, but because it is what should be done (paraphrasing)? Eko’s reasoning must is based entirely on faith – especially after seeing inside the Pearl. I think Eko believes he will find more reasons once he looks through the paperwork he has gathered. Locke, for the moment anyway, seems to have lost his faith.
Comment 131, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Andreas, thanks for reminder about the Bernal sphere, I had completely forgotten. And it makes some sense for sure!
Comment 132, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
this isnt necissarly about this topic but did any one else here something about on some lost website (i think it was oceanic-air.com?) i said Jacks baggage claim ticket date was for September 2, 2009?
2009? does that have something do with time travel.
just wondering here
not trying to be rude but i didnt know where to post this and i just wanted to see if anyone else could varify this, because if its true….well it think it would be interesting
Comment 133, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
ok this is a little interesting and thought i need to share it with everyone here…i went to the oceanic-air.com website, and i am sure everyong has visited it before. on the side there is a supposed message from the chairman of the company apologizing about the closure of the company. if you try to highligh it, a message appears under it and it says the following (i copied and pasted it):
I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents.
i tried it a couple of times and it kept doing it, there seems to be more but i cannot make what it says or copy and paste it like this one…tell me what you think this means…very wierd how it would show up on the supposed flight company xwebsite…any thoughts?
Comment 134, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
There is a second message on the oceanic-air site. It says “If anyone should find this message, please get word I’m alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they’re getting worse…Sally.” You can see a little of the message peeking out from the top right.
I don’t remember a Sally. Who is she?
Comment 135, posted 4 years, 2 months ago -
Hi There
you may be interested in this site i found
it seems everyone in the world cant help themselves by not allowing the clock to countdown to 000:00
i found it on http://www.10800.org/
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